1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Hey man, thanks for getting your pot on. This one's a little different. 2 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:06,120 I love doing the one on ones, so every once in a while 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:11,039 we'll do that. This one today is with a Rochester legend whose business is 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,519 known around the world, armand Shawbrook from the Great House of Guitars and the 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:20,079 conversation much like the Great House of Guitars. It's like meandering the aisles, 6 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:24,679 but there's a lot of treasures in this conversation, so I hope you enjoy 7 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:28,039 it. But first, Iron Smoke Distillery. Would you believe it if I 8 00:00:28,079 --> 00:00:33,600 said I just poured a glass of the legendary applewood smoke whiskey from Ironsmoke. 9 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:39,520 Oh so good, carefully handcrafted aids to perfection, absolutely delicious. 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Want a way 19 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:21,519 to usher in the weekend, just hanging out, having a craft cocktail, 20 00:01:21,599 --> 00:01:27,640 listening to the Tyler and then a favorite of many, Jumbo Shrimp. Taking 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:33,719 the stage the main stage at eight o'clock Friday night, Iron Smoke Distillery. 22 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:42,239 You know where it is, Fairport, New York. Baby Paul Connors and 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Fairness at two six two comp Today Comedy After Carlson has the best medicine for 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,159 your life. It's called laughter. You should be laughing every day. You 25 00:01:49,159 --> 00:01:53,599 know those stupid signs you buy a target, live, love, laugh, 26 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,480 Well, it's important you need to laugh. 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You can do that at Comedy at the Carlson, 35 00:02:32,479 --> 00:02:44,840 tickets at showtimes at Carlson Comedy dot com and driven by Victor it's Billified the 36 00:02:45,000 --> 00:03:00,960 Bill Moran Podcast. Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot 37 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:05,000 on, Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we supported the pirate ship 38 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:08,159 and spread the word. Speaking of pirate ships, today, I am in 39 00:03:08,199 --> 00:03:15,199 the legendary store that ate your brain, the Great House of Guitars with arm 40 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:20,080 and Shawbrook. How's it going, by friend, And it's going really well. 41 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:25,159 You know, it's funny to me because you look around here and it's 42 00:03:25,159 --> 00:03:30,199 like an organized chaos. Yes, you know. I remember coming in here 43 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,439 asking for albums and people would just sift through and within seconds you'd have it. 44 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,319 You'd have it. And I was telling you before we started, like 45 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,199 one of my first experiences. When I came to Rochester, I went to 46 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Saint John Fisher University was coming for a midnight release for the Pearl jam Imports 47 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:49,240 with my roommate. Oh yeah, back and back then. But you have 48 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:53,479 built something. Do you think of yourself as iconic? No, I don't 49 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:59,000 look at it that way, but I mean the store itself is world renowned. 50 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,800 I mean yeah, And uh, we were hoped, we were kind 51 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,919 of planning that we were gonna gonna get pretty big in the beginning. Were 52 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:13,159 but we started out very humble. We were pretty broken in their early days. 53 00:04:13,199 --> 00:04:17,600 We had to sleep behind the amps because we couldn't afford insurance, you 54 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:21,680 know, and uh for the store, and we'd wake up in the morning 55 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:27,879 when somebody was knocking at the door. And then but now that where was 56 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,439 that? Because you originally was in your mom's basis right right, right. 57 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:38,720 But I feel like the whole idea has been to sort of uh in a 58 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,160 way I don't want to see buck the system, but almost to be kind 59 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,600 of that rabble rouser, only in that the other guitar shops at the time 60 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:50,279 weren't allowing you to play right. You couldn't touch the equipment right, and 61 00:04:50,319 --> 00:04:55,439 you guys went, well, that doesn't work right, and uh uh they 62 00:04:55,439 --> 00:04:59,600 were kind of like jewelry stores, look but don't touch. And if you're 63 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,399 young, you gotta come back with your parents. Are not going to give 64 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:06,839 you any tention at all. Yeah, but they and then when you got 65 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:11,000 there, they took down a guitar. They didn't have a lot of them, 66 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,480 they had a few good ones, and then they put it down on 67 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,360 a little rug on the glass case. Then you could just look at it 68 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:19,160 and they talked price, you know, and I was but you couldn't pick 69 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,879 it up here what it sounded like, you like, would have felt in 70 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,519 your hand. Definitely couldn't. They didn't usually leave and let you touch it, 71 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,120 but uh, definitely wouldn't plug you in, you know. But at 72 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,560 the same time, in the cellar of my mother's house there's young kids all 73 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:39,399 over the cellar pounding through big M's you know. It was total opposite. 74 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,600 And they didn't like they didn't like us coming in. So you couldn't trade 75 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,480 in back then because they thought the US would make the new look bad. 76 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,759 Yes, but we didn't care. We were trading everything for anything. We're 77 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:57,600 totally changed. So what a music stort was you know, yeah, almost 78 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,920 anti establishment in a in a way, would that be fair to say it? 79 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,000 You're probably right, but we weren't aiming for their assists that we were. 80 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:11,879 You knew what you were young ourselves and yeah, so from there it 81 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,639 grows and eventually you came to the location we're at, yes, in what 82 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,040 seventy one seventy two around there, and we, uh, we had some 83 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:25,160 trouble getting the building and uh, why was that because because of who you 84 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:27,279 were and what you were doing. Not not not who you were, but 85 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,120 more like they didn't want music in here or they kind of like stores that 86 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:39,759 just uh worked with a rundicoit itself, you know, but they didn't like 87 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,399 stores it would draw from all over. Yeah, and you know, and 88 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:48,079 they were even they were nervous and hippies and hippies were just college kids most 89 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,319 of them, you know. But you weren't a hippie. No, I 90 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:55,360 wasn't a hippie. I always think like you were more. Maybe I'm wrong, 91 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:58,800 but I always got kind of a fifties vibe. Yeah, I grew 92 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:01,439 up in the fifties. Yeah, so that kind of rockabilly music you've played, 93 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,680 I've seen you play. I saw you out here. Oh yeah at 94 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,040 I square jump up and I was blown away. Oh my god, I 95 00:07:09,079 --> 00:07:12,720 had no idea. Oh thanks, I didn't know you played. But were 96 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:15,600 there bands and things grown up? And were you part of bands? Yes? 97 00:07:15,319 --> 00:07:19,319 I had a one of their early Well I recorded when I was like 98 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:27,319 fifteen years old on South Avenue when South Avenue and Saint Paul kind of meets, 99 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,680 and it was like six floors up at Vince Jan's studio, and I 100 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:36,160 remember I had to wait until Jane Cornish, one of his local bands, 101 00:07:36,319 --> 00:07:42,240 was recording, and then afterward I went up with my little Soupro guitar. 102 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,839 It's an electric guitar, but in expensive fun and I did showdown and uh 103 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:51,720 roaming deer like d E A R. You know. I did my two 104 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:58,519 songs and left with an acetate you know wow. And then I had friends 105 00:07:58,519 --> 00:08:03,240 like voted. Uh remember BBF you say that call in where you get you 106 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,079 can call in? And so you had your friends? Yeah, yeah, 107 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,879 why not? I spread the word. I would even hey, he marketed 108 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,839 yourself. I'd call around and like I'd sing for one girl over the phone 109 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:18,600 and then should give me another friend and another friend I'd be singing my song 110 00:08:18,079 --> 00:08:22,399 one on one. Wow, like a politician, you gotta go door to 111 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:26,519 door, yeah, shake hands yeah. And then they all voted and liked 112 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,879 it. And then Nick Nixon called me, and then I went up to 113 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:35,559 BBF and then, uh, he says, it's good, but I can't 114 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,840 play it. I don't have a BMI or aspect because I was I was 115 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:45,000 only above fifteen sixty independent stuff. Anyway, I don't know it. But 116 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,000 he said, we can't play it without one or the other. And I 117 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,720 and I just left wondering, bewilder, what is it BM What is the 118 00:08:52,759 --> 00:08:56,600 aspect? I don't right right because it's it's just the way that they were 119 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,360 making money. It was like nineteen fifty eight, you know, I was 120 00:09:01,399 --> 00:09:07,240 around then. So uh, but then I I got a roundiquay when I 121 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,879 first had the radio station, and and uh arouniquay. They played in an 122 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:16,679 home room and then I got a lot of attention after all day. You 123 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:22,039 know, Oh, there was a radio power radio station here and in uh 124 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,720 in the high school, made in the high school. So they played at 125 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,480 w r R R i Q. Yeah. Now it's amazing. What a 126 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,399 guitar and a little talent can do when it comes to the female persuasion. 