1 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,280 What is a fellow thermonuclear afors I am Dan the Valley coming. Yeah you 2 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:24,000 with what was an unplanned podcast, It's going to be a podcast all the 3 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:28,519 same. Before we get started about having an honest discussion about the New York 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,200 Knicks, I'm just given the recent reports that have come out via the Daily 5 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,840 News and also a most notably fredcasts the Athletic of how they're sort of approaching 6 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,000 the unpicture started trade season. Just my usual reminder to continue subscribing to us 7 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,960 if you've never checked this out before. If you're on YouTube and you're watching 8 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,280 me ramble right now, hit the sub button, like comment, help the 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,560 algorithm of us back. 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That is about it, and this 19 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:25,439 is not a housekeeping note that's coming up. This is the meat and potatoes 20 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:30,480 of everything. Brittany Grinder coming home, fucking awesome, super static about that. 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,040 Haven't talked a lot about it on this podcast because I'm not an expert 22 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,400 in foreign policy and imprisonment abroad. But it was clearly unjust and I was 23 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:42,599 always kind of, you know, I saw David Dennis Junior say this around 24 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,319 the horn. I was always kind of reluctant to I had retweeted some stuff, 25 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,040 but I didn't want anything. And it wasn't just a matter of it 26 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:51,120 coming off performative, but I didn't want stuff out there to where you think 27 00:01:51,159 --> 00:01:55,640 it could actually actively hurt or impeed discussion. Where it was people, for 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,359 instance, people using the Black Lives Matter hashtag when they were posting there, 29 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,680 you know, all black amatars or whatever. And then there were people that 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,760 came out and said, hey, you know, you're doing this as a 31 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,360 display of support or to be performative or whatever, but you're actually fucking up 32 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,719 the hashtag when it has meaningful shit there and this was different from that. 33 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,360 But I didn't want to, like if anything seen on social media could sort 34 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,120 of be used to skew against the case or angry people, I just didn't 35 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:23,960 want to. I was, so I was. And it's also important I 36 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,319 think, is me just because I'm fucking white and male and like the most 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,039 overrun voice in this, Like there's too many voices that look and sound like 38 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,159 mind this injury. Maybe not sound because I'm nasally as shit. But you 39 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,319 catch my drift there, and it was more about hey listening and consuming the 40 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:42,680 information. Oh yeah, I'm just super excited that she gets to come home, 41 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,680 that she gets to escape the ten months held that she has been in 42 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:52,560 in Russia. I hope that she's able to heal from this physically, mentally, 43 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,639 emotionally. I hope she's able to readjust to life here some semblance of 44 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,599 normality, to be with her family and friends, to be huge her. 45 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,800 But she's also coming back to a country where this is like a split reaction 46 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:07,680 to her coming home that there are people out there that I saw that don't 47 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:12,759 think that we should have brokered her released this is going to lead to more 48 00:03:13,159 --> 00:03:19,039 Americans being imprisoned abroad, that you know, we chose her over Paul Paul 49 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Whelan, which just seems to be way inaccurate. His brother was it, 50 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:29,280 Zach Wheelan, which was talking to David Wheelan excuse me, was talking to 51 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,280 MBC News and says, we don't begrudge miss Grinder her freedom. As I 52 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:36,960 have often remarked, Brittany's in Paul's cases were never really intertwined. Has always 53 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,520 been a strong possibility one might have been freed without the other other. And 54 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,120 so to hear that from him, I think that certainly matters here. There's 55 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,800 definitely a discussion to be had about how celebrity plays a role into this. 56 00:03:46,879 --> 00:03:51,080 But as of right now, like, we have a black member of the 57 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,759 lgbt Q I A plus community coming home, and I think that's really just 58 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,439 super important and something to be celebrated. And we can also admit that we 59 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,800 need to have the discourse on just unjust imprisonment here and then also abroad, 60 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,879 Like, yeah, there's a conversation that we had about that. It