WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:08.759 It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:23.239 day. Now here's Nick Coffee. I've kept up with the NBA Finals. 3 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.800 I kept up with the Eastern Conference finals in the Western Conference finals, you 4 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:31.480 know enough. I mean, I wasn't watching intently, but last night I 5 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:34.600 watched. The second half looked as if the Mavericks were going to be able 6 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:39.079 to get back on track, only for a huge run from from Boston to 7 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.520 uh to kind of burying. But then again, they even made a late 8 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:46.359 run to where it felt like they had a chance to potentially to potentially tie 9 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:50.520 it up. But what I'm getting at is I would watch. I would. 10 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:55.320 I would, I would. It would be appointment viewing for me if 11 00:00:55.439 --> 00:01:02.799 every game we got to hear Brian Winhurst just completely bought bag players like he 12 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.760 did Luka Doncic last night. Like I don't have a strong opinion on Luka 13 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:10.200 Doncik because you know, I just I don't. I don't. I'm not 14 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:11.319 a huge fan, Like I don't. You know, I'm not not a 15 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.640 Mavericks fan. I don't. I don't. I don't root for the guy, 16 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:19.000 but I don't really dislike him. But lately, I find myself one 17 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:21.879 acknowledging how talented he is. I mean, I've known that since day one, 18 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:23.239 since he got to the league. He's a special, special player. 19 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.400 But he kind of seems like really unlikable and I don't feel like he used 20 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.959 to be that way, and I don't really want him to be to be 21 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:36.760 that way he's been. Yeah, Like, I'm sure he's not a terrible 22 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.799 person. I mean, I don't know that. I don't know him. 23 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.840 But when he screamed at the bench last night after he picked up that foul 24 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:47.239 that was a foul because he can't he can't defend with that fouling. He's 25 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:51.280 a terrible defender, yes, but him screaming at the bench as if it's 26 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.159 there, I mean, he just kind of looks like a little brad and 27 00:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.319 I don't feel like he used to have that kind of demeanor. I don't 28 00:01:57.319 --> 00:01:57.920 know what it is. I don't know if he's you know, getting if 29 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.879 he's feeling himself, if he's getting an ego or what it is, but 30 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:05.920 you know, just the way he carries himself, he just kind of seems 31 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:08.000 like somebody that I that I find out, I think it's hard to like 32 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.240 him. I think he's a hell of a player, although I think he 33 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:15.280 has been exposed in these play in these uh not just this series, but 34 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:19.879 the playoffs, because again, the talent's there from an offensive standpoint, but 35 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.319 when it comes to defense, there's two conversations. One, I don't think 36 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:25.479 anybody would tell you that when it comes to his physical attributes that like def 37 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:30.520 like he has the he doesn't have the lateral quickness, you know, he 38 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.759 doesn't have intangibles and really even I'm trying to think of another word way to 39 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.599 describe it, but he is not athletically gifted enough to where he's just gonna 40 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:42.319 be able to lock in and defend some of the best players on the planet, 41 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:44.840 you know, which happened to play in the NBA. But he also 42 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:46.960 doesn't try. And that's what really stands out to me. You can be 43 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:52.360 a poor defender and even be slow and kind of know how to make up 44 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:53.719 for that, right Like, if you've got a weakness, it's gonna be 45 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.960 tough at times for people to not expose it. But this is one of 46 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.080 the best players on the planet, meaning Luca. As far as skill, 47 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:02.759 maybe that's a stretch to say, because again I don't know if you can 48 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:06.360 claim you're one of the best ever, maybe not the best of all time. 49 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:07.319 But you know, he's clearly one of the best players in the NBA. 50 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.800 But he's so bad defensively. But there are other guys who you wouldn't 51 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.960 say defense is their strength, but they just I mean, it looks as 52 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.719 if he doesn't even try to defend because he knows he's bad. And then 53 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:20.280 whenever he fouls, he complains to the refs. And look, he's not 54 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.879 the only NBA star that will find themselves, you know, complaining to the 55 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.759 refs, But he just does it in a way to where I feel like 56 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.400 he's being a little brat, and you know, maybe he needs to mature 57 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.039 because he is still relatively young. I mean, he was drafted what at 58 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:36.919 eighteen, nineteen years old or something like that. But did you hear what 59 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:38.960 Winhurst said after the game last night? Yeah, they put him on He 60 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.479 put it on a grill. If we're gonna get Brian Winhurst just body bagging 61 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.879 a player after each and every NBA game, that would increase viewership. That 62 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.960 would increase I mean, I mean, guess if it's after the game, 63 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.000 then maybe they're watching afterwards. But the most entertaining thing I saw last night 64 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:55.319 was was this, I mean, just to complain. I mean, he 65 00:03:55.360 --> 00:04:00.400 did it. It's he did it respectfully. He did it, you know, 66 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:04.280 professionally. He didn't do the windhorse hands. Yeah, that's an iconic 67 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:08.240 meme that will never go away. But here's here is what he had to 68 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:12.280 say about Luka Doncik last night that I just I mean, I was almost 69 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:14.560 in disbelief thinking like, did he really just say? Because you don't you 70 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.279 don't hear that. You don't hear this very often you don't hear, and 71 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:20.800 especially from a guy who's not necessarily known for being the shock value guy like 72 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.720 steven Ao. Just yell, And that's just kind of what he does. 73 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:27.639 By the way, I love stephen A before I play this, Are you 74 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:32.079 steven A guy? I don't mind him. So I think he is in 75 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:38.560 his own lane when it comes to sports media because he's an entertainer, ladies 76 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:43.000 and gentlemen. He is not technically an analyst. When's the last time you 77 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:48.000 heard steven A breaking down basketball when it comes to strategy x's and o's. 78 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.680 And I'm not to say he can't do it, but steven A Smith is 79 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:54.920 paid and then sad amount of money because he's polarizing. People either love him 80 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:57.480 or hate him. Yeah, and they and they hate watch. But he 81 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:00.560 is an entertainer, he is a character, and I just think that there's 82 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:02.800 value in that because at the end of the day, this is entertainment. 