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good evening everyone, once again, welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Sewn Fork
Or James Baker, Henry May, and Vanced Nesbitt. Matt Arner out tonight
under the weather, and we wish Matt just all the best and feeling better.
He's got a rough one out there the next few days, so we
just want him to get better and we're thinking of you, buddy, get
better soon. Somewhere along the line we have Vance Nesbitt there is co host
the announcer. Guys, we had a great show last week and we're going
to continue the discussions this week. This week's episode Stalked by Sasquatch, we're
going to talk about some interesting stories and accounts that we've pulled from either cases
I've investigated or some stories we found online to talk about. And there's also
a video that Matt wanted to play that I think we're going to go ahead
and play. And I don't know if it'll get us in any hot water
with copyrights, but I'll be damned we're gonna do it anyhow. So,
gentlemen, how are you tonight? Baker will start with you then hanging Advance,
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tonight, stock by a Sasquatch. You know, there's a lot of behaviors
out there right that we can attribute to Bigfoot, and you know, I
think the frightening aspect though of it for me is that feeling of being watched
or feeling of being followed when you're in the woods and not having a rational
explanation for it, not being able to turn around and see what's around you,
so on and so forth. And so that kind of was the premise
for this episode. It wasn't to elicit fear, to make it seem like
a horror movie serial killer Bigfoot, but to really start getting some emphasis on
the behaviors that people are noticing and the stalking behavior is not unusual, and
did you guys have any thoughts on it? Go ahead, Henry, what's
your thoughts on the whole stalking situation. Well, you know, I've read
so many accounts of individuals have been in the woods and they don't necessarily see
anything, but they hear something off to the side, paralleling thing. It's
some thing, it's walking on two feet. So my my thing with the
stalking is as much as you have to look at it at the angle,
what is the bit? What is the sasquatch getting out of it? I
mean, are you a food source? Is he interested? Are you in
his territory or her? You know, use where a pronoun works with you,
you know. But the thing is like that's where I that's where I
have the thing because like I'm not talking about a habituation or blah blah blah.
I'm talking about just I'm in the woods working on my greenhouse, okay,
and I hear a noise. You know what that whatever that thing is,
what value is staring at me or watching what I'm doing? Am I
threatening them? Or do they more curious? Or am I a food source?
You know? I mean, And that's where I think we have to
look at is that, you know, if these things are continually happening in
one area, then maybe we should not be there. We're the only thing.
I always kind of took it as you're in my living room, you
need to leave my living room. Well, I don't know, because here's
the thing with my thoughts, I'm thinking of thinking of us as a food
source, all right, a big There would be more reports of violent activity
if that was the case, and I think there would be a lot more
missing people if that was also the case now, And that's accurate, right.
So one of the hardest parts about doing this show was deciphering the creepy
pastas from the legitimately reported accounts. You know, the more sensational the story,
the more incredible it is, the more people tune in, Which is
why even kind of titling the show, I had a little trepidition because I
didn't want it to be You want it to be a tension grabbing, but
you don't want it to be offensive, and you don't want it to be
catch you know, you want it to be true to form, you know,
and there's shows out there that you know, Sasquat Chronicles and others that
do a very good job chronicling some of these really scary situations. But how
do we blend the world of research and these stories of fright and concern,
you know, something a little bit more relevant to what we do. And
it's hard because you don't want to minimize someone's experience, right, You don't
want to know take away from their emotional reaction all this, And it's easy
to write that off and say, man, this is so sensational, it
has to be it has to be fake. Sometimes a real sensational story is
a real sensational story, and I think there's some merit. You just have
to have good blinders and does the rest of the story make sense. So
when I was doing this and looking at some of these, I don't know
if it was a complete success, but there's definitely a It was hard,
I guess is my point to put myself in the shoes of the people that
experience it, but then also want to be able to have some sort of
discernment as to if these events really took place. Well, I think that
when you say that that's accurate, And not to rego over the point I
already made was I think a lot of these experiences you have to look at
the individual and you also have to look at how the story melts because a
lot of times when someone's either making something up or truly believes it without any
real happening, the story changes and they get more frightened or angry when you
talk to them, you know, like you know, like oh, no,
no, no it it didn't come through the back door. It always
comes through the front door. Okay. Well, you know when you ask
a question like okay, so your house faces this way, how far from
the or with just seven hundred you know, it's just you know, like
I can understand basic mistakes, like you know, if you explained, if
I explained to you what I did yesterday, I could give you. But
then if you ask me for the story again, I would fill in little
fillers that I remembered as I told the story. Birth not sure, but
when you questioned me, and this is where maybe Matt would come in.
