WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.240 --> 00:00:10.599 Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro Rojas. Open Minds Radio is a UFO 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:16.399 news authority presenting evidence and the latest news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your 3 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:32.759 host, Alejandro Roja. It's like those guys go UFO. This is Open 4 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:38.719 Minds Radio, your UFO news authority, and you I am Alejandro Rojas. 5 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:45.159 And today we have another wonderful show. It's going to be great and a 6 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:51.920 fun time for everyone shall be had. We have Steve Bassett on from PRG, 7 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:57.000 the Paradigm Research Group, and many of you are aware of this gentleman, 8 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.200 and we talked about him last week because there is the White House petition 9 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:07.439 that he had opened up on the We Are the People website where the White 10 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:14.319 House has put up this site so you can go put up your own petitions 11 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.560 there and if you get enough people to sign your petition, then the White 12 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:23.239 House is supposed to respond you. The limit used to be five thousand, 13 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.959 where you had to get five thousand signatures. And luckily for the petition people, 14 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.480 it doesn't have to be someone in the country, which is interesting because 15 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:37.040 it's our country and otherwise the French, for example, we could have some 16 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.760 sort of revolution the Asians, because there's a lot of those guys out there. 17 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:47.040 They could say they put up a petition saying, close down your government 18 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:52.840 and give all of your power to China, and then have all the Chinese 19 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:57.560 people sign it, and you've got like five billion people signing this petition, 20 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.760 and the White House is going to be like, oh, no, we 21 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.640 have to close down and give our power to China. So I don't know 22 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.079 if that's a good idea. They should probably just take us signatures, but 23 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:09.039 they take them from all over the world, which also has helped Steve Bassett 24 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:15.400 because, as people may know, the exopolitics movement is all over the world 25 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:20.199 and Steve Bassett is going all over the world doing talks about exopolitics, and 26 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.520 he's going to be talking with us later today about his petition, which asked 27 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:30.639 the White House to acknowledge that we're talking with extraterrestrials and that they're here and 28 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:37.599 we're down with et Ett and so that's what his petition's about. So we're 29 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:39.919 talking to him about that. I've written about it on Huffington Post, on 30 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:44.360 on our website and stuff like that. We talked about it last week and 31 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:50.439 some of the controversy because can the president even know if the White House wanted 32 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.039 to know, you know, and they went over, hello, you know, 33 00:02:54.199 --> 00:03:00.680 military intelligence people we wanted to know about UFOs, they'll probably get the 34 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:07.680 door slaming in their face. And possibly Clinton and President Carter had this happen 35 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.120 to them, the doors slam in their face. You don't have a need 36 00:03:09.199 --> 00:03:10.960 to know, and they were told to get the hell out of here, 37 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:15.319 So that could happen to Obama in the White House even if they decide to 38 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:21.879 genuinely go pursue this subject that Stephen Bassett has put for us. But Bassett 39 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.840 and I will talk about Robert Salas, who put one forth that just talks 40 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:30.000 about UFOs, doesn't go the whole extraterrestrial route. So that's what we're going 41 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:36.120 to be talking about on the radio show in our interview a little later. 42 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.919 However, most of you probably want to hear the UFO News because you like 43 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:47.240 I love our UFO News correspondent, Jason McClellan, who's here every week to 44 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:53.520 talk news with us and people. You're lucky because he's here again today. 45 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:59.639 So Hello, Jason, give us some news, baby for reading Zalejandro, 46 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:04.159 and hello everybody. I am happy to give you more UFO news. This 47 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:11.199 is your open Mind's news brief for Monday, October seventeenth, twenty eleven. 48 00:04:11.879 --> 00:04:18.000 Well, a man photographed a UFO somewhere beyond the scene. It was actually 49 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.360 over the sea. But at least when I sing, I don't sing during 50 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:25.240 the show. I should, though, maybe we should make the show a 51 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.639 musical. You used to sing a lot during the show, it happened lately, 52 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.519 and he used to do a lot of phone dialing music as well. 53 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:33.720 We're gonna have to use the phone dialing. Oh, that's right, phone 54 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:39.399 dialing music. But back to the story. A man photographed to UFO over 55 00:04:39.439 --> 00:04:43.920 the sea while on vacation near Saint Austell, Cornwall, in England, on 56 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.800 October first, twenty eleven. The man was taking a leisurely stroll when he 57 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:51.399 decided to snap a photo of the picturesque seascape. The photographer didn't notice anything 58 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.959 unusual at the time, but when he returned home and uploaded his vacation photos 59 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:59.240 from his camera to his computer, he noticed the UFO over the sea. 60 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:03.040 The object in the photo was blurry, and this makes sense because the object 61 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.800 not seen by the photographer when he was taking a picture would most likely have 62 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:11.639 been moving very quickly for him not to notice it, but at initial glance, 63 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.199 the UFO appears to be disc or saucer shaped. According to The Daily 64 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.600 Mail, this UFO photograph was unveiled at the Cornwall UFO Research Group conference. 65 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:25.600 In describing the photograph, the group's founder, Dave Gillham pointed out that there 66 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.720 appeared to be two trails of water beneath the object, which look as though 67 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.519 they are falling from it to the sea. He offered the possible explanation it 68 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:39.800 could be that the object had just emerged from the sea. The Daily Mail 69 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.560 reports that a spokesman from the nearby Royal Navy Air Base conferend that no military 70 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:47.399 aircraft were in the area at the time, but The Metro points out there 71 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:54.720 could be a much simpler explanation. A seagull and when you look at the 72 00:05:54.720 --> 00:06:00.480 photo again you can totally make out the seagull. And apparently some have tested 73 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:04.800 that this UFO is a seagull in flight and those two trails beneath the bird 74 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:12.319 are nothing more than doodoo and they're white. They are white, and anybody 75 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:16.920 familiar with signal seagulls or other birds is familiar with the white Otherwise it could 76 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:25.759 be like an spaceship dropping like Space Invaders, you know, those little wine 77 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.199 bomb things that they dropped on you. Because it's they're little white lines. 78 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.160 You can see the similarity shoe. If you look at the picture, you 79 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:36.879 could you could see that there's white lines Space Invaders. But it's a seagull. 80 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.920 It's a seagull. When you first look at the picture, you say, 81 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.920 wow, there's a flying saucer. It sort of looks like a saucer. 82 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:47.439 But but again, trained eye, when you look at it, you 83 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:51.399 can see the shape of the chest and yeah, yeah, definitely, And 84 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:56.279 then you look at other seagull pictures, it's definitely a seagull. And it 85 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:00.360 happens a lot with birds. And unfortunately, you know, of course when 86 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:04.160 you're taking pictures, you don't notice things flying around, birds and bugs and 87 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.920 stuff like that. So often people will oh, they get their pictures back 88 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:13.839 and the website and then you know, typically they're often not always there, 89 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.160 but often they're birds. Correct. Yeah, those dive bombing seagulls are up 90 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.600 to no good. Yeah, So the media had a lot of fun with 91 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:24.199 the whole seagull pooh UFO thing. There were a lot of headlines with Pooh 92 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:29.680 in it. Yeah, that's always fun. That's disgusting. It's fun though, 93 00:07:29.839 --> 00:07:32.319 I guess. Well. It was just two weeks ago that we reported 94 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:36.600 that a major change was made to the Roswell International UFO Museum and Research Center's 95 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:42.360 website. Now it appears that the museum has scrapped their plants for their biggest 96 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.120 change of all, which would have been a new building. Groundbreaking took place 97 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.480 two years ago on what would have been a new twenty five million dollar home 98 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:54.040 for the museum near the heart of downtown Roswell, but according to KOB Eyewitness 99 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:58.399 News for on Tuesday, October eleventh, officials from the museum announced that the 100 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.439 project has been scrapped and the two million dollars lot where the building is going 101 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:05.639 to be constructed will now be sold. The museum will reportedly stay at its 102 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:11.079 current location after securing quote not only a long term lease, but an option 103 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:16.040 to buy the property. That's according to museum representative Jack Swickard. Plans are 104 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:20.279 being developed to renovate the museum's existing building, and negotiations are reportedly underway to 105 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:26.879 perhaps purchase neighboring buildings and somehow incorporate them into the overall museum. According to 106 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:31.639 KOB Eyewitness News for an economic study shows that the museum brings in an estimated 107 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:37.679 fifty seven million dollars into the state's economy and attracts around one hundred and fifty 108 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:43.200 thousand visitors each year. Absolutely, I mean Roswell, the Roswell incident is 109 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:48.559 Roswelt's economy. I'm kind of glad in a way because of course it would 110 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.159 have been exciting for them to build this fancy new facility, and it was 111 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.279 pretty fancy. But I've been watching this and it's been years and the money 112 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:03.639 just isn't there. So I'm really excited about this because where they are is 113 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.360 kind of fun, and I mean it needs I think internally it can have 114 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:11.320 some, you know, stand some renovation, but you know it's in this 115 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:16.240 old theater and plus the front, the marquee and everything is so famous by 116 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.639 now and it's a trademark. It's great to have them where they are. 117 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:22.639 And now, what was neat about this year in Roswell is they had acquired 118 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.519 only just before the conference, which was really helpful. At least one or 119 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:33.279 two of the storefronts that were nearby in this same building therein so they were 120 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.519 able to have more speakers and some talks in these other rooms. So like 121 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.200 the Kimbler stuff, the Roswell stuff we talked about where we had the pictures 122 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:46.799 of Don Schmidt, Stan Friedman and Kevin Randall and Tom Carey all together, 123 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.840 those were in this other room. So it was a great room. And 124 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.360 she talked about how she might have the opportunity to buy more of those, 125 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.159 and if she could buy this whole building, which is this whole block in 126 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:03.879 Roswell, that would be awesome because then they can, you know, focus 127 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.879 that money will go a lot further into renovation as opposed to building a real 128 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.840 fancy, huge place. Well, don't speak too soon, because the article 129 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.840 I believe mentioned that part of their plan is if they can acquire all of 130 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.879 these other spaces next to them, then they can move forward with building their 131 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:30.039 gigantic, super nice museum like they had planned the original design. Why don't 132 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.120 they do that in the place they would tear it down and build stuff, 133 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:35.639 which I think would be a shame. But yeah, their their current location 134 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.879 looks awesome. I've never been there, but you certainly have. Yeah, 135 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:43.080 and if they can expand in there because it's always fun to have, you 136 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:48.840 know, kind of a front that is I mean, because it's maybe they 137 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:50.759 get bored with it. It looks like old town, you know, a 138 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:56.159 small town old town and the marquee of the big UFO. So it's neat 139 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.840 looking, and that's a big drop for people, like I said, are 140 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.960 urban urbs nights and stuff, because it looks neat and then when you go 141 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:05.159 inside and you can have this really cool experience. And there's a lot of 142 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.159 museums like that. Heard museum from the outside, for example, doesn't look 143 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.559 that great, which is a famous Native American museum here, but when you 144 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:16.519 go inside, it's really laid out, very nice and looks looks great. 