has 61 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:12,680 nothing to do with Britney Ryder coming home, Like that just objectively deserves to 62 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,000 be celebrated. So I'm just super stoked for her to see this end and 63 00:04:15,079 --> 00:04:20,000 like, yes, it would it would be great to see Paul Wheeler Paul 64 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,680 Wheeland come home as well. In what is objectively the worst segue ever, 65 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,160 let's talk about the Knicks. Originally wasn't going to record a podcast on this, 66 00:04:30,319 --> 00:04:33,240 but just the reaction that I got to some trade ideas that I posted 67 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:38,759 on bleacher Report in response to a report from the Athletics spread Cats about how 68 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,680 the Knicks are sort of approaching the deadline or the unofficial start of trade season. 69 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:46,920 It rankled me enough, and in the grand scheme of things like this 70 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:49,279 doesn't matter and I can take it and it's part of the job description. 71 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:55,399 But like, the reaction was so filled with rage in my dms on the 72 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:59,759 br app and Twitter and in my mentions on the br app and Twitter that 73 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,600 I've all they need to kind of talk about it. And so the report 74 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:09,720 from Fred Katz said that league sources have noted the Knicks are active on trade 75 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:12,120 calls leading up to the December fifteenth, which is when most of the players 76 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,199 who signed new contracts this season are eligible who moved, as Bobby Marks already 77 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:18,560 noted I think seventy three percent of the league delis are able to be traded 78 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,279 now, and then number jumps up to eighty nine percent on December fifteen. 79 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,759 You don't always see deals happen right away there, but that is sort of 80 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:30,680 a big hallmark. Kats mentioned Evan Fournier manual quickly Cam Reddish who's now out 81 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,040 of the rotation, and Derrick Ross who's also out of the rotation, as 82 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,399 the Zeven Fournier, as the names to watch most closely, and he also 83 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:40,680 noted that New York hasn't show any interest in attaching a first round pick to 84 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,040 Evan Fournier to get rid of him in the final year left on his deal. 85 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,399 There was really no mention of Julius Randall and the three years left on 86 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,439 his contract that I recalled. This type of housekeeping runs counter to how the 87 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:55,959 Knicks operated over the off season, when their primary focus was the ultimately failed 88 00:05:55,959 --> 00:06:00,879 acquisition of Donovan Mitchell or another superstar. This report, the latest activity just 89 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:04,199 suggest that the Knicks are more concerned with simplifying the numerous log jams that have 90 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:09,560 peppered up and down their roster. I think that makes sense. The Knicks 91 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,399 are forever on the Superstar prowl, and it does seem like they're sted in 92 00:06:12,439 --> 00:06:15,800 winning now, but like those trades don't really exist. If you weren't going 93 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:18,839 to give up the full boat for Donovan Mitchell, why would you give it 94 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:21,879 up for let's just even say Zach Lavine or Bradley Beale's available. There's more 95 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,000 risk taked into both of those players who aren't even as good as Donovan Mitchell 96 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:31,160 is right now in my opinion, So like, you can't go after Superstar, 97 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,920 and I also think that needs to change your expectation here. Your Tibbs 98 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,079 is already to his credit, like he's paired down the minutes where yeah, 99 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,879 you can quibble about some of the minute's distributions before Obie Toppin's injury, but 100 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:47,839 like he wasn't He's not playing Rose, he's not playing Fournier. We had 101 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:53,279 seen more of Obie Toppin before he was injured. He's giving Quentin Grimes run. 102 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,160 Juice McBride is back in the rotation now, and so yeah, you 103 00:06:56,199 --> 00:06:59,519 can actively argue about some of the things that TIBs is still doing. How 104 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,279 un if it seems the Knicks can be at times, but like he is 105 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,000 playing guys that fans and myself also wanted to be played, and like he's 106 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:13,839 cut the excess from the rotation, and it's frustrating that Cam Reddish isn't a 107 00:07:13,839 --> 00:07:15,560 part of the rotation. But it's also like you look at this roster and 108 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,480 it's I would find ways to play Cam Reddish that I don't think Tips is 109 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:23,639 inventive enough when you look at the minis distribution, the types of lineups he 110 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:27,399 runs. But I understand the dilemma of you just have too many bodies, 111 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,600 and so the Knicks seemed to be just kind