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Hey everybody, this is Less Striving. Yes, yes, I know
aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatchis you, guys,
and welcome back to Sasquatch and Potas. Thanks so much for clicking play.
I hope you guys are having a great week and have an amazing show lined
up for you. But before we get there, I want to start by
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Became I remember there and he'll support this show. I decided to do
something that I haven't done in quite a while. I have remastered some of
the older episodes in the past and did some more editing and improved the quality
of the audio. And I was actually doing that today for a show that
we're going to air over on w d j Y ninety nine point one FM
in Atlanta. We are on the radio now, but I actually went way
back to like October of twenty twenty one. It was episode sixty eight.
It's the Less Stroud Survivor Man interview, and he was on a computer and
he wasn't using a microphone, and there's a lot of echo in the background,
and I wanted to clean that stuff up and take out some of the
talking I was doing. I was really excited to talk to Less Stroud.
I've been a Survivor Man fan forever, and I was doing a whole lot
more talking than I should have been. So some of the stuff that you've
heard from me before, I took that out and I shortened the episode to
about fifty minutes or so. I am, frankly really proud of what I
was able to do with the audio in this interview. It's much better.
The echo's gone. It sounds like Less is right here in the room in
the studio with me. So I think you're really really going to enjoy it.
Or without further ado, I'm going to stop bumping my gums and let
the music play. You gotta sit back, relax and enjoy the show.
Our girls will want to welk on my guest tonight. It's none other than
the Survivorman himself, Less Stroud welcome to the show. Lest Oh, thank
you very much. I just want to get right into it. I've looked
forward to this interview. We've been working to get you and our schedules aligned,
and it's finally happened. So this is an encounter show, so obviously
I want to talk about some of your encounters. But before that, I
became a fan of Survivor. Man. I'm sure people have probably heard the
story, but would you mind taking us back to the beginnings of Survivorman and
sort of lay the foundation of your survival training and what that show started,
and then we'll just move on from there. Oh, I'll try to keep
it brief. Then that's a long story in the end though, after a
career essentially a career if you want to call it that, as an outdoor
guide. You know, one of my disciplines that I love so much dearly
was survival training everything involved with that, walitable plants and shelters and fires,
tanning hides and borrow and arrow hunting and all the rest. So I did
that for a lot of years and I always wanted to well put together just
a you know, it would have been a home VHS video series back when
I originally had the idea and I just wanted to do that and teach the
lessons and do it well. But in the end, to make a long
story short, time passed on and eventually I pitched the idea to a television
network and got it on air first in Canada, and the idea was that,
Really, the idea always stemmed from my desire to teach, and so
Survivor Man, from day one to the very till now, has always been
about teaching and teaching skills and those skills being a facilitator for getting you out
in the woods. Because all I really want to do is get people out
in my woods, right, and these skills facilitate that. So yeah,
I created it, which you know that was going back ninety nine was inside
of my conversations two thousand and one as when I got the first pilot on
air and nothing there was nothing else like it on television. Fast forward that
just a few years and it's now a big hit, and that's when the
copycats came along, and you know, which is why, you know,
in the end, I get credited for creating an entire TV genre, because
without Survivor Man, you don't have man versus Wild or Naked and Afraid or
a Loan or any of these shows. Survivor Man was in. It was
the first one, and I was told by networking, these network executives that
no one was ever going to want to watch survival on television, and I
just said, I just think you're wrong, and I proved them wrong.
And then boy did it ever? Did they ever get proved wrong? Because
it spawned I wish I had somehow the ability to patent the whole scenario and
I'd be a rich man today. But it spawned an entire industry of survival
television that still is going strong. There's so much credibility to what you did
on Survivor Man. I was a cop for sixteen years, and you know,
you don't always write tickets and answer calls. So I used to literally
sit in my patrol car and that was one of the ways I passed my
time, was watching Survivor Man on my phone, you know, and it
was clear that what you did was real, and that lends so much credibility.
And when someone with that much credibility takes a look at something like Bigfoot
and does the Survivor Man Bigfoot show, it makes people stop in pause.
It's almost like the Jeff Meldrum. And when somebody at that caliber in their
field takes a look at something like this in a real way, I think
it just lends that much more credibility to what you're doing in the subject in
general. Look, I'm no saint in this world. But the thing is,
I'm addicted to nonfiction and documentary filmmaking. I mean, I quit Shark
Week because of the crap they wanted to say, or they wanted me to
say while making Shark Week shows. I pulled away from you know, it
was a dream come true at the time, but I pulled away from National
Geographic because doing the series Grizzly Gaunlet Fro Nat Geo Wilde, they wanted me
to say a whole bunch of crap that wasn't true about the bears and cariboon
such and so it was the same thing with Survivor Man and now. I
mean, that's how the rest of the series came about. Was I was
asked to be a fraud, essentially, as asked to cheat the show,
and I said no, sure, I'm sure all the others and bear girls
of the bear girls of this world are laughing on their way to the bank.
Good for them. But I'm not a dancing monkey, and I can
just speak anywhere I want to with complete truth because what you saw and what
I did is what you've got. There was no drama imposed upon you as
the viewer. All the other shows staged it, you know, to this
day, I mean Alone doesn't stage it, but Alone's storyline is still manipulated
by producers to be something it wasn't. So yeah, that authenticity was always
important to me. And again I'm not saying here, you know, but
in the world of art and then creating art and creating my documentary filmwork,
authenticity was super important to me. Now being on the first time with Joe
Rogan and he's like, I can see it in your eyes. You can't
get eyes like that if you're sleeping in the hotel. You can't look like
that if you've been eating it fine for a few days. You know.
So it really did. I didn't have to portray anything. It really showed
itself. And so yeah, you're right. Even the concept of me doing
the Bigfoot series or the whole Bigfoot part of my world opening up, you
know, that came about because I answered one simple question. Honestly, you
know, nobody'd ask me anything about bigfoot. And one day I'm on the
Opi and Anthony Show and they asked, and they ask it, you know,
with a smirk on their faces, like hey, dude, yeah,
seeing big foot out there, you know they and of course me being me,
well actually yeah. So that opens up the story, and I end
up telling my story on the Opi and Anthony Show, and then I just
see all of this postings and social media was happening then. But I still
sat on it. And I'll tell you why I sat on it to further
this point and to further what you were just asking me about. I sat
on it because if I jumped on it right then and there, there would
have been nothing authentic for me. I would have been doing it like I'm
just going to try and manipulate this, capitalize on this. And I said,
when something happened to me on a Survivor Man episode in Alaska, I
sat on that and didn't tell anyone because I didn't want everybody getting caught up
in the bigfoot question when I was trying to teach them how to make a
shelter. I didn't want Bigfoot getting in the way of survival. Why because
I loved my survival teaching and so yeah, so then I waited for the
right time kind of thing. Would you mind sharing with us your first encounters
and what really propelled you towards the search for what this bigfoot creature, this
Sasquats creature is. I'll bet you anybody who spent a lot of time going
down this road, what might be able to say sort of the similar thing.
