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it's time for this week's episode of Dragnet.

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The original aired eight February twenty third, nineteen fifty and the title is

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The Big Grifter. The story you
were about to hear is true, only

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the names have been changed to protect
the innocent you're a detective sergeant. You're

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assigned to Bunco detail. An expert
confidence man has resumed operations in your city.

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His criminal record dates back thirty five
years. He's a master in the

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art of the gentle swindle. Your
job stop him dragnets the documented drama of

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an actual crime. For the next
thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los

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Angeles Police Department, he will travel
step by step on the side of the

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law through an actual case from official
police files, from beginning to end,

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from crime to punishment. Dragnet is
the story of your police force in action.

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It was Tuesday, July twenty eighth, was warm in Los Angeles.

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We're working a day watch at a
Bunco detail. My partner's Ben Romero.

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The boss is that Brown, Chief
of Detectives. My name's Friday. I

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was on the way back from the
record Bureau and it was ten forty five

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am when I got to Room thirty
eight Bunco Fugitive Detail. Friday captain by

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bringing him in. Now, let's
sit on thanks. There's the Mama sheet

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on him. Oh, gentlemen,
Wallace, I thought he was out of

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our hair for good. So did
Idols turned up I heard he was working

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New York. Look at the package
on this guy. Uh, it was

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like a good sized dictionary. Yeah. Checked the date of his first arrest

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there on June second, nineteen thirteen. He's been an out of jail all

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over the country. Muglayanne County,
Oregon, forgery, bum checked, Beef,

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San Francisco, nineteen fourteen, Bezmond, sant Anna, parole violation,

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Seattle, Portland, more checks,
Reno Billings, Montana, Fordery nineteen twenty,

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Dayton, Ohio, Pittsburgh, New
York, grand larceny, Bunco raps,

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Las Vegas, Cleveland, Chicago.
That's only the first page. There's

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a couple more there. Yeah,
he's like a novel, just about as

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long. What's the story on Wallace's
time? What have we got? He

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reached a couple of used car dealers
Saturday took him for two thousand each,

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and we can't touch him? Why
not? How do you work it?

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Saturday afternoon he went to a car
lot in the corner of South third in

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Washington. He bought a nineteen forty
eight Lincoln Sedan, showed him his identification,

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wrote a check for fifteen hundred dollars
for a down payment and drove away

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another bum check deal that's a little
more than that. About forty five minutes

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after he left, he drove into
another used car a lot two blocks away

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from the place where he bought the
Lincoln. Yeah. Told the salesman there

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that he didn't like the car and
he wanted to trade it in on another

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one. Salesman offered him nine hundred
dollars less than he paid for it.

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Wallace accepted and offered them a personal
check to cover the balance, and the

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salesman went for it. Almost Wallace
seems so anxious to get rid of the

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car that the clerk got suspicious.
But it was late Saturday and he couldn't

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call a bank on Wallace's check,
so he called a place where Wallace bought

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the car. That's right. They
found out that the sale was made less

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than an hour before Wallace had given
them his personal check for it. Mmm.

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And then the two used car dealers
got on the phone, decided that

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Wallace was pulling a fan hustle,
called the cop and had him jail hold

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that light him away m h thanks
yeah, then what oh? In the

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bank's open Monday morning, they called
about Wallace's account. They had enough money

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in to cover both checks. Wallace
got a lawyer and threatened suit against the

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two car dealers. He had both
of them cold. He set a lout

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of court for two thousand apiece quick
deal. Sounds like a master. He's

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been drifting for thirty five years.
Knows the con game anyway they want to

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play it. We can't even book
him on a bag charge. He's got

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a job. And who's he working
for him? Plastic outfit out in Pasadena?

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Salesman? Is he registered under fifty
two thirty eight? Yes? No,

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in just a minute, Yeah,
all right, send him in lit

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Merril. He's got Wallace with him. Uh huh, Ben Wallas, this

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is capn Bryce Captain. I'm very
happy to know you. I've read a

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lot about you. Yeah, saut
to Friday. How are you? We

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would like to talk to you,
Wallace saddan Oh, thanks, Walmot today

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aspiring Now what is it I can
help you, gentlemen with always glad to

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cooperate, and you don't have to
give us a build up, Wallace,

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we're not buying you know me better
than that, Sergeant. No point in

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making this visit an unpleasant one.
Cordiality, that's a secret My mother used

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to tell me that. She used
to say, good mister, you're not

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here to get the keys to the
city hall. You're here for investigation.

