WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.080 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.160 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:12.960 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest encryptids and other 5 00:00:13.000 --> 00:00:17.120 things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 6 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:23.039 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network is 7 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:28.000 a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all podcast 8 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:32.119 platforms, YouTube, and more. 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Yes, yes, I know 18 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:36.719 aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatchis you, guys, 19 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.920 and welcome back to Sasquatch and Potas. Thanks so much for clicking play. 20 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:44.239 I hope you guys are having a great week and have an amazing show lined 21 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.719 up for you. But before we get there, I want to start by 22 00:01:46.760 --> 00:01:49.120 inviting me. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the 23 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.239 show, shoot me an email. You can get me a Brian Apparentimal World 24 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.120 Productions dot com. You can head over to the website and check it out. 25 00:01:56.159 --> 00:02:00.680 Became I remember there and he'll support this show. I decided to do 26 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.640 something that I haven't done in quite a while. I have remastered some of 27 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.280 the older episodes in the past and did some more editing and improved the quality 28 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:13.800 of the audio. And I was actually doing that today for a show that 29 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:17.400 we're going to air over on w d j Y ninety nine point one FM 30 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:22.159 in Atlanta. We are on the radio now, but I actually went way 31 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.400 back to like October of twenty twenty one. It was episode sixty eight. 32 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:30.800 It's the Less Stroud Survivor Man interview, and he was on a computer and 33 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:35.479 he wasn't using a microphone, and there's a lot of echo in the background, 34 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:38.039 and I wanted to clean that stuff up and take out some of the 35 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:39.759 talking I was doing. I was really excited to talk to Less Stroud. 36 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:44.120 I've been a Survivor Man fan forever, and I was doing a whole lot 37 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.400 more talking than I should have been. So some of the stuff that you've 38 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.159 heard from me before, I took that out and I shortened the episode to 39 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:52.240 about fifty minutes or so. I am, frankly really proud of what I 40 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:54.199 was able to do with the audio in this interview. It's much better. 41 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.080 The echo's gone. It sounds like Less is right here in the room in 42 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:00.240 the studio with me. So I think you're really really going to enjoy it. 43 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.000 Or without further ado, I'm going to stop bumping my gums and let 44 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.240 the music play. You gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show. 45 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.000 Our girls will want to welk on my guest tonight. It's none other than 46 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.520 the Survivorman himself, Less Stroud welcome to the show. Lest Oh, thank 47 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.560 you very much. I just want to get right into it. I've looked 48 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.280 forward to this interview. We've been working to get you and our schedules aligned, 49 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:44.719 and it's finally happened. So this is an encounter show, so obviously 50 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.080 I want to talk about some of your encounters. But before that, I 51 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:51.759 became a fan of Survivor. Man. I'm sure people have probably heard the 52 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.919 story, but would you mind taking us back to the beginnings of Survivorman and 53 00:03:55.000 --> 00:04:00.080 sort of lay the foundation of your survival training and what that show started, 54 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:02.879 and then we'll just move on from there. Oh, I'll try to keep 55 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:08.400 it brief. Then that's a long story in the end though, after a 56 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.120 career essentially a career if you want to call it that, as an outdoor 57 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:15.240 guide. You know, one of my disciplines that I love so much dearly 58 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:18.720 was survival training everything involved with that, walitable plants and shelters and fires, 59 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:23.319 tanning hides and borrow and arrow hunting and all the rest. So I did 60 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:27.199 that for a lot of years and I always wanted to well put together just 61 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.920 a you know, it would have been a home VHS video series back when 62 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.360 I originally had the idea and I just wanted to do that and teach the 63 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.959 lessons and do it well. But in the end, to make a long 64 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:43.399 story short, time passed on and eventually I pitched the idea to a television 65 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.800 network and got it on air first in Canada, and the idea was that, 66 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:53.480 Really, the idea always stemmed from my desire to teach, and so 67 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.160 Survivor Man, from day one to the very till now, has always been 68 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.399 about teaching and teaching skills and those skills being a facilitator for getting you out 69 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:03.199 in the woods. Because all I really want to do is get people out 70 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:08.120 in my woods, right, and these skills facilitate that. So yeah, 71 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:13.720 I created it, which you know that was going back ninety nine was inside 72 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:17.199 of my conversations two thousand and one as when I got the first pilot on 73 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:21.000 air and nothing there was nothing else like it on television. Fast forward that 74 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:26.160 just a few years and it's now a big hit, and that's when the 75 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:29.319 copycats came along, and you know, which is why, you know, 76 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.439 in the end, I get credited for creating an entire TV genre, because 77 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:35.160 without Survivor Man, you don't have man versus Wild or Naked and Afraid or 78 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:39.040 a Loan or any of these shows. Survivor Man was in. It was 79 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.759 the first one, and I was told by networking, these network executives that 80 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.199 no one was ever going to want to watch survival on television, and I 81 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:47.879 just said, I just think you're wrong, and I proved them wrong. 82 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.120 And then boy did it ever? Did they ever get proved wrong? Because 83 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:56.360 it spawned I wish I had somehow the ability to patent the whole scenario and 84 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.800 I'd be a rich man today. But it spawned an entire industry of survival 85 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:04.000 television that still is going strong. There's so much credibility to what you did 86 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:06.920 on Survivor Man. I was a cop for sixteen years, and you know, 87 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.000 you don't always write tickets and answer calls. So I used to literally 88 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.319 sit in my patrol car and that was one of the ways I passed my 89 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.800 time, was watching Survivor Man on my phone, you know, and it 90 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:19.720 was clear that what you did was real, and that lends so much credibility. 91 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:24.639 And when someone with that much credibility takes a look at something like Bigfoot 92 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.439 and does the Survivor Man Bigfoot show, it makes people stop in pause. 93 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:32.040 It's almost like the Jeff Meldrum. And when somebody at that caliber in their 94 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.000 field takes a look at something like this in a real way, I think 95 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:40.759 it just lends that much more credibility to what you're doing in the subject in 96 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:44.759 general. Look, I'm no saint in this world. But the thing is, 97 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:49.680 I'm addicted to nonfiction and documentary filmmaking. I mean, I quit Shark 98 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:53.680 Week because of the crap they wanted to say, or they wanted me to 99 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:58.519 say while making Shark Week shows. I pulled away from you know, it 100 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.800 was a dream come true at the time, but I pulled away from National 101 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:04.120 Geographic because doing the series Grizzly Gaunlet Fro Nat Geo Wilde, they wanted me 102 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:08.199 to say a whole bunch of crap that wasn't true about the bears and cariboon 103 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.000 such and so it was the same thing with Survivor Man and now. I 104 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:13.480 mean, that's how the rest of the series came about. Was I was 105 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.360 asked to be a fraud, essentially, as asked to cheat the show, 106 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.800 and I said no, sure, I'm sure all the others and bear girls 107 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:23.879 of the bear girls of this world are laughing on their way to the bank. 108 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.639 Good for them. But I'm not a dancing monkey, and I can 109 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:32.480 just speak anywhere I want to with complete truth because what you saw and what 110 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.720 I did is what you've got. There was no drama imposed upon you as 111 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:39.560 the viewer. All the other shows staged it, you know, to this 112 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:44.120 day, I mean Alone doesn't stage it, but Alone's storyline is still manipulated 113 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.519 by producers to be something it wasn't. So yeah, that authenticity was always 114 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.120 important to me. And again I'm not saying here, you know, but 115 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:56.120 in the world of art and then creating art and creating my documentary filmwork, 116 00:07:56.160 --> 00:08:00.439 authenticity was super important to me. Now being on the first time with Joe 117 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:03.600 Rogan and he's like, I can see it in your eyes. You can't 118 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.959 get eyes like that if you're sleeping in the hotel. You can't look like 119 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.920 that if you've been eating it fine for a few days. You know. 120 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.240 So it really did. I didn't have to portray anything. It really showed 121 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:18.279 itself. And so yeah, you're right. Even the concept of me doing 122 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.839 the Bigfoot series or the whole Bigfoot part of my world opening up, you 123 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.000 know, that came about because I answered one simple question. Honestly, you 124 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.360 know, nobody'd ask me anything about bigfoot. And one day I'm on the 125 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:33.039 Opi and Anthony Show and they asked, and they ask it, you know, 126 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:35.000 with a smirk on their faces, like hey, dude, yeah, 127 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:37.399 