WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:04.799 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:08.919 the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. 3 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:15.439 As always, listener discretion is advibe what are you putting? Uh? We 4 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:24.359 got some one or something frawing around out here? Does a legend walk among 5 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:31.920 us working in the forests of our world? Did you see what it was? 6 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.000 Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go if if 7 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:38.880 I know that my thunder light came on and I did that A to glimp 8 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:43.119 and see this thing running across the yard, A good fight man or something 9 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:51.000 works like a man. I don't know what it was. For over fifteen 10 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:56.560 years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to 11 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:06.920 gain insight and proof around the existence this mysterious entity. Jesus care, Hello, 12 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.120 get somebody out here. What's going to announce there? At ABC about 13 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.480 six four nine? I don't know, easy announce there? Yes, I'm 14 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:21.680 looking right over. Oh, okay, hand on her, Yeah, got 15 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:25.400 it's bigger? Okay, what's he doing in your yard? We're gonna move 16 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:57.760 you join us as we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. And 17 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:01.159 good evening everyone, once again, welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Sewn Fork 18 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:05.840 Or James Baker, Henry May, and Vanced Nesbitt. Matt Arner out tonight 19 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.000 under the weather, and we wish Matt just all the best and feeling better. 20 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:12.520 He's got a rough one out there the next few days, so we 21 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.039 just want him to get better and we're thinking of you, buddy, get 22 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:21.319 better soon. Somewhere along the line we have Vance Nesbitt there is co host 23 00:02:21.400 --> 00:02:24.879 the announcer. Guys, we had a great show last week and we're going 24 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:30.800 to continue the discussions this week. This week's episode Stalked by Sasquatch, we're 25 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:35.680 going to talk about some interesting stories and accounts that we've pulled from either cases 26 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:40.199 I've investigated or some stories we found online to talk about. And there's also 27 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:44.800 a video that Matt wanted to play that I think we're going to go ahead 28 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:46.039 and play. And I don't know if it'll get us in any hot water 29 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:51.000 with copyrights, but I'll be damned we're gonna do it anyhow. So, 30 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.719 gentlemen, how are you tonight? Baker will start with you then hanging Advance, 31 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:00.120 I'm good. Been a fall in a week is always good, you 32 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.800 know, it's better than a liquid and with you, definitely better than a 33 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.719 gas. So I asked us to make all three forms. And how about 34 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:12.719 it, Henry? How you doing over there, Bud? I'm doing well, 35 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.120 and we are digging out from all the snow and ice that we had, 36 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:23.360 and we are Our snow is melting. Actually even as we speak, 37 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:28.599 terms have gotten above freezing, so that's a plus. We're doing much better 38 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:30.800 with that. The road, the roads are clear and everything, so everybody's 39 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.719 able to get out and about well. Henry, you live down in Mississippi, 40 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.280 and people that may not know this, you know, it's a different 41 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:43.439 situation. When you get the winter precipitation down there. You're not quite as 42 00:03:43.479 --> 00:03:46.680 prepared for it as US Yankees are up here, you know, right, 43 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:50.800 and when you get it, it's it's a little bit more difficult. So 44 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.879 glad you're doing well down there, buddy, And Vance? How are you 45 00:03:53.919 --> 00:04:00.080 doing the night? Wow? This is like sass Wuatts weather talk. How 46 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.680 about it, qu trainy, We're supposed to get about a quarter inch of 47 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:09.960 ice, so yeah, yeah, I mean, other than that precipitation striking 48 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:13.080 us. Looks like the week's not going to be any different. But you 49 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.919 know, the good thing is you have us to keep you entertained for at 50 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.920 least an hour, and our whole plethora of archives. If you go to 51 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:23.160 Sasquatch Experience dot com, can go right down the list right on the main 52 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:27.199 page and listen to every episode we've had since the relaunch. And we've got 53 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:30.199 a few classics mixed in there in between, so that's good stuff. YouTube, 54 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:35.600 Well, we are on YouTube. Yeah, we are on YouTube a 55 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:40.399 Sasquatch Experience. 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We've got a lot of great stuff 82 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:34.839 planned for our supporters this year. We're really excited to get going, guys 83 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:39.959 tonight, stock by a Sasquatch. You know, there's a lot of behaviors 84 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:45.360 out there right that we can attribute to Bigfoot, and you know, I 85 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.120 think the frightening aspect though of it for me is that feeling of being watched 86 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.759 or feeling of being followed when you're in the woods and not having a rational 87 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:58.120 explanation for it, not being able to turn around and see what's around you, 88 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.600 so on and so forth. And so that kind of was the premise 89 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.800 for this episode. It wasn't to elicit fear, to make it seem like 90 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:10.560 a horror movie serial killer Bigfoot, but to really start getting some emphasis on 91 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:15.480 the behaviors that people are noticing and the stalking behavior is not unusual, and 92 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.360 did you guys have any thoughts on it? Go ahead, Henry, what's 93 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:23.360 your thoughts on the whole stalking situation. Well, you know, I've read 94 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:29.120 so many accounts of individuals have been in the woods and they don't necessarily see 95 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:33.800 anything, but they hear something off to the side, paralleling thing. It's 96 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.800 some thing, it's walking on two feet. So my my thing with the 97 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:42.920 stalking is as much as you have to look at it at the angle, 98 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:46.959 what is the bit? What is the sasquatch getting out of it? I 99 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:50.040 mean, are you a food source? Is he interested? Are you in 100 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:55.759 his territory or her? You know, use where a pronoun works with you, 101 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.319 you know. But the thing is like that's where I that's where I 102 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:03.720 have the thing because like I'm not talking about a habituation or blah blah blah. 103 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:07.800 I'm talking about just I'm in the woods working on my greenhouse, okay, 104 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:13.800 and I hear a noise. You know what that whatever that thing is, 105 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:18.319 what value is staring at me or watching what I'm doing? Am I 106 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.839 threatening them? Or do they more curious? Or am I a food source? 