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Hi everyone, I'm Teleia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of

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Crimes and Consequences. I'm Tanya and
this is my lovely co host Talia.

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Hello, so today I have a
pretty good story to tell you, guys.

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But before I get into it,
I would just like to remind everyone

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have a pretty good story. Or
do you have a great great story?

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Yes, okay, she has a
great story. You know, I didn't

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want to say exciting because people get
upset or you know, yeah, why

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is true crime exciting? True?
Yeah, I be exciting, right,

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it shouldn't be, I guess serious. We're being serious. But for a

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true crime story, this is excellent, yes right, yes, and it

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is a story that was suggested to
us by one of our listeners. Her

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name is Duanne Sanchez. Is she
a patron? No, she's not a

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patroon. She's a listener and she
sent us an email that's exactly when.

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But she suggested this case, okay, and I know nothing about it.

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Well good, then you're going to
be on the edge of your seat just

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like everyone else. All right,
right, let's do it. Okay.

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In the early morning hours of September
nineteenth of two thousand and eight, a

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passing motorist stopped to investigate what they
had found on the side of Northwest Tulip

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Street in and Over, Soda.
The concerned passer by found a crashed two

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thousand and four Kati m Ennerow Rendezvous
motorcycle. Okay, so it's a crash

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motorcycle on the side of the road
and with what appeared to be the lifeless

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body of a young woman lying roughly
about fifty feet from where the motorcycle crash

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was. It was fall in Minnesota, and Andover was just a few short

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miles from what's called the Halloween Capital
of the World. Oh really, I

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thought that was in Romeo, Michigan. I know, That's why I was

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surprised. But it's Anoka, Minnesota, Okay, the Halloween capital. So

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I guess it's probably big at Halloween, I would, Okay, Capital anyway,

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residents in the area, you know, the Halloween, they have just

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this passion for all things spooky,
So it's probably a good place to visit.

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And I'm mentioning it because the motorcycle, it didn't appear to be like

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decorations or like a Halloween set up, you know, with a skeleton like

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that body with the motorcycle. You
know, sometimes put people like in my

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neighborhood this past Halloween, people had
like a garbage bag looked like a body

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was like duct taped in a garbage
bag. Okay, this wasn't what appeared

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to be a Halloween decoration. It
just appeared to be a true gruesome accident.

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And it was discovered just past midnight, and the Anoka County Sheriff's Department

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was called and they arrived on the
scene. Investigators responded to the motorcycle accident.

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They began processing it. It was
appearent to some that there it's obviously

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a motorcycle accident in which the driver
of the motorcycle lost her life. Upon

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further investigation, investigators were asking themselves
like, well, how could this have

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happened? Something A lot of females
that are out there alone, rightcycle at

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midnight or a little before mid night, right, and some things just didn't

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seem to add up in their eyes. The young woman wasn't wearing any shoes.

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Well, that is weird, and
no shoes were found near the crash

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site. She also had no cuts, scrapes, or other markings on the

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soles of her feet. Yeah,
it's an accident on a motorcycle. Yeah,

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you know, you would expect to
see something because there's also like sharp

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footpegs on the motorcycles. So I
guess for your shoe. I've never been

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on one, but apparently so your
shoe can grip, you know, the

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where you would put in your feet. Well, if you've ever known anybody

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that's had a motorcycle accident, they're
pretty mussed up. Yes, you're gonna

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have road rash. Well, she's
missing some are missing legs. Well,

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she did have some injuries, but
they weren't to the soles of her feet.

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She was found with several wounds to
the back of her hands, as

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well as wounds to her forehead,
but again the injuries didn't seem consistent with

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where her body was found. In
relationship the motorcycle red tied down straps were

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also found wrapped around her body in
arms. What does that mean? They

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were these straps like for what?
Well, I'm gonna tell you. I'll

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tell you. Eventually, no identification, no cell phone was found or anything

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that could identify. You know,
there's nothing in her pockets, nothing that

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could identify this young woman. And
they didn't find anything even like scattered around

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so here, investigators are tasked with
piecing together this massive puzzle, like what

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happened to this woman? Who is
she? And how did she get there?

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I'm going to tell you about a
woman named Natasha Walin. She was

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also known as Tasha to her friends
and family. She was born in nineteen

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seventy nine in Minneapolis. Tasha grew
up with her parents and siblings in Anoka,

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Minnesota until her parents divorced, and
during her school age years, Tasha

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was to be very kind, extremely
smart, and she was a free spirit.

