WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:16.559 Get some facts and come back and see Get some facts and come back and 2 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:21.039 Seebee. Don't throw up salaries or other things. Get some facts and come 3 00:00:21.039 --> 00:00:25.280 back and Seebee. You can't handle the true now told our players you need 4 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:27.960 a bit more like a dog. We don't need a bunch of cats in 5 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:31.839 here looking in the mirror. But I look good. I got my extra 6 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:35.640 bands on, I got my other shoes. Be a doll. We don't 7 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:39.039 need no mouns. We don't need no cats. We need more dolls. 8 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:44.359 Were not at detain, Ah, You're not that detained. We weren't good. 9 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.840 There's no sense of asking me things about the game. I'm telling you. 10 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.200 We laid an egg. So I'm not gonna break it down for you. 11 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:54.079 He sucks, He sucks, but he laid an egg. That's all 12 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:56.159 I have to say. Guys, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna break it 13 00:00:56.200 --> 00:00:59.200 down for you. Nothing went well for us. It's on us. We 14 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.560 have to figure it out, and we went dad final out of the program. 15 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.319 Welcome back Exues and Bros. Monday through Friday from six until nine. 16 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.879 We're live in our affiliate in Pataski the NBN one oh four point seven FM 17 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:17.840 thirteen forty Am the Ticket Northern Michigan. This hour of Exus and Bros. 18 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:21.920 Probably brought to you by Boyn USA, Boyd Mountain, the Highlands at Harbor 19 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.400 Springs Golf, Ski, Eat and Enjoy, Northern Michigan. The website is 20 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.920 Highland Harbor Springs dot com. It is so beautiful up here. Had a 21 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:36.519 fantastic meal last night. It's so picturesque. We were in yesterday. We 22 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:42.719 were in a store called Craig Ryan. It's a beautiful dress store for men's 23 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:47.760 clothing, all right. It's fantastic custom fits, best men's where you can 24 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:49.439 find all right, And you can go to Craigryan dot com if you're interested. 25 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.400 And they've got the locations all over the state. Really, I mean 26 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.439 it's Birmingham. They've got a chop in Birmingham. They're in Harbor Springs. 27 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:01.760 They're in a Grand Blank as well, and they're heresy. And we were 28 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:07.599 talking with Craig, one of the guys who was there helping us look at 29 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.960 things that we ended up not buying. But we're going back, all right, 30 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:15.159 we're looking at it. But we were talking with them, and I 31 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:22.159 was talking with Stephen Mullen. Stephen runs the shop. He is the face 32 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:23.400 of Craig Ryan. You can call him Craig if you want. But his 33 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:28.520 name is Stephen Mullen. And he said to me, he said he's really 34 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:34.840 originally from Boston. And he said he had people from the Cape Cod area 35 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.319 come to this area, Patsky Harbor Springs, Charlavoie, Gaylord, all this 36 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:46.479 northern Michigan gorgeous area and say they think it's better than the Cape. Now, 37 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.439 I've taken my family to the Cape every year for thirty years because it's 38 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.919 my wife's happy place. That's quite a compliment, because people out there on 39 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.039 the East they're a little uppity. They really are, I mean, between 40 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.039 you and me, a little uppity. They think their place is better than 41 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:05.680 any place. You get that compliment here, that tells you something. It 42 00:03:05.719 --> 00:03:09.960 really does. So we're really lucky to be here at our affiliate here in 43 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:15.680 Potoski, WMB. And here's our poll question for the day. Our pole 44 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:21.719 question is Michigan State Football. Will they have six wins or less? Seven 45 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:25.360 wins or more? Vote as often as you want on our website or on 46 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:30.240 our Facebook. X'es and bros. And follow us on Twitter or x XP 47 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:36.599 Mornings we have one every day. Yesterday's was the most interesting storyline from Lions 48 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:38.960 camp. So Trent's going to give us the final results. Is it health 49 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:45.240 of the offensive line, the strongest position on this team. Is it progress 50 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:47.560 of the secondary the weakest part of this team? A year ago people would 51 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:52.240 say it was their past defense. Secondary gets blamed for that. Is it 52 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:57.479 the battle for the number three wide receiver position? Or is it the development 53 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:01.520 of backup quarterback Headed Hooker? Trent? What are the final results from our 54 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:08.120 poll question yesterday? Seventy four percent of voters say the new look secondary is 55 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:12.879 the most interesting storyline. Help me. Jam Line and Hooker's development got ten 56 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:16.000 percent each. In battle for wide receiver three only six percent, So most 57 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:20.439 of you as our CHP and I most intrigued to see what happens in the 58 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:25.839 secondary with Terry and Arnold, and it's Rakestraw, Carlton Davis, Ryan Branch's 59 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.399 development, all that stuff. That's what people are excited to see. Yeah, 60 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:32.000 that's really good stuff. And our poll question brought to you by Mammoth 61 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:38.839 Distillery in Bay Harbor, phenomenal place. Went there had the Mammoth gin yesterday 62 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.040 and it was really, really tasty bottom of the hour. By the way, 63 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.360 at eight thirty five, David Bierman, the chief content officer for Pro 64 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:50.319 Football Network, will join us. You can follow him on Twitter or x 65 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:57.040 David Bierman PFN. He's going to join us at eight thirty five. Trent, 66 00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:00.399 I know we got some more techs. Let's bang those out and get 67 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.240 involved in the program by texting Sports Radio to twenty one thousand or call us 68 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:08.399 on the Meyer hotline eight sixty six eight three, eight forty eight forty three. 