seeing big foot out there, you know they and of course me being me, 128 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.120 well actually yeah. So that opens up the story, and I end 129 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.679 up telling my story on the Opi and Anthony Show, and then I just 130 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:50.360 see all of this postings and social media was happening then. But I still 131 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:52.840 sat on it. And I'll tell you why I sat on it to further 132 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:56.919 this point and to further what you were just asking me about. I sat 133 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.039 on it because if I jumped on it right then and there, there would 134 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.519 have been nothing authentic for me. I would have been doing it like I'm 135 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.679 just going to try and manipulate this, capitalize on this. And I said, 136 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:09.519 when something happened to me on a Survivor Man episode in Alaska, I 137 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.480 sat on that and didn't tell anyone because I didn't want everybody getting caught up 138 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.080 in the bigfoot question when I was trying to teach them how to make a 139 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.000 shelter. I didn't want Bigfoot getting in the way of survival. Why because 140 00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.679 I loved my survival teaching and so yeah, so then I waited for the 141 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:28.159 right time kind of thing. Would you mind sharing with us your first encounters 142 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:35.320 and what really propelled you towards the search for what this bigfoot creature, this 143 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.000 Sasquats creature is. I'll bet you anybody who spent a lot of time going 144 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.799 down this road, what might be able to say sort of the similar thing. 145 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:46.080 Once you believe or feel let's let's throw the word believe out of the 146 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:50.000 equation, or once you feel that you've had at least a very bizarre encounter 147 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:52.639 that you can't explain. I'm not talking about visual. Let's keep visual over 148 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:58.639 on the shelf for now. Seeing one straight on close up, not being 149 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.679 high, not making mistake, that's a thing. That's a big thing. 150 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.360 When you start to go down this road. Then when you look back at 151 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.399 your life, if you did a lot of life in the wilderness, you 152 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:15.440 start to go you know, I wonder if that thing that time when we 153 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.759 were fishing on that lake, I wonder about that now, and that happens 154 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.159 that happened to me. So when you asked the question my first bigfoot encounter. 155 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:26.200 It's actually a matter of my memory and saying, wow, I can 156 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.879 tell you the first time I thought like or I really was down the road. 157 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.159 But there were times before that that I look back at now. So, 158 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:39.200 for example, the first time was in Ontario, Canada, and I 159 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.879 was just practicing survival with a buddy and we were staying on a lake off 160 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:48.480 of the Moon River in Ontario. He built his shelter a few hundred yards 161 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.840 away, on the other side of a berm. I'm over on this side 162 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.679 of the berm's and I built my shelter, and at some point around midnight, 163 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.200 I'm at the shore of a lake and I just hear this most god 164 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:05.799 awful, horrifying screaming that sounded like women being tortured in a Satanic ritual. 165 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:07.759 I mean, if you ever get the hebgbs, this was the time to 166 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.720 get them. Because Wow. Now, granted that could have been Portcubine's fighting. 167 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.519 It could have been a strange bunch of cougars, so it was weird. 168 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.159 But I will tell you that it scared me, and I'm never scared 169 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.320 in the woods. It scared me out of the woods. I went over, 170 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.159 I woke up my buddy, dog who slept through through the whole bloody 171 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:24.840 thing. I'm like, dot, did you hear that? No, it 172 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.240 an't. I'm like, well, I'm not staying. I'm not staying after 173 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.759 hearing that, and I left. So that number one. Number two, 174 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:33.919 I spent a year living in the woods with my ex wife. During the 175 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:35.279 year leading up to that year living in the woods, we went up and 176 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.600 did a research trip and we were camping. One night I heard walking towards 177 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:43.759 the tent. This is literally that quote unquote middle of nowhere scenario and far 178 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:48.799 northern Canada, and I heard walking through the woods towards the tent, a 179 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.519 very heavy, you know, bipedal walking. Now, I'm really comfortable and 180 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:56.720 familiar with moose and bear and everything that's out there, and this was not 181 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:00.679 that there's not a bear walking in its own tracks or anything like that, 182 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:05.159 or this wasn't bipedal and heavy. And I for this day will regret not 183 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:09.559 unzipping the tent and looking out. But the reason why didn't I was scared. 184 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.000 Now, that's the funny thing about this. You know, everybody thinks 185 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.480 they're gonna be all tough when they get out there, but when you're in 186 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.960 these situations. It's incredible, this strange innerfere that grips you and stops you 187 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.200 from doing the things that you should do that everybody's going to criticize you for 188 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.240 not doing later when you try to tell your story and you go, I 189 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:30.320 don't know why I didn't do it, but I couldn't do it well. 190 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:33.440 I didn't open up my tent and I just yelled out like I would if 191 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.279 it was a barrowett hey or over here. And I heard thump, thump, 192 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:39.840 and just like the little pregnant pause and almost like you could hear it 193 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:46.320 turning around and I heard thump up and just walking away. And I remember, 194 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:48.240 and this is long before any of this, long before survivor man or 195 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.840 any of this, turning to my ex wife and saying, I think that 196 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.559 might have been a big foot, and she went, I know it was 197 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.720 the weirdest thing, but that's just a couple of people camping in the woods 198 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:07.039 here and something strange and kind of conjecturing. Because because because I mean this, 199 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.440 long before finding Bigfoot or Doug high checks work with Munster Quest, long 200 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:16.480 before any of that stuff, I guess it'd be the nineties, early early 201 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:20.080 nineties, so those are the first two that I would say are that I 202 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.159 look back now and think, okay, they are not what spurred me on 203 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.519 to do Survivor Man Bigfoot. But to answer your question more directly, those 204 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:31.799 are my first two what I believe to be potentially some kind of encounter experience. 205 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.960 I do not rest in the camp. I believe that there's a lot 206 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:39.720 of extremes in the Bigfoot world, and I always believe that the truth lies 207 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:45.480 somewhere in the middle. I know you've had other experiences that were more than 208 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:50.279 just stomping and vocalizations in the woods. Would you mind sharing your other encounters 209 00:13:50.279 --> 00:13:54.879 that were more of the not flesh and blood camp. Sure, but I 210 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:56.919 think it's good to premise us with a little bit of backdrop to it. 211 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.399 For one like you, I'm a very I'm a I'm a weird cross between 212 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.519 skepticism and a wide open mind, you know, And that's what I thought 213 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:09.240 I needed to create Survivor Man big Foot. I'm gonna go in skeptical but 214 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:13.639 believing everything you tell me. So you tell me that your grandfather used to 215 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:16.440 feed them pancakes off the back porch. Great, Do you mind if I 216 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:18.519 go camp in your backyard. So I'm not you know, including you know, 217 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:22.480 I've been with controversial figures like taught standing and so on. I'm not 218 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:28.080 going to and jet Meldrum and Jump Binnernagel and Stop Carpenter. Not that they're 219 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.320 all controversial, but all these different individuals, and I'm just wide open. 220 00:14:31.440 --> 00:14:33.320 Do you say this thing, then I say, okay, prove it to 221 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.120 me or show me or take me there. And you're kind of jumping to 222 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:41.960 the end of my journey in many ways because that thing you said about you're 223 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:46.919 not in a particular camp, I discovered along the way that there is really 224 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.960 it's like a baseline of what people believed, you know, and over here 225 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:56.120 it's a big, really smart ape, bipedal ape, and over here it's 226 00:14:56.159 --> 00:15:00.960 aliens and everything in between. So I was caught up in that for a 227 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:03.600 while, trying to see, you know, where I would go in this 228 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:11.320 doing Survivor Man Bigfoot created for me an absolutely incredible opportunity to experience so much 229 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.399 interview, so many go so many places you know, be out there that 230 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.440 I quickly learned I don't want to be in any one of those camps. 231 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.320 And I even said I'm not going to be the poster boy for anybody when 232 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.840 I do this series, and a lot of people wanted me to be a 233 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.399 poster boy for their perception on what Bigfoot is. I remember doing a keynote 234 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:33.639 a while ago for David Politis and I said, I tell you one thing, 235 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:37.279 and this isn't going to endear me to anybody, But nobody in this 236 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:39.879 room has a freaking clue what it is. Don't pretend like you do. 237 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.799 We don't know. I understand why Jeff would sit very solidly in Gigantopithecus. 