1 00:00:44,359 --> 00:01:30,599 We're coming up on the two year anniversary of episode three fifty four. That's 2 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,120 the episode where tonight's guest came on and told us about his first dog met 3 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,640 an encounter. Since that show, weird, he's had quite a few new 4 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,319 experiences, and that's what he's come back to talk about. Of course, 5 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:46,519 I'm talking about Paul Chieffin. Paul, thanks so much for coming back. 6 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:51,040 Great to be here, Vic talking to you. Well, it's great talking 7 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,359 with you. I really appreciate your time. Paul. For the listeners who 8 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,239 missed that show, please tell them about yourself and give him a rundown on 9 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:02,519 that first encou me. Yeah, I went to hunting when I was sixteen 10 00:02:02,599 --> 00:02:06,959 years old. I got up late one day and almost didn't go. Just 11 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:09,800 a dark, gloomy day in November, in between the first and the fifth 12 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,319 of November. I just got up late and almost didn't go. My dad 13 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:19,560 was gonna go with me, and he backed out and didn't go. But 14 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:23,080 I sat here and taught myself into going around. But I think ten eleven 15 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,599 o'clock maybe twelve, and I walked way back up on the mountain and went 16 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,840 into an area that I didn't really freak up that much. And I got 17 00:02:30,879 --> 00:02:35,639 back there and I just fell asleep up against a tree. And when I 18 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:38,960 woke up, it was he was around three or four o'clock and then around 19 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,960 that time, and especially in the mountains, it gets dark a lot earlier. 20 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,000 You know, the sun goes down, which the sun went now, 21 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:50,800 but it gets dark a lot earlier. But yeah, I sit there and 22 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,000 fell asleep on When I got up, I just I kind of panicked a 23 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:55,639 little bit because I knew I wasn't going to make it home before dark, 24 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,240 because he's a dark one. On five fight thirty and I was farther an 25 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,719 hour from the house. But I took about fifteen steps, I would say, 26 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,199 and fear come over me that I can't explain. And yeah, it 27 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:13,560 just was a primal fear. And I stood there. I had my hat 28 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,960 pulled, bow and I kind of stood. I had a shotgun with me, 29 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:21,759 like free nuch slug bags in it. Just deer hunting. Everything I 30 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,039 see it in the mountains is going to be you know, close shot, 31 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,319 brush shot. I was on top of a ridge, so I was coming 32 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,240 down into what they call a gap, and there's a logging road that came 33 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,560 from my right over it and it crossed through the gap and went around the 34 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:38,599 other side of the ridge on my left, and I caught something walking that 35 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:42,599 It was walking that road when I seen it, it was on that road, 36 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,560 and it looked like a black blob to me, like it was blacker 37 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,479 than black. I don't know if you know what panto black is, but 38 00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:53,199 if you've ever seen it, it's it's just black. And it was so 39 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,080 black that I couldn't make out details on it. But as I watched it, 40 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:00,719 I started to be able to see things, like it's I noticed it's 41 00:04:00,759 --> 00:04:04,280 elbow, and then I noticed that it had a chest on the side profile, 42 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,960 and it had a tail. It had ears that kind of pointed up 43 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,639 but kind of back. I don't know if he was doing that on purpose 44 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:14,400 or if it's just the way it looked, but yeah, it's still about 45 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,079 seven eight feet tall, probably six seven hundred pounds. And it never looked 46 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,720 at me and never made eye contact. It just walked at a steady pace. 47 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,079 It's about seventy yards away, and it still had about seventy yards before 48 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,120 it got out of my side and it went over the hill. But now 49 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,560 it never looked at me, thank god, because I don't know what I 50 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,680 would have done. Shooting it never crossed my mind. I probably would have 51 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,959 dropped the hunt and run, but I know not to run from predators and 52 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,199 all that. I was raised in the mountains. But yeah, this was 53 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,519 a different predator. So yeah, I mean, that's it in a nutshell. 54 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,800 It changed my life for sure. You know, I left the mountain 55 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,120 that day a different person. I live in a different reality than everybody else 56 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,199 that hasn't seen one of these things. But yeah, it's pretty Friday. 57 00:05:00,759 --> 00:05:04,040 Nobody believed me, so really, to the bad taste of my mouth for 58 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:08,279 talking about it for a long time, Well, I can understand why it 59 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,399 did. And like you said, thank goodness, it didn't look at you. 60 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:15,360 Yeah you said, you're in the mountains, but what mountains were there? 61 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,000 Where were you? I was in eastern Kentucky and Pike County, in 62 00:05:20,079 --> 00:05:26,639 a little place called Canada, Kentucky. I lived a place called BlackBerry, 63 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,199 and then you know, my mom and dad were divorced, so I went 64 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,399 back and forth there. So you know, I was in Canada Kentucky this 65 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,920 time. And it's in the Appalachian Mountains as far eastern Kentucky as you can 66 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:42,079 go. Literally when I had Field McCoy feud happened researching dog me in the 67 00:05:42,079 --> 00:05:44,720 way you do. I don't need to tell you about how many documents are 68 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:49,040 in that area. And like I said before, I never got the feeling 69 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,519 that that thing lived there. I don't know why I got that feeling, 70 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,720 but I just didn't. It almost like it was just passing through. And 71 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:03,120 I think it's stopped me or something, because just thinking back and looking at 72 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,639 it in my mind, had I kept walking at the taste I was walking, 73 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,000 if we were both blind, we would have reterally run in each other. 