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And today we have another wonderful show. It's going to be great and a
fun time for everyone shall be had. We have Steve Bassett on from PRG,
the Paradigm Research Group, and many of you are aware of this gentleman,
and we talked about him last week because there is the White House petition
that he had opened up on the We Are the People website where the White
House has put up this site so you can go put up your own petitions
there and if you get enough people to sign your petition, then the White
House is supposed to respond you. The limit used to be five thousand,
where you had to get five thousand signatures. And luckily for the petition people,
it doesn't have to be someone in the country, which is interesting because
it's our country and otherwise the French, for example, we could have some
sort of revolution the Asians, because there's a lot of those guys out there.
They could say they put up a petition saying, close down your government
and give all of your power to China, and then have all the Chinese
people sign it, and you've got like five billion people signing this petition,
and the White House is going to be like, oh, no, we
have to close down and give our power to China. So I don't know
if that's a good idea. They should probably just take us signatures, but
they take them from all over the world, which also has helped Steve Bassett
because, as people may know, the exopolitics movement is all over the world
and Steve Bassett is going all over the world doing talks about exopolitics, and
he's going to be talking with us later today about his petition, which asked
the White House to acknowledge that we're talking with extraterrestrials and that they're here and
we're down with et Ett and so that's what his petition's about. So we're
talking to him about that. I've written about it on Huffington Post, on
on our website and stuff like that. We talked about it last week and
some of the controversy because can the president even know if the White House wanted
to know, you know, and they went over, hello, you know,
military intelligence people we wanted to know about UFOs, they'll probably get the
door slaming in their face. And possibly Clinton and President Carter had this happen
to them, the doors slam in their face. You don't have a need
to know, and they were told to get the hell out of here,
So that could happen to Obama in the White House even if they decide to
genuinely go pursue this subject that Stephen Bassett has put for us. But Bassett
and I will talk about Robert Salas, who put one forth that just talks
about UFOs, doesn't go the whole extraterrestrial route. So that's what we're going
to be talking about on the radio show in our interview a little later.
However, most of you probably want to hear the UFO News because you like
I love our UFO News correspondent, Jason McClellan, who's here every week to
talk news with us and people. You're lucky because he's here again today.
So Hello, Jason, give us some news, baby for reading Zalejandro,
and hello everybody. I am happy to give you more UFO news. This
is your open Mind's news brief for Monday, October seventeenth, twenty eleven.
Well, a man photographed a UFO somewhere beyond the scene. It was actually
over the sea. But at least when I sing, I don't sing during
the show. I should, though, maybe we should make the show a
musical. You used to sing a lot during the show, it happened lately,
and he used to do a lot of phone dialing music as well.
We're gonna have to use the phone dialing. Oh, that's right, phone
dialing music. But back to the story. A man photographed to UFO over
the sea while on vacation near Saint Austell, Cornwall, in England, on
October first, twenty eleven. The man was taking a leisurely stroll when he
decided to snap a photo of the picturesque seascape. The photographer didn't notice anything
unusual at the time, but when he returned home and uploaded his vacation photos
from his camera to his computer, he noticed the UFO over the sea.
The object in the photo was blurry, and this makes sense because the object
not seen by the photographer when he was taking a picture would most likely have
been moving very quickly for him not to notice it, but at initial glance,
the UFO appears to be disc or saucer shaped. According to The Daily
Mail, this UFO photograph was unveiled at the Cornwall UFO Research Group conference.
In describing the photograph, the group's founder, Dave Gillham pointed out that there
appeared to be two trails of water beneath the object, which look as though
they are falling from it to the sea. He offered the possible explanation it
could be that the object had just emerged from the sea. The Daily Mail
reports that a spokesman from the nearby Royal Navy Air Base conferend that no military
aircraft were in the area at the time, but The Metro points out there
could be a much simpler explanation. A seagull and when you look at the
photo again you can totally make out the seagull. And apparently some have tested
that this UFO is a seagull in flight and those two trails beneath the bird
are nothing more than doodoo and they're white. They are white, and anybody
familiar with signal seagulls or other birds is familiar with the white Otherwise it could
be like an spaceship dropping like Space Invaders, you know, those little wine
bomb things that they dropped on you. Because it's they're little white lines.
You can see the similarity shoe. If you look at the picture, you
could you could see that there's white lines Space Invaders. But it's a seagull.
It's a seagull. When you first look at the picture, you say,
wow, there's a flying saucer. It sort of looks like a saucer.
But but again, trained eye, when you look at it, you
can see the shape of the chest and yeah, yeah, definitely, And
then you look at other seagull pictures, it's definitely a seagull. And it
happens a lot with birds. And unfortunately, you know, of course when
you're taking pictures, you don't notice things flying around, birds and bugs and
stuff like that. So often people will oh, they get their pictures back
and the website and then you know, typically they're often not always there,
but often they're birds. Correct. Yeah, those dive bombing seagulls are up
to no good. Yeah, So the media had a lot of fun with
the whole seagull pooh UFO thing. There were a lot of headlines with Pooh
in it. Yeah, that's always fun. That's disgusting. It's fun though,
I guess. Well. It was just two weeks ago that we reported
that a major change was made to the Roswell International UFO Museum and Research Center's
website. Now it appears that the museum has scrapped their plants for their biggest
change of all, which would have been a new building. Groundbreaking took place
two years ago on what would have been a new twenty five million dollar home
for the museum near the heart of downtown Roswell, but according to KOB Eyewitness
News for on Tuesday, October eleventh, officials from the museum announced that the
project has been scrapped and the two million dollars lot where the building is going
to be constructed will now be sold. The museum will reportedly stay at its
current location after securing quote not only a long term lease, but an option
to buy the property. That's according to museum representative Jack Swickard. Plans are
being developed to renovate the museum's existing building, and negotiations are reportedly underway to
perhaps purchase neighboring buildings and somehow incorporate them into the overall museum. According to
KOB Eyewitness News for an economic study shows that the museum brings in an estimated
fifty seven million dollars into the state's economy and attracts around one hundred and fifty
thousand visitors each year. Absolutely, I mean Roswell, the Roswell incident is
Roswelt's economy. I'm kind of glad in a way because of course it would
have been exciting for them to build this fancy new facility, and it was
pretty fancy. But I've been watching this and it's been years and the money
just isn't there. So I'm really excited about this because where they are is
kind of fun, and I mean it needs I think internally it can have
some, you know, stand some renovation, but you know it's in this
old theater and plus the front, the marquee and everything is so famous by
now and it's a trademark. It's great to have them where they are.
And now, what was neat about this year in Roswell is they had acquired
only just before the conference, which was really helpful. At least one or
two of the storefronts that were nearby in this same building therein so they were
able to have more speakers and some talks in these other rooms. So like
the Kimbler stuff, the Roswell stuff we talked about where we had the pictures
of Don Schmidt, Stan Friedman and Kevin Randall and Tom Carey all together,
those were in this other room. So it was a great room. And
she talked about how she might have the opportunity to buy more of those,
and if she could buy this whole building, which is this whole block in
Roswell, that would be awesome because then they can, you know, focus
that money will go a lot further into renovation as opposed to building a real
fancy, huge place. Well, don't speak too soon, because the article
I believe mentioned that part of their plan is if they can acquire all of
these other spaces next to them, then they can move forward with building their
gigantic, super nice museum like they had planned the original design. Why don't
they do that in the place they would tear it down and build stuff,
which I think would be a shame. But yeah, their their current location
looks awesome. I've never been there, but you certainly have. Yeah,
and if they can expand in there because it's always fun to have, you
know, kind of a front that is I mean, because it's maybe they
get bored with it. It looks like old town, you know, a
small town old town and the marquee of the big UFO. So it's neat
looking, and that's a big drop for people, like I said, are
urban urbs nights and stuff, because it looks neat and then when you go
inside and you can have this really cool experience. And there's a lot of
museums like that. Heard museum from the outside, for example, doesn't look
that great, which is a famous Native American museum here, but when you
go inside, it's really laid out, very nice and looks looks great.