Once you believe or feel let's let's throw the word believe out of the
equation, or once you feel that you've had at least a very bizarre encounter
that you can't explain. I'm not talking about visual. Let's keep visual over
on the shelf for now. Seeing one straight on close up, not being
high, not making mistake, that's a thing. That's a big thing.
When you start to go down this road. Then when you look back at
your life, if you did a lot of life in the wilderness, you
start to go you know, I wonder if that thing that time when we
were fishing on that lake, I wonder about that now, and that happens
that happened to me. So when you asked the question my first bigfoot encounter.
It's actually a matter of my memory and saying, wow, I can
tell you the first time I thought like or I really was down the road.
But there were times before that that I look back at now. So,
for example, the first time was in Ontario, Canada, and I
was just practicing survival with a buddy and we were staying on a lake off
of the Moon River in Ontario. He built his shelter a few hundred yards
away, on the other side of a berm. I'm over on this side
of the berm's and I built my shelter, and at some point around midnight,
I'm at the shore of a lake and I just hear this most god
awful, horrifying screaming that sounded like women being tortured in a Satanic ritual.
I mean, if you ever get the hebgbs, this was the time to
get them. Because Wow. Now, granted that could have been Portcubine's fighting.
It could have been a strange bunch of cougars, so it was weird.
But I will tell you that it scared me, and I'm never scared
in the woods. It scared me out of the woods. I went over,
I woke up my buddy, dog who slept through through the whole bloody
thing. I'm like, dot, did you hear that? No, it
an't. I'm like, well, I'm not staying. I'm not staying after
hearing that, and I left. So that number one. Number two,
I spent a year living in the woods with my ex wife. During the
year leading up to that year living in the woods, we went up and
did a research trip and we were camping. One night I heard walking towards
the tent. This is literally that quote unquote middle of nowhere scenario and far
northern Canada, and I heard walking through the woods towards the tent, a
very heavy, you know, bipedal walking. Now, I'm really comfortable and
familiar with moose and bear and everything that's out there, and this was not
that there's not a bear walking in its own tracks or anything like that,
or this wasn't bipedal and heavy. And I for this day will regret not
unzipping the tent and looking out. But the reason why didn't I was scared.
Now, that's the funny thing about this. You know, everybody thinks
they're gonna be all tough when they get out there, but when you're in
these situations. It's incredible, this strange innerfere that grips you and stops you
from doing the things that you should do that everybody's going to criticize you for
not doing later when you try to tell your story and you go, I
don't know why I didn't do it, but I couldn't do it well.
I didn't open up my tent and I just yelled out like I would if
it was a barrowett hey or over here. And I heard thump, thump,
and just like the little pregnant pause and almost like you could hear it
turning around and I heard thump up and just walking away. And I remember,
and this is long before any of this, long before survivor man or
any of this, turning to my ex wife and saying, I think that
might have been a big foot, and she went, I know it was
the weirdest thing, but that's just a couple of people camping in the woods
here and something strange and kind of conjecturing. Because because because I mean this,
long before finding Bigfoot or Doug high checks work with Munster Quest, long
before any of that stuff, I guess it'd be the nineties, early early
nineties, so those are the first two that I would say are that I
look back now and think, okay, they are not what spurred me on
to do Survivor Man Bigfoot. But to answer your question more directly, those
are my first two what I believe to be potentially some kind of encounter experience.
I do not rest in the camp. I believe that there's a lot
of extremes in the Bigfoot world, and I always believe that the truth lies
somewhere in the middle. I know you've had other experiences that were more than
just stomping and vocalizations in the woods. Would you mind sharing your other encounters
that were more of the not flesh and blood camp. Sure, but I
think it's good to premise us with a little bit of backdrop to it.
For one like you, I'm a very I'm a I'm a weird cross between
skepticism and a wide open mind, you know, And that's what I thought
I needed to create Survivor Man big Foot. I'm gonna go in skeptical but
believing everything you tell me. So you tell me that your grandfather used to
feed them pancakes off the back porch. Great, Do you mind if I
go camp in your backyard. So I'm not you know, including you know,
I've been with controversial figures like taught standing and so on. I'm not
going to and jet Meldrum and Jump Binnernagel and Stop Carpenter. Not that they're
all controversial, but all these different individuals, and I'm just wide open.
Do you say this thing, then I say, okay, prove it to
me or show me or take me there. And you're kind of jumping to
the end of my journey in many ways because that thing you said about you're
not in a particular camp, I discovered along the way that there is really
it's like a baseline of what people believed, you know, and over here
it's a big, really smart ape, bipedal ape, and over here it's
aliens and everything in between. So I was caught up in that for a
while, trying to see, you know, where I would go in this
doing Survivor Man Bigfoot created for me an absolutely incredible opportunity to experience so much
interview, so many go so many places you know, be out there that
I quickly learned I don't want to be in any one of those camps.
And I even said I'm not going to be the poster boy for anybody when
I do this series, and a lot of people wanted me to be a
poster boy for their perception on what Bigfoot is. I remember doing a keynote
a while ago for David Politis and I said, I tell you one thing,
and this isn't going to endear me to anybody, But nobody in this
room has a freaking clue what it is. Don't pretend like you do.
We don't know. I understand why Jeff would sit very solidly in Gigantopithecus.
He really needs to with his peers, and he takes a lot of heap
where he is as a professor. And I understand why John Binnernagel did the
same thing. Why he was so focused more on other scientists accepting what he
accepted. So when you would speak to John, for example, if you
brought up orbs or the ability to manifest energy, he was out of the
conversation. Conversations over because that would not fly with other scientists. I didn't
have that weight on my shoulders. I could believe whatever I wanted to believe,
listen to whoever I wanted to listen to. That was good because it
kept me very open, and again, like I say, you're kind of
going right to the end of my journey in a way, even to where
I am today. I think what became appared to me was paying attention to
what I would say, are the attributes of a phenomenon. What are these
attributes? Well, now you have all the attributes to talk about throwing of
rocks, vocalizations, knocking up sticks on trees, smells bad, defecates,
hair samples, screaming. Then you have get stuck to get a little more
like like, okay, what about mine speak? And what about their?