69 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.360 Go ahead. Yeah, we got some people playing along with our little 70 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:16.360 topic about best athletes from certain schools here in Michigan. Someone here is claiming 71 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.439 Michael Phelps as a Michigan Wolverine now chef. He did. His trainer, 72 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:24.560 Bob Bowman, was the head coach at U of M from two thousand and 73 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:28.720 four until I don't know when. So Phelps did attend classes. He didn't 74 00:05:28.759 --> 00:05:30.920 pursue a degree. Does this count? I mean, if we're counting Dick 75 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:35.279 Enberg, can we count Michael Phelps? Yeah? You come, he trained 76 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:39.560 there. I didn't know he attended classes. I thought he only trained there. 77 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.600 I would he didn't graduate from there. No, he didn't get it. 78 00:05:44.600 --> 00:05:46.480 He didn't even pursue a degree. That's just now. Maybe now, 79 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.800 maybe in fairness, maybe the other guys didn't either. Sure, maybe a 80 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.120 guy like Chris Webber didn't graduate from there. I don't know. I didn't 81 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.759 I didn't dive into that. I didn't realize Michael Phelps took classes. I 82 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.800 would say no to that. How about you, I would also say no. 83 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:06.720 But that is interesting. Michael Phelps. By the way, we talked 84 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.560 about the list of the one hundred greatest athletes since two thousand. He was 85 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:14.079 number one on that list. Yeah, and rightfully so. Yeah, the 86 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.920 best Olympic athlete I've ever seen. All Right, another one, Kirk Cousins 87 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:21.560 Michigan State, gets to mention good one. He's had a career, He's 88 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:26.279 made a lot of money. Yeah, debatable between him and Lorenzo White. 89 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:31.120 He's had a better career in the NFL than Lorenzo White. Not as good 90 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:35.199 as college career. Yeah, I think that's a really good answer, really 91 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:40.720 good answer. Okay, I did not. In fairness, I did not 92 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.759 think of that. I was stuck in the past and thinking of some of 93 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.439 the great Michigan State and Joe Dilama Lear came to mind as well. But 94 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:55.040 that's a good one anymore. This one is kind of a This one's satirical, 95 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.720 but we appreciate the sense of humor. So is Conter Stallion's at Central 96 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.639 Michigan. And then last, all right, last, but not least, 97 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:05.720 chef we got for GVSU football linebacker and d lineman Matthew Judin set the D 98 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:10.639 two record for sacks and in the NFL is a four time Pro bowler for 99 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:13.839 the Ravens and Patriots. You know what, that's the right answer. You 100 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.120 know, I thought about that. I'm like Matthew Judin, Brandon Carr. 101 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.399 There's a couple of Jeff Chadwick. I went with Brandon Carr, who played 102 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:29.160 as a cornerback primarily with Dallas. But he's right. I mean who or 103 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:33.199 she's right? Whoever texted that in is absolutely correct. It's Matthew Judin. 104 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.439 That would be the correct answer in football from Grand Valley. Thanks for the 105 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:42.480 correction. Appreciate your listening there on our Grand Rapids affiliate w MAX ninety six 106 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.720 point one FN the game. Okay, before we get to the bottom of 107 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.079 the hour, and we're gonna I'm really excited to talk to David Berman, 108 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:56.079 the chief content officer at Pro Football Network. I wanted to give you some 109 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:03.199 pro pre training camp power football rankings. I know Big Ten football is going 110 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.800 on right now. In terms of media day, Michigan State is today, 111 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:13.240 so Jonathan Smith will take the podium at some point today Tomorrow. It'll be 112 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.959 the Michigan's turn with other schools obviously, but all you really care about is 113 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:26.839 you know the head coach. So you'll see the schools represented over the next 114 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.800 couple of days. We saw it yesterday and on Monday as well, but 115 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.360 we'll talk we'll probably talk about that a little bit more later in the week. 116 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:39.480 But the NFL Power rankings and these can be very subjective. But you've 117 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.039 got five teams that have already opened training camp, the Lions being one of 118 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:48.000 them. So what they've done is the athletic took each team and they listed 119 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:54.960 them on power rankings before the season begins. Number one would be obvious, 120 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:00.919 the Kansas City Chiefs. They're the reigning Super Bowl champs. To think that 121 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:05.000 they would be anything button number one, somebody has to dethrone them. I 122 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.960 don't care that they won eleven and six a year ago. They're the Super 123 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.679 Bowl champs, and they still have the best player in the NFL coming back, 124 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:18.639 Patrick Mahomes. All right, San Francisco's number two. You can argue, 125 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.000 you can feel slighted if you're a Lions fan all you want, but 126 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.120 they represented the NFC in the Super Bowl, so they deserve to be ranked 127 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:31.200 number two until somebody knocks them off. And this year it will be the 128 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:35.440 Detroit Lions. Where does Detroit rank? Will give you that and where other 129 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.600 members of their division rank as well. That's when we come back on Exes 130 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:45.440 and Bros. Don't forget eight thirty five, we visit and talk more Lions 131 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:50.480 and NFL with Dave Berman, the Chief content officer of Pro Football Network. 