of clearing up that log jam. 112 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,120 Now the Reddish and Quickly stuff is interesting because Reddish is going to be 113 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,079 restricted free agent quickly. Like always, you want to be extension eligible this 114 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:42,160 summer. The Knicks have a bunch of guards and Deuced McBride and Jail Brunton 115 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:46,600 of course RJ. Barrett being a wing slash guard, and then Quentin Grimes 116 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,560 as well, So like, I don't know this does this It shows that 117 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,279 they're not invested in either of these guys really, and Quickly has been a 118 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:56,720 lot better defensively, and I think he brings a nice change of pace to 119 00:07:56,759 --> 00:08:00,399 the offense, and so if I were a team, I would think giving 120 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:01,800 up a protected first round pick for him, like would Phoenix give up I 121 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:05,720 know they have campaign, but like the Chris Paul injury stuff and just knowing 122 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:07,480 what Quickly could really do on defense, you consider giving up this year's first 123 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,199 round pick for him. I think that they are also fans based on the 124 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:15,680 reactions to my mentions that would want more for Quickly, and I just don't 125 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,879 know that you're going to get that if Quickly was considered this super hot commodity 126 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,639 around the league, and it doesn't matter my impressions or your impressions of him, 127 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,040 it matters how people view him around the league. I think that the 128 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,399 Knicks would have had an easier time than Donovan Mitchell trade sweepstakes, where we 129 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,360 might have just heard more chatter there. And the other thing here is just 130 00:08:33,399 --> 00:08:37,639 like the Knicks have complicated the value of their youngsters by in two different ways, 131 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:43,080 by one sort of complicating or obu skating their roles to this point, 132 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,639 whereas like even if Quickly is playing a steady role, there's still those years 133 00:08:46,639 --> 00:08:48,440 in the rearview, and on top of that, they are later in their 134 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,600 contracts. Cam Reddish about to be a restricted free agent, Manuel quickly Extensional's 135 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,240 roll this summer, same with Obi Toppin. So you're talking about reinvesting in 136 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,720 these guys, and so I'm not saying the Knicks need to make a move 137 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,159 just for the sake of making a move, But I do think fans, 138 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:07,240 and I'm not trying to pander from a soapbox, I do think fans need 139 00:09:07,279 --> 00:09:11,080 to adjust their expectations for what you're expecting back from these guys, And I 140 00:09:11,159 --> 00:09:18,200 also think that you need to have an honest view of what the Knicks actually 141 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,320 need to do. Here. In an ideal world, one of two things 142 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,200 would happen. They would trade for a superstar that vaults them into contention room 143 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,919 your contention, or they would tear the whole fucking thing down and actually rebuild 144 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,279 and stick with it for once. That's not how this franchise operates. They're 145 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,120 trying to straddle some middle ground and level up through that way, and looking 146 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,759 at that, I still think as good as we've seen him play lately on 147 00:09:37,799 --> 00:09:43,399 the offensive end, the best way to do that is subtraction by way of 148 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:50,759 optimization, or optimization by way of subtraction by trading Julius Randall and I propose 149 00:09:50,799 --> 00:09:54,600 some Julius Randle trades. I'm not going to get into this specifics of them 150 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,000 now. And I'm like stammering through this because I don't even want to record 151 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,159 this and play the ways meat card. The reaction I got was just so 152 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,799 over the top. And I'm fine with people disagreeing, but like to say 153 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:09,559 that I'm the worst human being alive, or that I should go to prison, 154 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:11,919 or I have these DMS, or that I should be fired from my 155 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,759 job. I go back and forth and how to react to that stuff. 156 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,960 After all these years in the business, it does still hurt, like it 157 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,879 I'm a perfectionist. I definitely tie too much of my self worth to this, 158 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,799 and I've tried to become more transparent about that over the past year. 159 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,919 I don't like over sharing and I'm uncomfortable doing it, but I still try 160 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,360 to do it. But it want it makes you reflect on what you wrote, 161 00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,159 like was I wrong? And also I just I don't really understand it, 162 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,759 the negative feedback loop of being a content creator. Again, not woe 163 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,080 is me. I'm not a minority, I'm not a woman like I don't 164 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,120 deal with it at the scale of people who are as important or more important 165 00:10:45,159 --> 00:10:48,440 than I am. So I'm recognizing that, but the negative feedback loop, 166 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,480 especially for someone who like me, who wants to have a discussion, especially 167 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,759 with the people who are supportive, and that's why discord is is so great. 