You know, seems like they could change, change their appearance, you know,
almost even disappear. I kind of landed in a place where we're already
dealing with an incredible phenomenon. That's what I like to call it, phenomenon,
right, And so I just one day looked at all of these attributes,
all of these hundreds to thousands of anecdotal reference is all saying the same
thing, and I thought, what if it actually just has all What if
let's mesh them all together and see what we get. Maybe it is gigantopithecus,
But maybe Gigantopithecus has all these attributes, you know, and all these
different abilities. So that opened me right up to kind of where I am
today. But to go down the road that you've asked, it probably started
my god, I do I remember this correctly? I don't want to misquote
my own self here and when I did this, because I'm trying to remember
whether I was with Scott Carpenter in Tennessee or with taught standing in Radium Springs,
and which one came first in that situation. And I ended up and
Todd and I went up to the top of the mountain and you know,
we tadd you know, no offense, Todd, but everything is a sasquatch,
every every stamp, every break, everything, you know, it's kind
of like that. To his credit is because he's so intensely interested. And
I would and he knows I would argue with him at saying I don't think
so I could have been an owl. Oh you know, they imitate owls.
I could have been a raven. He knows, like, oh,
they could imitate ravens. Okay, now now, no, no, sorry.
So I would argue with a lot of different people out there, you
know, in this situation. And I even tried to tempt Jeff Meldram into
the conversation of more paranormal attributes, which is a fun tempting scientists. True
and true. Although, Jeff, if you're listening, one of these days,
and I know you're a good Mormon man, but one of these days,
I think I would just like to give you a couple of beer and
then pull you aside and then see what you really think. As I think
about a lot of these different individuals who I respect so much, but I
think they hold inside some of the stuff they really think is going on.
And Jeff Maldram has hurt and learned so much, but he has the respect
of his peers to consider. Right, David Politis, he's learned no so
much, but again, so much is kept in. I don't blame them
in a way. It's their own right to do so. Me I don't.
I don't really care. And so for me, you know, here
I am going up the mountain with Todd standing, and I'm still looking for
a big ape. It has to be very, very smart, because that's
facing. If it was a big ape and it wasn't all that smart,
we'd have one in ensue, we'd have them stuffed in lodges around the world,
but we don't. So whatever, if it's just an ape, okay,
granted, justin a it better be incredibly smart within its scope of experience
and the way it lives. So I'm up the mountain looking for this now.
But this was the first time. So the first night, Todd stays
not and the apples disappear off the tree, and it's kind of weird.
It's like, oh, but the camera fell for crying a lot. Really
the camera Todd leaves goes down the mountain. Next night, I'm up.
I'm up on the top of a mountain by myself in heavy grizzly territory.
That's just me getting across my badassarre right now, you know, trying to
make contact with a phenomenon that has a reputation of everything from being benevolent to
killing you and abducting it and everything in between. Stay tuned for more Sasquat
jealousy right back after these messages. So I'm up there, but I just
stayed really open, wide open to the whole thing. Now I fall asleep.
I know what everyone's going to say when I tell the next part of
my story. But I'll tell the story first, and then and then then
I'll disqualify it. I'm in a sleeping bag and I'm on my left side,
and I sleep with the sleeping bag up over my head. I was
a childhood or something come back. When I was at the head stating bag
right up over my head. I believe I was away. Something was putting
pressure on my side, and for the life of me, it felt like
a big set of buttocks sitting on my side, like as if your big
brother came over and sat on you and you're a sleeping bag and said,
ah, you can't get up. And my right arm was down my side
and I couldn't move it, and I try really harden it. All of
a sudden, I'm trying to reach and as I'm getting the thing down to
go get my head out, it just sort of releases and I come out
of the bag and I'm kind of looking around. Now. I know what
people are thinking, Oh, that's the old lady syndrome of sitting on your
chest. It's lucid dreaming. Hey, you might be right, but I've
actually experienced that too. This didn't seem like that. That's all I can
tell you. All you have is my word that This didn't seem like that.
So now what am I talking about here? Now it's sounding like freaking
magic, Like, what do you mean he sat on you and then he
disappeared? All I can tell you is that's what it felt like. So
I got I didn't sleep the rest of that night. As you can imagine.
I got up and I went over to the edge of the mountain and
I'm looking across the sky and I'm looking out and I saw the four biggest
lights in the sky I've ever seen in my life. They weren't that far
away, but they were far away in a strange way, and they were
massive. There's no such a thing as an airplane this big, and these
four big lights lined up. Now here we go into that other side of
this. I'm a filmmaker. I'm there with my cameras to film. Why
didn't I film them? I didn't. I didn't even think about filming the
part of me Again, just like when I had the experience in Alaska while
I was doing Survivor Man, I didn't want to highlight Bigfoot. Then I
didn't want to highlight the lights in the sky this time, like no,
no, no, no, I'm here because of the sasquatch phenomenon. That
looks like I don't know that God, that looks like UFA, What am
I gonna do with this? Right? So I just let it go.
I turned away, and a few minutes later and they were just gone.
But they were huge. I can't explain them as they were not airplanes.