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After graduating from Anoka High School,
she moved on to complete her bachelor's

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and master's degrees. She loved the
outdoors. She's educated. She loved the

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outdoors. She would often go on
walks, visit parks. She enjoyed riding

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her motorcycle. She once traveled out
west for a week by herself to explore

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wow parts of the country I know. She worked full time at a company

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named Achieve Services, Inc. Which
was a training agency for disabled adults.

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She also worked as an acupuncturist nice
twenty hours a week at the family friendly

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chiropractic I Can't Talk Chiropractic Clinic in
nearby Andover. Friends and co workers stated

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that Tasha had an absolute heart of
gold, and she had a special quality

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that would let others know that she
seemed to be like truly interesting. Did

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and he didn't tell you? Sound
like just a free spirit. Yeah,

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just like a lovely person. And
she was always kind of the champion for

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the little guy or like the underdog, even when she was in school.

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While in high school at a Nooka
High School, Tasha met someone she thought

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was her prince charming. His name
was Ryan Boland. He was about five

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years older than Tasha, but he
was a smitten with her as she was

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with him. Isn't that illegal?
Yeah? Maybe? Yeah. Ryan was

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really charming and you know when he
wanted to be. Although some of Tasha's

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friends saw Ryan kind of a bully
and a little bit annoying. Tasha didn't

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let that get to her, right, she really kind of didn't even notice

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it. But she liked him.
Yeah, he showed her his softer side,

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and you know, that's what she
fell in love with. So she

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soon began to ignore, like anything
negative her friends said about him. And

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they had many things in common.
They both loved to ride motorcycles. Okay.

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As Tasha and Ryan began dating,
the relationship quickly became serious. So

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what is it like, it's seventeen
twenty three, yeah, year old,

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Yeah kind of thing. Yeah,
it wasn't like she was, you know,

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fourteen and he was nineteen. Yeah, okay, and not that it's

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you know anyway. Ryan came from
a loving family. His parents, Patrick

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and Sonya, both worked in education. His father, Patrick left the education

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field to begin his own construction company
called Bowlin Construction. The company was just

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a success from the start, so
they were wealthy. They lived in a

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big house in Anoka, and they
were able to spend their winters in their

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vacation home in Arizona. Nice.
Yeah, nice. Ryan always had nice

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cars he you know, that were
purchased by parents, and he seemed to

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always have money after he graduated from
Anoka High School his parents' money, Yes,

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his parents' money. After he attended
or after he graduated from high school.

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He attended college for a short time, but he ultimately decided to quit

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college and go work for his father's
construction company. I mean that just makes

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sense, right. A couple of
years into the relationship Ryan, the shine

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on Ryan seemed a dull at you
know, I started to losing a little

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bits of his charm to Tasha.
In October of nineteen ninety nine, and

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she's about twenty Okay. She'd been
out with some of her friends having a

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good time. Time got away from
her and she got home. And at

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this point, she's living with Ryan. Oh, they're living together in Arizona.

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No, they're in Minnesota. Yet
she got home later than he was

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expecting her to get home, so
he was passed. Okay, he was

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pissed that she was out later than
he thought she should have been, and

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he had buttered her when she got
home. And this happened in front of

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her friends when they dropped her off. Oh yeah, oh hell no.

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Yeah. Tasha's friends were shocked at
this act of violence, and they urged

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her to report it to police.
She did go to the police department to

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file a complaint, but she ended
up not pressing charges against Ryan for this

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abuse. The police deemed the situation
one in which, you know, abuse

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had clearly happened, so they arrested
him anyway. Oh good, Yeah,

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he was quickly released from jail.
He returned home in two thousand and three,

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so this is like four years later. Tashall learned that she was pregnant

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with her She's still with him,
She's still with him, Yes, she's

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still with him. She learned she's
pregnant with her and Ryan's first child,

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and it was going to be a
daughter. They've been together a long time,

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yeah, exactly, they've been together. It's probably been seven years.

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And I'm not going to say the
name of the child, like for real,

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but we're gonna call her Samantha.
So little Samantha was born in the

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summer of two thousand and four,
and both families just adored this new addition.

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I mean, she's the first grandchild, right for both families, and

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Ryan and Tasha were super excited.
They moved into a new home that same

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year, and this now was Tasha's
first home that was like actually in her

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name so she was really excited about
that, and she was excited to raise

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her daughter there. As they were
spending their first Christmas in their new home,

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Tasha confided in her mother about more
abuse that had been taking place.

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Knew it behind closed doors, yes, even just headbut somebody once. No.

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She told mom that Ryan would frequently
hit her, choke her, and

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would do all of this in front
of little Samantha. At her mother's insistence,

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Tasha called the police after telling her
that Ryan had just hit her.