168 00:10:56,799 --> 00:10:58,799 But like talking to people on YouTube where they can get yeah, I 169 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:01,559 need to brush it off and make it clear they can't get mad that I 170 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,759 don't think the Pelicans of the best defense in the league. Like that was, 171 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,440 you know, we called the Pelicans contenders, we called don An MVP 172 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,519 candidate, but we said that we're not really sold that their defense is top 173 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,360 one or top two, And like there's people that are you know, mad 174 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:16,840 about that. That gets frustrating. And this was sort of an extension of 175 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:22,440 that. The overarching response was the Julius Randall trades sucked. He's getting buckets. 176 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:24,600 Why would you trade Mitchell Robinson in a deal that net you Miles Turner? 177 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:30,039 And there are two different paths or maybe three different ones to go here. 178 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:33,600 For me is I think the Knicks have essentially created a situation where's Julius 179 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,960 Randall or Obi top in long term? If Tim's all of a sudden starts 180 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,039 playing them even more together. Okay, maybe that's one thing, but are 181 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:43,720 you really gonna pay both of them and top of his extension as well after 182 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:48,600 this season? No, and so by the time his new deal kicks in, 183 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Julius Randall has only two left on his But that being said, that's 184 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,159 still just a misallocation of resources. And so you if you move Julius Randall, 185 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,799 it opens up more playing time for Obi. You get to experiment with 186 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:03,159 some more different fours like RJ. Barrett at the four. Maybe you're requiring 187 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,159 a different type of four in that trade, and I think that that is 188 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,759 the route that I would go. If you're not going to do that, 189 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,399 then I think that I'm not saying you have to move Obie, but I 190 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,440 think you have to look at well, Yeah, the Mitchell Robinson Julius Randall 191 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,600 minutes have been actually killer this year. I think it's helped that you remove 192 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,440 Evan Fournier from the equation. Not having him on defense. It makes it 193 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:26,399 life easier on Mitch, makes life easier on Julius Randall as well, because 194 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:31,240 not only is Robinson covering up for less, but now you're replacing Fournier with 195 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,240 Like we've seen Grihymes in those minutes, we saw Cam Reddish or so, 196 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,639 like the defense is just going inherently get better there. But they both like 197 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,159 to occupy the same spaces. And when you have RJ. Barrett and jem 198 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:45,360 Brunson, whill also want to get inside the arc. I think if you 199 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,039 want to keep Julius Randall, like you need to go after more of a 200 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,080 stretch of you're big and like Hartenstein just clearly he's not that, like to 201 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:56,879 the extreme that the Knicks would need, and neither is Jericho Simms. And 202 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:58,960 so you've allocated all this equity and Mitchell Robinson, whose deal I think is 203 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,960 fine. It's on the higher end, but it declines and he makes sub 204 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,919 thirteen million in the final year. That might be backup center money at this 205 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,200 point, but it's not unreasonable to think that, yeah, he's playing well, 206 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,519 but he's also been another player who's up and down. You need to 207 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,120 start thinking about the longer term of this roster, where no, would the 208 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,240 pathway that I go be trading Mitchell Robinson. No, But if I want 209 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:20,559 to keep Julius rand I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna look at a Miles 210 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,200 Turner's trade and if I'm already going to trade Emanuel quickly for protected first round 211 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,039 pick, I am gonna look at including a manual quickly in that deal. 212 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,639 And you also need to be realistic about like, Okay, Cam Reddish, 213 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,519 yet he's an intriguing player who the Knicks are not playing. They have not 214 00:13:35,639 --> 00:13:39,519 increased his trade value since they