107 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:24.800 You know? I mean, And that's where I think we have to 108 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.680 look at is that, you know, if these things are continually happening in 109 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:35.799 one area, then maybe we should not be there. We're the only thing. 110 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:39.879 I always kind of took it as you're in my living room, you 111 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.519 need to leave my living room. Well, I don't know, because here's 112 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:46.720 the thing with my thoughts, I'm thinking of thinking of us as a food 113 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:54.039 source, all right, a big There would be more reports of violent activity 114 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:58.720 if that was the case, and I think there would be a lot more 115 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:05.240 missing people if that was also the case now, And that's accurate, right. 116 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:11.080 So one of the hardest parts about doing this show was deciphering the creepy 117 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:18.080 pastas from the legitimately reported accounts. You know, the more sensational the story, 118 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.440 the more incredible it is, the more people tune in, Which is 119 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.320 why even kind of titling the show, I had a little trepidition because I 120 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.679 didn't want it to be You want it to be a tension grabbing, but 121 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.080 you don't want it to be offensive, and you don't want it to be 122 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.240 catch you know, you want it to be true to form, you know, 123 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.360 and there's shows out there that you know, Sasquat Chronicles and others that 124 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:45.519 do a very good job chronicling some of these really scary situations. But how 125 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:50.879 do we blend the world of research and these stories of fright and concern, 126 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.960 you know, something a little bit more relevant to what we do. And 127 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:58.159 it's hard because you don't want to minimize someone's experience, right, You don't 128 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:03.600 want to know take away from their emotional reaction all this, And it's easy 129 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.039 to write that off and say, man, this is so sensational, it 130 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.120 has to be it has to be fake. Sometimes a real sensational story is 131 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:16.519 a real sensational story, and I think there's some merit. You just have 132 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.360 to have good blinders and does the rest of the story make sense. So 133 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:22.600 when I was doing this and looking at some of these, I don't know 134 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:28.279 if it was a complete success, but there's definitely a It was hard, 135 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.879 I guess is my point to put myself in the shoes of the people that 136 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:37.480 experience it, but then also want to be able to have some sort of 137 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:43.120 discernment as to if these events really took place. Well, I think that 138 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:48.480 when you say that that's accurate, And not to rego over the point I 139 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:52.320 already made was I think a lot of these experiences you have to look at 140 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.120 the individual and you also have to look at how the story melts because a 141 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.399 lot of times when someone's either making something up or truly believes it without any 142 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.639 real happening, the story changes and they get more frightened or angry when you 143 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.120 talk to them, you know, like you know, like oh, no, 144 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.200 no, no it it didn't come through the back door. It always 145 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.679 comes through the front door. Okay. Well, you know when you ask 146 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.240 a question like okay, so your house faces this way, how far from 147 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:22.559 the or with just seven hundred you know, it's just you know, like 148 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.440 I can understand basic mistakes, like you know, if you explained, if 149 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.639 I explained to you what I did yesterday, I could give you. But 150 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.399 then if you ask me for the story again, I would fill in little 151 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.399 fillers that I remembered as I told the story. Birth not sure, but 152 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.840 when you questioned me, and this is where maybe Matt would come in. 153 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:46.440 When you questioned me, my core story doesn't change, and I'm not afraid 154 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:50.080 to tell you what I think because if I'm making it up, then I 155 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.120 have to go back in the back of my head going Okay, it's got 156 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.120 to still sound plausible, but I can't seem noths so I canna find that 157 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:01.440 happy meeting, you know, compared to I had cheap yesterday. You know, 158 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:05.039 yeah, I think there's always a little bit of embellishing. You want 159 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.039 to put in the story to make it entertaining, and you want people to 160 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.440 stay captivated and pay attention. You know, Baker Laura is always correcting me 161 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.080 when I'm telling a story. She's like, what doesn't happen though I'm telling 162 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:18.639 the story. Shut up, let me let me do that. You do 163 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.360 that? Yeah too, Yeah, Like, listen, it's a little bit 164 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.720 more interesting when you tell it this way. It's not a lie. It's 165 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.559 just embellished. We were down south, we were in Tennessee. Like, 166 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:31.320 okay, yeah, be specifics. Well, it's the details that people are 167 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.039 listening for in the story. That's why you want to put as many details 168 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.879 in without being drolled and boring. But you want to be able to craft 169 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.480 the tail out of it. I mean, you could take you you have 170 00:12:41.559 --> 00:12:43.679 a habit of kind of living giving cliff notes, I have a habit of 171 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:48.919 