145 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:22.600 I think the exterior appearance of the Roswell Museum is perfectly fitting. Yeah, 146 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.919 I mean you're talking about Roswell. I think your mike went out, My 147 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:31.080 mic went out. There you are, you know the Roswell incident. Talking 148 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:37.240 nineteen forty seven, That to me doesn't say fancy right exactly, because then 149 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.840 it looks more like nineteen forty seven. I feel like you're more in the 150 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.039 times of what happened, which is the whole point, because you walk in 151 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:48.480 there and you've got all of this stuff from that age, right, and 152 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:50.519 it feels like you're there and you get the sense of what it was like 153 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:54.519 to be there in nineteen forty seven. It makes sense, and hopefully this 154 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.360 is all working out for the best and they take advantage of it now that 155 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:03.240 they can get along leaves and perhaps by the building. Yep, that's excellent, 156 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:07.039 Alejandro. I'm going to talk to you about something that I've been wanting 157 00:12:07.039 --> 00:12:09.000 to talk to you about, and we've mentioned this in the past two weeks 158 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:13.639 on the show, but Live Science published an infographic a couple weeks ago on 159 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:18.159 their website showing the top ten states for UFO sidings. The National UFO Reporting 160 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.559 Center's data was used to create the infographic, and the data represents sightings from 161 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:28.200 nineteen ninety four through twenty eleven. Well, you Walejandro, compared that data 162 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:35.279 with the UFO sidings reports from moufon and you published your results complete with charts 163 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.399 on our website, oprom MYZATV and Huffington Posts and you put this together in 164 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:48.919 a really visual presentation. But you've got three different charts here showing hotspots, 165 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.519 and you broke it down explaining it, and I'd like to explain it because 166 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.559 we've got first we have that the UFO Hotspots per report, and we have 167 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.759 the top three being California, Texas, and Florida. Then you have the 168 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.799 UFO Hotspots per population and the top three there North Dakota, Arizona, and 169 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:16.440 Colorado. And then lastly we have UFO Hotspots per Alejandro and the top three 170 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:22.159 there would be Arizona, Colorado, and Oregon. We have three different top 171 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.440 threes here, So talk me through this a bit. All right, I'm 172 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:28.960 glad you asked, because I know you're someone who reads articles, but not 173 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.759 everybody does. Some people just look at the pictures, and if you're one 174 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.039 of the picture lookers, you know all you got was what Jason just described. 175 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.759 So you probably were so confused that you looked at the pictures you sat 176 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:46.080 there and and moved on. Which is great because picture lookers, unfortunately probably 177 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.559 aren't that into details anyways, because they never get them just by looking at 178 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:56.080 the pictures and not reading the text. But there's a lot of them out 179 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.159 there. So for the picture lookers, or for those of you who like 180 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:01.879 to listen to the radio show and don't get the website, but you better 181 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.159 go to the website. I'll explain this. Yeah, what I did is 182 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:09.240 what I decided to do since they did their infographic, was kind of do 183 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:15.039 my own but with MoveOn data. So the first graph I wanted to find 184 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.639 out, well, is it similar to what they got on the Life Science 185 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:24.080 with the new Fork material? And it was very similar in fact, I 186 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:28.639 put those two together and the only difference differences where for instance, Illinois is 187 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.399 a little bit lower on the Mofon list and up on the New Fork, 188 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.320 but it's still very close. It's number eleven, it's not in the top 189 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:39.240 ten, but it's very close to the top ten for MoveOn. There are 190 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:46.399 little changes like that he is in Oregon, right, Steve Davenport. Washington, 191 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.600 Oh, I think you're white Washington. So Washington, for instance, 192 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:54.720 is about fourteenth on MoveOn, but it's second on his life and I think 193 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:58.039 that's probably because more people in Washington know about him. He gets a lot 194 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:03.039 of press out there because he lives in a silo, so you know, 195 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:05.320 he gets a lot of pressure about living in a silo and running a UFO 196 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.000 thing, So people report to him probably more than move On. Whereas Colorado, 197 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:11.879 which is where Moufon is and they get more press there, more people 198 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.480 report to Moufon, So just some of those differences. Otherwise it was very 199 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.480 similar. Then I pinpointed at more to twenty eleven to see what was happening 200 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.759 there. Really it's about the same. When you look at reports overall, 201 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:31.120 how many what states are getting UFOs and it stays the same. However, 202 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:33.600 when you look at this you see a lot of the states with the highest 203 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:39.919 populations in the top of the list. So because they have more people see 204 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:43.399 they have more sightings. So what I wanted to do was break it down 205 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.919 to, well, how many places are getting more sightings per person because that 206 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:52.159 might really indicate where the hot spots are. And that was the second craft 207 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.159 so per person. So for instance, North Dakota, they only have six 208 00:15:56.240 --> 00:16:00.519 hundred and seventy thousand or so people, and so they were getting three point 209 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:07.559 four sidings per hundred thousand person, which is the highest. However, you 210 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.639 know, we learn in stats class that if you don't have a sample size 211 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:12.159 of thirty or more than it, you should probably throw it out. And 212 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:17.399 because they only have twenty three reports as opposed to a California with like three 213 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:21.600 hundred plus reports that data is probably not as accurate as to whether or not 214 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.519 they may be a hotspot or not, because of course one siding can throw 215 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.200 that off right so huge. And you know, it's very very cool seeing 216 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.559 you do this with the population taking that into consideration, because you did bring 217 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:37.159 up states that weren't recognized before, like North Dakota and Alaska. It wasn't 218 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:41.360 Alaska number four on that one. Yeah, and that's crazy, but yeah, 219 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:45.039 go go ahead with your next one. And Alaska only had seventeen. 220 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.000 Wyoming had thirteen. They came to the top because they don't have much of 221 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.960 a population. So if they take, for instance, if Wyoming would have 222 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:56.279 had two less, they would have dropped a lot further. So I took 223 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.720 all those that had thirty or less out to figure out, Okay, what 224 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:03.879 are most likely the hotspots, and what rose to the top was Arizona, 225 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:10.079 Colorado, Oregon, Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky, Nevada, Kansas, Michigan, 226 00:17:10.119 --> 00:17:12.519 and Connecticut, which is pretty interesting. I think a couple of the 227 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:17.960 interesting things are I think you can really pinpoint these states more likely as a 228 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:25.079 hotspot because this is per population and these are places that have a fair amountal 229 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:29.119 reports. And I found this before when I looked at this data a couple 230 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.640 years ago, that it was very similar to this, so very interesting. 231 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.079 Of course, I've been in Arizona and Colorado. We talked about that, 232 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.799 I think last week, so that was kind of funny. But it was 233 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:47.279 also kind of funny because I received a message from my buddy Chuck Zukowski, 234 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:51.640 who's been on the show before, and his sister is the state director for 235 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.160 Moufon in Missouri, and he was looking at information she had and he had, 236 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.799 and he saw that there's a lot of sidings between Colorado in Missouri, 237 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:07.000 and he saw that also some cattle mutilation reports that he's investigated in Colorado. 238 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:12.680 We're all along the thirty seven degree line latitude line, so and my map 239 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:17.559 kind of correlated with what he saw. So that was kind of interesting too. 240 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:22.400 But I think here you can really have the hotspots for what it's worth. 241 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:26.440 Interesting enough, though Colorado or I mean California and New York. Some 242 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.119 of the places, of course with the highest populations that work towards the top 243 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:34.920 really drop down when you go per population. The hard part is of California 244 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:40.839 so big. I think New York, we really don't have as many sightings 245 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:45.279 per person, so it's not maybe a hot spot California. If we could 246 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:49.599 regionalize California by South California, North California, maybe made California, we may 247 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:55.279 find some part of California is a hot spot, but unfortunately we can't do 248 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.480 that, so California and even Texas drop off. But yeah, it's really 249 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.079 interesting that right in the heart of the country we have something. Now, 250 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:08.519 the other problem is there are so few reports that for every UFO siding that 251 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:14.400 someone actually goes and finds move On or Newfork, which isn't you know, 252 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.759 if you go to the website and put in UFO siding, you may be 253 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:22.759 able to find something. But someone has to be pretty they have to have 254 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.920 a reason to do that. And a lot of people see something and they 255 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.839 tell their buddies. Maybe they even go to the media first before they try 256 00:19:29.839 --> 00:19:34.559 to go look for a reporting center. So most sightings probably don't go reported 257 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:38.200 to move On or Newpork or even the media. So that kind of throws 258 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:44.480 a kitchen all of the data too. So are these really more UFOs in 259 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:48.000 Arizona and Colorado and Kansas and Missouri and Kentucky and Indiana than there are in 260 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:53.480 the rest of the country. It's hard to say, but at least there 261 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:59.359 seems to be a trend of more reports per person in those areas. Well. 262 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.400 Enjoyed looking at your charts and I did read your article pretty colors about 263 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.640 it. But thank you so much for putting that together. I know that 264 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.920 was a lot of work. You spent a whole fun time. It's important, 265 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.799 I mean, move on. There's a lot of people out there and 266 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.400 they're getting data and getting information, and you know, they've got the great 267 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:22.839 database. Same with new Fork. It's a lot of hard work to get 268 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.240 this information and this data, and this is what it was for to try 269 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.400 to put it together, figure out the trend, to see what's going on 270 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.160 with these reports. Well, good job, thanks you know the news. 271 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.400 Residents in Shanghai, China, will bewildered by a multi multi colored UFO in 272 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.640 the night sky on Monday, October tenth, which was last week. According 273 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:48.240 to a television station, witness stated, I feel curious about the object. 274 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.319 I don't know what it is. It can't move like a plane and can 275 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:56.680 change colors into green and red alternatively. But the UFOs were later identified as 276 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.920 large kites equipped with hundreds of colored LED lights. Did you watch the video 277 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.680 of it? Yeah, you're kind of crazy. I'm glad that this was 278 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:06.359 a news report that showed it at the end, because when you watch in 279 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.160 the sky, it's just kind of amazing to see because all you see are 280 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:14.359 these LED is changing color and kind of pulsing downward. It looks really cool. 281 00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:17.119 It looks super cool. But on the ground you see it's just triangle 282 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:21.119 kite and have this round set of lights in the middle. Looks crazy. 