acquired him. They gave up a conditional first 215 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,320 round pick that might end up being two seconds at this point because Charlotte should 216 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,840 suck something awful. I think that's what you're looking at for camrad It's not 217 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,559 even the conditional first but it would probably be two seconds if he's traded on 218 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,320 his own, or it's as a salary matching tool where you're attaching him to 219 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:56,480 I don't even think a player. I don't think attaching Cam Reddish to Evan 220 00:13:56,519 --> 00:14:01,759 Fournier and get you off of Evan Fournier. Maybe I'm but you have to 221 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:03,600 be realistic about what the Knicks are working up against here. If you would 222 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:07,399 rather them stand pat then because you're so attached to these players and you want 223 00:14:07,399 --> 00:14:11,279 to change anything, that's fine. But I don't think you're going to see 224 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:15,799 any transformative change from the franchise then, and so I do think that they 225 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,279 should be looking to clear up their rotation. And it's not just a matter 226 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,120 of trading the guys who aren't playing. It's trading probably one or two of 227 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:26,360 them who are. And so anyone who listens to this knows that I would 228 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:30,799 be all aboard, just leaning full on into the youth. And I would, 229 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:33,360 you know, would I use the first round pick to get off of 230 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:35,919 Evan for a ply not because there's one of your lists. Deal. What 231 00:14:35,039 --> 00:14:39,759 I do it just get off Randall and just ensure that you could maximize the 232 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:43,639 complimentary nature of your front court. I might, And I think that there 233 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:46,759 are Knicks fans who I count myself among that believe you don't need to give 234 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,559 up a first degree to get off his contract. I actually agree. I 235 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:54,600 think that you could trade him. My guests would be well, actually my 236 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:56,960 guests, they might say no because they could be pretty cheap. But like 237 00:14:56,039 --> 00:15:00,639 if the Suns wanted him and Sam Cooper, the Timeline podcast has hammered this 238 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,279 home, not the exact trade package, but like if the Suns are looking 239 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:07,440 for that third score, that third just player to create for himself and maybe 240 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:13,639 set the table for others and just give their offensive package more diversity Julius Randall 241 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,399 for just Dario Sarich and Jay Crowder like the expiring contracts, maybe you have 242 00:15:16,399 --> 00:15:20,600 to take Landry Shammitt back instead of Sharich. I don't know, but like 243 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,879 I think that you could trade Julius Randall without using a first round pick, 244 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:28,440 but I also don't think that that is necessarily a common outcome where I do 245 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:31,919 think that their teams would want a first round pick. And so if you're 246 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:37,039 trading Julius Randall, you're either taking back what I would deem unsavory money equally 247 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,559 or less. So you don't want to take back a worse contract, but 248 00:15:39,679 --> 00:15:43,679 like that is the reality of that situation. It's if you wanted to set 249 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:46,679 like if Miami's open to pairing him with them, and their half court offensive 250 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,559 needs the juice, like yeah, you're gonna take back Duncan Robinson and then 251 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:52,960 it's Caleb Martin to make the money work. Unless Miami's want to get up 252 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,200 Kyle Lowry in that deal, which I don't think that they would be, 253 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,200 and I would do that in heart, But if I was the Knicks, 254 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,559 and this isn't to say that I think Julius Randall sucks. His effort is 255 00:16:00,559 --> 00:16:03,200 waxed. And Wayne, though especially on the defensive end, we've seen him 256 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,240 hit these offensive highs, they are transient. That's just the fact right now, 257 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,120 and so I think you should move him to optimize the rest of your 258 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:14,399 roster. Like I said, it's it's optimization through subtraction, and I fully 259 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,480 believe that's what the NICK should be looking at. And I do think that 260 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:19,559 you need to pull back if you if you have these high expectations, which 261 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:23,399 I'm not saying everybody does like the trades. I propose it's fine if you 262 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:29,279 don't like them. And just as like a thing like trading Evan Fournier Quickly, 263 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:33,519 Reddish Topping and the Dallas first and Mitchell Robinson for Josh Richardson and Miles 264 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:36,399 Turner, like yeah, is that maybe over the top. I think it 265 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:41,159 depends on how much a team like Indiana values Cam Reddish and Quickly. When 266 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,919 Quickly is coming into a situation where you know there's already Andrew Demhart there, 267 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:51,639 and there's already Tyrese Haliberg and Chris Duarte, so you have to factor that 268 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:55,320 and when calling together other team packages and I promise you people, if you're 269 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,559 listening this, who we're mad at me or I think I'm complaining, Like 270 00:16:56,639 --> 00:17:00,639 I've reached the point where I'm always bouncing trade ideas off either colleagues or now 271 00:17:00,679 --> 00:17:04,920 people who are covering the team actively room for the team, just to sort 272 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,759 of know where both sides are coming from. I'm not just going in there. 