127 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,120 Well, rock and roll was brand no, and I don't think any of 128 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,720 the DJs liked it at all. So really yeah, I mean they liked 129 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:43,840 what they were playing before, you know, how much as they had Doggie 130 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:46,960 in the window, the one with the waggle tail. Yeah, songs like 131 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,600 that. You know. So when I started in radio, was the original 132 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,279 hits of the forties, fifties and sixties. Oh well in Poughkeepsie, So 133 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,720 I started playing all that stuff, which was I mean ancient music to me 134 00:09:56,759 --> 00:10:00,039 at the time, but it was this stuff. So yeah, you're so 135 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,360 you're really in a groundbreaking time musically and everything. They're like, if it's 136 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,720 stakes, it might make it. Yeah, they didn't like it, Yeah, 137 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,279 but that was that was the idea, and you kind of knew what 138 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:16,000 the youth wanted. Yeah, which I was only you know, about seventeen 139 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,759 years old. So oh and how old were you when you started? Oh 140 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:22,600 I was about I was younger than yeah, I was sixteen fifteen, ye 141 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:26,600 done. Yeah when you when you started the store, what were you about 142 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:30,960 twenty twenty? Yeah, and you had lived here? What were you doing 143 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,039 prior to that? I graduated from high school. But I got in trouble 144 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,440 as a kid, and then I was sent up to Almira Reformatory for three 145 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:43,879 years, but I did a year and a half inside and then I was 146 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,240 paroled back to Rochester and I worked at Skips meat Market on Front Street and 147 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:54,200 Main Street. Yeah there's bullhead, yeah yeah, and i'd uh. I 148 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,600 learned a lot from mister Lombardo. He's passed away now, but he gave 149 00:10:58,639 --> 00:11:03,120 me a job from inside there and you need one to get out. And 150 00:11:03,159 --> 00:11:07,679 then I learned a lot from him. And then I started the House of 151 00:11:07,759 --> 00:11:11,200 guitars at the same time in the base under my house. But at that 152 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:16,159 back then it wasn't It was only open sporadically because she had had a work. 153 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:18,120 So you were just you. So you had they say at your house, 154 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,399 how where were you getting the guitars from? Were you purchasing them from? 155 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,679 Like I wouldn't spend no money on myself at all. Everything went back 156 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,320 in the store, and uh, we would just keep buying and buying us 157 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,559 from band members that were selling them. Oh and and so then you and 158 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,159 then you would so basically you were flipping guitars. Today they call it with 159 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,559 flipping cars and flip you were buying like used equipment, and said, that's 160 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:46,039 a great but we were buying nude too, buying you two right when you 161 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,840 could right, yeah. Yeah, And you're working at skips and you're on 162 00:11:48,919 --> 00:11:52,759 parole. Yeah, which is a whole thing because you got a parole officer 163 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:54,799 and all the right. May I ask what got you up to the reform 164 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:01,039 school? Uh, burgery. I committed to burgery and western running. Quite 165 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,799 they catch you. They just never caught us at the scene, but we 166 00:12:05,399 --> 00:12:09,879 one of the guys with us, I wasn't in on that one, but 167 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:15,039 he hit a gas station and broke in. Never no violence, it's always 168 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,399 at night. But he broke in and he stole the timing light and some 169 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:24,240 tires or something. But I wasn't on that one. And he he found 170 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:26,960 out a kid owned it, and we never stole from other kids. So 171 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:31,039 I told him, we'll just throw it on his lawn and you know, 172 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,240 take off. And he walked up to him and told him, sit a 173 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,120 man and robbed your store, But here's your stuff back. Is that what 174 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:45,080 he said? You? And that guy they cops picked him up. Well, 175 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,440 anyways, he was on I guess he was in a little trouble too, 176 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,240 and suddenly he showed up back at the station with the timing light that 177 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,240 was on the hot list, and then they broke Oh, so they broke 178 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:58,720 him even though he owned the store. No, no, he didn't know. 179 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,440 He just worked at a guest so he worked at it. So they 180 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,039 go, hey, here, this was on the hot list. What are 181 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:07,919 you doing with it? I thought it was stolen. Yeah, man, 182 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,080 that's and so they get it. That's all seems like a lot of time 183 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:15,120 for nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean, Look what today in 184 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:18,039 the city. They wouldn't do a nothing at No, nothing's a non violent 185 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:24,080 crime. Yeah. Yeah, And all the places we're hitting are insured and 186 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,679 usually they almost every time when they in the papers, they claim we took 187 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:31,039 way more than we tugged. Of course, you gonna make it sound good. 188 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:35,440 You gotta sell papers arm and you know that goes. That's interesting. 189 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,240 So out of that you come back was now you're a parent. I'm a 190 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,919 parent. Yes, if that happens, Mom worried, Dad worried about you 191 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,799 in the future. What are you gonna do? Did you get those speeches 192 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:54,919 or did it? My father was like a permanent member in the Canadegua hospital 193 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:58,080 since the World War Two. Okay, so I didn't know him that good 194 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,559 because you weren't allowed in unless you were sixteen year older. Okay, so 195 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:09,120 we if he felt good, he'd come out near the car and we'd see 196 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:11,519 him a little bit tough. We didn't really know him that well, but 197 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:15,960 we we liked him and loved him, but but not close. You know. 198 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,559 Sure, it's kind of weird. Yeah, that isn't tough. I 199 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,080 would assume. Yeah, And he tried to make it on the streets and 200 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,679 then he'd have a crack up in the middle of the night. He was 201 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,159 walking around with a knife, uh, making crow sounds. He worked as 202 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:33,799 a sniper or something as a marine. Was like a signal to signal. 203 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,360 Yeah, like the two snipers in the trees would call back and forth to 204 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:43,639 each other. Anyways, he's like sleepwalking looking for Japanese and making crow sounds. 205 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,919 So wow, you know he'd have to go back. Man. War 206 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,519 is just you know, wars ugly, Yeah, nothing pretty about it. 207 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:54,399 It's arms and heads flying, you know. So out of all that, 208 00:14:54,879 --> 00:15:00,639 you you you kind of do you wand up sort of being I would assume 209 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:03,159 mature at an early age. Is that fair to say? You know what 210 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:09,759 I'm saying independent because my mother were sure she had a work because uh, 211 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,919 they got to feed everybody. Yeah, well they we got a government check, 212 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,440 but it was very small, but it had to be just spent on 213 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:20,559 us. And she couldn't pay for her house that her and her husband bought 214 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,200 with the money, so she had a work to keep the house. And 215 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,879 then, uh, we had social workers all the time on us. Like 216 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:33,039 they even took my brother away and put them in a foster home for a 217 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,159 while because I wasn't old enough to watch them, according to them, but 218 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,960 you know, uh, it ended up we were getting hostile and they're the 219 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:46,159 social workers back then weren't like today's where they're really trying to help you. 220 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,840 Back then, they were, you know, looking for kids to take away, 221 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,480 and you know, and they're pretending they're reading a newspaper in front of 222 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:56,320 your house and a car. So is it fair to say like you? 223 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,679 I mean, man, you made lemonade at a lemon's right. I mean, 224 00:16:00,759 --> 00:16:03,159 when you think about that beginning and all the things that could have gone, 225 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:07,039 how angry you could be all this stuff. Every time I've run into 226 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,639 you, just seemed pretty laid back, pretty happy. Yeah, and and 227 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:15,159 everything seems to be working just fine. Yeah, I'm not proud of that 228 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:19,559 I stoled or anything. A kid. I'm embarrassed about it. I'm sorry. 229 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,559 It wasn't no problem. Yeah, but I mean it's all over, 230 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,080 kid. I mean I got arrested as a kid for a fake ID and 231 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:29,320 yeah, I mean, you know it, just this stuff happens, I 232 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,960 understand. So then from there you wind up the store keeps growing and growing 233 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,639 in popularity. What do you think it was that got it? Because I 234 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:41,960 would say this is internationally known, the Great House of Guitar is all over 235 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,200 the world. Yeah, so how does what? What's that like? If 236 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,639 you were to teach, let's say, I'm surprised, and maybe you have 237 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,480 been brought into teach a business course in a way to say, what is 238 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:59,120 that one thing that sets you over? I don't know, our ratitude, 239 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:04,599 Like I get we ended up with morals self morals that you know what I 240 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,400 mean? Like if I really found a wallet on the ground, I was 241 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:12,480 no longer that kid from at seventeen. I would try to find out whose 242 00:17:12,519 --> 00:17:15,759 it was and I wouldn't want to take it. You know what? I 243 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:18,240 mean, so you think that like just good business practices, yeah, and 244 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,799 being fair all the time. We were the first discount instruments too, because 245 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:27,440 we had low upkeep in our early days and they wouldn't go down a dime 246 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:30,559 back done the other music stories. Yeah, and we would cut it. 247 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,079 You know, well I could cut it and have I could cut it forty 248 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,680 percent stillmack fifty bucks. So this is funny to me, but it almost 249 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,000 feels like your upbringing kind of where you didn't have a lot. Yeah, 250 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:49,920 and then I mean the house of guitars now right, you can find anywhere 251 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,680 on the internet with the annual income or whatever is. But I think you've 252 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,559 always kept that mentality if I don't need a lot, I don't I don't 253 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:00,640 need And that helped you kind of help the cuss. We were actually happy, 254 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,359 my brother Bruce and my brother blaming at times he would be working at 255 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,400 the store. But we were actually happy when we were struggling in the early 256 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:15,279 days, when we were sleeping in stores and and uh, you know, 257 00:18:15,319 --> 00:18:18,319 and if we sold a guitar, we would we wouldn't spend that money. 258 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,960 If I gave a couple lessons, I'd take maybe friends that are hanging out 259 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:26,279 helping. I'd take them across the street and buy him a cup of coffee 260 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:32,440 and a hamburger. We were spoiling ourselves, but only music, lesson money. 261 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,759 Never h something that came out of a sale. You know, all 262 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:40,839 that went right back, right back, kept building more and more product. 263 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,440 So this, I mean slowly over the years. When do you think it 264 00:18:44,519 --> 00:18:48,960 really took off? Was it the eighties the nineties? Was it those TV 265 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,079 commercials he did when your eyes were glowing and you're hopping around with the money 266 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,000 ears. Oh, then we were exploding. Yeah, you were exploding. 