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This is the Downbeat on ninety seven
to one The free So there's been a

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couple of big name Anthony too been
in a little bit of hot water for

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allegedly well alleged relations with a minor. And it's like a woman that works

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in coal. Uh, not so
much, we'll go under age, damn.

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One of those is NBA star Josh
Kaddy. The other Tampa Bay Ray's

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star shortstop Wander Franco, who you
know fled authorities in the Dominican Republic for

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a while. He will have a
trial eventually. Is that case is still

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up for grabs, but he can't
come back to America until that case is

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solved. But there's a story that
involves something with these guys, and our

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own detective Dick Shale is directly in
the middle of it. Not so much

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the underage angle. Okay, well
it would have been solved by now if

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it's for the case. I can't
wait to hear what you're talking about.

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When can I hear this? You
can hear it at nine thirty five right

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here on the Downbeat on ninety seven
Won the Freak with Me, Kevin Turner,

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Danny Baylis, Mike's Roy and our
producer JJ Jackson two one four eight

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one seven seven eight seven one nine
seven one. She has the text message

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board up. We do two look
at it up and she checked your phone

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calls and all that stuff. Also
voicemails. iHeartRadio app red button. You

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can leave us a vmail up to
thirty seconds and you know it's funny and

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good worth it. We'll put it
on the air. They called v mails

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now and not talk about Oh they're
talkbacks. Still just checking. I didn't

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get the memo. If that changed
too, I didn't check my emails was

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born. If that changed? Nothing
changed on that, okay, but up

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to thirty seconds, I still work
here. I don't know if that's changed

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still, and you always will.
You have a lot of faith. But

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uh, little Steeler, do you
want formal intro for this? Mikey,

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Yeah, I guess I mean intro? Yeah, what's the intro? It's

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oh, I forgot it was old. There's this umbrella sing the umbrellas,

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lights, cameras a holes. Is
that the former intro? We're just winging

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it a guess, lights, camera, a holes. We're talking entertainment.

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I saw this like a week ago, the countdown until today January tenth,

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twenty twenty four, because it's a
significant day anniversary in television history. On

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this date. In nineteen ninety nine
Jan ten, HBO premiered a television show

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called The Sopranos and it was very
successful. Rolling Stone has it as the

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number one television show of all time. I was going a varieties list.

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They actually have I Love Lucy number
one, They have mad Men number two,

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they have Sopranos as number three.
But you'd be hard pressed to find

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a list of top one hundred shows
of all time and not find the Sopranos

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in the top five, oftentimes at
number one. And I think it's kind

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of wild man twenty five years for
a show that was super impactful, I

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think to us to a lot of
people listening, or at least intriguing to

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those who had never seen it.
And let's just start with that your soprano

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history. Kevin didn't watch it for
many years, gave it a shot during

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COVID watched the first episode. Went
now not for me because the graphics suck,

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which they didn't. You know,
I just made that up in my

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head because I didn't know if I
wanted to do the investment, knew how

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the show ended, and that did
stop me from watching it for a long

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time. I know how it ends. I had to watch it because I

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was a smartass. Finally settled in
summer of twenty one, did the challenge,

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watched it and loved it. Dang, you missed the first season because

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I thought it was a show about
opera singers. Got a hip to the

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reality that it was a show about
the Mob, and then, of course

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I'm in so I think I watched
the the first season on DVD and then

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got caught up live on HBO and
became my favorite television show at that time

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of all time. And that's you
know, it revolves. It rotates between

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you know, one, two,
or three, depending on when you ask

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me. But it was so such
a part of the fabric of my of

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culture, of my entertainment world that
the radio station that I worked at previously

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every Monday when that thing aired on
Sunday, was there Monday or Tuesday,

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depending on if it was football season
or not. We dedicated a fifteen minute

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segment to reviewing the night the previous
night's episode, called Sopranos Talk, and

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we did it every after every episode. Maybe we waited until like Wednesday or

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Thursday to get people time to watch
it. But we were that dedicated to

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that show. And did that start
probably two thousand and one. Okay,

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so third season yep, yep?
Third or yeah, second or third?