273 00:17:07,839 --> 00:17:11,400 You know, I'm getting inclusive of clickbait. Hey, news slash writers 274 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,839 don't get to pen their own headlines. A majority of the time, I 275 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,680 will collaborate with the concept and I will never write something that I don't believe 276 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:22,799 is worth writing or that is just two over the top. But like, 277 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,319 I'm not trying to piss people off. I'm writing things I believe. I'm 278 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:27,960 trying to give justification for them. And if you're mad at the headline, 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,559 like, just go fucking beyond it. At this point, we all know 280 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,519 how the sausage is made and if you want to play the screenshot game, 281 00:17:33,599 --> 00:17:37,240 like, yeah, that's fine. Like I've done it too to make jokes, 282 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,160 and I've also gone back and forth of well, I've criticized NBA players, 283 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,599 I've made fun of NBA players, like I should be able to take 284 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,480 it. It does feel different in the sense that, like, you know, 285 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:52,720 this isn't me saying something racially charged, like yeah, that's what I've 286 00:17:52,759 --> 00:17:56,519 gone after players for, And if you're making a joke, it's different. 287 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,480 Like my big forehead, my huge nose, my wide ass ears like fair 288 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:03,039 game. At this point, I'm on camera my nasally voice, like I 289 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:06,160 totally get that you're saying that I'm the worst person alive because of a fucking 290 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,960 trade, Like I would never call basketball player the worst player alive because he's 291 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,039 missing shots. And I just still don't understand that reaction and that negative feedback 292 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:18,880 loop has just become exhausting because I still want to content create and to build 293 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,680 this community up. And it's not the people I think in this community, 294 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,759 it's the ones. I'm not accusing anybody of anything. I want to make 295 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:27,440 that clear, but it just was so frustrating. I felt compelled to justify 296 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:32,279 my stance further and say that, hey, like Knicks fans agree with me 297 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:34,279 when I was hard on tips way back when and hard on the front office, 298 00:18:34,519 --> 00:18:37,960 but like, as soon as someone deviates from what I guess is the 299 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,559 majority line of thinking, like we don't need to actively, just you know, 300 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,440 be incendiary with how we're going after them. And I do think a 301 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,440 lot of this has to be when you are a fan of a specific team, 302 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:51,599 I think you need to step outside the bubble of that team and look 303 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,119 at how teams might view your other players. And I'm not saying that the 304 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,640 Knicks need to just trade Manual Quickly for a second round pick at this point, 305 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,599 I wouldn't do that. Yes, fine, keep him. I don't 306 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:03,039 even think that they should be shopping him the first place. I find the 307 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:07,359 way that they've handled him and view him one of the more ridiculous things about 308 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,559 this organization. But if you are operating under the assumption that you're going to 309 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:14,480 move him, you need to be realistic about what you're getting back. Don't 310 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:17,079 come at me and say Cam Reddish is worth a first round pick on his 311 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,000 own, or Emmanuel Quickly is worth a first round pick, a high first 312 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:22,799 round pick on his own. Which team is giving you the high first round 313 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,200 pick for Emmanuel Quickly? Right now? Who's giving you that high for first 314 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,720 round pick for Emmanuel Quickly. I don't have a team that stands out. 315 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,000 I thought about Washington a little bit. They don't really Picks the trade the 316 00:19:32,079 --> 00:19:37,799 Knicks where he owned one of them, So, like I just I would 317 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,759 implore us to be realistic about what the Knicks value is. And I also 318 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:44,200 think we need to be realistic about what they're trying to do with the deadline. 