I think the exterior appearance of the Roswell Museum is perfectly fitting. Yeah,
I mean you're talking about Roswell. I think your mike went out, My
mic went out. There you are, you know the Roswell incident. Talking
nineteen forty seven, That to me doesn't say fancy right exactly, because then
it looks more like nineteen forty seven. I feel like you're more in the
times of what happened, which is the whole point, because you walk in
there and you've got all of this stuff from that age, right, and
it feels like you're there and you get the sense of what it was like
to be there in nineteen forty seven. It makes sense, and hopefully this
is all working out for the best and they take advantage of it now that
they can get along leaves and perhaps by the building. Yep, that's excellent,
Alejandro. I'm going to talk to you about something that I've been wanting
to talk to you about, and we've mentioned this in the past two weeks
on the show, but Live Science published an infographic a couple weeks ago on
their website showing the top ten states for UFO sidings. The National UFO Reporting
Center's data was used to create the infographic, and the data represents sightings from
nineteen ninety four through twenty eleven. Well, you Walejandro, compared that data
with the UFO sidings reports from moufon and you published your results complete with charts
on our website, oprom MYZATV and Huffington Posts and you put this together in
a really visual presentation. But you've got three different charts here showing hotspots,
and you broke it down explaining it, and I'd like to explain it because
we've got first we have that the UFO Hotspots per report, and we have
the top three being California, Texas, and Florida. Then you have the
UFO Hotspots per population and the top three there North Dakota, Arizona, and
Colorado. And then lastly we have UFO Hotspots per Alejandro and the top three
there would be Arizona, Colorado, and Oregon. We have three different top
threes here, So talk me through this a bit. All right, I'm
glad you asked, because I know you're someone who reads articles, but not
everybody does. Some people just look at the pictures, and if you're one
of the picture lookers, you know all you got was what Jason just described.
So you probably were so confused that you looked at the pictures you sat
there and and moved on. Which is great because picture lookers, unfortunately probably
aren't that into details anyways, because they never get them just by looking at
the pictures and not reading the text. But there's a lot of them out
there. So for the picture lookers, or for those of you who like
to listen to the radio show and don't get the website, but you better
go to the website. I'll explain this. Yeah, what I did is
what I decided to do since they did their infographic, was kind of do
my own but with MoveOn data. So the first graph I wanted to find
out, well, is it similar to what they got on the Life Science
with the new Fork material? And it was very similar in fact, I
put those two together and the only difference differences where for instance, Illinois is
a little bit lower on the Mofon list and up on the New Fork,
but it's still very close. It's number eleven, it's not in the top
ten, but it's very close to the top ten for MoveOn. There are
little changes like that he is in Oregon, right, Steve Davenport. Washington,
Oh, I think you're white Washington. So Washington, for instance,
is about fourteenth on MoveOn, but it's second on his life and I think
that's probably because more people in Washington know about him. He gets a lot
of press out there because he lives in a silo, so you know,
he gets a lot of pressure about living in a silo and running a UFO
thing, So people report to him probably more than move On. Whereas Colorado,
which is where Moufon is and they get more press there, more people
report to Moufon, So just some of those differences. Otherwise it was very
similar. Then I pinpointed at more to twenty eleven to see what was happening
there. Really it's about the same. When you look at reports overall,
how many what states are getting UFOs and it stays the same. However,
when you look at this you see a lot of the states with the highest
populations in the top of the list. So because they have more people see
they have more sightings. So what I wanted to do was break it down
to, well, how many places are getting more sightings per person because that
might really indicate where the hot spots are. And that was the second craft
so per person. So for instance, North Dakota, they only have six
hundred and seventy thousand or so people, and so they were getting three point
four sidings per hundred thousand person, which is the highest. However, you
know, we learn in stats class that if you don't have a sample size
of thirty or more than it, you should probably throw it out. And
because they only have twenty three reports as opposed to a California with like three
hundred plus reports that data is probably not as accurate as to whether or not
they may be a hotspot or not, because of course one siding can throw
that off right so huge. And you know, it's very very cool seeing
you do this with the population taking that into consideration, because you did bring
up states that weren't recognized before, like North Dakota and Alaska. It wasn't
Alaska number four on that one. Yeah, and that's crazy, but yeah,
go go ahead with your next one. And Alaska only had seventeen.
Wyoming had thirteen. They came to the top because they don't have much of
a population. So if they take, for instance, if Wyoming would have
had two less, they would have dropped a lot further. So I took
all those that had thirty or less out to figure out, Okay, what
are most likely the hotspots, and what rose to the top was Arizona,
Colorado, Oregon, Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Nevada, Kansas, Michigan,
and Connecticut, which is pretty interesting. I think a couple of the
interesting things are I think you can really pinpoint these states more likely as a
hotspot because this is per population and these are places that have a fair amountal
reports. And I found this before when I looked at this data a couple
years ago, that it was very similar to this, so very interesting.
Of course, I've been in Arizona and Colorado. We talked about that,
I think last week, so that was kind of funny. But it was
also kind of funny because I received a message from my buddy Chuck Zukowski,
who's been on the show before, and his sister is the state director for
Moufon in Missouri, and he was looking at information she had and he had,
and he saw that there's a lot of sidings between Colorado in Missouri,
and he saw that also some cattle mutilation reports that he's investigated in Colorado.
We're all along the thirty seven degree line latitude line, so and my map
kind of correlated with what he saw. So that was kind of interesting too.
But I think here you can really have the hotspots for what it's worth.
Interesting enough, though Colorado or I mean California and New York. Some
of the places, of course with the highest populations that work towards the top
really drop down when you go per population. The hard part is of California
so big. I think New York, we really don't have as many sightings
per person, so it's not maybe a hot spot California. If we could
regionalize California by South California, North California, maybe made California, we may
find some part of California is a hot spot, but unfortunately we can't do
that, so California and even Texas drop off. But yeah, it's really
interesting that right in the heart of the country we have something. Now,
the other problem is there are so few reports that for every UFO siding that
someone actually goes and finds move On or Newfork, which isn't you know,
if you go to the website and put in UFO siding, you may be
able to find something. But someone has to be pretty they have to have
a reason to do that. And a lot of people see something and they
tell their buddies. Maybe they even go to the media first before they try
to go look for a reporting center. So most sightings probably don't go reported
to move On or Newpork or even the media. So that kind of throws
a kitchen all of the data too. So are these really more UFOs in
Arizona and Colorado and Kansas and Missouri and Kentucky and Indiana than there are in
the rest of the country. It's hard to say, but at least there
seems to be a trend of more reports per person in those areas. Well.
Enjoyed looking at your charts and I did read your article pretty colors about
it. But thank you so much for putting that together. I know that
was a lot of work. You spent a whole fun time. It's important,
I mean, move on. There's a lot of people out there and
they're getting data and getting information, and you know, they've got the great
database. Same with new Fork. It's a lot of hard work to get
this information and this data, and this is what it was for to try
to put it together, figure out the trend, to see what's going on
with these reports. Well, good job, thanks you know the news.
Residents in Shanghai, China, will bewildered by a multi multi colored UFO in
the night sky on Monday, October tenth, which was last week. According
to a television station, witness stated, I feel curious about the object.
I don't know what it is. It can't move like a plane and can
change colors into green and red alternatively. But the UFOs were later identified as
large kites equipped with hundreds of colored LED lights. Did you watch the video
of it? Yeah, you're kind of crazy. I'm glad that this was
a news report that showed it at the end, because when you watch in
the sky, it's just kind of amazing to see because all you see are
these LED is changing color and kind of pulsing downward. It looks really cool.