83 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.319 I don't take what he says all that serious. A tomes he does make 84 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.959 good points. I think he's an educated means. He was a great writer 85 00:05:09.040 --> 00:05:13.399 and reporter before he became just a talking head for ESPN. But I actually 86 00:05:13.439 --> 00:05:15.759 like Steve and although I know a lot of people can't stand him and if 87 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.800 they hear his voice, they turned the station or turn the TV. But 88 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:23.480 here's Winhorse last night on Luca, which again just complete body bag toe tag. 89 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:27.439 Yeah. I thought it was perfect that Luca fell onto the ground there 90 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.639 in an unacceptable position to put himself in with four minutes left with five fouls, 91 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:34.199 and then immediately looks at the bench and says, you better bleeping challenge 92 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:38.439 it, as if it's the bench's fault that he just made a terrible play. 93 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:42.439 I'm standing here in the Mavericks Tunnel. Over there is the Celtics Tunnel. 94 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.319 That's where the winners are if Lucas ever going to be a winner coming 95 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:46.920 out of this tunnel here, he is going to have to use this have 96 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:53.839 what's happened in this finals as a learning experience. His defensive performance is unacceptable. 97 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.560 He is a hole on the court. The Celtics are attacking him. 98 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.480 They are ahead in this series because they have attacked him defensively. And you've 99 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.439 got a situation here where Luca's complaining about the officiating. They have begged him, 100 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:05.879 they have talked with him, they have pleaded with him. He is 101 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.079 costing his team because of how he treats the officials. He's a brilliant player, 102 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.639 he does so many things well. They are here because how he did. 103 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.759 His performance in this game is unacceptable and the reason why the Mavericks are 104 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:18.920 not going to win. He's got to get over this. And the fact 105 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:21.879 that he came out after the game and blame the officials showed me. He's 106 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:26.120 nowhere close yet. So maybe over the summer somebody will get to him, 107 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:29.519 because nobody with the Mavericks or anybody else in his life has and that's where 108 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:31.519 the Mavericks are at this point. They're never going to get to this tunnel 109 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:36.199 with the trophy if he doesn't improve those aspects of his game, I feel 110 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:43.800 like if he would have said that in a way that you hear, I 111 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.480 don't want to just use Steven A. Who else is someone that really just 112 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.480 is animated in their thoughts and analysis. I guess you could throw Shannon Sharpen 113 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:53.480 there. I love him. Maybe, By the way, have some Colin 114 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:57.040 Cole Howard is not as an no, Skip is definitely one of them. 115 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.480 And Matt Dogg Yes, yeah, So I think if you if you were 116 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:05.800 to say that with the tone and the you know, theatrics that come with 117 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:11.480 those other guys we just mentioned, I think people would have just heard it 118 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:15.399 his loud noise and not really thought about what he said. But that was 119 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:21.800 a very well thought out take that that Windhorse gave us that you know was 120 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.600 just spot on. But he also kind of you know, you see that 121 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:29.560 tontal like when he brings up the tunnel, like that's almost like he's delivering 122 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.639 like some kind of a like a like a battle rap or something, you 123 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.160 know what I mean. Like it was just it was so it was so 124 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:39.439 spot on and boom roasted. There you go, there you go. I 125 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.800 like Windhorst. I know, his story is one that you know, people 126 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:47.879 will never forget, and that is that he was somebody that followed Lebron. 127 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:54.079 He covered Lebron James's high school team and was like the guy who you know, 128 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.879 I don't think most high schools have a beat writer, but he was 129 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.279 the guy that covered Akron basketball and the local from Yeah, oh yeah, 130 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.920 that's where he got so really been a big windy guy. Yeah, I 131 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:07.639 mean he to me, he's I'll put it this way. For a while, 132 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.480 whenever he was all over ESPN, it to me seemed like he was 133 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.639 just that guy because of his relationship and connection with Lebron. And I think 134 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:24.879 ESPN thought that Lebron would would you know, their ability to have an insider 135 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:30.279 that could get some information about Lebron would be would be this guy because he 136 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:33.639 already had the relationship to an extent before Lebron was in the NBA. But 137 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.679 slowly but surely, I think he's proven him. He's proven himself, meaning 138 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.639 Windhorse, to be a very connected guy in the league. He's he's broke 139 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.879 stories and you know, last night, I mean I thought he was thought 140 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:48.639 he was phenomenal and what he shared and I look, I bag on ESPN's 141 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.000 NBA coverage a lot, and I think I think it's it's it's very subpar 142 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.200 compared to what we we've been spoiled with with TNT. And again, I'm 143 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.799 not just talking about Kenny Charles Shack, those guys. I'm talking about even 144 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.360 like no offense, like JJ Redick and Doris Burke. Like, to me, 145 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:07.919 that is such a flat crew compared to what we get from you know, 146 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.159 the others. So you know, they're not terrible. Doris knows basketball 147 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:15.679 and JJ. I think he knows basketball in a major way. I think 148 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.480 he's really really bright, but you know, at times I feel like he's 149 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.919 he's kind of talking, talking down to people as if you know Redick yeah 150 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:24.559 yeah, and I don't. I don't, I don't. You know, 151 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.600 I like JJ Redick. Fine, that's your former Lakers head coach right there, 152 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.639 buddy, don't. Well, so let's talk about that, because I 153 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:39.480 this is so Lebron right, with Lebron James being, you know, the 154 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:45.360 most influential player in the NBA and clearly having you know, it's just a 155 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.360 I mean, there's no other player, not a one that could have a 156 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.279 son in the position that Lebron James's son is in right now, a guy 157 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:58.720 who has really never proven anything in regards to legitimate NBA upside, not to 158 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.120 say a terrible player or that he's a bum. He may end up being 159 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.799 a fine college player or would have been a fine college player, but Lebron 160 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:09.559 being Lebron is why he's going to get drafted and it's why the Lakers may 161 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:13.840 draft him. So, you know, Lebron has a lot of power, 162 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:18.360 And what really irks me