When you questioned me, my core story doesn't change, and I'm not afraid
to tell you what I think because if I'm making it up, then I
have to go back in the back of my head going Okay, it's got
to still sound plausible, but I can't seem noths so I canna find that
happy meeting, you know, compared to I had cheap yesterday. You know,
yeah, I think there's always a little bit of embellishing. You want
to put in the story to make it entertaining, and you want people to
stay captivated and pay attention. You know, Baker Laura is always correcting me
when I'm telling a story. She's like, what doesn't happen though I'm telling
the story. Shut up, let me let me do that. You do
that? Yeah too, Yeah, Like, listen, it's a little bit
more interesting when you tell it this way. It's not a lie. It's
just embellished. We were down south, we were in Tennessee. Like,
okay, yeah, be specifics. Well, it's the details that people are
listening for in the story. That's why you want to put as many details
in without being drolled and boring. But you want to be able to craft
the tail out of it. I mean, you could take you you have
a habit of kind of living giving cliff notes, I have a habit of
you knowing and the meat and potatoes, right, which is not always a
bad thing. But so let's take, for instance, guys, in the
fall of seven, I got an email from a lady in a local town,
not the same town I live in, but pretty close by. It
is really when I just started the research solo, when I started going out
with the PA Bigfoot Society, I kind of had credentials, do you know
what I mean. And the incident took place in September of that year.
And while this lady was out riding her bike on a road, both sides
of the road is wooded, and she does this quite often, So this
isn't a new activity for our witness and ignore is this location kind of not
this type of location uncommon in our county, Baker. You and I can
go down many roads in this area and they're completely wood covered on both sides.
In fact, if you didn't have a mailbox half the time, you
wouldn't know somebody lived behind him or in those woods. Yep. And the
dirt road right and as she was riding her bicycle, she couldn't escape the
feeling of being followed by something and it really bothered her. And it wasn't
something she had when she's, like I told you, she did this many
times. It's not something she experienced before while riding her bike. Now,
the interesting thing about this is on the right side of the road down there's
the road kind of the guardrail underneath that is a little lower plateau area.
So the road drops down and it's flat, and you still have those wooded
tree lines on the sides, and she felt like there was something, you
know, really paying attention to her on that side of the tree lines.
Now she's going she feels like this thing still following her. She's being paralleled
by it. At one point, in fact, she says, she said
to me, as she slowed the stop, she could hear movement in the
tree line just out of sight. She kept turning her head to see if
someone was falling, but there was nothing in her field of view. And
as you know, she notates the right side of the road had to drop
off and more decent cover. As she's going on, a rock was tossed
out of the woods and it landed not far off from where she was riding
her bicycle. Well, that kind of put her in mode, and she
starts taking off, and then she could hear or something moving through the tree
line kind of paralleling her, and it followed her and followed her until she's
like, well, I don't want this thing to follow me home, So
she kind of stops and belines it and takes another trail. Really scared the
hell out of this lady. As she experienced this, she became more fearful.
She pedled on. She finally got home, didn't feel like anything followed
her home. Not long after that incident happened. Something had taken the garbage
can from her property, moved the garbage can down towards the end of her
property, and took the garbage out of her garbage can, but did it
in a way where it was something had just taken the garbage bags and set
them down and not ripped it apart, not violently apart, No, just
moved it themselves so cumulatively. She felt like whatever may have followed her that
day, maybe it's followed her more than what she realized, and it did
know where she lived and decided to make itself, you know, home to
her garbage. Now, she never reported anything violent happening aside from that rock
throwing. She did inevitably report some strange sounds. She couldn't explain. I
never found any footprints or anything in that area. But you know, we
know that area very well baked, and it wouldn't be out of the realm
of possibility. And historically there's been other sightings within a few miles of that
lady's location. It's not in town, it's on the outskirts of town.
