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So look, I guess to start
off with I am I'm going to tell

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you a little quick story, and
then I want you to all introduce yourselves,

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because what we're here to talk about
is this phenomenal, wild, wacky

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event that I've never seen anything like
in my life. Right, a twelve

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yeah, twelve hour reading of Homer's
The Iliad in Grace Cathedral. And I

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have to tell you guys something.
I came up to visit Sharon within the

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first couple of weeks of moving to
the United States. I've been here for

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about ten ten months now, and
when I came to visit Sharon. After

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our visit, she dropped me off
at the dock and then I kind of

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caught the ferry across to San Francisco. And the first thing I do when

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I go to any city is I
try to look for the sacred locations like

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cathedrals and these beautiful spaces that are
meditative. And I had a dijury do

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on my back. I had a
heavy bag, and I was going to

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catch a bus back down here to
southern California. But I'm I'm in San

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Francisco for a couple of hours,
and so I thought, okay, I'm

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going to try and find this cathedral. I look up cathedrals and I find

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Grace Cathedral and I start at the
dock all the way down the bottom of

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San Francisco, and I went on
a micro pilgrimage with all these heavy bags,

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logging them all the way up this
hill until I found Grace Cathedral and

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I went in and I was just
awe struck by this building. It was

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such an incredible experience. And I
said to myself, I have to play

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my Digury Do here one day,
And I tell you, I sat outside

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in the courtyard and I played my
Digury Do and I even have a recording

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that I could show you guys.
And then months later to see Sharon get

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involved with you guys putting this together, and for her to invite me to

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do this, it's just it's such
an honor, it's such a privilege,

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and I'm so grateful to be a
part of this. And so, you

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know, maybe maybe Catherine will start
with you. I just want you to

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introduce yourself, who are you,
how are you involved in all of this

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crazy event making, and then we'll
go around and I'd love to know more

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about each of you here. Sure
Okay. I am Katherine Paul Vine ninety

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two. Yuck yeah, retired professor
from California State University in Sacramento, where

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I taught both English and to mandate
cheese. And then let me teach not

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only create your writing, but oddly
and crazily, because it was the sixties,

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they let me teacher even though I
had no business doing so because I

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don't read Greek, I'm not a
classicist. I'm a lover of poetry and

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I I won't go into the long
thing of how I created this, but

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I did, and it has been
phenomenally well received. It's considered, as

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you said, kariwacky and demanding,
challenging for the participants. But the great

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thing about it is that the participants
get a really big experience out of it,

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even though they only read for forty
five seconds or something forty five lines.

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Excuse me. It is kind of
an indelible experience. And I've had

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people fall over the world say so
to me. So we do have people

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coming from many countries, we have
several languages being spoken. Because of Joyce

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and Bob, we have power part
that keeps the story going even though someone's

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reading in Latin or Flemish or Portuguese, okay. And I love capped children,

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young people, people who think they
don't like poetry, people who've never

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read Homer, people who've never read
poems for very much, and they think

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they hate it until they do it, and then they love it. So

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that's about all I need to say. I love it, Catherine. I

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adore you already. We're going to
be best friends. I can tell and

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Joyce and Bob, would you like
to jump in? Well, I'm Bob

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Stanley and I've known Catherine for maybe
ten or fifteen years. We helped her

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publish her book of poems. She's
a wonderful she's a wonderful writer, and

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we've done readings together all over Sacramento. When we published her book, we

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had we had about one hundred people
in the backyard, all of her friends.

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But I've only been to one of
the Readers of Homer events. I

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went to the one in uh in
Sacramento, I think it was in two

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thousand and nine or ten um.
But I've heard about the ones in Athens

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and Chios and Alexandria. Alexandria,
Yeah, our friend Carmela Ruby, I

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think was at the one in Alexandria
or she used to tell us about that,

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so we kind of knew about Catherine, and then we met her later

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on, and we've just kind of
been hanging out. And when Grace Cathedral

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became available with Joyce and I just
thought, what can we do my role

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as musical director, I'm kind of
the one who's setting up zooms and things

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like that. And also literally,
oh yeah, and I helped. I