you knowing and the meat and potatoes, right, which is not always a 172 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.039 bad thing. But so let's take, for instance, guys, in the 173 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.039 fall of seven, I got an email from a lady in a local town, 174 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.360 not the same town I live in, but pretty close by. It 175 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:03.799 is really when I just started the research solo, when I started going out 176 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.519 with the PA Bigfoot Society, I kind of had credentials, do you know 177 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:11.960 what I mean. And the incident took place in September of that year. 178 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.440 And while this lady was out riding her bike on a road, both sides 179 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.360 of the road is wooded, and she does this quite often, So this 180 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:24.279 isn't a new activity for our witness and ignore is this location kind of not 181 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.759 this type of location uncommon in our county, Baker. You and I can 182 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:31.559 go down many roads in this area and they're completely wood covered on both sides. 183 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.519 In fact, if you didn't have a mailbox half the time, you 184 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:39.919 wouldn't know somebody lived behind him or in those woods. Yep. And the 185 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:45.799 dirt road right and as she was riding her bicycle, she couldn't escape the 186 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:50.559 feeling of being followed by something and it really bothered her. And it wasn't 187 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.879 something she had when she's, like I told you, she did this many 188 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:56.759 times. It's not something she experienced before while riding her bike. Now, 189 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:03.000 the interesting thing about this is on the right side of the road down there's 190 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:09.000 the road kind of the guardrail underneath that is a little lower plateau area. 191 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.519 So the road drops down and it's flat, and you still have those wooded 192 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.240 tree lines on the sides, and she felt like there was something, you 193 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.759 know, really paying attention to her on that side of the tree lines. 194 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.360 Now she's going she feels like this thing still following her. She's being paralleled 195 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:30.159 by it. At one point, in fact, she says, she said 196 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.360 to me, as she slowed the stop, she could hear movement in the 197 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:37.240 tree line just out of sight. She kept turning her head to see if 198 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.840 someone was falling, but there was nothing in her field of view. And 199 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.519 as you know, she notates the right side of the road had to drop 200 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:48.840 off and more decent cover. As she's going on, a rock was tossed 201 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:52.799 out of the woods and it landed not far off from where she was riding 202 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.960 her bicycle. Well, that kind of put her in mode, and she 203 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.960 starts taking off, and then she could hear or something moving through the tree 204 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:05.519 line kind of paralleling her, and it followed her and followed her until she's 205 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:07.240 like, well, I don't want this thing to follow me home, So 206 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:13.039 she kind of stops and belines it and takes another trail. Really scared the 207 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.480 hell out of this lady. As she experienced this, she became more fearful. 208 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.440 She pedled on. She finally got home, didn't feel like anything followed 209 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:26.559 her home. Not long after that incident happened. Something had taken the garbage 210 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:31.120 can from her property, moved the garbage can down towards the end of her 211 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:37.039 property, and took the garbage out of her garbage can, but did it 212 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.279 in a way where it was something had just taken the garbage bags and set 213 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:46.559 them down and not ripped it apart, not violently apart, No, just 214 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:54.559 moved it themselves so cumulatively. She felt like whatever may have followed her that 215 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.919 day, maybe it's followed her more than what she realized, and it did 216 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:03.559 know where she lived and decided to make itself, you know, home to 217 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:11.480 her garbage. Now, she never reported anything violent happening aside from that rock 218 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:17.279 throwing. She did inevitably report some strange sounds. She couldn't explain. I 219 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:21.840 never found any footprints or anything in that area. But you know, we 220 00:16:22.000 --> 00:16:26.759 know that area very well baked, and it wouldn't be out of the realm 221 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.639 of possibility. And historically there's been other sightings within a few miles of that 222 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:36.639 lady's location. It's not in town, it's on the outskirts of town. 223 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:40.039 It's actually, you know, parts of the city we live in guys very 224 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.559 rural. So like even though you might be postally one seven seven oh one, 225 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:48.000 one seven seven oh one carries a wide ZIP code, just like Moncy 226 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.919 Valley, you know that area. Really the zip yeah, that zip code's 227 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:57.360 quite you know large. So sometimes I guess that's another point. When you 228 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:00.720 get these reports, you're reading them and you let, well, postally, 229 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.320 this is your address, but you really got to dial in and think, 230 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.319 well, yeah, that might sound like it's coming from the you know, 231 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:10.839 you hear what Williams Sport or whatnot. You think, my god, this 232 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.519 is right in the center of town, till you look at a map and 233 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:15.359 realize, well, you know, this is a town that's in a valley 234 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.920 and we're surrounded by woods, and some parts of this town are in the 235 00:17:18.920 --> 00:17:22.599 woods. So it was an interesting story. It's one of the first cases 236 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.599 I found her to be a very sincere witness. But that bicycle riding and 237 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:30.240 how it followed her, I mean that went on for minutes. It wasn't 238 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:34.200 just a quick, quick encounter. I mean that went on for maybe ten, 239 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:40.480 ten, twelve minutes, that she was shadowed by this thing and then 240 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:45.720 the rock throwing and that really scared her and at least right I mean, 241 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.680 it was really interesting. I mean just her reaction to it, you could 242 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.400 tell she was genuine and it was a scary kind of