267 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:59,039 I mean those ads are iconic, and what I love about it is and 268 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:03,920 this is the one thing I for everybody that's so important is authenticity. Yeah, 269 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,359 you are who you are. You didn't ever try to fit in anybody 270 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,839 else's mold. You were always just Yeah, I have an odd sense of 271 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,400 humor, yes, you know what I mean. But but you know, 272 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,200 we like people. We love our customers. Yeah, a lot of them 273 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,200 are actually friends. They've been shopping here for almost sixty years, you know, 274 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,079 so you know it's waiting on a buddy, you know. But then 275 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,759 you've gotten I mean to the point where I mean that wall back there has 276 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,400 you know, all the autograph autographs that people would be, you know, 277 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,759 just love to have themselves, you know, Steven Tyler signing the wall you 278 00:19:40,839 --> 00:19:42,319 had. Ozzy was a big thing in here. Yeah, he did three 279 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,559 in stores once with Randy Rhodes and he came back with Motley Crue and we 280 00:19:48,599 --> 00:19:52,519 had Motley Crue and Ozzie at the same time as he's sitting here and Mattley 281 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:56,799 Cruz in the vick for the Bick autograph. All this, you had the 282 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:02,359 place out of the and then is as he's drumming, Carmen Piece was upstairs 283 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:07,160 teaching a mass through drug class and police had barricades around all our buildings. 284 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,960 And I'm sure, yeah, how did so how did these connections happen? 285 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,279 Though? Like these guys walk in like they walk into a lot of stores, 286 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,640 I'm sure, yeah, but they keep coming back here. Well, 287 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:22,000 they were doing official in stores where they agreed to auta okay, and they 288 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:26,480 posed with pictures with the fans if they want to. Yeah. But I 289 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:32,480 remember at one point in my radio career, I was around the country station 290 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:33,440 in town. I wasn't on that, but we were in the same building 291 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,519 and Cheryl crocme by and I she shopped here, but she came to shop 292 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:41,599 here. She wasn't doing an in store. And that's what I'm saying. 293 00:20:41,599 --> 00:20:45,119 It's like the reputation of what the guitars were that it's it's got this iconic 294 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,400 everything about it is so authentic you're not going to find it anywhere else. 295 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:52,880 In her case, she was after kind of a rare guitar. It wasn't 296 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,200 old, but it was limited. It was a buck going signature medel Fender 297 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,720 okay, and she couldn't find it anywhere in the country and we had one, 298 00:21:03,079 --> 00:21:06,400 so she come charging. So she came in. But she's very brilliant. 299 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,279 She's pointing to all the guitars, the vintage ones. Yeah, that's 300 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:14,119 a fifty nine, that's a sixty two, Like do it you know, 301 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,279 really better than most of it. You got to look it up in the 302 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:22,759 book. We're pretty good at it. Yeah. But but she knew her 303 00:21:22,799 --> 00:21:26,720 stuff. She knew her stuff. That's impressive. Is there anybody that you 304 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:32,759 you met along the way that sort of disappointed you that you were you thought, 305 00:21:32,839 --> 00:21:34,640 maybe I'm a little disappointed. I know you're a huge by the way, 306 00:21:34,839 --> 00:21:38,039 Bob Dylan fan. Have you ever had Bob ever come to the store, 307 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,839 Not that we know of, because a lot of times he travels and 308 00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:45,359 Atagnato. Yeah. Now, I grew up down near Woodstock, Okay, 309 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,559 so as a kid I used to I mean it was like I would hear 310 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,160 stories of Dylan all the time and he wasn't there when I was growing up, 311 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,119 but he had been there and the band was still there, Leave on 312 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,880 Helm and all. And I always got like, as a child, was 313 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,599 here we go with another Bob Dylan story of people that I always But the 314 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,359 music was great. He was a great story or is a great story? 315 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,680 Great writer? Yeah? I mean is that your favorite? He's one of 316 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:15,440 my favorites. Yes, definitely. Yeah, in terms of I look up 317 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:22,240 to him as a great writer. Yeah, And I got to getting to 318 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,920 like him. It takes a little while because he sounded a little bit like 319 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,279 a hillbilly in the beginning. Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, 320 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,400 not a not a pretty voice. But but but his voice is effective, 321 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,599 even though he don't sing really well, but it's very effective. So 322 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:40,920 his words stand out when he does them, you know. Yeah, but 323 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:45,759 so many people were having like top ten hits off them, like Peter Paul 324 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:48,839 and Mary exploded, was blowing in the wind. And then you know the 325 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:55,880 birds with tambourine man and you know one one afternoon Hendrix with all along the 326 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,119 watch Tower. They're all Dylan written songs, you know. Yeah, and 327 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,960 uh uh a guy in Rochester this uh, this might be interesting. Uh. 328 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,480 Spider John Kerner lived in a Rundi quoit on Harvington Drive. But he 329 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:15,960 was on a Electra in the early days, kind of right before Dylan. 330 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,519 And he was in the Minesota scene. And he was helping teach Bob things 331 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:26,079 in the guitar before Bobe hit in New York. Wow. But when Bob 332 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,599 hit in New York, he was crashing at everybody's apartments, you know. 333 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,119 I mean he was struggling and very close to the streets. He was. 334 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,680 You know, he's playing in place as well. Maybe this club will feed 335 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,640 me and let me sleep in the back, you know, you know that 336 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,880 kind of thing. I mean, he didn't. He didn't make it with 337 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,480 a instantly either. No. No, And I'm hearing you talk about Dylan, 338 00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,839 but I'm thinking of yourself too. Did you you never you said you 339 00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:56,240 always knew you'd be successful with this. We thought we would be Yeah, 340 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,759 but did you think he'd be here? We didn't know how big it would 341 00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:02,960 go, but we had a lot of confidence. Yeah. You just can't 342 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,200 think otherwise. Yes, outside of here, because you seem to have a 343 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:12,000 lot of artistic talent. Thank you? Do you do? There's other things. 344 00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:17,079 There's painting, yes, correct, right, you do artwork and still 345 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:22,799 do art shows from time to time. Yeah. I did one in Brooklyn. 346 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:27,960 I think it was what three years ago, five years ago? I 347 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:34,599 have no concept that time at a good major gallery and we showed up for 348 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:41,160 the the opening, like for three days we were there, but we sold 349 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,640 enough house the guitar, shirts and everything to cover our trip, hotel and 350 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,480 everything and wow, but we got a lot of press on it. We 351 00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:53,839 played telephone in the morning the day before like leaving, and we used to 352 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,119 get people on the phone, but now we just leave messages. My name 353 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,920 is armand shadbrook I'm an ex guy. Blah blah blah. I got paintings 354 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,160 in prison, and I will also be there with a Rikers Island guard who 355 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,680 does photography, and we're having a show of it, you know. And 356 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:15,680 that got him out. Yeah, yeahs are coming and yeah, that's great 357 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:22,839 coverage. Someone told me, while I'll ask this first, Uh, certainly 358 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,519 when you get to the level that you get, there are going to be 359 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:30,119 rumors about different things, either store or yourself. Yes, what is the 360 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,240 weirdest rumor you ever heard about yourself? Oh? I don't know so many 361 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:37,079 of them really? Yeah? Yeah, I mean just things that you would 362 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:38,720 look at people and go, how, why where did that come from? 363 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,640 I know, yeah, I wouldn't think that has to be Did it bother 364 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,880 you? Because you seem to be a little bit more of a private person. 365 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:52,319 Yeah, I'm quiet naturally, but I'm I'm not shy though, but 366 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,519 I am quiet, But I don't know, I don't know. Sometimes they 367 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,240 come up with something and they say they were with me. Yeah, yeah, 368 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:07,519 yeah, when did we do this? You have more friends than he 369 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,559 knew, right, I mean yeah, the stories go, well, yeah, 370 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,119 that that's gotta be. But I did hear probably scared the town some 371 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:21,079 too, maybe that's what. Well, where we're sitting was a grangehall, 372 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,799 correct, Yeah, the farmers all built the grainshall together, right, and 373 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:30,680 then they used to sell their vegetables out front and trucks back when we had 374 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:37,319 subway tricks there and then that tight ask but they'd sell sell their vegetables out 375 00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:40,319 of the truck and insight here we were sitting. Now. They used to 376 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,680 have square dancing, yeah, and different performers performed. Well, I grew 377 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,680 up in a small town down state. We had a grainhall, right. 378 00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:49,920 They were usually small towns that had that, and a lot of farming and 379 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,880 agricultural right, more or less. And then there was and then trying to 380 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,119 think of what, Oh, the Mason used to have meetings on the second 381 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,319 floor. Yeah, and I'm not sure what all that it's about, and 382 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,880 it's kind of secret secret, but they got little they had little platforms and 383 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,400 we came in and we heard they sit on chairs with goat legs and all 384 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,599 these and the something to do with the winds, the four winds and whatever. 