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Welcome to softcore History. Welcome back
to softcore History. I'm your host for

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the week, Damna Chester, and
I am joined as always by Rob Fox

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and Jake Goldman. That's me,
What is up? Hello, Welcome back

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to Halloween whore Nights. Yes,
spooky month. We took a brief but

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important pit stop in on Friday,
Extra stop just off the extra off the

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old Mediterranean. Yeah, we did
lovely small. We didn't take any spookiness

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away from you. It's it's a
horrifying yeah place to have existed for four

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thousand years. Yeah, and to
this day. I thought we did a

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pretty good job handling it. So
I didn't get I didn't get one threat,

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did anyway? Ask? No one
cares about you either way. No

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one texts you to see if you're
okay, and no one DMS you to

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threaten your fucking life. My mind
made it. It's irrelevant. No.

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I had a friend call he goes. Just to be clear, I'm not

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calling the check in on. It
was about the Gator game, So thanks

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Matt. I actually check in on
Katie if there's a Gator loss. Don't

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do that. I don't mean like, I don't mean like, don't check

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in on or I mean, like, don't say that. On Saturday.

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Last Saturday, after I had two
crushing sports losses, I was like,

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Babe, this is so dumb.
But I just need admitt I need some

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space, just handle the kids.
I'm gonna go for a walk. I

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just really need to decompressed. So
I him fine out before the game and

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after the game. It is during
the game that I am a nightmare.

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Yeah, but I it will not
ruin my night if we lose, Like,

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I will be all right, that's
over. The Rob just checks out.

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Yeah, like, down and run. Rob's done. Yeah, down

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one run, pistol of the mouth. I'm sucking steel, little house,

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cleaning off the top. Make sure
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Yeah yeah, I was about to
say the code, but dude,

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check it out. My idea.
I have the Patreon episode this week.

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I'm really excited about it. It's
the most fucked up exorcism I've ever read

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about. Dan has just been improving
our set that week after week I get

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I'm sitting next to a fifteen foot
tall skeleton right now Dan Dan killed.

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Yeah, it's a injured giant.
Now you might ask like, oh,

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did Dan uh kill it a while
ago and now it's just a skeleton.

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No, No, he had the
boat. He had a bleached like,

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he had a dipped in acid like
they do with hoboes that they put in

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classrooms. Yeah, split up a
fight and Dan got him with the sword.

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So good job. Right through the
precip it should be fine. Yeah,

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no, check it out. I
worked really hard on the set and

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that's why we didn't get rid of
it for the Gaza episode. Yeah,

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it was probably not in the best
taste to have a set littered with bones.

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But I did wear my Crusader outfit
so that Yeah, we bound.

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We did veto that in the group
chat. Yeah. Dan actually called himself

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before he even got to the veto. But yeah, called myself out.

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Yeah, it's like should I wear
this? Should I wear this? Is

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like appropriate? You know what though? Fuck that, because like maybe you

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should have worn it, because no
one would have been mad if he dressed

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like a Mongolian or a Roman the
great Yeah, like if you were like

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whatever, that even Yeah, people
would have lost stuff. I wore my

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Amica that day though. College campuses, Yeah, I can't wait. What

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if you're on a college campus,
Yeah, I can't worry Yamica probably not,

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probably not. It's probably on site. Oh man, that's stumb the

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hats not it's not a fun hat
to wear. Yeah, well they the

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people don't realize that, Like when
you see it up close. They've almost

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always got like a clip on.
It doesn't seem sensible. How do you

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wear one if you're bald, dude, it's probably tape to cover up that

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little spot in the back of your
head. Yeah, clutch. I've I've

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only had the small ones and I
never had a clip. I was never

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rocking a clip and that ship would
follow. Do you think guys with classic

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male pattern baldness are like the Yamaica
stays on during sex? Yeah? I

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think so does the does on.
You're asking the wrong jow. Okay,

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did you ever have like one of
those stupid like customized Yamica, like a

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baseball Yamaica, football Yamaica. I
gotta. I would always see those and

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be like, it's what do you
I don't I don't ask for like a

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ninja turtles communion wafer, like,
just fucking take it's actually that'd be sweet,

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but does it turn into does it
turn into Donna Tello though when you

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put it in your mouth? Yeah, turtle meat at that point, it's

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a turtle wafer. Uh yeah,
No, I just rocked a little black

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one. Never Yeah, I just
kept classic classic. Well, just like

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that episode about Gaza, we're gonna
go back to ancient history nineteen twelve.

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Yeah, to be fair to me, nineteen twelve was technically covered in that

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Gaza episode. We went up to
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Yeah, but we kind of glossed
over it in nineteen hundreds. We left

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it out. Yeah, I only
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off at the British, right,
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And that's a whole other episode that
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exactly we wanted. We wanted all
the SEO without any of the controversy.

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Yeah, that's right. We wanted
to say an hour of things without saying

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anything. Yeah, we really needed
to play that one safe. Yeah.

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Anyway, though, that's we're not
talking about that episode. We're gonna talk

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about this episode. We're gonna play
it real safe right down the line for

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Halloween hornights. We're talking about a
gruesome ax murder of eight people. Yeah,

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love that, Love that. A
lot of axe murders, by the

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way, you did an episode I
believe a couple of years ago, a

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German ax murder. This was just
the time for axe murders. AX murders

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were bucking back then. This is
uh, who's the chick she did the

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ax? Yeah, Lizzie Bordon did
the axe murderers as well. I don't

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know if Lizzy Bordon did those ax
murders. Dude, it wouldn't surprise me.

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Yeah, I mean if she didn't. Well, this specific incident we're

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gonna talk about is still unsolved to
this day. You think you'll ever catch

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the guy, Well, we're gonna
do it today. We're gonna solve this

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mystery today. I think it's just
a drifter. I think it's a nameless

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drifter. There are a lot more
of them that don't spoil the episode,

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just say I like your shot.
Yeah, I like that you're calling it.

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I think it's the baby that band
got right back into a train car

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rode the rails. There is a
hobo yeah, it's gotta be a hobo

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man, Rob for all of you
that are new to the show, licks

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the boots of any empire and just
dunks on poor people, poor people.

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So so of course we're talking about
the famous Velaska axe murders in Iowa.

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Yeah no, I mean I can
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want to murder people. So yes, yeah, it's not all field of

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dream. It's just flat with corn
and hate. And like the thing about

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a place like Iowa or where I
went to school in mid Missouri, where

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like Oklahoma or Kansas is in the
winter, there's nothing to stop the wind.

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I'm sorry, I'm retarded. Veliska, Veliska Iowa. Would you call

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it Velaska? I didn't, I
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like, I'm not anyway. I
think I think we're getting picky. No,

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yeah, talking about calling myself out. Yeah, thank you, Dan.

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But like the winters are so brutal, like it's it's literally just like

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you have nowhere to hide from it. Yeah, no, that's your choice.

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Well this happened in June, Rob, perfect, so I didn't have

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to worry about the winter. June
ninth, nineteen twelve to be exact,

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five flies were out and there was
a hommin in the summer night. Yeah,

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there's just a random Savannah man.
Yeah, I was drift. Yeah,

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it's a very eloquent dragged my axe
to the corn for you, scraping

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on the dirt road, sucking on
a can of beans. So I Vliska.