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Do you recall when it switched from
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people started really really locking in on
it and realizing that it was greatness probably

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about season three, and I think
that's when it takes off for a lot

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of people. Like the first couple
of seasons, like Kevin said, it's

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low budget. Man, it's hard
to watch at times. There's continuity issues

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abound, there's ridiculous acting moments that
you're just like what. But once you

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kind of fight through those first couple
of seasons, it really does take off.

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And it's dense, it's funny,
it's layered, it is psychological.

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You know, it peels back a
lot of stuff. Oh, let me

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say, I think it's very relatable
it as much as a world of New

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Jersey mobsters can be relatable. Well, keep in mind too, premium cable

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hbos not everyone has any right you
do. The other thing TiVo invented the

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same year the show came out.
Know TV was way more communal back then.

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TV's not communal at all. Yeah, it sucks, but that doesn't

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exist anymore. And one thing about
the series, and I don't know if

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this was the first series to really
kind of bring this dynamic to light,

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but it was the protagonist, the
sympathetic protagonist that was inherently a terrible person,

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a guy that was a murderer.
Tony Soprano had blood on his hands.

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He was an absolute murderer. If
he didn't do it himself, he

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ordered him. He was a philanderer, he was a glutton, He was

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a terrible human being. But you
still rooted for him. Yeah, and

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that spawned an entire wave that to
this day, we still have those shows

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of the guy that has conflicted and
kind of the big version of him is

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inherently pretty evil that we root for. Walter White, He's probably there one

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A and B. I'm Walter White
probably doesn't exist without Tony Soprano, and

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a lot of iconic characters of the
last twenty five years don't either. For

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me, I didn't have HBO at
the time. I don't think completely missed

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it. Obviously, you hear about
it a ton but I think it's funny.

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The first episode I ever watched with
the Sopranos was the absolute last episode,

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because I was somewhere with my brother. I wasn't with him, but

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he was into it. I went
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I'm like, sure, whatever,
it's a party, and I watched the

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dead last episode and I loved it. I thought it was cool, interesting,

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but I didn't really understand it,
and obviously as a very nuanced ending

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or ambiguous I suppose, which is
awesome. We can get to that here

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in a second. But I was
intrigued. But then years and years went

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by and then it kind of just
bothered me. So like two years ago,

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I watched the first season and like
a lot of people say, I

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was in love with it, Like
I'm sick of hearing that this is the

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greatest show of all time. And
I don't necessarily love mob stuff, or

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I didn't. I'm kind of into
it now because of the damn show.

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But I watched it, and then
another year went by and then I'm like,

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you know what, I'm gonna plow
through this. I'm gonna make myself

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do this. And then season two
and season three, and then I did

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get into it. I was excited
to just cram the damn thing and ultimately

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I love it and it sticks with
you too, like because you say the

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density of it. It's just a
fascinating, weird story that I don't know

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how these can get green lit something
this unique, but obviously glad it did

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because twenty five years later today it's
it's stuck on all the big boy lists

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and it's stuck with me too.
The thing that makes the show incredibly unique

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is, yes, you do have
all of the New Jersey Mob tropes and

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they are all over the place.
The thing that makes the show unique is

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Tony Soprano is a guy that is
struggling with the life that he's leading and

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it's manifesting in panic attacks and he
ends up going to the doctor and they

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recommend talk therapy. And that's what
that's kind of the centerpiece of this because

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in every episode, pretty much every
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with him and his therapist. Yeah, and Melfi doctor Melfie that and and

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who was from Good she played what's
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But anyway, that that is a
big, big, big component of

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this show. Is you kind of
get to see the idiosyncrasies of this guy's

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personality and and the the struggle that
he has, and kind of what a

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dim Woody is. In fact,
all of his buddies they're they're kind of

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dumb, you know, they're they're
their self awareness does not exist. I

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will say that, you said that
like a week ago when we were talking,