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helped Catherine edit the text because I've
been twenty four hours if we didn't edit

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it from seventeen thousand lines down to
eight thousand, so kind of clipping and

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snipping and figuring out Katherine did most
of the work. I was just kind

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of true. So Joyce, would
you like to jump in? Yeah,

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I'm I'm Joyce Shall, Bob's other
half. Bob. We met Catherine,

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which has been just a wonderful delight. Um. I'm all her talents and

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her hobbies that she's done post retirement. She started, she said, We

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found out she was offering a class
in her home on the Iliad and then

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later on another class on the Odyssey. Um, which I sort of just

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wonderful high school teacher where I just
thought Homer was the greatest and I thought,

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wow, I haven't read that for
fifty years. I'd love to jump

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in and get a refresher course.
So we spent how many weeks going to

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Catherine's house reading this new translation of
by Carolin Alexander of the Iliad and it

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was just wonderful. Then we did
the Odyssey with Emily Wilson's translation and that

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was great, and then it kind
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and then we also did the Orstea. She's just a wealth of knowledge.

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It's so much fun to learn and
hear more from. So when this

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came up, I thought it helped. Now that I'm retired, I'd be

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happy to help. So I'm just
helping Catherine in any way. I can

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just go to organizing and planning things
and it's great. Let me just say

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crash in here and say that is
a huge understatement the words that love and

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Jersey has done. It's absolutely colossal. I could never done it. Yeah,

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I love it. You guys are
doing an amazing job. And Sharon,

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do you want to jump in here? How you involved? I mean,

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I know, but for those listening
at home, what's your what's your

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involvement here and of course with your
husband Terry. I'm Sharon LaBelle and I'm

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lucky enough to be longtime friends with
Bob and Joyce. And I've always loved

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Bob and Joyce because they have such
um generative imaginations and they always have their

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hands in something exciting. In the
arts they they make, they make human

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beings really look good. I every
day that I might think of burning my

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membership card and I just think of
Bob Joyce. Yeah. So I've I've

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had the privilege and just the fun
of playing music with Bob. I've had

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a really pivotal life changing even conversations
with Joyce. Joyce, I don't think

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knows what can impact some of the
things she has said have had on me.

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So they're my conduit to Catherine.
And I love ancient texts, I

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love poetry, and I love marathon
extravagance. My connection to and anything that

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has the qualifier wacky, I'm in
so um um. My connection to Simon

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is that we co found it The
Walled Garden, which is an online international

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philosophical society, and um I have
I love working with Simon. Simon's also

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he hasn't said this about himself,
but he's a poet himself, so I

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do know anyhow, that's a little
scattershot, but I believe you're something of

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a scholar in avoctargis advoctagious. Yes, well, I'm a popularizer. I'm

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I'm the person the academics love to
hate. Right. I immediately feel,

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yea, this is perhaps a good
segue then, because you know we talk

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about popularizing. I didn't know until
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you've done is you're kind of trying
to capture the essence of the Iliad and

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have us read that. And because
I'll admit, I googled last night,

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I said, hang on, how
long does it take to read the Iliad?

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And Google said eleven hours and forty
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And I thought, oh my gosh, it's gonna be tight. In

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the ancient festivals, it took three
days. And you know, three days

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is just too long to demand of
a contemporary audience. Even twelve or ten

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hours is still asking a great deal
of people, and a lot of people

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cannot stay or choose not to stay. But you'd be surprised how many determined

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to stay. Finally, and gain
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sworry it is edited down. It
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I would not appreciate that. It's
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summary. It is still the Iliad
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in my view. I won't do
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even that is too short. Ten
is good now, that's what we're doing

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at Grace, and ten is demanding
and people that's the wacky part is that

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people are surprised that they are interested
for that long. If I may quote

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a scholar who was on our board
earlier, wonderful man Bill Mallin from Bard

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College. Somebody asked him in New
York, why is this moving? He

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said, it's moving because it's long. You do not bring to it the

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one hour attention span that you bring
to a lecture, or the two hour

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attention span that you bring to a
movie, or the three hour attention span

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that you bring you an opera.
It's something entirely longer. And he said