It's actually, you know, parts of the city we live in guys very
rural. So like even though you might be postally one seven seven oh one,
one seven seven oh one carries a wide ZIP code, just like Moncy
Valley, you know that area. Really the zip yeah, that zip code's
quite you know large. So sometimes I guess that's another point. When you
get these reports, you're reading them and you let, well, postally,
this is your address, but you really got to dial in and think,
well, yeah, that might sound like it's coming from the you know,
you hear what Williams Sport or whatnot. You think, my god, this
is right in the center of town, till you look at a map and
realize, well, you know, this is a town that's in a valley
and we're surrounded by woods, and some parts of this town are in the
woods. So it was an interesting story. It's one of the first cases
I found her to be a very sincere witness. But that bicycle riding and
how it followed her, I mean that went on for minutes. It wasn't
just a quick, quick encounter. I mean that went on for maybe ten,
ten, twelve minutes, that she was shadowed by this thing and then
the rock throwing and that really scared her and at least right I mean,
it was really interesting. I mean just her reaction to it, you could
tell she was genuine and it was a scary kind of behavior. Especially you
know, you're first of all this day and age, even back then,
you know, being a woman, I'm sure you're always more guarded than you
know, maybe some of us are than more outriding our bicycles, but you
know, you know, have a feeling of something. She never indicated that
she saw anything, but just movement, like something moving. So that was
the other thing that you know, you really can't put your fingers on.
Could it have been. It could have been many things. I don't know,
but the rock throwing and then her garbage being moved later was just pretty
fascinating to me. And we've been getting reports like that. You know.
The other thing when I draw parallels to that behavior, I go back,
you know, are the folks and we talked about the Cook County creature here
last year, and these folks lived out in the middle of nowhere, mister
and missus A, and she had her sighting took place with you know,
she looking down at the edge of her deck and her dog stopped and she's
out looking and she sees that large hair covered creature reaching in her garbage can
and taking her garbage out there too. So, you know, I start
putting behaviors together. That first sighting that we talked about happened to know seven,
you know, mister and missus A happened years later. This is just
interesting how even in your own research, you can start picking out some behavioral
things or draw some conclusions in comparison based on other other activities. Yeah,
well, the only thing, the only there's only two things that can throw
rocks in the woods, and it's us and sasquatch. So thumb, I'm
gonna throw rocks, right, posible thumb exactly, man's so process of elimination.
It was either a human or a sasquatch, one of the two.
Right. I questioned the thumb theory because I think it's also a brain thing.
Like what's the point of a raccoon or a bear chuck in a rocky?
You know what I mean? There are animals that could grasp small stones
and throw them. But the mental, the mental the mental square to oh
if I throw this object at something compared to just lunging at it, you
know, well, you know, I also think there's the thought that everything
sounds larger in the woods as it's out walking around, right, Baker,
we found out firsthand, like, but you know, many a times it
sounds like something large stomping around in the woods is a porcupine or skunk,
skunk or you know something. So when your mind is in a place and
you're putting yourself in that mental space that what you think is happening is happening,
you start convincing yourself that that's the case, and you start you don't
start thinking about other alternatives that could be more you know, rational than you
expect. Sure, so that was the you know, like, it's interesting
of that because that came from my uh that came from my own research collection,
and that was the first one that I had that kind of I would
call, you know, stalking behavior. I know, Matt had a video
he wanted to play and I got it queued up. We'll play that after
the break. Did you guys have anything wanted to talk about before we jump
into commercials, because we're already at that twenty two minute already. Wow,
nice advance. There is a great documentary by Small Town Monsters, which is
The Hunter Becomes the Hunted. And I'm not going to give too much away
in that documentary, but I encourage everybody watcher and listeners to watch that there
is without giving too much information away because I don't want to do spoiler alerts.