74 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,480 So I think it stopped me. I think it seemed me. It 75 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,040 just didn't look at me. I don't think it cared because I was one 76 00:06:17,079 --> 00:06:23,439 hundred and forty pounds, soaking wet, fifteen years old. So I don't 77 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,439 think it's too worried about me. Thank goodness, he didn't bump in them. 78 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,279 No, I think about now looking back now, big got me thinking 79 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,560 about it. It makes my voice shaking. Stuff like this, it's traumatizing 80 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:38,839 for sure. Oh, I'm sure it does make your voice shake. Yeah, 81 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:42,680 that's not going to give you the warm and fuzzies. Back when we 82 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,720 did that first show, your favorite place to research was the Daniel Boo National 83 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,120 Forest. Is that still your favorite place to go look for them? It 84 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:55,639 is, But I have a hard time finding somebody that will which of course, 85 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,279 I've got kids, and you know, I'm a dad. So I 86 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,279 got a saying. It's it's hard to find somebody that will dedicate the time 87 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,959 that I'm willing to dedicate, and that has the health to go in and 88 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:10,560 do what I do. Because when I go, I go. I'm not 89 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,680 trying to just walk around in the parking lot. I'm trying to go. 90 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,319 So yeah, it's hard to find people that wants to go do that. 91 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,000 But you know, every now and then I get I'll find somebody and we 92 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,720 go. But mainly I go down here near my house. I've had a 93 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,319 lot of encounters right here near home. I'll tell you what, Paul. 94 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,079 I've spoken with a lot of dogy and researchers, and I've got to give 95 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,600 you credit. You're all business when you head out. You don't mess around. 96 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:41,879 You're serious about this. Yeah, I'm always trying to improve the pictures 97 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:44,480 still, aren't you know? The pictures that we get in evidence that we 98 00:07:44,519 --> 00:07:46,720 get. You know, I've got a lot of track casts, a lot 99 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,160 of really large canine track casts. I've went into a lot of areas that 100 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,319 I probably had no business being in. I've been growled at, I've had 101 00:07:55,319 --> 00:07:59,959 a lot of encounters, I've been bluff charged, and I just keep stick 102 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,720 in my nose in those areas, of course, But that's what I go 103 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:07,040 down there for. So that's what I'm looking for, is that I want 104 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:09,319 to be able to show somebody, you know, when I tell the story 105 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,720 and they all, I guess probably we stand back to my bed and I'm 106 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,120 laughing and want to code them. Had I been able to show a picture 107 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,560 of what I've seen, it have been different. You mentioned the pictures of 108 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,399 footprints, and you've got your fear of share of photos of dogmen themselves. 109 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,920 You get results when you go out. What do you think it is about 110 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,879 how you conduct yourself out there that is responsible for you getting so much good 111 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:37,919 evidence? You know? That's what I tell people. The good pictures and 112 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:43,000 stuff are just right on the other side of that or flight feeling, you 113 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:45,679 know, like, because that feeling will come over you. You go down 114 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,600 into the areas that I go into, you go three times at least once 115 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,679 you're going to come across that feeling that you need to get out of there. 116 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:54,919 And if you stay, you know, you end up getting someone came 117 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,799 or whether you get growed out or something thrown at you, or something just 118 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,639 gets mad and stomps around, something will happen. Not many people who can 119 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,240 have the nerve to stay there and stay put when all that's going on and 120 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:09,960 get that great photo. So you must have a lot of sin. I'm 121 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,519 telling you no, not a lot of people will, even the people that 122 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,600 have been with me when I went down, or they don't. They'll go 123 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,360 back if I really really need them to, but they don't really want to 124 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,320 go back, you know, And I guess I don't blame them. If 125 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,960 I wasn't looking for the answers I'm looking for, I probably wouldn't go back 126 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,759 either. You after talking about all the secarity experiences that you've had with some 127 00:09:31,799 --> 00:09:35,440 of those people, I can understand why they would want to come back. 128 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:39,840 If you've had a dog me an encounter would like to speak with me about 129 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:43,240 it, whether I'm private or on this show, please go to dog mean 130 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,799 encounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and 131 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,080 would like to be a guest on one of my two Bigfoot shows. Please 132 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,879 go to my Bigfoot sighting dot com and let me know. All right, 133 00:09:54,919 --> 00:10:00,360 Paul, since you're on episode three fifty four, you've had several new experiences. 134 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Please talk us through those now. Well, I met Kyle from episode 135 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:11,679 three sixty three about a year and a half ago, two years ago, 136 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,120 and I went up with him and met him and we went out fishing on 137 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,559 his boat. You know, he showed me where he had the encounters and 138 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,639 stuff and we could he could be fishing. Well, we got out on 139 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,759 the boat and we were on our way back for the night, headed toward 140 00:10:26,879 --> 00:10:31,399 the boat dock, and he was just trolling along. We weren't he wasn't 141 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:35,759 allowed or anything, and we just heard a racket like I mean, just 142 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:39,399 branches being broke and stuff. It was off to our left and he was 143 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,559 played about a hundred yards to the shore to our left, and we were 144 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,120 like in a little uh let like I guess like a conensula or somebody. 