is when he does the faux humble about like, 163 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.399 oh yeah, Laker, you guys, just you make the decision that's best 164 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:26.519 for the franchise long term, don't think about me, when clearly he's he's 165 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:31.919 always thinking about himself and he's always trying to influence decisions of franchises that he 166 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.919 works for. And it's not to say that he shouldn't have any level of 167 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.879 awareness and even conversation because he's Lebron James. Like, I think keeping him 168 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:45.200 happy is certainly something you have to do if you're going to employ him and 169 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.000 have him on your team. But you have to have that balance, and 170 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.360 I think a lot of players would understand, like the line not to cross, 171 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.639 like Hey, I'm sure I can share my thoughts on this and that, 172 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.559 but I can't expect this NBA franchise to make a higher or draft a 173 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.080 player because I've said so, Ron does the fake humble as if like he 174 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.919 would never do that when we all know that he would. But this is 175 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:11.360 this is this is next level Lebron. And this goes back to the JJ 176 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:16.759 Reddick being a candidate for the Lakers, which it sounds like nobody really knows 177 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.399 if that's real or not. I mean Whenhorst said the other day that the 178 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.919 extent of the interview process with JJ Redick and the Lakers is this podcast that 179 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.919 him and Lebron James are doing and they're talking basketball, and I guess it's 180 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.840 like an it's like an audition for Reddick to put in, you know, 181 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:39.519 on the podcast what he would do schematically basketball wise with this team. And 182 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.799 it's all because Lebron James wants them to be the coach so bad. Like 183 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.679 the timing of them launching this podcast is not a coincidence. He did it 184 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:52.159 because he wants JJ Reddick to show off his basketball acumen to where he could 185 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.840 impress the Lakers brass. Because it sounds like the Lakers. Lakers' front office 186 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.840 has not had any real conversation with him about, Hey, we want to 187 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.960 talk to you about this job. But it's Lebron thinking that if he does 188 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.039 this podcast thing that it'll all, you know, it'll all work out. 189 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:09.320 Here's Steven a On on this entire thing, calling, you know, calling 190 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:16.000 calling them out. Here we go. I think JJ is a different situation 191 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:24.080 because of the situation Lebron James and his camp created by doing that podcast in 192 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.399 the middle of the season, knowing that Darvin Hand was on a hot seat. 193 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:33.039 I don't care what anybody says, that was a very egregious thing to 194 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.480 do. I'm not talking about the podcast. Wendy knows I'm not doing this. 195 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:39.120 Andrea, Dude, Wendy knows, I'm not doing this. I'm not 196 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:43.559 talking about the podcast itself. I'm talking about the timing. The Lakers get 197 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.440 eliminated and Lebron James and JJ do their podcast. There's no problem. This 198 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.320 summer starts, they're doing their podcast. There's no problem. Darvin Hand was 199 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.360 on the hot seat. And that's when Lebron James, in the middle of 200 00:12:54.399 --> 00:13:01.759 the season decides to do a podcast with a brilliant Surrey April Basketball mine. 201 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.559 And they're breaking down plays. They're talking plays, they're talking am I lying, 202 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:11.200 Wendy. They're talking plays, they're talking schemes, they're talking I'm strategy, 203 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.519 they're talking all of these things. Hud say what you never seen what 204 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.480 before? Wendy. I've never see what before. I've never seen I mean, 205 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.080 this is a new thing I've ever never done in the NBA. What 206 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.919 you're talking about this podcast? Never so again, Like that's what happened. 207 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.039 Lebron started a podcast with JJ Reddicks so he could flex his basketball brain and 208 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:33.440 hopes that the Lakers would then fire Darvin Hamm and hired JJ Reddick. Like 209 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:35.679 I'm not blown away that he has that, Like that he knows that he 210 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.320 might have that power, because again we're talking about Lebron. But to Wendy's 211 00:13:39.399 --> 00:13:43.720 credit, meaning Windhorst, I guess that's what they call him. I'll call 212 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:45.440 him that too. By the way, he's got the juice right now. 213 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:46.879 Again, you know, I want to know, gass him up a little 214 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.759 bit, but like it is, just say that out loud. NBA player 215 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.679 creates podcast with a guy he wants to be the coach to put the pressure 216 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.120 on the franchise to fire the current head coach and hire this guy like it's 217 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:03.919 insane, but that's the kind of stuff that comes with Lebron James. All 218 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.240 right, it's Coffee and Company. We are fielded by Thornton's here on Sports 219 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:09.759 Talk seven ninety nit coffee. That's me Austin Montgomery alongside today And before we 220 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:11.960 get to our first break here in the four o'clock hour, let's hit the 221 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.720 phone lines. Five W two five hundred is the number if you'd like to 222 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:18.360 to give us a call, and we'll let the text line as well. 223 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:20.519 On the other side. Some good stuff coming in, some reaction to our 224 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.799 Pat Kelsey conversation. So but without further ado, let's hit the phone lines. 225 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:28.799 Let's bring in mister Jerry, Jerry, how are you? Hey? 226 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.200 You been Nick? Hey Jerry, long time no talk brother? How are 227 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:35.879 you good? Good? I'll hit on some things that you discussed today. 228 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:39.080 First of all, the Big Twelve. You and I are on the same 229 00:14:39.159 --> 00:14:45.919 page. When when all that news hit today on social media Twitter about the 230 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:52.000 Big twelve selling their name raising funds that way, I send it to a 231 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:54.519 lot of my buddies. I said, this guy that runs that conference gets 232 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.240 it. Yep. He thinks outside the box. He's creative and that's yeah, 233 00:14:58.559 --> 00:15:01.240 and that's and it blows me away that we don't have that in the 234 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:07.159 acc It's a killer Okay about the n b A. I watched an interview 235 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.320 today with Dan Patrick and a and a writer and a local l A writer 236 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:16.960 talking about the Lakers and the and the and the writer said, he said 237 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.279 that the Lakers will never be the same until Lebron, or have a return 238 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:26.120 to greatness until Lebron is gone. And I believe that I'm a Lebron fan. 239 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:30.559 I never have been. And well, I can't say that early on, 240 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.919 I enjoyed his game. When he got bigger and bulkier and less skilled 241 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.240 in my opinion, as time went on, and he uses a physique to 242 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:43.840 score instead of I don't know, he just looked a lot. He's a 243 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.600 lot more fun to watch. When he went to Miami, he became like 244 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.799 bully Lebron. Yes, yes, And when he was very young with the 245 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:54.440 calves, he was fun to watch. But then then he became a referee 246 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.360 too. You know, he reps and plays and and and that that sickened 247 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:03.120 me. And and it's funny that you're talking about Luca and all that came 248 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:06.600 up with the rest last night because I told all my buddies one game end 249 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.559 of that series, I said, I can't stand watching Luca because all he 250 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.840 does is cry. Okay, Pat Kelsey, I'll give you two things. 