I can guarantee you that, but I don't know what they were. Okay,
So then I have this experience. The ending of this story is that
the next morning I go down. We'd put apples and chocolate bars and things
up on a tree and we put them sixteen feet up because I stood on
todd shoulders to place them up in the tree, and my night vision camera
was left there to film pointing up at them. And in the end,
get down and I pulled the cards out of the cameras, like, oh
my gosh, the cards have been it's been triggered. Go down, look
at the footage, and these apples disappear on frame. They just they just
disappear on frame, as if it was a magic trip. You know,
I'm a filmmaker and I know cameras. I'm hard pressed to give you an
answer as to why they would just disappear. Even if they fell off of
the camera. I mean dust triggered that camera. You would have seen the
fall like it would have triggered the camera as it was falling. But these
things were they were stuck on hard. They weren't going to fall. You'd
have to work them to get them off. Everything was in a situation,
saving for many maybe for one of the chocolate bars, it was just sitting
on a branch. Everything was in a situation. It was stuck on the
tree. So nothing's going to just you know, gently roll off a branch
because of a a win. And they were just gone. No explanation for
that. Months later, we're in the edit of that show and I'm expecting
that to be shown and my editor goes, what do you want me to
do about that last thing at the end of that head that bumps into the
end the end of the scene. I went, what head, Well,
you know the thing that happens at the very end of No, I didn't
see that, and rush out any and that's when he showed me some kind
of forehead kind of bumps into the bottom of the frame of what we're watching
just for a second there. But I know that that frame was sitting at
about seven feet off the ground. So all of that happens. Again,
blending with your commentary on mixing the paranormal with sasquatch and so on, is
to say again, nobody listening to this, not one person listening to this,
knows what they are. Even if it's somebody who's even seen one,
which I have not, you still don't know what they are or what they're
capable of. And truly, if they exist, they're capable of stuff that
we can't do, which rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It
doesn't mother me at all. I'm sure they can do lots of things we
can't do. They can't write a symphony, and they can't make airplanes or
motor boats or cars, but they can do a lot of other stuff we
can't do. So to the last time around, which was for the first
time in my life, I went out with Devin Masson and we shot what
was actually in my last Bigfoot episode that I've ever shot so far in Portland
area and I saw my first or what's that all about? I saw a
light fifteen feet away hovering off the ground and it changed size and it's like,
so, what do you want me to say to you. You know,
I was in the middle of the woods. There was nothing flashing.
It wasn't car lights, it was hovering right there. What are we left
with? You know, I think we're left with a very fascinating phenomenon.
It has all kinds of attributes that we were barely scratching the surface of and
we didn't even get into mind speak yet. So but I'm gonna shut up
and have a drink of my wine. I think what happened was along the
way it became a macho pursuit. It became you know, who's going to
discover Bigfoot first, Who's going to expose Bigfoot to the world first, Who's
gonna hunt one and shoot one down first? All of that and a lot
of that came out of well, I've often said I'll say this, and
I will come back later and qualified if you want, because it's a little
bit of a finger throwing the ring. But but I've often said that finding
Bigfoot was the worst thing that ever happened to the pursuit of Sasquatch, and
the phenomenon itself was barn I'm the worst thing. Doug Hicheck, that guy's
a complete fraud total. Oh no, I'm just kidding. I just want
to see it, he said, what now, Doug Hicheck inspired me.
His work on Monster Quest was unparalleled. Love all of his work and what
he's done. Doug, forgive me if I get this story wrong. I've
quoted his story a couple of times. I remember him saying to me,
and I think, Doug, if I'm getting it correctly. It was a
matter of him going up and I believe it was a fishing trip, and
I believe it was Quebec and landing on a lake can a float plane and
finding these massive footprints with a massive stride, and then following them for a
mile or more and then up which they just kept going because you gotta understand
there's long, big sand beaches in the High Canada, and then getting a
horrifying feeling all of a sudden and just turning around and stopping his pursuit and
leaving. Sorry, Doug if I got some of the details wrong, but
that's one of the ones I referred to and say. It is like,
look, that ain't hoaxing, you know. It's not like somebody went up
on that shore and put a bunch of big foot tracks for the odds that
someone might land there on a float plane. There's the middle of nowhere in
Canada. Right, this thing, this bissiveness is it's really unfortunate. It's
dying down now. I think I think everybody wanted to be on Finding Bigfoot.
Every we wanted to be on the town hall. Everybody wanted their story
told, everybody wanted their big Foot Symposium to be sold out. Right,
started getting a bunch of those, right. But the people who really truly
are into this are There are some really wonderful people. David Politis, wonderful
man, Doug high Check, Jeff Meldrum, God rest his soul, John
Binnernagel, Scott Carpenter and no, I'm forgetting people now They're gonna mad because
I forgot them. There's also Todd Standing. Lakam or hate him, there
is Todd Standing. I have no problem talking about Todd because I know he's
a controversial figure in all of this, because he's done so many things that
either excite people or rub them the wrong way. But all of these individuals
and all it's all of the competing beliefs about this. It's like, in
the end, it's like, come on, we none of us know.
Even if you saw one in the flesh, you still don't know what it
is. I mean, I wish I was you. I wish I had
had that experience you had, but you still don't know what it is.
And so that's what I try to say to people who don't care about it
at all. It's like, look, it's just a really interesting phenomenon with
thousands of years to it, hundreds of cultures to it around the globe,
tens of thousands of anecdotal references. Come on, if there's that much behind
it got to be something. And it's cool in the end if it gets
you out in the wilderness. Once again, that's my big there. We've
did a couple of times. I have to get the Todd Standing conversation out
of the way, because in preparation for this, I went back and looked
at some of your interviews. I've heard some of the things that you've said
about Todd Standing. I will be the first to admit I have called him
out on this show because I've had a problem with some of the things that
he's put out and presented as fact. As a matter of fact, I'll
listened to it today. What your take on his videos as a filmmaker,
and I'll be honest, for the first time, it gave me pause because
what you said make sense when you gave your opinion on the videotapes in particular,
because I've said it before and I'll say it again, and I've always
done this. I do believe Todd Standing has had multiple encounters with sasquatch.
I just don't know about all the evidence presented. So I guess my question
to you is where are you on that with him? And what is your
professional opinion. Let's just take the videos for example. You're a filmmaker,
so you've looked at those. Would you mind sharing your opinion on just the
videos? Yeah, I've held the video hard drives in my hands, and
you know, the hard drives downloaded from his cards in my hand and put
them up in my added suites. And I know Todd's going to listen to
this. So Todd, he knows how I feel about everything. I don't
have an axe to grind, and I also don't have any need to pander
in one way or the other. By the way, another name I said
I'd forget a name, Bigfoot. Stacy Brown Jr. One of my bros.
The guy is phenomenal and he's true to heart and everything he wants to
do when it comes to a researching skunk ape and sun squats. So another
another fantastic person in all of this, Bigfoot Stacy, Hopefully you're listening and
give me a shout, Yo, me a call with Todd. Sure you
know I've alreadys said that Todd can be overly enthusiastic. Shall we say?