145 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,480 I don't know what you would call it, but you know, we were 146 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,279 probably about a hundred yards from the docking and it was probably by a hundred 147 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,799 yards to our left the shore was, but whatever it was come off the 148 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:01,840 mountain and it was breaking stuff and it was it sounded like it was mad 149 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:05,960 whatever it was, but it hit the water. Whatever it was, I 150 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,879 mean, we found out later what it was. You know, it came 151 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:11,759 off that bank and hit the water and came right towards the boat. So 152 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:16,000 I stood up, pulled the firearm and was standing there. He was kind 153 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,840 of freaking out too, which his encounter. I don't blame him, but 154 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,120 I had my farm pulled and was standing there. I was ready to shoot 155 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,240 the rounds into the water. But yeah, it ended up being ducks, 156 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,279 thankfully. But you know, I've never seen ducks at twelve one o'clock and 157 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:35,120 I want to come out like that, come out of the woods and out 158 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,080 of the trees and stuff. It wasn't even in trees, they were in 159 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,720 the woods. They come off the ground. So they hit the water hard 160 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,639 to like. It sounded like a grown man run down and hit the water. 161 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:48,879 So yeah, that that's just one that happened shortly right after I did 162 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,360 that interview. And then I've been rowed at near my house at this boat 163 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,639 dock on the river on the Kentucky River. Yeah, I went down and 164 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:03,480 the day before I had went down and I walked out, took my backpack 165 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,519 off because there was a creek that runs out to the river, but it 166 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,879 runs right through this river bottom. So I walked out to the point there 167 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:13,440 for where I would have had to have jumped over to the other side, 168 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,679 and at that time you could the water wasn't up high. But I stopped 169 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,480 on that little point on the sand bar and was pulling out my stuff, 170 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:22,399 get my camera and stuff ready, you know, attaching the stuff to my 171 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,240 phone. And I looked up and there was a dog man. I'm assuming 172 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,519 it's one of the dog you know. They all looked very strange. None 173 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,559 of them looked like you think they would. But it was on all fours 174 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,279 and it was walking down the beach on the other side, looking at me, 175 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,919 and it didn't look like it was too concerned that I was there. 176 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,120 But it had a mountain lion look and had that black you know that went 177 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,000 down around its nose and stuff that it had big tall ears that stuff about 178 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:50,399 six or seven inches, and it was just a big body. I'd said 179 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:54,960 it probably weigh two one hundred fifty pounds, but yeah, I didn't have 180 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,559 nothing ready. I was standing there holding all my stuff in my hands, 181 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,039 just looking at it, and it made a lad went up the bank and 182 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,600 then into the tree line. But that same day I got some really good 183 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:13,480 pictures and I went home and I was showing one of my friends the pictures 184 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,480 and he was intrigued. He didn't believe me while I was crazy talking about 185 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,960 these things, so he wanted to go back with him for seeing us pictures. 186 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:22,559 Was the next day. I got out of the card I mean, 187 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,360 and got everything ready then, you know, I was ready to go. 188 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,399 I had everything set up that way. When I got out there, all 189 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:31,039 I do is hit record, you know, a way they didn't catch me 190 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:35,919 slipping again. So I got out there and hit record, and I seen 191 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,519 something over in that creek and it was about ten It was about fifteen foot 192 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,600 probably to the actual down to the creek, but I could see the top 193 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,399 of something's head. And I told him, I was like, Mike came 194 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,840 here. I said, it real quiet, just like that said Mike came 195 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,360 here. And we were walking on the sand, so whatever were there didn't 196 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:58,399 hear us walk in. It was very quiet, really quiet day. And 197 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,120 he took about three steps towards me from my left and something crowd at us 198 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,759 from my right. Now in the video that I have, you know, 199 00:14:05,799 --> 00:14:09,480 you can hear it really well, and if you watch, it looks like 200 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:13,360 I ran, But I really didn't run. I just dropped the camera from 201 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,919 babies on a monopod or whatever. So I dropped it from vehicle down the 202 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:22,159 horizontal. I pulled my firearm and backed up about thirty steps and I stood 203 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,039 there and kept recording. Now, I didn't get whatever it was on camera 204 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:28,960 as I did, I just wasn't able to see it. But yeah, 205 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,639 it was very frightened him. It frightened him pretty good. And it just 206 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:35,720 shocked me more than anything, because in my mind that's what I'm there for. 207 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,600 Though it may as well set up and wavedness, the way I look 208 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:43,159 at it it let me know, you know, I know, while you're 209 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,720 here, is pretty much the way I took it. That I think I 210 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,799 talked about, you know, being bluff charged down here. It's just preserved. 211 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,159 So I mean, I've had thanks throwing at me down here hard to 212 00:14:56,639 --> 00:15:00,360 being hit like. Whatever it was, it was very accurate. Whatever it 213 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:05,399 fell with sticks and stuff and rocks, and we had I'm sure everybody's listening, 214 00:15:05,559 --> 00:15:09,440 probably a lot of guys, probably a deer hunt and have startled a 215 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:13,240 deer. If you walk up on the big bug and turning the rut in 216 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,440 his spots, he'll blow really hard and then run off at six ways saying 217 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:20,240 you know, I see you, and letting everything else and the woods know 218 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:24,879 you're there. But whatever it was, it it sounds just like a deer. 219 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,759 But that's the only thing I can compare it to. It was blowing 220 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,480 really hard and pacing back and forth about thirty yards to the right and about 221 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,360 thirty yards back to the left, and it was stomping and breaking branches, 222 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:39,440 and it was just blowing. Whatever it was was very angry that we were 223 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:43,039 there, and it's throwing things, and it was just out of eyesight too, 224 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,679 And I was afraid of approach him closer because whatever it wasn't very mad. 225 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,919 So I mean, we've had just just quite a few little encounters like 226 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:56,919 that, not meaning, thankfully, have we had any