283 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:22.759 From the sky. Yeah, it's really fun. And if you knew how 284 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.880 to do Like Chuck, he knows how to He's got a computer program where 285 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.319 he can put lights together and do weird stuff like that. A lot of 286 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:36.319 people are doing that. That's becoming pretty normal now. Love using their you 287 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:41.480 know, remote controlled airplanes, kites, things like that, but really adorning 288 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.680 them with these LED lights that you can program and flying them at night is 289 00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:48.680 really becoming popular. It's fun. Of course, it throws another wrench in 290 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.759 our system here when we're trying to look for UFO reports, but that's just 291 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.640 what you do with when technology improves. I guess. Yeah. Well, 292 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:03.680 in other news, a photographer in Milan, Italy, recently captured multiple mysterious 293 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.839 UFOs on camera, according to Mexican journalist and TV personality Jim Mossan. On 294 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.599 Monday September nineteenth, Antonio Uzi was taking some test shots with the camera and 295 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:15.440 a telephoto lens when he noticed a strange object in the sky. According to 296 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.079 Erzi, the object appeared to be a flying sphere, but with his telephoto 297 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:23.319 lens he was able to see much more detail. The series of eleven photographs 298 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.319 shows the saucer shaped craft with a sphere shaped objects centered on the bottom of 299 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:33.240 the craft and three smaller sphere shaped objects around the larger sphere. This object 300 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.359 strongly resembles a well known UFO photograph by Georgia Damski that was taken in nineteen 301 00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:42.519 fifty two. The sequence of photos also shows smaller, independent sphere shaped objects 302 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:47.480 accompanying the larger object. Some of the photos show only one of these spheres 303 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:51.480 moving around the larger craft, while other photos show at least two small spheres 304 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:53.759 in the sky at the same time as the larger craft. Erzi claims that 305 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:57.839 after snapping the eleven photos, his camera stopped working, and then the UFO 306 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:07.240 and the spheres disappeared and the photos were analyzed briefly by somebody who works with 307 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.599 Orzy, and he said he couldn't find any sign that the photos had been 308 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:15.920 tampered with or brought into photoshop or anything. Orzi. If you're familiar with 309 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:21.400 them, he's taken hundreds thousands, according to some people, of photos and 310 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:23.839 videos of UFOs in Italy but also around the globe, and he claims to 311 00:23:23.839 --> 00:23:30.960 be followed by UFOs. Photos and videos are highly controversial as well as Theodanski 312 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.799 photos are if you're familiar with those. Yeah, it's a tough case. 313 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:37.920 I mean, we've covered it in our magazine because he's got these phenomenal pictures, 314 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.240 amazing pictures, these amazing pictures of UFOs flying over his house. Are 315 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:45.880 they really I've got a video up where I was with him and I took 316 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:51.000 this video of a UFO, but I think it was a balloon over in 317 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:56.839 Mexico. So yeah, it's just so difficult to say with these, And 318 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.319 it's of course, this one is so strange because it looks so much like 319 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:06.039 the classic Kadamski UFOs and I don't know, I can't recall seeing that anytime, 320 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.240 not recently, Yeah, it's been There were other people other than a 321 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:15.160 dam Ski. We took those pictures though, but that was during the time, 322 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:18.839 typically during the time that he was see and that Sadanski like UFO looks 323 00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:23.279 similar to the other crafts that he's photographed in this detail just seems to have 324 00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:27.359 additional orbs at the bottom of the craft. Yeah, so kind of interesting. 325 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:33.079 Well, speaking of actual orbs, two or of UFOs recently recorded on 326 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:37.160 video on the sky over Missouri. The Epic Times provided this description of the 327 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.000 video. The brightly glowing objects are traveling low in the evening sky. They 328 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:45.519 fly around each other, appearing to almost collide before descending into the distance and 329 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:48.720 disappearing behind some trees. A husband and wife witnessed the glowing UFOs together, 330 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.400 and the wife recorded the incident on our iPhone. The husband then submitted the 331 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.799 report of their sighting to move on the Mutual UFO network, which included the 332 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.480 video. The video has since been uploaded to YouTube, along with the following 333 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:04.240 description from the husband that submitted it with his moof on sighting. He said, 334 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.319 my wife witnessed two gwelling orbs in the sky while she was driving down 335 00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.319 our street. She had an incredible video that she shot from her iPhone through 336 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:15.319 the windshield. The lights spun around each other then descended to the ground. 337 00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.880 They went behind some trees and out of view. She's very reluctant to share 338 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:22.279 this experience, so I'm writing this for her. Some have suggested that the 339 00:25:22.400 --> 00:25:26.200 mysterious lights in the video could be remote controlled airplanes, while others has suggested 340 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:30.559 the video is nothing more than a hoax. However, no official identification has 341 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.359 been made. Yeah, really interesting video, maybe CGI, you know what. 342 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.319 It reminded me of them, and I think it's a video that doesn't 343 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:41.200 get enough attention personally, even though it was the one that we have from 344 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.960 Las Vegas that we have on our YouTube, the one with roller coaster. 345 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.880 Yeah, roller coaster. And this is when I got from Greeley, when 346 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.440 I did a talk in Greeley, Colorado, a couple of years ago, 347 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:55.079 and some guys brought this video to me, and they were in Las Vegas 348 00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:59.640 and there's a weird white light flying over the strip where they were over by 349 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.160 New York, New York, and then it kind of zooms down and does 350 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.160 this weird stuff. And in this video you have these two lights zooming all 351 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.839 over the place. If it's real, it's I mean, it's incredible, 352 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.640 but it should be looked that closer because we saw some things that might indicate 353 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.680 it to be CG. But someone needs to take a look at that because 354 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.039 it's it's a very interesting video. Yeah, it's a great video. It 355 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.160 I definitely watched it quite a few times today, and you're right, there 356 00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:30.319 are a couple indications in there that that could be problematic. But you know, 357 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.240 it's difficult to tell. These are balls of light in the sky. 358 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.759 And we've seen so many ore videos this year, and one good thing this 359 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.720 one has where there's been problems in the past with CGI is when it flies 360 00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.200 behind trees, you can see it through the leaves once in a while, 361 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.359 right, whereas there are some other videos where that didn't happen, which was 362 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:51.640 a big vacation that it was not being light in the sky. Will say, 363 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:56.680 this is one definitely not Chinese lanterns, Yeah, not Chinese lanterns. 364 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:02.000 And this is not flight planes, no, And this is not like the 365 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.599 Red Bull Air Force the skydivers with players on their feet. You had another 366 00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:11.319 idea of possibly RC planes with LEDs. It could possibly be that's possible because 367 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:15.000 they can fly pretty crazy, but even that's kind of would be maybe a 368 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.640 little bit of a stretch because they're moving so fast and up in the air 369 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.720 and down again and again. Some of these issues with the lights and where 370 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:26.079 they're moving in front of or behind of it kind of rules out RC to 371 00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:27.480 me. But yeah, it's difficult to tell. I mean, we have 372 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.920 no idea what it is. It's a fun video to watch, so definitely 373 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:36.160 check it out. Yeah, CG or possibly a real phenomena, pretty exciting. 374 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.440 Well, all that is it for the news for today. Remember to 375 00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:42.839 check out all of these stories and many many more at openminds dot tv, 376 00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:47.240 your source for up a related news. I'm Jason McClellan, your Open Minds 377 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.039 News correspondent, and you have been briefed back to you, signor Alejandro. 378 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.000 All right, thank you, Jason. A couple other articles that I want 379 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.119 to tell you about on our website just recently, in fact, just yesterday 380 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.519 or no, this was Friday. There's one on the Mexican government and the 381 00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:11.240 twenty twelve main calendar, and Antonio Juneez has done some more research into these 382 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:17.279 claims that the Mexican government has given this documentary maker who's the son of Raoul 383 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:25.240 Julia. This data that's never seen before that claims that the Mayans were talking 384 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:30.960 to extraterrestrials and stuff. So Antonio dug in to find a lot more information 385 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:34.240 and it's a two parter and the first part was posted on Friday. So 386 00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.440 that's a very interesting story. And then, like I said, I'll be 387 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:44.480 writing some more on the reporting in that thirty seventh latitude line and if there's 388 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.799 significance there, So keep an eye on our website and hopefully I'll get on 389 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:55.839 the show Chuckszukowski and his sister Debbie Ziegelmeyer soon because she's in Missouri to talk 390 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:59.839 about the UFO videos that we and the other sightings that have been going on 391 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.920 these areas, because there's been some good ones that have gotten some news. 392 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:07.680 However, without further ado, let us go ahead and speak to our featured 393 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:18.359 guest today, mister Steve Bassett. All Right, I am very excited to 394 00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:22.799 have for the first time, actually I think, on the show, Stephen 395 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:26.559 Bassett from the Paradigm Research Project. Hello, Hi, Alejandro, it's great 396 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.359 to be with you. Yeah, great to have you on, especially at 397 00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:37.240 this time. I'm sure you're really excited about the petition, meaning the disclosure 398 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:45.920 petition. Right. Yeah, it's an interesting project that PRG launched on September 399 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:52.440 twenty second, and it's really the first time I think that we really had 400 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.119 something quite like this. Let me give your listeners the background right now. 401 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:03.200 There are petitions all over the place. There are petition websites where you go 402 00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.400 and you can sign petitions and put up positions and what have you. There 403 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:15.079 are petitions in play by organizations such as move on dot org regarding various events 404 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.680 like Occupy Wall Street. Some of them have as many as one hundred and 405 00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:25.680 eighty two hundred thousand signatures. That's possible because the organization is behind them, 406 00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:30.279 like move On, spent has spent millions of dollars developing mail lists, email 407 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:38.519 lists that are many millions in size. And to what extent these petitions impact 408 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.079 It's hard to say. They certainly bring people together, they're a focus, 409 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:48.200 but to what extent the impact government, We're not sure. What's different about 410 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:52.359 what's going on here is that the White House itself initiated a petition process on 411 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:57.920 the White House website white House dot gov, which receives many, many millions 412 00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:03.279 of visitors. A three month. I need to check to see how many, 413 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.279 but it's a big number. And this was done as part of their 414 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:17.000 open transparent government campaign Promises and change you can believe in, Promises whatever. 