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I was located roughly about one hundred
miles southwest of des Moines, middle

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of fucking nowhere. Yes, about
to say, I don't know any other

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city in Iowa other than Grand Rapids
and des Moines. So yeah, yeah,

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Like I said, there were eight
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killed a bunch of kids. And
they all had violently as a child

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could die. They all had severe
head wounds from other than lighting a child

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on fire. I do not I
cannot think of a more violent way for

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a child to die. He was
taking full swings, Yeah, you hope

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or honestly, Yeah, we forgot
who killed children? Hannah Dustin. Hannah

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Dustin killed all the kids. Yeah, but it was self defense, revenge,

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rightful revenge, like the most rightful
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Yeah. She she witnessed horrors unspeakable, What do you think decolonization was gonna

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look like smash his baby against the
tree? I mean, fair enough,

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But if that's what decolonization is gonna
look like, I don't think what you're

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gonna like what recolonization looks like.
It's not gonna be fun. History is

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a bloody not ever fun. A
lengthy investigation yielded several suspects, one of

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whom was tried twice. The first
trial ended in a hung jury, and

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the second ended in an acquittal.
It tried twice for the same thing.

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I thought there were laws against that. Yeah, no, no, no,

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no not if not if the jury
can't come to a decision, so

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we'll just redo it. Yeah,
so you can get double jeopardy if you

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get hung. They just have to. It's like if there's a mistrial,

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it's just a redo. Yeah,
okay, huh doesn't normally like just not

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happen the second time, though?
Is that pretty rare? Uh No,

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Danny Masterson just got his first one
was a mistrial. Oh really, they

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couldn't. Just the most of the
jury didn't want to convict, and the

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judge threw it out and did and
retried it. Huh. Interesting, Yeah,

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the poor family that got murdered was
the More family, which consisted of

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parents Joe and Sarah. Joe just
forty three, Sarah's thirty nine. They

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have four children of their own,
Herman Montgomery, Mary Catherine, Arthur Boyd,

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and Paul Vernon. Okay, and
I believe there were what two unfortunate

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slumber partiers. Yep, never,
Oh god, i'd he's so fucking mad

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if I got killed at someone else's
house. Yeaph Mary Catherine Moore invited Ina

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May and Lena Gertrude Stillinger. See, before you could watch scary movies at

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a slumber party. You just lived
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Well, I mean you had to. That's where all the scary movies

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came from. Right, If this
didn't happen, you wouldn't have scary movies.

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So after their church program ended at
nine thirty pm, Jesus some Moors.

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Was it like a Stillinger sister walked
to the Moor's house between anywhere from

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nine to ten pm. Was it
a a church service or like a church

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like get together? It was like
a children's day program. Yeah, yeah,

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so it was like it wasn't like
it wasn't like service that way,

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right right, Okay, no,
but they for sure were still doing God

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stuff. Oh I mean, well, yeah, it's you ever go to

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like CCD or like after school care
for with like a religious lean to it.

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Uh No, I'd imagine it's like
that. Yeah. I actually did

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go to a Baptist summer camp one
time. They just were really well reviewed.

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I guess, yeah whatever in Florida, and like, I don't remember

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anything churchy, but we watched a
fuck ton of edge details. Oh we.

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Rory's first daycare was at a Baptist
church. It was like two days

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a week, and they were great. All the people were great and everything

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like that. But like everything,
all the artwork he would bring home would

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have like a little Bible verse on
it, although it was like the most

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innocuous Bible verse. It was like
Jesus loved his friends or whatever, you

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know what I mean. I remember
one of our friends was like, what's

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with all the biblely stuff on your
fridge? Because we put the artwork on

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the fridge, And I was like, I don't think it's really problematic Bible

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versus name names, which who.
It was just like the most innocuatship.

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But one time I dropped ory off
and all the kids were crying and she

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was singing. One of the teachers
like singing a song. But it was

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like, Jesus me this, I
know, kids kept crying. Yeah whatever.

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But as a child going to like
a summer camp at my Catholic school

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for like a week, we made
eu christ homemade. You made them,

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We made the uchris, you made
the waffle, the wafer, and we

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watched a bunch of veggietails of vegetails. I shall never in my life watched

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veggietails. I did not go to
a non religious school until I was eighteen

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years old. Dude, veggietails is
trash. Yeah, it's stupid. Honestly,

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every time I am around non Catholic
shit, like other religion, other

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Christian religions so religious centric. Whereas
like when I was in like I never

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remember even talking about Jesus in like
my Catholic preschool. Yeah, oh I

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do, I remember none telling me
I was going to Hell because I was

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going to public high school. Oh
well that's accurate. Yeah. Oh,

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you don't want to give your money
to the church, you get your Hell

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education. This goes down the night
of June ninth, next day. Mary

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Peckham, then Moore's neighbor, became
concerned after she noticed the family had not

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come out to do their morning chores. The Moors aren't choring today, that's

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concerning. It's more like it.
But she's more like it's an hoa situations

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like Moore's grass is a quarter inch
too high. Yeah, yeah, he

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didn't have his wife and daughters up
working at six am. That's a fine.

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She knocked on the Moor's door,
nobody answered. Peckham let the Moor's

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chickens out and called Rossmore, Josiah's
brother. Like Peckham, Moore received no

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response when he knocked on the door
and unlocked the door himself with a copy

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of his house key. Interesting,
I'm taking note of that. Mm Why

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his fucking brother has a key to
the house. Yes, I gotta know

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who has access to the house.
In an investigation, He first opened the

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guest room, where he found Ana
and Lena's bodies on the bed. Just

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smashed a ship, I imagine.
I guess they weren't alive. No,

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so More immediately told Beckham to call
Henry Hank Horton, the primary peace officer

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of the region, who ripped Shortly
thereafter, Horton's search of the house revealed

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that the entire More family and the
two still injured girls had been bludgeoned to

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death. When you say call,
what are they on phones at this point?

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Or did she have to go just
run off and call and afore him?

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Nineteen twelve, you get up on
a you gotta just get up on

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a hill. Yeah, I don't
really. I mean, the phone was

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the phone was invented. I'm just
wondering if this part of the country,

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Iowa, middle of Iowa, was
rolling. I can't imagine. There's a

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lot of phone lines back then,
but it's not. I don't think it

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matters either way. I'm curious.
It's kind of a funny visual. If

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she had to like run to call
for him, it's like, great Haulton,

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it'd be funny if she was just
like, oh my god, there's

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something wrong. I'll go right right
away, and he's just like you you

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can take your time's you can watch. Or she ran there and then she's

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out of breath trying to tell the
officer what happened. But she's like,

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spit it up, lady, all
dead. He's like, all right,

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well, we'll walk back. That'd
be funny. It's be like, how

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fast do you need me to go? Like, is it like it's anyone

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in trouble immediately or is it just
like someone needs to see this in the

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next two hours. The two hours, the murder, weapon and acts belonging

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to Josiah was found in the guest
room where the Stillinger girls were found.

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Doctors concluded that the murders had taken
place between midnight and five am. They

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found two spent cigarettes in the attic. Oh, they had someone living up

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there, suggesting that the killer or
killers patiently waited in the attic until the

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more family and the still in your
guess we're asleep. You think they're just

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hanging out down there the night of
like, man, who's ripping heaters out

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here? Well, unless you know
Papa Moore was ripping a pipe all nine

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or something true. But I mean, like the kids smoking in their rims

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right now, Like maybe, well
let's a sleepover, honey, let them

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let the girls smoke their cigarettes.
Yeah, they've got to grow up sometime.

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What Uh, I have a second
So I still think it's a drifter.

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However, I do have a second
opinion, like a backup murder suicide.

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The father did it. He asked
himself to death of the just looking

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down a fucking axe and throwing it
at your face. Why do you say

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that? Because Josiah received more blowish
than the acts than any other victim.

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I don't think it was him a
lot of self loathing. Actually, it

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took more time, you know,
it took a lot of time to like

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hit himself. Yeah, that's why. I don't know if I said this

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on air, but that's why I
was saying. I said this once.