It looks super cool. But on the ground you see it's just triangle
kite and have this round set of lights in the middle. Looks crazy.
From the sky. Yeah, it's really fun. And if you knew how
to do Like Chuck, he knows how to He's got a computer program where
he can put lights together and do weird stuff like that. A lot of
people are doing that. That's becoming pretty normal now. Love using their you
know, remote controlled airplanes, kites, things like that, but really adorning
them with these LED lights that you can program and flying them at night is
really becoming popular. It's fun. Of course, it throws another wrench in
our system here when we're trying to look for UFO reports, but that's just
what you do with when technology improves. I guess. Yeah. Well,
in other news, a photographer in Milan, Italy, recently captured multiple mysterious
UFOs on camera, according to Mexican journalist and TV personality Jim Mossan. On
Monday September nineteenth, Antonio Uzi was taking some test shots with the camera and
a telephoto lens when he noticed a strange object in the sky. According to
Erzi, the object appeared to be a flying sphere, but with his telephoto
lens he was able to see much more detail. The series of eleven photographs
shows the saucer shaped craft with a sphere shaped objects centered on the bottom of
the craft and three smaller sphere shaped objects around the larger sphere. This object
strongly resembles a well known UFO photograph by Georgia Damski that was taken in nineteen
fifty two. The sequence of photos also shows smaller, independent sphere shaped objects
accompanying the larger object. Some of the photos show only one of these spheres
moving around the larger craft, while other photos show at least two small spheres
in the sky at the same time as the larger craft. Erzi claims that
after snapping the eleven photos, his camera stopped working, and then the UFO
and the spheres disappeared and the photos were analyzed briefly by somebody who works with
Orzy, and he said he couldn't find any sign that the photos had been
tampered with or brought into photoshop or anything. Orzi. If you're familiar with
them, he's taken hundreds thousands, according to some people, of photos and
videos of UFOs in Italy but also around the globe, and he claims to
be followed by UFOs. Photos and videos are highly controversial as well as Theodanski
photos are if you're familiar with those. Yeah, it's a tough case.
I mean, we've covered it in our magazine because he's got these phenomenal pictures,
amazing pictures, these amazing pictures of UFOs flying over his house. Are
they really I've got a video up where I was with him and I took
this video of a UFO, but I think it was a balloon over in
Mexico. So yeah, it's just so difficult to say with these, And
it's of course, this one is so strange because it looks so much like
the classic Kadamski UFOs and I don't know, I can't recall seeing that anytime,
not recently, Yeah, it's been There were other people other than a
dam Ski. We took those pictures though, but that was during the time,
typically during the time that he was see and that Sadanski like UFO looks
similar to the other crafts that he's photographed in this detail just seems to have
additional orbs at the bottom of the craft. Yeah, so kind of interesting.
Well, speaking of actual orbs, two or of UFOs recently recorded on
video on the sky over Missouri. The Epic Times provided this description of the
video. The brightly glowing objects are traveling low in the evening sky. They
fly around each other, appearing to almost collide before descending into the distance and
disappearing behind some trees. A husband and wife witnessed the glowing UFOs together,
and the wife recorded the incident on our iPhone. The husband then submitted the
report of their sighting to move on the Mutual UFO network, which included the
video. The video has since been uploaded to YouTube, along with the following
description from the husband that submitted it with his moof on sighting. He said,
my wife witnessed two gwelling orbs in the sky while she was driving down
our street. She had an incredible video that she shot from her iPhone through
the windshield. The lights spun around each other then descended to the ground.
They went behind some trees and out of view. She's very reluctant to share
this experience, so I'm writing this for her. Some have suggested that the
mysterious lights in the video could be remote controlled airplanes, while others has suggested
the video is nothing more than a hoax. However, no official identification has
been made. Yeah, really interesting video, maybe CGI, you know what.
It reminded me of them, and I think it's a video that doesn't
get enough attention personally, even though it was the one that we have from
Las Vegas that we have on our YouTube, the one with roller coaster.
Yeah, roller coaster. And this is when I got from Greeley, when
I did a talk in Greeley, Colorado, a couple of years ago,
and some guys brought this video to me, and they were in Las Vegas
and there's a weird white light flying over the strip where they were over by
New York, New York, and then it kind of zooms down and does
this weird stuff. And in this video you have these two lights zooming all
over the place. If it's real, it's I mean, it's incredible,
but it should be looked that closer because we saw some things that might indicate
it to be CG. But someone needs to take a look at that because
it's it's a very interesting video. Yeah, it's a great video. It
I definitely watched it quite a few times today, and you're right, there
are a couple indications in there that that could be problematic. But you know,
it's difficult to tell. These are balls of light in the sky.
And we've seen so many ore videos this year, and one good thing this
one has where there's been problems in the past with CGI is when it flies
behind trees, you can see it through the leaves once in a while,
right, whereas there are some other videos where that didn't happen, which was
a big vacation that it was not being light in the sky. Will say,
this is one definitely not Chinese lanterns, Yeah, not Chinese lanterns.
And this is not flight planes, no, And this is not like the
Red Bull Air Force the skydivers with players on their feet. You had another
idea of possibly RC planes with LEDs. It could possibly be that's possible because
they can fly pretty crazy, but even that's kind of would be maybe a
little bit of a stretch because they're moving so fast and up in the air
and down again and again. Some of these issues with the lights and where
they're moving in front of or behind of it kind of rules out RC to
me. But yeah, it's difficult to tell. I mean, we have
no idea what it is. It's a fun video to watch, so definitely
check it out. Yeah, CG or possibly a real phenomena, pretty exciting.
Well, all that is it for the news for today. Remember to
check out all of these stories and many many more at openminds dot tv,
your source for up a related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds
News correspondent, and you have been briefed back to you, signor Alejandro.
All right, thank you, Jason. A couple other articles that I want
to tell you about on our website just recently, in fact, just yesterday
or no, this was Friday. There's one on the Mexican government and the
twenty twelve main calendar, and Antonio Juneez has done some more research into these
claims that the Mexican government has given this documentary maker who's the son of Raoul
Julia. This data that's never seen before that claims that the Mayans were talking
to extraterrestrials and stuff. So Antonio dug in to find a lot more information
and it's a two parter and the first part was posted on Friday. So
that's a very interesting story. And then, like I said, I'll be
writing some more on the reporting in that thirty seventh latitude line and if there's
significance there, So keep an eye on our website and hopefully I'll get on
the show Chuckszukowski and his sister Debbie Ziegelmeyer soon because she's in Missouri to talk
about the UFO videos that we and the other sightings that have been going on
these areas, because there's been some good ones that have gotten some news.
However, without further ado, let us go ahead and speak to our featured
guest today, mister Steve Bassett. All Right, I am very excited to
have for the first time, actually I think, on the show, Stephen
Bassett from the Paradigm Research Project. Hello, Hi, Alejandro, it's great
to be with you. Yeah, great to have you on, especially at
this time. I'm sure you're really excited about the petition, meaning the disclosure
petition. Right. Yeah, it's an interesting project that PRG launched on September
twenty second, and it's really the first time I think that we really had
something quite like this. Let me give your listeners the background right now.
There are petitions all over the place. There are petition websites where you go
and you can sign petitions and put up positions and what have you. There
are petitions in play by organizations such as move on dot org regarding various events
like Occupy Wall Street. Some of them have as many as one hundred and
eighty two hundred thousand signatures. That's possible because the organization is behind them,
like move On, spent has spent millions of dollars developing mail lists, email
lists that are many millions in size. And to what extent these petitions impact
It's hard to say. They certainly bring people together, they're a focus,
but to what extent the impact government, We're not sure. What's different about
what's going on here is that the White House itself initiated a petition process on
the White House website white House dot gov, which receives many, many millions
of visitors. A three month. I need to check to see how many,
but it's a big number. And this was done as part of their
open transparent government campaign Promises and change you can believe in, Promises whatever.