415 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:21.160 Trying to be more democratic. All well and good, So they initiated a 416 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:25.440 petition process in a section called We the People. The links to it are 417 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.279 running the very top page of the White House website. Now one and two 418 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.519 hundred I'm rather, I'm sorry, one hundred and ninety two petitions have been 419 00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:41.920 submitted since September the twenty second. What's different about this particular process is that 420 00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.839 the White House has stated on the site that any petitions which received a certain 421 00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:53.039 number of signatures within thirty days of their being posted will be actually formally reviewed 422 00:31:53.119 --> 00:32:01.000 by White House staff assigned to this and a formal response will be returned by 423 00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:07.920 the White House or by the appropriateities within the EMBOMA administration. More importantly, 424 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.640 all of these petitions are in fact sitting on the website. They're right there 425 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:17.799 for anyone to review anywhere in the world, and so consequently they're getting a 426 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:23.640 lot of exposure that other petitions out there in the internet in their lands might 427 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.559 not get. And then finally they did something interesting with this, Alejandro. 428 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:35.400 They are not limiting signatures to just the people in the United States or United 429 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.440 States citizens anywhere in the world can sign these petitions. Okay. So when 430 00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:45.279 p ORG learned about this in at the end of August, to realize you 431 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:52.359 had an e opportunity here to get attention, to draw attention to and focus 432 00:32:52.480 --> 00:33:00.640 on the et disclosure movement. So PRG three promoted a petition as the White 433 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.880 House requested that people do, and so within an hour of it going the 434 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.200 site going active. On September the twenty second, a disclosure petition was up 435 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:17.799 on the website where it remains. Now what is the disclosure petition? It 436 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:23.720 reads exactly as follows. We the undersigned strongly urged the President of the United 437 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:30.519 States to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presidence engaging with the human race an immediately release 438 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:37.240 into the public domain all files within government agencies and military services relevant to this 439 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:44.799 phenomenon. This is an unambiguous, straightforward statement. These not a lot of 440 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.960 run If you do not think there's an extraterrestrial presidence. If you do not 441 00:33:49.119 --> 00:33:52.599 think that fulful phenomena and other phenomena are in fact have an ep origin, 442 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:58.079 and there's no reason to sign this petition, but if you do, there's 443 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.880 a good reason to sign it. And that was designed that way. There's 444 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.119 one of a petition up there now which is similar but somewhat soft. Lay 445 00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:14.960 right. These petitions have achieved. Both petitions will achieve formal response from the 446 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:21.360 White House. Now, one question is, of course, your wording is 447 00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:25.599 much stronger. You go all the way to saying an extraterrestrial presence as opposed 448 00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:34.559 to asking for them, just to which previous initiatives have been just looking into 449 00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.239 the UFO phenomena, You go all the way to acknowledging an extra treastural president. 450 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:45.679 President, Why did you take that extra step? What? Because it's 451 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:52.880 true. The extraterrestrial presence is a fact. It's been established through sixty years 452 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:59.079 of research by a whole lot of people, their witnesses coming forward. There's 453 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:04.239 mounds of evidence. What's the fact. And every time you step back from 454 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:14.320 that past, sorry, every time you step back from that fact, you're 455 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:20.000 diminishing the activism, if you're diminishing the addicacy. It's a compromise. Now, 456 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.960 there are people that want to split hairs on this and say that well, 457 00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.599 maybe they're not from another planet, maybe they're from another dimension, or 458 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:32.800 maybe they're from the future or the past. Hey, look, and I 459 00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:38.880 think extraterrestrial will sufficiently cover all three of those possibilities. And certainly it doesn't 460 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:44.880 really matter. All three would be absolutely extraordinary and requiring full engagement by all 461 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:50.440 segments of our society. So I don't really split that hair. The extrust 462 00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.519 or presence is a fact. Millions of people know this already, and every 463 00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:59.519 year millions more come to that understanding, and so it's a very important to 464 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.039 state the fact directly and not back away from it. And that's why the 465 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:09.199 petition is reported that way. Okay, And just on some of the evidence 466 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.360 that you talked about that there is a lot of evidence has been gathered by 467 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:16.320 researchers for a period of time. What do you think is the best evident 468 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:21.199 some of the best evidence When you think of this, like if let's say, 469 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:22.280 you know, a politician was to say, well, Steve, you 470 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:27.239 know, what is this evidence that there are extraterrestrials, what would you tell 471 00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:32.679 them? Well, many years ago, thirty years ago and back in the 472 00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:40.719 eighties, J L. And Heinez, the great researcher and astronomer who left 473 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:50.199 the government program he was hired to participate in in order to quote debunk the 474 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.559 UFO issue to the American people, left it reverse his position, founded KUFOS 475 00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:59.400 Center for UFO Studies. Well, he was frequently asked this question. He 476 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.159 had a similar saying response, where do you want me to back up the 477 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:10.840 truck? It's not so much best evidence. Any single piece of evidence can 478 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:17.719 be wrong. In other words, you can commit a heinous crime, such 479 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:22.639 as say a murder, and a senator could come forward at your trial and 480 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.320 state, matter of fact, why he or she saw you do it, 481 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:30.440 and that would be pretty impressive. And yet that senator could be bold faithlined. 482 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.760 So there is you know. Any photographs can be fake, video can 483 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:42.119 be fake. It is the totality of the evidence, sixty years of accumulations 484 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:47.480 of videos and photographs and citing reports by the tens of thousands, hundreds of 485 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:53.199 thousands of people submitting written accounts, the researchers of their contact experiences from around 486 00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:59.679 the world, witnesses of high rank and station coming forward and talking about events 487 00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.400 and that they have been involved a while working for the governments. This is 488 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:09.119 a huge amount of evidence which in its totality is absolutely beyond and reasonable about 489 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:13.639 this is the way people need to think about this. They constantly look for 490 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.400 the smoking gun, and that's not the way science or the world works. 491 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.159 When you go into a trial, you're convicted on the totality of the evidence, 492 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.960 and the totality of the evidence for an extraterrestrial presence, probably from other 493 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:30.760 planets, is overwhelming, and that's the way you have to look at it. 494 00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:35.719 Now, just kind of along this name because I agree with you. 495 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:37.360 Yeah, you're right, you know, cour it's all about the totality. 496 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.599 In fact, I was just watching the show last night. I think it 497 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:46.679 was about the Arsnick, the guy who was sending the arsenic around, and 498 00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:52.400 how they tried to try someone and that they emphasize you have to look at 499 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.239 the totality of the evidence as oppost to all of these tiny pieces, which 500 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.719 is something that isn't done in this field, like you're talking about. However, 501 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.639 some time, you know, especially in science, semantics of course gets 502 00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:07.280 really important. And then when it relates to politics, and so I can 503 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:17.360 understand your definition of extraterrestrial covering some of these other possibilities, but sometimes that 504 00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:22.079 and I'm sure you ran into this. Uh, using that term can kind 505 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.440 of scare some people away, such as in the realm of science, because 506 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:35.760 it feels like coming to a conclusion before they've done the research. We would 507 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.840 you say to someone who felt that way, are you when you say using 508 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:45.639 the term are you referring using this from actual politics or extraterrestrial Well? You 509 00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:51.679 know, the point is the research has been done. Now, is it 510 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.679 all the research that have been done? Now? Uh? The government? 511 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:59.719 Is the government revealed what its research is and covered? No? Has the 512 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:04.599 governm deliberately try to undermine the efforts of citizens in this Yes? Are we 513 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:09.760 under a truth embargo designed to contain and to minimize the effects of citizens on 514 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.960 this issue? Yes? Does that make it tougher? Sure? Absolutely. 515 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:20.360 I mean it's like a trial where you're you know, you know, hey, 516 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.480 you have been indicted on the crime, and you go to trial and 517 00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:30.800 lo and behold the government, the prosecution is deliberately manipulating the evidence, undermining 518 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:37.239 your own defense in order to convict you. That's of course you legal people 519 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.199 will go to jail for that. That's called prosecutory and misconduct. So what 520 00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:47.519 we have here is a sixty year effort citizen science effort to understand and establish 521 00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:52.400 the basis for what was called the UFO phenomena, I call it extraterrestrial phenomena, 522 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.599 and the entire time the government was deliberately attempting to interfere and undermine that 523 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.400 effort, well, of course, not revealing what it knows. This is 524 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:08.400 an extraordinary situation, and so one of the reasons why even today you have 525 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:12.639 people that are saying, well, we don't really think it's been proven yet, 526 00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.920 is because they don't. First of all, and almost in every case, 527 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:22.000 they haven't really reviewed the fatality of the citizens' science evidence, and they've 528 00:41:22.039 --> 00:41:23.800 also accepted a great deal of what the governments had to say about this. 529 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:30.039 So they're simply misinformed. Now we get misinformed all the time. What's important 530 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:34.559 about this kind of misinformed is that it's coming from the government itself, which 531 00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.639 of course is not what we want. It is bad gut policy and can 532 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:45.840 lead to very awful consequences. And so the disclosure movement is a political movement. 533 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:51.280 It's not a science movement. It is first and foremost trying to recognize 534 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.719 the reality of this truth in bargo, the implications of it, and to 535 00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:01.559 present the information and issue to the public with factored in right, in other 536 00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:06.559 words, remote the publicans saying, look, this is the truth of the 537 00:42:06.599 --> 00:42:08.960 matter. The government has tried to undermine that truth. You need to understand. 538 00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:13.280 You've been as the target of that process, the truth in BARCO, 539 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.039 which has made it that much more difficult for you to get the picture. 540 00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.920 We're trying to cut outify that for you. So that's what makes it unusual. 541 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.119 Again, it's like being in a trial where the prosecution is doing everything 542 00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:29.960 it can, so I have to illegally to undermine your own case, and 543 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.480 so you have to operate on a little different basis there, which is to 544 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:37.280 say, this is now a political problem. More science should be done, 545 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:39.719 and I'm sure there plenty of science it will be done. Plus, we 546 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:44.800 need to know everything the government has learned. But right now, the reason 547 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.559 this issue is not resolved it is not because quote there isn't enough scientific evidence. 548 00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:51.719 It's because there is not There needs to be a change of policy on 549 00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.760 the part of the United States government. And I say that meaning the national 550 00:42:54.760 --> 00:43:01.039 security structures which have directed this policy and manage this issue and have for some 551 00:43:01.159 --> 00:43:06.960 time got cham now of course as a political tool. Also you know which 552 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.840 is what this this site was all about, is getting to what the people 553 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.280 are interested in, on what people want to know about from the White House. 554 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.960 This is certainly gained some ground that way. What do you expect might 555 00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.480 be the answer that you received? I guess what there's worth? Things stand? 