of that we were 227 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,480 in real danger, you know, We've had a couple where it could have 228 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:03,600 been it could have been really bad. I didn't experience any in for sound 229 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,960 Boy whatever growd, But now I could feel it my chest for sure. 230 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,519 Whatever it was that growled was closed and it was very large. I've listened 231 00:16:12,559 --> 00:16:17,279 to just a bunch of different growls over the last year and a half. 232 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:21,440 I've listened to tigers and lines, and you know, I've listened to bears 233 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:23,519 and just trying to figure out, you know what it came close to me 234 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:30,440 and probably a line, you know, an African line or a tiger probably 235 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,159 is closest that I've heard that matches the sound, the deep growl that it 236 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,480 came. You know, it was just it wasn't from there. Whatever that 237 00:16:37,679 --> 00:16:41,120 was was not from Kentucky. You know, it was not native or something 238 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:45,559 we know about. I'd say it's a safe bet that it wasn't. No, 239 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:48,240 it wasn't. It wasn't from Kentucky. Or if it was, it 240 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,679 wasn't nothing that's in any book I've ever seen or read. Yeah, i'd 241 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,720 see not. You've got a YouTube channel of your own where you post a 242 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:02,519 lot of the picks and videos. So you're just talking about what's your channel's 243 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:07,400 name. It's a Kentucky document project. It's fairly new. I've only had 244 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,319 the channel, the YouTube channel. I got a Facebook group Ukey Dogman Project. 245 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,400 But the YouTube channel's only about four months old probably, and I've got 246 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,759 quite a few videos on there, so anybody wants to go check that out, 247 00:17:19,759 --> 00:17:22,200 it's well worth it. There's a bunch of short videos on there too, 248 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,720 so I mean there's a I've gathered a lot of evidence over the years, 249 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,559 you know. I've done a lot of research with a lot of big 250 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:36,319 names like Renee Wilson. I think she's been on your channel before. I've 251 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,599 researched with her. I've researched with Kurt Stokes, I've been out with a 252 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,319 few people. I've made a lot of good people and had a lot of 253 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:48,920 good times doing this. For it to have been such a stress on my 254 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:53,319 life, being able to go out with people that's had similar encounters and stuff, 255 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,240 it's really helped me out a lot over the years. So I don't 256 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:03,400 want to say I enjoy it, but it's fun doing it with somebody like 257 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,880 my girlfriend, who totally understands everything and she knows on my line. She's 258 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,519 seen the things and she's pulled thorns out of my head where I tried to 259 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:14,960 climb a thorn tree after I got bluff charge, So yeah, she knows. 260 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:18,039 I'm not kidding around. Was it a hawthorn tree you tried to climb? 261 00:18:18,799 --> 00:18:22,279 Well, it was. The tree didn't have thorns on it, but 262 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,039 there was a vine growing around it that had one inch thorns. They were 263 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,680 big sharp ones too, And wow, I got. I heard a dog 264 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,640 the heark and it sounded like it was about pay fifty sixty yards away, 265 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,319 and I didn't When it barked, I thought, man, that's a big 266 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,039 dog, you know, like, I thought, wow. And then when 267 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:44,319 it barked again, it sounded closer to me, and it sounded louder. 268 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,160 I've never heard anything like this. And then it barked again and was closer. 269 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,279 So, like I said, I had that shotgun with me because that's 270 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:52,519 usually what I carried. And I was along, of course, like I 271 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:57,279 shouldn't have been. But the first thing that hit my mind was there was 272 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,400 somebody down there was a because I was in nature preserve and there was a 273 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:06,160 hiking trail in the area. But it wasn't a well known like a lot 274 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,200 of people don't know about it. But the name of its the Gym Beam 275 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:12,319 Nature Preserve. You can look it up, you know, it ain't a 276 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,319 secret. Now now you can't go down there. They got a gate up. 277 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:18,400 I don't know why they have that gate up, but they do. 278 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,839 But whatever that was was coming fast and hard through the trees, and I 279 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,839 was standing in the opening in the field kind of and I was about thirty 280 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,920 yards twenty thirty yards from the tree line, and it was coming fast. 281 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:33,039 So I turned around and tried to climb that tree because in my mind, 282 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:37,960 all I could picture was what one of those slugmags would do to somebody's domestic 283 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:40,920 dog, and I didn't want to have to explain that. So I was 284 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,960 going to hit that tree and try climb it. But that tree, for 285 00:19:44,079 --> 00:19:47,440 one, would have ever held me without the thorns. But those thorns was 286 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,359 dug in my hand. And this while then you were doing the last interview 287 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:55,319 a couple of years ago. I had those stores in my head and in 288 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,880 my hand at that time. I hadn't had them dug out yet because it 289 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:03,200 had just happened the day prior. But whatever it was came right to that 290 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:07,480 tree line and dead stop, and it never made another sound because I spun 291 00:20:07,559 --> 00:20:10,079 around with that shotgun because I knew I couldn't get that tree, and I 292 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,359 was just gonna whatever it was was about to eat some lead, make peace 293 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,319 with it, and was gonna blast it off his earth, but it stopped 294 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,279 dead, and it then came out. It didn't come out, and I 295 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,759 backtracked the way I come in and eased my way out of there. I 296 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,599 thought, when I get to the parking line, I'll find out who's here. 297 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:30,759 I got there and there was nobody there but my car. So yeah, 298 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:36,799 it was pretty scary. I'm sure it was. Yeah, it sounds 299 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,519 like it. And one inch thorns, that's no joke, No, yeah, 300 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:45,000 not at all. Of all the times, even been in their presence, 301 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:48,839 which encounter would you point to as being