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I'm here out of courtesy, Captain. My lawyer informed me I didn't have

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to come. I don't believe in
making enemies. That's all a guy that's

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not trying. You've done pretty well, haven't you. How long do you

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plan to stay here in town?
Los Angeles is my home, it's my

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place of business. That's fine with
us, Wallace, just as long as

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it's honest. Let me hand you
a piece of advice. You try comping

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any more jobs in this town,
and we're going to lean on you.

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Understand. I don't think I do
understand, Captain. The incident with the

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used car dealers. I hope that
isn't what upset you you guessed did,

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and it better be the last keeper
you try around here for a long time.

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I had every right to take action
against those car dealers, false arrests.

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They humiliated me. My reputation.
Here's your reputation, Wallace, thirty

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five years of it, ten jail
terms, largely bunkle forgery. Have you

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ever heard of rehabilitation? Sergeant Oh? Yeah, I did my time.

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I don't owe them a day.
I got an honest job. I've been

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off the grift for years now,
and take a hind Wall's day off.

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You'll do better, that's all,
Wallace. Just remember the next time we

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tag you, you're gonna fall hard. You got it straight, Captain.

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I've been square since I got to
town. I'm not switchy, Is that

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it? That's all? Well,
that wasn't so bad. Would you gentlemen

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care to have some lunch with me
at the club? Justice nag Oh,

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thanks, sure, I can't persuade
you. And club's just up the street.

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Fine for some other time, Wallace, goodbye, well, goodbye,

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sergeant, goodbye to you. Captain. Yeah, well we gave him the

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word. I don't know how much
good it's gonna do. What do you

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thanks? Two things about drifters They
never retire and they never change watch them.

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In the next four months, Charles
Wallace was kept under surveillance from his

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daily actions. There was nothing to
indicate that he'd returned to his former profession

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of confidence. Man from experience,
we knew it was too good to be

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true for a man who had worked
the con game from every conceivable angle,

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for as long as Wallace had,
chances of his going straight amounted to less

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than one in a thousand, just
as a dope addict as a slave to

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drugs. The full fledged con man
or grifter is obsessed with the idea of

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swindling for a living. He loves
his work and he takes pride in it

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just as much as a doctor,
a lawyer, or any legitimate professional man.

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He has a life and a code
of ethics all his own, even

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has his own language. The grifter's
victims are wealthy, middle class, and

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poor, and many more than the
average citizen imagines. Wednesday, December first,

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one pm, Ben and I had
lunch and checked back in at the

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office. Food's getting better at the
cafeteria. Don't you think beef stew is

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pretty good? You got an extra
coat hanger in your locker? Oh yeah,

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yeah, here you are, Thanks, Hi Connor, Joe. Do

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you see this report? The post
office details sent over? I mean that

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lonely hearts an No, this is
a different one, real twist. How

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do you mean, Harry? I
mean, look, huh here, Barney

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Grant. It's the name he uses
anyway. A couple of weeks ago he

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planted a small one ad in the
newspapers around town. Been cleaning up ever

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since. How'd he working here?
Take a look at the add he was

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running. Remember, tomorrow is the
last day to send your dollar the box

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five six five Main Post Office,
Los Angeles. Was that all? That's

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all it took the last couple of
days. Been getting about forty letters a

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day from people in the city with
a dollar in each one. AD doesn't

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promise a thing, Just send your
dollar. People send him. They picked

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the guy up, Harry. He
called for the last batch of letters two

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days ago, probably pulled out.
Postal inspectors checked the address he gave when

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he applied for the box. I
never heard him there, Barney Grant.

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That sounds familiar to you, Ben
Little Yeah, maybe R and I has

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a package on it. Ryan,
see him right, Captain Ben, you

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and Connan want to check that name
through R and I. I'll be in

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the skipper. Yeah, okay,
Friday close it all. Yeah, sure.