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Ryan left the house before police arrived, and he was never held accountable for

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that action. Mainally. Yeah,
and many friends just then begged Tasha to

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get help, get out, Yeah, get help, get out, but

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she always refused. And she's got
this new baby. Yeah, and she

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was just really afraid of what Ryan
would do if she'd get out. Yeah,

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because most of the murders occurred with
domestic violence. When domestic violence,

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I used to study and work at
a domestic violent shelter. Pregnancy is a

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trigger for violent men and they tend
to increase the violence and once a baby

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is born, huge trigger. Yeah, So I can only imagine what she

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was the control they start, like
if they wanted control before. Now that

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there's a baby, they have to
have control. That makes a lot of

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sense. Tasha and Ryan's relationship then
soon to become It quickly became like an

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on again, off again relationship.
Tasha loved Ryan and she wanted their family

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to be together, but she would
sometimes distance herself when the abuse became increasingly

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worse. Like she's trying, right, trying, and then he's bad and

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honeymoon face, he's sweet as high
and it is a peach saying it would

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never happen again. And you know, I'm so sorry, and you know,

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I'm sure that whatever you need me
to do. But during the times

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that Tasha left, Ryan acted as
though he was single. He would casually

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date multiple women while trying to woo
Tasha back and married. Yeah, but

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Tasha didn't do the same. She
couldn't easily just move on. Right after

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they reconciled, Ryan was still sometimes
seeing some of the women he had been

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seen better, of course, And
it seemed like Tasha knew this and was

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just ignoring it. And she really
just tried to make the relationship work for

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her kind of hard though, yeah, for her daughter. I mean,

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she tried. When he's got a
girlfriends. Yeah exactly. I mean,

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yeah, it's extremely difficult. Eventually, Tasha just became sick of Ryan's abuse

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and she started to take action now
to really separate herself and her daughter from

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him. Tasha confided in a coworker
on September sixteenth, two thousand and eight,

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that she was miserable with Ryan and
she planned to get orders of protection

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against him EPO or restraining order in
that state. Yeah, whatever's in Minnesota.

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In Michigan, it's PPL personal protection
order. This co worker had been

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in similarly abusive and a similarly abusive
relationship, and was able to give Tasha

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some advice on how to ensure that
she would retain custody of Samantha by Minnesota

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laws. The friend also helped Tasha
with debt consolidation paperwork, since Ryan had

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started to spend more and more of
their money to support his increasing Guess what

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drug habit drug? I was gonna
say drug or gambling or prostitutes? Yeah,

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right, the big three of usually
where money goes. Tasha then demanded

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that he move out of their house
by the end of September that year.

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The girlfriend of Tasha's brother was planning
on moving in with Tasha and Samantha like

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to help out for with expenses,
the monthly expenses, because oh wait,

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we get on now we get a
man moving in saying anything bad about Natasha.

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No, it was Tasha's brother's girlfriend. So it's a woman. I

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know. Oh woman, Okay,
Yanta, I'm sorry, probably said that

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awkwardly, right, you were fine. On the morning of Friday, September

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nineteenth, two thousand and eight,
Ryan received a call from Tasha's supervisor at

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Achieve letting him know that Tasha had
not made it to work. Yep,

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I don't know. Ryan told a
supervisor that he and Tasha had gotten into

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an argument the night before and she
had left the house on her motorcycle.

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He was certain, you know that
she would of course show up for work.

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And Ryan has Samantha at this point, so he gets her dressed for

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school, and after dropping Samantha off
for school that day, he went to

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Tasha's dad's house. Her father and
brother had already been notified that she was

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missing, and they were visibly upset. Ryan reiterated to them that they he

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had this argument with Tasha and she
left on her motorcycle. On her motorcycle,

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I don't know anything more exactly.
She never came back. She never

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came back. I haven't seen her. So the family that notifies the police

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in Anoka County that Tasha could be
missing. And now it's become a parent.

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Who that woman, that unidentified woman
in the motorcycle. Yeah, that

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who was found on the side of
the road with her motorcycle in andover and

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so now Tasha has been found and
identified. The morning of September nineteenth,

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an investigator showed up to Tasha and
Ryan's house to question Ryan. He wasn't

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home, so the investigator looked around
the outside of the home. While looking

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inside an attached garage, the investigator
noticed a red It's probably a window.

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So if it's isn't that covered on
her plane site? Yes? Yeah,

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we need a worm. No,
No, he's looking through windows, and

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that's one of the extra options to
a search one this plain sight. Mm

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hm. So I was looking,
you know, peeking into this garage.