He's incredibly focused and driven in this subject matter. He has the focus and
drive of quite frankly, you know, boring on what you might consider be
the autism or or Asperger Synder. Now, I'm not saying that he has
those. I'm saying that his drive and his focus is like that. It's
very intent and very this is at it. You know it's going to happen,
and God love him for that. But that intensity turns off a lot
of people. We look at individuals and I can't stand that guy. That
guy's an asshole. You know. We say things like that about people with
a strong intensity. I'm very judgmental, don't get me wrong, but I
don't judge people if they have either of them. I'm not saying any of
this is true about Todd Standing. But I'm saying I don't judge people if
they have a massive ego or if they're an asshole or whatever, especially if
they have something I want, you know, because sometimes I'll be dealing with
someone with a massive ego. But hey, he's the ticket in So when
a personality like Todds is there and he's doing any one of his talks or
his videos, people get a vibe. And many people don't like that vibe.
All right, fair enough, But regardless of whether you're not you have
a bad vibe. It's got nothing to do with whether or not he's telling
the truth or presenting real evidence, nothing whatsoever. So I went out with
him on several occasions, and what I can say about him this, to
his credit, the man his boots on the ground. Absolutely, he will
be out there for weeks on end. Again, there's that drive, there's
that focus. So if anybody's going to get something, he stands a good
chance because he just doesn't quit. He's relentless. By the same token,
when we were out there, I called him many times, Todd, I
don't think that's a big foot at all. I think that's an owl and
to his credit, he would say, oh, you might be right.
Now to somebody else, they might go, oh, that's a big foot
and they might just buy into it. Right. I never bought into anything.
And when you that way, he did respond in kind. He responded
with, okay, you got a point, but just saying the stuff that
he presented, Jimmy was a lot of I mean, at first, outlood
at things and I thought, did Todd build this stick structure? Did he
make these things? Like? You know, like you think that right?
And I'd say that right to him, like I'm trying to think like,
But then I'm looking at it, going, well, he's a strong dude,
but not that strong. So you wanted me to speak more about the
film, but I wanted I had before I get to the film. I
had to premise my beliefs in about Todd. Right, So again, it
is everything that he presents real and accurate. I don't know, haven't got
a freaking clude. But I say the same thing about Stacy Brown or David
Polidas or Doug Hijack. I don't know. Maybe doug story about the footprints
in Quebec is a bunch of bullshit. I don't know. But I like
to just say, but you know what, I'm gonna believe you anyway,
because you know, life's too short. Not too it's more fun to go,
yeah, this is cool. So same thing with Todd. All right,
So now we have his footage and maybe this is what you're referencing.
I'm not sure what you're referencing about the footage, but I had it.
I looked at it. There's something I have some issues with it. And
I've told him that I don't understand Todd why we don't have all of the
lead up footage. Where's all of the lead up footage of you scrambling and
this happening? And you know, you would say things to me as explain
things to me as to why he doesn't. And I'm not going to share
that. That's for him to share, but I'm going to say that I'm
not so sure. I agreed with him, and I told him I I
don't know, you know, but anyway, that was a concern of mine.
Where's all the lead up footage? Just all we ever see is and
I'm now working with you as a producer. I want everything leading to that,
and he didn't have it. I was very questionable but what the sasquats
look like? I get it, big deal. Joe Rogan starts giggling in
uncontrollably when he sees it. Good on him, you know. But look,
man, I come from a very lower than blue collar background. I've
sat in enough fockey arenas, in dressing rooms listening to a big ass buffoon
jock who owns the room because he's laughing and if you don't laugh with him,
and he's going to kick the crap out of you. You know,
I've been around that a lot, and so fine, you know, you
can get on there with different people who are just going to look at that
imagery that Todd Standing has and laughed their ass off, which gets everybody else
laughing, which makes it like a high school thing, right. But I'm
like, well, you don't know, it's not. And I know guys
like Thinker Thunker have gone into the film stuff, and every time I look
at something online that claims to be able to debunk todd Standings footage, I
can see the debunking. In their debunking. I can see where they're saying
something nuts, that's not right. What you just said is wrong, and
now you're basing everything that you're criticizing this footage on on what you just said,
and even though what you're saying might make sense, what you're basing it
on doesn't make any sense. I'm not going to get in detail. But
I've seen that in looking at stuff online. So here we are. Here's
the crux of this though, and I think maybe this is what you're getting
at here we are looking at these I believe it's these two face images when
everybody goes, oh, looks like an e walk and you know, and
then people try to say, oh, his wife worked as a special effects
artist. She was a hairdresser for crying out loud, And then there's the
time laps thing where you see Todd's face and then hey, that's all that's
all fun, you know, photoshop type work. Hey, have at it.
You could probably do that in a lot. You could probably do that
with just about any photo. Probably do that with me and Patty. So
I don't buy into any of that. But what I can say is this,
from my experience of knowing Todd standing and seeing that footage and having it
in my hands, I can't, as a filmmaker say that it's fake.
I can't as a person who knows Todd say that he's lying, and I
would if I could, but can't. So what are we left with these
two images? What is the problem everybody has with it? Here's my throwback
to the crowd of you know, everybody in the community, as you say,
the quote unquote community, it's this. First of all, they don't
really like him. Second of all, he shows us this footage that.
Third of all, if it's real, it's way better than Patty. And
we love our Patty. We're just have such an infatuation with Patty. Now
we all want a better image. But here along comes Todd, standing with
a personality that is difficult to manage and handle when you're listening to him speak
and he shows you this footage and you're instinct his go, that's bullshit,
that's made up, that's fake. But everybody, including and I respect Thinker
Thunker for the work he does, but including Thinker Thunker in this situation,
you don't know, and I don't agree with the little synopsis of how it's
all fake because we don't know that it's fake. And if it's not fake,
it's way better than Patty. It's a freaking frontal facial long term video
in focus. So this is what we're afraid of. I don't know.
I guess maybe if it had been David Politis who presented those photographs, we
either would have vilified David or we would have accepted it because he's much more
likable, shall I say, or Jeff Meldrow. Let's pick on Jeff.
Jeff Is like you want him to be your dad. He's a wonderful human
being. If it was Jeff's footage, we would have accepted it. But
because Todd has this intensity to him, I think that's where we're at.
So I still sit here today. Todd reached out to me just recently to
go on an expedition with him. I can't go because I'm busy, but
I would. I would also say, you know, I would be the
same skeptic that I am and I've always been, and so should everybody that
goes with him. You know, he's very charismatic and to some people,
but also very problematic to others, maybe maybe most So there you go.