Trying to be more democratic. All well and good, So they initiated a
petition process in a section called We the People. The links to it are
running the very top page of the White House website. Now one and two
hundred I'm rather, I'm sorry, one hundred and ninety two petitions have been
submitted since September the twenty second. What's different about this particular process is that
the White House has stated on the site that any petitions which received a certain
number of signatures within thirty days of their being posted will be actually formally reviewed
by White House staff assigned to this and a formal response will be returned by
the White House or by the appropriateities within the EMBOMA administration. More importantly,
all of these petitions are in fact sitting on the website. They're right there
for anyone to review anywhere in the world, and so consequently they're getting a
lot of exposure that other petitions out there in the internet in their lands might
not get. And then finally they did something interesting with this, Alejandro.
They are not limiting signatures to just the people in the United States or United
States citizens anywhere in the world can sign these petitions. Okay. So when
p ORG learned about this in at the end of August, to realize you
had an e opportunity here to get attention, to draw attention to and focus
on the et disclosure movement. So PRG three promoted a petition as the White
House requested that people do, and so within an hour of it going the
site going active. On September the twenty second, a disclosure petition was up
on the website where it remains. Now what is the disclosure petition? It
reads exactly as follows. We the undersigned strongly urged the President of the United
States to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presidence engaging with the human race an immediately release
into the public domain all files within government agencies and military services relevant to this
phenomenon. This is an unambiguous, straightforward statement. These not a lot of
run If you do not think there's an extraterrestrial presidence. If you do not
think that fulful phenomena and other phenomena are in fact have an ep origin,
and there's no reason to sign this petition, but if you do, there's
a good reason to sign it. And that was designed that way. There's
one of a petition up there now which is similar but somewhat soft. Lay
right. These petitions have achieved. Both petitions will achieve formal response from the
White House. Now, one question is, of course, your wording is
much stronger. You go all the way to saying an extraterrestrial presence as opposed
to asking for them, just to which previous initiatives have been just looking into
the UFO phenomena, You go all the way to acknowledging an extra treastural president.
President, Why did you take that extra step? What? Because it's
true. The extraterrestrial presence is a fact. It's been established through sixty years
of research by a whole lot of people, their witnesses coming forward. There's
mounds of evidence. What's the fact. And every time you step back from
that past, sorry, every time you step back from that fact, you're
diminishing the activism, if you're diminishing the addicacy. It's a compromise. Now,
there are people that want to split hairs on this and say that well,
maybe they're not from another planet, maybe they're from another dimension, or
maybe they're from the future or the past. Hey, look, and I
think extraterrestrial will sufficiently cover all three of those possibilities. And certainly it doesn't
really matter. All three would be absolutely extraordinary and requiring full engagement by all
segments of our society. So I don't really split that hair. The extrust
or presence is a fact. Millions of people know this already, and every
year millions more come to that understanding, and so it's a very important to
state the fact directly and not back away from it. And that's why the
petition is reported that way. Okay, And just on some of the evidence
that you talked about that there is a lot of evidence has been gathered by
researchers for a period of time. What do you think is the best evident
some of the best evidence When you think of this, like if let's say,
you know, a politician was to say, well, Steve, you
know, what is this evidence that there are extraterrestrials, what would you tell
them? Well, many years ago, thirty years ago and back in the
eighties, J L. And Heinez, the great researcher and astronomer who left
the government program he was hired to participate in in order to quote debunk the
UFO issue to the American people, left it reverse his position, founded KUFOS
Center for UFO Studies. Well, he was frequently asked this question. He
had a similar saying response, where do you want me to back up the
truck? It's not so much best evidence. Any single piece of evidence can
be wrong. In other words, you can commit a heinous crime, such
as say a murder, and a senator could come forward at your trial and
state, matter of fact, why he or she saw you do it,
and that would be pretty impressive. And yet that senator could be bold faithlined.
So there is you know. Any photographs can be fake, video can
be fake. It is the totality of the evidence, sixty years of accumulations
of videos and photographs and citing reports by the tens of thousands, hundreds of
thousands of people submitting written accounts, the researchers of their contact experiences from around
the world, witnesses of high rank and station coming forward and talking about events
and that they have been involved a while working for the governments. This is
a huge amount of evidence which in its totality is absolutely beyond and reasonable about
this is the way people need to think about this. They constantly look for
the smoking gun, and that's not the way science or the world works.
When you go into a trial, you're convicted on the totality of the evidence,
and the totality of the evidence for an extraterrestrial presence, probably from other
planets, is overwhelming, and that's the way you have to look at it.
Now, just kind of along this name because I agree with you.
Yeah, you're right, you know, cour it's all about the totality.
In fact, I was just watching the show last night. I think it
was about the Arsnick, the guy who was sending the arsenic around, and
how they tried to try someone and that they emphasize you have to look at
the totality of the evidence as oppost to all of these tiny pieces, which
is something that isn't done in this field, like you're talking about. However,
some time, you know, especially in science, semantics of course gets
really important. And then when it relates to politics, and so I can
understand your definition of extraterrestrial covering some of these other possibilities, but sometimes that
and I'm sure you ran into this. Uh, using that term can kind
of scare some people away, such as in the realm of science, because
it feels like coming to a conclusion before they've done the research. We would
you say to someone who felt that way, are you when you say using
the term are you referring using this from actual politics or extraterrestrial Well? You
know, the point is the research has been done. Now, is it
all the research that have been done? Now? Uh? The government?
Is the government revealed what its research is and covered? No? Has the
governm deliberately try to undermine the efforts of citizens in this Yes? Are we
under a truth embargo designed to contain and to minimize the effects of citizens on
this issue? Yes? Does that make it tougher? Sure? Absolutely.
I mean it's like a trial where you're you know, you know, hey,
you have been indicted on the crime, and you go to trial and
lo and behold the government, the prosecution is deliberately manipulating the evidence, undermining
your own defense in order to convict you. That's of course you legal people
will go to jail for that. That's called prosecutory and misconduct. So what
we have here is a sixty year effort citizen science effort to understand and establish
the basis for what was called the UFO phenomena, I call it extraterrestrial phenomena,
and the entire time the government was deliberately attempting to interfere and undermine that
effort, well, of course, not revealing what it knows. This is
an extraordinary situation, and so one of the reasons why even today you have
people that are saying, well, we don't really think it's been proven yet,
is because they don't. First of all, and almost in every case,
they haven't really reviewed the fatality of the citizens' science evidence, and they've
also accepted a great deal of what the governments had to say about this.
So they're simply misinformed. Now we get misinformed all the time. What's important
about this kind of misinformed is that it's coming from the government itself, which
of course is not what we want. It is bad gut policy and can
lead to very awful consequences. And so the disclosure movement is a political movement.
It's not a science movement. It is first and foremost trying to recognize
the reality of this truth in bargo, the implications of it, and to
present the information and issue to the public with factored in right, in other
words, remote the publicans saying, look, this is the truth of the
matter. The government has tried to undermine that truth. You need to understand.
You've been as the target of that process, the truth in BARCO,
which has made it that much more difficult for you to get the picture.
We're trying to cut outify that for you. So that's what makes it unusual.
Again, it's like being in a trial where the prosecution is doing everything
it can, so I have to illegally to undermine your own case, and
so you have to operate on a little different basis there, which is to
say, this is now a political problem. More science should be done,
and I'm sure there plenty of science it will be done. Plus, we
need to know everything the government has learned. But right now, the reason
this issue is not resolved it is not because quote there isn't enough scientific evidence.
It's because there is not There needs to be a change of policy on
the part of the United States government. And I say that meaning the national
security structures which have directed this policy and manage this issue and have for some
time got cham now of course as a political tool. Also you know which
is what this this site was all about, is getting to what the people
are interested in, on what people want to know about from the White House.