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This is mister Sawyer. He's with
the Western Central Railroad. Sergeant Friday,

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Sergeant OHI, it's about Wallace Friday. Mister Sawyer has a complaint against

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him. We've got the crime report. Gentleman Wallace. Yeah, you want

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to fill him in, mister Sawyer, Well, sergeant, I'm employed as

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a standards engineer for the Western Central
Railroad. Wallace first approached me about a

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month ago. He said he was
an inventor and he was working on plans

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of a new type of air brake
for use on railroad cars. I'm glad.

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He said he'd conceive the idea,
but that he needed more time and

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money to perfect his invention. He
told me I'd share in half of the

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profits he got from his idea.
It sounded more than fair. How much

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money did you give him? All
I have in my savings account three thousand.

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I talked it over with the wife, and the idea looked real good

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on paper. Yeah. I didn't
expect to make too much money for myself

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out of this, but I thought
of the fight could get a hold of

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this breaking system, it would certainly
help the company out. Mm hmm.

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He took your money and you haven't
heard from him. Well. I presented

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the plans to the chief specifications engineer
in our Eastern office. Yeah, I

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got an answer yesterday airmail. Our
New York office has been working for two

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years on exactly the same set of
break plans. You get a hold of

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them from the Patent Bureau in Washington. The company has a patent pending on

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under device. It's all legal in
it. Yes, yes, he simply

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got the information from them, drew
up an exact copy and submitted them to

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me. He sold you an invention
that your company already owned. Yes,

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sir, and I'm out three thousand
dollars. You know where Wallace might be

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now we've checked the boarding house where
he was staying. He left there last

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night, no forwarding address, nothing, We've got on all our points bulletined

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on him. Do everything we can. Well, thank you, Captain Sergeant

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Friday, you have my card.
If there's anything I can do to help,

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please call all right, mister Sawyer, Goodbye's a line you're looking for,

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Joe. Let's see what's that right
now? On that phony ad the

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post office detail reported this morning.
Check the name Barney Grant through the crime

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index. That's naming the guy you. Yeah, this is the package and

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gentleman and Wallace thanks right as any. His list goes for three pages.

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Wadam again, Charles French Watered Grant, Charles Grant, Barney Grant's tract Denman

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Wallace, Barney Grant, same guy. We got out a local broadcast,

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an APV, and a radiogram on
Charles Gentleman Wallace. For a full month

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there wasn't a sign of him.
Then we received a communication from the Denver,

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Colorado Police Department. Wallace had cast
worthless checks in that city in the

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amount of two five hundred dollars,
and then he'd skipped down. But before

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he left Denver he managed another deal. He sold thirty cartons of electric razors,

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which one did not belong to him, two had been stolen from another

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con man and resold in. Three
the raisers didn't work in the first place.

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The mechanisms had been taken out and
replaced with lead weights. Another sixty

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days passed before we got the next
report on Wallace from Cleveland, Ohio,

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by means of forged papers too well
versed assistance to ropers in a fast line

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of talk. Wallace had sold a
Cleveland hardware concerned a shipment of tenpenny nails,

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much below the market price. He
collected twelve hundred dollars as partial payment

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for the shipment, but it was
never delivered. Eight am Monday, March

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third, Then and I checked in
for work after a weekend off and found

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a message in the book to report
the chief, Detective stad Brown, Chief

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you wanted to see you come in? Yes, sir, gentlemen, Wallace

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is back in town. Where'd you
get that? God in the name of

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Patterson? So all right, thanks
Pagan. How Pattison brought to the interrogation

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room? Is that mouse Patterson's giving? Yeah, small time drifter. He

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was running with Wallace's latters a month
ago back in Pittsburgh. When was Pattison

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picked up last night at a big
hotel out in Hollywood? Was working a

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fast deal? You think he came
to down the watte? I know he

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did one of Conin's the performance spotted
Wallace and Patterson last night. We nabbed

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Patterson. Wallace slipped away figured but
they didn't hop operating in out of the

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city of about two weeks. Any
idea what his angle is this time?

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I think? So? Take a
look this obituary notices slipped in the newspaper.