Did I touch on the points that you were thinking of that I reached before?
Did I miss something? No, you absolutely didn't, And I really
appreciate it. Like I said, I've called him out on the air.
I've invited him on the show. I never heard back from him, So
I just reached out to him on Facebook and some other places, and I
would love to have him on the show to talk about those things. Like
you said, there's some things that you can't speak to that I think are
important for him. Well, maybe he doesn't feel the need. I guess
at the end of the day, maybe I don't give a ship. Well,
and I'm going to say, you know, if this is a man
who's had dozens and dozens of encounters, would you feel the need. And
that's the other thing. We all get injured. How many people have said
in this situation, I don't care what you think. I know what I
saw. And Todd's been up with many a Randy Greeson up in Canada,
amazing individual. Sonya oh, Sonya, forgot your last name. I got
to look it up real quick. Another amazing researcher. But Randy up in
Canada and Golden Ears Park. I mean, Randy opened me up to some
crazy experiences up there. Todd's been up with them, and Todd's been out
with Jeff Melderman. We all say the same thing, you know, very
intense. I'm being generous here, and that makes him difficult to be around
too many. Every snap is sasquatch. But on the other hand, an
intensity of focus and drive that you know, puts him in a situation where
you know, I mean he he put me on the top of mountain and
I went willingly. It was pretty over the top of an experience for me,
so, you know, as I've explained. So so I don't know
if we're not laying anything to rest here, We're not putting anything to bed
in anyone's minds, But I do want to say to people, check your
emotions on things, because if you are upset that someone out there has a
better video footage than Roger Roger Patterson, Bob Gemmen, well that shouldn't be
your motivation for judging it. You know, judge it Apart from that's that's
my own take on it. I just think I don't know what we want
to happen. But we're so addicted to Patty now that if my good buddy
Bigfoot Stacy Brown Junior put up a video tomorrow of a skunk cape and it
was clear and concise and everything, I bet you people would say, well,
he's been in this for a long time and he hoaxed it. If
it was better than Patty, you know, if it's worse than Patty,
we're okay with it. You see where I'm going with that? Oh?
Absolutely. And I've had to call myself out on my own show because I've
talked about Todd staining in the past, and then I'm like, well,
I'm those people, right, because I talk about all the time the people
that, well, we want the best evidence, and then somebody gives it
to you and it's too good, so it's got to be a hoax.
So I'm interrupting. But it's like hair samples that are shown with a certain
DNA that's not explained. You give that to someone who's not into this subject
at all, and they're like, oh, well, then it's just crap.
It wasn't That's just bullshit? God a DNA sample? Now, Like,
well, come on, where else where are we going to go with
this? You know? Like I said, when it comes to Todd,
I've had to call myself out because I become that person. You know,
it's too good to be true, so it probably is. And I do
want to believe that it's true because like you said, if it is in
fact real footage, it is the best footage we have ever seen and may
ever see. And I want to talk a little bit about that. I'm
going to go circle back around to the mind speak thing. I want you
to just touch on that experience if you wouldn't mind. And I do want
to talk about some of the weirder things that happen and some of your theories
on why we don't have the evidence. Why can't we catch these things on
trail cams? Are they just super smart or is there something else going on?
Do you have an opinion about that? Stay tuned for more Sasquatch jealousy.
We'll be right back after these messages. I don't know how I want
to say it. How about methodology for determining when someone is presenting evidence to
you that I would love to give to you, I'd love to share with
your audience, because I'm clearly speaking, we're preaching to the converted here.
There's nobody on here who doesn't have an interest in the subject matter unfortunately,
so I kind of watch I'll watch my words that way, because I don't
need to waste their time with let's call it beginner stuff that we all sort
of I've gotten passed, but just the same I've got a great methodology for
dealing with people who don't believe at all sort of thing. So with all
that said, repeat your question, where did you want me to go again
with it? It was something to do, Oh, the mind speak and
just the mind speak, and why we don't have more evidence in trail cams
and in that kind of thing. Why we don't have more evidence? Were
the first answer I could say, is what you want more? Right?
Just like we were just saying, part I mean wants just to say cynically
that you want you want more evidence? You want more than thousands of people
with experiences from rocks to sightings. What more DNA samples proven this way that,
what more castings? What more do we want? Right? So why
don't we have more? The real question, maybe that's underlying, was like
why don't we have the trailcam footage? If you're thinking of it being a
great ape of some sort, then you're going to think, oh, it
senses an energy, it senses the light to this, and that I throw
that in the mix of all of the attributes of it's so much more than
just an ache or at least it has. Let's let's let's not be wooy
about it. Let's not get into ancient aliens. Let's just say it has
abilities that baffle us that we're not really that maybe we don't have. I
mean, an octopus can change color like that, you know, and so
on and so forth. Right, So put all of these abilities into one
being sort of things, it becomes you know, yeah, now we're talking
like X men or something. But so why can't it be seen on it
on a camera? I mean, if you put a beach ball in my
kitchen and that beach ball represented something dangerous, and I come walk in the
living room, I'll see that beach ball way before I get in the kitchen.
The wilderness, and I'll tell you what this is something I learned from
Todd Standing. The wilderness is their home. You don't think it's exactly like
their living room. To them, they know every leaf, every branch,
every tree, every rock, human trails to them, they might use them
once in a while, but mostly they're traveling their own pathways. They don't
need us. So you put a trail cam. They probably can smell you,
sense you, feel the energy, you know and know how to bypass
it, or then we get into other realities things that I experience, for
example, or maybe they know how to play with the electronic the magnetic field.
Who knows. But again, you know, facetiously, part of me
wants to go what we need more evidence? I mean for a lot of
us listening, we don't need more evidence. We just, more than anything,
we want to have our own experiences. At this point, I think
we'd all be thrilled beyond belief to watch a clear footage cap should buy less
strout as he's outdoing survivor Man Bigfoot. I'd probably be called to hoax,
but also given all the credit for it. But by the same token,
I think most of us would rather just be out there and have our own
experience, a full on experience, a safe one, you know, more
than anything else. So why don't we have more of these things? We
have tons of them all the time, and people are sending me footprints in
the sand and different things all the time. And there's another one. There's
another one, you know in another vocalization to ask Ron Moorehead, how many
vocalizations? Oh, there's another individual, Ron Moorehead again, another great in
this field, you know, lots of evidence is already out there, you
know, and we're paying more attention all the time, which is good.