132 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.120 Here on Exs and Bros. Across the great State of Michigan, broadcasting live 133 00:09:54.759 --> 00:10:01.000 from our Pataski affiliate WMBN one oh four point seven FM. This hour of 134 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:18.080 Exies and Bros. Brought to you by boyn USA. Back with you on 135 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:24.120 Xies and Bros. We are live here from our affiliate in Potowski and Charlovoi 136 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.639 w NBN one oh four point seven FM. This hour of Exies and Bros 137 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:33.080 brought to you by boy USA, Boyne Mountain, the Highlands at Harbor Springs, 138 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:37.000 and it doesn't get any better than that. David Berman, the chief 139 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:41.279 content pro officer from Pro Football Network, joins us at the bottom of the 140 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:48.039 hour. We're talking right now about the pre football rankings in the NFL by 141 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:50.480 the athletic Kansas City Chiefs. Number one makes sense, San Francisco, number 142 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:56.639 two, Trent Valley. Where do you think the Lions rank five? Nope, 143 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.360 they hot in the top but in the top five. Number three, 144 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.759 Okay, I love it. Yeah, here's what they here's what they write. 145 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.480 So the expectations the bring My reason I bring this up is because you 146 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.000 and I have expectations for this team. We talked to Justin Rogers yesterday and 147 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:16.399 he has high expectations. But remember when I asked him super bowler bust he 148 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:22.039 didn't necessarily agree with that. I believe if they're healthy, and that can 149 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:26.720 be subjective because you're gonna have guys miss games, right, But I mean, 150 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.960 if that offensive line for the most part is intact, you know, 151 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:35.759 if Frank Ragnow's starting playing in fifteen to the seventeen games, I would argue 152 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:39.440 that that is for the most part health. I think by the time you 153 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:46.000 reach week five. Most guys are bumped, banged, and bruised. But 154 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:50.279 I think it is important that the expectation is set high. So I got 155 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.399 the Lions super bowler bust if healthy, the athletic has them at three. 156 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:01.159 In other words, what they're saying is, I the two teams that made 157 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.559 the Super Bowl a year ago, who are ranked ahead of them unjustifiably so 158 00:12:03.679 --> 00:12:07.919 because of what they accomplished a year ago. The biggest expectation for any team 159 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:13.480 in the NFL is the Detroit Lions, and that's refreshing. Here's what they 160 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.320 write. Lions have won more games since November sixth, twenty twenty two, 161 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.519 twenty two games than they did in the previous one thousand, six hundred and 162 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.440 ninety six days. So in other words, they really wanted to show you 163 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.840 just how well they were able to count on a calendar. These are giddy 164 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.039 times in Detroit, rightfully so, the Lions have responded by throwing cash around, 165 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:39.000 extending quarterback Jared Goff, offensive lineman pen A Seool, and wide receiver 166 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:43.360 i'man Rossain Brown a big money deals in the offseason. Maybe just as importantly, 167 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.720 Detroit retained offensive coordinator Ben Johnson. Remember we had that as a Mammoth 168 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.799 Distillery poll question earlier this year. What was most important in the offseason? 169 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:03.080 I said, retaining Ben Johnson. I believe most people thought locking up Pennay 170 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.159 Sool was more important. But I could be wrong there, but that was 171 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.799 one of the questions we had. We said, is it Jared Goff? 172 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:13.559 Is it is extending Jared Goff, extending Penny Sool, extending I'm on around 173 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.600 Saint Brown, or keeping Ben Johnson? Anyway they write, Ben Johnson led 174 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:22.639 the Lines to the fifth best offense in the league last year based on expected 175 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:28.039 points added per play according to True Media. So the Lions at number three. 176 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.240 Now, what did I tell you yesterday when we looked at the poll 177 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:37.759 for various teams? What do I always do? I always look at where 178 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.200 my team is first, and then where are the rest of the teams in 179 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:45.480 the division, And then I always look at the teams that are in the 180 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:54.480 bottom. And this is in reference to what we had yesterday of teams ranking 181 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.720 by quarterback, coaches, roster and so on and so forth. I forget 182 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:03.080 which website ended it out, but we gave you the worst coaching staffs. 183 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:07.480 We gave you the worst quarterbacks ranked for all thirty two teams. So I 184 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:13.440 immediately looked at where the Lions were then the division and who was dead last, 185 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.840 which were teams like New Orleans and Atlanta and Carolina and oddly enough the 186 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:24.279 Las Vegas Raiders. So with the Lions being at number three, where do 187 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:28.639 you think? Where do you think Trent Bally the rest of the division ranks? 188 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:35.440 Where is green Bay ten? You're close? They have green Bay ranked 189 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.639 eighth. Wow, I think that's a little high. What do you think? 190 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.279 Yeah? To put them ahead of Buffalo and Philadelphia is a little surprising 191 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.120 to me. Yes, I don't think saying the Packers are a top ten 192 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.399 teams a stretch, but they're towards the back end of that, which I 193 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.960 guess they are in this list, But I would have them right around ten, 194 00:14:54.000 --> 00:14:56.879 maybe even eleven or twelve. Eight seems high to me. Likewise, 195 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.720 obviously, the win in Dallas has left a big impression on people, and 196 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.039 you could argue they probably should have won the San Francisco game. At least 197 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:09.840 there was a point in time where I thought they were gonna win the San 198 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.120 Francisco game. I really thought the Lions were going to be hosting the NFC 199 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.600 championship game. It would have been unbelievable. You have a right. So 200 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.519 the Packers are an eight. I know this year, but trust me this 201 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:26.840 year? Right where where is Chicago and Minnesota? Go? Chicago twenty three, 202 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:35.759 Minnesota twenty five, Chicago fifteen? Oh wow, yeah, Chicago fifteen, 203 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:43.559 Minnesota twenty three. Okay, the Chicago thing that kind of makes sense. 