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Like the like the reason there's almost
no suice with like rifles and shotguns is

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because with a handgun, you can
just put it to the side. You

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don't even see it, you know, you just pick it up and do

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it. But with a rifle or
something, you put it, you're putting

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it in your mouth, putting your
toe on the trigger, and at some

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point you're like, oh whoa,
this is like and you're just like looking

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down the bear like, oh boy, oh man, that's a big gun.

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Yeah, oh I'm putting it in
my mouth. Ah, I don't

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know, sounds like I you've done
this before, nah, okay, not

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to myself. What. Yeah,
he actually murdered Kurt Cobain. Yeah,

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it's like, all right, Kurt, me and Courtney Love. Huh,

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here's all the heroin Where were you
that night? Nineteen ninety four? Um,

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who knows? Man? Probably University
City, Missouri, like eight eight

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year old rob in a very adult
Courtney Love just conspiring in an attic.

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It kind of checks Garden House.
If someone was gonna if anyone from any

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nineties rock star was gonna molest a
kid, it's Corney Love. Yeah,

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in like a Lena Dunham kind of
way. What do you not? Never

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mind, I'm not even going to
that, okay, yeah, oh yeah,

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yeah were she did her sister?
Yeah, but they were both kids,

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and but then she wrote about it. She put it in her book.

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I think didn't have to report.
No, I've been just coming out

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in favor of every celebrity rapist's kind
of is there something with Amy Schumer?

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What is there something with Amy Schumer
too? She's in Hamas, Oh yeah

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that makes sense. Yeah, no, she's Jewish. I know. It's

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fun, that's crazy and stuff.
Yeah, the most self loaths That was

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a South Park episode though. It's
like with the one who who uh uh

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fucking worshiped the guy from puhim o
haymn And what effector you of Judaism because

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they're all like this with that,
he's like the So the killer or killers

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began in the master bedroom where Josiah
and Sarah Moore were sleeping. Josiah,

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like I said, received more blows
to the face than any other victim,

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and he had been cut to such
an extent that his eyes were missing.

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Ooh, where'd they go in?
Oh? No, clever part. He

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only used the blade against Josiah and
Sarah. Would he use the handle the

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blunt end of the hammer end?
Yes, for the rest of the victims.

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Everybody else was bludgeing to death while
the parents were cut to death.

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Was the axe? I mean,
look, at some point it's gonna dull

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a little bit. It's gonna dull. But I think it's the efficiency of

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killing the adults, like making sure
you don't have someone that can stop.

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Yeah, you have to make sure
the adults are done. Also, apparently

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they were all asleep. That's one
of the things, like these kind of

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murders where I'm just like, no
one's waking up the ball house, no

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one's waking up. I've looked at
it to a tiny house. You would

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hear it, Yeah, you would
hear someone getting acts to death. Well,

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the other with the other dude is
like, the wife is right next

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to him. Yeah, so she's
gonna wake up immediately at the back the

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squish, Yeah, you're not gonna
wake up. I mean my wife would

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wake up immediately. My wife wakes
up when I just like roll over.

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Yeah, so parents get it first. They then move on and kill herman,

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Mary, Catherine, Arthur, and
Paul, bludging them to death.

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So all the moors wiped out.
Good job. They then returned to the

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master bedroom to inflict more blows on
the elder moors. So this almost seems

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vendetta you Now that seems a little
proud. Did they know what is the

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forensic situation at this time that they
knew he zero? Yeah? How do

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they know he did the others and
then went back? And I mean,

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I guess they're probably good at figure
out like meat cuts. I'm imagining there's

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a lot of blood. There's probably
like some foot trail too. Uh yeah,

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that could be it, yeah,
or it's I gotta imagine they start

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with cuts, goes to bludging,
then maybe more bludgeoning. No, they

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bring in like a ben Wa Blanc
to solve the mystery, you know,

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yeah, Oh he didn't. They
were murdered by X. I got hold

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on. Go ahead, this drift
though, I want us to think he's

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a drift. I don't bottle.
Actually it was the baby. It's the

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baby. Baby, it was biby, it was it was the baby.

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Actually baby has killed somebody. Yeah, with a gun. Yeah. Didn't

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get canceled for that, no,
no, no, no, got canceled

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for saying a hard af hey man, sometimes you gotta drop someone in a

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Walmart. I don't think he said
hard f. I think he was just

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talking about how like gay people get
aids all the time. Probably on the

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stage. He was like, can't
you gotta be watched out? Can't we

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have a gayste because you'll get aids. He was just like it was on

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it like eighth blunt during a concert
and again that people were like, you

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bastarded monster. Meanwhile he's like literally
taken a life and wraps about it.

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He's like, I take I would
do it again. Oh you sillida baby.

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Yeah, I wouldn't even trying to
cancel a murderer for Yeah, if

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you get, if you get,
if you don't get canceled for murder.

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Can't do anything right, You can't
touch me. Now I'm gonna dance.

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He then goes downstairs to the guest
bedroom, killing Ana and Lina. He

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then leaves a four pound slab of
bacon taking out of the ice box and

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puts it next to the axe.
I don't know if this is symbolic card.

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Yeah, he's the four pound slab
of bacon axe murder. He actually

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checks the icebox make sure he has
bacon. Yeah, right, he was

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up there for weeks until he knew
they bought bacon. Oh maybe he was

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Jewish. He was like knew it. Also, four pounds of bacon,

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is that's a lot of lot until
you got six kids or four kids,

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kids and two adults. I mean
that's still a lot of bacon. Club,

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Yeah, what are you doing with
all that bacon? After the search?

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The reason it's so hard to fucking
find who committed this murder because it's

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nineteen twelve, they're in the middle
of nowhere. Well, they just let

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the town in and kind of investigate
themselves. Completely contaminated in the weapon.

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People were just picking up the acts. Oh heavy, what is there to

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contaminate well, fingerprinting doesn't even exist. It does, I does fingerprints.

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They have fingerprinting, but but there's
not much of a database. Oh but

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I mean like there is no that's
it. It's your fingerprinting, right.

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Maybe I don't even know if they
have blood splatter yet. But yeah,

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like they didn't start using like DNA
or anything until I think like the late

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eighties. No, no, I
mean, yeah, maybe it started in

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the late a's. But that was
a big plot point. Well I assume

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it was a big thing in the
actual trial too, But it was a

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big plot point in the O.
J. Simpson trial is that there was

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a fair amount of DNA evidence that
he did it, but DNA evidence was

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so new that the jury was kind
of like real lit audn't see. But

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yeah, but there was anyway,
one of the plot points in the one

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with Cubugating Junior and that really great
FX series, yeah, was that after

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the DNA evidence came out, all
of OJ's friends except for Robert Kardashian,

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stopped like showing up to support him. And even Robert Kardashian kind of figured

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at this point because they were like
a little more sophisticated than the average person

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they're all really wealthy. And then
once they saw that, like the d

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the science was backing up, the
DNA evidence was backing up that he did

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it, they just were like,
Okay, well I can't They probably show

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two seconds to read about it.
Yeah, they're like, oh yeah,

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it was still so new that the
he wasn't into it, and the prosecution

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the defense was able to make me
a lot of it, to make it

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like able to kind of undercut it
the way they that the way that the

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defense team would not be able to
do that. Now, you know what's

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crazy is like, especially with stuff
like that, the polygraph used to be

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so much more of a oh they
lied on a polygraphe and it's like now

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it's like you can't you get that
ship thrown out? I mean, it's

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meaningless. It's it's dude, the
guy's nervous, Like it's you might as

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well just say you read his horoscope. Yeah, pretty much. It's like,

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oh, he clenched his butt at
the wrong time and figured it out,

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Like good job. Listen. They
might Now with the horoscope, they

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might it's so broad that just bring
in the right crystals. You're in areas.