behavior. Especially you 243 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.440 know, you're first of all this day and age, even back then, 244 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.279 you know, being a woman, I'm sure you're always more guarded than you 245 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.279 know, maybe some of us are than more outriding our bicycles, but you 246 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:07.640 know, you know, have a feeling of something. She never indicated that 247 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.680 she saw anything, but just movement, like something moving. So that was 248 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.039 the other thing that you know, you really can't put your fingers on. 249 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:17.480 Could it have been. It could have been many things. I don't know, 250 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:22.039 but the rock throwing and then her garbage being moved later was just pretty 251 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:26.079 fascinating to me. And we've been getting reports like that. You know. 252 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:30.559 The other thing when I draw parallels to that behavior, I go back, 253 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.400 you know, are the folks and we talked about the Cook County creature here 254 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:37.640 last year, and these folks lived out in the middle of nowhere, mister 255 00:18:37.759 --> 00:18:44.559 and missus A, and she had her sighting took place with you know, 256 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.839 she looking down at the edge of her deck and her dog stopped and she's 257 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:55.880 out looking and she sees that large hair covered creature reaching in her garbage can 258 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:59.079 and taking her garbage out there too. So, you know, I start 259 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:03.400 putting behaviors together. That first sighting that we talked about happened to know seven, 260 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:07.119 you know, mister and missus A happened years later. This is just 261 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.839 interesting how even in your own research, you can start picking out some behavioral 262 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:18.839 things or draw some conclusions in comparison based on other other activities. Yeah, 263 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.920 well, the only thing, the only there's only two things that can throw 264 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:27.640 rocks in the woods, and it's us and sasquatch. So thumb, I'm 265 00:19:27.640 --> 00:19:34.640 gonna throw rocks, right, posible thumb exactly, man's so process of elimination. 266 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.640 It was either a human or a sasquatch, one of the two. 267 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:44.960 Right. I questioned the thumb theory because I think it's also a brain thing. 268 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.640 Like what's the point of a raccoon or a bear chuck in a rocky? 269 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:52.519 You know what I mean? There are animals that could grasp small stones 270 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.480 and throw them. But the mental, the mental the mental square to oh 271 00:19:56.519 --> 00:20:02.359 if I throw this object at something compared to just lunging at it, you 272 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:04.559 know, well, you know, I also think there's the thought that everything 273 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:10.079 sounds larger in the woods as it's out walking around, right, Baker, 274 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.880 we found out firsthand, like, but you know, many a times it 275 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:18.400 sounds like something large stomping around in the woods is a porcupine or skunk, 276 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:23.319 skunk or you know something. So when your mind is in a place and 277 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:27.799 you're putting yourself in that mental space that what you think is happening is happening, 278 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:33.960 you start convincing yourself that that's the case, and you start you don't 279 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.920 start thinking about other alternatives that could be more you know, rational than you 280 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:41.559 expect. Sure, so that was the you know, like, it's interesting 281 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.279 of that because that came from my uh that came from my own research collection, 282 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:48.680 and that was the first one that I had that kind of I would 283 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:53.319 call, you know, stalking behavior. I know, Matt had a video 284 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.440 he wanted to play and I got it queued up. We'll play that after 285 00:20:56.519 --> 00:21:00.599 the break. Did you guys have anything wanted to talk about before we jump 286 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.720 into commercials, because we're already at that twenty two minute already. Wow, 287 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:15.039 nice advance. There is a great documentary by Small Town Monsters, which is 288 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.960 The Hunter Becomes the Hunted. And I'm not going to give too much away 289 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:26.720 in that documentary, but I encourage everybody watcher and listeners to watch that there 290 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:33.079 is without giving too much information away because I don't want to do spoiler alerts. 291 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:38.440 But it's very enthrawling. But there is a portion of a witness encounter 292 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:48.400 that had three different experiences with what is presumably a bigfoot, but prior to 293 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:56.519 his personal experience, he called back before all of this when he was a 294 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:03.359 child. This is in West Virginia and a school bus driver was doing the 295 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.119 route. The bus was empty, made the first stop in West Virginia to 296 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:11.319 pick up the kids. The kids were not at the stop yet, and 297 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.839 the bus driver is a woman, and she heard these horrible noises from the 298 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:22.839 woodline and saw the preacher come out of the woodline and jump on top of 299 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:29.920 a school bus that she's driving. Now, a school bus is ten foots 300 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:33.799 picked inches high. I did not know the specific terrain, but to be 301 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:40.559 able to jump on top of a school bus. She freaked, she lost 302 00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:42.960 it, she freaked, she hit the gash. She left that bus stop, 303 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.079 there were no kids at the stop yet, and she drove directly back 304 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.640 to the school bus depot. Quit her job immediately because she didn't know if 305 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:57.200 this creature was still on top of the school bus or not. Who goes 306 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:03.119 to it becomes the hunted buy small town monsters. You'll give a little bit 307 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.400 more of the detail of that story. And then the individual who's telling the 308 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.720 story was a child at the time who was going to make his way to 309 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:17.519 the school bus stop. And of course the bus isn't there, and norwi 310 00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:22.119 the creature at that time. But I've posted the hair race. I posted 311 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.480 the links from something like that happening, not knowing if it's still on top 312 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:30.000 of the bus, all the thoughts going through your mind as you're heading back 313 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.839 