This is certainly gained some ground that way. What do you expect might
be the answer that you received? I guess what there's worth? Things stand?
Uh huh, forgive me, I'm trying to get set up here for
a second. Here's where things stand. There have been one hundred ninety two
petitions submitted to the White House website for the Weak of People initiative. The
disclosure petition has received approximately ninety eight hundred signatures. Is it is twenty first
out of one hundred and ninety two in terms of signatures that have obtained.
That's very respectable. Not a big number, that's respectable. So people are
going to the White House website. They are seeing this petition as part of
this process. They're seeing that it's getting respectable number of signatures, and that's
a good thing. The threshold needed to be responded to was five thousand.
The disclosure petition got that four days, so there will be a formal response.
The other petition that addresses this issue is right under five thousand. I'm
quite sure it'll reach that threshold. Since that October five, the White House
increased the threshold of twenty five thousand, which was a mistake. It's too
many. They probably shouldn't have increased it to more than ten, which they
may correct, but it's not retroactive. But the disclosure petition will receive a
response. What that responsibly, I can imagine, but there will be a
response, and of course we will heavily publicize it and discuss it around the
world. But what I'm really interested in is how many signatures can we get
on this petition? Not having the bath sums of money that a move on
dot org has or the National Rightful Association have or ARP has, but having
access to the social media like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, YouTube, email
lists and websites, can we share the link to this petition sufficiently to gather
a lot of signatures from around the world. The number of people that believe
that there is an et president is roughly fifty percent in most of the industrialized
world, and probably around forty percent and the non industrialized world, and it's
a huge number, between two and three billion people worldwide. So all we're
asking is how many are willing to sign a petition asking the government to acknowledge
this truth and obviously start revealing information about it. The link is on a
number of websites. There is an information site for this petition in disclosurepetition dot
info, where you can see media coverage, you can get links for your
website banners rather where you can see the short link to the petition right which
is wh dot gov forward slash, G, capital k C last two letters,
ksere or capitalize. Or you can simply Google disclosure petition and it comes
right up to the top. I think the short link is number two.
Or you can go to the White House whit house dot go. Simply go
to the petitionary where the people look for it, register and sign it.
So when order register, what you do is you have to give an email
address and you have to give them a little other information. Uh the zip
code is is optional and they will publish your signature as first name and last
initial, which is a compromise it I would prefer both names, but they're
going with the first name last initial. They send to a password by the
way, and then you use that to sign it. You have to register
with the site side hand and you can sign a petitions you want, so
We're trying to spread that link U, and it is getting spread around,
and there is some media coverage. I've been interviewed by the Wall Street Journal
waiting on that article. There's been articles in the Huntington Post who wrote one
of them yourself. Hopefully we will see this link spread and we can get
this number up. I would certainly like to see it past twenty thousands,
which is definitely doable by the end of the month. This is where my
interest really lies getting that signature count up. So this issue has a very
respectable showing relative to the other petitions on that White House website, and then
we'll see where we'll go from there. Cool. So some of the questions
about the White House, just from what you know or from what you've been
able to gather, do you know if Obama is aware of the issue,
if he at least in any sort of official capacity. Oh, Obama is
aware of the issue, my lord. You can't hardly pick up the news
or on a web even on news networks and so forth. The issue comes
up, and he's well aware and it needs the issue. But whether or
not he's been given a briefing, that don't know what his personal view is
We don't know. But the issue, of course is out there. It's
been out there a long time and it's getting harder and harder to blow it
off. So it's going to be grand to see what the bomb administration does.
But the reason for doing this is not that ogie the Oboma administration is
going to read that petition to go well, I guess you'd better disclosed.
The reason for doing this is showing this issue. It's getting the awareness and
increasing the awareness, getting media covered. Also, it's very notable to keep
in mind if the White House website, it is not just a website.
It is the website for the most powerful nation in the world. It gets
tens of millions of visitors every month. Anybody can go there, including members
of the military, intelligence conflict, even the ones operating in the deedless popify
zones, other heads of state. Anybody can go to that website and obviously
they can see that petition and so it's being read. It's not signed by
people from all over the world. It's the significant So the petition is a
message not just the administration but to the world itself. Right, is real
and it's not going to go away, and it will be dealt with.
You cannot continue to die a million pound elephants in the realm indefinitely. At
some point you're going to have to acknowledge it, because that's very much what
this petition is about. Yeah, And the reason I asked that because I
think it's interesting in that the intention, of course of the White House opening
up the site was to get an idea of what Americans are thinking about,
what they think is important, what they want the White House to do,
take take action on, or to speak about. And so it's not like
it would be certainly this ingenuous for them to shy away from anything that is
a popular issue such as yours. On the site, it's complicated, it's
not exactly clear what the White House motivations are, and they are gathering a
lot of emails addresses which could be politically useful. But the fact is that
they have not significantly promoted this. There have been few or there have been
articles. If you google White House petitions, you will see articles about it,
but the President has never mentioned it and no ads have been taken out.
So it's like they're deliberately under promoting it. And I can assure you
if the President were to mention this in the press conference, the number of
petitions would probably go from one hundred and ninety to one thousand, right,
and the number of seatures would lead ten, fifteen, twenty four. They
haven't done it, and that's interesting. So as a result, when you
look at the petitions, there are many many issues that are not represented there
that you would expect to be represented. Now. Not surprisingly, two of
the two most represented issues are marijuana reform, marijuana law reform and gun issues.
Not surprising there the most that the issue with the most petitions is,
in fact the reform of marijuana laws. I think there are twelve petitions out
of whatnoty two. Of course, nobody's surprised. There's a great interest in
that. Nobody surprised, huge satisfaction with the war on drugs, which is
an American catastrophe, so that it doesn't really that's not going to surprise anybody
administration. The disclosure petition is another matter. Now, there is one possibility
here which is remote. I don't know how likely it is, but it's
worth mentioning, and that is the the White House when it comes to certain
issues, the top politicians like the President and so forth, even senators for
instance, if they were to proactively speak to an issue, it would immediately
a very controversial issue. We would immediately draw a lot of attention and would
attract a lot of attention and people the media would be coming at them and
why are you talking about this? Why aren't you bringing this up? Do
you think this is true? And so forth, And which is one of
the reasons why they don't do that very much. Right, they talk out
of both sides of their mouth. They avoid the controversial stuff. They stick
the talking point and the usual stuff. But one of the aspects of this
process, particularly if it grows and they and they promote it a little bit
or being really get some serious signature council, is that, well, if
someone puts up a petition, say for disclosure, and it gets twenty thousand
signatures, and you've agreed in advance without knowing what the issues are going to
be, that you're going to formally respond, essentially your response to that issue
is not proactive, but rather you're simply honoring the agreement that you made when
you set up the initiative. And so in a way, it gives the
administration license to respond to an issue that normally they would not respond to because
they would not want to proactively engage it. Right, of course, this
is where the press is supposed to do their job. I mean, the
list of issues that the press should be challenging all administrations on is a very
long list, and the press just doesn't do it. I don't know what
happened to them. I don't know where the media is going. But overall,
about five to ten percent of the questions I ask are worth of damn
and the most important questions I've never asked. So the media is not doing
this job. So is it possible that the White House is using this to
draw in certain issues that will then and then have to respond to them,
thus opening up a door they otherwise would not want to open them real so
I can assure you that every word in the response to the disclosure petition will
be carefully considered. No, that makes a lot of sense that it would
be a political strategy in order to get some momentum to pet pet project.
They want to something they want to address, but they want to have an
excuse. Well, you know, the American people brought this up to the
White House, and are we the people? And that's why we're addressing this
issue. But Obama did this before when he was coming into office. He
had something set up and you participated in that as well. And that program
marijuana taking that subject in particular because it's so high the illegal legalization of marijuana.