204 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.279 I think that's a little high. But I always go back to the 205 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.639 Sheep. They're not your typical number one overall picking team, right they went 206 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:54.159 seven to nine the year before that, they had the number one overall pick 207 00:15:54.240 --> 00:16:00.799 two. I mean they so they've got a great defense, a good defense. 208 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.440 I should say. They added Keenan Allen. They've still got Dj Moore 209 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.120 rookie quarterback is what concerns me. But they were a seven win team a 210 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:12.720 year ago and they essentially got better in every facet. So I think fifteenth 211 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:18.080 a little high, but it makes sense to me. They also ended DeAndre 212 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.159 Swift, did they not? They did good ball? Yeah, they were 213 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:26.240 seven and ten a year ago with one of the better defenses in the league, 214 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.879 right Sea games. Yeah. Yeah. The problem is, and this 215 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:36.480 shouldn't you shouldn't penalize this year's team for what past teams have done because rosters 216 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.919 switch over so much. But you know, they haven't had a winning season 217 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:45.639 but once since twenty twelve, they've made only they've only got one playoff win 218 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:49.240 since two thousand and six. Now, who are we to criticize the Chicago 219 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:55.120 Bears as Detroit Lions people? But you get the point. Okay, so 220 00:16:55.519 --> 00:17:00.200 you've got the division. Who do you think is let me just give the 221 00:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.759 last two teams in all of baseball. To ask for the last five is 222 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.680 probably unfair. Give me the last two teams in the NFL where the athletic 223 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:12.359 feels they should be ranked. Carolina has to be in there, right. 224 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:18.480 Carolina is last two and fifteen. Missed the playoffs a year ago, Bryce 225 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.880 Young, so much was laid at his feet and the problems and stuff. 226 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:30.000 Well, guess what the problem with him is the number of sacks that were 227 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.559 allowed. I mean that. Yeah, no quarterback is going to be successful 228 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:36.799 when you're getting sacked as often as Bryce Young did a year ago. So 229 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:41.680 Carolina is number thirty two? What's number thirty one? Do you think this 230 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.519 one surprised me just a little bit? Arizona. That's who I would have 231 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.559 guessed. So when I look at these things, I write down where I 232 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.079 think the Lions would be, where the rest of the division would be, 233 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.519 and who the last two three teams would be. I had Arizona second to 234 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:03.000 last. They've got Denver and Denver went eight and nine. Now, considering 235 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.599 the love affair people have with Sean Payton, right, I mean so many. 236 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:11.960 When he was in New Orleans, people thought he was the second coming 237 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:18.640 of George Allis slash Vince Lombardi, Yeah, slash Bill Walsh. They thought 238 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.720 he was the greatest thing going. He goes to Denver and I'm not saying 239 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.640 he's not a great coach, but go to Denver. He wants to make 240 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:30.160 sure he gets Russell Wilson out of there. There are certain players he wanted 241 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:34.079 out immediately, and who can blame him considering Denver struggled as much as they 242 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:40.119 did. But this is a year where it starts to you know, if 243 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:42.759 you're the smartest guy in the room, at some point you got to prove 244 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:48.400 your brilliance. Hi, Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz thought he was the most 245 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:52.119 brilliant guy in every room. He stepped in when it comes to football. 246 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.400 If that's the case, let's see it. If I give you a little 247 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.480 bit of leeway in year one, then at least in year two, start 248 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.759 to turn the tables a little bit. Start to show me why you're the 249 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:08.200 smartest guy in the room. That never happened. That might be the case 250 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.240 for Sean Payton. Remember his winning in New Orleans came with one of the 251 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.119 better quarterbacks of his era and a Hall of Famer and Drew Brees. Now 252 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:22.880 he needs to prove that he can win without him. Fair or unfair. 253 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:26.480 That's the label. Bill Belichick had to wear it. Bill Walsh had to 254 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.079 wear. George Seaffort had to wear it. Remember they went from Montana to 255 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:36.359 Young There are different coaches throughout all of football that have had to make that 256 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:40.839 transition and prove it. Sean Payton is the latest. When we come back, 257 00:19:40.920 --> 00:19:45.400 David Berman, the chief content officer for Pro Football Network, will join 258 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.119 us. 