556 00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.840 Uh huh, forgive me, I'm trying to get set up here for 557 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:37.400 a second. Here's where things stand. There have been one hundred ninety two 558 00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:44.719 petitions submitted to the White House website for the Weak of People initiative. The 559 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:52.159 disclosure petition has received approximately ninety eight hundred signatures. Is it is twenty first 560 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.440 out of one hundred and ninety two in terms of signatures that have obtained. 561 00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:02.039 That's very respectable. Not a big number, that's respectable. So people are 562 00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:07.440 going to the White House website. They are seeing this petition as part of 563 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:10.760 this process. They're seeing that it's getting respectable number of signatures, and that's 564 00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:16.519 a good thing. The threshold needed to be responded to was five thousand. 565 00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:22.400 The disclosure petition got that four days, so there will be a formal response. 566 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:27.599 The other petition that addresses this issue is right under five thousand. I'm 567 00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:30.760 quite sure it'll reach that threshold. Since that October five, the White House 568 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:36.000 increased the threshold of twenty five thousand, which was a mistake. It's too 569 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.639 many. They probably shouldn't have increased it to more than ten, which they 570 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:45.119 may correct, but it's not retroactive. But the disclosure petition will receive a 571 00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.920 response. What that responsibly, I can imagine, but there will be a 572 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:54.719 response, and of course we will heavily publicize it and discuss it around the 573 00:44:54.760 --> 00:45:00.039 world. But what I'm really interested in is how many signatures can we get 574 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.159 on this petition? Not having the bath sums of money that a move on 575 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:08.679 dot org has or the National Rightful Association have or ARP has, but having 576 00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:14.079 access to the social media like Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, YouTube, email 577 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:20.320 lists and websites, can we share the link to this petition sufficiently to gather 578 00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.599 a lot of signatures from around the world. The number of people that believe 579 00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:29.159 that there is an et president is roughly fifty percent in most of the industrialized 580 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:34.280 world, and probably around forty percent and the non industrialized world, and it's 581 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.519 a huge number, between two and three billion people worldwide. So all we're 582 00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:43.079 asking is how many are willing to sign a petition asking the government to acknowledge 583 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:47.400 this truth and obviously start revealing information about it. The link is on a 584 00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:53.159 number of websites. There is an information site for this petition in disclosurepetition dot 585 00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:58.079 info, where you can see media coverage, you can get links for your 586 00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:02.639 website banners rather where you can see the short link to the petition right which 587 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:08.280 is wh dot gov forward slash, G, capital k C last two letters, 588 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:15.320 ksere or capitalize. Or you can simply Google disclosure petition and it comes 589 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:16.559 right up to the top. I think the short link is number two. 590 00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.840 Or you can go to the White House whit house dot go. Simply go 591 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:25.039 to the petitionary where the people look for it, register and sign it. 592 00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:29.519 So when order register, what you do is you have to give an email 593 00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:34.159 address and you have to give them a little other information. Uh the zip 594 00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:38.559 code is is optional and they will publish your signature as first name and last 595 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.360 initial, which is a compromise it I would prefer both names, but they're 596 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:46.280 going with the first name last initial. They send to a password by the 597 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.440 way, and then you use that to sign it. You have to register 598 00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:52.559 with the site side hand and you can sign a petitions you want, so 599 00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:57.599 We're trying to spread that link U, and it is getting spread around, 600 00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.719 and there is some media coverage. I've been interviewed by the Wall Street Journal 601 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:05.039 waiting on that article. There's been articles in the Huntington Post who wrote one 602 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:09.000 of them yourself. Hopefully we will see this link spread and we can get 603 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:13.639 this number up. I would certainly like to see it past twenty thousands, 604 00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:16.599 which is definitely doable by the end of the month. This is where my 605 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:23.840 interest really lies getting that signature count up. So this issue has a very 606 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.760 respectable showing relative to the other petitions on that White House website, and then 607 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:36.480 we'll see where we'll go from there. Cool. So some of the questions 608 00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.800 about the White House, just from what you know or from what you've been 609 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:45.239 able to gather, do you know if Obama is aware of the issue, 610 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:51.199 if he at least in any sort of official capacity. Oh, Obama is 611 00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.440 aware of the issue, my lord. You can't hardly pick up the news 612 00:47:54.559 --> 00:48:00.559 or on a web even on news networks and so forth. The issue comes 613 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.320 up, and he's well aware and it needs the issue. But whether or 614 00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.239 not he's been given a briefing, that don't know what his personal view is 615 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:13.840 We don't know. But the issue, of course is out there. It's 616 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:19.840 been out there a long time and it's getting harder and harder to blow it 617 00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:25.519 off. So it's going to be grand to see what the bomb administration does. 618 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:31.719 But the reason for doing this is not that ogie the Oboma administration is 619 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.960 going to read that petition to go well, I guess you'd better disclosed. 620 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:40.840 The reason for doing this is showing this issue. It's getting the awareness and 621 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.800 increasing the awareness, getting media covered. Also, it's very notable to keep 622 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.440 in mind if the White House website, it is not just a website. 623 00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:52.679 It is the website for the most powerful nation in the world. It gets 624 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:58.400 tens of millions of visitors every month. Anybody can go there, including members 625 00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:01.800 of the military, intelligence conflict, even the ones operating in the deedless popify 626 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:07.079 zones, other heads of state. Anybody can go to that website and obviously 627 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:12.719 they can see that petition and so it's being read. It's not signed by 628 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.320 people from all over the world. It's the significant So the petition is a 629 00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:21.679 message not just the administration but to the world itself. Right, is real 630 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.639 and it's not going to go away, and it will be dealt with. 631 00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:30.960 You cannot continue to die a million pound elephants in the realm indefinitely. At 632 00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:34.840 some point you're going to have to acknowledge it, because that's very much what 633 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.599 this petition is about. Yeah, And the reason I asked that because I 634 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:43.039 think it's interesting in that the intention, of course of the White House opening 635 00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:49.440 up the site was to get an idea of what Americans are thinking about, 636 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.599 what they think is important, what they want the White House to do, 637 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:58.280 take take action on, or to speak about. And so it's not like 638 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:04.840 it would be certainly this ingenuous for them to shy away from anything that is 639 00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:12.039 a popular issue such as yours. On the site, it's complicated, it's 640 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.719 not exactly clear what the White House motivations are, and they are gathering a 641 00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:22.639 lot of emails addresses which could be politically useful. But the fact is that 642 00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:28.639 they have not significantly promoted this. There have been few or there have been 643 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:32.519 articles. If you google White House petitions, you will see articles about it, 644 00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:38.000 but the President has never mentioned it and no ads have been taken out. 645 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:44.760 So it's like they're deliberately under promoting it. And I can assure you 646 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.119 if the President were to mention this in the press conference, the number of 647 00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:52.239 petitions would probably go from one hundred and ninety to one thousand, right, 648 00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:55.199 and the number of seatures would lead ten, fifteen, twenty four. They 649 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:02.679 haven't done it, and that's interesting. So as a result, when you 650 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:07.119 look at the petitions, there are many many issues that are not represented there 651 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.760 that you would expect to be represented. Now. Not surprisingly, two of 652 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:19.280 the two most represented issues are marijuana reform, marijuana law reform and gun issues. 653 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:25.039 Not surprising there the most that the issue with the most petitions is, 654 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:30.360 in fact the reform of marijuana laws. I think there are twelve petitions out 655 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.199 of whatnoty two. Of course, nobody's surprised. There's a great interest in 656 00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.239 that. Nobody surprised, huge satisfaction with the war on drugs, which is 657 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:43.440 an American catastrophe, so that it doesn't really that's not going to surprise anybody 658 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:49.360 administration. The disclosure petition is another matter. Now, there is one possibility 659 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:54.599 here which is remote. I don't know how likely it is, but it's 660 00:51:54.679 --> 00:52:02.239 worth mentioning, and that is the the White House when it comes to certain 661 00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:07.400 issues, the top politicians like the President and so forth, even senators for 662 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:15.320 instance, if they were to proactively speak to an issue, it would immediately 663 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:17.760 a very controversial issue. We would immediately draw a lot of attention and would 664 00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:22.000 attract a lot of attention and people the media would be coming at them and 665 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:23.519 why are you talking about this? Why aren't you bringing this up? Do 666 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:28.000 you think this is true? And so forth, And which is one of 667 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:30.800 the reasons why they don't do that very much. Right, they talk out 668 00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:35.599 of both sides of their mouth. They avoid the controversial stuff. They stick 669 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:39.880 the talking point and the usual stuff. But one of the aspects of this 670 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:44.840 process, particularly if it grows and they and they promote it a little bit 671 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:49.599 or being really get some serious signature council, is that, well, if 672 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.119 someone puts up a petition, say for disclosure, and it gets twenty thousand 673 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.519 signatures, and you've agreed in advance without knowing what the issues are going to 674 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:04.320 be, that you're going to formally respond, essentially your response to that issue 675 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:09.039 is not proactive, but rather you're simply honoring the agreement that you made when 676 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:14.159 you set up the initiative. And so in a way, it gives the 677 00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:21.519 administration license to respond to an issue that normally they would not respond to because 678 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:25.119 they would not want to proactively engage it. Right, of course, this 679 00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.039 is where the press is supposed to do their job. I mean, the 680 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.480 list of issues that the press should be challenging all administrations on is a very 681 00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:37.320 long list, and the press just doesn't do it. I don't know what 682 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:43.199 happened to them. I don't know where the media is going. But overall, 683 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:47.920 about five to ten percent of the questions I ask are worth of damn 684 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.679 and the most important questions I've never asked. So the media is not doing 685 00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:58.760 this job. So is it possible that the White House is using this to 686 00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:04.480 draw in certain issues that will then and then have to respond to them, 687 00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.639 thus opening up a door they otherwise would not want to open them real so 688 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:16.199 I can assure you that every word in the response to the disclosure petition will 689 00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:21.719 be carefully considered. No, that makes a lot of sense that it would 690 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:27.440 be a political strategy in order to get some momentum to pet pet project. 