to the school bus depot. What's going on? That's crazy. I posted 314 00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:38.599 the links for the listeners day so they could go check it out. I 315 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:42.079 didn't put it in twitch. I guess I'll put that link there out that 316 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.119 way so people can see, Hey, you know what, We're everywhere, 317 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:52.759 We're everywhere. I just couldn't imagine experiencing that type of situation where you know 318 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.799 you're just going about a normal thing, all of a sudden, it's a 319 00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.279 burd it's a plane, it's a sasquatch leaving bounding from round to bus, 320 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.559 and it's like there's something on the wing. There's something on the bus. 321 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:14.200 See. There has been the testimonial from a police officer in a remote area 322 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:19.960 who was looking to stop these young teams from drag racing down this rural road, 323 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:26.680 and so he parked in a little off bank whatever in the woods so 324 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.559 that he could keep an eye on the roadway. And as he's sitting there, 325 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:37.680 this thing comes up and looks in the passenger window at him, and 326 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.359 he lost his mind. I don't blame him. I'd lose my mind too. 327 00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:45.960 That's that's it, game over. And he said, he peeled out 328 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.799 of there. This is a police officer. He peeled out of there, 329 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.279 and he could see this thing in the glare of the tail lights of his 330 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.880 squad car standing there. I'm like, well, I don't know that's that's 331 00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:02.200 being stocked by a stassquatch. But now that gives me question, is why 332 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:06.680 the hell didn't you get that on a camera, a dash cam or something. 333 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:11.720 Why wouldn't you flip that patrol Carrah, Again, you're in the moment, 334 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.599 who knows. I know, it's just it's like hindsight being what it 335 00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:18.759 is. I understand, right, But I don't know. But that's really 336 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:23.359 good point that you bring up on because in the hunter becomes a hunted by 337 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:30.079 small town monsters, that question is brought up individual witness that actually Boss something 338 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:36.599 was so enthralled in sock and take him back by what he's witnessing. Yeah, 339 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:40.079 the camera is right inside the door of his house, and he's on 340 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.839 his ports. He's got a gun, he's got a camera, he can 341 00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:48.880 record this stuff. But you're so focused in on the situation that's happening at 342 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.720 the time, those thoughts can cross your mind. Yeah, but you almost 343 00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:57.480 think with law enforcement you're a little bit more adept and trained to be ready 344 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:03.759 to deal with the unexpected in the moment, right. I mean, it's 345 00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:08.480 just you know, three times bigger than yours. I mean, I don't 346 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.880 know that my all bets are off. I don't know. But again, 347 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:17.000 we talk about putting yourself in that mental space. You know, it's hard 348 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.200 to discern and go ahead, bake. I'm sorry, but I think that 349 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:25.640 we're looking at this through a different lens because the generation we have now and 350 00:26:25.720 --> 00:26:30.200 the generation before, with the cell phone generation that and I do it. 351 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.680 I can't help it. I bring my phone everywhere. While I'm waiting on 352 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.400 something, while I'm doing something else, I'm looking at my phone. I'm 353 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.759 doing whatever. You know, I'm almost creating my own ADHD just with multitasking 354 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:45.400 with a cell phone. Well he's doing this show. Well, sometimes I 355 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.640 am, because sometimes we talk about something real quick and it kicks in. 356 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.880 I go, hey, I need to look at this, you know, 357 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:55.359 like what No, I quit playing that like years ago. I'm in the 358 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.960 you know way. The point, though, is is that with this, 359 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.920 with this, the way things are now, with the cell phones and the 360 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.559 iPads and all the other stuff, is a lot of people are quick to 361 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:10.720 pull that sucker out in video because they want their five seconds of fame, 362 00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:15.559 or they want proof that they were assaulted or demeaned or whatever. So I 363 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.519 mean, I could see in the near future that a lot of these sightings, 364 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:25.119 if there may be more video evidence, just because it's a natural reflex, 365 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.039 like a you know, if I can record somebody getting close to me, 366 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.279 then I feel safer, you know, like allowed to do that, 367 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:40.480 but you know, like getting misgendered at Arby's. How what you're talking about? 368 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.960 It's Mary. All right, guys, we got to take a break. 369 00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:51.200 We'll be right back. We'll be right back right after these spoke, 370 00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:55.759 if you got them. The next Small Town Monster's Kickstarter launches on February first 371 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:59.839 of twenty twenty four. Mark your calendars and join the campaign to be a 372 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.599 art of STM history. 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She's talking to a gorilla and we both just got sucked into this 387 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.519 sick right, So long story short, She's sitting there, she's talking to 388 00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:19.680 this gorilla, and one day she decides to get his little kitten, little 389 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:22.599 kitty cat right, And immediately I'm thinking, like, don't get it a 390 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:27.079 cat, it's a gorilla. It's gonna twist the thing's head off, throw 391 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.640 the body over there, play with the head for a while, sniffing it 392 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.160 and stuff. And then later it's gonna walk over, set the head down 393 00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.920 next to the body, and wonder why the whole thing's not getting up again 394 00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:44.440 because it's a fucking gorilla. Ah. Yes, the gentle, subtle sounds 395 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:51.039 of Bill Burr, this is the bigfoot bullhorn exclusively right here on the Sasquatch 396 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:57.039 Experience and I hope you're having a wonderful frozen Monday night. Speaking of Greta 397 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:03.680 thumbirds, Oh dash you. An ancient species of great ape was likely driven 398 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:08.599 to extinction hundreds of thousands of years ago when climate change put their favorite fruits 399 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:17.559 out of reach during dry seasons. According to scientists, the species Gigantopithecus Blackie, 400 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.519 which once lived in southern China, represents the largest Grade eight known to 401 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:27.799 science, standing approximately ten feet tall and weighing anywhere between six hundred and fifty 402 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:33.160 pounds to one thousand pounds. 