385 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,079 So did you ever find anything left over when you moved in here. 386 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,839 It's just like a lot of cabinets that had the g on it. And 387 00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:33,440 then uh uh those four platforms who were there still in place on the second 388 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,720 floor. But a lot of presidents were Masons. I mean it's not but 389 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:42,720 they just looked out for themselves kind of. But and then some someone from 390 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:48,759 the grades from years ago kept an insurance policy on House of Guitars at old 391 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:52,680 eighteen hunder rates you know what I mean really, And it wasn't a big 392 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,200 one. It wasn't enough to cover all our insurance. But they wanted to 393 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,839 be part of it though, and kept this policy and for quite a few 394 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,279 years. That's funny insane rates. Yeah, I mean twenty dollars a year. 395 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,680 You know, man, you're not gonna get that anywhere. Nou. 396 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,759 I was told that you were friends with Andy Warhol. Yes, he was 397 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:22,359 interested. I did a like, how does that come about? I could 398 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,880 see where the two of you probably can you know, yeah, I gotta 399 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:33,359 very well sure, But he's kind of like the underground Master or something. 400 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:40,000 Yeah, and he's used to dealing with unknowns rather than famous people. So 401 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:47,039 I recorded a play by the rock opera where we do a little acting and 402 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:52,519 it leads to a song and then we play it and then we go on 403 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:56,000 to our next scene. And I kept going for three records. And at 404 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,519 first, you know, he was gonna be an Andy Warhop Presents. And 405 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,319 so he heard he heard your rock opera? How did you well? I 406 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:11,319 sent it to him. This is kind of funny because I called the rund 407 00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:15,559 the library and who's who and had him look up his address and his phone 408 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,079 number and everything was in there. I was a modern day Google, all 409 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,920 right. And I called him on the phone, but it was at his 410 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200 house. He lived with his mother, he did, he lived with his 411 00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:30,079 mother, and uh, and you called right to his house, right to 412 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,240 his house, and his mother's going, Andy, Andy, you got one 413 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,680 of your friends are on the phone. And I got there and I said, 414 00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,720 well, my name is Arman Shabrook. I got in trouble as a 415 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,279 kid, as a youthful offender. I'm not a convicted felon. I got 416 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,160 a youthful of fender status. Uh. They offered us a why oh they 417 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,359 call it and you can plead guilty to leading. Uh, like a bad 418 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:57,039 life. You're not pleading guilty did the crime? Then you don't have a 419 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:00,559 record. Okay, I'm not a convict. It fell in good. Yeah, 420 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,799 let me get it. Sounds like the way out. It's just such 421 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,240 a technicalities, it's so silly. Yeah, it's it's a plea deal. 422 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,319 They didn't catch us at the scene and offered it's a plea deal. But 423 00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:15,039 then they gave us the worst they could give us kind of yeah, so 424 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,960 you tell him this, yeah, and I got this tape and then and 425 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,119 then I sent up to him and he started going wild and started calling our 426 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,720 little store down the street here the back in the earlier, the middle sixties, 427 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,519 and he said, please come to New York right away. And you 428 00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:34,359 know, then we went to New York and he's talking a play and everything, 429 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:40,519 and he wanted us to sign up on an off Broadway thing for where 430 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:44,359 we would work seven days a week for over a year. But the only 431 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,720 thing is every it was just Bruce and me pretty much and one employee, 432 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:57,839 Bob Hubert back then, and they were all in all in the play, 433 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:02,599 so we couldn't. We didn't want to close house at Guitarists because that's our 434 00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,039 bread best getting her baby, you know. So he wants you to come 435 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:07,759 to New York and do this, yeah, and she needs the guys here 436 00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:11,119 to keep running it. Right, there's no one left. That'd be Bruce 437 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:17,160 and just one other person. You know. Our business was hug so he 438 00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:21,480 uh. I kept trying to talk him into a movie. It's backwards because 439 00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:26,519 usually you you do a play, then you send you sell movie rights, 440 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,200 and he sells soundtrack rights, and you know, it goes like that, 441 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,079 that's the best way to get the most out of it. But I uh, 442 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,400 I was trying to switch him. After a while, he started humor, 443 00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:42,160 and finally he said, I got a prison we could shoot it and 444 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,000 you know, and it sounded good because I could go there for a period 445 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:52,079 of time and then come back, you know. But all of a sudden, 446 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,519 oh, he even said, I knew John Hammond from Colombia and he 447 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,440 had a lot of interest to in it. He's the guy that signed Bob 448 00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:10,160 Dylan and h Springsteen and uh Stevie Ray Vaughan and Son House. I had 449 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:17,319 something to do with signing Billy Holidays. He signed Robert Johnson's son Son House, 450 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,400 you know. And so this guy's interested now, and you're a rock 451 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,799 opera as well. Yeah, And I said, and he wants wants you 452 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,759 to pay for the whole play for soundtrack. Right that he started stuttering. 453 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,559 I said, should I tell Andy know then? And then he's a real 454 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,039 nice guy. I mean, I don't mean to disrespect him. He's a 455 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:42,920 real nice guy. And he said, well, tell mister Orhau when it's 456 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,240 ready, will come and see it. Okay, So it ended like that. 457 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:50,920 But then that girl came in and shot him, and he almost died. 458 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:55,519 He was in a hospital for over a year and it was fifty fifty 459 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,880 whether he'd live or die, you know. And yeah, the girl all 460 00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:04,359 so shot a Paris art dealer in the arm, you know. And I 461 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,920 knew Andy kind of helped her get a publishing deal, but she hated men 462 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:15,880 and her Men manifesto or whatever she you know, men manifesto. But she 463 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,799 wow, So there's sell him wrong with her a little bit because Andy has 464 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,640 helped her. Yeah, yeah, I don't think he was even taking a 465 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:27,119 cut. I think he just helped her. And she charged it and shot 466 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,319 him point blank in the chest three times and a Paris art dealer in the 467 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,480 arm. And yeah, and during that, So does that sort of the 468 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,079 end of your rock opera foray with him? Or does it come back? 469 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,720 It kind of comes back. But I did see how professional I am. 470 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,720 I realized I didn't plug in the cameras, so the audio wasn't going to 471 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:53,519 the cameras. I know. But while I got you here Cobblestone on Maine 472 00:33:53,559 --> 00:33:58,440 in the village of Webster one on nine West Main Street. Oh, I 473 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,880 love going in there. Upscale ball are fun to hang at, craft cocktails, 474 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:07,839 craft brewis and just a great atmosphere. The food is delicious. Let's 475 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,760 say you just want something like an appetizer. Their nachos are second to none. 476 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,519 They don't get soggy. It was like an amazing thing when we did 477 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,199 the pot out there and we were eating and everybody's like, hey, these 478 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,599 are the best nachos ever. They really are. But it's not just the 479 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,920 nachos. Let's see, you're looking to have a little more intimate dining, 480 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,559 nice table for two in the back, and the entrees are fantastic. Here's 481 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,920 one of the great things about Cobblestone on Maine. It's locally sourced menu items. 482 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,320 You know, I love when local is supporting local. That's what happens 483 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,079 over at Cobblestone on Maine. 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You can find them in the East Few Mall. 493 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,920 You got kicks, you want cleaned up, starting to look a little ragged, 494 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,320 They can do that. They can take care of it right there at 495 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,079 the plug. Easy to find in the East Few Mall. The plug. 496 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,519 We're back and Armon was telling us about Andy Warhol after he got shot. 497 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:36,119 When I got out of the house, when he got out of the hospital, 498 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,440 I went there started seeing them again, and he allowed us right in. 499 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,760 But a paranoid I had noticed the whole thing was so secure, like 500 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:52,039 you had an elevator door, and he hit it hit him a doorbell on 501 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,159 the elevator door, and then they had opened. Then you walk four feet. 502 00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:59,360 Then it was a total metal thing with bulletproof glass. He hit a 503 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,920 Yeah, well I don't he can't blame the guy. No, I don't 504 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,159 blame him at all. And he's kind of like, uh, didn't want 505 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,280 the street people neuro him anymore. But there was Time magazine and you know, 506 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,000 sitting there like at a two hundred dollars suit and all these people waiting 507 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,239 for him, and he opens in already. And I was with some strange 508 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,159 characters. I had Rick Redman, who's on the he's on the thing, 509 00:36:23,199 --> 00:36:27,079 but he weighs like three hundred pounds. He's about six four, you know, 510 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,719 and he goes ermand come on in. Oh, first he goes come 511 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:36,360 on in. Then Time went to cut in front of us. Then uh, 512 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,960 he said no, no, no, Erman and his friends Wow. 513 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,159 So he still helped me, even though you know, he was no longer 514 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,280 and he warholt per cents because they put it out already, But he still 515 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,880 helped me, and he had I went on the Joe Franklin Show on Channel 516 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,960 nine and new Yeah, p w P I X eleven news. I knew, 517 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,760 I knew Channel eleven. I grew up. Yeah. They charged into 518 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,719 my hotel room and it was a little embarrassing because we had a lot of 519 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,119 empty beer bottles all over the place. That's fine, And then they had 520 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:17,599 their public radio station played my whole triple album. After they interviewed me with 521 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,840 with nothing censored, and it was full of a lot of f words and 522 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,360 everything. To make it real, I can say old darn in prison, 523 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,440 you know, so I had to keep it real. And they just made 524 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,920 an announcement that if if bad language disturbs you in any way, or sexual 525 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,639 situations or anything, please turn your radio off for the next three hours. 