251 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.320 There's a lot of things I love about the guy. But recently I've been 252 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:23.000 seeing all these pictures of him at all these exposure events. And the thing 253 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:26.840 I like about it. You know that you talk about Louisville fans being crazy, 254 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.919 and I'm one of them. I look at pictures, I look at 255 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.200 things, and I say, I see what I'm seeing here. And I 256 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:37.039 got a buddy that coaches at the D one level as an assistant, and 257 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:41.200 he tells me all the time, he said, a lot of assistants go 258 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:45.279 through the motions at those exposure events. They show up late and they leave 259 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.240 early. Well, the thing I like about Kelsey is he's not sitting beside 260 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:53.600 a bunch of coaches showing the fat bs and on his phone. Every picture 261 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.120 I've seen, he's got his notes, he's got his book, and he's 262 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:03.519 paying attentions. Yeah, that tells me that is that is awesome. The 263 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:08.279 one thing I wish somebody would asking. And this is again shows my level 264 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.559 of craziness. Uh. And I don't know who decided to do this. 265 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:17.240 It could have been your boy Mac, could have been somebody that worked for 266 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:21.839 Mac. But but when they when they did the practice facility and they redid 267 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:26.079 it and they did the floor all that crazy scheme, and it looks cool. 268 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:32.720 But in my opinion, I think that court should mimic the Young Court 269 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:38.000 because I mean, when you're teaching and you and you're talking about spots on 270 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:42.559 the floor, do you know what I'm talking about? The crazy graphics I've 271 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.160 never seen in humongous Yeah. And and and by the way, I've played 272 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:48.720 on that court, I'm a Chris Mac fantasy camp champ. You may have 273 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.960 heard me mentioned that a time or two. But yeah, yeah, it 274 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:55.559 is hard. It is hard to really know where you are. I mean, 275 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:56.119 I've only been on it a few times. But no, I know 276 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:59.519 exactly what you're talking about. If you're in that, they call it like 277 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:02.720 the hangover were there, like where the office you overlook the office kind of 278 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:07.119 overlooks the court meeting Pat Kelsey's office. I mean the humongous dunking bird logo, 279 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.119 which I love, the Cardinal dunking bird. It is so humongous. 280 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:12.119 I'm not even really sure where the court is. I have to look at 281 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.039 the rims to kind of know what I'm looking at, if you know what 282 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:21.000 I mean. Yes, and Nick, I've been to many campuses. Anytime 283 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:26.039 I get near a campus, I'm sort of like the guy on Twitter that 284 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.519 tries to sneak in places. I'm always trying to get in so so recently, 285 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:33.440 I was in Nashville and my wife knows I'm I like to do that 286 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:34.920 kind of stuff, and she said, you want to run over to Vandy 287 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:40.519 tomorrow? I said sure. And it was only that guy that got hired 288 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.279 from James Madison's only about his first week. And there was a guy inside 289 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:47.640 the door, and I tapped on the window and I told him. I 290 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:49.079 said, Hey, I'm from Louis, Kentucky. I'm just down here in 291 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:52.920 Nashville. I just want to check out this arena I've seen in a million 292 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.559 times on television. Blah blah blah. And the guy lets me in. 293 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:03.400 He was a holdover graduate assistant from from from the previous staff with Stockcast. 294 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.319 And I got to talking to the guy and anyway. But anyway, he 295 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.319 let us in and he said, take your time and all that stuff. 296 00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:12.160 And I went in their practice facility that's attached to it, and that floor 297 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:18.000 is exactly like the floor they play on. And I can't believe as big 298 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:22.680 as stickler as Kelsey is for that kind of stuff that that won't change. 299 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.160 I think it needs. I think it needs to change, yeah, because 300 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.720 I just think it's I just think it transfers come game time. No. 301 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.200 I I if I was a coach, especially when as a player I could, 302 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.519 I would want to. I would want to be practicing on a court 303 00:19:36.559 --> 00:19:37.559 that is that is similar. In fact, I'd want to practice at the 304 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.680 Young Center, to be honest with you, but obviously that's not logistically always 305 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.359 an option. But Jerry, I appreciate the time. Good to hear from 306 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:47.640 you, my man. And uh, you know, Jerry's been a longtime 307 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:52.279 caller and I, uh he's He wasn't someone I was thinking about, but 308 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.519 he is a great example of what I was referring to when I asked Pat 309 00:19:55.599 --> 00:20:00.559 Kelsey if he's willing to embrace our crazy because we're crazy, because we care 310 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:04.920 that much and sometimes you know, every now and then there's like a brief, 311 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.480 brief moment where I'm thinking, like why am I getting so worked up? 312 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.599 Like why this isn't life or death for me? Why am I so 313 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:17.640 happy or so sad based upon what happens in these basketball games with these college 314 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:22.279 kids. But thankfully, at this moment in my life, it's a millisecond. 