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that makes it a new challenge and
refreshing in the way. And I think

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he's right about that. I just
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mean, let alone, the attention
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or of a you know, it's
like the value to me. It seems

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like this is the literary version to
Sharon's point of a marathon. It's going

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in there and at the end of
the day, I imagine we're all going

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to be pooped, We're all going
to be just so tired. But what

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a transformative space to be in,
you know, what a transformative work to

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be reading. Thank you, Simon. I often use the quote that in

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the age of the quick and the
easy, yeah for the long and the

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difficult, and it has worked out
that word. Yeah. So how does

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something like this come together? I
know that you've got is it the society

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of Homer readers or what's what's the
name of your group that you've got together?

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There is no there is no name. Friends, poop want to help?

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Is the name? Yeah? I
love it? And so so what

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came first was it did you find
the venue and then decide we're going with

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Homer? Did you choose the work? And then no? I always was

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working directly from the Homer. I
had taught it at the university. I

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had a wonderful graduate seminar for about
twenty years that I was called the Homeric

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Imagination, which was kind of a
reach and alienated some people just by that

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title, But it really was more
about what is what are these poems?

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What are these epics? Why do
we care? Rather than the infinite inquiry

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into the specifics of who was Homer
and how was the transmission and what language?

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And how close to actual history?
And is legend and history? Do

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the mixer mingo to what degree?
I let all that go and concentrated on

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this is great art, and I
believe that more every year. It is

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fabulous art. And I can't in
our format. I cannot lecture at all.

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I don't even say a word.
I don't say anything about it.

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Then we're going to read the iliot. They know that. Excuse my voice.

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So I do not lecture at all
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Yeah, yeah, that doesn't answer
your question. I moved. When I

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retired, A student said what are
you gonna do now with this? And

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I did not have an idea.
A Greek lawyer from Sacramento happened to be

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taking me out and complimenting what he
had heard about the seminar. He said,

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I have all my life, thought
about how wonderful it would be to

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have all my reading of the Iliad
fire and go to or Lamb on the

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stead and torches, and I knew
it a second that I said to him,

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I'm going to do it, and
I started and that was my immediate

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post retirement effort. Yeah. I
just love this, and Sharon, I

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really I'd love being to jump in
as well if you have questions. But

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sorry, Joyce, did you want
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to just clarify. So Catherine is
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readers of Homer. Thank you,
That's what I was thinking about. Yes,

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yeah, where is a website that
describes the readings and the locations they've

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had all over the world? When
Katherick can tell you, I do know

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that there's been London, New York, Los Angeles, Athens, Tehran,

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Cairo, several of the islands in
Greek islands, Kios, they've had in

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South America, in Montevideo. I
mean really international. And she's got members

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on our board who zoom in from
Spain or Brazil. She's got people flying

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in from Amsterdam and amazing magnetive Homer
brings in people from everywhere that I just

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can't believe. So that is really
interesting. The other thing I want to

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add the reading itself there. As
we said, there's no lecture, but

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as a special bonus to people who
are interested in participating. Um, she's

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going to do it one hour zoom
to give people an overview, answer questions

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for everybody who's registered, everybody who's
going to be reading, and you'll you'll

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get an invite to these zooms.
Um wonderful she can hear and just answer

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some questions. And so that is
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be one of the questions that you
might Yeah, but I'd love all of

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your input on this actually, you
know, because I know Sharon you'll have

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a lot of insight into this.
And and I think Katherine, you may

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have answered some of this question in
the in your previous response, but in

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the age of the quick and easy, you know, in this current moment,

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why is somebody like Homer, you
know, Why why are people coming

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around this, this this great writer
in this day and age, you know,

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and how is it relevant for this
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love it. Uh. I think
the ancientness of it matters. The fact

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that it is the oral tradition and
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don't even know if there was a
Homer. I'm not going to go into

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that so called Homeric question as to
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and participating in it gives you a
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how it carried across many generations prior
to literacy. That's very important, prior

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to literacy. So we do not
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Was Homer literate? Was there a
Homer? Was he literate or maybe his