the most frightening one? That 302 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:55,160 one that bluff charge, because I just I only over it fairly. Quit 303 00:20:55,279 --> 00:20:56,920 this now. But I'm pretty sure I talked about it in the last interview, 304 00:20:57,039 --> 00:21:00,920 but that one was coming towards me, you know, like the other 305 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,839 one I seen, and it was walking away from me, you know, 306 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:08,759 And even though it was scary, it just wasn't like this and this one 307 00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:11,240 here, I knew in my mind, I'm about had to deal with this, 308 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,160 you know. There ain't no getting away from it. This is coming 309 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:17,000 right at me and I'm gonna have to deal with it. So yeah, 310 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:21,920 it was a different kind of fear. Whatever it was, I'm sure if 311 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,680 it's got any intelligence, it had to have got a kick out of what 312 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:29,240 it done to me. So it scared me. Like you walk up on 313 00:21:29,279 --> 00:21:32,319 a big rattle snake in the woods or something and get too close before you 314 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,799 see it, you needs will get weak. And that's kind of how I 315 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,000 felt it was. And it was just it was definitely scary, you know, 316 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,799 like it for me to try to find me at thorn Bush. I 317 00:21:41,839 --> 00:21:44,359 don't know what got into me. I should have just dealt with it, 318 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,400 however, but yeah, I didn't. I dealt with it wrong. I 319 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,759 got a good look at myself and what not to do, and I realized 320 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,720 that something may go wrong one of these times and I may have to deal 321 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:57,359 with it. So, you know, it was the open experience. Yeah, 322 00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:03,160 that time scary. Everyone's got a plan until they get hit. Sounds 323 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,440 like you got hit that day. Yeah, I think that's what you said 324 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:11,119 last time. I think you said Mike Tyson said that everybody's got a plane, 325 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,680 they get punching them out. That's right. Yeah, they normally do, 326 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,039 from what I understand, Paul, your views regarding their capabilities have changed 327 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:25,160 please expand on that for us. Well, the last interview we did, 328 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,440 I was certain that these were fleshing blood. I used to laugh at people 329 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:33,839 who talked about cloaking and who talked about the woe factor of all this stuff, 330 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,880 And you know, I just laughed at all that stuff because I was 331 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,519 finding tracks. I was finding scatt I was finding every time I would see 332 00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:45,559 when on video they would have gnats around their face like a normal dog. 333 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:49,799 They just everything I had been seeing up until that point was flesh and blood, 334 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,039 is what it led me to believe. And then I started getting better 335 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,799 equipment to record with and just better stuff. And I started learning more as 336 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:03,480 I went what to look for when I was watching video, and you know, 337 00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:08,200 we're viewing footage, and I started seeing orbs. And I say orbs 338 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,000 because you can tell the difference because when a bug goes by a leaf, 339 00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:15,680 it don't light it up. You know, these orbs they were literally lighting 340 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,279 the leaves up as they went by them, and stuff, and I started 341 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:25,400 seeing cloaked. They were cloaked. And the picture quality of the video that 342 00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:29,400 I had because my phone. I got an OPhone and you can put it 343 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,720 on four K and improve the picture and I also had a binocular that attaches 344 00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:37,880 to I'm sure you see them advertised, but it attaches to your phone, 345 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,720 so I had that on there as well. So the picture quality was just 346 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,079 insanely good. So you could just see the distortion that they caused and how 347 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,960 they made the grass behind them blurry. And I just started seeing some that 348 00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:55,960 had heads. You could see them in the trees, like from a distance, 349 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:56,960 you could see them in the trees, and their heads looked like they 350 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,799 were as big as the hood of a car, you know, And I 351 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,160 know that there's no possible way in real life that's something like that's there. 352 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:08,359 So I just started seeing a lot of things in which I'm sure most researchers 353 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,960 will ignore because they don't want to go that route or they don't want to 354 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,119 acknowledge it and talk about it and get involved in that, in which I 355 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,279 understand, but I won't do that. I'm going to tell you what I 356 00:24:18,319 --> 00:24:22,759 see, and I'm gonna show it to you. I may not like it, 357 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,039 but that's just the reality of it. There is a supernatural side to 358 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,240 this. They are flesh and blood ones too, I also believe, But 359 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,759 there is a supernatural side, you know, whether they're in a different dimension 360 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:37,119 or a realm, or they're dead. I don't know, you know, 361 00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:41,240 but they are in a different dimension I think personally, but I think it 362 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:45,599 overlays hours. Like I used to when I thought of a dimension, I 363 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:51,759 would think of it's something far off instead of a dimension that overlaid our dimension, 364 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,039 you know. So I just came. I came a long way and 365 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,960 talked to a lot of different people, and I sat with Scott Carpenter for 366 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:02,559 probably an hour at a convention. I got to sit and talk to him 367 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:07,119 and just me and him, set and talking. He has seen my videos 368 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,079 and pictures and stuff. You knewho I was, so yeah, I've got 369 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,400 to talk to him and just a few people that are well known in the 370 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,720 field. I've got to set and pick their brains and stuff. I've been 371 00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,079 very fortunate when it come to that. It sure sounds like, yeah, 372 00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:23,319 I've been. There's a place called Corbin in Kentucky that holds a unique distinction 373 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,359 for you when it comes to dog men. Please talk us through that. 374 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:33,880 Well, the Corbin Areas, Now, that's where Kurt Stokes has done a 375 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,839 lot of research and stuff and has pulled a lot of video and evidence out 376 