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We strongly suggest you check that out. 266 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:37.359 David Berman is the chief content officer for Pro Football Network and it is a 267 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.160 busy time, but it's always busy for David because when you're the chief content 268 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:44.000 officer, you got to come up with great content and he does that. 269 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:48.559 You can follow him on Twitter on x at David Berman PFN and he joins 270 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.480 us here on x'es and bros. Dave, thanks very much, great work. 271 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.200 As always, we appreciate it, and we appreciate the time. We 272 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:57.920 know you're only with us for a short period of time. Before we jump 273 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:04.079 into Lions talk, tell us where Jordan Love and Hassan Reddicks stand with their 274 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:10.519 holdouts and where in the world Jordan Love gets the goal to hold out after 275 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:15.079 starting just eighteen games and winning nine in his career. Hey, thanks for 276 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:18.119 having me. Welcome to the National Football League. That's it's all about the 277 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:23.480 market nowadays. And you've seen some offseason craziness with the quarterback numbers going higher 278 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:27.759 and higher and higher. And you're one hundred percent right about Jupperdan Love thinking 279 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.920 he can get any will get this money. The same could have been said 280 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:36.160 from Trevor Lawrence a few weeks ago and some players before that, because you're 281 00:21:36.200 --> 00:21:38.079 not going to sit here and tell me in any metric or in any world 282 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.400 or any eye test, that Trevor Lawrence is the highest paid quarterback in the 283 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:45.480 National highest paped player in the National Football League, and it's going to be 284 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.319 Jordan Love. And if you blink, it might be too a good attack 285 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:49.920 of my low up. Oh, it could be Dak Prescott. And then 286 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:53.000 it's just going to keep doing on and on. The salary cap keeps going 287 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:56.359 up. Where they going to pay it, They're going to pay it at 288 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.000 the quarterback premium price. So Jordan Love's going to get somewhere in the neighborhood 289 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.599 of fifty five million dollars a year, which is just laughable. And I 290 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.240 said the same thing on a couple of shows about Trevor Lawrence, not that 291 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.839 Trevor Lawrence can't be the best player in the NFL. But even beyond the 292 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.920 eighteen games and Jordan Love has played, what is Trevor Lawrence shown us? 293 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:15.440 Then he's worth the top of the market. But that is where the market 294 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.519 is right now. And as Arizon Reddick, that guy doesn't seem to be 295 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:26.039 happy unless he's unhappy, so he wants more money wide receivers holding in and 296 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.640 holding out across the board, and the NFL has the money to do it, 297 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:33.160 and now the owners are basically being strong armed into paying these prices. 298 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.200 And it's a really good point. I mean, even though Trevor Lawrence has 299 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:41.000 played three full seasons and started three full seasons compared to Jordan Love, it's 300 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.039 a really good point because he hasn't proven that he's worth the money, but 301 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.359 he gets the money anyway, and those are the way things work. It's 302 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:52.839 all about timing in sports, not just the NFL. Do you think the 303 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:57.160 league worries at all about the perception of guys who are holding out when most 304 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:03.480 people in life don't believe they've earned that right just yet. I mean, 305 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.000 this is the capital market that they have put together, and the NFL saw 306 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.119 it coming, which is why they sort of tried to take away holdouts as 307 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:15.920 much as possible, even though it doesn't seem like they've been successful. Jordan 308 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:18.319 loves doing a quote unquote pulled in, which seems to be the newest thing, 309 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.400 and the NFL's got to be concerned because these numbers aren't going to go 310 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.920 down, but they're a victim of their own success. As the TV dollar 311 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.200 goes up, the salary cap goes up. As the salary cap goes up, 312 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.839 so do the player salaries. Unfortunately, he seems to just be focused 313 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.000 on the quarterback market and the wide receiver market behind it, because the running 314 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.960 back market has disappeared. It's gone. He saw that last year with all 315 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.759 the blue aja the running backs holding out. Now it's the quarterbacks and wide 316 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.559 receivers that want to get paid, and again the cap is telling them that 317 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.799 they can get it. So here it comes. What was your impression of 318 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:56.279 the Lions extending Jared Goff, Penney sel Am on ros Saint Brown for the 319 00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.920 money that they spent. There's a lot of money, but at the end 320 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:02.559 of the day, you have a team that you know was within a player 321 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.839 two of going to the Super Bowl. You have the weapons, see might 322 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:10.000 as well lock them up. I don't necessarily mind them doing it for an 323 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.240 offensive lineman or a key wide receiver. I was surprised that Goff was able 324 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:17.799 to get the money that he got at the state of his career. And 325 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:19.559 now, granted he earned it and he had a career a couple of years, 326 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.200 but that is a lot of money to give a guy that had not 327 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.960 proven it before he got to Detroit. But if you're a Lions fan and 328 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.480 you don't want to do the math, you got to be happy because your 329 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:33.640 guys are locked up for the for suitable future and you have, you know, 330 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:34.839 one of the top seams the NFL, and this is only going to 331 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.480 keep it that way for a while. And Jill, you know, the 332 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:42.319 bill comes to David Bierman is the chief content officer for Pro Football Network. 333 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:47.519 You can follo him on Twitter on X at David Bierman PFN. He's joining 334 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:52.839 us here on x's m Bros. Have the Lions in your mind done enough 335 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:56.440 to leap frog San Francisco. You could make the case of Philadelphia from a 336 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:03.200 couple of years ago as an nfcchampions to be the prohibitive favorite in the conference. 337 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.240 I would say that the favorite. In my estimation, I'm going to 338 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.599 rank them higher in the power rankings when we do that, when we redo 339 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:15.720 them before the season starts on Pro Football Network. I think they're the better 340 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.960 team. I think they're the best team in the NFC, and to me, 341 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:22.119 it's their conference to lose. Yes, the Niners beat them last year. 342 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:25.640 Yes, the Niners have been to two of the last four Super Bowls. 