526 00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:44,880 In funny minutes, they have a warning and then played it and they straight 527 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,000 on was it at night? Usually there was something called non daytime, daytime, 528 00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:53,239 daytime. Yeah. They interviewed me for a long time for it. 529 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:58,159 Yeah, so what where where does that all go? Where is that now 530 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,400 the rock? I had no idea you did that? Oh it's out as 531 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,400 a three album set. It is. Yeah, here at the house guitar 532 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:09,280 is gonna buy it? Yeah you can right wow. And then so through 533 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,480 all that and Andy Warhol, did you spend time with him after? Yeah, 534 00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,400 he got he kept helping me. Did he ever come up here? 535 00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:22,760 Uh? No, he almost did. He got jealous once I said a 536 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,559 second cousin of mine, Robert Kanji's gonna he might be able to shoot some 537 00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,639 scenes in that. And he called the Paul Paul Morrissey. He was kind 538 00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:36,800 of his partner that did the movies. He goes, Paul, we're going 539 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,360 to Rman. What is the name of the town, A Runnigua, We're 540 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,079 going to runiquait All. I'm thinking as well, I'm gonna bring the number 541 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,800 grills the Lochlan Yeah, yeah, give him the tour. We're gonna shoot 542 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:52,559 some footage. Yeah, but he got shot before that happened. Wow, 543 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,239 it's an amazing You ever look back on your life and go, boy, 544 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:02,480 this has been an unbelievable ride. Yeah, with interesting people and yeah, 545 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:07,159 like I was lucky in that in that way, you know. Yeah, 546 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:09,639 but I but I used to call people, you know, like called Norman 547 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:15,000 Mailer, tuc to Norman mail Jermy Breslin, talk to him. Just call 548 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,480 them up, call them up, tell them my story. Yeah. And 549 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:23,159 you so you were pretty much marketing your yourself. You were one else no 550 00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:28,320 one else would. But then you go along because then there was the record 551 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,719 label that I believe you still have, yeah, with the House of Guitars. 552 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,280 See, but you helped others try to get almost the way Andy was 553 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:42,360 helping you kind of. But there are a lot of them were very talented. 554 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,239 We did Don Potter over the Rainbow and our label, you know. 555 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:52,000 And Don just ended a Columbia contract. That kind of helped happen because I 556 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:58,320 was talking to Epic about bringing it, putting out introducing Baton Don because they 557 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,039 weren't printing it anymore. And then they told Don, and then Don called 558 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:07,000 me and he says his record contracts over in a few months. So then 559 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:12,280 I talked to him about doing a record at PCI, and he brought John 560 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,440 La Barbara, which is he's a real good writer of you can write the 561 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:22,039 score for every instrument, you know, so he was a treasure to have. 562 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:28,159 And uh, we did it a PCI and then we had a simo 563 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:34,320 cast. We videoed it too, and we had a simo cast later with 564 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:40,239 Channel thirteen with I'm JQ yep, so you could listen in stereo wow together 565 00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:45,280 three two one, and they TV and radio the same thing at the same 566 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:52,840 time. What year was this, probably round seventy three three? Yeah, 567 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,840 oh yeah, man seven, I'm sorry seventy eight okay still but yeah, 568 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,880 so's the technologies, but that had to be so that would have to be 569 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,559 pretty big for the time. I don't know about technology, but they're just 570 00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:06,559 sitting then well that's what I mean, I try to sync that up right, 571 00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,679 you know they'll sink. Yeah, both hitting play at the same right. 572 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:13,559 That's funny. Yeah, but it worked good. I mean you had 573 00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,559 big speakers next to your TV and you kept the TV off if you wanted. 574 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:21,039 How did you get them to agree to do that? I don't know. 575 00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,760 I talked to Nick Nixon and he's the one that helped me with them. 576 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,239 JQ and thirteen was interested because I sit down, uh huh. And 577 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,599 then twenty one called us after and I said, oh, you want to 578 00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:35,519 run it? And I said and they said, well, no, we 579 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:37,960 want to do a hohne no one. We're gonna pay the band real good. 580 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,559 And then I said, uh sure. You know. So did you 581 00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:45,960 end up almost managing some of these guys as well? I didn't know. 582 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,559 No, I wasn't into managing. I was. I left them free there. 583 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,039 Yeah. But see all of this. It's incredible because it's all this, 584 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,079 but we helped them. We helped them. We know the House of 585 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,760 guitars, we don't really I didn't know about the Rock Opera. I didn't 586 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,639 know about the artwork stuff. Yeah, there's all these other things. Where's 587 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,119 the time. Everybody's only got twenty four hours a day. I know your 588 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,119 son's work here now, and so you have a family, you've got all 589 00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,519 that. Where did the time? Then we were doing Chesterfield King Yeah, 590 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,360 Mary, Yes. Then Dirty Looks we grabbed. They were a Pennsylvania band, 591 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,079 and I sent a tape to zer Rock. I don't know if you 592 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:31,840 know what that is. It's like a syndicated thing because I almost Yeah, 593 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,199 it was by satellite. So there was a station in Poughkeepsie and they brought 594 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,960 in Sebastian Bach in person. So I'm at this station called w PDH and 595 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,480 Pokeepsie and I'm down in some club and Sebastian Box shows up and it's that 596 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:50,280 radio station's night. It was the first exposure to like a radio war because 597 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,840 I'm twenty or twenty one years old and here comes Sebastian Bach and he's grabbing 598 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,199 the microphone like out of my hand because I'm supposed to be making announcements for 599 00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,079 the radio station, and I wound up getting almost in a fish woke. 600 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,440 It was Sebastian Pocket. I always go back and wait, like how does 601 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,679 that happen? But it was I roq Z. Yeah, that syndicated. 602 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,280 It was everywhere. Well, anyways, they were pounding it micas they were 603 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,239 pounding it in drive time in Los Angeles, Chicago, in New York City, 604 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:23,239 the whole Country and Billboard called and interviewed me about it, and I 605 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,159 just said, uh, you know, push their grope there, you know, 606 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,960 very good grope. They're kind of they got a little bit of feel 607 00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:35,440 of ac DC, but I think they write better songs, you know, 608 00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:39,440 not so much anthems, but they got some tricks, you know where they 609 00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:44,880 take cut some oldies and you know, I can't take my eyes off you. 610 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,679 Suddenly he's in this metal song or something. Yeah, that is a 611 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,360 trick. But it's almost like ear candy. People would recognize and you would 612 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,800 almost be listening to the writer is smart enough to do that again stuff? 613 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,639 You know? Yeah, and they oh I heard that before? Right, 614 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,960 So what would you say is your key to success? Because in a way, 615 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,679 it almost feels like he just followed what just felt right and it just 616 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,559 all worked out. I'm sure somewhere along the line there was a stumble or 617 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,719 something, but you learn it seems like it's been a I'm I find you 618 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,159 fascinating, Oh thanks, fascinating writing this and doing that, and it just 619 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:28,599 always just kind of creating. I have to kind of see how I can 620 00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,519 help the band do it. I have to have a little plan in mind 621 00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:35,880 or or can I do it? And sometimes I can't, you know, 622 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,559 I don't have a right, you know, But other times i'll but I 623 00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:44,119 don't give up, and I don't put no heat in the bands, like 624 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,639 we're not making money yet, none of that stuff, and we just keep 625 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:51,760 going and going and pushing to it at breaks. If the band stays together 626 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:58,119 long enough, we're cool. We're gonna make it. Yeah, But but 627 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,480 I have to see the angle kind of I have a little plan I could 628 00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:05,400 do something with that kind of feel. Yeah, you know that's interesting. 629 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,719 Then Bat came to us because Bat wanted to turn from folk to country. 630 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:14,840 So he put on an album called Mister Wright, and then he had a 631 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:20,199 top ten hit with They took one of the way on the Judd took one 632 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,800 of the songs and had a top ten hit. Then Kenny Rogers took one 633 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,159 of the songs and put it on his album that Bat wrote not off of 634 00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:31,559 my album, but things he wrote particularly for them. But all of a 635 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:36,400 sudden, it was happening because it's real hard to change your image in front 636 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,519 of the public. If you're a folk singer and suddenly your country, the 637 00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:43,920 public don't go for it, No, they don't. People don't like change. 