But it's very enthrawling. But there is a portion of a witness encounter
that had three different experiences with what is presumably a bigfoot, but prior to
his personal experience, he called back before all of this when he was a
child. This is in West Virginia and a school bus driver was doing the
route. The bus was empty, made the first stop in West Virginia to
pick up the kids. The kids were not at the stop yet, and
the bus driver is a woman, and she heard these horrible noises from the
woodline and saw the preacher come out of the woodline and jump on top of
a school bus that she's driving. Now, a school bus is ten foots
picked inches high. I did not know the specific terrain, but to be
able to jump on top of a school bus. She freaked, she lost
it, she freaked, she hit the gash. She left that bus stop,
there were no kids at the stop yet, and she drove directly back
to the school bus depot. Quit her job immediately because she didn't know if
this creature was still on top of the school bus or not. Who goes
to it becomes the hunted buy small town monsters. You'll give a little bit
more of the detail of that story. And then the individual who's telling the
story was a child at the time who was going to make his way to
the school bus stop. And of course the bus isn't there, and norwi
the creature at that time. But I've posted the hair race. I posted
the links from something like that happening, not knowing if it's still on top
of the bus, all the thoughts going through your mind as you're heading back
to the school bus depot. What's going on? That's crazy. I posted
the links for the listeners day so they could go check it out. I
didn't put it in twitch. I guess I'll put that link there out that
way so people can see, Hey, you know what, We're everywhere,
We're everywhere. I just couldn't imagine experiencing that type of situation where you know
you're just going about a normal thing, all of a sudden, it's a
burd it's a plane, it's a sasquatch leaving bounding from round to bus,
and it's like there's something on the wing. There's something on the bus.
See. There has been the testimonial from a police officer in a remote area
who was looking to stop these young teams from drag racing down this rural road,
and so he parked in a little off bank whatever in the woods so
that he could keep an eye on the roadway. And as he's sitting there,
this thing comes up and looks in the passenger window at him, and
he lost his mind. I don't blame him. I'd lose my mind too.
That's that's it, game over. And he said, he peeled out
of there. This is a police officer. He peeled out of there,
and he could see this thing in the glare of the tail lights of his
squad car standing there. I'm like, well, I don't know that's that's
being stocked by a stassquatch. But now that gives me question, is why
the hell didn't you get that on a camera, a dash cam or something.
Why wouldn't you flip that patrol Carrah, Again, you're in the moment,
who knows. I know, it's just it's like hindsight being what it
is. I understand, right, But I don't know. But that's really
good point that you bring up on because in the hunter becomes a hunted by
small town monsters, that question is brought up individual witness that actually Boss something
was so enthralled in sock and take him back by what he's witnessing. Yeah,
the camera is right inside the door of his house, and he's on
his ports. He's got a gun, he's got a camera, he can
record this stuff. But you're so focused in on the situation that's happening at
the time, those thoughts can cross your mind. Yeah, but you almost
think with law enforcement you're a little bit more adept and trained to be ready
to deal with the unexpected in the moment, right. I mean, it's
just you know, three times bigger than yours. I mean, I don't
know that my all bets are off. I don't know. But again,
we talk about putting yourself in that mental space. You know, it's hard
to discern and go ahead, bake. I'm sorry, but I think that
we're looking at this through a different lens because the generation we have now and
the generation before, with the cell phone generation that and I do it.
I can't help it. I bring my phone everywhere. While I'm waiting on
something, while I'm doing something else, I'm looking at my phone. I'm
doing whatever. You know, I'm almost creating my own ADHD just with multitasking
with a cell phone. Well he's doing this show. Well, sometimes I
am, because sometimes we talk about something real quick and it kicks in.
I go, hey, I need to look at this, you know,
like what No, I quit playing that like years ago. I'm in the
you know way. The point, though, is is that with this,
with this, the way things are now, with the cell phones and the
iPads and all the other stuff, is a lot of people are quick to
pull that sucker out in video because they want their five seconds of fame,
or they want proof that they were assaulted or demeaned or whatever. So I
mean, I could see in the near future that a lot of these sightings,
if there may be more video evidence, just because it's a natural reflex,
like a you know, if I can record somebody getting close to me,
then I feel safer, you know, like allowed to do that,
but you know, like getting misgendered at Arby's. How what you're talking about?
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Fork of James Baker, Henry May and Vance Nesbit. We've been talking about
stalking Sasquatch tonight, witnesses either being followed and chased or harassed by these creatures
or jumping on school buses. So it's been an interesting show so far.
Guys. I have a couple more stories that I've gotten on the web and
a video that Matt wanted me to play, but I want to make sure
you guys get your time in. What do you have? Oh? I
want to see the video. You don't want to see the video it's from
It's from a TV show. So we're going to test our copyright infringements here.