238 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.879 He really needs to with his peers, and he takes a lot of heap 239 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.320 where he is as a professor. And I understand why John Binnernagel did the 240 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:58.600 same thing. Why he was so focused more on other scientists accepting what he 241 00:15:58.639 --> 00:16:00.519 accepted. So when you would speak to John, for example, if you 242 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.679 brought up orbs or the ability to manifest energy, he was out of the 243 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:11.200 conversation. Conversations over because that would not fly with other scientists. I didn't 244 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.399 have that weight on my shoulders. I could believe whatever I wanted to believe, 245 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.000 listen to whoever I wanted to listen to. That was good because it 246 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:19.480 kept me very open, and again, like I say, you're kind of 247 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.279 going right to the end of my journey in a way, even to where 248 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:27.039 I am today. I think what became appared to me was paying attention to 249 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.600 what I would say, are the attributes of a phenomenon. What are these 250 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:34.480 attributes? Well, now you have all the attributes to talk about throwing of 251 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:40.639 rocks, vocalizations, knocking up sticks on trees, smells bad, defecates, 252 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:44.720 hair samples, screaming. Then you have get stuck to get a little more 253 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.360 like like, okay, what about mine speak? And what about their? 254 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.519 You know, seems like they could change, change their appearance, you know, 255 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:56.919 almost even disappear. I kind of landed in a place where we're already 256 00:16:56.000 --> 00:17:00.720 dealing with an incredible phenomenon. That's what I like to call it, phenomenon, 257 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.480 right, And so I just one day looked at all of these attributes, 258 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:08.319 all of these hundreds to thousands of anecdotal reference is all saying the same 259 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.559 thing, and I thought, what if it actually just has all What if 260 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:17.319 let's mesh them all together and see what we get. Maybe it is gigantopithecus, 261 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.680 But maybe Gigantopithecus has all these attributes, you know, and all these 262 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:26.200 different abilities. So that opened me right up to kind of where I am 263 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:33.920 today. But to go down the road that you've asked, it probably started 264 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:37.640 my god, I do I remember this correctly? I don't want to misquote 265 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.880 my own self here and when I did this, because I'm trying to remember 266 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.440 whether I was with Scott Carpenter in Tennessee or with taught standing in Radium Springs, 267 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.480 and which one came first in that situation. And I ended up and 268 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:52.079 Todd and I went up to the top of the mountain and you know, 269 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:56.440 we tadd you know, no offense, Todd, but everything is a sasquatch, 270 00:17:56.640 --> 00:17:59.440 every every stamp, every break, everything, you know, it's kind 271 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.799 of like that. To his credit is because he's so intensely interested. And 272 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.920 I would and he knows I would argue with him at saying I don't think 273 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:10.839 so I could have been an owl. Oh you know, they imitate owls. 274 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:12.119 I could have been a raven. He knows, like, oh, 275 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:15.559 they could imitate ravens. Okay, now now, no, no, sorry. 276 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:18.119 So I would argue with a lot of different people out there, you 277 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.440 know, in this situation. And I even tried to tempt Jeff Meldram into 278 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:26.319 the conversation of more paranormal attributes, which is a fun tempting scientists. True 279 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:30.240 and true. Although, Jeff, if you're listening, one of these days, 280 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:32.440 and I know you're a good Mormon man, but one of these days, 281 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.079 I think I would just like to give you a couple of beer and 282 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:37.920 then pull you aside and then see what you really think. As I think 283 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.759 about a lot of these different individuals who I respect so much, but I 284 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:44.720 think they hold inside some of the stuff they really think is going on. 285 00:18:44.759 --> 00:18:48.880 And Jeff Maldram has hurt and learned so much, but he has the respect 286 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.519 of his peers to consider. Right, David Politis, he's learned no so 287 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.720 much, but again, so much is kept in. I don't blame them 288 00:18:56.720 --> 00:19:00.000 in a way. It's their own right to do so. Me I don't. 289 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:02.920 I don't really care. And so for me, you know, here 290 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.200 I am going up the mountain with Todd standing, and I'm still looking for 291 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.720 a big ape. It has to be very, very smart, because that's 292 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.119 facing. If it was a big ape and it wasn't all that smart, 293 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:15.279 we'd have one in ensue, we'd have them stuffed in lodges around the world, 294 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:18.640 but we don't. So whatever, if it's just an ape, okay, 295 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:23.079 granted, justin a it better be incredibly smart within its scope of experience 296 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:26.759 and the way it lives. So I'm up the mountain looking for this now. 297 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.440 But this was the first time. So the first night, Todd stays 298 00:19:30.519 --> 00:19:33.039 not and the apples disappear off the tree, and it's kind of weird. 299 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.839 It's like, oh, but the camera fell for crying a lot. Really 300 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.319 the camera Todd leaves goes down the mountain. Next night, I'm up. 301 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:45.079 I'm up on the top of a mountain by myself in heavy grizzly territory. 302 00:19:45.480 --> 00:19:48.960 That's just me getting across my badassarre right now, you know, trying to 303 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:55.160 make contact with a phenomenon that has a reputation of everything from being benevolent to 304 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.440 killing you and abducting it and everything in between. Stay tuned for more Sasquat 305 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:07.640 jealousy right back after these messages. So I'm up there, but I just 306 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:11.039 stayed really open, wide open to the whole thing. Now I fall asleep. 307 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:12.880 I know what everyone's going to say when I tell the next part of 308 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.799 my story. But I'll tell the story first, and then and then then 309 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:19.880 I'll disqualify it. I'm in a sleeping bag and I'm on my left side, 310 00:20:21.440 --> 00:20:22.759 and I sleep with the sleeping bag up over my head. I was 311 00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:26.799 a childhood or something come back. When I was at the head stating bag 312 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.960 right up over my head. I believe I was away. Something was putting 313 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.440 pressure on my side, and for the life of me, it felt like 314 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:37.319 a big set of buttocks sitting on my side, like as if your big 315 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:38.759 brother came over and sat on you and you're a sleeping bag and said, 316 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:42.480 ah, you can't get up. And my right arm was down my side 317 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.680 and I couldn't move it, and I try really harden it. All of 318 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.640 a sudden, I'm trying to reach and as I'm getting the thing down to 319 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:53.599 go get my head out, it just sort of releases and I come out 320 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.680 of the bag and I'm kind of looking around. Now. I know what 321 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.359 people are thinking, Oh, that's the old lady syndrome of sitting on your 322 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:02.799 chest. It's lucid dreaming. Hey, you might be right, but I've 323 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:06.440 actually experienced that too. This didn't seem like that. That's all I can 324 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.359 tell you. All you have is my word that This didn't seem like that. 325 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:11.880 So now what am I talking about here? Now it's sounding like freaking 326 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:15.599 magic, Like, what do you mean he sat on you and then he 327 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.720 disappeared? All I can tell you is that's what it felt like. So 328 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:22.119 I got I didn't sleep the rest of that night. As you can imagine. 329 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.799 I got up and I went over to the edge of the mountain and 330 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:29.759 I'm looking across the sky and I'm looking out and I saw the four biggest 331 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.640 lights in the sky I've ever seen in my life. They weren't that far 332 00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:34.960 away, but they were far away in a strange way, and they were 333 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:38.640 massive. There's no such a thing as an airplane this big, and these 334 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:42.160 four big lights lined up. Now here we go into that other side of 335 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:47.720 this. I'm a filmmaker. I'm there with my cameras to film. Why 336 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:51.400 didn't I film them? I didn't. I didn't even think about filming the 337 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:55.720 part of me Again, just like when I had the experience in Alaska while 338 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.440 I was doing Survivor Man, I didn't want to highlight Bigfoot. Then I 339 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.359 didn't want to highlight the lights in the sky this time, like no, 340 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:04.640 no, no, no, I'm here because of the sasquatch phenomenon. That 341 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.599 looks like I don't know that God, that looks like UFA, What am 342 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:11.960 I gonna do with this? Right? So I just let it go. 343 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:15.000 I turned away, and a few minutes later and they were just gone. 344 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.759 But they were huge. I can't explain them as they were not airplanes. 