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He sees some red tie down straps
hanging from the wall and it's the exact

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style that had been found wrapped around
Tasha's body. And what I'm picturing these

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tie down straps are like sometimes you
have like what is it a winch a

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wench where you like you tighten it
with something and it's probably like a canvas

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strap and you make like when you're
wrapping something or tying down like I don't

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know, a cover or something.
You know, you're transporting things. That's

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what I'm picturing. It's like you
have this strap, you're tightening it and

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I'm not thinking it's like it's not
like a like a zip tie I'm you're

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talking about, and you can like
pull it tighter, like yeah, yeah,

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get it. Not that I've ever
used one, but I've seen it

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being used. That's what I'm picturing
trying to describe. Yes, I don't

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use exactly right, I've seen it. I mean at some point in my

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life I've seen something like that,
right, my dad, somebody. Okay,

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before I tell you more, we're
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telling you now this this seems like
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So this finding prompted the investigator to
get a search warrant for the house

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as well as for Ryan's truck.
After thoroughly searching the home, authorities discovered

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evidence of blood in the garage as
well as a carpet with a piece purposefully

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cut out. Oh okay, all
right, that's not fucking suspicious. Like

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if you're going to get piece as
a carpet cut out and blood in your

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home right now, you need to
just you need to just rip up every

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piece of carpet, I mean,
putting a new carpet or something, right,

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Yeah, I get rid of it. I mean, I'm not I'm

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not giving advice on how to get
away with a crying, but I mean,

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if you're going to do something like
this, it's pretty obvious, right,

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something happened on that carpet, Brian. This truck was eventually located at

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his parents' home, and the investigators
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steering wheel, and both the driver
and passenger seats. A broken orange plastic

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clamp was also found in the bat
of the truck, like a clamp,

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Yeah, and it matched pieces of
an orange clamp that were found near Tasha's

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body and the wrecked motorcycle. When
you say clamped, what do you mean

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like something that I could hook on
a stable and then tighten. Yes,

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okay, yeah. The preliminary autopsy
findings were given to investigators and it stated

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that the medical examiner had determined that
the injuries sustained to Tasha's body were not

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consistent with injuries you would get in
a motorcycle accident, and that she had

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died as a result of blunt first
trauma to her head by multiple blows.

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In Ryan's interview with police, he
counted the events of the night you know,

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before she stormed off on her motorcycle
and just which was just hours before

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her body and the motorcycle were found. So, according to Ryan, he

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and Tasha had been arguing. Ryan
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local bar and had been drinking heavily, okay, all right, and then

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to make her look bad, and
this caused some friction in their relationship.

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You know. He said that he
attempted to stop her from leaving and drinking

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too much. Don't don't leave,
don't leave, and you know that's what

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caused the argument. She comes home
super drunk and he questions her about it,

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and now she's going to just storm
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and so she does, he says. He specified that the argument never

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became physical, never, because you
know, that's not in them for this

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relationship, and hexcept for that head
budding, yeah, witnessed by her friends

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and the abuse that she told her
mother about. So Ryan claimed that,

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you know, this was the last
time I sawsh ar Tasha. She stormed

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off and I saw her leave on
her motorcycle and that was it. However,

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one of Tasha's friends rebutted this comment
by telling investigators that Tasha she didn't

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like to go out partying, that
she was too focused on being a mom

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to her four year old daughter,
and she wasn't going to go out on

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her motorcycle alone to the bar.
No. No. And she wasn't going

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to leave her child, leaving her
baby. Yeah, she wasn't going to

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leave her daughter. Blood analysis at
the time of the autopsy would further support

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her friend's claims, as a medical
examiner revealed that Tasha's blood alcohol level was

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nearly nonexistent. Really mm hmmm,
surprise, surprise. Neighbors of Tasha and

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Ryan also stated that they didn't hear
the familiar and distinct sound of Tasha's motorcycle

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being cranked, you know, firing
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Well, I had to ben at
some point because it was though I don't

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does it I don't know, does
it. I'm jumping to conclusion. Yes,

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you are jumping to conclusion. I
mean, sorry, you know Ryan

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has a truck. Okay, don't
spoil it. I know. Detectives also

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took note that Ryan arrived at the
interview wearing a sweatshirt, and this seemed

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odd to investigators because the weather had
been warm and sunny. I'm with temperatures

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reaching near eighty degrees, he's trying
to cover something off visiting. So when

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they asked about the sweatshirt, Ryan
said, well, I have some scrapes

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and scratches from the argument. You
know, I did have a scuffle with

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Tasha. Now here's a scuffle,
even though you know at first it was

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not all physical, right, but
now we had a little scuffle because I

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was trying to prevent her from leaving, I mean, and she scratched me.