315 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.519 And then I quickly realized because it's like my religion, and I wouldn't 316 00:20:26.599 --> 00:20:30.920 want it any other way. So Jerry was a loyal listener, has been 317 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.359 and a loyal caller on the postgame show. A lot of therapy sessions with 318 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.279 Louisville fans during the last couple of years during those postgame shows, and Jerry 319 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:42.200 was a frequent caller. And I always remember this because you know, I'm 320 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.880 an insecure human like a lot of people. When I was pretty early on 321 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:52.920 calling out how worried I was about Kenny Payne working out here, you know, 322 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.359 some people agreed, some thought it was too quick to say that, 323 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.799 some thought I was just being a hater, And you know, it messed 324 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:00.440 with me little bit, right, because I don't want people to think that 325 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.400 I'm actively rooting against love, because I never would. I wouldn't even know 326 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.920 how it wouldn't it wouldn't be natural. But I'm also not delusional. I'm 327 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:11.079 going to tell you what I think and and believe it and and know what 328 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:15.000 my eyes are telling me. And Jerry always uh has has has reminded me 329 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.359 that he appreciates that I was at least will it would like I did anything 330 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:18.920 crazy. I didn't. I mean, I think it's pretty obvious for anybody 331 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:22.160 to see that this thing was going to be bad. But UH, now 332 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:25.440 it's over and that's a good thing. And we've got a new era here 333 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.359 that is the Pat Kelsey era, the revival, which he did share for 334 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:30.240 those who missed the interview earlier, we are going to play it in the 335 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:33.720 five o'clock hour for you guys. But UH coach Clohman, I guess he 336 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:37.359 deserves the credit for uh for coming up with the revive ill, which, 337 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:42.680 of course you know is the slogan for this this program this season. All 338 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:45.559 right, don't go anywhere. We'll keep this thing rolling along its coffee and 339 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:51.519 company. We are field about Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety keep in locked 340 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:56.839 on Sports Talk seven nine days and Kimmy Kitchen North from it. Bet let 341 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:02.240 me put a show it South Ones for stuff for because she now back to 342 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:11.759 coffee and company fueled my Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day Geman movie and 343 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:14.960 that's what she dancing. I'm not sure how many are keeping up with us, 344 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:21.599 but Terrence Shannon, the former Illinois star who I'm surprised, Well, 345 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:23.440 I shouldn't say that, I guess I'm not surprised given the situation. But 346 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:27.279 he was really really good last year, uh for Illinois. I mean it 347 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:30.680 was one of the best players in the country. I think with his draft 348 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.200 being as weak as it is, I think he's one of the better players 349 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.519 in the draft, and I guess where he's projected, and the mock drafts 350 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:38.279 is kind of all over the place, given the fact that he is currently 351 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.200 on trial for sexual assault, and it did get you know, it wasn't 352 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:48.799 something that was ignored throughout the college basketball season, but you know, he 353 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.160 was able to somehow with you know, with help, with help from an 354 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.759 attorney, get it to where he could still play. And throughout he's maintained 355 00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:03.440 his innocence, uh completely, And this trial there's a there's a lawyer, 356 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:11.440 Mitch Gillifillon is I think say that Gilfillan, but he's on Twitter at Mitch 357 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:15.279 gilfin g I L F I L l A N. He's a lawyer, 358 00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:21.079 he actually played basketball at Lehigh and he's been covering this trial, and you 359 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:25.240 know it's just me following along with his updates. But a few things that 360 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:29.240 have stood out make it seem as if there's a chance this entire thing could 361 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:33.279 be made up. I mean, on he testified today during his trial, 362 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.359 Darren Shannon Jr. Did that he had no clue who the woman is and 363 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:42.160 the first time that he saw who she was was at the preliminary hearing. 364 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:48.119 Like he's completely claiming this is all made up. There's no witness, there's 365 00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:52.480 nobody, there's nothing to back up what she's saying other than a friend that 366 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:57.279 has you know, been alongside throughout the entire thing, meaning a friend of 367 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:03.680 the victim or the alleged victim. And you know, she testified and one 368 00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:07.160 of the comments here from from this reporter was that, you know, putting 369 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.839 a nineteen year old kid up against a seasoned, very you know, successful 370 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:17.960 defense attorney is you know, is not something you typically see and you know, 371 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:21.240 she didn't do really well. It sounds like and that's not to say 372 00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:23.440 that you know, well that proves that that you know, he's in a 373 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.640 sentence is all made up. But I don't know. I mean, let 374 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.920 me let me share some details here as far as the what was testified. 375 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:34.920 You know, actually this isn't this isn't just from the testimony. This is 376 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:40.519 actually what the defense presented at the trial yesterday. As far as evidence, 377 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:45.559 and I mean, it doesn't prove anything, but it's something. So ESPN 378 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:52.599 broke the story on December twenty eighth, twenty twenty three of these allegations, 379 00:24:52.640 --> 00:25:00.960 and a group text was offered into evidence and it's the friend and it's two 380 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.160 friends of the alleged victim. So one of the friends, one of the 381 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:08.200 friends, shared the ESPN article and just provided in the text, OMG, 382 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:15.440 the best friend who is who is you know not only testifying on behalf of 383 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.319 the victim, but you know she went with the victim to the hospital, 384 00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:22.519 so like she's been she's, I guess the only person that can actually validate 385 00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.200 what this victim is claiming happened. So then the best friends said, you 386 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:33.119 got him? And then the alleged victim said yep, yes, sir. 387 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:37.000 That was her response. Well then, and this could be something minor, 388 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.359 but I gotta be honest with you, I don't think this is totally coincidence. 389 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:47.640 Then the best friend responded with got his ass and then the emoji of 390 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:52.960 the smiley face with dollar signs as the eyeball and money as like the mouth. 391 00:25:55.079 --> 00:26:00.160 I mean, with that, along with nobody being able to at all 392 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.920 back up anything she's saying, there are some, including myself, kind of 393 00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:10.279 starting to think that, like, maybe this was just an attempt to to 394 00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:11.359 you know, I don't again, I don't know. I probably shouldn't even 395 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.680 be saying that because I have no clue. I'm not there at the trial. 