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Out of these times. The con
artist takes a dead man's name from

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the obituary list, finds out a
little bit about him, and writes him

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a letter. He writes a dead
man a letter. There's a sample we

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had reported to us. Read it
William Radford, two thirty three South Brook

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Way, Hollywood. Their bill.
I heard you were sick, and I

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didn't wanna bother you at this time, but believe me, I'm desperate.

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I don't mean to hound you about
the four hundred dollars you're borrowed from me,

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but we are having sickness in our
family and I do need the cash.

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Wait a minute, well, it's
rights a letter like this to a

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man knowing he's dead, and the
family opens it and reason and they figure

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it's some unpaid debt that they didn't
know about which the deceased owed. That's

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right, and the con man collects. Yeah, lot has been showing up

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right in the middle of funeral arrangements. The family's breathed pretty strictly caught off

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guard. They don't suspect anybody to
be that ruthless, so they all that

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they think is a legitimate debt.
That's that's a new load in excuse ron

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speaking. All right, thinks I
got Patterson the interrogation room to questions and

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find out everything you can. Right, you through talking to Patterson, you

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can start checking on these names well, what's this. It's a list of

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all the names that appeared in the
obituary column in today's paper. Long list.

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Don on the Meiberger checking half.
You and Ramearra take the rest right,

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get to those families before Wallace does. They went down the hall of

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the interrogation room and questioned Patterson for
an hour and a half. He denied

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that even knew Wallace. They refused
to tell us anything we had. Patterson

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returned to his cell in the County
jail, and Ben and I started at

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to check with the relatives of the
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Adams, Connolly, Craig, Denburgh, Donzetti, Edmunds Power. None

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of them would received letters claiming payment
of secret debts owed by the deceased.

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Well, there are more pleasant jobs
and bothering families with an investigation in the

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middle of their sorrow. There wasn't, but it was necessary. The eighth

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name on the obituary list was Foreman
Carl j. He was survived by his

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wife Jean. She lived at fifty
eight twenty one Santiago Street out in the

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valley. We're sorry to intrude at
a time like this, miss Foreman.

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We know how you must feel,
but it's an important matter, that's all

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right. Sergeant Carl was sick for
so long. Probably better this way.

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What did you want to know since
your husband passed away? If you received

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any letters asking for payments on a
debt that he might have owed to somebody.

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It's funny you should ask, you
say, have I got it yesterday?

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Yesterday? Do you know the man
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I didn't. I took it for
granted that it was someone called you in

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the army, someone he borrowed from
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He said, your husband knowed him
four hundred dollars. There's a letter over

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the mindle. I'll get it for
you. Fine. Here it is thank

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you, signs his name Howard Michaels. This man contacted you since? Why

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has he called me last night and
said that he just heard about Carl?

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He polo for writing a letter,
said he had some medical bills of his

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own to pay. I went to
the bank this morning and got the money

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for him. Is there anything wrong? And he's supposed to come here and

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get the money he already has.
About two hours ago, he seemed to

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be a very good friend of Carl's
Ben You got that mug shut on?

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Yeah, yeah, here, I
don't understand, Sergeant. Is this the

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man who picked up the money this
morning? Yes, that's mister Michaels.

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Don't you think he was Carl's friend. I don't think so, Miss Forman,

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But no one would do that.
Who could be that low? You're

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looking at his picture, miss Foreman. His name's Wallace. You are listening

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to Dragnet for the step by step
solution to an actual police case. Over

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the past century, the confidence Man
here in the United States has earned the

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dubious title of aristocrat of the underworld. Among small time thieves, cutthroats,

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dope peddlers, pickpockets, and similar
small fry. He's looked up to and

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respected. The true Cohn Man does
not consider himself a crook or a thief

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in the ordinary sense of the word. He's smooth, courteous, fast talking,

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and he lives by his own code
of rules. He never uses violence.