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:45,640 there that that has made him known. You know, like it's the area. 377 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,839 You couldn't find it really unless you know somebody pointed it out to you 378 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,799 or told you about it. But it's in that area of southeast Kentucky, 379 00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,240 you know, right in the foot Deels, but it's a national park. 380 00:25:56,839 --> 00:26:00,720 It's right on the outskirts. You passed it Daniel Boone that for a sign 381 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:06,319 and then you know it's just barely inside the park. So it's just an 382 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,240 eerie place to me. When I go in there, I can just feel 383 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,799 it that the ground is. You know, they say the Indians wouldn't the 384 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:18,759 Indians wouldn't stay there, they would just hunt and move on. So there's 385 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,920 a reason for that. And if I could tell you some of the names 386 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,559 of the place, you would understand what I'm talking about. But yeah, 387 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,559 it's a it's just a different place. It's got a different feel from any 388 00:26:29,599 --> 00:26:33,119 other place I've ever been. And if you know who Kurt Stokes is and 389 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,519 then watched his videos and you understand, what do you think it is about 390 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,039 that erie that makes us so attractive to dog men? I think it ain't 391 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,359 just that place. I think it's just all national parks. It's protected by 392 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,680 the government or whoever, the National Park Service or whoever. You know that 393 00:26:48,759 --> 00:26:53,359 it's just protected land, you know. So I think they just have I 394 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,039 don't know. I think they feel safe there maybe, or maybe it has 395 00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:59,920 something to do with the granite or the limestone. Because it's all cliffs and 396 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,920 caves and overhangs, so there's a lot of good reasons to be there if 397 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:04,759 you are a dog man. If I was a dog man, that's where 398 00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:10,000 i'd be. Yeah, it's it's just really rough terrain. You've got to 399 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,960 be in good shape to go any distance there. You've got to be in 400 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:17,319 good shaped. Does sound like an awfully creepy please? I wonder if you 401 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,240 like it so much. How far do you live from the LPL Paul. 402 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,000 I live right in the center of the state right now. I live just 403 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200 south Alaks and came about fifteen minutes, so I live about three hours four 404 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,599 hours from Lambquin of Lakes. That's pretty far. Have you done anyr research 405 00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:38,240 there? No, I haven't. I haven't got a chance to go down 406 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,599 there. I would have to have somebody go with me. I've heard a 407 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,839 lot of people talk about also, the man of the cave area and it 408 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,640 being really like a really big hot spot. I've heard quite a few tales 409 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,920 come out there that are, you know, situations I wouldn't want to be 410 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,359 in. Yeah, definitely I can relate to that. I've heard some pretty 411 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,160 creepy stories. Yeah. Do you have any opinions on the murderers that allegedly 412 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:08,039 happened in the LBL. I do. I don't personally believe it. I 413 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:14,160 don't believe any of the stories I believe. I mean, I don't think 414 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,079 anybody knows the real truth. I think a family was probably killed there, 415 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,720 and it probably wasn't crypted, that don't it. But I don't think anybody 416 00:28:21,799 --> 00:28:26,519 knows. I don't think anybody was there and survived. Maybe the police officers 417 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,640 did go back and tell you know, maybe a couple of these other big 418 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,319 name researchers didn't know something that everybody else don't. But I personally don't believe 419 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,720 that anybody survived and we had to tell about it thirty years later or four 420 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,960 years later. It really does make you wonder if there's something behind those stories. 421 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,359 You never know, Well, people want to believe that stuff. People 422 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,720 want a good story. Maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, it's hard to say. 423 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,279 I guess we're never going to know. Haven't had as many run ins 424 00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:00,599 with dog mins he half over the years. Think how dangerous they are is 425 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,400 over a soldier, You think it's actually accurate when people represent them as being 426 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,839 kill you on site monsters. I think they will warn you, and if 427 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,400 you ignore those warnings, something bad that's happened to you. I think they're 428 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,359 probably diverse, just like everybody else you might run up on. One has 429 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,720 lost its mom, or it's girl, it's kid, or anything could happened 430 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,680 to anybody having a bad day. You know, you never know. You 431 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,680 know, it could be shot at. You're carrying a gun in its home, 432 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,200 you know, So you just never know what you're going to run up 433 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,640 on. But I do believe they will give you a warning. And if 434 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,000 you don't listen or take heat and David Plotty's to be talking about you, 435 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,839 you read some good points, you never know. It might have gotten up 436 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,440 on the wrong side of the log that morning. It's hard to say the 437 00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,880 fact that you got looking for them says you have a certain level of comfort 438 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,599 being their presence. Does that mean you still do everything in the woods you 439 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,680 used to do before you found out about them being out there. Well, 440 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,279 where I'm from, we used to do a lot of riverbank fishing, you 441 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,759 know, on the Tug River which separates West Virginia from Kentucky. You know, 442 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,240 my dad was really big fisherman and deer hunting stuffing. Just so am 443 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,759 I. I still am, But I can't really enjoy myself and set with 444 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,440 my back to the tree line anymore. I'm always looking over my shoulder and 445 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,079 I'm more of a bass fisherman now in the daytime. I don't really I 446 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:26,759 don't really like going down to the river at night and sitting like I used 447 00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:30,960 to. It just ain't the same anymore. Even deer hunting anymore. You 448 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:33,680 know, I can deer hunt, but it's always in the back of my 449 