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and I will admit I think that's
the first time I ever thought that

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they're all kind of dumb. And
I think you're right because I watch it

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and they're so smart. They're so
predisposed and perfect to do this job,

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which is a strong arm people be
criminals and just screw people out of money

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essentially, and they're they're very good
at it. Because they're so successful,

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I never really thought of them as
a bunch of dumb ass. Yeah,

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you think about it, kind of
are they don't. He's the least of

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the dumb ass, right, So
he's the leader and he but he's smart

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kind, he's pretty He is smart
Because think about it, societally, you

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the people that end up leaning on
violence as the ultimate solution to a problem,

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or the ones that are are not
quite equipped upstairs to be able to

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negotiate something. So therefore you have
this syndicate, this crime syndicate that they

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make a lot of money. They
do really well. There's different levels of

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how much money these people and their
crews make, but by and large,

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yeah, they're just kind of idiots
that they get to a boiling point and

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rather than using their brains, they
blow brains out. Yeah, and that's

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how they solve problems. And it's
just a world that we are so removed

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from. That's the first thing you
said is that it's they're dumb, but

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they're good at what they do.
The second thing is how funny. The

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show is hilarious and almost like on
a second watch, I think I would

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laugh a lot. I didn't laugh
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will. You'll see things that are
just little hidden nuggets that are and I've

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pulled some clips and a lot of
those are represented in these clips. Whenever

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you guys are ready to get to
a few of these, we'll hit them.

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Yeah, let's do it todays.
I we'll start with one that I

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don't think is that funny. And
Mikey, you pointed this one out to

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me earlier, and this is a
clip where Tony soprano is sitting at a

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dinner table with Polly Walnuts, which
is a member, a high ranking member

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of his crew, and another guy
that I think is kind of a connected

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guy, but not part of his
immediate crew. They're out on a night

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on the town with three much younger, much paid for women that there.

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It's kind of like the Friday is
for the wives, Saturdays for the mistress,

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if you remember that from Goodfellas.
This is obviously a Saturday night and

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these guys are out and Polly Walnuts, who is notorious for running his mouth

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and not knowing when to shut up, starts kind of spilling the beans and

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telling remember when story about a guy
that ended up mysteriously dying. And this

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is Tony's kind of interesting response that
he probably heard in therapy from his doctor.

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And you saw this a lot too. He would take things that the

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very smart doctor Melpie would say,
and then he would use these quotes with

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his bodies to make him sound smarter
than he actually is. And here's one

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of those instances. And Tom from
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shore with the bunks of seventy eight, Carlo Sylvio cranking Knopoly place up the

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beach, Sony spends when the Bronx
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missed seriously drowned during that party.
Hey Tom, you okay? Yeah,

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yeah, he's sure, Tea,
you'd be kind of quiet, that's sure.

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Remember when it's the lowest form of
conversation. So right there, he

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just smites Polly and gets up with
his lady and goes to the dance form

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Polly sitting there going you bastard.
Among all the quotes, that one hit

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me hard. I don't know,
remember when is the lowest form of communication?

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I thought that's really beautiful and concise. Yeah. Another quote that I've

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always loved is great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, Small minds

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discuss people. And I've always I
always kind of thought of that. I

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try to think of that as I'm
bitching about some individual. Mm hmm.

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This guy's a real prick. Tony's
married to a woman named Carmela. It's

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his wife. They have two kids
together, Anthony Junior and a Meadow,

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and they have a very volatile relationship. This is a scene that I've just

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always been one of my personal favorites. It's just a very tiny little thing

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that's thrown in there. But Carmela
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take on a new trying to develop
a career of her own as a involved

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in the real estate world, and
she's trying to get something handled on the

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phone, and Tony comes out to
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orange juice she bought. Oh,
was that it's the paving guy. I'm

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thinking of having the driveway redone?
Is this a third degree pulp? You

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like it with pulp? Not this
much. I like the one that says

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some pulp. Who's that for?
I write you up a list. She

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throws her phone at him because he
doesn't like the one with pulp. He