691 00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:31.159 They want to something they want to address, but they want to have an 692 00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:36.039 excuse. Well, you know, the American people brought this up to the 693 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:37.960 White House, and are we the people? And that's why we're addressing this 694 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:44.320 issue. But Obama did this before when he was coming into office. He 695 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:50.960 had something set up and you participated in that as well. And that program 696 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:57.400 marijuana taking that subject in particular because it's so high the illegal legalization of marijuana. 697 00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.239 It was very high on that one all so, and unfortunately that's one 698 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:06.840 also that has been ignored. It's really if they're asking the people what they 699 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.440 think is an important and they want to address these things, it is disingenuous, 700 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:16.360 unfortunately, for them to not address these things when the public is saying, 701 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:21.079 hey, this is you asked and I'm telling you, but you're ignoring 702 00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:24.440 me. That was a different situation though, I mean, let's let's compare. 703 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:30.320 Yeah, that was again an effort to engage the public to be democratic, 704 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.639 but it was it was during the transition period after the election, the 705 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:42.639 seventy seven days between the election and the inauguration. The transition team, which 706 00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:47.199 interesting enough, was led by John Sedestin, had a website called change dot 707 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.760 gov and as an excide of democracy, they in finding people to submit issues 708 00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:58.760 that others could vote on so they could get an idea what people were interested 709 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.320 in or what they cared about. As Obama considered quote setting up his team 710 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:07.239 and beginning his term as president. All well and good. There were many 711 00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.239 hundreds of issues and they got a lot of votes. There were more votes 712 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:15.039 and more issues than you're seeing right now on the petition process in the White 713 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:19.679 House website. But then they promoted it more back then, but that was 714 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:25.360 the transition period. This is three years into the administration at the beginning of 715 00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:30.719 what's going to be a brutal campaign. It's going to cost a couple of 716 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:37.920 billion dollars at least for the next presidency. The president is in trouble is 717 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.559 if pooper ratings are low. No president has, no sitting president has ever 718 00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.519 won a second term with ratings at this level. Of course, there's still 719 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:50.559 a lot of time, so putting this in play now is a much different 720 00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:55.000 situation. And I think that's one of the reasons why they have underpromoted it 721 00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.639 because, frankly, if they were to promote this, if he were the 722 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.559 president he was at just a few days ago, it simply said, you 723 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:07.440 know, the Goloso like to mention that we are initiated a petition process on 724 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:13.880 the White House website. We're seeking petitions on issues of importance of people and 725 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.639 people may sign them and this will and we will responding. Had he done 726 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.639 that, the whole thing would have exploded. So it's almost like they're now 727 00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:25.280 playing their cards currently measured this this has you know, there's trial balloons going 728 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.760 being sent up all over the place here. I'm not ultimately sure where this 729 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:35.079 is going to go right now. As you know, there's a lot of 730 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:39.000 turmoil. There are petitions out there with regarding certain issues, a hundreds of 731 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:42.920 thousands of signatures, but of course they're not on the White House website. 732 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:47.639 So we're in the early, the early stages of a lot of things. 733 00:57:47.719 --> 00:57:51.519 I mean, look, there's a lot of political turmoil in America and in 734 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.679 the world, but I but one thing we can say is that disclosure issue 735 00:57:55.719 --> 00:58:00.159 is represented. It is there. There are two petitions on that site, 736 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.679 amongst the one ninety two. Both are going to be responded to by the 737 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:10.239 administrations. We have put it in play, and we will continue to drive 738 00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:16.559 that petition and seek as many signatures as possible. Again, if the word 739 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:22.920 would spread and people would get motivated and put some major numbers behind that disclosure 740 00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:27.559 petition, I guarantee you it would become an international news story that the petition 741 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:31.280 right now with the most signatures is one of the marijuana petitions. I think 742 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:37.719 it's sisted around fifty three thousand, so we have about twenty percent of the 743 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.599 top petition. Now, believe me, I mean there's enough people out there 744 00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:45.119 that want the marijuana laws reformed. I mean that petition could have a million 745 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.840 signatures. But again, not enough people know that thing has even happened on 746 00:58:49.960 --> 00:58:52.599 the White House website, which is why I'm doing media. I've already done 747 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:57.159 about thirty interviews and I've brought you thirty more before the mid November. I'm 748 00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.760 doing what I can to promote not only the disclosure petition, but this initiative 749 00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:02.840 by the White House. Look, it's a good idea, but if the 750 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:07.840 people don't participate, it will have less impact. So how many people out 751 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.320 there want the truth about the et president? How many people are ready to 752 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.960 see this truth and bugle ended? Are you willing to put your first name 753 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.239 and last initial behind that? If so, you need to go to White 754 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:22.199 House dot go, go to we the People Register, get a password, 755 00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:25.639 sign in and sign the disclosure petition, or go get the link off the 756 00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:30.840 disclosurepetition dot info or at Paradigm research Group dot org. The link is turning 757 00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.559 up all over the place, wh dot gov forwards, last G, Capital, 758 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.480 K, Capital, C and sign it And as the numbers grow, 759 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.840 I assure you there'll be more media. And as there's more media turns up, 760 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:45.519 there'll be more signatures and we may have ourselves a real strong statement. 761 00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:52.159 That's the goal. It's only been approximately twenty days since the petition went up, 762 00:59:52.239 --> 00:59:57.280 all right, so it's just three weeks. We have time, so 763 00:59:57.639 --> 01:00:01.199 again i'd like to see people get involved. Yeah, so your primary goal 764 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:06.360 of awareness is what you're looking for something I think you've definitely achieved, which 765 01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.320 is great and will continue to achieve. And I know this isn't your primary 766 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:13.559 goal, but I'm just out of curiosity. I was curious about your thoughts 767 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:20.519 on some of these other aspects, what if another what if scenario. Obama 768 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.800 took a look at this and he said, wow, this is interesting. 769 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:27.079 You know, people Americans are really into this subject. I want to find 770 01:00:27.119 --> 01:00:31.360 out more. Do you think he'd be able to especially considering and do you 771 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:36.519 feel I guess the second part of this question would be that that's what Clinton 772 01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.639 did when he was president. There's a story, of course of him telling 773 01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.360 Webster Hubble, who is going to be the deputy Attorney general, go look 774 01:00:45.400 --> 01:00:50.280 into UFOs, and he kind of even alludes to that I tried to look 775 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:52.360 into UFOs but didn't find anything. Do you think he's telling the truth? 776 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:57.760 And do you think Obama could be more successful? This is a very very 777 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.119 complicated question. A lot up into the Clinton administration is a huge story and 778 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:06.800 and and it's starting to get out. It'll be it'll be written up in 779 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:13.199 my book hopefully which comes out early next year. But he didn't really matter 780 01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.840 what Clinton wanted to know or knew or wanted to know, and he did 781 01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:20.079 try to learn some information. He was not going to allow me to disclosure 782 01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:24.239 president. Period. Wasn't gonna happen. Uh, he was not going to 783 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:28.599 be the disclosure president. You said he was not going to allowed to be. 784 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.599 He was not going to be allowed to be even if he wanted to 785 01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:37.440 be. Well, you know, if if the military intelligence committees that do 786 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:40.079 manage this issue are not willing to cooperate with the president, it would be 787 01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:45.280 incredibly risky for the president to go forward. The president will go forward saying 788 01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:46.760 there's an et presence, but in the military and toast community, you don't 789 01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.920 back them up and won't provide him information. I mean, you're you're looking 790 01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:55.079 at the potential for a massive constitutional crisis, huge you know, myth, 791 01:01:55.480 --> 01:02:00.719 and we would not be good. And so what is required and what we 792 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:10.679 ultimately expect will happen is that either if Bob, disclosure needs to be initiated 793 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:16.039 by both the military intelligence community and the executive branch. Which who will move 794 01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:21.039 first is hard to say. I think the military intelligence community is most likely 795 01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:25.039 to move first that one way of another, some representatives of the president, 796 01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:34.719 operating absolutely privately, will at some point meet with representatives of the military intelligence 797 01:02:34.760 --> 01:02:40.880 management committees on the ET issue, and they will privately agree to go forward 798 01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.679 and disclosure will take place. That's why this petition is important because it's on 799 01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:51.039 the White House website. It's it's successible not just to the White House staff, 800 01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:55.280 but to the CIA staff and the NFA staff and THEDIA staff and everybody 801 01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:00.239 else in the classified world, as well as other foreign country. He's in 802 01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:05.679 their government, government, governing people. So he's just well, look, 803 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:09.760 it's nicely positioned, you know, location, location, location, So Obama, 804 01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:17.719 Obama wants to respond to this, he would and he wanted to initiate 805 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:22.599 it, what he would have to do is he would have to send some 806 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:29.079 some private uh uh queries, probably in person, and the theories as a 807 01:03:29.119 --> 01:03:34.320 word, dam the military intelligence community in a very discreet way, and and 808 01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:39.519 and and ask if they would engage it and talk about this. As far 809 01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:44.480 as him demanding information, I don't think that works that way. And if 810 01:03:44.480 --> 01:03:46.440 he probably did it, that would be interesting. But I'll say this, 811 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:52.440 whatever that his response, whatever it comes to be, is going to be 812 01:03:52.199 --> 01:03:57.079 I guarantee you publicized around the world. I mean, pr to make sure 813 01:03:57.159 --> 01:04:00.360 that. But I think there's going to be plenty of health there. So 814 01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.920 if they if they if any number of things that they could say in that 815 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:11.960 response, that would open the door. And so I now that you know 816 01:04:12.280 --> 01:04:14.960 then there was there's ways, I mean, you can open the door without 817 01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.599 admitting anything, right if that was the Ibomb administration, what I would do 818 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:25.880 if I wanted to see this take place but was simply unable to unilaterally act 819 01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:30.880 on it. Ah, And keep in mind, one of the key advisors 820 01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:35.679 to the president is is you know but not outside government is John Podesta, 821 01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.719 the head of his transition team. John Podesta called at least of all UFO 822 01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.679 files twice two thousand two, two thousand and three. Right, he is. 823 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:46.960 He supports the co Listen for Freedom of Information, which is in fact 824 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:56.400 an organization created to quote advanced to disclose your process. So what I would 825 01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:01.199 do is I would respond in such a way that the door would open for 826 01:05:01.280 --> 01:05:09.280 the media to come through. Words just give them just enough of an opening 827 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:14.559 that they would go, hello, what and they would come through, and 828 01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:20.119 then the media would suddenly start asking tough questions and the administration would, I 829 01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:27.039 guess, be put into a corner where they have to discuss it. And 830 01:05:27.079 --> 01:05:30.360 at that point things could go very very quickly. So this is a possibility. 831 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.480 On the other hand, they may just blow it off. They may 832 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.440 come back with some basic response other than I am not aware. We're not 833 01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.559 aware that there's any true to any of this information, and therefore we see 834 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:45.639 no basis to engage it. Now. That could also be interesting, because 835 01:05:45.679 --> 01:05:50.559 I can assure you that the public response worldwide to that is not going to 836 01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:55.719 be favorable, and it's going to track a lot of attention. Well, 837 01:05:55.760 --> 01:05:59.760 they've continue to do that, though, and that has not really had enoughfect. 