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Huh, what day was the murder. Oh, you had a lot

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of violent, passionate anger. On
June ninth, bro Neptune was in a

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certain place in the sky that would
preclude you to uh bludgeon eight children to

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death with an axe. I'm surprised
you didn't use it try death, So

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that's Skitterers believe that all the victims
except Lena were asleep when murdered. They

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thought that she was awakened and tried
to fight back, as she was found

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with a defensive wound on her arm. She actually defended herself, well kind

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of kind of. I mean,
she's only so much she can do.

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Lock. Yeah, yeah, it's
really it's like putting in your hand in

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front of a gun, right,
It's like which they find a lot.

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Yeah, she is twelve, so
yeah, unfortunate. They also believed at

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first that she might have been sexually
molested, as her nightgown was pushed up

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and there was no undergarments underneath,
but this was later proven false. Few

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granted, like, if somebody actually
did try to rape her, I feel

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like that'd be an easier way to
solve it. What if someone raped her

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in nineteen twelve, if they have
fingerprints, I feel like you could easily

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find something, I guess, but
you're not gonna match it to anyone.

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Yeah, this smells like that drifters, sperm the bloodhounds. Like he comes

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bringing the sperm hounds. Yeah,
he comes in an old bucket and then

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the hounds smell her and then smell
what's in the bucket. Yeah, I

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don't this is That is as much
as they can test semen. In nineteen

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twelve, the hound test the dog
knows it smells like come over time,

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many possible suspects emerged. Josiah Moore
worked for a man by the name of

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Frank Jones at the Jones Store for
several years until he opened his own competitive

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company in nineteen oh eight. Jones
also held a state Senate seat at the

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time. It was extremely upset that
Josiah Moore had left his employment and took

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his biggest client, John Deereway.
Oh now, I had read that this

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person actually screamed at him, I'll
kill you with an axe, you pig.

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He dropped the pig in there.
But I do you still think it

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was a drifter Bacon connection? Yeah, I mean that, damn damn God.

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Yeah, Like I didn't see that, but uh sounds good. It's

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open and shut. What a thing
to yell it. I'll kill you with

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an ax. He's spelled pig with
the bacon on the floor of the home.

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There were also rumors that Josiah Moore
had an affair with Jones's daughter in

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law, Donna, a daughter in
law. Yeah, okay, so he's

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he's cocking his son. Yeah,
that would be it. They don't believe

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00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Frank at first would have committed the
murder himself. But yeah, yeah,

405
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,519
like I hired somebody to do it
a hit, right, Frank's not living

406
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,400
in an attic for for a state
senitor, is not holding up in an

407
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,599
attic with a pack of smokes.
Yeah. No, the drifter he hired

408
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,640
to do it might hired gun or
hired acts rather, I guess in this

409
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,200
situation is definitely just hanging out ripping
heaters like that. That's such a hit

410
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:04,720
man move, just like enter William
Mansfield of Blue Island, Illinois. He

411
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:11,079
was the prime suspect at first of
the Burns Detective Agency in Kansas City and

412
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:18,480
Detective James Newton Wilkerson. Mansfield was
also known as George Warley and Jack Turnball.

413
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:22,400
Okay, so two other identities for
this guy. Not a good start.

414
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,240
I feel like it is typically usually
the first or second person that is

415
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:34,359
suspected. Yeah you think that.
Why? Just just I don't know,

416
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,359
like people closest, people closest to
like I mean, I don't know if

417
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,720
this detective knew what he was doing. According to Wilkerson, Mansfield was a

418
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:51,200
cocaine fiend and axe raged psychopath.
I went over to his house the other

419
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,359
day and he was just blowing lines
and swinging an axe around. I got

420
00:30:53,480 --> 00:31:00,079
explains to cigarettes man, that's hilarious
that there's just just a hit man in

421
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,680
their attic, blasting off and ripping
heaters, just waiting to get a hold

422
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,759
of the axe. Where'd they keep
the axe, by the way, because

423
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,759
he would have had to go probably
all the way downstairs, maybe even outside,

424
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:17,480
grab the axe, and then go
back upstairs and start wailing on the

425
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,559
mom and dad. Well, he
got the axe. It's Josiah's axe,

426
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,000
I know. So he was waiting
in the attic before they got there,

427
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:26,519
I know, but he did take
the axe with him. Probably Okay,

428
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,799
probably he probably got the axe before
they got back. But I mean,

429
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,200
wouldn't they maybe notice if the axe
was gone? If they keep it in

430
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,240
a certain place. What do you
think he chops would at night? No,

431
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,839
it probably wasn't like the shed or
something. Okay, well that's what

432
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,319
I'm wondering. That's why I'm asking
where the axe was kept. Sounds like

433
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,519
you're victim blaming here. I am
victim blaze. Yeah, why didn't they

434
00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,880
notice the axe? Miss? Don't
start your own business? You think his

435
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,359
first thought when he woke up to
the axe being swung in his face,

436
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,359
like, Oh, there it is, That's where I left it. Wilkerson

437
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,839
believed uh Mansfield was responsible for the
axe murders of his wife, infant,

438
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,079
child, father in law, and
mother in law and Island, Illinois on

439
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,000
July fifth, fourteen. He had
other people that were axe murdered two years

440
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:13,079
after this. Huh, the axe
murders committed in Kansas, four days before

441
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,319
Feliska murders, and the murders of
Jenny Peterson and Jenny Miller in Aurora,

442
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,400
Colorado. So this guy started connecting
dots and saw a lot of similarities between

443
00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:25,599
all the different murders. So we
might have a serial act. Isn't this

444
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,359
the drifter or is this the hit
man? This is the hit man Okay,

445
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,160
I think it's a little bit of
a little bit of b Wilkerson managed

446
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,240
to convince a grand jury to open
an investigation in nineteen sixteen, and Mansfield

447
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:44,079
was arrested and brought to Montgomery County
from Kansas City. Payroll records, however,

448
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:50,759
provided the alibi and place Manfield in
Illinois at the time. He just

449
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,559
working for who, Yeah, he
just had a payroll stuff. It was

450
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,839
just like, hey, look,
I was in fucking Illinois at the time.

451
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,440
Doesn't mean anything. It doesn't doesn't
mean it, like, you can

452
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:05,240
make a check. Go. It's
so easy to get away with murder back

453
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:10,720
then, everything really everything. Yeah, well coke was legal, so get

454
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,240
away with that. Yeah, I
mean, that's weird, but not illegal.

455
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,160
He was released for lack of evidence
and later won a lawsuit he brought

456
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:23,640
against Wilkerson and awarded tw and twenty
five dollars for a vindictive son of a

457
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,759
bitch. This guy was on a
he's just heat checking at that point when

458
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,839
he was awarded, He's like,
that's more than double what I made for

459
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,240
the hit defamation. He just gets
paid. It's getting paid twice for the

460
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,359
same murder. Look. I assume
his name was all over the papers for

461
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,319
that trial, so definitely, Wilkerson
believed that the pressure from Jones resulted not

462
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:49,319
only in Mansfield's release, but also
in uh the subsequent arrest and trial of

463
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:57,279
the next suspect. Next up,
we got Reverend Kelly What the Presbyterian reverend.

464
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:04,039
He's a traveling preacher. Kelly and
his wife settled in Macedonia, Iowa,

465
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,159
in nineteen twelve after several years up
pressing throughout the Midwest. In nineteen

466
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:13,320
seventeen, Kelly was arrested and charged
with the murder of one of the victims

467
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,440
of the axe murderers. Just one, just one. He just be funny,

468
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,800
but he did just do one.
Like he walks in and like they

469
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,400
they both just see each other.
He's like, I'm here for the girl

470
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,760
that's sleeping over and he's like,
okay, I'm here for the family.