But the camera thing, that doesn't bother me at all. I mean,
sure a deer can't do it and a bear can't do it, but that
doesn't mean that a sasquatch doesn't have the ability to mess with your camera and
even just make it so electronically it's not working. Kind of thing the mind
speak, So this began for me. I've had four mind speaking experiences,
and this began for me with Scott Carpenter in Tennessee. Scott and I are
out and we are He's showing you the different things. Wonderful man, wonderful,
different perspectives. He was the first one that showed me a lot about
leaving gifts, but not in the way like like with Todd and different individuals.
It was leaving gifts that you think that they will take apples or what
have you, that sort of thing, But with Scott it was more about
utilizing the gifts as a way of communicating. Scott talked about leaving down rocks
and sticks and things and then having them move them around or turn them sideways
or doing different things with them. So Scott and I are out we're doing
filming Survivor Man Bigfoot, So we were actually filming the show, which,
by the way, one of the criticisms of Roger Patterson is he really needed
this footage because that's what he was out there to get, and it was
close to the last day, and that's why he faked it, right,
that's one of the comments. Well, I was out to film Survivor Man
Bigfoot, and I did start having things happen while I was filming. So
I'm not as critical about Roger Patterson anymore because you could say the same thing
to me, and well, of course you got this stuff less you were
filming a show about Bigfoot. Naturally you're going to something happened. Would nudge
nudge, wink wink, right, But you guys know me, I'm just
like now, I'm just gonna say what happened or didn't happen. Notwithstanding the
fact that I withheld certain things like the sitting on me in the sleeping bag.
I didn't say that in that show. You know why I didn't.
Viewers of that show weren't ready for that, And I don't mean that in
a condescending way. They just weren't ready. It was still a big ache
to everybody still is for the most part, to be honest with you.
Scott and I go out in the woods and he's showing in the different things
where I see that he's had some experiences and vocalizations, and he's played me
the tape. We played it on the show and song, and I said,
well, here's what I want to do. I want to stay out
here by myself, you know. So there's me and my matchiess MO Mode
going yeah, I got It's Tennessee. Nothing here can hurt me. So
I go out there. It was a dark and stormy night. That was
crazy. It was kind of dark and stormy, but not raining. And
that's important, by the way, because I have noticed very very very few
anecdotes ever take place in the rain. In fact, the opposite, nothing
happened in the rain when people are looking anyway. I'm out there. I
let it get really dark. Scott is in the park a lot, and
so I go to leaving, and now I'm walking this couple of miles on
a trail in the woods in Tennessee. It's windy, it's stormy a bit,
it's kind of spooky. It's it's got full on Halloween feel to it,
right, And this was the first occurrence, and I felt all the
hair go up on the back of my neck, and I felt like I
was in maybe not in danger, but something was there. I never get
that, you know, I just never that just doesn't happen. And then
as sure as I'm sitting here, I just feel right in the center of
my head, like I couldn't say it was on my left ear or my
right ear. It's like right in the right in the center of my head.
I just hear these words, which were if I remember, if you
want to see us stay the night, I'll tell you. It really freaked
me out, Like I just stood there going whoa, you know, I
mean, it felt like, for the life of me, it wasn't mine.
It didn't feel like my mind. I wasn't even looking for this.
I didn't even heard the term mine speak at that point. I was just
like making my show, you know, try and experience stuff. And well
this happened, and I actually I just felt like, okay, I felt
it was real and regardless of feelings not being facts, so I felt it
was real. And so I said, in my mind, I'm not ready.
No, And I truly was not ready. I was afraid to turn
around, like I felt like there was something right over there on that heel,
and it felt again feelings and facts right, but it felt like it
was a large male and then a young a juvenile. That's what it felt
like. That's what was in my brain. And this large mail said to
me this thing, and I said, no, I'm not ready, and
I could. It's like I sensed them right there over there on that hill,
about one hundred and fifty feet away, and the answer was like,
it's fine. And then they just turned and walked away. And as they
turned and walked away, in my mind, hair on the back of my
neck went down, because there's no hair on the top of my head.
Hair in my back of my neck went down, and I completely relaxed,
and it was a big WTF moment. I'm like, oh boy. I
didn't even tell Scott Carbon about it when I came out. I just kept
it. It's like the first time when I had the occurrence occurrencial ascal I
was filming big Foot once again, this thing happened just like on top of
the mountain. I'm not telling anybody this not yet Nope, nope, nope,
nope, nope, this one's this one's staying just for me. What
we have to ask is the question is, so, what are you saying
now, Oh, now you want to say they're telepathic. Well, my
answer would be, well, first of all, lots of scientists and science
will point to the ability of telepathy and people to pick up on thought energy
and it's just thought energy, Like, so, what if that was just
like norm for them. But if they were and we could get into Christine,
well, because I believe he's tapped into something thought of autism. What
if they were so severely savant and one of their savant abilities was telepathy.
Did to use it like speaking? Yeah, but what are you saying,
He's spoken English to you? Lesque? No, my mind gave it to
me in the way my brain comprehend would ever. It was that they were
getting across to me and yes, that's going to be the English language.
And if I was Chinese, it would be Mandarin, you know, if
I was from South America to be Spanish. But it happened to be English
in my brain because that's the way my brain has been trained to decipher thoughts
and so on. So this thought comes to me. It's deciphered as communication.
That sounds like quote unquote mind speak, quote unquote telepathy. Sure they
could have that ability. We're okay with humans having certain abilities. And that's
where we get into this other thing about and why I kind of always kind
of sing Crystal els praises on this is I like to say, what if
they were a severely autistically savaunt species and their abilities were existence in nature,
telepathy, cloaking. What if they have the ability to manipulate their own life
force energy? So if we give them that, this is not even dream
world stuff anymore, and it's not even science fiction stuff anymore, because you
know this stuff is also being research. So telepathy to me, I'm like,
gosh, so that happened. I told no one and then I've had
three other experiences since then. One was in Texas and it felt a little
menacing that was also well filming. One was on my way to the Portland
experience with Devin when I filmed that episode, And one was on my own
here. The funniest one ever was on my own here going to hike brisby
pointing in southern Oregon. And I so now I put it out there,
and if anybody wants to experiment with lepathy in a situation like this, here's
what I would advise to do. Put it out there. Just try to
think for a second, if there's anyone in this area, any of these
whatever they are as in this area, and you're about you're at the trailhead
right, and you can there and you say, I'm coming out and I'd
love to have an encounter and experience meeting you. And I'm just coming in
whatever you want me to know as peace sort of thing. And it's kind
of put that out there, right and listen, and just you know,
I do it all the time. Nothing had ever happened. One time,
bam, right in the middle of my head, I just got we're sleeping.