343 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.799 I personally know whom he said this many times over the season. Am 344 00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:33.200 not a big fan of Kyle Shanahan. Has shown in the Super Bowl with 345 00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.079 how they messed that one up at the end, and quite frankly, the 346 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:40.640 Lions outplay them for three quarters in the NFC Title Game. So I think 347 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:42.440 the Lions are the better team to begin with, and I think the Lions 348 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:45.200 will represent the NFC in the Super Bowl this year if they play it right 349 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.680 at the end of the year and you know, not to remind the listeners 350 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.000 of what happened there, but not blowing seventeen to nothing leads I think you 351 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:55.240 wand up in the Super Bowl. What do you like best about the way 352 00:25:55.279 --> 00:26:00.799 this Lions team is made up? Personally? It's their offense, you know, 353 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.000 it's the same thing with Miami obviously, you know, knowing that we 354 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.200 cover the Dolphins on a daily basis at PFN, it hits the offense. 355 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.440 They have the weapons across the board, but more importantly that they have it 356 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.240 in the lines. You know, you look at teams like the Lions and 357 00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:18.400 the Dolphins who have all these weapons, but can they use the weapons by 358 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.960 having a strong offensive line. And the Lions have that, they have soul 359 00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:26.160 and company and to give Jared Kopp protection to get it out there to the 360 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.559 playmakers what it's all about. And you see on the opposite deside, the 361 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:34.200 Dolphins struggled with the offensive line for years, which is factored into them not 362 00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:37.039 being able to protect to or with injuries. YadA, YadA, YadA. 363 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.240 But I think it's the long as the Lions are good in the trenches with 364 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.319 both offense and defensive line, where you really need to build your team. 365 00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.960 You got Sewell one year, Hutchinson another, surrounded with weapons and there's really 366 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.960 not many holes. You could argue that maybe the secondary wasn't the best in 367 00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:53.440 the league last year, but you know, they did the right things in 368 00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:57.359 the offseason to make sure they have a stronger secondary this year. So I 369 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:00.359 like the Lions. In the top five offense and a good enough defense, 370 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.920 the schedule's not overwhelmingly difficult, even though they have a couple of rough stretches, 371 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.720 like every NFL team does. I do think the Lions win the division 372 00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.559 and get the top seed, and it's just whether they can win those playoff 373 00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:18.680 games or not. When you talk must win seasons or breakout years, oftentimes 374 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.759 to the immediate thought is Mike McCarthy with Dallas, this is it, man, 375 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.160 You've got to win or you're out of a job. Who are the 376 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.559 players on your list? Maybe just a few who you think have to have 377 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:37.000 good seasons, breakout seasons before they're looking for work. Who know the coaches 378 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:45.319 or players players on the Lions, any team players that need to I mean 379 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.319 you got to start in at the wide receiver position. For all the guys 380 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.400 who are are are looking for more money, I think they're going to get 381 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:56.000 their money. But someone like Ceedee Lamb hasn't gotten to camp yet, and 382 00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:59.319 he's a guy that if he doesn't get that deal, is going to need 383 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.000 to play for it. If they don't, if they don't extend too well, 384 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:07.039 I think he's someone who needs to have another MVP year, so you 385 00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.200 get contract next year, and really, anybody in a contract year is someone 386 00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:12.839 you're gonna want to do it. At the running back position, there's a 387 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.480 lot of guys that were in a position where they may not be resigned the 388 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.880 year. So I look at running back as a position where our players were 389 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.759 looking, like, say Kwan last year had to have a good year. 390 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.680 So we'll see what happens with players that know their contracts up this year. 391 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.759 Yeah, it's amazing a guy like for example, when you look at Lamar 392 00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.359 Jackson, I mean, he's got two MVPs, but people want more from 393 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:40.440 him, and rightfully so for postseason play, Kirk Cousins is probably on a 394 00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:42.680 little bit of a hot seat there in Atlanta. He's got to be better 395 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:48.599 than he was a year ago. Sean Payton in Denver needs to elevate his 396 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:53.200 game, Deshaun Watson in Cleveland. All those are those players we should be 397 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.920 watching out for. Not that they're going to necessarily lose their jobs, but 398 00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.839 there's going to be a lot more asked of them this year maybe than in 399 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:03.039 the past. Yeah, I would say Deshaun Watson for sure. Not so, 400 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.279 I mean the Lamar situation, as anything. Lamar is who he is. 401 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.440 He's an MVP candidate every single year who hasn't had the great playoff game. 402 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:15.079 So like again, he has to have that playoff game to be able 403 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.640 to cement his legacy. But I don't you know so and somebody I would 404 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:22.640 look at it. Aaron Rodgers like the guy seems to be year to year 405 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.400 to year. He seems to get what he wants whenever he wants it. 406 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.839 But if he doesn't have a good year this year, and keep in mind, 407 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.680 the last time he saw in Rodgers actually playing, he didn't have a 408 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:36.160 career year to ended up in the leaving Green Bay. But he needs to 409 00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:38.519 have a good year for Robert Sala. If Robert Salad the Jets don't do 410 00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:41.400 well, I think they get rid of Salah and they might have to start 411 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:45.160 all over again. You don't start all over again by paying a quarterback fifty 412 00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.519 million dollars. It's a great point, all right, last thing, because 413 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.200 I know you got to get going. What's Dan Campbell done better than you 414 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:55.599 thought he would have when he was first named head coach of the Lions. 