396 00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:18.960 But this has happened before, where you know, there's athletes that are 397 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:23.160 accused of of of sexual assault and they weren't even there. I mean Chris 398 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:27.519 Jones, I mean former Loovo player who had already gotten himself into some hot 399 00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:32.039 water with the program just because you know, he wasn't doing things he was 400 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:33.160 supposed to be doing, and you know, he was in the doghouse with 401 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:37.400 Patino. But then when that happened, you know, I think because of 402 00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.160 that meaning he was already in the doghouse. I think a lot of people 403 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:41.519 just so well, so, yeah, it's true, and then you know 404 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:45.359 he was completely exonerated. Wasn't even there. I mean, he was able 405 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.640 to prove that this was just not like that was made up or she had 406 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:52.880 the wrong guy. And then a story that I know is is out there, 407 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.519 it gets a lot of attention. But that former punter, I can't 408 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:56.799 think of his last name, but I know he punted for the bills. 409 00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:03.079 He lost his entire career seemingly because of an accusation of sexual assault, and 410 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.200 later he was able to prove and confirm he was not even there, like 411 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.920 it was just completely made up by somebody. And I don't know how you 412 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.680 can go through that. I mean, I guess you can just have the 413 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.680 wrong guy and be confused and it's a terrible mistake to make and whatnot. 414 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:26.440 But then there's also other instances where nobody believes you just had the wrong guy, 415 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.680 like you were clearly trying to penant on somebody where you could file a 416 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.000 lawsuit or get him to pay a hush money or something like that. So 417 00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:37.480 I don't know what's going to happen, but I would say this trial is 418 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.880 seemingly going in favor of the defense, which is Terrence Shannon Junior. And 419 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.839 another thing. Again without context of the situation, it's tough to really know. 420 00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:53.480 But after this alleged sexual assault took place, they left, meaning the 421 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.119 alleged victim and her friends, and then they went back out that night. 422 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.640 So I just feel like that's that's that's not I just feel like, that's 423 00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.200 that's not what you would typically do if, in fact you were sexually assaulted. 424 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:11.119 And she did end up getting I guess a rape kit done, and 425 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:17.519 she had not showered since the alleged crime took place, So that is good 426 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:21.880 when it comes to trying to get DNA that could help in court to prove 427 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:26.000 if somebody was you know, was involved, and there was no DNA found 428 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.599 at all on Tarrean Shannon's junior. Tan Shannon Junior's DNA was not anywhere. 429 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:34.799 There was no evidence that he was ever near this woman. And also something 430 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:42.720 else that came up in the trial, there were two other male DNA sample 431 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:47.480 you know, to two other there was DNA of two other males, maybe 432 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:52.279 not you know, I don't want to get to graphic here, but like 433 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.000 there were two other DNA profiles found that that that matched other dudes. Doesn't 434 00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.119 mean that she had, you know, intercourse with them, because it could 435 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.759 just be around her. You know, it wasn't that you know, that 436 00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:03.839 kind of DNA, if you know what I'm saying. But either way, 437 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:11.599 this is a guy who could end up a complete victim himself in this entire 438 00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:15.400 thing. And maybe it won't impact if he gets you drafted. I don't 439 00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:23.440 know, But I mean the character witnesses on behalf of him, which again 440 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:29.319 you would expect the defense to bring people who are character witnesses that are going 441 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:33.839 to really just rave about the high character of this defendant. But you know, 442 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.400 I mean, if you look at some of the statements that were made, 443 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.839 I mean, it sounds like this guy's never been in trouble. He's 444 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.400 very low key, very mild mannered, has never I mean, you know, 445 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.680 I just found it really telling that when he testified today, it wasn't 446 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:53.039 just hey, it didn't happen. He's never He doesn't know this woman, 447 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:59.400 which is kind of crazy. Either he's lying his ass off or she is. 448 00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.680 It seems like, and you know who knows. Again, I don't 449 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.119 have all the details. I shouldn't, you know, just because you can't 450 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:08.799 prove that that something happened to you like that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 451 00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:15.720 But with the evidence that has been shared on both sides, I mean, 452 00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:18.240 if I was on the jury, I would I would There's no way I 453 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:19.960 would be able to claim that this that this guy. Again, I wasn't 454 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.799 there the whole time, but from what I've seen, I wouldn't be able 455 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.839 to say this guy's guilty of that. In fact, we do have a 456 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.799 little bit of an update here. It said, well, I'll take a 457 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.319 break because there's a long thread here and I don't want to just start reading 458 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.200 random tweets to you guys. But it sounds like there may be there may 459 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:44.440 be a let's see here. Yeah, there could be could be a verdict 460 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.759 here soon. So all right, let's let's get our last breakout of the 461 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:49.720 way here. We'll come back on the other side. If you missed the 462 00:30:49.720 --> 00:30:52.400 pack Kelsey interview from earlier in the show, we will replay it for you 463 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.519 in the five o'clock hours, so you'll be able to hear it if you 464 00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.720 missed it, and we'll keep this thing rolling along. It's coffee and company. 465 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:12.559 We are feel about Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Sorry, 466 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:40.039 so now now back to coffee and company. Few my Thornton's on Sports 467 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.279 Talk seven nine day. How about uh Pat Kelsey Gas set up my man 468 00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.960 Austin on his musical selection. I mean I told Austin before we brought Pat 469 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:52.160 Kelsey on, was like, hey, you know, just play something generic. 470 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.440 But he already had something in the queue ready to roll. And that 471 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.400 was the first first thing Pat Kelsey said, is he you know, he 472 00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.000 thought it was Jim Awsome, which I guess, you know, same same 473 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:05.000 lane. Yeah as matchbacks twenty, match bucks twenty. Do you know what 474 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.759 you're gonna play before, like you come in for the show or do you 475 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:13.079 just let the vibes kind of control just by okay, because you do a 476 00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:15.440 good job of thank you keeping me guessing and I feel like, you know, 477 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.599 maybe this is why you got into radio. For those who don't know, 478 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:21.519 Austin is a he's a he's a Swiss Army knife for us here at 479 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.400 our Heart because you hear him on w A MZ, you hear him on 480 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.039 some of our other stations. Uh. He's got his own podcast that is 481 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:30.200 super successful that covers wrestling, so he's he does a little bit of everything, 482 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:36.279 including help produce this show. Uh, but you know your your play 483 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.519 song. You play songs that I wouldn't seek out, but it always just 484 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:43.640 it fits right, the vibes are compatible. So that really that made my 485 00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:45.920 day. What would be yourd What would be your DJ name? I had 486 00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:49.799 no clue that one. That one's ah, that one's a little bit tough. 