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grandson could write because he was at
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BC when literacy was just beginning slowly
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think to your very important question is
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It's very democratic. I insist upon
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even care if people think they hate
Homer. They don't know what it is,

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and if they're just curious enough to
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idea of it. Great, and
it does carry itself because it's a timeless

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and I have to say alas universal
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It just goes on and on and
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seems to think it's part of the
human condition somehow. We don't know

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exactly how. It just is always
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same way. And the young boys
who are drafted are just like the young

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man and in the Iliad who don't
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be brave, they want to be
famous. They want to make their little

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landscape at home proud of them.
They want their parents to be proud of

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them. They want a bit of
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But it's actually for a very dumb
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for background history to return Helen,
the most beautiful woman in Greece quote quote

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or famous idea, back to her
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to historical character. And so whether
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the ideal of beauty that the Greeks
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this great city in Asia Minor,
which was an actual city and which went

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by the name then of Ilium.
That's why the poem is called the Iliad

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and not the Troyad. Troyad is
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of the defending city. It's not
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aggressive Greeks who who represent the poet. So it's um uh, it's really

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as again a quote that I love
that the Iliad is the most just and

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partial of human inventions. That would
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is very just wow. You know, I was getting goosebumps as you're talking

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about the fact that this story comes
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you know, thinking about how back
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would do these three day readings and
performances of this great epic, And to

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me, I'm still getting goosebumps because
it's like, Wow, we get to

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participate in that and this ancient tradition, and we're going to be in this

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increase. I would encourage everybody listening
to this episode to look up Grace Cathedral

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and just see the space that will
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how powerful that's going to be.
Sharon I wonder if you would jump in

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here, because I'm sure that you
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relevance. Yeah, the relevance,
Oh yes, well, so many people's

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minds and hearts. Our burden these
days by by a sense of fragmentation.

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We've all had to very quickly step
up to interacting with, integrating and responding

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to so much information from the trivial
to the vital in any given moment,

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in any given day, whether it
comes from media, whether we it is

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like that movie title, everything all
at once, I forget what everything happening

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all at once, and it's it's
too much for us to sort the worthy

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from from even the delitarius. You
know, it's it's many. Many people

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to me report just casually that they
feel a sense of um fog, of

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dislocation. I've heard different terms used. So what does this have to do

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with reading the iliot and doing it
in a physical public space. I think

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there's a hungry hunger, excuse me
for that, which endures. I think

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there's a fact in some ways,
I'm just restating what Catherine said much better

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than I can, But there there's
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narrative through line of humanity and not
on the sidelines, and so engaging with

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something in this case, this timeless
epic poem, even if you're skeptical about

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it or hostile. Yeah, it's
it's joining a conversation that's gone on for

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a long time and that has dignity
and it has weight. Beautiful A man,

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Sharon, I do a Sharon.
The answers like that, How and

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and and Bob and Joyce? Did
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add here? You know, why
is it relevant for you guys? And

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why do you think it's important?
I just want to talk about the art

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and the richness of the poetry.
I mean we're talking twenty eight hundred years

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ago, and the Homeric similes that
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many more in the Iliad than in
the Odyssey, and they're so so I

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found one here. I just kind
of looked around and I just want to

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read this. So Odysseus is in
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there's these complicated similes. Sometimes they
are similar to what's happening, and sometimes

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they come out of the blue.
But this one I found so Odysseus is

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in battle and the Trojans are closing
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Greeks. He doesn't play a huge
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Odysseus, beloved by Zeus, and
round about him the Trojans pressed like blood

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stained and jack in the mountains about
a stag the man has struck with an

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arrow from his bowstream he escapes,
the man fleeing with the swiftness of his

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feet, while the blood flows warm
and his knees are light that when at

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last the sharp arrow has broken him, the jackals meters of raw mead there

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in the mountains devour him. In
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leads a lion ravening, and the
jackals scatter, and the lion it is

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who devours it. So around skilled
Odysseus of the many wiles, the Trojans

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pressed in their multitude and strength,
but the warrior, lunging with his spear,

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warded off pitalless day and death.
Very good. I mean, this

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is three thousand years ago and there
and there's all through the book, and

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every time I come on one of
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I may add, not violent,
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a lot of violence in the Iliad
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but more in the Alia because his
battle battle, battle, battle, killing

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and Achilles is of course the premier
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the hero of killing, and that
is to sort of beyond belief. Horrible

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to us, but it's reality,
and I might I wanted to say that

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the similes Bob mentions are often totally
tender, totally gentle, like a mother

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putting a little comfortens on a fevered
child's forehead. Where does that come from?