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And you know, that's what he's
telling them is I was just trying

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to get her to stay. He's
trying to do the right thing, exactly

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right. Anoka County Sheriff's officer Lieutenant
Paul Summer commented about the evidence that was

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found at Ryan's home. He said, quote, the search warrant made it

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clear that some sort of a violent
assault took place in that attached grage and

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the blood evidence is there. It
made the picture perfectly clear. End quote.

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So she was beaten in the garage
and the attached graus. That's what

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the police believe. So the following
day when she's after she's found September the

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twentieth, it's a Saturday. They
found the piece of carpet and it was

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stained with blood. And where they
found it was they were searching nearby dumpsters.

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Oh so you did get rid of
the bloody the bloody section, right,

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I mean, do you explain missing
chunk of carpet and guess how far

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it was from Brian and Tasha's home. It was a half a mile and

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that's where No. I mean,
come on, dude, And I'm not

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saying I'm not suggesting to right,
I mean really really, but you know,

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I'm saying, if you're going to
do it, try to be clever.

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Yeah. I love stupid criminals because
when stuff like this happens, it's

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like, oh, that's how people
get caught is because they're stupid. So

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I mean, well, first of
all they do wrong things, well yeah,

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and then they do them stupidly,
and then they try to cover it

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up stupidly. Yeah, and so
we like to make fun of those people.

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So right, the dumb ass,
I mean, the dumb man,

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and which I'm glad for because now
police have even more evidence against him.

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So the dumpsters are half a mile
from their home. The bloody carpet was

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found to be consistent, surprise,
surprise, with the type of carpet that

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was found to be cut from the
carpet that was in the garage. Investigators

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now tell Ryan during his interview,
Well, the injuries ta Tasha's body didn't

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happen because of a motorcycle crash.
So he just started acting like he just

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didn't understand, like it does not
compute right, what like, what are

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you trying to tell me? A
detective told Ryan that the working theory was

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that he gets into a physical altercation
and something happens in the garage. He

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hits Tasha over the head and knocks
her out, kills her whatever. This

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happens on the carpet and she dies, And did they know what they hit

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what she got hit with? Did
they have an idea? No trauma?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, uh, I'm sorry you're forgiven.

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I'm sorry, you're forgiven. I
lost my place, you guys, I'm

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sorry, forgive her. Okay,
here I am. He he denies,

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you know that this happened. Of
course, it is going to continue lying

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to please. He even says,
you know, I'll take a polygraph to

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prove my innocence. Po're like,
okay, cool, well we'll set it

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up, and that's when they Ryan
started to shut down and asked for a

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lawyer. He didn't show up for
the polygraph. No, I knew it,

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and asking for a lawyer ends the
police interview and Ryan was able to

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leave the station, and Lieutenant Summer
told reporters it's not unusual for a suspect

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to lie about what happened, but
it's unusual for them to just concoct a

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whole other scenario, right, that
what happened, He should have just kept

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his mouth shut the whole time.
Yeah, I mean he's trying to,

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you know, cover up what happened
with a big fat lie. It didn't

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make sense, right, So search
warn't is now issued for Ryan's parents home.

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Oh why because they're figuring there's some
evidence there. I'm sorry, there's

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some evidence, but I wonder I
mean, you have to have something that

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supports the reason why you would want
search, warn't, and you have to

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be looking for specific items. So
they were looking for specific items. Yes,

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they were at his parents' house.
Yeah, they were. I'm not

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sure exactly what those items were,
but the police searched the house. They

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found Ryan in a bedroom in an
open dresser. In that room, they

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found two bags of marijuana and a
spoon used to heat cocaine. Oh so

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no, wait, a spoon used
to heat cocaine. That's not cocaine.

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It's like crack then, right,
Yeah, I think you snort cocaine.

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Yes, you snort cocaine. I
don't know, do you not? Well

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you know, I mean you've seen
enough movie. I know. Yes,

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I stort cocaine. Yes, it's
something different. I think it turns into

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like crack when you heat it up. I'm not a trained professional. Yeah

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I'm not. You know, I'm
not sure. Yes, he was doing

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that. So police find all these
drugs and so now he's handcuffed again,

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brought back to the police station.
He's arrested for drug POSSESSI So now you

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know he's still insisting that the night, Yeah, the night Tasha died.