It was very high on that one all so, and unfortunately that's one
also that has been ignored. It's really if they're asking the people what they
think is an important and they want to address these things, it is disingenuous,
unfortunately, for them to not address these things when the public is saying,
hey, this is you asked and I'm telling you, but you're ignoring
me. That was a different situation though, I mean, let's let's compare.
Yeah, that was again an effort to engage the public to be democratic,
but it was it was during the transition period after the election, the
seventy seven days between the election and the inauguration. The transition team, which
interesting enough, was led by John Sedestin, had a website called change dot
gov and as an excide of democracy, they in finding people to submit issues
that others could vote on so they could get an idea what people were interested
in or what they cared about. As Obama considered quote setting up his team
and beginning his term as president. All well and good. There were many
hundreds of issues and they got a lot of votes. There were more votes
and more issues than you're seeing right now on the petition process in the White
House website. But then they promoted it more back then, but that was
the transition period. This is three years into the administration at the beginning of
what's going to be a brutal campaign. It's going to cost a couple of
billion dollars at least for the next presidency. The president is in trouble is
if pooper ratings are low. No president has, no sitting president has ever
won a second term with ratings at this level. Of course, there's still
a lot of time, so putting this in play now is a much different
situation. And I think that's one of the reasons why they have underpromoted it
because, frankly, if they were to promote this, if he were the
president he was at just a few days ago, it simply said, you
know, the Goloso like to mention that we are initiated a petition process on
the White House website. We're seeking petitions on issues of importance of people and
people may sign them and this will and we will responding. Had he done
that, the whole thing would have exploded. So it's almost like they're now
playing their cards currently measured this this has you know, there's trial balloons going
being sent up all over the place here. I'm not ultimately sure where this
is going to go right now. As you know, there's a lot of
turmoil. There are petitions out there with regarding certain issues, a hundreds of
thousands of signatures, but of course they're not on the White House website.
So we're in the early, the early stages of a lot of things.
I mean, look, there's a lot of political turmoil in America and in
the world, but I but one thing we can say is that disclosure issue
is represented. It is there. There are two petitions on that site,
amongst the one ninety two. Both are going to be responded to by the
administrations. We have put it in play, and we will continue to drive
that petition and seek as many signatures as possible. Again, if the word
would spread and people would get motivated and put some major numbers behind that disclosure
petition, I guarantee you it would become an international news story that the petition
right now with the most signatures is one of the marijuana petitions. I think
it's sisted around fifty three thousand, so we have about twenty percent of the
top petition. Now, believe me, I mean there's enough people out there
that want the marijuana laws reformed. I mean that petition could have a million
signatures. But again, not enough people know that thing has even happened on
the White House website, which is why I'm doing media. I've already done
about thirty interviews and I've brought you thirty more before the mid November. I'm
doing what I can to promote not only the disclosure petition, but this initiative
by the White House. Look, it's a good idea, but if the
people don't participate, it will have less impact. So how many people out
there want the truth about the et president? How many people are ready to
see this truth and bugle ended? Are you willing to put your first name
and last initial behind that? If so, you need to go to White
House dot go, go to we the People Register, get a password,
sign in and sign the disclosure petition, or go get the link off the
disclosurepetition dot info or at Paradigm research Group dot org. The link is turning
up all over the place, wh dot gov forwards, last G, Capital,
K, Capital, C and sign it And as the numbers grow,
I assure you there'll be more media. And as there's more media turns up,
there'll be more signatures and we may have ourselves a real strong statement.
That's the goal. It's only been approximately twenty days since the petition went up,
all right, so it's just three weeks. We have time, so
again i'd like to see people get involved. Yeah, so your primary goal
of awareness is what you're looking for something I think you've definitely achieved, which
is great and will continue to achieve. And I know this isn't your primary
goal, but I'm just out of curiosity. I was curious about your thoughts
on some of these other aspects, what if another what if scenario. Obama
took a look at this and he said, wow, this is interesting.
You know, people Americans are really into this subject. I want to find
out more. Do you think he'd be able to especially considering and do you
feel I guess the second part of this question would be that that's what Clinton
did when he was president. There's a story, of course of him telling
Webster Hubble, who is going to be the deputy Attorney general, go look
into UFOs, and he kind of even alludes to that I tried to look
into UFOs but didn't find anything. Do you think he's telling the truth?
And do you think Obama could be more successful? This is a very very
complicated question. A lot up into the Clinton administration is a huge story and
and and it's starting to get out. It'll be it'll be written up in
my book hopefully which comes out early next year. But he didn't really matter
what Clinton wanted to know or knew or wanted to know, and he did
try to learn some information. He was not going to allow me to disclosure
president. Period. Wasn't gonna happen. Uh, he was not going to
be the disclosure president. You said he was not going to allowed to be.
He was not going to be allowed to be even if he wanted to
be. Well, you know, if if the military intelligence committees that do
manage this issue are not willing to cooperate with the president, it would be
incredibly risky for the president to go forward. The president will go forward saying
there's an et presence, but in the military and toast community, you don't
back them up and won't provide him information. I mean, you're you're looking
at the potential for a massive constitutional crisis, huge you know, myth,
and we would not be good. And so what is required and what we
ultimately expect will happen is that either if Bob, disclosure needs to be initiated
by both the military intelligence community and the executive branch. Which who will move
first is hard to say. I think the military intelligence community is most likely
to move first that one way of another, some representatives of the president,
operating absolutely privately, will at some point meet with representatives of the military intelligence
management committees on the ET issue, and they will privately agree to go forward
and disclosure will take place. That's why this petition is important because it's on
the White House website. It's it's successible not just to the White House staff,
but to the CIA staff and the NFA staff and THEDIA staff and everybody
else in the classified world, as well as other foreign country. He's in
their government, government, governing people. So he's just well, look,
it's nicely positioned, you know, location, location, location, So Obama,
Obama wants to respond to this, he would and he wanted to initiate
it, what he would have to do is he would have to send some
some private uh uh queries, probably in person, and the theories as a
word, dam the military intelligence community in a very discreet way, and and
and and ask if they would engage it and talk about this. As far
as him demanding information, I don't think that works that way. And if
he probably did it, that would be interesting. But I'll say this,
whatever that his response, whatever it comes to be, is going to be
I guarantee you publicized around the world. I mean, pr to make sure
that. But I think there's going to be plenty of health there. So
if they if they if any number of things that they could say in that
response, that would open the door. And so I now that you know
then there was there's ways, I mean, you can open the door without
admitting anything, right if that was the Ibomb administration, what I would do
if I wanted to see this take place but was simply unable to unilaterally act
on it. Ah, And keep in mind, one of the key advisors
to the president is is you know but not outside government is John Podesta,
the head of his transition team. John Podesta called at least of all UFO
files twice two thousand two, two thousand and three. Right, he is.
He supports the co Listen for Freedom of Information, which is in fact
an organization created to quote advanced to disclose your process. So what I would
do is I would respond in such a way that the door would open for
the media to come through. Words just give them just enough of an opening
that they would go, hello, what and they would come through, and
then the media would suddenly start asking tough questions and the administration would, I
guess, be put into a corner where they have to discuss it. And
at that point things could go very very quickly. So this is a possibility.
On the other hand, they may just blow it off. They may
come back with some basic response other than I am not aware. We're not
aware that there's any true to any of this information, and therefore we see
no basis to engage it. Now. That could also be interesting, because
I can assure you that the public response worldwide to that is not going to
be favorable, and it's going to track a lot of attention. Well,
they've continue to do that, though, and that has not really had enoughfect.