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Thanks again for listening to 439 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:46.760 this edition of the Big Football Horn right here on the Sasquatch Experience, and 440 00:34:46.920 --> 00:35:07.880 as always, everybody, keep your toe in the mind. Thanks Vans for 441 00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:13.920 that segment. Appreciate that keep your toes in your own mud. I don't 442 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.719 want to be messing around with that shit, folks. SaaS watch Experience Sean 443 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:21.920 Fork of James Baker, Henry May and Vance Nesbit. We've been talking about 444 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:30.400 stalking Sasquatch tonight, witnesses either being followed and chased or harassed by these creatures 445 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.320 or jumping on school buses. So it's been an interesting show so far. 446 00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.320 Guys. I have a couple more stories that I've gotten on the web and 447 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.360 a video that Matt wanted me to play, but I want to make sure 448 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.840 you guys get your time in. What do you have? Oh? I 449 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.320 want to see the video. You don't want to see the video it's from 450 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:52.320 It's from a TV show. So we're going to test our copyright infringements here. 451 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:58.159 But you know me, I'm always willing to push the This is not 452 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:00.280 the video in what you are looking for. You're going to do when they 453 00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.639 come for you. Let me get this set up because I know people say 454 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:08.599 we're unprofessional and we do this. We can talk on this video too. 455 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:13.679 The following events occurred in the Cascade Mountains of Oregon in nineteen ninety seven. 456 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:15.960 At the time, I was fit. At the present time, I certainly 457 00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:22.480 am not. I feel you, brother, It's a diverse police force. 458 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:29.559 I was early getting off shift. It was one of the prettiest days I 459 00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:34.719 can ever remember seeing in the Cascade Mountains. It made me want to take 460 00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:42.800 a hike. Take a hike. I didn't get shirt of for two hours 461 00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:52.639 at least. It was taking a long time because of the terrain. Gearediasis 462 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.199 if he was washing his space, I hope not drinking that water. Decided 463 00:36:55.239 --> 00:37:00.880 to find a route that would get me into a more open area. That's 464 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:05.599 what she said. Oh. I looked through my compass to take that measurement. 465 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:15.800 I was totally shocked. I saw a person standing there, but it 466 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:27.800 was clearly not a human being. Yeah, this thing had a human like 467 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.119 shape to it and a clear place for the eyes and the nose. In 468 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:38.440 the mouth, but it wasn't a person. He had his eyes directly on 469 00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:49.960 me. The weirdest thing happened. I just involuntarily cocked my head to one 470 00:37:50.039 --> 00:38:00.960 side. He mimicked me exactly so smart. I instinctively reached around to get 471 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:12.400 my weapon. He ran away so fast it seemed impossible, certainly physically impossible 472 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:17.239 for a him. I was so curious that I had to check it out. 473 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:24.960 I carried on walking for a while, but I was feeling a little 474 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.400 nervous. I wouldn't have walked better. Rund Bee for me to get back 475 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:31.800 to the car before dark, and I didn't have a flashlight. Got pulled 476 00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:39.239 a gun on the dark. Figure around right, then stop it where it 477 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:47.199 is. It was as loud as some guns when they go off. It 478 00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:53.519 was a big tree. The snap came from my right. It was impossible 479 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:05.280 he'd circled me. The idea that I couldn't see him, that he could 480 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:13.400 see me made me very uncomfortable. That's just a prescription for an ambush. 481 00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:23.760 That's when I heard a second. He wasn't just watching or running away from 482 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:30.559 me. He was tracking. I was rushing down the hill, and all 483 00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:37.519 of a sudden, there is a deer standing in front of me. She 484 00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.159 snapped her head over in the direction that I'd been watching, where the snaps 485 00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:52.800 have been coming from. She smelled the air with her head up, smelling 486 00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:58.360 my drawer, and then she bolted in the opposite direction. As fast as 487 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:06.199 I've ever seen a deer move. I felt the hair on the back of 488 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:22.280 my neck go up. I knew I was being watched. I was convinced 489 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.480 that I was going to die, and that I was going to die in 490 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:31.119 a very bad way. When I finally saw my car, I was hearing 491 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:37.880 snaps very close, but they weren't frequent, and as I got real close 492 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:45.639 to the car, they stopped entirely. I remember now thinking those snaps have 493 00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:52.960 stopped because he's right behind them and he's going to grab me. Balls thoughts, 494 00:40:53.280 --> 00:41:00.840 there's thoughts, you know, there's a couple of ideas and recollection that 495 00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:07.679 comes back to me about these creatures recognize and understand what a firearm is. 496 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:14.480 I've heard that so many different times, maybe because of past encounters over years 497 00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:17.960 and years, that they understand that there's a boomstick and it can create death. 498 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.360 And as soon as it saw a boomstick, it took off and ran, 499 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:30.719 but once the individual out of its territory, and again, it seems 500 00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.519 like a lot of these cases, when it's chasing you out of the territory 501 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:39.639 back to the vehicle in which you got there, that's when they cease their 502 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.519 chase because they know that is an object that you're going to get in and 503 00:41:45.559 --> 00:41:50.800 you're going to vacate the area and a mission is accomplished. So those are 504 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.280 my two big takeaways from that type of story. Go ahead, Henry. 