But you know me, I'm always willing to push the This is not
the video in what you are looking for. You're going to do when they
come for you. Let me get this set up because I know people say
we're unprofessional and we do this. We can talk on this video too.
The following events occurred in the Cascade Mountains of Oregon in nineteen ninety seven.
At the time, I was fit. At the present time, I certainly
am not. I feel you, brother, It's a diverse police force.
I was early getting off shift. It was one of the prettiest days I
can ever remember seeing in the Cascade Mountains. It made me want to take
a hike. Take a hike. I didn't get shirt of for two hours
at least. It was taking a long time because of the terrain. Gearediasis
if he was washing his space, I hope not drinking that water. Decided
to find a route that would get me into a more open area. That's
what she said. Oh. I looked through my compass to take that measurement.
I was totally shocked. I saw a person standing there, but it
was clearly not a human being. Yeah, this thing had a human like
shape to it and a clear place for the eyes and the nose. In
the mouth, but it wasn't a person. He had his eyes directly on
me. The weirdest thing happened. I just involuntarily cocked my head to one
side. He mimicked me exactly so smart. I instinctively reached around to get
my weapon. He ran away so fast it seemed impossible, certainly physically impossible
for a him. I was so curious that I had to check it out.
I carried on walking for a while, but I was feeling a little
nervous. I wouldn't have walked better. Rund Bee for me to get back
to the car before dark, and I didn't have a flashlight. Got pulled
a gun on the dark. Figure around right, then stop it where it
is. It was as loud as some guns when they go off. It
was a big tree. The snap came from my right. It was impossible
he'd circled me. The idea that I couldn't see him, that he could
see me made me very uncomfortable. That's just a prescription for an ambush.
That's when I heard a second. He wasn't just watching or running away from
me. He was tracking. I was rushing down the hill, and all
of a sudden, there is a deer standing in front of me. She
snapped her head over in the direction that I'd been watching, where the snaps
have been coming from. She smelled the air with her head up, smelling
my drawer, and then she bolted in the opposite direction. As fast as
I've ever seen a deer move. I felt the hair on the back of
my neck go up. I knew I was being watched. I was convinced
that I was going to die, and that I was going to die in
a very bad way. When I finally saw my car, I was hearing
snaps very close, but they weren't frequent, and as I got real close
to the car, they stopped entirely. I remember now thinking those snaps have
stopped because he's right behind them and he's going to grab me. Balls thoughts,
there's thoughts, you know, there's a couple of ideas and recollection that
comes back to me about these creatures recognize and understand what a firearm is.
I've heard that so many different times, maybe because of past encounters over years
and years, that they understand that there's a boomstick and it can create death.
And as soon as it saw a boomstick, it took off and ran,
but once the individual out of its territory, and again, it seems
like a lot of these cases, when it's chasing you out of the territory
back to the vehicle in which you got there, that's when they cease their
chase because they know that is an object that you're going to get in and
you're going to vacate the area and a mission is accomplished. So those are
my two big takeaways from that type of story. Go ahead, Henry.
Well. One takeaway I have is then you never call it a say,
aasquatch or bigfoot. They just said it was a dark figure. They said
it was some sort of a creature of some sort, but never said it
was a sasquatquad Well, he said, dark hairy figure. Yeah, that's
still you know, go ahead, Yeah, still it is absolutely that's a
crappier underwear moment. Yeah, I just I don't know. There seems to
be some sincerity in the story he's telling. You know, he's again you
have to realize that he's probably in a room telling his story. Meanwhile,
there's a production team out there creating this, you know this the drama around
behind it, so you know, we're getting thee And this is what I
was talking about at the beginning of the show, Like, when you see
it presented in this form, it becomes a lot more creepy, pasta ish
as opposed to a legitimate encounter, right, because that's how it's presented.