The Air Force continues to say that CIA. They all have websites where
they say that, and really nobody's except for people like us, nobody's really
paid attention or tried to call attention to it. Well, it's one thing
for the Air Force to release a standard response that are saying we do not
investigate this phenomena, and whatever this phenomena is does not pose a risk to
the American people. It's another thing for the President of the United States the
executive branch to respond and make statement on the issue. That's a whole different
matter that is going to be worldwide news. All right. Well, Kit
made that statement twice. I mean there's a couple of times where he said
I looked into it, I found out that there was nothing to it.
Each time had the caveat that usually jokingly that maybe they're keeping even secrets from
me. But I mean he did say I didn't find anything to any of
this. That's not my recollection, Alejandro, and I'm paying pretty close attention
here. Clinton never said that. He said that twice. He said that
to the Air Force. He said it both out of the country, actually,
but he said it in Hong Kong. The video that I had with
your with your story on the Huffington Post and then go ahead, I'll have
to review the Hong Kong video in the Ireland statement. That was a very
interesting line which he didn't have to say at all, but he indicated in
a response to a query from a child that had asked him about Roswell,
he said, well, I don't know if there's anything at Roswell, but
I'd sure like to find out. As far as the Hong Kong statement on
releases, but many of these are formal statements by the White House. They're
almost toss off and allegedly according to Stephen and I can't verify this. Sarah
McClinton told him that Clinton told her that he would like to know about it,
but he can't get the information. I can't. I can't verify that
I knew, and I knew her fairly well, that's a quite formal response
from the President. This is going to be a formal response to the petition
by the White House that will be sent out to every person that has signed
the petitioner, as well as the court. Me right, and that and
by the way, and this is twenty eleven, it had nineteen ninety three,
right, just twenty years later, in the last ten years, over
a dozen countries have released tens upon tens of thousands of UFO files, some
classified, mostly not, into the public domain, and those those files have
been downloaded tens of millions of times around the world. Witnesses have come forward,
there have been major press conference. This is a different time. So
all I can say is, whatever this response is, I assure you that
PRG is going to do everything it can to make sure that many people responsible
know what this response is and to respond accordingly. And if it's a real
blow off, then what I mean may do is is start up another position
on the law on the way to people based upon that response, making slightly
different demands, and go out and try to get even more signatures. I
mean, they've opened up the door here. Now they can close it at
any time. But if they're going to open up the door and you're an
advocate and the issue is what it is, well this one is you're going
to go through that door to everything you can and that's what PRG is doing.
Yeah, that's great that you're taking advantage of that too, and that
you know there's someone like you there to keep an eye on that. But
you did say something that I thought was pretty shocking. Earlier, you said
that you felt that the military intelligence community, right, which seems to be
the people that really are holding the key to the information, and they decide
whether it gets out or not, be regardless of what any president wants.
But what makes you think they would have any reason or will to put the
information out? I think you said that you think that they would move and
they would release information before the president. Given keeping in mind that we're talking
about people that operate in extreme secrecy. There has been a consensus amongst a
number of the activists and some the researchers for a while, going back to
late nineteen nineties two thousand, that the consensus inside is probably in favor now
of going forward with disclosure. But it's a consensus, yeah, the words
just a slight majority. That there's still going to be people that are opposed
to it. And why would that be, Well, it's my jock,
you but those shots some people, the people that that run and work in
the national security realms are basically good American citizens. They're not evil, they're
not Illuminati, they're not Satanists, They're they're military officers, they're intelligence officers.
Uh, they're they're under de classification, they're they're they're they're paid well,
but not extraordinarily well. I can assure you they're a hell of a
lot more honest than most of the politicians of the country right now. And
their job is this is to protect the national security and defend the constitution,
and that's and that's what they do. Uh. And I believe that they
certainly in the last ten years, have come to understand that they continuance of
this truth embargo is in fact not in the national securities interests, that it
is dvanmaging the social contract and helping to see the massive distrust which is growing
day by day in America toward government by the people. And of course the
polls show this. The numbers are rather phenomenal. It's amazing the country's hanging
together. And so I think that given the right circumstances, possibly with the
assistance of media, that this thing comes out and they make a move.
But because they control the information, because they have the evidence, and by
and mark, the presidents can't get at that information, they pretty much call
the shots. Now that in and of itself is something that the American people
need to look at real seriously, are they comfortable with this idea of having
a massive national security secret world that controls huge amounts of information that the Congress
and the President don't know about and are therefore able to quote decide what it's
told and what doesn't and maybe even what policies take place based upon their control
of the secret information. Is this what we want? Is this the government
we want? I think most people don't want that, but they don't know
enough to realize that that's exactly what they've got. Now, again, that
doesn't mean that the people that control the information are criminals or evil or anything
else. They are operating in a system that they didn't necessarily create. It
involved since nineteen forty five, primarily in response to the Soviet threat and secondarily
in response to the et presence, and they created and what was created was
what I call the Secret Empire, the largest secret complex in history, bast
in its scope, fast in its funding, and co increasingly removed from political
oversights. So but then I said, create even people working in and now,
but that's what we have now that that needs to be reformed, I'm
pretty sure. But when that reform takes place, I don't know. I
think disclosure. The act of disclosure is the best path to eventually reforming this
vast secret conflict so that it's more in line with our democratic principles in our
founding constitution. But these are huge issues. But the consequences, let me
tell you, of not dealing with these issues, are potentially great. Uh.
This is not trivial stuff, right, and not talking about you know,
land use rights in Wyoming or whether we should drill offshore or not drill
offshore. We're talking about a vast secret empire that has been created and now
spend huge sums of money and operates without oversight and the form of policy do
with whole the acknowledgement of an extraterustrial presence engaging in our planet. This is
huge stock. It's so big. Yeah, for the number of people I
can't see, it's too big to see. Yeah. I agree that that's
one of the huge issues we have going on right now. People aren't addressing.
Washington posted a big write up, but it doesn't really seem to be
catching on. Is this secrecy out of control? And you talked about how
these people are good people, and I totally Although that might not be a
popular opinion in this build. You know, I think you're right. These
are just normal people like you and I doing a job and working in this
world of this secrecy out of control with the other side though, and the
other possible reasons for secrecy. You had talked earlier about abduction and people having
interactions with extra treasure girls. Do you believe in this scenario of the fear
of releasing the information because it's too scary, that there's possibly malevolent force that
and they don't want people to know about that this scary situation. Well,
first of all, millions, tens of millions of people know about this situation,
right, But there's a movie huge and different and have opinions as to
whether it's an evasion by malevolent people or or if it's uh, these oversight
by these wiser beings there. There's of course a wide variety of opinion that
way. Well, but your original point was that there is conductions going on,
there's contact going on, and without getting into motives and parsing that uh,
that that's a scary thing and they don't want to talk about it.
Well, and again, huge millions of people, more millions of people every
year more makes people come to understand that there is contact going on. I
mean, books have been writ about it, movies have been done about it.
Uh, it's hard. It's hardly a secret anymore. So we already
know that, and if dust, the stories in many cases are unsettling.
So basically what we have here is the people know, the government denies,
so it just makes it that much more frightening. So the idea that,
oh, we can't tell the people what they already know because they'll get scared,
now that's silly in terms of malevolence. Look, I use this analogy.
The Germans are massing huge numbers of tanks on the French border, right,
and tens of thousands of troops. The French government learns about this,
but makes the decision not to inform the French people because they're pretty convinced that
the Germans intentions from a level, and so they just let the French people
go about their business and then one day the tanks roll in. That's kind
of the scenario that's being suggested, that it's the EP's intentions are bad,
better not tell anybody, so we can all just go about our lives until
they all show up one day and start hurting us into pens to be fed
to their pet dog. Ridiculous. I will make the case it would be
happy to make it to any sociology professor at Harvard if they would even deem
to have me on campus, But of course they don't want me one hundred
miles from that campus. They were incredibly relieved when John Mack was killed by
an automobile in London, and one day they're going to pay for their arrogance.