319 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,599 It's not working, It doesn't seem like anyway based on the market that 320 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,440 it's cobbled together these youngsters and then go after a star. That market isn't 321 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,720 there right now. And I think we've also seen that other teams and your 322 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:59,279 fan bases, they're not valuing these players as highly as the Knicks and their 323 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:02,720 own fans would, which there's a natural tug of war there. I want 324 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,839 to make that that happens in every sort of trade negotiation. But I do 325 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,640 think the Knicks have played a role in complicating the value in a lot of 326 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,200 their youngsters, just because of the stop and start in nature of some of 327 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,880 their roles. Cam Reddish being in and out of the rotation, Emmanuel Cook 328 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,799 these role not really so much this season, but like having vascillated through the 329 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:21,359 first two years of his career, and then you're letting these contracts that weak 330 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,759 to the point where teams have to pay them soon that also complicates their values, 331 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:27,039 So you need to factor that into is how soon before just throwing out 332 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:30,359 that the Pacers would need to pay Emmanuel quickly that like that needs to be 333 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,680 a part of any calculation here. And how do teams view Mitchell Robinson's contract 334 00:20:36,839 --> 00:20:41,640 when you know he's one of the least dynamic offensive centers in the game and 335 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:47,960 centers right now they're not diamond doesn't seems rude, but like there's the archetype 336 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,759 that Mitchell Robinson fills. Yeah, he is just like at times or especially 337 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:56,440 this season, especially since he's just returned, he's controlled chaos and really good. 338 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,200 So I do think he's better than an above average center. Like if 339 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,200 you're asking me whether I would prefer like what Miles Turner brings on offense and 340 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,240 even defense, Like, yeah, I'm gonna prefer Miles Turner, Like that's 341 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,200 we can be honest and just say that, like we don't need to overrate 342 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,880 all of these all of these guys. And so that's where I land on 343 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,480 the knick stuff. And the final thing here, just to echo, would 344 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:19,119 be I do think it should be up for consideration that you go the different 345 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,200 route of like maybe someone like if you need to use a man if you're 346 00:21:22,279 --> 00:21:26,240 just intent on trading a manual quickly for some reason, and you attach him 347 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:30,279 with Julius Randall to get rid of him, like I wouldn't. I wouldn't 348 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,000 do that because I think at this point you should be able to move random 349 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,680 without attaching first round type equity. But I don't know that for sure, 350 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:40,319 and there are other people I talk to you think that you do need to 351 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,640 attach a first to him to do it, in which case I wouldn't. 352 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,480 Don't think the Nick should be attaching a first to Randall, let alone Fourie 353 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,119 who has just the one year left on his deal. But you need to 354 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:52,400 we need to look at these things from other teams perspectives, And so I 355 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,759 don't get why everything is so horrible just because you know, if a fake 356 00:21:55,799 --> 00:21:59,759 trade doesn't have the Knicks, you know, getting a star. It's if 357 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:02,920 you're moving Randall. I think that you're improving the outlook of your team by 358 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,240 actually being able to discover more about your team. And I think that's how 359 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,599 the Knicks should approach the deadline. I don't think they will. I don't 360 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,000 ultimately know what happens with how they are approaching the deadline right now. But 361 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:18,119 I will say I would be very surprised if they get any anywhere near what 362 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,160 they gave up for Cam Redda. Even if they get a conditional first round 363 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,960 pick for Cam Reddish that has a chance of conveying, I will be shocked 364 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,079 about that when it comes to quickly. I don't think a low end first 365 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,839 is out of the equation, But like it's finding the team that's gonna do 366 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,119 it as hard is Orlando gonna give up? Like can they will they reprotect 367 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,319 the protected pick that they own from the Nuggets in twenty twenty five. Let's 368 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,039 say that pick is top five