345 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.359 I can guarantee you that, but I don't know what they were. Okay, 346 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:25.200 So then I have this experience. The ending of this story is that 347 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.839 the next morning I go down. We'd put apples and chocolate bars and things 348 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:30.559 up on a tree and we put them sixteen feet up because I stood on 349 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:34.960 todd shoulders to place them up in the tree, and my night vision camera 350 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:40.039 was left there to film pointing up at them. And in the end, 351 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.720 get down and I pulled the cards out of the cameras, like, oh 352 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:47.440 my gosh, the cards have been it's been triggered. Go down, look 353 00:22:47.480 --> 00:22:52.519 at the footage, and these apples disappear on frame. They just they just 354 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.720 disappear on frame, as if it was a magic trip. You know, 355 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.079 I'm a filmmaker and I know cameras. I'm hard pressed to give you an 356 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.319 answer as to why they would just disappear. Even if they fell off of 357 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.799 the camera. I mean dust triggered that camera. You would have seen the 358 00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:10.240 fall like it would have triggered the camera as it was falling. But these 359 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.119 things were they were stuck on hard. They weren't going to fall. You'd 360 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.000 have to work them to get them off. Everything was in a situation, 361 00:23:15.400 --> 00:23:18.279 saving for many maybe for one of the chocolate bars, it was just sitting 362 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:21.279 on a branch. Everything was in a situation. It was stuck on the 363 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:25.319 tree. So nothing's going to just you know, gently roll off a branch 364 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.799 because of a a win. And they were just gone. No explanation for 365 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.200 that. Months later, we're in the edit of that show and I'm expecting 366 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:33.240 that to be shown and my editor goes, what do you want me to 367 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:37.000 do about that last thing at the end of that head that bumps into the 368 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.400 end the end of the scene. I went, what head, Well, 369 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.440 you know the thing that happens at the very end of No, I didn't 370 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.799 see that, and rush out any and that's when he showed me some kind 371 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:52.279 of forehead kind of bumps into the bottom of the frame of what we're watching 372 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.920 just for a second there. But I know that that frame was sitting at 373 00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:59.160 about seven feet off the ground. So all of that happens. Again, 374 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:03.240 blending with your commentary on mixing the paranormal with sasquatch and so on, is 375 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.240 to say again, nobody listening to this, not one person listening to this, 376 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.839 knows what they are. Even if it's somebody who's even seen one, 377 00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:14.799 which I have not, you still don't know what they are or what they're 378 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.240 capable of. And truly, if they exist, they're capable of stuff that 379 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:19.920 we can't do, which rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It 380 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.359 doesn't mother me at all. I'm sure they can do lots of things we 381 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.079 can't do. They can't write a symphony, and they can't make airplanes or 382 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.319 motor boats or cars, but they can do a lot of other stuff we 383 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.799 can't do. So to the last time around, which was for the first 384 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.599 time in my life, I went out with Devin Masson and we shot what 385 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:37.480 was actually in my last Bigfoot episode that I've ever shot so far in Portland 386 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.559 area and I saw my first or what's that all about? I saw a 387 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.799 light fifteen feet away hovering off the ground and it changed size and it's like, 388 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.480 so, what do you want me to say to you. You know, 389 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:51.519 I was in the middle of the woods. There was nothing flashing. 390 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.279 It wasn't car lights, it was hovering right there. What are we left 391 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:59.519 with? You know, I think we're left with a very fascinating phenomenon. 392 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.160 It has all kinds of attributes that we were barely scratching the surface of and 393 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:06.640 we didn't even get into mind speak yet. So but I'm gonna shut up 394 00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:08.119 and have a drink of my wine. I think what happened was along the 395 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.799 way it became a macho pursuit. It became you know, who's going to 396 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.480 discover Bigfoot first, Who's going to expose Bigfoot to the world first, Who's 397 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:18.599 gonna hunt one and shoot one down first? All of that and a lot 398 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.480 of that came out of well, I've often said I'll say this, and 399 00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:22.880 I will come back later and qualified if you want, because it's a little 400 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.680 bit of a finger throwing the ring. But but I've often said that finding 401 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.119 Bigfoot was the worst thing that ever happened to the pursuit of Sasquatch, and 402 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:33.440 the phenomenon itself was barn I'm the worst thing. Doug Hicheck, that guy's 403 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.519 a complete fraud total. Oh no, I'm just kidding. I just want 404 00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.599 to see it, he said, what now, Doug Hicheck inspired me. 405 00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:45.480 His work on Monster Quest was unparalleled. Love all of his work and what 406 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.720 he's done. Doug, forgive me if I get this story wrong. I've 407 00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.039 quoted his story a couple of times. I remember him saying to me, 408 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:53.279 and I think, Doug, if I'm getting it correctly. It was a 409 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:56.039 matter of him going up and I believe it was a fishing trip, and 410 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.880 I believe it was Quebec and landing on a lake can a float plane and 411 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:04.720 finding these massive footprints with a massive stride, and then following them for a 412 00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:08.440 mile or more and then up which they just kept going because you gotta understand 413 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:14.000 there's long, big sand beaches in the High Canada, and then getting a 414 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:18.160 horrifying feeling all of a sudden and just turning around and stopping his pursuit and 415 00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:19.640 leaving. Sorry, Doug if I got some of the details wrong, but 416 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:22.880 that's one of the ones I referred to and say. It is like, 417 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.400 look, that ain't hoaxing, you know. It's not like somebody went up 418 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:29.279 on that shore and put a bunch of big foot tracks for the odds that 419 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.079 someone might land there on a float plane. There's the middle of nowhere in 420 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:38.480 Canada. Right, this thing, this bissiveness is it's really unfortunate. It's 421 00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.319 dying down now. I think I think everybody wanted to be on Finding Bigfoot. 422 00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.559 Every we wanted to be on the town hall. Everybody wanted their story 423 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:49.400 told, everybody wanted their big Foot Symposium to be sold out. Right, 424 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:55.119 started getting a bunch of those, right. But the people who really truly 425 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.319 are into this are There are some really wonderful people. David Politis, wonderful 426 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.720 man, Doug high Check, Jeff Meldrum, God rest his soul, John 427 00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:06.839 Binnernagel, Scott Carpenter and no, I'm forgetting people now They're gonna mad because 428 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.440 I forgot them. There's also Todd Standing. Lakam or hate him, there 429 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.440 is Todd Standing. I have no problem talking about Todd because I know he's 430 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:18.319 a controversial figure in all of this, because he's done so many things that 431 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.160 either excite people or rub them the wrong way. But all of these individuals 432 00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:23.960 and all it's all of the competing beliefs about this. It's like, in 433 00:27:25.039 --> 00:27:26.880 the end, it's like, come on, we none of us know. 434 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.640 Even if you saw one in the flesh, you still don't know what it 435 00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.799 is. I mean, I wish I was you. I wish I had 436 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:34.519 had that experience you had, but you still don't know what it is. 437 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:38.160 And so that's what I try to say to people who don't care about it 438 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.400 at all. It's like, look, it's just a really interesting phenomenon with 439 00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.440 thousands of years to it, hundreds of cultures to it around the globe, 440 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:52.839 tens of thousands of anecdotal references. Come on, if there's that much behind 441 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.240 it got to be something. And it's cool in the end if it gets 442 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.680 you out in the wilderness. Once again, that's my big there. We've 443 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:03.480 did a couple of times. I have to get the Todd Standing conversation out 444 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:06.279 of the way, because in preparation for this, I went back and looked 445 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.599 at some of your interviews. I've heard some of the things that you've said 446 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.920 about Todd Standing. I will be the first to admit I have called him 447 00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:15.039 out on this show because I've had a problem with some of the things that 448 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:19.880 he's put out and presented as fact. As a matter of fact, I'll 449 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:25.599 listened to it today. What your take on his videos as a filmmaker, 450 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:29.000 and I'll be honest, for the first time, it gave me pause because 451 00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:33.519 what you said make sense when you gave your opinion on the videotapes in particular, 452 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:37.240 because I've said it before and I'll say it again, and I've always 453 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.759 done this. I do believe Todd Standing has had multiple encounters with sasquatch. 454 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.640 I just don't know about all the evidence presented. So I guess my question 455 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.079 to you is where are you on that with him? And what is your 456 00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.519 professional opinion. Let's just take the videos for example. You're a filmmaker, 457 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.960 so you've looked at those. Would you mind sharing your opinion on just the 458 00:28:56.119 --> 00:29:00.039 videos? Yeah, I've held the video hard drives in my hands, and 459 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.640 you know, the hard drives downloaded from his cards in my hand and put 460 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:06.319 them up in my added suites. And I know Todd's going to listen to 461 00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:07.799 this. So Todd, he knows how I feel about everything. I don't 462 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.720 have an axe to grind, and I also don't have any need to pander 463 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.119 in one way or the other. By the way, another name I said 464 00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.119 I'd forget a name, Bigfoot. Stacy Brown Jr. One of my bros. 465 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.759 The guy is phenomenal and he's true to heart and everything he wants to 466 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.480 do when it comes to a researching skunk ape and sun squats. So another 467 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:27.480 another fantastic person in all of this, Bigfoot Stacy, Hopefully you're listening and 468 00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.920 give me a shout, Yo, me a call with Todd. Sure you 469 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:36.559 know I've alreadys said that Todd can be overly enthusiastic. Shall we say? 470 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:42.960 He's incredibly focused and driven in this subject matter. He has the focus and 471 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:49.319 drive of quite frankly, you know, boring on what you might consider be 472 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:52.839 the autism or or Asperger Synder. Now, I'm not saying that he has 473 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.319 those. I'm saying that his drive and his focus is like that. It's 474 00:29:56.519 --> 00:30:00.440 very