638 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,719 So we had do the best we could. But he had the right 639 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,679 people behind him besides me, he had, you know, people on his 640 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,000 side from Nashville album. And then on the other side of that, you've 641 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:59,079 got so the house of guitars originally just guitars, so you've got that whole 642 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:04,239 business. Do you expand into kind of the record side of things, not 643 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,800 not so much your record label, but where you're selling just right away, 644 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,679 right away, right away, And even in my basement, you did, 645 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,639 you had a section of records, Yeah, okay, and then that's just 646 00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:17,599 slowly so everything just kind of just went yeah right to where that that that's 647 00:46:19,159 --> 00:46:22,360 it's amazing. It always because you know a lot of times you hear different 648 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,719 people. I had a grind, I had to do this. I'm sure 649 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:28,440 there was, sure you've talked about it's starting your mom's basement, going along, 650 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,679 but it almost seems like the whole journey has been a pleasure for the 651 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,119 most part. Yeah, there's some strains in it, but you know, 652 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,679 like like deadlines that much for deadlines? Yeah, right, and uh, 653 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,719 you know just the things that affect everyone, like deadlines and things like that. 654 00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:49,440 Yeah, and problems come up and we just take care of them. 655 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,480 How's uh, how was it for COVID with how did whatever we were allowed 656 00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:59,880 to do were uh? We never well, I think we had a shutdown 657 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,360 for a couple of weeks. But the moment they said you could deliver to 658 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,280 a car, suddenly we were bringing guitars and every accessory selling them, and 659 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:13,239 I got to think a lot of people started playing guitar maybe or a lot. 660 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,920 Well. During COVID, all collectibles like records went way up in price, 661 00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:23,519 all the USA and all the baseball cards and all the other It wasn't 662 00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:28,599 crazy because people had nothing to do in their houses, so they were buying 663 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,519 all these collectibles and the prices were sawing. You know. Yeah, who 664 00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:37,039 would you say is kind of the biggest influence on your life when you when 665 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,440 you look at things. I don't know, was there anybody I think? 666 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,000 I honestly, I know a lot of people. Yeah, I don't know 667 00:47:45,079 --> 00:47:47,480 that I know anybody who really went to the beat of their own drum and 668 00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:52,559 just kind of did that. They did well. warAll was important. I 669 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,760 mean I saw the way he operated and it was so different, you know, 670 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,199 you know Warhol I kind of say yeah, we'll do it, and 671 00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:06,679 then put it on pal Morrisey to really do it. Was like his partner. 672 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,920 Yeah, you know what I mean. Paul will be in Europe shooting 673 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,159 movies because it was not unions in there, okay, And Andy's on the 674 00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:19,119 phone at night and talking about directly. Wouldn't it be nice if he was 675 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,480 he couldn't eat or he was he could only drink virgin's blood and if he 676 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,360 might die if he if they weren't a virgin. Because he's a count and 677 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,320 all these girls are after him. Yeah, because he's rich and all these 678 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,599 girls are lying. And then he's the Count's rolling around throwing up all over 679 00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:43,840 the room and so and he's the idea guy. Paul was the executioner of 680 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,639 it. Yeah. Everybody was great together. Yeah, it's a great tandem. 681 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,639 Not that Andy wouldn't. I mean, he did his own heart and 682 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,559 I sure, yeah, well I can't say they had too. He's walking 683 00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:57,039 around in the studio and he's going, oh, that's very nice. He's 684 00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,280 got all these runaway art students just had a little green or pink to hear, 685 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,079 and then they do it, and then he goes along insides about So 686 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:10,280 that's why he called it the factory. That that's very interesting. I didn't 687 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,599 know that at all. Oh he's funny, he keeps you know, he 688 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:21,119 he was painting with metallic paint one time. You know, paintings. This 689 00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:25,800 isn't a little bit of later years, and he's, uh, he's planning 690 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,119 the pea on all of them. They you know, he's calling him the 691 00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,880 p paintings. Okay, well and uh, he can't be that much, 692 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,960 he's telling me. So he got a bunch of people off the street, 693 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:45,320 the p and his paintings, and he's paying them and the ESCAD and the 694 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:51,440 PA would would corroll the metal metal, yeah paint and they get turn colors 695 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,960 kind of little green in it. And please tell me he sold this for 696 00:49:55,039 --> 00:50:01,000 millions of dollars. They were in a Ferris art gallery, all on display, 697 00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:04,880 and we just call them the Pee paintings. But did you know did 698 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,880 people know? Yeah? But did they know that it wasn't Andy who pete 699 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,159 on them? Yeah? Oh they did, he told reporters. I think 700 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,800 he couldn't pete that much. Yeah, I'm planning to pee on all of 701 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:24,239 them. It's giving him money in battles away. Yeah, they're going up 702 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:31,599 to the second Florida's a line. What a character? Oh yeah, and 703 00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:37,400 then the factories of our party all night. Yeah, and he leaves. 704 00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:42,960 And this I didn't understand about him. I had a lot of opportunities in 705 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,480 the early days, but I was trying to keep it business. But he 706 00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:50,239 wanted to me to go to his parties with them all night, and I 707 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,480 was trying to keep it business. Yeah, but I was wrong. That's 708 00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:58,440 how he helps you make it, yeah, because he connects you to people 709 00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,000 in a more casual setting. This is the president of the Warner Brothers Pictures 710 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,519 armand you should do a movie on our Mounts story, you know. You 711 00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:09,280 know that's how what he does. And he actually had schedule too, Yeah, 712 00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,800 but they listen. Is there any regrets just that just because he ever 713 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,960 retired. He asked me, let's I'm going a bunch of parties ironment, 714 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,239 would you come with me? And I go, oh no, no, 715 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,400 I'll see you tomorrow afternoon. Were these like studio fifty four days? Yeah? 716 00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,199 Yeah, But he was always doing them, you know, yeah, 717 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,599 did and you never went, never went with him? I yeah, but 718 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,239 I blew it on that one. Well, I mean, you're doing what 719 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,079 you think is right at the time and in terms of business, but try 720 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:40,599 to keep it all busy. I'm such a sucker for a party that I 721 00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:45,760 oh, yeah, I know what I mean. About to make a fool 722 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:52,360 of myself. Wow, that's the other thing. I'd be on duty. 723 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:57,400 I'd be a professional. I'm on duty. That's very that's very funny. 724 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,840 But okay, another room, two more things. I'll just touch on these 725 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,079 two things, and I'm sure you've got a million things to do today. 726 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,639 Did you run for Senate? Yes? I ran for sen fifty third district 727 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:15,360 from New York. Yes. When was this seventy two and seventy Senator Laverne 728 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,639 was the Senator at the time. Okay, but I ran against Gordon Dehan 729 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:28,599 and a priest, a Catholic priest, and uh we had debates and everything 730 00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,400 on television. But I ran into the trouble there too, because they wouldn't 731 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,679 talk about the things I wanted to talk about, and the reporters at the 732 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:45,920 television stations have a preview thing with the two major candidates and they decide what 733 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,639 to talk about. Oh and so you weren't one of the major candidates, 734 00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,280 so you know, did you have did you all debating in the same florid 735 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,119 though? Yeah? Would you? Did you know what they were talking Did 736 00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:58,639 they give you like, here's what we're gonna talk about ahead of time? 737 00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,199 Or were you were surprised? Yeah? No, like sabotage. Well, 738 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,480 they don't pay a whole lot of touch it. Yeah, you got equal 739 00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:10,679 time. But yeah, but uh, it's their questions and they and all 740 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,599 they had is already set up. But you know what I mean, what 741 00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,079 did you learn from that kind of experience? Was there anything you left? 742 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,159 I didn't like how it was set up like that. I felt funny about 743 00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:23,639 it, like they had ain't pure news, you know, it's not how 744 00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:28,599 about politics in general? For you? Yeah, it's all we're kind of 745 00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:30,519 spoil it for you a little bit. Yeah, well, not spoil it. 746 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,320 I pulled a non talk thing and they took the camera off me. 747 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,920 Then I turned my mic off and if you don't behave we won't turn your 748 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,840 mic thick, you know, right in the middle of those Sunday morning shows. 749 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,280 Wait a second, what did you do you turned your mic off? 750 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,639 I would talk about the subjects I wanted to anyway, Yeah, and they 751 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:52,280 would. They took the camera off me, but going on, and then 752 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:58,880 they turned my mic off. Then they did wow, and and and then 753 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,880 that stuff doesn't make you Some people would would acquiesce to that. You know 754 00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,199 what I mean, give in you're just holding your own is going Now, 755 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,239 that's not what I want to talk about. So you let him turn off 756 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:13,559 the mic. Yeahs if I behave, they'll turn it back in. I 757 00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:15,480 said, I will, yeah, you know, and then they turned my 758 00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:22,000 mic back What were the issues that you wanted to talk about? Prison reform? 759 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,719 There was a lot of things against gay people that were ancient, you 760 00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,920 know, seventeen hundreds. Stuff was more than three in a street corner. 