471
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:31,760
Yeah, well there's one extra.
Yeah, I'll take I mean a Bogo's

472
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,599
like, hey, you ax murdering
in here. I've been dying to get

473
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:40,239
that one. God damn Like like
your work man. Kelly was invited to

474
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,960
attend the Children's Day exercises at the
Presbyterian Church on June ninth, nineteen twelve.

475
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,000
His presence in Veliska on the night
of the murders and his subsequential departure

476
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,880
in the early morning hours on June
tenth made him a prime suspect because I

477
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,880
don't know, seems like he was
U only been here for a day and

478
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,280
then he left. And never trust
a drifter. Yeah, traveling people never

479
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,159
trust, do we honestly though,
it is almost inherent in society. I

480
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,719
wonder if let's get deep for a
second here, I wonder if that is

481
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:20,360
our pastoralist DNA or or society situation. Oh, we don't trust nomads.

482
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,360
We don't trust herders and stuff like
that. Yeah, because think about like

483
00:35:23,639 --> 00:35:30,199
any traveling person is immediately not trusted
quote unquote drifter, a nomad like in

484
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,199
that movie that came out like a
year or two ago with that actress.

485
00:35:35,519 --> 00:35:37,360
Yeah, you know what I'm talking
about, No, mad, I think

486
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,840
it is called nomad. Yeah,
although in Viking culture sometimes they considered uh,

487
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,800
drifters that come into their like little
fishing villages and everything. Uh,

488
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,079
kind of like a physical form of
gods. Okay, well, so the

489
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,920
the opposite of that, they thought
like Odin or Thor would just take human

490
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:59,800
form and show up, show up
as a drifter and fuck their wives imagine

491
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,599
or just man, what a great
time to be a hobo, right time

492
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:08,440
and place. Oh there's also like
you know Gypsy's carnies. Yeah, I

493
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:12,760
wonder if that's our little like it's
got to be farming DNA. Well think

494
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,719
about it just from like a lizard
brain perspective. It's like, all right,

495
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,920
there's finite resources, new person here. What do they want? Right?

496
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,519
Like? How do we have to
provide for them? How can they

497
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,519
provide for themselves? Are they gonna
take from us and they're gonna eat before

498
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:29,880
they even work? And you like
to think somebody you live amongst is in

499
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,760
capable of something this horrific. Right, of course, it's it's convenient too

500
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,639
to blame it, because it's like
your social fabric gets fucked Otherwise. Kelly's

501
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,760
first trial resulted in hung Jerry,
like I said, and he was finally

502
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,639
quitted on the second. I don't
think he'd do it. He didn't do

503
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:50,519
it. I don't think so either. He's out for me. It's just

504
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:52,480
an odd one too. It's like
we're only charging him with one of these.

505
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,480
I think it was the guy that
was in town for all those other

506
00:36:55,559 --> 00:37:00,239
axe murders, the guy, the
cocaine fiend, axe swinger, yeah,

507
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:05,320
the coke addict, the one that
has other charges of or I guess a

508
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,320
conviction. Rather, it probably always
needs money for coke. Yeah. One

509
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,639
of my favorite things in Deadwood was
and this is that's around the same time

510
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:17,679
for thirty years apart, how Al
sweer Engine would be like, you want

511
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,800
money or you want dope, like
for payment of his criminals that he would

512
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,599
have give me to pay your money
or dope or pussy. Yeah, I

513
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:30,679
would have been like, uh,
thirds, give it me in thirds,

514
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,079
yeah, one of each. Yeah, yeah, I mean all the money

515
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:37,280
is going to go on the other
two, right, Yeah, I guess

516
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,320
Just give me the money and I'll
figure out what I want to pay for.

517
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:44,800
Yeah, let's get to the next
suspect. Maybe it'll change your mind.

518
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,440
Okay. Henry Moore no relation to
Joe Moore, so no relation to

519
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:58,639
this family, was uh suspected of
this and potentially being the serial killer responsible

520
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,519
of like a dozen other axe murders. God damn a lot of axe murdering

521
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,280
this time. So Henry Moore was
actually convicted of the murders of his mother

522
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:13,760
and maternal grandmother in Columbia, Missouri. Oh hey, let's go shout out

523
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,960
como. I gotta look this guy
up real quick. You know. It's

524
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,320
interesting that they're like, oh,
it's very similar. It's like, is

525
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,159
there like a less violent way to
kill someone with an axe? Yeah,

526
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,559
they're like, oh, what one
slice on that one? Different kind of

527
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,199
strokes you're taking with the paint brush. Yeah, it's like this guy's got

528
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,599
like some panache, you know,
he like takes a clean swing. Everyone

529
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:35,679
else messy. This guy's a surgeon
with the axe, you know. Yeah,

530
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,719
you don't want to be like a
fucking brute. No, that's uugh.

531
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,199
Be an artiste. So just so
ghost to swing as hard as you

532
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:50,239
can. Henry Moore, Sir.
Thirty six years of a life sentence before

533
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,000
being parolled by the Governor of Missouri
on December two, nineteen forty nine,

534
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:59,519
for the murder of his mom.
What who is the governor and grandmother?

535
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:06,039
I don't know. This seems like
you should have to apologize for that.

536
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,159
Yeah, that's what I do.
Those are your people. Yeah, there's

537
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,239
like a murderer out, a man
that murdered his mom and grandmother. Yeah,

538
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,320
this is what he looks like.
He looks like a guy that would

539
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:22,000
do it. He's got decent hair. Yeah, he here cuts fucking bananas.

540
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,880
I don't know what y'all you're talking
about. I mean, it's he

541
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,440
has a lot of it. It's
just like, what is that style?

542
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,440
So apparently, he says on his
Wikipedia. Although described as a friendly looking

543
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:36,320
man, he had a morbid habit
of visit This is early life, by

544
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,199
the way, early life and first
imprisonment. Okay, had a morbid habit

545
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,320
of visiting various morgues in Saint Louis
with the purpose of looking at the bodies.

546
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,599
Uh. He also collected newspaper scraps
from famous criminal cases. Was this

547
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,920
in your outline? Okay? God
damn, yeah, Hey, what do

548
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,559
you want here? I just want
to look at the bodies. I won't

549
00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:00,079
touch him or nothing, all right. He actually ends up servant until I

550
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:05,559
believe nineteen fifty six. But Henry
Moore was eighty two years old and they

551
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:08,360
let him out and he lived out
the rest of his life, apparently at

552
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,079
the Salvation Army Center in Saint Louis. I know exactly where that is.

553
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,760
Huh yeah, interesting. Yeah,
So they could never connect him to this

554
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,119
murder. But they were like,
well, we got him for one certain

555
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:23,280
we put him away long enough that
he's not going to do it. He's

556
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,320
eighty two, yep. So what
do you guys think of him as a

557
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:31,119
potential suspect. Pretty good, pretty
drifty, I think, regardless of if

558
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:37,320
he did this one. God,
he hangs out at the morgue. It's

559
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,760
not a good look, my guy. Next up, we probably have the

560
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,519
leader in the clubhouse. In Rob's
mind, I don't know. This guy's

561
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:46,400
literally a fucking drifter right here.
He just wanders around. Well, no,

562
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:51,079
this is literally a traveling hobo,
okay partly? Yeah, then Andy

563
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:57,079
Sawyer, Andy Sawyer, Mister Sawyer
was clean shaven and wearing a brown suit

564
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:01,360
when he arrived. Classier homeless people
back then. Yeah, it's you know,

565
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,440
it's probably a suit with some holes
in it, some wear, but

566
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,280
they're still wearing a suit. Shoes
were covered in mud. Pants were nearly

567
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:15,519
wet to the knees. O what
wet to the knees? Yeah, walking

568
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:22,000
around ponds. This guy came from
a fucking bog, Like, what's he

569
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:25,559
doing? Wandered out of the swamp, got my swampsuit on. Today?