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He makes his living by his wits
alone. Generally, he's far above

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average intelligence, and he's totally without
a conscience. He thinks no more of

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fleecing a day laborer of his wages
than he would have fleecing a millionaire because

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of their carefully planned operations. Only
a handful of confidence men are ever brought

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to trial. Monday, March third, six pm, Ben and I completed

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our interviewers with the families of the
deceased and returned to the office. Hi,

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you two having luck. Wallace is
a guy we found out that money

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who identified him? Woman out in
the valley a missus foreman pose as an

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old friend of her husband's, took
her for four hundred bucks. How about

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Colin and my Berg? You haven't
they get anything? I haven't checked in

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yet. I'm waiting for him.
How does missus foreman make a payoff to

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Wallace through the mails? No,
sir, he came out and picked up

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the doing person and then there's no
chance of tracing him through the post office.

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Seems like he comes up with a
new mo every day. We checked

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out the rest of the families of
the deceased on the list Chief gave us

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no Leeds, don Myers and the
handwriting checked the letter missus foreman got the

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writing matches or the others. It's
Wallace all right? No Conlin, my

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bird with you down the hall and
handwriting checking a couple of letters of myers.

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Do any good today, Harry?
Some found two families got phony letters

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to the mail, same deal,
Wallace. Did you pay off to him?

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Yet? Neither one told him to
sit tight and call us if the

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guy should contact him again? Explain
the setup? Who are the people,

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h let's see. One's an old
fella, Oscar Donn lives over in Highland

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Park. Others are pretty wealthy family
bell Air. Here it is Elizabeth Seacur.

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She's the wife. Husband's name Burton
James Seacort, investment broker died day

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before yesterday. How much of a
debt is he supposed to devote? Claims

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twelve hundred bucks, signed himself,
William Kilbright. The letters mentioned anything about

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how the payoffs supposed to be me
I wrote, contact him by phone first

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that make arranges to meet him.
Both families will call as soon as they

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hear from now. If he doesn't
changes him, Oh, we're sat con

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on You and my Berg stick with
the family in Island Park. Make sure

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they understand perfectly what the setup is. Wall Up makes a contact. Be

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there. Okay, Cat, Joe, you and Ben cover the family out

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in bell Air. Okay, you
got the sea Corps address here, and

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here's the crime report. It's got
all the dope. Good, well,

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I'll grab bunco fugitive Conlin. Yes, ma'am. When all right, thanks,

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we'll take care of it seas well, let's just call him. What's

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the pitch? Once it pays respects, he's going to visit him to night.

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Seven thirty five pm, Monday,
March third, Ben and I drove

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out to the bell Air to the
Sea Corps place. It was an English

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type mansion with a circular driveway out
in front. The wake for mister Seacorr

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was being held in the living room. The butler showed us into the library,

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where Missus Seacorp was way. She
told us everything that had transpired since

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she first received the letter from Wallace
following her husband's death. She said Wallace

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had promised to be at her home
promptly at nine pm. We waited,

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nine pm, came and went.
We told her that if the suspect should

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call to make any concessions, we
agree to anything in order to set up

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a meeting with him. At ten
minutes past ten, the phone in the

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library rang. Missus Seacorr answered it. If I listened in on the extension.

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I'm terribly sorry, missus Seacor.
I did want to get out to

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pay my last respects, but I'm
afraid that will be impossible. Oh,

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I'm sorry you won't be able to
come. I'd like to settle up that

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debt, the money that Burton knowed
you. I do hope you understand,

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missus secus. It's very difficult for
me to bring up such a subject at

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this time of your bereavement. But
I do have need of the money.

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You see, it's my wife.
She's quite ill and will there are medical

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expenses to be made. Oh,
I understand. When would you like to

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come for the money? Well?
Would tomorrow be all right? My husband's

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funeral is tomorrow? Oh I see? Well where will that be? At

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the cathedral on Sunset Boulevard. A
requiar mass at St Marya's at nine o'clock.

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Well, since I don't want to
bother you personally anymore, I wonder

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if it would be possible for you
to leave the cash with the head usher

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there at the church. Well,
yes, all right, I think that

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would be the best way. All
right, then, good night and thank

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you, yes, good night.
I'm sorry, No, that's not easy

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for you that's all right, sergeant. It's strange, isn't it. What's

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sir? One man burns out his
whole life making money, the next man

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spends his time trying to steal it. What does it all mean? I

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don't know. We got twenty six
hundred men down in the County of Jail.