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likes the one with some pulp,
which is the inconsequential quotes. I'm smiling

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and laughing and thinking it damn big
Tony. Okay, there's one of my

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favorite episodes of all time. Christopher
and Paulie members of Michael Imperiali and Polly

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Walnuts. They're part of Tony's crew
and they are sent to uh collect or

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get something from another crew and this
guy is Russian. He's this big Russian

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guy. They show up at his
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and they take him into the woods. They're supposed to to whack him,

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and he ends up getting away.
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Polly gets off a couple of shots. One of them hits him because you

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see the blood kind of splatter from
his neck. So they go out trying

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to make sure this guy is dead
because it's not beneficial for them, and

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whatever they're objective is, I don't
remember specifically this guy. And they're in

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the snow in the woods, it's
freezing cold, and this thing becomes an

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all day, all night affair of
them trying to find the body of this

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guy that they and they get lost, and they get lost. They're on

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the phone with ton Polly loses a
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They don't know where they are.
They're eating ketchup packets for food.

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Anyway. At one point after they
lose this guy, Tony, with terrible

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cell reception, calls Polly walnuts and
this is what happens. We'll find it.

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I'm busy, my head is killing
me. Hello, fair. The

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guy you're looking for some kind of
ex command though or some shit. He

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kills sixteen Cheching rebels single handed.
Hey, hey that you damn it would

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just say talk, So I'm gonna
talk fast. The guy you're looking for

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is an ex command though he killed
sixteen Chechen rebels single handed. Get he

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was with the Interior Ministry. Guys
who've got a Russian green? Beray,

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this guy cannot come back to tell
this story. Do you understand? I

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hear you, huh telling you there? Call me back. You're not gonna

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believe this. He killed sixteen Czechoslovakians. Guy was an inferiod decorator. His

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house looked like, I mean,
that's beautiful. Holy, you won't believe

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this. Chechoslovakians. This guy was
an interior decorator. His house looked like

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as so good. It just illustrates
how dim witted these guys are. Let's

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see, Okay, we got that, we got some pulp, we got

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that. Okay, I'll save the
best for last. Chris. Chrissy is

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Tony, I guess nephew. Yeah, Carmela's cousin. I don't know somehow

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they're related, As you know,
a lot of these Battalian mob families are

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as they're depicted in these shows.
I mean, Chrissy is part of his

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crew. Chrissy is very troubled.
He is a junkie. He's addicted.

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For a great portion of this series, he's addicted to heroin. And Tony

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and his crew and their families decide
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mediator to conduct an intervention for Christopher, and Christopher shows up and sits down

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and the you know how these things
go beat people. They try not to

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be confrontational. It's about how this
person made you feel by your drinking and

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drugging and your addiction and the behaviors
that you exhibited, you know, coming

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forth from those things. And this
is the greatest scene to me. This

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rivals when Doyle loses it and sling
blade and kicks everybody out of the house

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because he doesn't we don't have a
f and band, Randy, everybody,

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get the f out. The way
this thing devolves and how quickly it devolves.

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In Christopher's intervention on the Sopranos,
Paul, you want to read your

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statement. I don't write nothing down, so I'll keep the short and sweet.

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You're weak, you have to control, and you become an embarrassment to

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yourself and everybody else. Oh listen, you whoa, whoa, whoa what

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we said non judgmental? Okay,
let him take his medicine. Seriously,

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Paula, you want to talk about
sucking up? Watch it, Chrissy,

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Why I thought we're being honest here? You got some balls, you know

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that, all of you. You
want to talk about self control? How

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about you? So it's gonna be
slut you got working in the place when

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you got a wife and kids at
home? Goys, guys, whoa whoa

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far oh you Paulie, remember last
winter in the woods with the Russian guys.