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:37,000 mind, you know, like I said before, it's it'll always be there 450 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:38,880 every day. It was everyone eating the days my kids were born. You 451 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,039 know, I got three kids. You know, every day, every day 452 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:44,559 it's in my mind. You know, there's never a day goes by where 453 00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:48,839 I'm not thinking about it. Unfortunately, there's life before you knew they were 454 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,839 out there. In life after, you're definitely in the ladder category. Yeah, 455 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:59,200 yeah, it does change things. Every time I turn around, it 456 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,480 seems like someone complaining about the lack of dog men pictures and evidence being out 457 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:07,279 there. You've had good luck getting pictures of them, though. Let's show 458 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,839 some of those picks now. As I show them one by one, please 459 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:17,079 tell us a story behind each one, all right. The first picture is 460 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,200 the day before we got growled at. You know, it's the first time 461 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,000 I ever had that binocular hooked to my phone and went down there. The 462 00:31:23,119 --> 00:31:26,759 day that that one was walking down the beach and I wasn't ready. But 463 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,400 this is the same day this picture is, and it's got a blue arrow 464 00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:34,920 over top of its head, and you can see it clear as day looking 465 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,799 at me in it's standing about eye level, about six foot tall, and 466 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,359 you can see it's ear sticking up, you know, you can see both 467 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,880 eye just it's pretty self explainatory. It was really green. This was around 468 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:49,759 I think July, so it was really green and really hot and money down 469 00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:53,000 there, and there was a lot of activity going on. And usually when 470 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,960 I go into an area, the first day I will get a lot of 471 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,680 good pictures and I'll get a good tracks, and then the next time I 472 00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:06,160 go in, all that kind of comes to it stopped. You know, 473 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,359 they kind of see what I'm doing and know what I'm there for, I 474 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,960 believe, so they know what to steer away from. So yeah, that 475 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,960 picture is pretty self explainatory. I mean when you look at it, you'll 476 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,599 be able to see it really well. So and then the next picture is 477 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,240 just a close up of that pictures where you can see it better. So 478 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,319 when I post pictures, I'll usually post the original distance and then I'll post 479 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:28,319 a close up picture with it so you know, you get a better look 480 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:32,759 at it. And then the next picture is not a dog man, but 481 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,039 I'll be honest with you, I don't know what it is. It looks 482 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,839 big in the picture, but it's this thing is about three foot tall three 483 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,079 or four foot tall, and it appears to be humanoid with a bald head. 484 00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,920 And it's pretty frightening looking though. You know, even though it's not 485 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,359 dog man, this was a dog man area and I had a lot of 486 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,279 activity in this area. So whatever that is, you know, it's either 487 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,200 standing in that tree, it's on something back that. Yeah, you will 488 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,200 see it really well. And this fourth picture is one of my favorites. 489 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,400 It's kind of got a yellowish tint to it, and it's got a red 490 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,079 arrow pointing down at the dog man. But yeah, this this one was 491 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,160 right off the road down here at this boat lamp, and it's looking right 492 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,319 at me, of course, and it's probably one of the more frightening pictures 493 00:33:22,359 --> 00:33:24,559 that I have for me to have been standing there and I didn't see it 494 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,680 and it's right in my face. So yeah, people are to enjoy that 495 00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:34,519 one. And then the last one is one of my favorites. Also. 496 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,200 It's got green glowing eyes. It's unmistakable, you know, when you look 497 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,359 at it, you'll see it's all five of these pictures are really really good. 498 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,200 But yeah, some of them are really frightening to me even to work 499 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,440 out right now because I was right there in the face and didn't see him. 500 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,400 That just goes to show you you walk right by him, I'm not 501 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:02,680 seeing. But yeah, it's these pictures are better pictures than out I don't 502 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,680 know, and I'm not putting in there's there's a lot of good researchers out 503 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:13,559 there, and they do good work, but I personally haven't seen pictures you 504 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,760 know, that are as good as the pictures that I have. I hate 505 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,880 to pat myself on the back or whatever. You know, I put in 506 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,480 a lot of work, in a lot of hours doing this. You know, 507 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,000 I don't I get lightly so you know, I think that's why I 508 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,320 get the results that I get. It in just a hobby. To me, 509 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,360 this is real life, this is what I do. But yeah, 510 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,719 these pictures are really good pictures. That's not bragging at all. You've put 511 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,440 in a lot of hard working. Those pictures are just proof that it's paid 512 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,079 off. So you deserve credit for that. Yeah, and Vic, you 513 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,880 know, like when I post a picture, if I post a picture, 514 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,360 I found that if I put dogment at the talk of the picture, it 515 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,880 gives people room to argue with me. You know, you're never gonna make 516 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,800 everybody happy as well, you know that. But you know if I put 517 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,920 dogment at the top of the picture when I post it, then somebody's gonna 518 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,639 come on there or ide about, man, that's a tree or that's that. 519 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,840 So I just post the pictures, and you know, I don't say 520 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,639 anything. I just let people come to their own conclusions and their own I 521 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,840 just let people make up their own mind on what they see. I probably 522 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,719 got one hundred and fifty pictures on my phone that are decent pictures, but 523 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,000 I post them all in my Facebook group, They're all