It doesn't have to be. And Baker, you made a good point there
in the chat addited version. You know at that point you're now with the
mercy of a production company that's going to cut up your story and just add
music to it, right, get more dramatic. Sure, of course,
to the end of the day, if you take that as a core story,
that's a pretty that's a pretty scary story. Go ahead. But then
again you asked the question of is what is the value to him to tell
that story to people? Like he used to be a police officer, I'm
assessin or you know, and he liked to hike and stuff like that,
like really honestly, like he's really honest about It's like when I wasn't fat
and old, I used to walk around a lot and at one time I
saw something and then it changed how I do things, Which maybe that's why
I got fat and old, because he stopped going as whats But like the
fact is, it's like there's no value of him telling that story to a
bunch of people because it just makes him look like, Hey, do you
hear Bob, did you hear don knots the cop over there? You know
he's got you know, he saw a sasquatch. Yeah, Barney Fife saw
bigfoot out in the wood last Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
I couldn't think of the name Barney Fife. Yeah. Well, he didn't
take a flashlight, you know, well, he was supposedly it was a
beautiful clear day. He didn't expect to be out there that long. But
then he says he hiked for two hours. I'm assessing that it was two
hours back to his car, unless he was making a circle. But like,
like he had said, he'd hiked that area before and not a problem
this particular time. You know, always make sure you're prepared, folks.
Make sure he pulled his compass out. That's what it was, something that
the compass was interesting, you know, I don't know the story was.
Yeah, I'm sure there was a reason Matt wanted to share it. I
wish he would have gave me his notes so I could have read his you
know process behind why that particular video. But I think it does go into
some good behavioral pieces, you know, like you identified it, pulled the
gun out on it, and it for some reason recognized that as threat behavior
and left. But then why did it come back? Probably to get the
individual out of its living room, right, And then we go back to
you know stories we've heard of other places like we can go back. I
mentioned it last week. We're going to talk about it again in the future.
Aw Oklahoma, that situation where they're you know, shooting and you know,
potentially killing these these things that are attacking the homestead, and they still
keep coming back. Right, So again, you know, we talk about
a learned behavior. We identify the boomstick as you and Ash like to call
it, and they know that's a bad thing, doesn't stop them from coming
back, right, No, I think it's taking on a different tactic.
Whatever the theory is in these creatures, intelligence level on warfare, on how
to deal with a situation like that, who to say, you know,
I don't want to draw too many conclusions to other creatures that are able to
communicate, you know, defensive modes, but you know, crows are able
to teach their young what specific items are dangerous. But how are they able
to do that? And maybe Bigfoot has that ability too, to pass this
knowledge down through the years that you know, these other bipedal creatures, they
have this thing that they can pull out and it can hurt or kill.
Well, they have ways, there's forms of communication they have that we don't
utilize. And then of course, you know with the Sasquatch, you know
we've heard bits and snippets of their language, if that's what it truly is
from Ron moorehead vocalizations, whatever they mean. I'm sure that's a way for
them to convey information out to somebody. And as we go back to a
police officer there, you know, he felt like he was getting set up
for ambush behavior, right, an ambush tactic. You talked about that thing
changing tactics, Well, you know, right then and there he kind of
felt it. I think we have to look as most cryptids that we believe
exist have to have a measure of intelligence. Otherwise we'd find them like we
do baar deer and bunnies, they'd be everywhere, you know, there'd be
no like. At some point they must have recognized that we were able to,
you know, be a threat to them not decide to talk to us
any further. Because if you look at the ancient stories the Native Americans,
some of the other ones, even the cavemen, they had pictures of things
that seemed like agent aliens, were hairy creatures. And the thing is is
that though at one point there must have been a collective idea to say these
things are these these these things are overpower or overpopulating us. We do not
want to be just exterminated by it. It seems to be afraid of us
now while we back away and kind of hide in the woods, because otherwise,
if it's an unintelligent creature, like I've said multiple times, then we
would hit them in the streets like bear. You know, there'd be no
question where a body was or anything else, because there has to be an
intelligence somewhere to allow it to not be recognized compared to you know, compared
to an animal animal that would if I put out a half broad chicken and
put a camera over it, I'm gonna catch I'm gonna catch twenty animals grabbing
it. And they don't care. They don't care cameras there, they don't
care that I saw them do it. But if this creature exists, then
it's intelligent, right, you know? Well there's a lot another by that,
right. I have another one here for us guys. This one is
from Fantoms and Monsters. January fifth, twenty twenty four. Elk hunter paralleled
and stalked by possible bigfoot near Mount Saint Helen's. A military vet in his
back home in Washington and hunting elk near Mount Saint Helen's. He hears some
walking in the woods, eventually realizing that at least one bigfoot is paralleling him,
and the story goes as follows. This experience happened to me after I
left the military. I was hunting near Mount Saint Helen's, Washington. This
is my first trip back and I wanted to get in some elk hunting.