Nevertheless, I would make the case that if in fact there is malevel
and ten upon these next interrestrials, that is the number one reason why every
nation in the world should acknowledge that presence to all seven billion of us,
so we can decide together what we're going to do about it and take that
burden off the backs of the few select individuals who are carrying that burden in
the national security structures. We take it to bed every night, right knowing,
oh my God, that e d's are coming, and only I know
about it because we can't tell anybody else. That's nonsense. And so it's
time for the government to realize that they serve us, we don't serve them.
They work for us, we don't work for them, and anything that
concerns our well being is our uh is our right to know, and that
the sooner they tell us, the better. And that's the case I'd be
happy to make. If somebody in government wants to step forward to make the
counter case, well, we can't tell you about the trust the presence,
because we do think it would cause the problem. I'd be happy to have
that debate. But they're never going to do that. They're never even going
to admit there's something that they can't tell. So the whole thing is contaned.
In other words, el Jandro is a self driving, a perpetuating process
of secrecy and denial that leads nowhere right, And so they're trapped in their
own Crucian bargo and they can't get out. So we need to reach in
with a healthy hands and pull them out. Now, do you think that
the scenario may exist? Some people like Nick Pope and John Alexander kind of
are in this area that they believe that a large part of the reason of
the secrecy is that they don't know and they don't want to admit that.
You know, we've got these things flying around in these people here, and
we don't know what the heck they're doing. Do you believe that they possibly
could be in the state of confusion themselves? Not for one milliseconds. We
know what the citizen scientists movement has been able to determine with no money whatsoever.
I mean a total amount of money that has been spent on euthology since
forty seven. We're probably not even played the long care bills of your typical
movie star. But given what we have been able to ascertain without government support,
with actual government intervention over sixty years. And then consider the government which
has had over those sixty years trullions of dollars of funding. The Air Force
is a navy, satellite systems, radar systems, they advanced communications technicism.
We don't even know about huge resources, underground basis, underground facilities, and
the idea that bold they know even less than we know is utterly absurd,
Not to mention the fact that we have documents that indicate they know. We
also have witnesses to come forward to indicate they know. And so if someone
wants to say, oh, the government figured out whether it might be ets
in nineteen forty seven, but too complicated for them, and so they haven't
done a single bout it since then and just left it people to do it.
Well, they stay completely ignorant. It's ridiculous. So I said,
I'll buy that for one second. And I know if John and I,
Alexander and I can debate again, we'll all be happy to discuss that with
him. Gotcha. And yeah, although with even these the people in the
public, civilian scientists like you're talking about, of course, there's a large
amount of ideas and opinions, huge the gamut is from one end to the
other on what may be going on, So it's hard to say anybody's necessarily
figured much out. But except for that, there is some sort of visitation.
I wouldn't count on that. Yeah, there's plenty of evidence for crash
vehicles, numbers of crashes. Roswell was a crash vehicle, They had bodies,
evidence for living bodies. So I think it's quite likely the government has
had access to crash vehicles for sixty years and possibly living extra drust Gee moving,
yeah, moving on that. If you want me to tell we're gonna
put my money, I'll put my last die down and I'll give away one
hundred to one odds that the government knows more about this issue than we do.
Yeah, uh, moving on, No, Yeah, I just wanted
to ask all this gamut of questions just to get your idea on some of
these things. But getting back to kind of what you've been working on.
Exopolitics has been really popular, especially around the world. I mean, there's
lots of these exopolitics groups popping up. We've had a couple write articles for
the magazine What is exopolitics to you? There are kind of a few different
definitions out there. What is it to you? And what do you see
since you're out there among these countries, the appeal and what they're looking for
in exopolitics. Exopolitics is same as exopolitical science. It is the political and
kind of social and complications of this issue and all its manifestations past, president
future. What's important about the concept is it's a new language deliberately created in
order to describe a new situation. Wow, we're not so much interested in
the science of the ful phenomena. Others are, and they've done a lot.
We're sitting a political ramifications government actions and involvements, future government policies and
so forth. We're truk In other words, we're seeking a political resolution so
consequently we need language appropriate to that. So exopolitics is a term designed to
reflect the political engagement of this issue and the disclosure movement. The disclosure movement
is simply one part of exopology is not so much a day. The disclosure
movement is exopolitical. That's another way to look at it. The reason it's
gaining popularity is because people have figured out that the science, the citizens science
effort, could not resolve the issue. If the government is going to refuse
to acknowledge it, if the government's going to withhold what it knows, if
it's going to deny there's anything there, then the citizen science effort is hampered
to the point of not being able to resolve the issue. And so consequently
we've got to move to the political area. So for a lot of people,
they see an exo partics of the disclosure movement, a real possibility of
finally resolving this issue, at least at the formal to the initial level,
which is the acknowledgement of the presence. Once that's done, all doors open
up and anything happened, and a lot will happen. So exopolitics reflects or
presents to people a real possibility of actually resolving this issue in their lifetime,
and so naturally they're excited about it, and they should be excited about it.
That's not to say that the science and euthology what are you going to
call it, is not important and it continues to go on. It will
go on. That's fine, and I'm not saying that you stop that.
I'm simply saying that it's not enough. We have to, you know,
resolve this political policy, which is what everything the Paradigm Research Group does,
whether it's the Disclosure petition, whether it's the ex conference, whether it's the
million facs in Washington, everything it does, it's designed to achieve one goal,
and that is disclosure. And another project which is underway right now that
I definitely want to mention is World Disclosure Day. Now. World Disclosure Day
is another referendum underway. It gives people a chance to sign to their interests
here. Now it's not an official government thing, but it is in fact
a project at PRG. World Disclosure Day dot org is prg's effort to get
July d eight acknowledged by the public, not by the government, as the
day of the year to address the issue, to speak to it to old
events and conferences and whatever, just like Earth Day. But what's important is
that the way it's set up is that people can go and endorse it.
We're trying to get people in organizations to endorse this concept, just like Earth
Day. As we get more endorsements, we'll get more media coverage and this
will develop. So these endorsements are are listed on the World Disclosed Day dot
org website. Now we're up to forty six hundred endorsements by people and organizations
of World Disclosure Day, and that number is going to continue to increase.
So there is another opportunity for people to vote now. And in that case,
we're posting both first and last name, city, state, so it's
a strong, strong signature. Right We're not posting an address, we're not
posting an email address, but we're posting first and last name. So right
now, PRG is encouraging people to sign a disclosure petition, sign or endorse
rather their World Disclosure Day and share both links with as many people as they
can on their Facebook, MySpace, Twitter accounts, and on their email list
and see if we can garnish more and more sign support to this issue and
that will help PRG, generate more media, coverag and everybody can find out
about everything you're doing here at the Paradigmresearchgroup dot org. Correct, YESMB,
all right, great because we are out of time. Of course, that
flew like I knew it would, and it feels like it was a couple
of minutes, but it's already been an hour. Thanks Alejandro. Want to
mention that I will be speaking in Louisville, Kentucky at the the Faculous Conference.
You can see the link on my sites or google it. That's December
sixteenth through eighteen and could be an important event. So I'll look forward to
seeing people in Louisville. And also there's some more movies coming out. More
Eten movies are on the way. It never stops. There's new books being
published. I certainly encourage people to read ad After Disclosure by Richard Dolan and
Bryce label On. My book hopefully will be coming out early next year.
If I can sit down, funk and stuff in one place and write it
cool, I bet a lot of people are looking forward to it. Thanks
all right, great, Thank you so much for being on the show,
and remember people Paradigm Research Group dot org. All right, thanks, good
luck, with the petition. We'll be keeping a very close eye on it,
that's for sure. Thank you. Welcome all right, hopefully you could
hear okay. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get Steve to turn off that dang
speaker phone, so this sound wasn't as good as I had hoped, but
hopefully you still heard everything. Okay. We are completely out of time,
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