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Nothing physical happened. I just you
know, tried to get her to stop

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leaving. But he said, you
know, and if someone did hurt Tasha,

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I have no idea who it could
be. You know, everyone loved

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her, so I don't know who
would hurt her. Of course, police,

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you know, are like just so
full of shit hit and he had

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lots of motives to kill her.
As he's being arrested, investigators quickly discovered

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that there was actually someone who didn't
like Tasha besides him, Yes, besides

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Ryan. And it was someone that
was close to Tasha and Ryan and Tasha

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was even afraid of this person.
And this guy is Tim Boland, Ryan's

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brother, his younger brother by eighteen
months. Okay. Tim Boland was once

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a promising baseball player. He was
awarded a baseball scholarship to Saint Cloud University.

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He studied, He studied English,
and he broke several baseball records for

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the university. I mean, he
played there. He graduated with plans to

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become an author, but his life
quickly began to spiral out of control.

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After getting married, he started using
drugs. Doesn't that happen a lot?

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Yeah, it's unfortunate right right,
and he had recently been separated from his

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wife. Tim had a growing coke
habit, and he'd also been dealing drugs

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to support his drug use. So
Tim and his two dogs had been living

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out of his Chevy Malibu when he
wasn't able to crash on a friend's couch.

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Oh that sucks, and Ryan offered
Tim, you know, he can

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stay with you can stay with Tasha
and I some nights. And because see

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now Tim is running out of friend's
couches that he can crash. Yeah.

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And now, yeah, when you're
at the level where you're in your vehicle,

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Yeah, your family's really got to
step in. Yeah, absolutely,

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But Tasha didn't like Tim to be
at her house with her and her he's

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doing drugs exactly. Tim had previously
physically assaulted Tasha. What Yeah, because

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well, I really wouldn't like him
there. He felt that Tasha was ruining

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his brother's life, Yeah, by
going to the police and accusing him of

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abuse. Tasha felt that Tim was
unpredictable and volatile, and she told many

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friends that she was scared of Tim. So infascigators started looking at him a

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little bit closer, that maybe he
was also involved in Tasha's death. One

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piece of the initially unexplained evidence found
at the crash scene. So you know,

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when they're doing the crash scene,
they're collecting everything, right, and

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what they found was a single piece
of dog hair that was discovered on the

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motorcycle, a single piece of dog
hair. And they found a single piece

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of dog hair. Yeah, found
a little motorcycle, one little dog hair.

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God bless them for work and so
forensics, right, So after testing,

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they were able to link that dog
hair to Tim because it matched hair

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that belonged to his yellow Labrador retriever. But Tim had been living with them

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with her. Yeah, it's true
transference. That's probably what his defense sideway.

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Right, thank you for thinking like
a criminal defense attorney. Right,

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I'd be a prosecuting attorney. But
that's fine defense. Everybody needs a good

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advocate. Everybody's allowed right where we're
attorneys. That's the American way. Everybody's

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allowed a defense. So Ryan Bolin
was arrested September twenty second, and he

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was charged with second degree intentional murder
and aiding and abutting second degree murder.

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Wait, second degree intentional murder,
Yeah, isn't that premeditated? How do

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you have second degree. How Minnesota's
laws laws must be we're there because if

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it's intentional, it's usually premat Yeah. And they also charged him with aiding

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a bet and a betting second degree
murder in Tasha's death, who he ate

406
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:13.319
in a bed. Well. Tim
Bolin was also arrested. Okay, there

407
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.279
you go with the same charges as
his brothers. So they're not sure right

408
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:21.880
that they're covering both, like one
of them mighty killed her and the other

409
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.359
one was aiding in a betting or
you know, vice versa. At least

410
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:30.839
they're covering their butts with these charges. Yeah. Officers took note that there

411
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.839
was dog hair found on Tim's clothing
at the time of his arrest as well.

412
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:39.079
Bail had been set for a million
dollars for each of them. Yeah,

413
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:43.279
and they go to trial because these
guys aren't saying that they did it.

414
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:49.200
They had separate trials, but each
had similar proceedings. Both brothers pleaded

415
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:54.079
guilty to manslaughter by taking an Alford
plea. An Alford plea, Yeah,

416
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:58.480
and the purpose of an Alfred plea, for those of you that don't know,

417
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:04.279
is your waving the defendant's right to
a jury trial. So They were

418
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.400
saying that, you know, there's
enough evidence against me that I could be

419
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:12.760
found guilty by a jury, So
therefore I'm going to take the Alford plea

420
00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.559
yes and please doesn't mean I actually
did it. Yes, but I believe

421
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:23.320
the prosecutors could show there's enough that
the evidence convincing jury. Yes, and

422
00:34:23.559 --> 00:34:30.159
prosecutors were able to factually piece together
what really happened to Tasha that night of

423
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:35.440
her murder. On Thursday September eighteenth, the Bowlan brothers went to a bar

424
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:38.840
in nearby Ramsey, and this bar
was the Spectator's Bar, and they got

425
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:44.480
there about eight fifteen pm. After
third person joined them at the bar.