487 00:32:49.839 --> 00:32:52.759 Frosty DJ Frosty. I've always liked Frosty. Now, yeah, you 488 00:32:52.759 --> 00:32:57.680 remember back in the day he used to Yeah, well it was Chucky, 489 00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.960 Yeah, Chucky. That's right, that's right. And I gotta be honest 490 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:04.200 with you, that just doesn't stick. Like it didn't. It didn't because 491 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.759 when you have a nickname, in my experiences, you know, like you 492 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.279 know, the person who's getting the nickname probably doesn't like it and doesn't know. 493 00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:14.240 But that's why nobody can come up with their own nickname, which is 494 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.960 why, you know, for for Billy Rutledge, I mean, we had 495 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.640 some good ideas for nicknames, but Billy, you know, and I get 496 00:33:20.680 --> 00:33:22.880 it. He's all about branding, and he's good at that. He's he's 497 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.880 become a very very very successful colleague of ours here. But like it was 498 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.440 just a wasted waste of time because any nickname we through out there like he 499 00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:35.200 was he was, he was just gonna fight it. Yeah. But when 500 00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:39.640 it comes to radio newbies, and I don't mean like just interns or even 501 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:45.640 people that are new to new to radio in general, but just like newly 502 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.440 a part of the team, usually you find out something about him, something 503 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.279 happens, there's some type of story that you learn that is a big factor 504 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:57.279 in how the nickname comes about. And Austin used to work at Chuck E 505 00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.799 Cheese, right, yep, And I just felt like that would be a 506 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:01.480 for perfect thing to call you Chucky, but it just didn't. It didn't 507 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:06.680 hit And uh, that's why you've kind of been nicknameless. But you used 508 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.320 to be frost Austy Frosty on Twitter, right, Yeah, yeah, it 509 00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:12.199 used to be Austy Frosty. I always thought that, for whatever reason, 510 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.239 Austy Frosty was kind of cool. Yeah, it's kind of I think DJ 511 00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:20.440 Frosty on the Ones in Tuesday, that could that could work DJ DJ Frosty 512 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.719 on the Ones in twos. I feel like if it ever gets down to 513 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.440 where you're getting out the uh you know, the iPad or the I'm sorry. 514 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:30.400 The the the iPod if that's the thing anymore, the laptop, like 515 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.480 you know it's DJ Frosty, yes, something you know, like DJ cancels 516 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.360 on a wedding and they need like an impromptu guy and I'm just there for 517 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:37.960 the vibes. I can just I can. I could pull up the Spotify 518 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:42.519 play list and I have a lot of you have a lot of Matchbox twenty 519 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.119 and Big Rob Thomas Guy. Oh yeah, I love the Goo Goo doll. 520 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:49.880 What is that genre? Because that is that's good stuff. I guess 521 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.480 it could be involved in, like you know, that could be involved in 522 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.639 kind of like yacht rock maybe, but I just always sad two thousands White 523 00:34:55.639 --> 00:35:00.599 Boy, Yeah, in late nineties two. But it can be I think 524 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:05.199 you could find some of those tracks on a on a on a yacht rock 525 00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.519 type of playlist. But I feel like it was like Seattle grunge or something 526 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.119 probably, and I guess it's like all all music. I guess you could 527 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.880 probably call that one right before really kind of like the post grunginess. It 528 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.599 was a very short lived era, but it produced a lot of songs that 529 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:22.000 like, you don't hear that often at least I don't hear that. Often. 530 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:23.559 When I do hear, it takes me back. Those were those were 531 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:28.199 bangers. Those were the days. Yeah, you know, oddly enough, 532 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.880 when I first got here, when I first moved to Louisville, when I 533 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:36.920 was in Arizona, all my boys, the crew called me. It was 534 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.679 relegated down to steeze. They would call me steeze. It was short from 535 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:45.760 My buddy used to call me Austezy, and for the longest time easy Steezy, 536 00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.760 just as just like as a Yo, aust easy, what up? 537 00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:51.400 Kind of something like that. But then it just kind of got regulated down 538 00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.199 to yo, what up Steeze or Yo, Steeze is coming over to pick 539 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:55.840 us up? And that always kind of always kind of stuck. But you 540 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.280 know, when that died off, I guess, I mean, when you 541 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.440 moved to a new play it's hard to explain that to people and then believe 542 00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.760 it or not. When I had my ups run, I told them the 543 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:07.960 whole story, you know, my background. You get on a career, 544 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.719 you start to tell people where you're from. I told the Chucky Cheese story. 545 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.559 Stuck with them too, So I was called Chucky by a lot of 546 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:19.800 the UPSP told me that before I even got into radio. I know, 547 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.079 I didn't want to give a fuel to the fire. I get it. 548 00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:27.920 You didn't want to embrace Chucky, you know. But Chucky is one of 549 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.079 those names where it can just people could think your name is Charles and you 550 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:34.400 go by Chucky. But what makes it a good nickname is the story. 551 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.800 Did I is this like wishful thinking on my end as far as creativity here, 552 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:43.119 or did you actually dress up as the mouse? I had to dress 553 00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:45.559 up as the mouse one time. I shared that with me and I was 554 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.079 like, Okay, he's going to be Chucky. You know I was. 555 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.800 I was a little a little bit more hefty back in the day. This 556 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:53.320 was like when I was able to glow up before the glow up, all 557 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:57.760 right for the glowdown, I guess, but the slim down, but I 558 00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:01.079 wouldn't The one time I got thrust in it at the very last second and 559 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.360 they said, well, you're new here, just go ahead and try this. 560 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.400 And the suit is adjustable, but the person that was in it before 561 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.639 was very, very small, and I didn't know how to adjust it, 562 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.239 so like I really couldn't do it. I just went back to my boss 563 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:15.880 and said I. I couldn't fit. I couldn't fit in the suit. 564 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.559 And I guess he probably just thought that that's personal. We're not going to 565 00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:22.800 ask the fat kid to get in a suit no more. So hey, 566 00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.760 got you, got you. There was any like a Saturday rush and they 567 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.760 were, you know, dying for someone to be chucky with. I just 568 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.880 told them, can't fit in it. Brouh. That's a good excuse to 569 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:36.000 have helped. It helped. I'll I will take and they're not gonna they're 570 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.000 not gonna grill you like hey, lose weight so you could beat the mouse. 