on my YouTube channel 524 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,280 and stuff, so you know, anybody that wants to go and look at 525 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,519 them is welcome, you know, And every picture is not going to be 526 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,639 crystal clear, and you're not going to get you know, there's always going 527 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:37,159 to be room for somebody to argue. But I'm happy with them. And 528 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:43,840 there's a lot of people that follow me that enjoy real results instead of just 529 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,000 a scary story or whatever. Like you said, you do get real results, 530 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,400 no denying that. For anyone who'd like to visit your YouTube channel, 531 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,079 which I hope they will, I'm going to post links to it in your 532 00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,079 Facebook page in the description for tonight show. Got to make it really easy 533 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:06,519 to find them. Awesome, Thank you glad to do it. Here's a 534 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:10,119 fun question for you time and again to hear about dog Me and researchers heading 535 00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:14,719 into the woods looking for these guys, only to run for their lives the 536 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,360 moment they actually see one. What are your thoughts on that, you know, 537 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,599 I don't know. I don't know why I'm going down or looking for 538 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:29,079 him, So unless it's chasing me, I'm not running and leaving. So 539 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:32,360 it's got to be really, really frightening. It's got to be trying to 540 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,920 run me off really strong for me to leave, Otherwise I'm going to stay 541 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,239 there and get it on camera. So in order for it to get ahold 542 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,400 of me, it's going to have to come at you on camera. I'm 543 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,159 going down there looking for him. I put a lot of time and askering 544 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,840 this. I'm not going to I'm not going to run. You know what 545 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,920 the first chance act to see one. Well, your pictures and videos are 546 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,920 evidence of that. There proof Before I ask you for your closing comments, 547 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,519 Paul, you've checked so many things off of it. What's still left wing? 548 00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:07,320 Your dog me and bucket list. I mean, I've got one standing 549 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,320 on two legs, but it was before I got this binocular or these attachments 550 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,559 from my phone and stuff. And I don't like using a video camera because 551 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,280 I could be able to review footage on the spot if I need to, 552 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,239 so I can do that with my cell phone. So I just wanted to 553 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,719 figure out a way to get better quality with using your phone. And there 554 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,639 is a lot of attachments and a lot of things you can buy that makes 555 00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:37,079 the picture quality better. So My girlfriend has ordered quite a few things for 556 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,920 me that's improved the quality of the pictures and stuff. I'm always trying new 557 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,159 things, and I'm just always trying new stuff, and it's about having patience 558 00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:51,079 and being able to sit down and review the footage and look through it because 559 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,239 these things are I don't even know how to put it into words, for 560 00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:00,079 the camouflage and the techniques they use, and they've got nothing but time to 561 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,000 sphere on how to hide from us, so it's hard. Sometimes you got 562 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:07,400 to record over your shoulder a lot. The menute you turn your head, 563 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,840 they'll move. So yeah, there's just a lot of techniques and a lot 564 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,079 of things to do. I don't want to get stuck in a rut. 565 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,320 I guess you know. I don't want to just getting a rut, and 566 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,480 I'm afraid of doing that, so I'm always trying to improve what I'm doing. 567 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,480 Well, you know the old adage, you're either getting better or getting 568 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:28,159 worse or whatever it is you're doing. So it's good to hear you're concerned 569 00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:31,480 about self improvement. What's about time for us to get out of here before 570 00:38:31,559 --> 00:38:36,440 we do you do you have any clothing commons you'd like to share. Yeah, 571 00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,719 I mean, I said, I've got the YouTube channel. Anybody that 572 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,000 wants to go look at these pictures and stuff. If anybody wants to go 573 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,800 to the Facebook group and join, just answer the questions. If nobody's going 574 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,159 to take two seconds to answer a couple of questions, and you're not gonna 575 00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,119 take two seconds to look at a picture. We don't put up with no 576 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,840 laughing emojis and all that crazy stuff. You know, we just don't have 577 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,480 time for I don't have time to argue. I've got so much going on. 578 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,840 I just don't have the time to argue with people or why people virtues 579 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,760 to going whatever it is that they do on there. You know, people 580 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,920 say all kinds of crazy stuff sometimes, and I've noticed that it'll be on 581 00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:15,280 the best pictures too. I've noticed that somebody will be in my group for 582 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,559 six months and they'll never like or comment or do anything. And when I 583 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:21,840 post a really good picture, all of a sudden, they're really active and 584 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,119 they're disliking it and laughing, and they've got a smart comment to say. 585 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,960 So, I mean, some things are just strange. But yeah, anybody 586 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,119 who wants to come to the group, I welcome anybody. I don't hide 587 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:35,639 anything I do. I'm not competing with anybody. Everything I do. I'm 588 00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,199 just open about it. I'll share any information I have. That's what I'm 589 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,280 doing it for. I don't need to tell you. As sure as a 590 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,440 shame they're assuming the negative people in this community, but that's how it is. 591 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,280 Yeah, I think it is a shame. Oh definitely, well, 592 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,320 Paul, I can't thank you enough for coming back on and updating us on 593 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,320 those experiences. I really appreciate it. No problem to it. I appreciate 594 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,559 you. It goes two ways. If I can never help you in the 595 00:40:01,679 --> 00:40:06,719 future, then by all means, please let me know. But having said 596 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,199 that, thanks against much for your time and have a great night.