426
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.559
The three left the bar between nine
thirty and nine forty five, so about

427
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:52.480
an hour and a half or so. The third person is suspected of meeting

428
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:57.239
the brothers to supply one or both
of them with drugs OK, but nothing

429
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.800
really to do with the murder.
Ryan and Tim returned to the home that

430
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:08.679
Ryan shared with Tasha, and so
Brian and Tasha now start arguing. Tasha

431
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:15.599
was also furious with Tim and accused
him of setting up her father and brother

432
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.480
in a drug sting operation. Because
there's some other shit going on behind the

433
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:27.519
scenes that yeah, left field.
Yeah. He and Tasha believed that Tim

434
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:32.840
used his position as a confidential informant's
aidential informant, Yeah, to shed light

435
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:37.920
on her family and this was done
as a way to help Rian get sole

436
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:44.280
custody of their daughter. So a
lot of times in custody battles, people

437
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.079
make up evil shit about their former
pardner. Yes, they do, they

438
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:52.480
do, they do, they do, and it's just evil with no evidence

439
00:35:52.519 --> 00:36:00.000
whatsoever, no, just accusations.
Ryan stated in court documents that Tasha tried

440
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.639
to call her brother to inform him
of what she suspected Tim of doing,

441
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.519
but Ryan grabbed her wrists. At
this point, Tasha scratched Ryan's wrists and

442
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.840
knack as they argued. Ryan claimed
that Tim had been sitting in a chair

443
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:22.800
in the garage wrapping black duct tape
around a baseball bats. No no,

444
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.639
no, no, no, that
reminds me of the Walking Dey, I

445
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:32.920
know, right. Ryan testified that
Tasha threatened to call Tim's estranged wife and

446
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.239
tell her that Tim had been having
an affair. At this threat, Tim

447
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:44.559
snapped and hit Tasha repeatedly in the
head with the baseball bat. Ryan claimed

448
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.880
he left the garage at this point
to check on their sleeping four year old

449
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:52.519
daughter. Ryan and Tim placed then
placed Tasha's bloody body, buddy and beaten

450
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.880
body, along with her motorcycle in
the back of Ryan's Chevy pickup truck,

451
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.880
got behind the wheel and was driving
about fifty miles an hour as they headed

452
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:07.800
toward and Over, which is about
three or four miles away. They left

453
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:15.599
the tailgate open as they drove.
Ryan claimed that Tim jerked the wheel several

454
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:21.239
times until then Tasha's body and her
motorcycle fell out of the back of the

455
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.440
truck. So he's driving fast and
jerking so that she out. Why not

456
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:30.119
it look like a motorcycle accident,
right, They did a really bad job

457
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.480
of that. They're dumbasses, so, I mean, thank god, Ryan

458
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.519
said, you know, this was
how they planned to dispose of her body,

459
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.840
make it look like a motorcycle accident, and they, like you said,

460
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:45.079
they just were dumb asses and they
did a shitty job. Think thankfully.

461
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.519
Thankfully. Ryan testified that he and
Tim parted ways about twelve thirty am,

462
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.679
which was around the same time that
Tasha's body had been discovered by that

463
00:37:53.760 --> 00:38:00.239
passing motorist. Ryan went to the
garage when he got home and he tore

464
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.079
up the piece. He tore up
and cut out that piece of the bloodied

465
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.519
carpet. He also stated that he
wrapped the baseball bat with that. I

466
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.719
know, he wrapped the baseball bat
in newspapers and he placed it in a

467
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:15.760
dumpster at an Anoka car wash.
And that's what he did with the bat.

468
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:21.559
And then he went and throughout that
scrap of carpet in another dumpster.

469
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.679
The baseball bat's never been found.
After cleaning the garage and disposing of the

470
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:30.639
evidence, Ryan then prepared to take
his daughter to school. Time to go

471
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.079
to school, Get up, Samantha, Yeah, time to go. We

472
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.880
want breakfasts, I know, right
like just and when he got the call

473
00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:44.039
from her employer, Oh no,
I've not seen her up. And he

474
00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:47.400
did admit on the stand that he
lied to police in his initial interview A

475
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:51.719
lot, right, I mean they
had to get him to admitted, I

476
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:58.199
guess on the record. In March
of twenty ten, Anoka County District Judge

477
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:05.199
Lawrence Johnson sentenced him to eleven years
in prison. What for first degree manslaughter?