838 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:03.960 The Air Force continues to say that CIA. They all have websites where 839 01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:10.239 they say that, and really nobody's except for people like us, nobody's really 840 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:14.320 paid attention or tried to call attention to it. Well, it's one thing 841 01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:19.239 for the Air Force to release a standard response that are saying we do not 842 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:24.960 investigate this phenomena, and whatever this phenomena is does not pose a risk to 843 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.760 the American people. It's another thing for the President of the United States the 844 01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:34.920 executive branch to respond and make statement on the issue. That's a whole different 845 01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:41.360 matter that is going to be worldwide news. All right. Well, Kit 846 01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:45.079 made that statement twice. I mean there's a couple of times where he said 847 01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:47.760 I looked into it, I found out that there was nothing to it. 848 01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:57.719 Each time had the caveat that usually jokingly that maybe they're keeping even secrets from 849 01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:01.079 me. But I mean he did say I didn't find anything to any of 850 01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:06.239 this. That's not my recollection, Alejandro, and I'm paying pretty close attention 851 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:11.679 here. Clinton never said that. He said that twice. He said that 852 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.360 to the Air Force. He said it both out of the country, actually, 853 01:07:15.400 --> 01:07:17.079 but he said it in Hong Kong. The video that I had with 854 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:29.239 your with your story on the Huffington Post and then go ahead, I'll have 855 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:32.599 to review the Hong Kong video in the Ireland statement. That was a very 856 01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:39.039 interesting line which he didn't have to say at all, but he indicated in 857 01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:43.920 a response to a query from a child that had asked him about Roswell, 858 01:07:43.960 --> 01:07:46.519 he said, well, I don't know if there's anything at Roswell, but 859 01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:50.480 I'd sure like to find out. As far as the Hong Kong statement on 860 01:07:50.559 --> 01:07:55.480 releases, but many of these are formal statements by the White House. They're 861 01:07:55.519 --> 01:08:01.960 almost toss off and allegedly according to Stephen and I can't verify this. Sarah 862 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:08.960 McClinton told him that Clinton told her that he would like to know about it, 863 01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:13.360 but he can't get the information. I can't. I can't verify that 864 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.920 I knew, and I knew her fairly well, that's a quite formal response 865 01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:21.880 from the President. This is going to be a formal response to the petition 866 01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:28.079 by the White House that will be sent out to every person that has signed 867 01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:32.960 the petitioner, as well as the court. Me right, and that and 868 01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:38.319 by the way, and this is twenty eleven, it had nineteen ninety three, 869 01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:43.239 right, just twenty years later, in the last ten years, over 870 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.880 a dozen countries have released tens upon tens of thousands of UFO files, some 871 01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:51.560 classified, mostly not, into the public domain, and those those files have 872 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:56.479 been downloaded tens of millions of times around the world. Witnesses have come forward, 873 01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:00.079 there have been major press conference. This is a different time. So 874 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.399 all I can say is, whatever this response is, I assure you that 875 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:10.640 PRG is going to do everything it can to make sure that many people responsible 876 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:14.880 know what this response is and to respond accordingly. And if it's a real 877 01:09:14.920 --> 01:09:19.159 blow off, then what I mean may do is is start up another position 878 01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:25.960 on the law on the way to people based upon that response, making slightly 879 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:30.159 different demands, and go out and try to get even more signatures. I 880 01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:32.479 mean, they've opened up the door here. Now they can close it at 881 01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:38.279 any time. But if they're going to open up the door and you're an 882 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:42.399 advocate and the issue is what it is, well this one is you're going 883 01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:45.319 to go through that door to everything you can and that's what PRG is doing. 884 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:47.279 Yeah, that's great that you're taking advantage of that too, and that 885 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.840 you know there's someone like you there to keep an eye on that. But 886 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:56.439 you did say something that I thought was pretty shocking. Earlier, you said 887 01:09:56.439 --> 01:10:00.279 that you felt that the military intelligence community, right, which seems to be 888 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:03.560 the people that really are holding the key to the information, and they decide 889 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:08.119 whether it gets out or not, be regardless of what any president wants. 890 01:10:08.399 --> 01:10:13.840 But what makes you think they would have any reason or will to put the 891 01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.880 information out? I think you said that you think that they would move and 892 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:27.319 they would release information before the president. Given keeping in mind that we're talking 893 01:10:27.359 --> 01:10:31.920 about people that operate in extreme secrecy. There has been a consensus amongst a 894 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:39.239 number of the activists and some the researchers for a while, going back to 895 01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:48.880 late nineteen nineties two thousand, that the consensus inside is probably in favor now 896 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:54.239 of going forward with disclosure. But it's a consensus, yeah, the words 897 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.199 just a slight majority. That there's still going to be people that are opposed 898 01:10:58.239 --> 01:11:03.640 to it. And why would that be, Well, it's my jock, 899 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:12.840 you but those shots some people, the people that that run and work in 900 01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:18.000 the national security realms are basically good American citizens. They're not evil, they're 901 01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:27.600 not Illuminati, they're not Satanists, They're they're military officers, they're intelligence officers. 902 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:32.000 Uh, they're they're under de classification, they're they're they're they're paid well, 903 01:11:32.039 --> 01:11:36.159 but not extraordinarily well. I can assure you they're a hell of a 904 01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:41.479 lot more honest than most of the politicians of the country right now. And 905 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:46.640 their job is this is to protect the national security and defend the constitution, 906 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:54.800 and that's and that's what they do. Uh. And I believe that they 907 01:11:55.680 --> 01:12:00.960 certainly in the last ten years, have come to understand that they continuance of 908 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:04.800 this truth embargo is in fact not in the national securities interests, that it 909 01:12:04.840 --> 01:12:11.920 is dvanmaging the social contract and helping to see the massive distrust which is growing 910 01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:16.079 day by day in America toward government by the people. And of course the 911 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.039 polls show this. The numbers are rather phenomenal. It's amazing the country's hanging 912 01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:30.319 together. And so I think that given the right circumstances, possibly with the 913 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:34.159 assistance of media, that this thing comes out and they make a move. 914 01:12:34.880 --> 01:12:42.840 But because they control the information, because they have the evidence, and by 915 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.960 and mark, the presidents can't get at that information, they pretty much call 916 01:12:46.039 --> 01:12:50.279 the shots. Now that in and of itself is something that the American people 917 01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:57.199 need to look at real seriously, are they comfortable with this idea of having 918 01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:02.840 a massive national security secret world that controls huge amounts of information that the Congress 919 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:09.000 and the President don't know about and are therefore able to quote decide what it's 920 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:13.479 told and what doesn't and maybe even what policies take place based upon their control 921 01:13:13.520 --> 01:13:16.319 of the secret information. Is this what we want? Is this the government 922 01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:20.520 we want? I think most people don't want that, but they don't know 923 01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:25.159 enough to realize that that's exactly what they've got. Now, again, that 924 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:29.319 doesn't mean that the people that control the information are criminals or evil or anything 925 01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:33.000 else. They are operating in a system that they didn't necessarily create. It 926 01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:41.920 involved since nineteen forty five, primarily in response to the Soviet threat and secondarily 927 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:45.840 in response to the et presence, and they created and what was created was 928 01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:53.560 what I call the Secret Empire, the largest secret complex in history, bast 929 01:13:53.600 --> 01:13:59.279 in its scope, fast in its funding, and co increasingly removed from political 930 01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:02.199 oversights. So but then I said, create even people working in and now, 931 01:14:03.520 --> 01:14:06.840 but that's what we have now that that needs to be reformed, I'm 932 01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:12.319 pretty sure. But when that reform takes place, I don't know. I 933 01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:18.560 think disclosure. The act of disclosure is the best path to eventually reforming this 934 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:24.119 vast secret conflict so that it's more in line with our democratic principles in our 935 01:14:24.159 --> 01:14:29.319 founding constitution. But these are huge issues. But the consequences, let me 936 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:34.159 tell you, of not dealing with these issues, are potentially great. Uh. 937 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:40.279 This is not trivial stuff, right, and not talking about you know, 938 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:45.960 land use rights in Wyoming or whether we should drill offshore or not drill 939 01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:50.960 offshore. We're talking about a vast secret empire that has been created and now 940 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:56.720 spend huge sums of money and operates without oversight and the form of policy do 941 01:14:56.760 --> 01:15:00.359 with whole the acknowledgement of an extraterustrial presence engaging in our planet. This is 942 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:04.960 huge stock. It's so big. Yeah, for the number of people I 943 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.199 can't see, it's too big to see. Yeah. I agree that that's 944 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:12.279 one of the huge issues we have going on right now. People aren't addressing. 945 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.000 Washington posted a big write up, but it doesn't really seem to be 946 01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:21.119 catching on. Is this secrecy out of control? And you talked about how 947 01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:27.279 these people are good people, and I totally Although that might not be a 948 01:15:27.279 --> 01:15:30.399 popular opinion in this build. You know, I think you're right. These 949 01:15:30.399 --> 01:15:34.359 are just normal people like you and I doing a job and working in this 950 01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:40.720 world of this secrecy out of control with the other side though, and the 951 01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:45.880 other possible reasons for secrecy. You had talked earlier about abduction and people having 952 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:51.520 interactions with extra treasure girls. Do you believe in this scenario of the fear 953 01:15:51.600 --> 01:16:00.239 of releasing the information because it's too scary, that there's possibly malevolent force that 954 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:05.560 and they don't want people to know about that this scary situation. Well, 955 01:16:05.600 --> 01:16:11.079 first of all, millions, tens of millions of people know about this situation, 956 01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:15.000 right, But there's a movie huge and different and have opinions as to 957 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:20.760 whether it's an evasion by malevolent people or or if it's uh, these oversight 958 01:16:20.840 --> 01:16:26.439 by these wiser beings there. There's of course a wide variety of opinion that 959 01:16:26.479 --> 01:16:32.279 way. Well, but your original point was that there is conductions going on, 960 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:39.600 there's contact going on, and without getting into motives and parsing that uh, 961 01:16:39.760 --> 01:16:42.039 that that's a scary thing and they don't want to talk about it. 962 01:16:42.039 --> 01:16:45.039 Well, and again, huge millions of people, more millions of people every 963 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:49.239 year more makes people come to understand that there is contact going on. I 964 01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:51.560 mean, books have been writ about it, movies have been done about it. 965 01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:56.199 Uh, it's hard. It's hardly a secret anymore. So we already 966 01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.600 know that, and if dust, the stories in many cases are unsettling. 967 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.960 So basically what we have here is the people know, the government denies, 968 01:17:04.000 --> 01:17:09.079 so it just makes it that much more frightening. So the idea that, 969 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:11.920 oh, we can't tell the people what they already know because they'll get scared, 970 01:17:12.239 --> 01:17:21.239 now that's silly in terms of malevolence. Look, I use this analogy. 971 01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:29.039 The Germans are massing huge numbers of tanks on the French border, right, 972 01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:32.600 and tens of thousands of troops. The French government learns about this, 973 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:41.399 but makes the decision not to inform the French people because they're pretty convinced that 974 01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:45.399 the Germans intentions from a level, and so they just let the French people 975 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:50.560 go about their business and then one day the tanks roll in. That's kind 976 01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:56.600 of the scenario that's being suggested, that it's the EP's intentions are bad, 977 01:17:57.159 --> 01:18:00.279 better not tell anybody, so we can all just go about our lives until 978 01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:03.520 they all show up one day and start hurting us into pens to be fed 979 01:18:03.720 --> 01:18:10.359 to their pet dog. Ridiculous. I will make the case it would be 980 01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:13.840 happy to make it to any sociology professor at Harvard if they would even deem 981 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:15.159 to have me on campus, But of course they don't want me one hundred 982 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:20.640 miles from that campus. They were incredibly relieved when John Mack was killed by 983 01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:26.560 an automobile in London, and one day they're going to pay for their arrogance. 