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he's a master, as somebody said,

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of relief from horror as well as
of horror. He is. You

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get an awful of tenderness in both
proms. M I just love that.

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I'm so I'm so glad that you
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and what what what I love is
that, Catherine, you must have read

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this book so many times, but
still as he's reading it, Oh,

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you can't help but be moved,
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I just can't help but feel as
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when so many people want life to
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everything washed clean of the dirtiness of
life. And you know, to to

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to to actually to quote somebody who
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colleague of mine, we were talking
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makes this point of you know,
sometimes, you know, we as men,

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we need to realize that we are
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is we do build empires. We
go out and take on the world,

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you know. We we try to
get every part of ourselves that we can

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together so that we can be the
hero that we could be in our lives.

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And to be faced with this kind
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face with those harsh realities of blood
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stuff is dirty stuff of life.
I think people are hungry for that as

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well, to be yes, yeah, And the way in which Homer takes

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on the power structures, that is
the power of the king's Agamemnon's bravura and

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pomp and circumstance, and his brother
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wealth is and then you get Achilles
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essentially what he wants to do,
play the loot and dress as a girl.

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That's a but he is because he's
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going to excel, of course at
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he speaks truth to power. Right
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very first few pages, he calls
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drunk who does nothing for his people, and it gets going from there.

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So it is a it is an
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foolishness of the reasons for war,
the flimsy, flimsy, puny little reasons

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given out for having these teenage boys
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and the women, of course being
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we know that, and they know
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the conquering men, and they will
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ones in their country and live as
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is very clear, just as it's
very clear that Troy is doomed, even

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though it does not fall in the
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kind of interesting that there are some
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are not in the poem. The
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which is the effective cause of the
war, the Achilles heel that is supposed

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to more or less protect Achilles,
that's not in the Iliad, and the

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fall of Fray is not with the
wooden hers is not in the Iliad,

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though they are referred to in the
Odyssey, but just referred to, so

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they're common knowledge, deeply known in
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from many generations. Yeah. Wow, I'm more and more excited throughout this

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conversation. For I just I'm so
excited for this. I wanted to Sharon,

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did you know this is your first
time meeting Catherine as well? Right?

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several weeks ago. I just wanted
to you know, seeing as you're also

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a representative of the world God and
if you if you had any questions that

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you would like to kind of give
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then I think it would be good
to tell people how they can get involved.

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and I would be very interested in
what Catherine has to say to this.

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What do they want to hear about
all this Warfore, I get it,

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it's real, but it's so ikey. Life is short. Why do

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we want to immerse ourselves in the
dark side of the human soul? That

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is a superb question, and it's
always asked and it's never never fully answered

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John, because it can be,
it cannot be. War is a given

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to Homer, and I think it
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Although I must say I'm very grateful
to Monto Bideo for Clay saying that

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our organization is a movement for peace
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do feel that as a Homer,
even though he's thought of as a war

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poet, and that he writes as
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and order and comfort and love as
he as he does about slitting throats and

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so forth. But he's fearless.
There, there's no question he is fearless.

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That's the dirty side that Simon was
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just no escaping the sense of tragedy
in this work. It is tragic for

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everybody, tragic for the women,
tragic for the children, tragic for old

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King Priam who's losing one boy after
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and noble, clearheaded, sweet Hector, who gets the last line. I

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could cry just even saying so.
Hector is simply a good person. He

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is so true, and when he
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along with all the people that I
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your question is that it is not
just warpome that that is a mistake.