I was so excited to be back home and able to go hunting, which
I love. My hunting partner was not able to go with me on this
trip, so I was going to make a solo trip, which I've done
many times before. I knew the area well enough and was prepared for what
it would present. I always take at least three days worth of provisions when
hunting and survival gear in the way of extra clothing, a poncho, matches,
firestarter, and other essential items in my backpack. I know that many
do not take such precautions when hunting, but I do because once while hunting
I got turned around so bad. I spent three days in the woods wishing
I had something with me other than my gun, knife and what I was
wearing on my back. On this trip, I was going to hunt a
power transmission line. Right away, I parked on the logging road and walked
about a mile to where I would sit on top of a ridge where I
would be able to watch both sides. It allowed me to be able to
have a clear shot for over four hundred yards in either direction. I had
taken several elk in the same location in various seasons over the years before entering
the service. I walked in before the light and reached the spot where I
intended to hunt before the sun came up. I was there all day and
did not see a thing. This was highly unusual, as every other time
I had chosen this location I always saw something. It was also so it
was also more quiet than I remember. For some reason, I also had
the feeling of being watched, but thought it was nothing. About an hour
before dark and close to when I would have to leave, I started to
hear movement to the right in the woods. It was not the unusual It
was not the usual sound you hear from an animal, more like someone walking
in the woods. I thought that maybe someone else was hunting in this area.
I took note to be careful and not to shoot in that direction.
Shut an elk, walk out. I never saw anyone else, but kept
having that feeling I was being watched. It's just a feeling I could not
shake. When I got up to leave, I yelled over and said,
I'm coming out. For God's sakes, don't shoot. I said, this
is more of a joke. No one said anything, and there was no
more movement from that direction. I once again yelled a little louder, I'm
coming up, Please don't shoot. I started walking towards the dirt road and
wandered back and forth between transmission power lines. I thought it was funny that
whoever it was didn't call back to say they had heard me. I got
to the road and started back to my car, thinking that whoever it was
didn't want to make any noise to scare any animals, as it was not
quite dark enough to stop hunting. But for me, I felt the urge
to leave. As I moved down the road towards my car, the sound
of walking in the woods started again off to my right, just inside the
tree line. I thought that maybe whoever it was had decided to walk out
with me. Whoever it was did not come out of the woods, but
just kept paralleling me. I'd stop and they'd stop. This is beginning to
creep me out, so I asked them to come out where I could see
them. There is no reply. In a louder voice, I said,
enough's enough, no more games. Get your ass out here so I can
see you again. There was no reply. I took my gun off my
shoulder and locked around into the chamber, keeping the gun pointed in the direction
of the area while I heard the walking, but with my safety on,
I continued to walk to my car. When I stopped, it stopped.
I became worried that maybe this was not human. I began to think that
maybe this might be a bigfoot. I was also aware that there may be
another one on the left side of me. I started to watch all around
me. After all, I would rather be safe than sorry. I still
had quite a way to go to get to my car and knew it would
be dark by the time I got there. I started a jog so I
could possibly get there before it was totally dark. The thing to my right
started keeping pace with me. I could hear breaking limbs in what sounded like
small trees as it kept pace with me. By this time, I knew
it was not a human being, and I was almost sure it was a
bigfoot. I made it to my car without ever seeing what it was,
but I wasted no time in putting things away. I simply threw my things
in the car and got out of there as fast as I could. Without
ever seeing it, I could tell you it was not a bear, cougar,
bobcat, or anything else that I've experienced in the woods. I cannot
say for sure it was a bigfoot because of an experience years previous. I'm
more positive than not it was so somewhere along the line he had an experience
before that. That's a pretty intense situation, right And you know, as
we talk about the hunters and the things they experience, and we'll get into
that in another episode, and more of that because at a case I investigated
in twenty sixteen where the hunter I, you know, had a visual encounter.