415 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:03.359 Probably get a universal buy in by every single person in that team player organization. 416 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.400 And city. He always knew he was a fiery guy. He knew 417 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.880 he was a guy, but he started he was sort of a joke. 418 00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:14.599 He was a punchline. He's the guy that wants to bite kneecaps, He's 419 00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.839 the guy that just seems like the big jock. But he turned out to 420 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.680 be a pretty darn good head coach, leader of men, and a guy 421 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.039 that the teams want to rally around and listen. He made mistakes last year, 422 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.720 call it what it is. He even the great game management skills, 423 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.640 and there's a couple of games that went the wrong way because of things that 424 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:32.839 he did, going for two, not going for two, going for on 425 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.599 fourth aun end of the day, he had a seventeen point lead in the 426 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.680 NFC title game, And you know that's more than just a guy who wants 427 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.759 to bite kneecaps. So I think him turning into an actual respected coach that's 428 00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.440 going to get ten to twelve wins out of his team every single year is 429 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.400 not something I expect that as Dan Campbell, even as a Dolphins guy who 430 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.160 wanted to keep him after he was the introim coach there. Dave enjoyed the 431 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:56.160 conversation. Have a great season. I hope we get a chance to talk 432 00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:00.440 again. Thanks for the time today, absolutely, Thanks for me on and 433 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.680 have a good one all right. Thanks. David Berman the chief content officer 434 00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:07.559 for Pro Football Network. Follow him on Twitter or on ex David Berman B 435 00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:14.400 E A, R M A N PFN, David Berman PF and good stuff. 436 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:18.400 I think I think Dan Campbell has had a bit of a challenge of 437 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:22.079 getting away from the breaking knee caps thin because you know, he said it 438 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.720 was a punchline. That's because we chose to make it a punchline. Well, 439 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.319 and that was his first impression too. I mean he's something that was 440 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.839 literally his opening press conference. This is introduction to the city, to the 441 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:37.440 world as head coach, Dan Campbell. Yeah, how many do you remember 442 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.400 Matt Patricia's opening press conference? No, but I know he put a pencil 443 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.160 behind his ear and made it a big deal. And yeah, I mean 444 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.400 that's that's just true. He was Do you remember Jim Caldwell's first press conference? 445 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:53.240 I do not. Jim Schwartz, No, Sir, Steve Mariucci, 446 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:59.319 No, sir, so Steve Mariucci's opening press cons We're building something good here. 447 00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.200 You know, there are certain I'm not blaming David or anybody else. 448 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:10.200 There are certain lines from certain situations that people just remember about athletes or about 449 00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:15.000 coaches, And for Dan Campbell, he's having a hard time living that, 450 00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:22.039 you know, kneecaps type reference down because people probably had never heard it before 451 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.519 and they thought it was outrageous. This is the bottom line. They thought 452 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:29.720 it was outrageous that a coach would come in to Detroit, where it has 453 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:36.119 been a perennial loser and start talking like that when all along and then he 454 00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.160 brings up the fourth down and going forward or on a two point conversion. 455 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:46.720 Listen, that's who he is. People have to recognize that. It's what 456 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:51.440 made you fall in love with him slash the team in the first place, 457 00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:54.119 and now you want him to change to your liking, You're not going to 458 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.720 get that. That's who he is. He's gonna stick to his guns. 459 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.119 It is a foxhole guy. He wears his heart on his sleeve. I 460 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:05.839 know those cliches kind of get overused and stuff at times, but here's what 461 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.319 I want to know. It's living proof. Here's what I want to know 462 00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.039 from members of the national media. And next time we had David on he 463 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.440 was really good. Next time we have mommybe we can talk to him about 464 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:17.559 this if I can remember it. But if he doesn't go for it on 465 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.759 fourth down or first of all, why is it always the coach's fault to 466 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.039 go forward on fourth and one or fourth and two and not get it. 467 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.680 If I go forward on fourth and one and I'm on my opponent's forty five 468 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.119 yard mind, I don't want to kick that long field goal. I go 469 00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.000 for it. I can't get a flipping yard. Are you kidding me? 470 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.519 You're gonna blame the coach? Well, it's probably the play call. How 471 00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:45.440 about the execution of the lack thereof right? It's number one? Push up 472 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.799 front, right, get a push for crying out loud? So that's number 473 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:54.160 one. Number two. At what point do you or any leader of anything, 474 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.880 