761 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:36,199 They could all, I'll be arrested, thrown in jail. I didn't know 762 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,880 that ancient stuff, you know, that made no sense. So they had 763 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,960 three gay people on a corner. You could get arrested just from being okay, 764 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,960 right, So, and you were saying things like this is wrong, 765 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,960 this is wrong, this is uh, and the Gay Alliance was running it. 766 00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,280 I was making radio ads for him, and they're running them in different 767 00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:00,239 stations. You know, one out of three people have homosexual tendencies, be 768 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,679 your mother, your father, or your sister, your best friend. Okay, 769 00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:05,960 that had to freak people out at the time. Well, I just 770 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:08,719 did you know, I believed in what they what they said, and yeah, 771 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,519 you know, and uh, they were running at all, you know, 772 00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:17,559 on different stations in the city when I was running. And and then 773 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,639 and then we had we had crazy posters and in pins it said learned a 774 00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:25,239 new lick. I meant it. It's a guitar lick. Yeah, but 775 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,559 they took a second. Okay. So you so you've always kind of pushed 776 00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,039 against the grain a little bit, right, building the house guitars where you 777 00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:39,159 could actually touch and play the guitar and do that against the grain, and 778 00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:44,960 then you go here. That's a progressive mindset for nineteen seventy two, yea, 779 00:55:45,039 --> 00:55:46,440 in terms of you know what I mean right now. I was back 780 00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:50,599 in the sixties. Oh, back in the sixties, well, seventy two 781 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:52,599 when I ran for office. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, like 782 00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:57,599 when you ran for office too. But that's progressive for the time with being 783 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,760 forward about equal right, it's for gay people or even trying to change some 784 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,239 oldchaic laws, and the Liberal party trusted me. Yeah, and they said, 785 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,639 well, you can talk about anything you want and don't. And then 786 00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:15,159 I said I might not agree with the liberal stance all the time, and 787 00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:19,440 they said that's okay, yes, do it. You know, So how 788 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,719 old were you at that time, I'm not sure, probably still seventy two, 789 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,320 I don't know, I don't know, thirty something, okay, all 790 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,480 right, but a young man compared to probably stodgy old guys who have held 791 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:35,440 lawf us for a long time. They didn't want anything to do with you. 792 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,159 No, definitely not that had a kind of eber nice to me, 793 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:42,920 though. I mean, I'm sure, well there's something, there's something that 794 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,559 seems to have left our society, civility. I feel like in society there's 795 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,880 and so even if I somebody doesn't agree with you, they still would be 796 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,599 civil towards you. Now we I mean, it's awful the way people treat 797 00:56:53,639 --> 00:56:59,360 each other. But I think that that to me is uh interesting that you've 798 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,760 always sort of politely i'll say, pushed against the ground. Yeah, politely. 799 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,159 Yeah. I wouldn't try to wreck a pogram. No, no, 800 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,440 no, no, no, no, no, no, but that wow. 801 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,440 But this is the inner strength man, because you know, people at 802 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,679 that time didn't want that stuff. I know, I didn't want to recognize 803 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:20,280 it, didn't want to hear about it, didn't want to you know. 804 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,920 I mean, we're still just coming out of out of just all the stuff 805 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,679 with black people in America at the time. It's just that acceptance, right, 806 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,719 there's still and then I mean, boy, you talk about hatred for 807 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,440 people for no reason other than you exist. It's well, I want to 808 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:43,079 cross the country on all news stations from Chicago to New York City to California 809 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,719 and talked about my record and they pulled me into h I'll put out as 810 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,559 black and white get along in present, and I go, they hate each 811 00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,119 other. You know. Yeah, I don't know all black television station, 812 00:57:55,639 --> 00:58:00,920 but you know, I'm saying when there's tension going on, I might have 813 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,760 a best friend that might be a black guy that sell next to me, 814 00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:12,639 but I can't talk to him or he can't talk to me during the tension 815 00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:15,599 and the riots because if I talk to him, white people are going to 816 00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:19,880 attack me, and if he talks, black people are going to attack him 817 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,679 and take him out. So you know, there's always at tension going on, 818 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,639 and we both understand. So the next maybe for a week, we 819 00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:30,440 don't talk to each other, and then all of a sudden we're back like 820 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:35,559 it never happened. Yeah, you know, is that time in reform school 821 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:40,039 or reform Well, let's maximum security prison. They've sent you to maximum security 822 00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:44,480 prison. Yeah, machine gun, that's the walls, the dogs, and 823 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:49,440 the between the wall and the Wow. But that really seemed to have quite 824 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,159 an impact on your life in terms of oh yeah, even politically later on, 825 00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:58,679 I did what I wanted and suddenly I couldn't do anything right. Know 826 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,239 why, I understand that, But I'm just saying, like even afterwards, 827 00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:06,760 trying to get reform, trying to do good by the Yeah, yeah, 828 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,280 I was. I was trying to tell them, you know, for a 829 00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,679 prison reform, I was saying that work with the unions as much as you 830 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:20,599 can, but you know, allow the inmates to earn their own money. 831 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,679 Part of it could go to the victim of their time. That's a great 832 00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:28,719 idea, you know. Uh, And maybe they can start out silk screening 833 00:59:28,719 --> 00:59:32,679 T shirts and jobs like that from the public. But you know, don't 834 00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,719 kill the union, right, work with them and then then maybe somebody like 835 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:44,039 Cody I could bring in a shop there and pay them pretty decently and they 836 00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:47,239 could support their own family instead of government checks going there. You know. 837 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:52,559 Yeah, and you know they I said, they're all going to come out 838 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:57,199 someday. What kind of condition do you want them? And it's a great 839 00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,800 point them to very much. We're supposed to for so it steps in his 840 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:02,400 way. He's going to kill them. Well, it's supposed to be reformed, 841 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,559 right, we're supposed to. Well, they're trying to get No, 842 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,880 there's not. That's this bull Yeah it is. And it's supposed to try 843 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,320 to get you ready to come back into society. And the inmates are trying 844 01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,960 to break you, and the yards are trying to break you. It's that, 845 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:16,280 you know, it's a what I had it. So how old were 846 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:22,599 you when you went in? How old were seventeen? Seventeen? That'd be 847 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:27,039 one of the scariest things in the world for you. Oh yeah, it 848 01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,400 is scary. And you know, I could say murderers and everything, but 849 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,320 a lot of most of them are normal people. They just lost control for 850 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,079 a few minutes. But they they're not all They're not lucky. I think 851 01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:42,599 you know, no, right, but everybody's in there. Wow wow, 852 01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,960 So I see so. So it's it's that kind of thing where I almost 853 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:51,280 feel maybe I'm wrong. It's about maybe eighty five percent in New York City 854 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,480 in there, Okay, yeah, that makes sense. It's a bigger, 855 01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:58,119 bigger part of the state. We have bigger population. But for you, 856 01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:00,239 I always, I mean, you seem to have a lot of empathy for 857 01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:04,440 people where you will try to help them out, meet them half way, 858 01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:08,239 do that sort of thing. Another rumor I had heard was Metallica when they 859 01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:12,360 did they Kill Them All album and they recorded it here in Rochester. They 860 01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,639 came here, yeah, well, but but they didn't have money, no, 861 01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:22,679 they they came from California, that's where you're from. And uh, 862 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,400 there's a studio in the city. H was a dazeln at the time, 863 01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:32,480 No No, No No No Music America Oka Music America Studio with Paul Kursio. 864 01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,800 He ran it and he used to be in the Mojo Man in the 865 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:43,480 sixties. But he's passed away now. But they recorded there and they h 866 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,920 they gave him an old house for free to stay in. So that's why 867 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:51,199 they picked Rochester, I think. Okay, but they didn't have a laundry 868 01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,239 mat, so they did their laundry down the street each week, and they'd 869 01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:59,119 hang here whether laundry was washing, yeah, and maybe look at at guitires 870 01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:00,360 and I say, wait, can I plug it in for you? Man? 871 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,360 And they go, uh no, man, I ain't got no money. 