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We all think they've got the right
answer. Tuesday, March fourth,

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nine am, in Saint Mary's Cathedral
on Sunset Boulevard, the Final Rights a

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requiem high Mass was being celebrated for
Burton. James, Secor, Ben and

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I were stationed at the rear of
the church. Conlin and Meberg, together

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with two other men from Bunco detail
covered the side exits. An extra detail

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of men were placed at strategic points
around the cathedral. The head usher stood

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a few feet from the main entrance. With him, he carried a plane

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manila envelope filled with pieces of newspaper
cut to resemble the size of currency,

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along with a single dollar bill.
He had instructions to hand over the envelope

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without questions of the person who asked
for it. Fifteen minutes past nine,

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jolle, Yeah, we'll see that
head usher all right. Well, yeah,

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I'm gonna spot it all right.
Pretty good sized crowd here. Seacor

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Usta had lots of friends. I
am nice choir. Just wondering, Joe,

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what's say lose? He doesn't chill
that. That's possible. He might

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have gotten suspicious. Could be what
time you got now? It's nine?

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Twenty yo. Uniform messager just came
in the door. Yeah, he was

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looking around. He's going up to
the usher talking to him. That's sand

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unsh gave him the envelope, us, lady, let's hold it, give

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him a lead. All right,
let's go. Let's go, Ben,

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don't lose him. He's getting into
that cab. Come on, slide over.

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You got the cab number, Yeah, let's move. Ten thirty am.

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Then and I trailed the cab to
a bus depot in downtown Los Angeles.

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We followed the messenger in and watched
him check them in all the envelope

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and a key locker. Wa wait. At eleven forty five am, another

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uniform messenger entered the bus depot,
picked up the envelope, and left.

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We followed him to the Union Railroad
station, where he left the envelope at

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the traveler's aid desk. At three
pm, the envelope was still there,

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unclaimed. No sign, Joe,
what do you think? It's a pretty

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fancy switch he's got worked on?
Yeah? What times the next train?

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Leave three twenty five Coast Limited for
sentrancs good three twenty one. Now wait

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a minute. She had porter over
at the desk and told them to that

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girl there. I don't know that's
it. She's giving him the envelope.

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Come out here. He's heading up
the rampa. Let's hustle. You turned

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up the left, Yeah, passenger
platform Coast Limited. Not much time?

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Come on, run, Come on, Ben, where'd the porter get on?

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Next car? Come on? Run? Jump this way through here,

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that's the same forta. He's knock
at the door to that compartment, handing

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in the envelope. Let's go,
yes, slock, knock, Yes,

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what is it? What is all
right? Ben? Now look, sergeant,

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there's no need for any unpleasantness.
Certainly we can sit down and talk

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this thing over like intelligent human beings. We have the luggage that your Ben.

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All right, let's go Wallace.
Look wait a minute, please,

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I'm sure we can come to some
agreement. I have plenty of money.

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Look right here alone in this envelope, but plenty of that's only athology.

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The rest is newspaper. I've been
taken solve a lot of people. Let's

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go. The story you have just
heard was true, only the names were

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changed to protect the innocent. On
June twenty third, trial was held in

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Superior Court Department eighty seven, City
and County of Los Angeles, State of

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California. In a moment the results
of that trial, Charles Gentleman Wallace was

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tried and convicted on four counts of
grand theft and sentenced to the state penitentiary

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for the term prescribed by law,
with hulls being placed on him by four

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other states. You have just heard
Dragnet authentic cases from official fires. Technical

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advice for Dragnet comes from the office
of Chief of Police W. A.

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Wharton, Los Angeles Police Department.
Dragnet wishes to thank the editors of True

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Detective magazine for their considerate appraisal of
this program. For those of you who

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may be interested, The behind the
scenes story of Dragnet appears in the March

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issue of True Detective. Fatima Cigarettes, the best of all Long Cigarettes,

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has brought you Dragnet from Lost Tomorrow. Here the Ronald Pullmans in the charming

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series Hauls of Ivy on NBZ,
Welcome Back. My favorite part of this

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episode is the end where Gentleman Wallace
is so outraged that he'd been conned.