protection, So like, can the Magic just 369 00:22:42,079 --> 00:22:45,599 say, hey, we're gonna keep it if it's selections six through twelve, 370 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,000 but if it's not, you could you could get it and we'll take a 371 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:53,599 manuel quickly. Something out there like that wouldn't leave me flabbergasted. But I 372 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:59,759 do think that the appeal of quickly to teams around, Like it's not just 373 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,640 sky Hide just because he's valuable to the Knicks and shown a bunch of moments 374 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,759 like it's a guard heavy league right now and he is about to be extension 375 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,799 eligible, and so that is going to factor into the equation. There are 376 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,720 deals to be made out there for the Knicks, but based off how they're 377 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,400 approaching the deadline where they're I guess looking to get back picks there, I 378 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,599 just don't think that they're situated to do it like there. And you know, 379 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,920 I guess you can use San Antono, Indiana of cap space that you 380 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,200 could trade a Fournier into, but like you're gonna be compensating them for that, 381 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,119 and it doesn't seem like they want to do that either. And so 382 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,359 I'm very confused as to what the endgame here is, especially when you're already 383 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,079 not playing some of these players that you're looking to move in a Derrick rose 384 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:45,039 In and Evan Fournier. So I don't know what to expect. I guess 385 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,839 in the Knicks of the deadline, but I based off what we've heard, 386 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,440 my approach would just be actually clear up these minutes or actually trying to optimize 387 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,039 this roster because it doesn't seem like you're ready to lean into a rebuild and 388 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:59,680 the market's just not ready for you to go after another star. I'm open 389 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,240 to letting you, I'm open to hearing what you think about this comment on 390 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,759 YouTube. You can get at me on Twitter at Dan for Valley. You 391 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,319 are joining, can join our discord. I'm sure people will be talking about 392 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:15,480 this, but it was just something I felt the need to podcast about because 393 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:18,039 I was honestly just shocked. Like even if you don't there are trades that 394 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:19,519 I was looking at and I don't know that if I were the Knicks, 395 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:22,759 I would make them, but I was trying to justify it through both teams 396 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,240 lenses. Yeah, I if you ask me if I could trade Julius Randall 397 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,599 right now for Jay Crowd and Dario Starch, I would do it because I 398 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,160 think that, you know, maybe Crowder doesn't want to be in New York 399 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,519 if they're not willing to pay him long term. But if he's willing to 400 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,720 play out the year and actually report to the team, you can do a 401 00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,680 lot of different cool things at the four. Are you playing him with Obie 402 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,400 Topping at the five when Obie's healthy, Like he's a better fit alongside Mitchell 403 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,200 Robinson, just as someone who's used to kind of standing beyond the arc and 404 00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:52,960 is not gonna have He has the same high swings as Julius Randall, just 405 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,039 without the usage and so it opens up all different sorts of things. I 406 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:57,680 don't think it's egregious to think that way. Where if you could flip Julius 407 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,920 Randall for expiring money to be more flexible, to have more maaluability in your 408 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,400 rotation, that's a discussion that I think is worth having. It doesn't mean 409 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,000 you do it. I want to make that clear. It doesn't mean you 410 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:11,920 do it. But like, let's have these tough talks and let's not be 411 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,440 assholes while we're doing it. So let me know where you land on this. 412 00:25:15,599 --> 00:25:17,480 The Knicks news, the rumors, What do you want them to do 413 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,440 with the deadline? What do you think they should do? How much an 414 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,680 idiot am I am? I? Actually? But please remember too, no 415 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,119 matter what you do, no matter what you say, subscribe to us. 416 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,200 Hit the suboton on YouTube, Apple, Spotify, cross sub both on the 417 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,440 audio podcast platforms and YouTube. If you've done both those things. Shout outs 418 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,880 on Twitter go a long way because I can retweet them and maybe people will 419 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,039 see them. Bump our own promos on Twitter. Hit the retweet. 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