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There he goes, mister type A
personality. We are here to talk

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about you killing yourself with drugs,
not my personality. That's right. I'm

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gonna kill myself, are you?
You're gonna have a heart attack by the

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time you fit here. Maybe someone
will smack some damn sense. Great,

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my own mother, come on.
Ko calls his mom and and Hula and

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everybody jumps on him and it is
good. Fella's mom kicks to the ribs

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while they're on the ground fire.
Just two minutes into an intervention for this

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guy, they're all beating his as. It's just perfect, it's so good,

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and that that seems great. Episode's
great too, and I get through

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Chris's drug problem is a really good
story. Yeah, I thought I was

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like two, and this might for
like the maybe the people who didn't watch

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the watched White Lotus. Michael Imperioli
is casting very good and he's got a

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problem with prostitutes as well. He's
got and that's a kind of it almost

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was like Chris was in The White
Lotus. Yeah, and I's got to

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imagine him as older. It's kind
of fun to think of it that way.

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How about the art foreshadowing real life
when Christopher tells James Gandalfini's character Tony

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Soprano the way you eat, you're
gonna be dead by a heart attack before

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you're fifteen. Yeah, and that
happens. Yeah, that happened. Yeah

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while eating Yes, big amounts of
delicious Italian food. All right. Lastly,

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this is one of my favorites for
so many reasons. Will break it

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down afterwards, but essentially, Tony
Soprano eats Indian food and goes to bed

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and wakes up in the middle of
the night of the night feeling something.

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He thinks it's it's anxiety and dread, but it's actually food poisoning. Here's

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him and Carmela in bed late at
night. When Tony wakes up having any

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existential crisis that just turns out to
be diarrhea on myself. A bit sorry,

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sorry, I go back to no, no, what? What now?

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So big? Nothing? What is
Tony? That is your mother talking

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this black? You have a tendency
towards the question. Yes, but listen

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to me. All right, everything's
going to be all right. I'm here,

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I'm with you. The kids are
safe from their beds. They love

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you. Well, it's coming from
here. It's something headed. It's my

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stomach. I'm glaucious. What's going
on? Your father is sick? Oh

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my god, daddy, what happened
into an Indian restaurant? It is so

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recent. Who's letting those big ones? They better be called left in that

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fridge? Is all I can say. So much. It's all seven parts

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from the from yeah, exact fart. You have the disappointed teenage daughter is

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embarrassed to be around her dad anyways, and she calling him racist because she's

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kind of an activist or trying to
be. She's trying to be. You

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got the dumb kids, just the
ones, just because the mom says he

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ate Indian food and is sick.
That's racist. Yeah, I love that

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line from from Meadow. And then
yeah, of course aj the dumb kid

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who's letting all those big ones,
and then Carmela. He's having this existential

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middle of the night crisis. It
turns out to be food poisoning. All

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she's worried about is there better be
some soft drinks left. The guy who

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has killed people and should fear no
one is sitting there going just end it

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now. It's the great equalizer,
dude, Just the second half one more

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time, please my stomachius what's going
on? Oh my god, daddy,

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what happened to an Indian restaurant that
is so recent? Who's letting most big

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ones? They better be coke left
in that fridge, is all I can

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say. You're right, all of
them be playing their characters perfectly. They

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don't care who's letting them big ones. She's just trying to fake idiot,

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fake console him and oh you you're
just sick. Screw She like leaves the

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bedroom. He's in there just dying
out of both ends. Dude. Six

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months ago, I watched the Pranus
for the first time, and I might

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jump right back into it and do
the whole thing again. Woa that good?

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Just here, Yes, and I
want to watch it knowing that it's

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all funny. This is a microscope
of the treasure trove of little things like

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this that are all throughout that series. I've seen it probably seven times,

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really, and I love it every
time I see it. A beautiful show

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twenty five years ago today, January
tenth, nineteen ninety nine, released on

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HBO. What an anniversary if we
can in the next segment, we need

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at least a couple minutes on the
final episode and the controversy and because we

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didn't even mention that absolutely plus Mike, okay, something for you. And

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this actually weirdly involves two kind of
high profile athletes who are going through some

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bad allegations involving relationships with uh,
you know, underage girls. It's the

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chicken vent the looo that's actually nice
and once