984 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.880 Nevertheless, I would make the case that if in fact there is malevel 985 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:35.800 and ten upon these next interrestrials, that is the number one reason why every 986 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:40.279 nation in the world should acknowledge that presence to all seven billion of us, 987 01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:45.119 so we can decide together what we're going to do about it and take that 988 01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:48.760 burden off the backs of the few select individuals who are carrying that burden in 989 01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:53.960 the national security structures. We take it to bed every night, right knowing, 990 01:18:54.000 --> 01:18:56.880 oh my God, that e d's are coming, and only I know 991 01:18:56.960 --> 01:19:00.399 about it because we can't tell anybody else. That's nonsense. And so it's 992 01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:04.880 time for the government to realize that they serve us, we don't serve them. 993 01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:09.800 They work for us, we don't work for them, and anything that 994 01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:15.279 concerns our well being is our uh is our right to know, and that 995 01:19:15.560 --> 01:19:19.680 the sooner they tell us, the better. And that's the case I'd be 996 01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:23.600 happy to make. If somebody in government wants to step forward to make the 997 01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:27.159 counter case, well, we can't tell you about the trust the presence, 998 01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:30.079 because we do think it would cause the problem. I'd be happy to have 999 01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:31.880 that debate. But they're never going to do that. They're never even going 1000 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:35.880 to admit there's something that they can't tell. So the whole thing is contaned. 1001 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:44.760 In other words, el Jandro is a self driving, a perpetuating process 1002 01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:49.279 of secrecy and denial that leads nowhere right, And so they're trapped in their 1003 01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:53.640 own Crucian bargo and they can't get out. So we need to reach in 1004 01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:57.279 with a healthy hands and pull them out. Now, do you think that 1005 01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:02.399 the scenario may exist? Some people like Nick Pope and John Alexander kind of 1006 01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:08.039 are in this area that they believe that a large part of the reason of 1007 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:11.399 the secrecy is that they don't know and they don't want to admit that. 1008 01:20:11.720 --> 01:20:14.079 You know, we've got these things flying around in these people here, and 1009 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:19.000 we don't know what the heck they're doing. Do you believe that they possibly 1010 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:26.079 could be in the state of confusion themselves? Not for one milliseconds. We 1011 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:30.319 know what the citizen scientists movement has been able to determine with no money whatsoever. 1012 01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:35.880 I mean a total amount of money that has been spent on euthology since 1013 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:41.600 forty seven. We're probably not even played the long care bills of your typical 1014 01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:50.439 movie star. But given what we have been able to ascertain without government support, 1015 01:20:51.039 --> 01:20:56.920 with actual government intervention over sixty years. And then consider the government which 1016 01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:01.760 has had over those sixty years trullions of dollars of funding. The Air Force 1017 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:08.640 is a navy, satellite systems, radar systems, they advanced communications technicism. 1018 01:21:08.680 --> 01:21:15.000 We don't even know about huge resources, underground basis, underground facilities, and 1019 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.720 the idea that bold they know even less than we know is utterly absurd, 1020 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:23.960 Not to mention the fact that we have documents that indicate they know. We 1021 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.439 also have witnesses to come forward to indicate they know. And so if someone 1022 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:30.239 wants to say, oh, the government figured out whether it might be ets 1023 01:21:30.239 --> 01:21:32.560 in nineteen forty seven, but too complicated for them, and so they haven't 1024 01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:35.199 done a single bout it since then and just left it people to do it. 1025 01:21:35.399 --> 01:21:40.600 Well, they stay completely ignorant. It's ridiculous. So I said, 1026 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:44.319 I'll buy that for one second. And I know if John and I, 1027 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:48.399 Alexander and I can debate again, we'll all be happy to discuss that with 1028 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:56.920 him. Gotcha. And yeah, although with even these the people in the 1029 01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:00.479 public, civilian scientists like you're talking about, of course, there's a large 1030 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:04.359 amount of ideas and opinions, huge the gamut is from one end to the 1031 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:10.319 other on what may be going on, So it's hard to say anybody's necessarily 1032 01:22:10.520 --> 01:22:14.760 figured much out. But except for that, there is some sort of visitation. 1033 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:18.960 I wouldn't count on that. Yeah, there's plenty of evidence for crash 1034 01:22:19.079 --> 01:22:26.920 vehicles, numbers of crashes. Roswell was a crash vehicle, They had bodies, 1035 01:22:27.880 --> 01:22:32.319 evidence for living bodies. So I think it's quite likely the government has 1036 01:22:32.359 --> 01:22:41.760 had access to crash vehicles for sixty years and possibly living extra drust Gee moving, 1037 01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:46.600 yeah, moving on that. If you want me to tell we're gonna 1038 01:22:46.600 --> 01:22:51.520 put my money, I'll put my last die down and I'll give away one 1039 01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:56.199 hundred to one odds that the government knows more about this issue than we do. 1040 01:22:56.880 --> 01:23:00.800 Yeah, uh, moving on, No, Yeah, I just wanted 1041 01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:03.000 to ask all this gamut of questions just to get your idea on some of 1042 01:23:03.039 --> 01:23:06.680 these things. But getting back to kind of what you've been working on. 1043 01:23:08.319 --> 01:23:12.800 Exopolitics has been really popular, especially around the world. I mean, there's 1044 01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:16.800 lots of these exopolitics groups popping up. We've had a couple write articles for 1045 01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:24.000 the magazine What is exopolitics to you? There are kind of a few different 1046 01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:28.560 definitions out there. What is it to you? And what do you see 1047 01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.880 since you're out there among these countries, the appeal and what they're looking for 1048 01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:41.439 in exopolitics. Exopolitics is same as exopolitical science. It is the political and 1049 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:45.159 kind of social and complications of this issue and all its manifestations past, president 1050 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:51.119 future. What's important about the concept is it's a new language deliberately created in 1051 01:23:51.199 --> 01:23:57.119 order to describe a new situation. Wow, we're not so much interested in 1052 01:23:57.199 --> 01:24:00.159 the science of the ful phenomena. Others are, and they've done a lot. 1053 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:08.000 We're sitting a political ramifications government actions and involvements, future government policies and 1054 01:24:08.039 --> 01:24:10.960 so forth. We're truk In other words, we're seeking a political resolution so 1055 01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:15.960 consequently we need language appropriate to that. So exopolitics is a term designed to 1056 01:24:16.279 --> 01:24:23.359 reflect the political engagement of this issue and the disclosure movement. The disclosure movement 1057 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:28.359 is simply one part of exopology is not so much a day. The disclosure 1058 01:24:28.479 --> 01:24:32.159 movement is exopolitical. That's another way to look at it. The reason it's 1059 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:40.039 gaining popularity is because people have figured out that the science, the citizens science 1060 01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:43.520 effort, could not resolve the issue. If the government is going to refuse 1061 01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:46.000 to acknowledge it, if the government's going to withhold what it knows, if 1062 01:24:46.000 --> 01:24:51.159 it's going to deny there's anything there, then the citizen science effort is hampered 1063 01:24:51.199 --> 01:24:55.840 to the point of not being able to resolve the issue. And so consequently 1064 01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.960 we've got to move to the political area. So for a lot of people, 1065 01:24:59.039 --> 01:25:03.960 they see an exo partics of the disclosure movement, a real possibility of 1066 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:08.479 finally resolving this issue, at least at the formal to the initial level, 1067 01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:13.159 which is the acknowledgement of the presence. Once that's done, all doors open 1068 01:25:13.279 --> 01:25:21.560 up and anything happened, and a lot will happen. So exopolitics reflects or 1069 01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:29.359 presents to people a real possibility of actually resolving this issue in their lifetime, 1070 01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:32.119 and so naturally they're excited about it, and they should be excited about it. 1071 01:25:32.199 --> 01:25:35.399 That's not to say that the science and euthology what are you going to 1072 01:25:35.479 --> 01:25:39.439 call it, is not important and it continues to go on. It will 1073 01:25:39.479 --> 01:25:42.880 go on. That's fine, and I'm not saying that you stop that. 1074 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.720 I'm simply saying that it's not enough. We have to, you know, 1075 01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:51.039 resolve this political policy, which is what everything the Paradigm Research Group does, 1076 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:57.039 whether it's the Disclosure petition, whether it's the ex conference, whether it's the 1077 01:25:57.199 --> 01:26:01.239 million facs in Washington, everything it does, it's designed to achieve one goal, 1078 01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:05.319 and that is disclosure. And another project which is underway right now that 1079 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:10.119 I definitely want to mention is World Disclosure Day. Now. World Disclosure Day 1080 01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:15.560 is another referendum underway. It gives people a chance to sign to their interests 1081 01:26:15.600 --> 01:26:19.439 here. Now it's not an official government thing, but it is in fact 1082 01:26:19.720 --> 01:26:25.439 a project at PRG. World Disclosure Day dot org is prg's effort to get 1083 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:32.399 July d eight acknowledged by the public, not by the government, as the 1084 01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:35.880 day of the year to address the issue, to speak to it to old 1085 01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:42.359 events and conferences and whatever, just like Earth Day. But what's important is 1086 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.439 that the way it's set up is that people can go and endorse it. 1087 01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:49.079 We're trying to get people in organizations to endorse this concept, just like Earth 1088 01:26:49.159 --> 01:26:54.000 Day. As we get more endorsements, we'll get more media coverage and this 1089 01:26:54.039 --> 01:27:00.520 will develop. So these endorsements are are listed on the World Disclosed Day dot 1090 01:27:00.600 --> 01:27:05.239 org website. Now we're up to forty six hundred endorsements by people and organizations 1091 01:27:05.239 --> 01:27:08.880 of World Disclosure Day, and that number is going to continue to increase. 1092 01:27:09.439 --> 01:27:12.720 So there is another opportunity for people to vote now. And in that case, 1093 01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:15.840 we're posting both first and last name, city, state, so it's 1094 01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:20.359 a strong, strong signature. Right We're not posting an address, we're not 1095 01:27:20.439 --> 01:27:25.560 posting an email address, but we're posting first and last name. So right 1096 01:27:25.600 --> 01:27:30.920 now, PRG is encouraging people to sign a disclosure petition, sign or endorse 1097 01:27:31.000 --> 01:27:35.960 rather their World Disclosure Day and share both links with as many people as they 1098 01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:42.439 can on their Facebook, MySpace, Twitter accounts, and on their email list 1099 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:47.680 and see if we can garnish more and more sign support to this issue and 1100 01:27:47.760 --> 01:27:53.640 that will help PRG, generate more media, coverag and everybody can find out 1101 01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:59.760 about everything you're doing here at the Paradigmresearchgroup dot org. Correct, YESMB, 1102 01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:01.840 all right, great because we are out of time. Of course, that 1103 01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:05.720 flew like I knew it would, and it feels like it was a couple 1104 01:28:05.720 --> 01:28:11.760 of minutes, but it's already been an hour. Thanks Alejandro. Want to 1105 01:28:11.760 --> 01:28:15.039 mention that I will be speaking in Louisville, Kentucky at the the Faculous Conference. 1106 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:18.039 You can see the link on my sites or google it. That's December 1107 01:28:18.079 --> 01:28:26.159 sixteenth through eighteen and could be an important event. So I'll look forward to 1108 01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:30.720 seeing people in Louisville. And also there's some more movies coming out. More 1109 01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:34.800 Eten movies are on the way. It never stops. There's new books being 1110 01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:40.520 published. I certainly encourage people to read ad After Disclosure by Richard Dolan and 1111 01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.880 Bryce label On. My book hopefully will be coming out early next year. 1112 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:45.840 If I can sit down, funk and stuff in one place and write it 1113 01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:50.800 cool, I bet a lot of people are looking forward to it. Thanks 1114 01:28:51.319 --> 01:28:54.720 all right, great, Thank you so much for being on the show, 1115 01:28:54.840 --> 01:29:00.319 and remember people Paradigm Research Group dot org. All right, thanks, good 1116 01:29:00.359 --> 01:29:02.359 luck, with the petition. We'll be keeping a very close eye on it, 1117 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:09.039 that's for sure. Thank you. Welcome all right, hopefully you could 1118 01:29:09.039 --> 01:29:13.039 hear okay. Unfortunately I wasn't able to get Steve to turn off that dang 1119 01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:16.479 speaker phone, so this sound wasn't as good as I had hoped, but 1120 01:29:16.840 --> 01:29:23.319 hopefully you still heard everything. Okay. We are completely out of time, 1121 01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:27.479 so thank you so much for listening to Open Minds Radio. Listen to us 1122 01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:30.119 next week. We're gonna have another great show. Also, don't forget to 1123 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:36.159 visit Openminds dot tv for more UFO news. Talk to you next week, people,