I don't care who you are, You can run a radio network for 475 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.559 crying out loud? When do you start to change? The reason you became 476 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:07.320 successful as a leader is because of what you've done so far, the people 477 00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:12.119 you've hired, what you've allowed them to do, all those things, the 478 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.719 way you interact with people, all those things are what made you successful in 479 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:22.960 the first place. And now you want to change because why what got Detroit 480 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:28.599 to the NFC Championship game? Aggression? Aggression? Okay, sure, it 481 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.280 was the best offensive line in football arguably I guess you could say the Eagles, 482 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:36.840 but arguably the best offensive line in football. But the aggressive nature in 483 00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:42.920 which Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson worked proved to be part of the difference on 484 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:46.599 why they got to the NFC Championship game, on why they won the NFC 485 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:52.519 North, and on why so many people are picking them today as Super Bowl 486 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:54.480 favorites. How about now you're going to say saying it's Theirs to lose the 487 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:58.719 conference? Is the Lions to lose? How about that? Yeah? And 488 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.599 now you're going to say I don't like the way he did the In other 489 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.599 words, you're gonna nitpick the hell out of him. That's what you're doing. 490 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.519 I want you to put on a damn headset and tell me what you 491 00:35:09.719 --> 00:35:14.199 do. Not I'm fourth down, because look, you can talk about all 492 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:17.559 you want. Time out. Okay, Now I'm gonna during the Dorito's commercial, 493 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.480 during the Tostitos commercial and a Pepsi Cola commercial and Charles Barkley promoting the 494 00:35:23.559 --> 00:35:27.840 NBA, you're gonna tell me you're gonna decide what you're gonna do at that 495 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:30.239 point. Wrong answer. That's not what you do. You do it when 496 00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:36.000 it's first down or second down, even before that, on the drive previous. 497 00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:38.519 If we get to this point, this is what I'm going to do, 498 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:44.280 and this is the plays I'm considering. You're looking five, six, 499 00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:47.599 seven plays ahead, you're looking two drives ahead. You're not living in the 500 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:52.440 moment. So it drives me crazy when people say, well, Dan Campbell 501 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.800 really cost him this because he was too aggressive? How many games did he 502 00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.840 win because he was aggressive? How much did he win over the clubhouse slash 503 00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:05.519 locker room because he's aggressive? How much did he win over the organization? 504 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.920 And as David brought up, how many fans did he win over because he 505 00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.760 was aggressive. You can talk about the kneecaps all you want. You can 506 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.119 blow snot on the field, you can bleed on the field, you can 507 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.559 do push ups with the team, you can bench pass with the team all 508 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:23.400 you want. But it's about who you are more than anything else. And 509 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:29.199 that team knows exactly who their head coach is. That's the beauty of it. 510 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:32.760 What Dan Campbell brings to this team. I'm not saying he's the best 511 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.400 coach in the NFL, all right. I don't even know if he's a 512 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:42.400 better game day coach than Kyle Shanahan, who lost in the Super Bowl and 513 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.639 who has been a little bit of a disappointment in San Francisco. For the 514 00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:49.559 most part, I don't know that, and I don't think many of us 515 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.559 in the media truly do. But here's what I do know. It's really 516 00:36:52.679 --> 00:37:00.679 hard to I know it's a cliche, but rebuild a culture or create a 517 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.559 culture. It's really hard. And as David brought up, you get all 518 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.639 those guys to buy in. And it's not just the guys who are in 519 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.000 the locker room. I've seen fractured locker rooms. I've seen coaches walk through 520 00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.159 a locker room and players just shake their head and say, that guy's a 521 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:22.119 jackass and it's hard to play for him. That's not the case with Dan 522 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.639 Campbell. It's not just the clubhouse slash locker room. I say clubhouse because 523 00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:30.599 sometimes it's baseball, and I'm using it in generalities. It's the front office 524 00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.119 too. This is the way we're going to do things now. Brad Holmes 525 00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:36.440 is a big part of that too, But this is the way we're going 526 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:39.679 to do things. I want players who do this, who give me that. 527 00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.840 Remember I always talk about the gas level, to give a blank level. 528 00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.719 That's what you have to have. If you want to be successful, 529 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:51.440 that's what you have to have. But in order to get players who are 530 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:57.119 type A personalities to follow you, you have to be real. Dan Campbell 531 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.119 is as real as it gets and it's a big reason, the primary reason 532 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:06.400 why Detroit is probably the favorite in the NFC. Our thanks to David Berman, 533 00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:09.280 the chief content officer for Pro Football Network, for joining us. Thanks 534 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.199 to Trent Ballely for producing our program today, Thanks for all your techs and 535 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.280 our thanks to the great folks here at WNBN one oh four point seven FM 536 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.639 here in Potoski for allowing us to broadcast live from here, and those who 537 00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:29.480 sponsored our show here today. Craig Ryan and our friend Stephen Mullen out there 538 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:35.400 putting on some great duds American Spoon, Kilwin's Fudge, and Mammoth Distillery. 539 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.079 We'll be back with you tomorrow morning, six o'clock here throughout the great state 540 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.400 of Michigan on X's and bros. Have a great Wednesday, Everybody,