505 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.960 Well. One takeaway I have is then you never call it a say, 506 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.880 aasquatch or bigfoot. They just said it was a dark figure. They said 507 00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.360 it was some sort of a creature of some sort, but never said it 508 00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:15.239 was a sasquatquad Well, he said, dark hairy figure. Yeah, that's 509 00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:22.440 still you know, go ahead, Yeah, still it is absolutely that's a 510 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.159 crappier underwear moment. Yeah, I just I don't know. There seems to 511 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.840 be some sincerity in the story he's telling. You know, he's again you 512 00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.599 have to realize that he's probably in a room telling his story. Meanwhile, 513 00:42:36.639 --> 00:42:42.760 there's a production team out there creating this, you know this the drama around 514 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:46.280 behind it, so you know, we're getting thee And this is what I 515 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.480 was talking about at the beginning of the show, Like, when you see 516 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:52.760 it presented in this form, it becomes a lot more creepy, pasta ish 517 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.599 as opposed to a legitimate encounter, right, because that's how it's presented. 518 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.800 It doesn't have to be. And Baker, you made a good point there 519 00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:06.719 in the chat addited version. You know at that point you're now with the 520 00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:10.280 mercy of a production company that's going to cut up your story and just add 521 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:15.840 music to it, right, get more dramatic. Sure, of course, 522 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.639 to the end of the day, if you take that as a core story, 523 00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:23.920 that's a pretty that's a pretty scary story. Go ahead. But then 524 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:28.960 again you asked the question of is what is the value to him to tell 525 00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.199 that story to people? Like he used to be a police officer, I'm 526 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:36.800 assessin or you know, and he liked to hike and stuff like that, 527 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:42.639 like really honestly, like he's really honest about It's like when I wasn't fat 528 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.360 and old, I used to walk around a lot and at one time I 529 00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:50.760 saw something and then it changed how I do things, Which maybe that's why 530 00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.159 I got fat and old, because he stopped going as whats But like the 531 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:59.320 fact is, it's like there's no value of him telling that story to a 532 00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:02.280 bunch of people because it just makes him look like, Hey, do you 533 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.719 hear Bob, did you hear don knots the cop over there? You know 534 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:10.719 he's got you know, he saw a sasquatch. Yeah, Barney Fife saw 535 00:44:10.719 --> 00:44:14.320 bigfoot out in the wood last Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much. 536 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.280 I couldn't think of the name Barney Fife. Yeah. Well, he didn't 537 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:22.039 take a flashlight, you know, well, he was supposedly it was a 538 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.280 beautiful clear day. He didn't expect to be out there that long. But 539 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.960 then he says he hiked for two hours. I'm assessing that it was two 540 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.199 hours back to his car, unless he was making a circle. But like, 541 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.519 like he had said, he'd hiked that area before and not a problem 542 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.119 this particular time. You know, always make sure you're prepared, folks. 543 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.480 Make sure he pulled his compass out. That's what it was, something that 544 00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:49.880 the compass was interesting, you know, I don't know the story was. 545 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.960 Yeah, I'm sure there was a reason Matt wanted to share it. I 546 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:54.440 wish he would have gave me his notes so I could have read his you 547 00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.519 know process behind why that particular video. But I think it does go into 548 00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.480 some good behavioral pieces, you know, like you identified it, pulled the 549 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:06.679 gun out on it, and it for some reason recognized that as threat behavior 550 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:10.119 and left. But then why did it come back? Probably to get the 551 00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.519 individual out of its living room, right, And then we go back to 552 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.639 you know stories we've heard of other places like we can go back. I 553 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.360 mentioned it last week. We're going to talk about it again in the future. 554 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.840 Aw Oklahoma, that situation where they're you know, shooting and you know, 555 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:31.119 potentially killing these these things that are attacking the homestead, and they still 556 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:37.000 keep coming back. Right, So again, you know, we talk about 557 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.519 a learned behavior. We identify the boomstick as you and Ash like to call 558 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:43.840 it, and they know that's a bad thing, doesn't stop them from coming 559 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.920 back, right, No, I think it's taking on a different tactic. 560 00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:55.360 Whatever the theory is in these creatures, intelligence level on warfare, on how 561 00:45:55.440 --> 00:46:00.360 to deal with a situation like that, who to say, you know, 562 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:06.920 I don't want to draw too many conclusions to other creatures that are able to 563 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.840 communicate, you know, defensive modes, but you know, crows are able 564 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:17.119 to teach their young what specific items are dangerous. But how are they able 565 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.480 to do that? And maybe Bigfoot has that ability too, to pass this 566 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:28.480 knowledge down through the years that you know, these other bipedal creatures, they 567 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.280 have this thing that they can pull out and it can hurt or kill. 568 00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:36.440 Well, they have ways, there's forms of communication they have that we don't 569 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:39.440 utilize. And then of course, you know with the Sasquatch, you know 570 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:45.000 we've heard bits and snippets of their language, if that's what it truly is 571 00:46:45.039 --> 00:46:50.519 from Ron moorehead vocalizations, whatever they mean. I'm sure that's a way for 572 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.239 them to convey information out to somebody. And as we go back to a 573 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:58.159 police officer there, you know, he felt like he was getting set up 574 00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.199 for ambush behavior, right, an ambush tactic. You talked about that thing 575 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:06.079 changing tactics, Well, you know, right then and there he kind of 576 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:12.440 felt it. I think we have to look as most