I don't know, there's just something more about it when a hunter gets
spoop, you know, because they are armed, they are out in a
position, they're usually used to their surroundings. I don't know, guys,
what are your thoughts. Yeah, well, if you have a deer tree
stand, i'd be putting that thing about forty feet up in a tree instead
of six. But I think that, but I think that it goes true
to what we've said a long time ago. Is though, as he's out
in an area where there is game, he's out there for a reason.
That reconciles that the creature could be out there for a reason. They like
them too. They just don't use a gun, which scares me more.
Break that neck and down they go go ahead. Henry, Well, it's
interesting that these individuals, these individuals that you were talking about, Sean,
did not see what was paralleling. Now. Now, the lady did not
make any exceptions as to what it was. But the guy, I said,
yeah, maybe be a sasquatch. Which is interesting because you know,
I say, now, the only other thing it might have been with another
person, and who would have known that guy was going to be out there?
Right? And you know when I asked the lady way back then,
why you know she reported it to me. She just felt like there was
no other explanation after she started, you know, looking around into what it
could potentially be. You know, she never had that experience with a bear.
She doubted it was another person just because of how it was keeping pace
with her. And again, it's the same thing that's said in that story,
keeping pace. You know, it managed to keep up with them,
and on foot, that's not so terrifying. But when you're on a bicycle,
it's able to keep up with you, you know, that's a different
story, right. Yeah. I've heard of a case too where a woman
made this report of the same thing. She was in her car on a
gravel road, so she wasn't really driving that fast on a gravel road,
and this thing was paralleling her at the same speed. So again, I
don't know what the point is behind that, other than escorting you out of
their area. That's the only thing I can see. You would think that
if it wanted to be a lot more violent and had plenty of opportunities to
do so in that stalking behavior, unless it's putting itself into position to learn
before it strikes. Well, that's a good point too. Didn't think of
it that way. Well, we don't want to think about it that way.
We don't want to think that we can become the hunted, right And
you know, we pride ourselves as being the top of the food chain,
right, you know, and we're only top of the food chain because we
have you know, opposable thumbs, the ability to fashion weapons, and we
have boomsticks and ovens, and yeah, I know, honestly, is something
evolving parallel to us that may not be as sophisticated but may have far with
greater strength. That's a little bit intimidating. And you know, back to
the story you shared in the news break with Gigantopithecus dying out. You know,
first of all, we don't know that Bigfoot is Gigantipithecus. No,
you know, we've always had that assumption that it's within that lineage, but
there are many people that think it followed more along the lines of a paranthepus
or not as massive as Giganto. And we don't know why Giganto died.
We assume it died, but if it was covergent with the Neanderthal, they
also think the Neanderthal killed it out right because it and you know, with
a theory that I brought up. You know, China and its human population
is by far much older than the human population in lower forty eight states of
the United States. And why would it have been only in China that Gigantipithecus
would have existed? Well, why not in the lower forty eight. Well,
they say that the human population wasn't nearly as expansive as it is in
China at that time. So we have to be very clear about something.
Vance. We don't have full fossil of gigante. All we found is a
partial jawbone and some teeth. We never found anything else, right, Yeah,
and we haven't found anything else here. But the environment may have been
more suitable here in the lower forty eight where all that evidence would have been
consumed by earth or other rodents. Sure, porcupine whatever, Yeah, no,
understandable. Not the greatest environment for fossilization. We'll put it to you
that way. Just you know, we make a lot of assumptions on a
creature. We've only have a handful of teeth and a jawbone from that's my
point. I'm trying to right right. Well, guys, we've hit that
time again. Any final thoughts from you all before we beat out for the
night. Ooh wow, I'm glad you used out who That was close.
Now we can go on with this subject, you know, stalked by Sasquatch
probably for hours and hours and hours on end, because this is only just
a tiny sliver the top of the iceberg of the whole subject, because there's
so many stories, including personal stories, that we can all you know,
share, and we haven't even gotten into that right. So yeah, I
would like to continue with this subject matter at some point, but Sean and
myself had a conversation earlier today. We got some great shows coming up in
the near future that we'll be looking forward to with some great guests, So
stay with us, stay tuned, Henry Baker, anything else. Thank you,
Steve, Thanks for tuning in to night Buddy. Yeah, thanks,
see Baker, say the word, Henry, Let's get her home. Take
us out, buddy. You'll be good, be good at We'll see you
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