570
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,519
He asked for employment in town,
and mister Dyer, a local farmer,

571
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:36,280
need an extra man, and gave
him a spot. Uh. Mister Dyer

572
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,719
testified that later mister Sawyer purchased a
newspaper, which he went off to read

573
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,639
by himself. The newspaper carried a
front page account of the murders, and

574
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:52,320
according to Dyer, Sawyer was much
interested in it. Well, yeah,

575
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,159
I don't think that's a a fault. I think it's funny. It was

576
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,199
just like list the reasons people were
suspicious. Yeah, that horrible dude he

577
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:09,639
was he was he going like that
guy must have been a genius. That

578
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,559
guy must have been so cool.
I don't know, man, he sounded

579
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,199
like handsome and rich. Dier's crew
complained that Sawyer slept with his clothes on

580
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:24,079
and was anxious to be by himself, ready to go at any time.

581
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:29,320
I guess yes. They were also
uneasy about the fact that Sawyer slept with

582
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:36,320
his axe, and often fair the
newspaper not a hard cell, but the

583
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,199
guy that literally sweeps sleeps with an
axe might be a little off, and

584
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,760
often talked about the murders and whether
or not a killer had been apprehended and

585
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,000
who have been caught yet. Okay, you guys, did you hear about

586
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:52,320
that? Do you remember that really
hot killer with the act who have been

587
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,920
taken down for that yet? Like
what do you talk? I mean there

588
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,239
was a killer. I don't think
anyone said he was handsome. Just think

589
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,320
about it. It's definitely like like
it was a crazy all hands to he

590
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:06,639
was oh like, I mean,
people were kind of like wishing they got

591
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,440
killed by him, trying to look
up what he looks like. Well,

592
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:16,159
there's my favorite like portrayal of the
axe murderer. I'll just try to find

593
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,880
it. I'm listening. But it's
just there's a funny portrayal of him that

594
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,920
I just like to imagine as him. And that's why I always say it's

595
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,960
a drifter because I as soon as
I saw this picture for the first time

596
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,239
years ago, I was like,
yep, that chucks out sometimes, like

597
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,039
have you actually heard about this?
Like there's a look to pedophiles, Like

598
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:39,599
there's an actual facial look really like
they're like they're like you know like sometimes

599
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,079
like yeah, that guy looks like
a pedophile. It's like there's actually like

600
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,800
a vibe they're like when you see
it's not like a confirmation bias thing.

601
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,159
They're like, no, like I
don't know if they they can't like use

602
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:53,320
it to obviously predict anything. There's
just weird looking people sometimes. Yeah,

603
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,800
but like I gotta figure I gotta
look into that. I'll figure out all

604
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,719
right here it is. This always
cracks me up, and I'm like,

605
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:07,239
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it's hot. That's how you know
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how could I done it if I
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rubbing his head with both hands,
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front of him. Hum huh huh
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I don't know, it's not certain. There's so many good suspects.

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It muddies the waters. Yeah.
Dire Son j R. Also testified

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he would show where the man was
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out there. Yeah, I mean
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him. It's the drifter. It's
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half blocks away where exactly where the

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ground north of the impactment would be. He then said, look on the

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the murder stepped into the creek,
and uh, this is the gentleman that

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had the wet pants and the muddy
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circumstantial, unfortunately. But he's like, if you see you over there,

788
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that tree stump, that is actually
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arrested the same night in a different
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what the fuck? Oh he's just
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weirdo. This is like that show, uh fuck man, what was it

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of hated that show, but I

806
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,880
enjoyed it. I thought it was
good. Jason Bateman getting taken down in

807
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,480
the first episode for like, damn
it. I wanted more hymn. Yeah,

808
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,559
because every one was all hot on
O's ark at the time. Yeah,

809
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,599
yeah, but that was I loved. I thought the show was great.

810
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,719
Uh yeah, pretty good, that's
all right. We had two unrelated

811
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:24,880
confessions. Of course, I hate
stolen whatever, the opposite of Valerius stolen

812
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,519
credit. Honestly, though, to
them it is stolen valor. Oh totally

813
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,480
so yeah. Well and to the
people trying to steal the valor, yeah

814
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:38,639
what like what, it's even worse
to me than doing the crime somehow,

815
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:45,679
it's like you just want credit,
yeah for this check out. Though these

816
00:57:45,719 --> 00:57:47,639
are a little odd. These are
a little off, of course they are.

817
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:52,960
They're confessions to murders, one of
which is on a deathbed. Okay,

818
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:59,559
that's different. So a reverend in
Oklahoma, JJ Burris declared that a

819
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:02,960
man whose name he was unable to
recall, weird. Just you're gonna give

820
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
the last rites, But I asked
for the man's name. Yeah, that's

821
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:14,920
weird, had a bedside confession where
he said he committed the murders. Okay,

822
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:17,800
whatever, the clergyman said. The
man told him that he was living

823
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:23,760
in town the time of the murder
and formerly had been engaged in the blacksmith

824
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:30,800
business there. Okay, blacksmith acts. So they kind of limited it down

825
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,920
and they just couldn't come up with
any you know, who else was a

826
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,039
blacksmith? Who our boy from Como. I read that on his Wikipedia page.

827
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,760
He worked as a blacksmith in Mobert
Lee, Missouri. Mm, this

828
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,199
isn't him or no, they don't
know who it is, right, Yeah,

829
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,679
I'm named so well the preacher didn't
remember, Yeah, so could it?

830
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,639
I guess no, because Homie lived
pretty long. He lived till he's

831
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,960
eighty two. Well, yeah,
the preacher die though this confession was long

832
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:07,679
before that. The guy, the
guy from Columbia, forget his name,

833
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:08,760
but he died in nineteen fifty six. I think we said, right,

834
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,280
yeah, so this was before that, Okay, okay, got it.

835
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,880
Well, No, he got out
of jail in nineteen fifty six and he

836
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,719
lived longer. They don't know when
he died, okay, but they do

837
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,480
know that he lived at the Salvation
Army. Yeah, in downtown. Next

838
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:29,320
up, Detroit, March twenty eighth, nineteen thirty one. George Myers,

839
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:35,800
forty eight, prisoner in County jail, awaited sentencing for burglary. He confessed

840
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:39,000
to the axe murder of six people
a man, his wife, and his

841
00:59:39,079 --> 00:59:47,320
four children in the same town eighteen
years ago. Wait six listened to But

842
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,599
that that actually confirms our theory of
to two axes, buddy, axe murders.

843
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,039
Yeah, like just people appreciating each
other's work man, nothing like it.

844
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,480
But his confession was after five hours
of being grilled by two different detectives.

845
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:07,840
Ye confess who had received an anonymous
tip by letter to check up on

846
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,079
the prisoner. Yeah, yeah,
that's that's the No, no, no,

847
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,800
that's not it. They sent his
fingerprints to the sheriff of Montgomery County

848
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,280
and they checked to see if the
match with the scene of the crime.

849
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,000
They did not. No matches,
So we got two potential just lies just

850
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:31,039
muddy in the waters even more man
and we have so many suspects, but

851
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:37,639
it gets unsolved. It's a cold
case today. The Vliska Axe Murderhouse serves

852
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:42,920
as a paranormal hotel, of course
does, where groups of six or fewer

853
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:49,480
can pay four hundred and twenty eight
dollars a night with kind of very low

854
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,199
accommodations. You have to bring your
own sleeping bag for the most part.