478
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.480
What? Mm hmm? Do you
want to know what? The sentencing

479
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:15.920
guidelines are for this offense eighty percent. Yeah, six, I'm six to

480
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:22.679
eight and a half years. If
unbelievable, well that's when he can put

481
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.639
try to get try to get parol. Right. If Tim had been found

482
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:31.599
guilty on the original charges of second
degree homicide, he could have been sentenced

483
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:37.639
to twenty one to thirty and a
half years in prison. Ryan was also

484
00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:45.239
sentenced in twenty eighteen to eight years
in prison. Yep, sorry for his

485
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:51.800
part in the cover up or attempted
cover up of Tasha's death. It pisses

486
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.920
me off. Well, be even
more because guess what, don't No,

487
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.519
No, yep, you already know
what I'm gonna say. No, I

488
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:04.239
don't. Yes, you do because
you're angry. Because you're angry, Okay,

489
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.960
go ahead. Ryan was released from
prison in twenty eighteen and Tim was

490
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:15.199
released in twenty twenty one after serving
how long. Let's see, the sentencing

491
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:21.480
was in twenty ten, So eight
years for Ryan and eleven years for Tim.

492
00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:27.280
That's all you get for Order's sister
in law and your wife. Yeah,

493
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.320
both men still remain free. Ryan
has moved on and has gotten married.

494
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.000
I knew you were going to say
that. Can you believe it.

495
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.039
He's a reform man and now he
runs his father's construction business, so I'm

496
00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:45.599
sure he's also financially secure. He's
probably going to send some nasty hate comments

497
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:51.119
onto this podkast. Well, he
fucking did it, so suck it.

498
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.760
Yeah, all you did is time. Tim was last known to be working

499
00:40:53.760 --> 00:41:00.719
at a bar somewhere in Minnesota.
A benefit was held for Timesha's daughter shortly

500
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:07.360
after Tasha's I'm assuming that Ryan lost
costody, Yes, yes, he didn't

501
00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:09.199
mean he had to have. Yeah, and by that time she would have

502
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:14.960
been twelve. Yeah, and it'd
be too late for him to regain,

503
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:19.480
but he could have a parenting time. Yeah. Who was who had applied

504
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:23.000
for custody or a petition for custody
was Tasha's sister and brother in law,

505
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.760
and they had been taking care of
Samantha, so that's who took care of

506
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:32.440
her after Tasha's death. In Ryan's
sentencing, the benefit was lovely. There

507
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.599
was appearance by the Minnesota Viking's cheerleaders, there was live music, and all

508
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:45.320
the proceeds went to the benefit of
Samantha's education. Ah nice, Tasha's cousin

509
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.519
commented, because I don't want to
and this on like a shitty note that

510
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:52.119
these assholes are out free. So
we're gonna kind of focus on maybe a

511
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:57.679
little positiveness that occurred afterward. Tasha's
cousin commented on the love that Tasha had

512
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:00.760
for her daughter, because you know, she was little and she lost her

513
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:04.039
mom. And I think it's valuable
to hear these things or read these things

514
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:07.440
when you grow up and when you
lose a parent. And she said,

515
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:12.480
quote, they were pretty much inseparable. Everything she did, she did for

516
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.440
Samantha. Samantha resembles Natasha. Is
a child with blonde hair, and she

517
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.239
has the same energy, smile,
and free spirit that Tasha had. Unquote.

518
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.599
Natasha's cousin added, every time you
look at Samantha, you see Tasha.

519
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.239
Oh that's mazy. Yeah. So
they consider themselves blessed. They have

520
00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:38.360
a beautiful memory of Tasha. She
was laid to rest. She was only

521
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.519
twenty eight. She was laid to
rest Sunday, September twenty first, two

522
00:42:43.559 --> 00:42:46.559
thousand and eight, and Loua Flowers
the family asked that donations be made to

523
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:52.000
Samantha's education fund. And that's the
end of her story. But I do

524
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:58.079
like to say if you or someone
you know is involved in an abusive relationship.

525
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.679
You can speak to somebody today for
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eight eight to start st a rt
oh and you can be connected to someone

528
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that can help you. Phone lines
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529
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:27.159
you will always get someone will answer
yeah if you call or text. So.

530
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And then we need to give credit
to our lovely writer. Yes,

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our lovely writer, Rachel Rachel Stiller, Rachel Stiller, she wrote and researched

532
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this episode for us. She researched
the fuck out of it. Yeah,

533
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I mean she did an amazing job, and she did a great I mean,

534
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she's amazing and she deserves found of
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