intent and very this is at it. You know it's going to happen, 475 00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:06.039 and God love him for that. But that intensity turns off a lot 476 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:10.079 of people. We look at individuals and I can't stand that guy. That 477 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:11.920 guy's an asshole. You know. We say things like that about people with 478 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.880 a strong intensity. I'm very judgmental, don't get me wrong, but I 479 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:21.400 don't judge people if they have either of them. I'm not saying any of 480 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.000 this is true about Todd Standing. But I'm saying I don't judge people if 481 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.559 they have a massive ego or if they're an asshole or whatever, especially if 482 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.759 they have something I want, you know, because sometimes I'll be dealing with 483 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.079 someone with a massive ego. But hey, he's the ticket in So when 484 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:40.559 a personality like Todds is there and he's doing any one of his talks or 485 00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.519 his videos, people get a vibe. And many people don't like that vibe. 486 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.000 All right, fair enough, But regardless of whether you're not you have 487 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.400 a bad vibe. It's got nothing to do with whether or not he's telling 488 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:57.799 the truth or presenting real evidence, nothing whatsoever. So I went out with 489 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.599 him on several occasions, and what I can say about him this, to 490 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.599 his credit, the man his boots on the ground. Absolutely, he will 491 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.960 be out there for weeks on end. Again, there's that drive, there's 492 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.119 that focus. So if anybody's going to get something, he stands a good 493 00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:17.680 chance because he just doesn't quit. He's relentless. By the same token, 494 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.279 when we were out there, I called him many times, Todd, I 495 00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.359 don't think that's a big foot at all. I think that's an owl and 496 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:26.079 to his credit, he would say, oh, you might be right. 497 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:27.359 Now to somebody else, they might go, oh, that's a big foot 498 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:30.000 and they might just buy into it. Right. I never bought into anything. 499 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:33.920 And when you that way, he did respond in kind. He responded 500 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.359 with, okay, you got a point, but just saying the stuff that 501 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.480 he presented, Jimmy was a lot of I mean, at first, outlood 502 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.599 at things and I thought, did Todd build this stick structure? Did he 503 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:45.839 make these things? Like? You know, like you think that right? 504 00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.880 And I'd say that right to him, like I'm trying to think like, 505 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.799 But then I'm looking at it, going, well, he's a strong dude, 506 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.920 but not that strong. So you wanted me to speak more about the 507 00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.519 film, but I wanted I had before I get to the film. I 508 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:02.039 had to premise my beliefs in about Todd. Right, So again, it 509 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:06.720 is everything that he presents real and accurate. I don't know, haven't got 510 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:10.039 a freaking clude. But I say the same thing about Stacy Brown or David 511 00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:15.400 Polidas or Doug Hijack. I don't know. Maybe doug story about the footprints 512 00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:16.960 in Quebec is a bunch of bullshit. I don't know. But I like 513 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.200 to just say, but you know what, I'm gonna believe you anyway, 514 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:22.920 because you know, life's too short. Not too it's more fun to go, 515 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:27.079 yeah, this is cool. So same thing with Todd. All right, 516 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.839 So now we have his footage and maybe this is what you're referencing. 517 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:30.880 I'm not sure what you're referencing about the footage, but I had it. 518 00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.359 I looked at it. There's something I have some issues with it. And 519 00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:37.480 I've told him that I don't understand Todd why we don't have all of the 520 00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.480 lead up footage. Where's all of the lead up footage of you scrambling and 521 00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.799 this happening? And you know, you would say things to me as explain 522 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:47.200 things to me as to why he doesn't. And I'm not going to share 523 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.559 that. That's for him to share, but I'm going to say that I'm 524 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.200 not so sure. I agreed with him, and I told him I I 525 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:57.119 don't know, you know, but anyway, that was a concern of mine. 526 00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.359 Where's all the lead up footage? Just all we ever see is and 527 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.240 I'm now working with you as a producer. I want everything leading to that, 528 00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.839 and he didn't have it. I was very questionable but what the sasquats 529 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.240 look like? I get it, big deal. Joe Rogan starts giggling in 530 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.440 uncontrollably when he sees it. Good on him, you know. But look, 531 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:17.960 man, I come from a very lower than blue collar background. I've 532 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.599 sat in enough fockey arenas, in dressing rooms listening to a big ass buffoon 533 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.759 jock who owns the room because he's laughing and if you don't laugh with him, 534 00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.119 and he's going to kick the crap out of you. You know, 535 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.920 I've been around that a lot, and so fine, you know, you 536 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.759 can get on there with different people who are just going to look at that 537 00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.440 imagery that Todd Standing has and laughed their ass off, which gets everybody else 538 00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:42.039 laughing, which makes it like a high school thing, right. But I'm 539 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:45.559 like, well, you don't know, it's not. And I know guys 540 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:49.200 like Thinker Thunker have gone into the film stuff, and every time I look 541 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.160 at something online that claims to be able to debunk todd Standings footage, I 542 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.160 can see the debunking. In their debunking. I can see where they're saying 543 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.640 something nuts, that's not right. What you just said is wrong, and 544 00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.799 now you're basing everything that you're criticizing this footage on on what you just said, 545 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.599 and even though what you're saying might make sense, what you're basing it 546 00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.239 on doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to get in detail. But 547 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.519 I've seen that in looking at stuff online. So here we are. Here's 548 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.159 the crux of this though, and I think maybe this is what you're getting 549 00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:19.280 at here we are looking at these I believe it's these two face images when 550 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.960 everybody goes, oh, looks like an e walk and you know, and 551 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.559 then people try to say, oh, his wife worked as a special effects 552 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:29.440 artist. She was a hairdresser for crying out loud, And then there's the 553 00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.039 time laps thing where you see Todd's face and then hey, that's all that's 554 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:36.519 all fun, you know, photoshop type work. Hey, have at it. 555 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.400 You could probably do that in a lot. You could probably do that 556 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.519 with just about any photo. Probably do that with me and Patty. So 557 00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.440 I don't buy into any of that. But what I can say is this, 558 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:50.599 from my experience of knowing Todd standing and seeing that footage and having it 559 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.519 in my hands, I can't, as a filmmaker say that it's fake. 560 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:57.719 I can't as a person who knows Todd say that he's lying, and I 561 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.519 would if I could, but can't. So what are we left with these 562 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.599 two images? What is the problem everybody has with it? Here's my throwback 563 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.320 to the crowd of you know, everybody in the community, as you say, 564 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:15.360 the quote unquote community, it's this. First of all, they don't 565 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:19.639 really like him. Second of all, he shows us this footage that. 566 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:23.159 Third of all, if it's real, it's way better than Patty. And 567 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:28.360 we love our Patty. We're just have such an infatuation with Patty. Now 568 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.360 we all want a better image. But here along comes Todd, standing with 569 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:36.400 a personality that is difficult to manage and handle when you're listening to him speak 570 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:38.639 and he shows you this footage and you're instinct his go, that's bullshit, 571 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:44.800 that's made up, that's fake. But everybody, including and I respect Thinker 572 00:35:44.840 --> 00:35:46.599 Thunker for the work he does, but including Thinker Thunker in this situation, 573 00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:51.159 you don't know, and I don't agree with the little synopsis of how it's 574 00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:52.960 all fake because we don't know that it's fake. And if it's not fake, 575 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:59.760 it's way better than Patty. It's a freaking frontal facial long term video 576 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.440 in focus. So this is what we're afraid of. I don't know. 577 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.760 I guess maybe if it had been David Politis who presented those photographs, we 578 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.719 either would have vilified David or we would have accepted it because he's much more 579 00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.039 likable, shall I say, or Jeff Meldrow. Let's pick on Jeff. 580 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:19.039 Jeff Is like you want him to be your dad. He's a wonderful human 581 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.519 being. If it was Jeff's footage, we would have accepted it. But 582 00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:25.559 because Todd has this intensity to him, I think that's where we're at. 583 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.719 So I still sit here today. Todd reached out to me just recently to 584 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:31.960 go on an expedition with him. I can't go because I'm busy, but 585 00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.440 I would. I would also say, you know, I would be the 586 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.679 same skeptic that I am and I've always been, and so should everybody that 587 00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:44.079 goes with him. You know, he's very charismatic and to some people, 588 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.280 but also very problematic to others, maybe maybe most So there you go. 589 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:51.320 Did I touch on the points that you were thinking of that I reached before? 