855
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:57,000
In there, you just go to
see if you can you can hear the

856
01:00:57,039 --> 01:01:00,079
people, hear the family get murdered. But I don't want to do that.

857
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:07,199
I don't won on the Experienced,
No. Two on the location hard

858
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,199
No. A lot of ghost hunters
go there. We're just a lot of

859
01:01:09,199 --> 01:01:13,440
those shows. Yeah, but is
it even purported to be haunted. That's

860
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,480
why we want to go to Gettysburg
because there's reports of like a report,

861
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,719
but they don't really know who it
is, whether it's the ax murderer or

862
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,639
the people get I don't chopped up, not that I know how ghosts work

863
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,840
or anything, but I don't think
the axe murder would be there. Oh

864
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,599
man, can I tell you guys
the Halloween thing I watched today? Real

865
01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,840
quick? Yeah, that's just as
dark as wanting to go hang out with

866
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,239
dead children fucking in Villiska. Yeah, what's up? I turned it on

867
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:45,039
for Rory. Great start. It's
like a kid's movie. It's like a

868
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:49,559
little kids movie. And it started
Harland what's his name? The guy who

869
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:57,480
goes to jail and the Dave Chappelle
movie Half Baked, Half Bake. Yeah,

870
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,000
the guy who goes to jail on
Half Baked. Anyway, it's like

871
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:05,199
a movie with like talking dogs.
Okay, the whole plot is like there's

872
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,760
humans, but the dogs talk to
At the beginning, it's like nineteen thirty

873
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:15,320
seven, and this warlock is ritualistically
sacrificing puppies to bring a dog from hell

874
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:20,480
sick. Okay, I'm into the
show already. And then they all die,

875
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,519
but one of the dog's spirit doesn't
totally cross over, so the dog's

876
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:27,639
ghosts just haunts the house and he's
like trying, like the little boy that

877
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,719
owns him is like sad that he
dies, but the and then so the

878
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,840
dog's ghost just stays there. And
then the other dogs that can talk in

879
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:37,760
present day twenty eleven like go into
the house on a dare and then they

880
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,360
see the ghost dog and then the
plot unfolds from there. But literally,

881
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:45,920
like the first ten minutes is like
a warlock killing puppies to bring a dog

882
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:51,079
out from hell? That is what
was that rated? Gee? It's on

883
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:54,199
Disney Plus. I mean Corella Deville
wants to just skin dog. Say,

884
01:02:54,920 --> 01:03:00,239
that's very different though, like she
just wants to make a coat, don't

885
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:04,000
want to bring a hell hound out. I think that's worse. It's more

886
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:07,199
flippant, more superficial. You're probably
right, you know what I mean.

887
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:12,599
At least the warlock had like a
grand plan. What was the plan after

888
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,719
he gets the dog from hell?
He screamed at everyone in the town when

889
01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:19,719
they were trying to arrest and that
he was gonna make them his slaves.

890
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:25,239
So use the dog to enslave them
to slave a small town somewhere. You

891
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:34,960
try that in a small town,
Oh my god. So, rather than

892
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,400
ask who today's hitler is, because
we don't really know, we're gonna do

893
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,880
a who done it? Who done
it? Go? And I need your

894
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:50,199
best Benoir Blanc voice. Judging bah
the situation at hand, I would have

895
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,599
to think it's none of these suspects, you see, they all have their

896
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:58,920
own faults, but that is because
they are human and a lot of them.

897
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,400
I mean, you know, not
maybe it doesn't lie. No,

898
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:08,159
so case closed. We don't know. Honestly, I think I think the

899
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:13,159
thing that makes the most sense to
me is possibly Jones hiring a hit man

900
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,599
and in him getting off. Because
Jones has power state senator, I think

901
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:24,719
there's a lot of corruption in that
world, especially for in his alibis a

902
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:30,079
paste up. Yeah that's weird,
Like that's not good enough now he oh,

903
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,679
someone made a check for me,
Like, I just don't even understand

904
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:38,599
how the pay stuff works unless they
have like proof that the guy went in

905
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:42,639
and got it right. But yeah, I don't know. I don't buy

906
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:46,360
that. I think I think Jones
might have. I still am thinking Robos

907
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,280
serious now that I think about it, though, And I keep thinking he

908
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,159
actually did the thing where it's like
I'll kill you with an axe, pig,

909
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,360
Like, I keep thinking he actually
did that. I know he didn't,

910
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:00,559
but I think there's enough, especially
with the competition with John Year took

911
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:05,440
his biggest client, the alleged affair
with his daughter in law. He had

912
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:10,079
the most, he had the most
reason to do it, He had the

913
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:15,760
most what's motive motivative? Yeah,
he had the most motive by far,

914
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:25,519
by far, Robert, I believe
it was a drifto lawyer, it was

915
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,480
the drift of addicted to cocaine and
hired by the state senator. Okay,

916
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:33,760
different guy then, all right,
yeah they I mean maybe someone else.

917
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:38,920
I think the state senator hired someone
is what I can probably boil. Also,

918
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,280
what they say is Sawyer when he
got arrested in that other town in

919
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,960
Iowa, it was eleven o'clock at
night. The murders didn't happen until twelve

920
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,239
to five. Yeah, I mean
I think he got processed and released.

921
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,639
Yeah, it could be. I
mean, what was he what did you

922
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,320
get a risk for? You don't
know how long? Isn't there yet?

923
01:05:55,559 --> 01:05:58,559
I mean yeah, I imagine they
have some sort of release record. But

924
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:02,679
also like here's the deal. They
certain it's twelve to five or is that

925
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:08,400
their best guess? Yeah, because
it's nineteen twelve, right, Like what's

926
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:11,079
changed since then? As far as
like when we know people have died?

927
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:14,039
I don't know. Now I think
you could tell it within an hour.

928
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:17,039
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you could
just from you know, all the ship.

929
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,159
But yeah, I like that,
that's a pretty big window to say

930
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:27,119
twelve to five and then okay,
eleven he gets arrested, like, you

931
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,559
know, pretty sorry. What if
what if they also doctored that up?

932
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,960
What if they got someone to just
testify that he was arrested in a different

933
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,159
town at the same time. It's
true, there's a lot of shit you

934
01:06:38,199 --> 01:06:43,159
can muddy here, especially in nineteen
twelve. You're just writing in pencil on

935
01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:46,719
a piece of paper for so here. Well, it's for the state senator.

936
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,840
Qui bono for the other guy got
paid, that's a quip bono.

937
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:54,599
And then he got paid for sue
for defamation. Yeah, yeah, the

938
01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:00,320
real fucking kick him in. It's
like we thought we got him, Actually

939
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,559
we got that guy paid. No, we got got Yeah we were wrong.

940
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,119
Oh man, that's just it's really
a sad story. It's the attic

941
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,599
thing, the idea of someone just
being in your house waiting, like and

942
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:16,159
also if you're like a little kid
just hiding here in your well, the

943
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,400
only one person was awake, right, Yeah, so you hear the family

944
01:07:19,519 --> 01:07:27,039
that invited you over being brutally murdered
as if you're like the kids in Jurassic

945
01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:30,519
Park. Just hiding in the fucking
kitchen. I don't think she heard until

946
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:34,280
the other person in the room with
her was murdered, though, because otherwise

947
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,159
you just run the fuck out of
there. I've looked at this is such

948
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:41,480
a small house. I know,
right, it's so tiny, But it's

949
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:45,840
no way that the kids didn't hear
the parents get murdered. Dude. Yeah,

950
01:07:45,159 --> 01:07:49,639
and bro, we're sleepover and it
creaks so hard, like I don't

951
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:54,599
know how he snuck up on them
at all. Yeah, I've heard.