How is that? We're slaping? It's like we're sleeping going home?
Right. I will say this close off of this binds is that after that
experience in Tennessee with Scott Carpenter and hearing those voices, hearing that voice,
I went into a counselor to find out if I was schizophrenic. That's how
powerful it was. I said, listen, this thing happened. I'm going
to tell you about it. And I'm just worried, Like am I Like,
I've never experienced anything like that in my entire life. Hasn't happened since
that day. Can't explain it, And even the therapist or the councilor would
have said, it sounds to me like what you experienced was a gift and
you are not schizophrenic. First of all, you wouldn't be asking if you
were. This counselor actually said that. I went okay then, and then,
as I said, I've had three other encounters since then. So so
that's my take. Why do we even call it mine speak? That's just
too cute. Let's just call it telepathy. That's what it is. We're
talking about their ability with telepathy mine speak because they're bigfoot, because they're sasquash
would have to give it a cute name. It's telepathy. We've already accepted
the concept of telepathy in humans. Why can't we accept it within other species?
Let alone what a dolphin can do? You know, I don't ever
close that door because experience is very much like that. You can't explain that
any other way. So I want to be respectful of your time. I
know we need to close out, but I want to talk about what's going
on now? What projects do you have going on? What's the future Survivor
Man, Bigfoot, can you share anything that's coming up? A kah yeah,
and then I'll leave you with my little method of when someone tell it,
gives you story sort of thing. So I'm asked a lot. What
I can say. I'm not finished, it's not over. I have more
work to do in the field. It's a matter of timing. The pandemic
has has obviously disrupted a lot of people's normal flows of living in existence,
and certainly mine as well. By the way, for everybody listening, I've
put everything I've ever done with Bigfoot online now on my YouTube channel. It's
all there, including all my Survivor Man stuff. So I'm really having a
lot of fun with YouTube and putting all of that stuff out there and more
music. So this year as well, I'm releasing a ton of content every
Friday every Saturday on my YouTube channel. Survivor Man Less Stroud is new content,
and there will be Bigfoot stuff coming. Absolutely. I have friends such
as Devin Masson or Bigfoot, Stacy Brown Junior. We're always talking about doing
something together. I know, sooner or later one of these days, Stacey
and I will do something. I have a full feature share documentary film in
my brain that I would like to do on Sasquatch. Those things are,
shall we say, in the works. That's the best thing I can say
is if you go to my YouTube, that's the best place to go for
all my work. And I have my new podcast, Surviving Life with Less
Stroud, which I do broach the subject there. In fact, in season
one there's a three parter. I also interviewed John Zada, who is the
author of In the Valleys of the Noble Beyond about his search for Sasquatch amongst
indigenous cultures. Yeah, so my stuff is all all on the podcast and
mostly let's go to my YouTube. Everything is really there. So now to
finish out my little thing that I want to say is every once in a
while, I'll have someone say, oh, you know my aunt, you
know she claims to have seen big put twice now on her property over the
last fifteen years, and you know, she worked in conservat as a conservation
officer, and and they'll finish this little thing and they'll say, ah,
but you know, I don't know. And that's what I love to pounce.
I'm like, what do you mean you don't know? I don't know
if they're if they're real or not. I mean, I mean, oh,
oh, so your aunt's a liar. Then oh what are you saying?
No? Well, I mean hang on a second. And here's where
I go with this. And I did this at David Polidis's symposing thing that
he did. Actually, I said, oh, well, everybody to stand
up and stand up. That's had a big foot encounter. And there's like
thirty people stand up. Now, everybody sit down who their encounter was not
visual. A bunch of people sit down and left with about seven people sitting
up there. Before I get to what I did next, I'll say this,
we only have a couple of options. If somebody says to you they
saw a big foot or they had a big foot encounter, you only have,
well, especially mostly the visual thing. Right one they were high drawn,
two mistaken identity. Well, so hopefully we can rule up to being
high and drawn mistaken identity. A lot of these times, these are police
officers, conservation officers, nature instructors, people who are travel hunters, anglers,
people who travel the woods all the time. They know what a bear
looks like right, So you want to rule out identity, okay, and
now you're left with two Either they're lying or they're giving you an act,
the actual and factual representation of what they saw. So if you're going to
rule out mistaken identity and they weren't high or drawn, then you got to
look at them and go, you're lying. You're a liar. Because if
you can't look at them and say you're lying, then you're left with what
they're telling you. They were fifteen feet away from something that was ten feet
tall. It was big and hairy, it stunk, scared the crap out
of me, It looked at me, and then it turned and ran away.
So what is that again? We'd ruled out mistaken identity, We've ruled
out hundred So then if they weren't lying, they saw what they saw,
and if they saw what they saw, well, then about a thousand or
a few thousand times over, they exist. Right. That's the thing.
It's so easy for people. If I were my niece said, oh do
you still do that big but show? Giggle, giggle, giggle, giggle.
Right, that's a conversation that's over for me. I mean, someone
comes up to your party. Hey, dude, so I hear you believe
in bigfoot conversations over right? No, no, really, I want to
know. No, no, you don't less. I can't thank you enough
for your time. It's been an honor and a pleasure to have you on
this show. Man. It was a load of fun. Maybe we'll have
to do it again. When you put out some more bigfoot stuff, you
can come back on the show and we can talk about it. I appreciate
that I've enjoyed it. I don't do these very often. I don't get
a chance to talk about it very often, but as you can tell,
I'd like to be candid about it because I think there's a lot of Oh,
there's a lot of big egos and buffoonery and this I'll close it by
saying, none of us, even if you've seen one, you still truly
don't understand what it is or what it's capable of. And I, still
sitting here, can't say they exist. I really truly can't. But I've
got, you know, maybe seventeen eighteen experiences under my belt now that I
can't explain as being a deer or a moved sort wolf so in or a
bear or anything. So it's a fascinating subject. I'm glad you're doing this
and I appreciate every time. Absolutely man Less Stroud The Survivor, Man Survivor,
Man Bigfoot. You guys go check it out on YouTube. Thanks so
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