571 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:42.119 So yeah, it uh, it all worked out for you perfect. 572 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.960 I kind of missed the Chuck E Cheese days. Is tuckyche still around? 573 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.480 It is? It's completely rebranded though, So let me let me guess up 574 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.639 Chuck E Cheese really quickly here because do it. This is one of my 575 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:58.039 favorite stories from the pandemic, and I wish it got more attention. It 576 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.119 did get some attention, But Chuck E Cheese, you don't think of the 577 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:05.039 pizza. You think of everything that comes with the Chuck E Cheese experience. 578 00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.000 Kid's birthday parties. Yeah, the you know, the mouse, it's and 579 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:12.480 the crew like that. You know that there's like it's not just the mouse. 580 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.119 But yeah, anyways, there's Munch. Shout out to my guy Munch 581 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:16.079 with the other one of the characters. Yeah, he was one of the 582 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:20.000 carries, like the big Grimace looking. So during the camp pandemic, you 583 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.599 know, restaurants were dying because they couldn't they couldn't open up for business, 584 00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:27.400 so they had to thrive on takeout, which was still a struggle, but 585 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.920 it was better than nothing. Right, Well, Chuck e Cheese initially had 586 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:35.119 entered themselves and they didn't used to be a part of one of the food 587 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:39.760 delivery services rather than be of grub Hub or uber Eats. Uh, what 588 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.679 is there one that I'm I feel like I'm missing one. Yeah, do 589 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.800 or Dad Doors is probably one of the most known ones. So if you 590 00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:51.320 just put Chuck e Cheese in there, it didn't hit people weren't well, 591 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.239 people didn't line up to order Chuck e Cheese. They just went with other 592 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:57.519 places as well. The name of the mouse is like Pasquelli, right, 593 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.840 Uh, that's no. Pasqually is the guy with He's a part of the 594 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:07.119 band Chucky. He's the lead guy. I'm an idiot so Pesquelli is part 595 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:10.480 of Chuck E Cheese though, right, yes, well so they they re 596 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:15.639 entered in these in these delivery food delivery places in the apps as Pesquali's pizza, 597 00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:19.280 and people thought, oh, this must be some local pizza joint, 598 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.119 so they started ordering it and they started doing well, you know, not 599 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.960 probably not great, but given the pandemic, they were actually able to start 600 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.400 delivering pizzas and at least making some level of money, right, not having 601 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:31.360 no business at all, And people would get the pizza and it would be 602 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.920 in a Chucky Cheese box and they were they were fooled, but like it 603 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.039 also reminded people that the pizza there is actually pretty good. Wow, created 604 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:42.159 pizza that is that is good? What a swindle by them, right, 605 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.880 yeah, because they knew if if they were just in the Uber Eats app 606 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.719 as as as Chuck E Cheese, it probably wouldn't you know, it wouldn't 607 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.599 resonate. But if someone's looking for a new pizza place to try, because 608 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.119 they've already had Domino's, Papa John's, and Pizza Hut thirty times during the 609 00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.800 pandemic, let's give this local joint to try. And it ended up being 610 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.639 Chuck E Cheese, and I'm sure they enjoyed it because they do have good 611 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:07.880 pizza. Yeah. I always thought their food was good. Anytime anybody's ever 612 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:12.119 tried to like frown upon Chucky Cheese's food, I feel like really have never 613 00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.079 never had. I've always loved their pizza. I've always loved their dishes. 614 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.599 I love pizza. There's not many pizzas that I will turn down and say, 615 00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:22.360 Nope, not good. But clearly some pizza is better than others. 616 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.440 But I'm certainly on a pizza snob because I actually think that both Gaddies and 617 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:30.599 Chuck E Cheese Yeah, has really good pizza. And if they like, 618 00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:32.719 you know, if it was a convenient thing to order and have it like 619 00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:37.840 delivered to you along with the others Papa John's, Domino's, I would order 620 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.519 it. Stuff. Stuff. At one point they were talking about disbanding, 621 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.719 like the electronic band, the creepy robots that are in there that play for 622 00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:46.880 you. Yes, they taught I think that they kept it now. The 623 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.840 electronic band was something you talk about being in there like late late night and 624 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:55.119 you have to close and it's like twelve o'clock and got to go back there. 625 00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.320 To clean. It is pretty creepy on that and I feel like, 626 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:01.599 no matter what, if you look at one of those members of the of 627 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:07.960 the Electronic Band, it looks like they're staring into your soul and it's very 628 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.320 scary and creepy, and they can just sometimes move. When I was there, 629 00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.679 if you remember Chucky Cheese, well that here's a Chucky Cheese talk right 630 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.480 when we they had actually rebranded the whole mouse to where the mouse is actually 631 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.280 like a little guy. It used to be like the big, huge mouse, 632 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:23.679 and they still had that as a mascot, but they moved to like 633 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:29.920 a more petite looking mouse. And here's what their catchphrase was, say cheese, 634 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.239 it's funner. Do you remember that funner? It's not even a word. 635 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.760 Yeah, that's not good. That's good, that's good marketing. I 636 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:40.000 remember having the shirt say cheese it's funner. Yeah, that's We'll throw that 637 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:45.000 in the list of bad decisions. Chucky Cheese mads not included with the decision 638 00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:46.639 they made to fool people about who they were as a pizza place. Shout 639 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.880 up a squally though, shout out shout out to them. Are we got 640 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:51.760 to run way too late for a break? Here, we'll come back on 641 00:41:51.760 --> 00:41:52.840 the other side, reset some things, and then let you guys hear with 642 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.079 the Pat Kelsey interview if you missed it, so stick around right here on 643 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:57.079 Sports Talk seven ninety