590 00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:53.000 Did I miss something? No, you absolutely didn't, And I really 591 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.280 appreciate it. Like I said, I've called him out on the air. 592 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.920 I've invited him on the show. I never heard back from him, So 593 00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.079 I just reached out to him on Facebook and some other places, and I 594 00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.719 would love to have him on the show to talk about those things. Like 595 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.440 you said, there's some things that you can't speak to that I think are 596 00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.519 important for him. Well, maybe he doesn't feel the need. I guess 597 00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.519 at the end of the day, maybe I don't give a ship. Well, 598 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.960 and I'm going to say, you know, if this is a man 599 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:19.440 who's had dozens and dozens of encounters, would you feel the need. And 600 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.679 that's the other thing. We all get injured. How many people have said 601 00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:24.239 in this situation, I don't care what you think. I know what I 602 00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:28.480 saw. And Todd's been up with many a Randy Greeson up in Canada, 603 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.079 amazing individual. Sonya oh, Sonya, forgot your last name. I got 604 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.280 to look it up real quick. Another amazing researcher. But Randy up in 605 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.079 Canada and Golden Ears Park. I mean, Randy opened me up to some 606 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:39.960 crazy experiences up there. Todd's been up with them, and Todd's been out 607 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:44.320 with Jeff Melderman. We all say the same thing, you know, very 608 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:49.199 intense. I'm being generous here, and that makes him difficult to be around 609 00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:52.360 too many. Every snap is sasquatch. But on the other hand, an 610 00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:57.760 intensity of focus and drive that you know, puts him in a situation where 611 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.679 you know, I mean he he put me on the top of mountain and 612 00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.360 I went willingly. It was pretty over the top of an experience for me, 613 00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.440 so, you know, as I've explained. So so I don't know 614 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.800 if we're not laying anything to rest here, We're not putting anything to bed 615 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.800 in anyone's minds, But I do want to say to people, check your 616 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:19.800 emotions on things, because if you are upset that someone out there has a 617 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.400 better video footage than Roger Roger Patterson, Bob Gemmen, well that shouldn't be 618 00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:29.519 your motivation for judging it. You know, judge it Apart from that's that's 619 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:31.199 my own take on it. I just think I don't know what we want 620 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.679 to happen. But we're so addicted to Patty now that if my good buddy 621 00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.199 Bigfoot Stacy Brown Junior put up a video tomorrow of a skunk cape and it 622 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:43.039 was clear and concise and everything, I bet you people would say, well, 623 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.559 he's been in this for a long time and he hoaxed it. If 624 00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.440 it was better than Patty, you know, if it's worse than Patty, 625 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.280 we're okay with it. You see where I'm going with that? Oh? 626 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.519 Absolutely. And I've had to call myself out on my own show because I've 627 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.400 talked about Todd staining in the past, and then I'm like, well, 628 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.920 I'm those people, right, because I talk about all the time the people 629 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.480 that, well, we want the best evidence, and then somebody gives it 630 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:07.119 to you and it's too good, so it's got to be a hoax. 631 00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:12.159 So I'm interrupting. But it's like hair samples that are shown with a certain 632 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.559 DNA that's not explained. You give that to someone who's not into this subject 633 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:16.440 at all, and they're like, oh, well, then it's just crap. 634 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.679 It wasn't That's just bullshit? God a DNA sample? Now, Like, 635 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.119 well, come on, where else where are we going to go with 636 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.239 this? You know? Like I said, when it comes to Todd, 637 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.119 I've had to call myself out because I become that person. You know, 638 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.000 it's too good to be true, so it probably is. And I do 639 00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:34.599 want to believe that it's true because like you said, if it is in 640 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:39.199 fact real footage, it is the best footage we have ever seen and may 641 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.039 ever see. And I want to talk a little bit about that. I'm 642 00:39:43.039 --> 00:39:46.440 going to go circle back around to the mind speak thing. I want you 643 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.480 to just touch on that experience if you wouldn't mind. And I do want 644 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.239 to talk about some of the weirder things that happen and some of your theories 645 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:58.639 on why we don't have the evidence. Why can't we catch these things on 646 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.599 trail cams? Are they just super smart or is there something else going on? 647 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:06.760 Do you have an opinion about that? Stay tuned for more Sasquatch jealousy. 648 00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:13.119 We'll be right back after these messages. I don't know how I want 649 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.119 to say it. How about methodology for determining when someone is presenting evidence to 650 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.239 you that I would love to give to you, I'd love to share with 651 00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.519 your audience, because I'm clearly speaking, we're preaching to the converted here. 652 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:28.440 There's nobody on here who doesn't have an interest in the subject matter unfortunately, 653 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:30.719 so I kind of watch I'll watch my words that way, because I don't 654 00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.280 need to waste their time with let's call it beginner stuff that we all sort 655 00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:37.599 of I've gotten passed, but just the same I've got a great methodology for 656 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:42.000 dealing with people who don't believe at all sort of thing. So with all 657 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.000 that said, repeat your question, where did you want me to go again 658 00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.840 with it? It was something to do, Oh, the mind speak and 659 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:51.599 just the mind speak, and why we don't have more evidence in trail cams 660 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.079 and in that kind of thing. Why we don't have more evidence? Were 661 00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:58.199 the first answer I could say, is what you want more? Right? 662 00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:00.360 Just like we were just saying, part I mean wants just to say cynically 663 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:05.519 that you want you want more evidence? You want more than thousands of people 664 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:10.840 with experiences from rocks to sightings. What more DNA samples proven this way that, 665 00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.639 what more castings? What more do we want? Right? So why 666 00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.880 don't we have more? The real question, maybe that's underlying, was like 667 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.800 why don't we have the trailcam footage? If you're thinking of it being a 668 00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:24.800 great ape of some sort, then you're going to think, oh, it 669 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.440 senses an energy, it senses the light to this, and that I throw 670 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.679 that in the mix of all of the attributes of it's so much more than 671 00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:37.119 just an ache or at least it has. Let's let's let's not be wooy 672 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.639 about it. Let's not get into ancient aliens. Let's just say it has 673 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:47.440 abilities that baffle us that we're not really that maybe we don't have. I 674 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:51.360 mean, an octopus can change color like that, you know, and so 675 00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:53.480 on and so forth. Right, So put all of these abilities into one 676 00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:57.039 being sort of things, it becomes you know, yeah, now we're talking 677 00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:59.840 like X men or something. But so why can't it be seen on it 678 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.239 on a camera? I mean, if you put a beach ball in my 679 00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:08.440 kitchen and that beach ball represented something dangerous, and I come walk in the 680 00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:13.199 living room, I'll see that beach ball way before I get in the kitchen. 681 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:15.599 The wilderness, and I'll tell you what this is something I learned from 682 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.119 Todd Standing. The wilderness is their home. You don't think it's exactly like 683 00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:22.880 their living room. To them, they know every leaf, every branch, 684 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.599 every tree, every rock, human trails to them, they might use them 685 00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:30.360 once in a while, but mostly they're traveling their own pathways. They don't 686 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.280 need us. So you put a trail cam. They probably can smell you, 687 00:42:34.760 --> 00:42:37.960 sense you, feel the energy, you know and know how to bypass 688 00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:42.400 it, or then we get into other realities things that I experience, for 689 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.440 example, or maybe they know how to play with the electronic the magnetic field. 690 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.920 Who knows. But again, you know, facetiously, part of me 691 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.159 wants to go what we need more evidence? I mean for a lot of 692 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.960 us listening, we don't need more evidence. We just, more than anything, 693 00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.039 we want to have our own experiences. At this point, I think 694 00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:00.639 we'd all be thrilled beyond belief to watch a clear footage cap should buy less 695 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.960 strout as he's outdoing survivor Man Bigfoot. I'd probably be called to hoax, 696 00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.360 but also given all the credit for it. But by the same token, 697 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:09.840 I think most of us would rather just be out there and have our own 698 00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:14.920 experience, a full on experience, a safe one, you know, more 699 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.199 than anything else. So why don't we have more of these things? We 700 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.039 have tons of them all the time, and people are sending me footprints in 701 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:23.840 the sand and different things all the time. And there's another one. There's 702 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:28.239 another one, you know in another vocalization to ask Ron Moorehead, how many 703 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.559 vocalizations? Oh, there's another individual, Ron Moorehead again, another great in 704 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:36.239 this field, you know, lots of evidence is already out there, you 705 00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:38.239 know, and we're paying more attention all the time, which is good. 706 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.519 But the camera thing, that doesn't bother me at all. I mean, 707 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.639 sure a deer can't do it and a bear can't do it, but that 708 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:47.880 doesn't mean that a sasquatch doesn't have the ability to mess with your camera and 709 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.199 even just make it so electronically it's not working. Kind of thing the mind 710 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:55.960 speak, So this began for me. I've had four mind speaking experiences, 711 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:01.320 and this began for me with Scott Carpenter in Tennessee. Scott and I are 712 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:07.559 out and we are He's showing you the different things. Wonderful man, wonderful, 713 00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.639 different perspectives. He was the first one that showed me a lot about 714 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.000 leaving gifts, but not in the way like like with Todd and different individuals. 