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Overall, great details on so many
different types of cons. Although the obituary

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racket would be the focus of another
episode and I kind of appreciated having it

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more developed than that one, This
episode, in particular, showcased one of

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Dragnet's strengths. Most other detective programs
of the era were focused on violent crime,

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mostly murders, but Dragnet actually ran
the entire gamut of criminal activity and

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at the same time used the details
of the crime and the investigation to really

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make for an an interesting program.
And this would have effects outside of Dragnet.

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In the nineteen fifties, it become
trendy to talk about mostly nonviolent grifters.

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One of the great early television crime
shows along with Dragnet was Racket Squad,

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which had its exclusive focus on con
games, and other programs like A

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Man Behind the Badge would dedicate episodes
to various types of ons, such as

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the oilstot con, which was often
quite popular among con men working in rural

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areas, and of course we'd have
the radio series Easy Money, but Dragnet

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has to be seen as leading the
way and showing the story telling potential around

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less sensational crime. One detail I
appreciated that I didn't really notice before was

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the sound design of the funeral.
I wonder how they did it, although

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working for NBC, it wouldn't have
been difficult to find a choral group somewhere

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around the studios or to get one
together, but it definitely didn't sound like

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they put in a record. Again, there are all of these little details

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that demonstrate jack Web's dedication and intention
to making every scene seem real. Well,

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now we turn to listener comments and
feedback, and we start with some

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of the letters that accompanied recent donations. Rown and Nancy Wright still enjoying all

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you do, and Sherry says,
love, love, love your programs,

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especially Johnny Dollar, Rocky Jordan,
let George do It, and I love

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the five part series, and Ed
writes, thanks for podcasting the great detectives

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of old time radio. It has
given me many hours of enjoyment, especially

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like Casey Crime photographer, Johnny Dollar, Dragnet, Tales of the Texas Ranger,

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and Box thirteen, I'm not too
keen on Mister Chameleon or Dangerous Assignment.

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Well, thank you so much,
appreciate the comments. And I will

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say regarding Mister Chameleon and Dangerous Assignment, we only have a few more months

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in our current run through those series, so if you're not enjoying them,

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I hope you enjoy what comes afterwards. And then we had a couple of

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comments on the Child Killer from Instagram
Sheila Wright's sad story, and then Marty

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writes on Facebook listen yesterday, great
episode. Well, thank you so much,

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appreciate you taking time to leave those
comments. Now it's time to thank

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our Patreon supporter of the day,
and I want to go ahead and think

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Charlie. Charlie has been one of
our Patreon supporters since October twenty nineteen,

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currently supporting the podcast at the seamous
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Thank you so much for your support, Charlie, and that will do

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it for today. If you're enjoying
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favorite podcast software and be sure to
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it from. We will be back
next Saturday with another episode of Dragnet,

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but join us back here on Monday
for the Adventures of the Falcon wear my

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right hand, did, mister Sauns
tell you? Tell me what why I

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busted my hand in the eighth of
the Gosha fight you but so that's why

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you slowed it. Sure it's a
bad break. Doc doesn't know if it'll

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ever hear right. And Saunders was
doing me a favor unloading you. Oh

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that's just great, Daddy. Say
wait a minute, mister Macy, you

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think mister Saunas jipped you intentionally?
Are you kidding? I don't know.

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I always trusted him. You talk
so honest. Sure he's got a great

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line. I don't believe he's a
crook. He was always good to me.

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He gave you the heave ho as
soon as you slipped the cod and

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he told me he was getting out
of the fight game because you busted your

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men. Would be But I hope
you're wrong, mister Macy. I sure

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hope you're wrong. Look, kid, I hate to destroy your faith in

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man case. It's not my faith
I'm worried about, mister Macy. It's

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my fifteenth grand Mister Saunders held back
part of my cut of the gates in

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the last couple of fights that he
was gonna invest it for. Oh fine,

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mister Macy that lawyer you're gonna say, do you figure he could take

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on an extra client? Hope you'll
be with us then in the meantime,

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send your comments to Box thirteen at
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Graham, Sign and AF