952
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,440
I've seen like the Paranormal ghost Hunter
people go in and like every step you

953
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:03,360
tickets are well, no, it's
way older now, you've added literally one

954
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:10,159
hundred years to it. No,
I think that always ship would from day

955
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:15,280
one. Uh yeah, man,
I I just really can't imagine. Like

956
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,920
I remember having like a slight fear
of something weird happening when I would stay

957
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,880
at friend's houses, like, oh, this is the time to get got

958
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,680
you know, anxious kids. Shit. But that's got to be the worst.

959
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,720
I would be so mad if I
died in anyone's house other than my

960
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,800
own fire murder, like I'd much
rather become. You wouldn't get murdered in

961
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:39,680
the comfort of your own house.
Yeah, like because at the end of

962
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,039
the day, that's where I want
to be anyway. Yeah, my home,

963
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Like it's like I'm somewhere's a sense
of familiarity. Well that and it's

964
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,039
like, man, I should if
I would have stayed at home, It's

965
01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:53,560
true, would have reinforce me.
Maybe there's something hanging on your walls,

966
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:57,560
or you have a little trinket or
something on the desk that you can look

967
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,640
at as you bleed out. Yeah, it's like, oh comfort m h.

968
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,600
I don't know. There's no comfort
in being murdered with an axe,

969
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,399
I guess, but but certainly not
in an unfamiliar place. Yeah. Oh

970
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,960
no, it's all foreign right,
Like you're already it's like, you know,

971
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,600
everything else sucks, Like if you
like, the bathroom's weird, and

972
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:21,039
yeah, the smell is different.
There's always a different smell. Smells are

973
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:25,920
always odd. Going to someone's house
and it's like their house doesn't smell bad,

974
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,199
it's just different, but it's weird. Yeah. Uh, you guys

975
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:36,560
learned anything today. Nothing I didn't
know about drifters. Rob just got things

976
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:41,239
confirmed for him today. Nothing I
didn't know about cocaine users. Yeah.

977
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:47,119
Also that I learned that some people
are really fucking weird. Like I already

978
01:09:47,199 --> 01:09:51,600
knew that. But old the Andy
Sawyer sleeping with his sleeping with that,

979
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:57,359
his axe jumping killball, What do
you saying like I'll cut all their heads

980
01:09:57,399 --> 01:10:00,520
off? Like yeah, your guard
like p But with him, it's almost

981
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,039
like he's trying too hard to come
across as the killer. Yeah, that's

982
01:10:04,079 --> 01:10:08,279
why I don't believe it's what if
he was a deflection, like he's keeping

983
01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:13,119
the scent off, or what if
he's like the OG crisis actor. What

984
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,520
if he just like knows he's not
that strong or tough, so he's like,

985
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,439
the only way no one's gonna mess
with me here out on the farm

986
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,199
lane is to act insane. Actually, I think he might be onto something

987
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:25,439
on that he sleeps clothed. I
bet he had a bad experience with like

988
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,119
sexual assault, Yeah, and so
he didn't want anyone to like right,

989
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:32,199
maybe he's having like he knows he
can't fit people off. He sleeps with

990
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:38,359
an axe, he has ptsde he's
probably like screaming about his harassers or assaulters

991
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,520
or whatever from a former incident.
Honestly, that that doesn't surprise me.

992
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,359
At all. Right, and he
knows too. He's like, I'm not

993
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:46,199
gonna beat anyone in a fight,
so I have to make it seem like

994
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:51,279
you wouldn't never want to fight me
because I'm got like I because I'm goddamn

995
01:10:51,319 --> 01:10:56,359
insane, right right, that that
wouldn't surprise me at all. For swear,

996
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,279
Actually, well that's all we got
for today. Leave us who you

997
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,840
thought committed the murder? In the
reviews. We have some reviews. Yeah

998
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,720
we got a bad review, let's
hear it. Oh, I'm excited for

999
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:16,359
that one star. We have three
stars, even coward Yeah from Leo maw

1000
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:23,680
ten twenty five l e O m
a U T that was that was your

1001
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,680
dog? Yeah right, But Leo's
like he was pissed because he kept late

1002
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,720
leaving on the podcast for them for
the dog. Yeah, dogs, that's

1003
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:31,319
what we say. Leave it on
for the dog. You don't have to

1004
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:34,960
listen to us. Leo's just writing
in like years they said. Uh,

1005
01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:38,880
And this is where it cuts deep
because I'm like, do they know us

1006
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:44,239
what they say? But maybe we
just come off like this in general,

1007
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:46,960
what they say? What they say? You want to hear a few frat

1008
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,479
guys pretend to teach history while constantly
interrupting each other with dumb Freddie jokes.

1009
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,960
Oh well, the title is listen
to this if you want to hear a

1010
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:59,800
few frat guys pretend to teach history
while constantly interrupting each other with dumb Freddy

1011
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,039
each yaks sick three three stars.
So they didn't hate it. Well,

1012
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:10,439
they called the They called the Friday
jokes dumb. Oh they are kind of

1013
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,479
Yeah, they're just mad they didn't
get a bid. Yeah, yeah,

1014
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:18,319
but we have some good ones too. Uh Yo mama and then a bunch

1015
01:12:18,319 --> 01:12:21,439
of numbers after it. Wait is
it yo yo mama or yo yoma?

1016
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,680
Is yo mama? Oh? Damn
it? Like talk like talking history with

1017
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,199
my friends. Love listen to these
guys because it's like when my friends and

1018
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,920
I get together and chat sometimes,
and when it's history, we just joke

1019
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:38,159
around to uh kate the grape twenty
two five out of five crickets. I

1020
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,079
think I learned some things, but
I definitely had fun along the way.

1021
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,920
And then we did we do we
really want about being high brow? Yeah?

1022
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:47,920
Sure? Did we read that one? Oh? I don't know,

1023
01:12:48,039 --> 01:12:50,920
think so okay, Yeah, yeah, it's from September. We're part of

1024
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,199
the one. Yes, we got
a couple of news. We can read

1025
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:59,880
it hopefully five stars. So first
we had people attacking our banter. Yeah,

1026
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:02,800
now we have people attacking the type
of banter. Yeah, the type

1027
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,520
of ba it's still the banter.
Yeah, but they're getting more specific about

1028
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:11,800
why they don't like the banter.
That's OK. Yeah, I'm gonna continue

1029
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,680
being me. Yeah. Patreon Doctor
Slash Software History two additional episodes every week.

1030
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,399
Go back, listen to the catalog
for this feed. I mean everything's

1031
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:25,680
ever green. So it was the
Patreon, so you know, five bucks

1032
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,800
a month on the Patreon you get
just an entire back catalog if you like

1033
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,680
us, if you like the banter, probably over one hundred episodes at this

1034
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:38,279
point. Right at this point,
I am yeah. Which, so gracery

1035
01:13:38,319 --> 01:13:42,359
dot Com from merch and again,
try to leave a review. We appreciate

1036
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:44,479
you. Tell a friend about the
podcast. It's actually the best way to

1037
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,279
grow word of mouth. Maybe word
of mouth. Right, we try to

1038
01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:49,319
cash in on some SEO for Gaza, but you know that can only do

1039
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:55,079
so much. The real people that
can make a change in our lives are

1040
01:13:55,159 --> 01:14:00,920
you or World War three? Yeah, that too seems like we're more likely

1041
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:03,000
for the latter. Yeah. Yeah, I have more faith in the world

1042
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:10,279
excited to get drafted. So anyway, for Jake Goldman, Rob Fox,

1043
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,600
I'm damnagester and you just got all
served.