715 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:16.440 It was leaving gifts that you think that they will take apples or what 716 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:20.760 have you, that sort of thing, But with Scott it was more about 717 00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.880 utilizing the gifts as a way of communicating. Scott talked about leaving down rocks 718 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.320 and sticks and things and then having them move them around or turn them sideways 719 00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.079 or doing different things with them. So Scott and I are out we're doing 720 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.320 filming Survivor Man Bigfoot, So we were actually filming the show, which, 721 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.960 by the way, one of the criticisms of Roger Patterson is he really needed 722 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.760 this footage because that's what he was out there to get, and it was 723 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.360 close to the last day, and that's why he faked it, right, 724 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.519 that's one of the comments. Well, I was out to film Survivor Man 725 00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:52.559 Bigfoot, and I did start having things happen while I was filming. So 726 00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.840 I'm not as critical about Roger Patterson anymore because you could say the same thing 727 00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.719 to me, and well, of course you got this stuff less you were 728 00:44:57.760 --> 00:45:00.679 filming a show about Bigfoot. Naturally you're going to something happened. Would nudge 729 00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:04.719 nudge, wink wink, right, But you guys know me, I'm just 730 00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.800 like now, I'm just gonna say what happened or didn't happen. Notwithstanding the 731 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:12.239 fact that I withheld certain things like the sitting on me in the sleeping bag. 732 00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:14.280 I didn't say that in that show. You know why I didn't. 733 00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:16.480 Viewers of that show weren't ready for that, And I don't mean that in 734 00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:21.159 a condescending way. They just weren't ready. It was still a big ache 735 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:22.800 to everybody still is for the most part, to be honest with you. 736 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.079 Scott and I go out in the woods and he's showing in the different things 737 00:45:27.079 --> 00:45:30.000 where I see that he's had some experiences and vocalizations, and he's played me 738 00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:31.760 the tape. We played it on the show and song, and I said, 739 00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.800 well, here's what I want to do. I want to stay out 740 00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.559 here by myself, you know. So there's me and my matchiess MO Mode 741 00:45:37.639 --> 00:45:42.320 going yeah, I got It's Tennessee. Nothing here can hurt me. So 742 00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:44.960 I go out there. It was a dark and stormy night. That was 743 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.039 crazy. It was kind of dark and stormy, but not raining. And 744 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:51.960 that's important, by the way, because I have noticed very very very few 745 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:54.920 anecdotes ever take place in the rain. In fact, the opposite, nothing 746 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.159 happened in the rain when people are looking anyway. I'm out there. I 747 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.239 let it get really dark. Scott is in the park a lot, and 748 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:06.679 so I go to leaving, and now I'm walking this couple of miles on 749 00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:09.599 a trail in the woods in Tennessee. It's windy, it's stormy a bit, 750 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.920 it's kind of spooky. It's it's got full on Halloween feel to it, 751 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.760 right, And this was the first occurrence, and I felt all the 752 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:21.159 hair go up on the back of my neck, and I felt like I 753 00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:24.639 was in maybe not in danger, but something was there. I never get 754 00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:28.800 that, you know, I just never that just doesn't happen. And then 755 00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.880 as sure as I'm sitting here, I just feel right in the center of 756 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:35.000 my head, like I couldn't say it was on my left ear or my 757 00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.639 right ear. It's like right in the right in the center of my head. 758 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:43.239 I just hear these words, which were if I remember, if you 759 00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:47.079 want to see us stay the night, I'll tell you. It really freaked 760 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.679 me out, Like I just stood there going whoa, you know, I 761 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:53.559 mean, it felt like, for the life of me, it wasn't mine. 762 00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:57.719 It didn't feel like my mind. I wasn't even looking for this. 763 00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.679 I didn't even heard the term mine speak at that point. I was just 764 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.519 like making my show, you know, try and experience stuff. And well 765 00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.239 this happened, and I actually I just felt like, okay, I felt 766 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.559 it was real and regardless of feelings not being facts, so I felt it 767 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.760 was real. And so I said, in my mind, I'm not ready. 768 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.840 No, And I truly was not ready. I was afraid to turn 769 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:23.480 around, like I felt like there was something right over there on that heel, 770 00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.880 and it felt again feelings and facts right, but it felt like it 771 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.199 was a large male and then a young a juvenile. That's what it felt 772 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:36.400 like. That's what was in my brain. And this large mail said to 773 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.480 me this thing, and I said, no, I'm not ready, and 774 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:42.960 I could. It's like I sensed them right there over there on that hill, 775 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.719 about one hundred and fifty feet away, and the answer was like, 776 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:49.079 it's fine. And then they just turned and walked away. And as they 777 00:47:49.119 --> 00:47:52.159 turned and walked away, in my mind, hair on the back of my 778 00:47:52.280 --> 00:47:53.239 neck went down, because there's no hair on the top of my head. 779 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:57.639 Hair in my back of my neck went down, and I completely relaxed, 780 00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:01.639 and it was a big WTF moment. I'm like, oh boy. I 781 00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:06.360 didn't even tell Scott Carbon about it when I came out. I just kept 782 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:09.599 it. It's like the first time when I had the occurrence occurrencial ascal I 783 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:14.039 was filming big Foot once again, this thing happened just like on top of 784 00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:16.960 the mountain. I'm not telling anybody this not yet Nope, nope, nope, 785 00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:20.519 nope, nope, this one's this one's staying just for me. What 786 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.719 we have to ask is the question is, so, what are you saying 787 00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:25.559 now, Oh, now you want to say they're telepathic. Well, my 788 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.400 answer would be, well, first of all, lots of scientists and science 789 00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.760 will point to the ability of telepathy and people to pick up on thought energy 790 00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:37.239 and it's just thought energy, Like, so, what if that was just 791 00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:42.360 like norm for them. But if they were and we could get into Christine, 792 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:45.519 well, because I believe he's tapped into something thought of autism. What 793 00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:50.239 if they were so severely savant and one of their savant abilities was telepathy. 794 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.480 Did to use it like speaking? Yeah, but what are you saying, 795 00:48:52.519 --> 00:48:57.039 He's spoken English to you? Lesque? No, my mind gave it to 796 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:00.320 me in the way my brain comprehend would ever. It was that they were 797 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.079 getting across to me and yes, that's going to be the English language. 798 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.679 And if I was Chinese, it would be Mandarin, you know, if 799 00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:09.199 I was from South America to be Spanish. But it happened to be English 800 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.679 in my brain because that's the way my brain has been trained to decipher thoughts 801 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:17.559 and so on. So this thought comes to me. It's deciphered as communication. 802 00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.960 That sounds like quote unquote mind speak, quote unquote telepathy. Sure they 803 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.639 could have that ability. We're okay with humans having certain abilities. And that's 804 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.960 where we get into this other thing about and why I kind of always kind 805 00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:32.360 of sing Crystal els praises on this is I like to say, what if 806 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:39.800 they were a severely autistically savaunt species and their abilities were existence in nature, 807 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:45.599 telepathy, cloaking. What if they have the ability to manipulate their own life 808 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.039 force energy? So if we give them that, this is not even dream 809 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:53.039 world stuff anymore, and it's not even science fiction stuff anymore, because you 810 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:59.519 know this stuff is also being research. So telepathy to me, I'm like, 811 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:04.480 gosh, so that happened. I told no one and then I've had 812 00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:07.280 three other experiences since then. One was in Texas and it felt a little 813 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:13.360 menacing that was also well filming. One was on my way to the Portland 814 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:15.639 experience with Devin when I filmed that episode, And one was on my own 815 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:19.920 here. The funniest one ever was on my own here going to hike brisby 816 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.440 pointing in southern Oregon. And I so now I put it out there, 817 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:27.480 and if anybody wants to experiment with lepathy in a situation like this, here's 818 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.599 what I would advise to do. Put it out there. Just try to 819 00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.920 think for a second, if there's anyone in this area, any of these 820 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.360 whatever they are as in this area, and you're about you're at the trailhead 821 00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:38.840 right, and you can there and you say, I'm coming out and I'd 822 00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:43.440 love to have an encounter and experience meeting you. And I'm just coming in 823 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:45.199 whatever you want me to know as peace sort of thing. And it's kind 824 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.840 of put that out there, right and listen, and just you know, 825 00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:52.599 I do it all the time. Nothing had ever happened. One time, 826 00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.360 bam, right in the middle of my head, I just got we're sleeping. 