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It is a much bigger canvas of
human endeavor and suffering and joy and uh

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simple simple efforts, simple farming,
simple planting, simple reaping, it making

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mistakes, paying for them dearly,
all of that is just a It really

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is a big canvas of much more
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I have no doubt about out it
and those beautiful as symbolise Bob is

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referring to show that there's violence even
in peace. There is there's violence in

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nature, but there is great tenderness
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And that's all in the pom Believe
me. Oh gosh, that's just lovely.

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Sorry, oh I beg your pardon. Would you like to explain to

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the listeners how they can attend this
event, how they can get involved.

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Absolutely. If you can go to
the website International Readers at Homer, it

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will pop up on the home page
this Grace Cathedral event. It will describe

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the program of the day and an
easy clip on purchasing tickets. So if

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you purchase the ticket, you are
eligible to be a reader and we will

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distribute a passage. It's about three
or four minutes worth of reading in advance,

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so that you can practice it.
You can be a listener. We

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will have food and snacks for the
whole day. There's going to be wonderful

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music interspersed throughout this reading, which
Sharon Simon Terry and then from Greece.

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We'll be working in these musicians that
we have miraculously collected helping us interpret and

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provide some background mood for there's a
range of human condition that Catherine has described.

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So it's a very full day that
we're just excited about having as many

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people joined, as many different voices
come in. Purchase a ticket, we'll

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get you a passage and we'll get
everybody up on the stage to read,

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you know, for their three minutes
of glory, carrying the flame for a

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tiny minute. Yes, for great
art, so beautiful. You know,

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this is going to be such a
phenomenal event. Thank you so much to

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all of you, Katherine and Bob
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put something like this together. Like
what a phenomenal effort and just such a

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worthy thing to spend your money on, such a worthy thing to spend your

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time on. And I am so
excited to get up there and to meet

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you all in person than you have
this great event, So thank you and

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Joyce. Did you have one more
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bonus, The translator Carolin Alexander coming
to the event, and she's going to

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be our opening reader, reading the
first the invocation in Homeric read. We're

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going to have an actual flavor of
what homer experience as well. Simon,

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may I just at one comment that
is there. You cannot do it wrong.

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You cannot read in a way that
will embarrass you. Even if you

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fumble, it's fine. It doesn't
matter if you just pronounce. It doesn't

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matter if you read weekly. It's
only for three minutes, so it doesn't

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matter too much. And I want
to urge people who are afraid of public

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speaking that it's quite doable and you
can't mess it up very easily. There's

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just it's just all good. Yeah. Yeah, Well amen to that,

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and amen to everything that's been said
today. This has just been such a

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beautiful conversation. I want to thank
thank you Catherine for your leadership in this

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and for just the beautiful spirit that
you bring to this. I can tell

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that this is such a passion for
you and and Joyce and Bob. It's

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it's a pleasure. I'm so grateful
for the work that you're putting into this.

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And Sharon, I can't believe.
Thank you so much for inviting me

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to this. What a crazy thing
to be this. This is going to

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be incredible. So everybody who's listening
to the podcast, if you're in the

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area, if you know you're going
to be around, or if you live

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close by, or if you're not, get a ticket and we would love

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to see you there and consider this
have been wholeheartedly endorsed by Philosophical Society.

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Joyce, sorry, I'm sorry,
but we can't wait to hear your DIGERI

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do y oh look, it's gonna
be fun. But I can't wait to

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hear what it sound. It's like
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the music in a cathedral like this. Yeah, it's an honor. It's

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such an honor. And Sharon,
thank you for bringing me in on this.

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Yeah, of course. I also
I want to make sure that everyone

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knows too, because Simon is can
be very humble. He's a professional jazz

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pianist, trumpet player, and let
me puse that hanger hang on. Piano,

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I would say is definitely not my
most proficient. And anybody who knows

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my piano playing and they're also a
jazz pianist, they're going to be saying,

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hang on, what's going on here? But I appreciate the compliment.

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Share, thank you so much.
Okay, So Nathan San Francisco, that's

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right, and trying to find children
to read IF Saturday, and we're going

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to have links in the episode here
so the people can go directly there find

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out more information. And once again, thank you all. I'm going to

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stop the recording now, but I'm
sure we will stay on for another couple

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of minutes, but thank you guys, thanks for listening to this episode.

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