872 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,639 I don't want to waste your time. We go, that's okay, 873 01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:09,079 you can plug in, you know. Yeah, And then they came back 874 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:15,159 at a later time when they were filling venues. But seventy grand and vintage 875 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:19,239 guitarists, you know, really they get now ones for free, but they 876 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,480 want all the vintage stuff. Yeah. Where do you get the vintage from 877 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,360 bands? And people sell on them and trading them in. Does anybody go 878 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,400 now on eBay or anything and trying to hunt these things down? The public 879 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,719 does? No. I don't know if anybody here at the hog does we 880 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,920 watch it from what? If? Something is reasonable, but we got to 881 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,840 get it at a price. There's some there's some cool artifacts around here, 882 01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:45,480 like Jimmy Hendricks pants, yes, right, yep, and then Elvis presidents 883 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:52,840 Presley's paint. But there were motorcycle there were motorcycle plans pants whenever he wrote 884 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:58,079 his motorcycle around grace Land. He wore those pans and they actually came from 885 01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:04,239 the Beatles because the when the Beatles visited Elvis, they gave him the McCarty 886 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:09,599 he gave him to McCartney, and then McCartney gave him to Denny Lane for 887 01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:16,639 his birthday. Okay, and then later Denny Lane needed equipment and he came 888 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:22,039 here and he traded in the pans and all kinds of stuff. Wait so 889 01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:28,400 you did a swap yeah, for keyboards and stuff. See Denny Lane's in 890 01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:36,280 what fans Moody and then Paul McCartney wings. Yeah, so that's how he 891 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,039 got the pants from Paul from Fall. Yeah, holy man, somebody needs 892 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:45,480 to do the six degrees of armon like all the people you're connected to throughout 893 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:51,760 history. Yeah, that's amazing. So you did a swap, Well, 894 01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,679 we gave him some money too. We bought more than that from them other 895 01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:59,320 things he did. Oh wait, so you bought the pants from him or 896 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,800 you were see money? But he got a keyboard in the Okay, Okay, 897 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,480 okay, he needed equipment really, but he got a little money and 898 01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:10,480 some a bunch of equipment. Okay, but what were you gonna do. 899 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,920 You never sold the pants, Oh we won't, you won't. We just 900 01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,239 put it up there for the public to see. Yeah, that's fascinating. 901 01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,039 Yeah. And then got Jimmy Hendrix's pants, Yeah, from a party, 902 01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,760 right that he left him somewhere, left him at a Moody Blues party. 903 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,679 Oh that was a Denny as well. Did that come in the same transaction. 904 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,599 Yes, this is so cool. That is so cool. So you 905 01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:35,800 would if somebody had something that was vintage, Yeah, you would be willing 906 01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:42,039 to they get up. They wanted to be kind approved. Ye, authenticity. 907 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,000 You got it the thing I always wanted. And this is terrible. 908 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,920 I shouldn't even admit this, but somebody somewhere has to have a lot of 909 01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:55,599 Beatle autographs were in a book that a writer wrote about the Beatles, Jeff 910 01:04:55,639 --> 01:05:00,639 guy I Gilani or something like that. I can't think of his name exactly. 911 01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:05,079 But he came in with Danny and he he wrote a lot of Beatle 912 01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:12,920 books. Okay, you know this is in the seventies. And we traded 913 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,639 him some stuff. I gave him some money for the books, for autographed 914 01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:21,519 photos and stuff. And that's just stuff you keep. Oh, so the 915 01:05:21,639 --> 01:05:27,679 John Lennon military jacket. Yes, was in his book a picture of it 916 01:05:27,719 --> 01:05:30,280 as his book. It's another one that it's not the one on the cover 917 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,800 Sarger Pepper. But John owned more than one, and that one he showed 918 01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:40,320 in his book. John sent it to him to do. He was also 919 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,599 I think that Ronald McDonald clown in Canada, who was this guy who wrote 920 01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:53,559 the book. But he do a lot of charity stuff, stuffing give him. 921 01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:56,480 Well, how do you put a value? Is there a value you 922 01:05:56,519 --> 01:06:00,159 can put on a Jimmie Hendricks pants or Elvis's pants? Crazy? Yeah, 923 01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:02,880 I mean that's what I'm thinking that I'm thinking, even when you bought it 924 01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:09,599 and exchange money and the guitar, you're values only what somebody's gonna pay for 925 01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:12,400 it, right, Yes, yeah, but you wanted that stuff, but 926 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:15,639 well yeah we gotta. I mean we're giving a pretty laugh for it for 927 01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,000 those days. Yes, I'm sure nothing. We couldn't We couldn't go near 928 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:24,599 it to yeah, uh, it wouldn't be practical. Let's say still sort 929 01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:28,039 of I would say, like Ironquoit, not exactly on the beaten path to 930 01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:30,519 places. Right, Well, yeah, you know what I mean. I 931 01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,159 mean, if I'm going to like it. No, I'm not saying it's 932 01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:35,519 a bad place. That's not my point. My point is that all the 933 01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:41,079 artists that come here come out of their way to see this place. Yes, 934 01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:44,800 and the reputations of them, Yeah, the reputation is you just had 935 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,360 zz top Lenyard Skinner didn't here speak of Copeland and stop By. It was 936 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,920 by the albums, right, you said over the weekend and you've got I 937 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,719 mean, it's just it's gotta does it? Ever? It's the store that 938 01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,000 ate my brain? Did it ever? Kind of fry your brain a little 939 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,840 bit? That all that's just this success or at least appreciation for what you 940 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:08,079 created. You know, we're always proud. But when they're here, who 941 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:11,719 we're like on duty? So we got to be professional. Can't scare them 942 01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:14,079 off. Is there a staff meeting at all? I'd love to be in 943 01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:16,599 a staff meeting. No, No staff meetings, no nothing. No, 944 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:21,039 that's the kind of business I like. I like no staff No. What 945 01:07:21,199 --> 01:07:25,119 is the legacy you want to have? What do you want people to think 946 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:28,480 when they do? I don't know that. You don't know. I don't 947 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,960 really worry about that. Yeah, I don't think you do? I I 948 01:07:30,159 --> 01:07:33,599 you do? You really are the guy that goes to his own thing and 949 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,880 have just built something. You know, when people say you won't work a 950 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,039 day in your life if you do what you love, do you feel like 951 01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:45,280 you've worked a day in your life? I know what you mean. But 952 01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,119 at times you were, you know, because you're sure you're on duty, 953 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:51,519 a little stress the day. Yeah, stress in the ownership and then yeah 954 01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:56,360 that kind of thing. Deadlines, I gotta get this ad in or copy 955 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,760 won't change next week. Yeah. Well, I remember when you used to 956 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,000 send the ads to the radio station. You would hand write them out. 957 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:06,239 It would be faxed over on the house the way, and we're trying to 958 01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:14,079 figure out what's in the ass written the fist and I'm talking you had to 959 01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:16,199 like and you had to sometimes they were like a sixty second ad, so 960 01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:19,560 you're cramming all the words in there. It was fantastic. Started to use 961 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:25,399 some three DJs, you did they did? Oh yeah, yeah they did 962 01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,000 because you couldn't. Yeah, and you have to speed it up and go 963 01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:31,880 really fast. But that was effective. It was with two and that was 964 01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:36,000 sharp. Well, it's it's amazing because it worked on radio and the TV 965 01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:40,479 ads were I mean, we used to love to see them. Yeah, 966 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,840 yeah, and it was all authentically you. And I would say if I 967 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,039 guess, the success is just being who you are and and my tags, 968 01:08:48,119 --> 01:08:51,680 like when the events are coming, I got little tags pushing this and yeah 969 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:58,319 but free like we got that one guy coming for from the firm and yes 970 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,399 Graham and that, So you know, I'll tag that and they'll have to 971 01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:05,399 do that like real fat Yeah they'll they'll do it anyway. They can do 972 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,800 it anyway they can get it in there. Yeah, I don't complain. 973 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,800 I realized the spot through it. Yeah, you know, but then they 974 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,840 might rewrite it and admit a lot of sentences that I you know, maybe 975 01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,199 we're repeating a little bit. We don't need that sentence gone. Whatever they 976 01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:26,920 can do, I appreciate it. Your mom when you moved out of the 977 01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,600 basement at the store, Yeah, did she see it get to sort of 978 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,319 the way it is today. Yeah, she saw the front building here. 979 01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:38,000 We had the front building at that time, so she knew you were around 980 01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:43,840 our way. If you know, at first, she wasn't crazy about it 981 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:49,079 in her house, you know, from work and you're exhausted. Banging away 982 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,279 neighbor is a calling police well, what is it like at your house, 983 01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:57,560 in your own personal home, do you have the same kind of thing? 984 01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:00,520 Pretty quiet? Yeah, when your kids would go it up, did they 985 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,720 have people in banging on it? Yeah? Yeah. You seem to just 986 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:09,279 be like that's all right. Yeah, I'm very honest with my kids, 987 01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:14,199 like I don't I didn't. I didn't want him stupid, so I didn't 988 01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:18,520 didn't deny anything anything, but I exposure is the greatest. I would explain 989 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,079 the goods and beds of it. Maybe, Oh, I see what you're 990 01:10:23,119 --> 01:10:26,840 saying with everything. Yeah, that's yeah. I think try to stay their 991 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:30,600 friend a little bit. Yep. Yes, not always easy to until you're 992 01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,079 too old and they won't want to be saying with you. Yeah, but 993 01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:36,840 they work here, so that's pretty cool. Yeah, that's good. Well, 994 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,520 this has been a pleasure for me. Thank you for taking the time. 995 01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,319 Thank you, my friend. It's been really really great at Harmon Shawbrock, 996 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,800 the Great House of Guitars. It is h internationally known right here in 997 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,000 Norondiquoi. Thank you very much. Thank you. You made me forgod I 998 01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:54,199 was on there. Yeah. Well it's just like having a conversation. That's 999 01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:59,239 what I like, one on one. Thanks Mac of All Trades. Mac 1000 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,840 has a gift, and that gift to you is your time. What do 1001 01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:09,079 I mean? You got a list? Come on, you've been adding to 1002 01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:12,640 the list, not knocking things off the list. Why not hand the list 1003 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,520 over to Mac of All Trades, whether it's painting a room, fixing drywall, 1004 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,279 electrical carpentry. Maybe you got a big job like you're like, Man, 1005 01:11:19,319 --> 01:11:24,000 I cannot stand this powdering room anymore. 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