827 00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.920 How is that? We're slaping? It's like we're sleeping going home? 828 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:04.320 Right. I will say this close off of this binds is that after that 829 00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:07.480 experience in Tennessee with Scott Carpenter and hearing those voices, hearing that voice, 830 00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:12.519 I went into a counselor to find out if I was schizophrenic. That's how 831 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.760 powerful it was. I said, listen, this thing happened. I'm going 832 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.719 to tell you about it. And I'm just worried, Like am I Like, 833 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:22.880 I've never experienced anything like that in my entire life. Hasn't happened since 834 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.000 that day. Can't explain it, And even the therapist or the councilor would 835 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.760 have said, it sounds to me like what you experienced was a gift and 836 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:35.599 you are not schizophrenic. First of all, you wouldn't be asking if you 837 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.800 were. This counselor actually said that. I went okay then, and then, 838 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.239 as I said, I've had three other encounters since then. So so 839 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.760 that's my take. Why do we even call it mine speak? That's just 840 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:46.400 too cute. Let's just call it telepathy. That's what it is. We're 841 00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:51.760 talking about their ability with telepathy mine speak because they're bigfoot, because they're sasquash 842 00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.159 would have to give it a cute name. It's telepathy. We've already accepted 843 00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.920 the concept of telepathy in humans. Why can't we accept it within other species? 844 00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:01.519 Let alone what a dolphin can do? You know, I don't ever 845 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:07.000 close that door because experience is very much like that. You can't explain that 846 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.159 any other way. So I want to be respectful of your time. I 847 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:13.360 know we need to close out, but I want to talk about what's going 848 00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.880 on now? What projects do you have going on? What's the future Survivor 849 00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:20.199 Man, Bigfoot, can you share anything that's coming up? A kah yeah, 850 00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:22.039 and then I'll leave you with my little method of when someone tell it, 851 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.880 gives you story sort of thing. So I'm asked a lot. What 852 00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:30.320 I can say. I'm not finished, it's not over. I have more 853 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.559 work to do in the field. It's a matter of timing. The pandemic 854 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.840 has has obviously disrupted a lot of people's normal flows of living in existence, 855 00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:42.159 and certainly mine as well. By the way, for everybody listening, I've 856 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.159 put everything I've ever done with Bigfoot online now on my YouTube channel. It's 857 00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:49.320 all there, including all my Survivor Man stuff. So I'm really having a 858 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.800 lot of fun with YouTube and putting all of that stuff out there and more 859 00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:57.400 music. So this year as well, I'm releasing a ton of content every 860 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:00.599 Friday every Saturday on my YouTube channel. Survivor Man Less Stroud is new content, 861 00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:06.159 and there will be Bigfoot stuff coming. Absolutely. I have friends such 862 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.199 as Devin Masson or Bigfoot, Stacy Brown Junior. We're always talking about doing 863 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.199 something together. I know, sooner or later one of these days, Stacey 864 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.800 and I will do something. I have a full feature share documentary film in 865 00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.639 my brain that I would like to do on Sasquatch. Those things are, 866 00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:22.440 shall we say, in the works. That's the best thing I can say 867 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.519 is if you go to my YouTube, that's the best place to go for 868 00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.239 all my work. And I have my new podcast, Surviving Life with Less 869 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.280 Stroud, which I do broach the subject there. In fact, in season 870 00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:36.159 one there's a three parter. I also interviewed John Zada, who is the 871 00:53:36.239 --> 00:53:38.960 author of In the Valleys of the Noble Beyond about his search for Sasquatch amongst 872 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.639 indigenous cultures. Yeah, so my stuff is all all on the podcast and 873 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.320 mostly let's go to my YouTube. Everything is really there. So now to 874 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.920 finish out my little thing that I want to say is every once in a 875 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.559 while, I'll have someone say, oh, you know my aunt, you 876 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.639 know she claims to have seen big put twice now on her property over the 877 00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:59.519 last fifteen years, and you know, she worked in conservat as a conservation 878 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:02.039 officer, and and they'll finish this little thing and they'll say, ah, 879 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:06.519 but you know, I don't know. And that's what I love to pounce. 880 00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:07.320 I'm like, what do you mean you don't know? I don't know 881 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:09.599 if they're if they're real or not. I mean, I mean, oh, 882 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:14.079 oh, so your aunt's a liar. Then oh what are you saying? 883 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:15.719 No? Well, I mean hang on a second. And here's where 884 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:19.840 I go with this. And I did this at David Polidis's symposing thing that 885 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:21.519 he did. Actually, I said, oh, well, everybody to stand 886 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:23.159 up and stand up. That's had a big foot encounter. And there's like 887 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:27.840 thirty people stand up. Now, everybody sit down who their encounter was not 888 00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.519 visual. A bunch of people sit down and left with about seven people sitting 889 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:31.760 up there. Before I get to what I did next, I'll say this, 890 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:36.960 we only have a couple of options. If somebody says to you they 891 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.199 saw a big foot or they had a big foot encounter, you only have, 892 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:43.760 well, especially mostly the visual thing. Right one they were high drawn, 893 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:46.920 two mistaken identity. Well, so hopefully we can rule up to being 894 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:50.920 high and drawn mistaken identity. A lot of these times, these are police 895 00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:54.599 officers, conservation officers, nature instructors, people who are travel hunters, anglers, 896 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:57.559 people who travel the woods all the time. They know what a bear 897 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.960 looks like right, So you want to rule out identity, okay, and 898 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:06.760 now you're left with two Either they're lying or they're giving you an act, 899 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.519 the actual and factual representation of what they saw. So if you're going to 900 00:55:09.639 --> 00:55:15.039 rule out mistaken identity and they weren't high or drawn, then you got to 901 00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.079 look at them and go, you're lying. You're a liar. Because if 902 00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.079 you can't look at them and say you're lying, then you're left with what 903 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:27.280 they're telling you. They were fifteen feet away from something that was ten feet 904 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.400 tall. It was big and hairy, it stunk, scared the crap out 905 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.039 of me, It looked at me, and then it turned and ran away. 906 00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.000 So what is that again? We'd ruled out mistaken identity, We've ruled 907 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:43.719 out hundred So then if they weren't lying, they saw what they saw, 908 00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.639 and if they saw what they saw, well, then about a thousand or 909 00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:51.360 a few thousand times over, they exist. Right. That's the thing. 910 00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.920 It's so easy for people. If I were my niece said, oh do 911 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.199 you still do that big but show? Giggle, giggle, giggle, giggle. 912 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.400 Right, that's a conversation that's over for me. I mean, someone 913 00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:01.800 comes up to your party. Hey, dude, so I hear you believe 914 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:06.880 in bigfoot conversations over right? No, no, really, I want to 915 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.920 know. No, no, you don't less. I can't thank you enough 916 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.440 for your time. It's been an honor and a pleasure to have you on 917 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.960 this show. Man. It was a load of fun. Maybe we'll have 918 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:16.159 to do it again. When you put out some more bigfoot stuff, you 919 00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:19.679 can come back on the show and we can talk about it. I appreciate 920 00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.360 that I've enjoyed it. I don't do these very often. I don't get 921 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.320 a chance to talk about it very often, but as you can tell, 922 00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.320 I'd like to be candid about it because I think there's a lot of Oh, 923 00:56:27.440 --> 00:56:30.559 there's a lot of big egos and buffoonery and this I'll close it by 924 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:34.519 saying, none of us, even if you've seen one, you still truly 925 00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.760 don't understand what it is or what it's capable of. And I, still 926 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:40.679 sitting here, can't say they exist. I really truly can't. But I've 927 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:45.920 got, you know, maybe seventeen eighteen experiences under my belt now that I 928 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.000 can't explain as being a deer or a moved sort wolf so in or a 929 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:52.119 bear or anything. So it's a fascinating subject. I'm glad you're doing this 930 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:55.480 and I appreciate every time. Absolutely man Less Stroud The Survivor, Man Survivor, 931 00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.239 Man Bigfoot. You guys go check it out on YouTube. Thanks so 932 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.480 much, Less, I really appreciate it. My play. They say, 933 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:12.559 you don't want to go home, but you can't stay here, and I 934 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:40.679 don't want to be alone the world out time, this job, that time, 935 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:49.280 everything coming right back right baby, my joy for me to stay right 936 00:57:49.480 --> 00:59:05.320 now. I'm coming right away. Ssssst R calls us used us as