cryptids that we believe 577 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:17.360 exist have to have a measure of intelligence. Otherwise we'd find them like we 578 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:22.039 do baar deer and bunnies, they'd be everywhere, you know, there'd be 579 00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:28.719 no like. At some point they must have recognized that we were able to, 580 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:32.559 you know, be a threat to them not decide to talk to us 581 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:37.679 any further. Because if you look at the ancient stories the Native Americans, 582 00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:42.119 some of the other ones, even the cavemen, they had pictures of things 583 00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:46.559 that seemed like agent aliens, were hairy creatures. And the thing is is 584 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:52.639 that though at one point there must have been a collective idea to say these 585 00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:58.679 things are these these these things are overpower or overpopulating us. We do not 586 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:02.599 want to be just exterminated by it. It seems to be afraid of us 587 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:07.320 now while we back away and kind of hide in the woods, because otherwise, 588 00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.840 if it's an unintelligent creature, like I've said multiple times, then we 589 00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:15.639 would hit them in the streets like bear. You know, there'd be no 590 00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:19.400 question where a body was or anything else, because there has to be an 591 00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:25.559 intelligence somewhere to allow it to not be recognized compared to you know, compared 592 00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:30.880 to an animal animal that would if I put out a half broad chicken and 593 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.719 put a camera over it, I'm gonna catch I'm gonna catch twenty animals grabbing 594 00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.400 it. And they don't care. They don't care cameras there, they don't 595 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.679 care that I saw them do it. But if this creature exists, then 596 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:45.039 it's intelligent, right, you know? Well there's a lot another by that, 597 00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.360 right. I have another one here for us guys. This one is 598 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:53.599 from Fantoms and Monsters. January fifth, twenty twenty four. Elk hunter paralleled 599 00:48:53.599 --> 00:49:00.400 and stalked by possible bigfoot near Mount Saint Helen's. A military vet in his 600 00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:04.400 back home in Washington and hunting elk near Mount Saint Helen's. He hears some 601 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:08.559 walking in the woods, eventually realizing that at least one bigfoot is paralleling him, 602 00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:13.559 and the story goes as follows. This experience happened to me after I 603 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.719 left the military. I was hunting near Mount Saint Helen's, Washington. This 604 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:20.639 is my first trip back and I wanted to get in some elk hunting. 605 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.320 I was so excited to be back home and able to go hunting, which 606 00:49:23.360 --> 00:49:27.719 I love. My hunting partner was not able to go with me on this 607 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.599 trip, so I was going to make a solo trip, which I've done 608 00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.559 many times before. I knew the area well enough and was prepared for what 609 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.480 it would present. I always take at least three days worth of provisions when 610 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:42.880 hunting and survival gear in the way of extra clothing, a poncho, matches, 611 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:46.280 firestarter, and other essential items in my backpack. I know that many 612 00:49:46.320 --> 00:49:51.239 do not take such precautions when hunting, but I do because once while hunting 613 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:53.880 I got turned around so bad. I spent three days in the woods wishing 614 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:58.519 I had something with me other than my gun, knife and what I was 615 00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:02.199 wearing on my back. On this trip, I was going to hunt a 616 00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:07.320 power transmission line. Right away, I parked on the logging road and walked 617 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.000 about a mile to where I would sit on top of a ridge where I 618 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:13.440 would be able to watch both sides. It allowed me to be able to 619 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.519 have a clear shot for over four hundred yards in either direction. I had 620 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:22.199 taken several elk in the same location in various seasons over the years before entering 621 00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:25.760 the service. I walked in before the light and reached the spot where I 622 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:30.519 intended to hunt before the sun came up. I was there all day and 623 00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:34.199 did not see a thing. This was highly unusual, as every other time 624 00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.559 I had chosen this location I always saw something. It was also so it 625 00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:42.199 was also more quiet than I remember. For some reason, I also had 626 00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.400 the feeling of being watched, but thought it was nothing. About an hour 627 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:49.480 before dark and close to when I would have to leave, I started to 628 00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.239 hear movement to the right in the woods. It was not the unusual It 629 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.760 was not the usual sound you hear from an animal, more like someone walking 630 00:50:55.920 --> 00:51:00.639 in the woods. I thought that maybe someone else was hunting in this area. 631 00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:02.440 I took note to be careful and not to shoot in that direction. 632 00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.840 Shut an elk, walk out. I never saw anyone else, but kept 633 00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:09.159 having that feeling I was being watched. It's just a feeling I could not 634 00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:13.880 shake. When I got up to leave, I yelled over and said, 635 00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.719 I'm coming out. For God's sakes, don't shoot. I said, this 636 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.360 is more of a joke. No one said anything, and there was no 637 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.360 more movement from that direction. I once again yelled a little louder, I'm 638 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.079 coming up, Please don't shoot. I started walking towards the dirt road and 639 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:31.079 wandered back and forth between transmission power lines. I thought it was funny that 640 00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:36.440 whoever it was didn't call back to say they had heard me. I got 641 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.559 to the road and started back to my car, thinking that whoever it was 642 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.840 didn't want to make any noise to scare any animals, as it was not 643 00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:47.039 quite dark enough to stop hunting. But for me, I felt the urge 644 00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:51.480 to leave. As I moved down the road towards my car, the sound 645 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.119 of walking in the woods started again off to my right, just inside the 646 00:51:54.159 --> 00:52:00.360 tree line. I thought that maybe whoever it was had decided to walk out 647 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.239 with me. Whoever it was did not come out of the woods, but 648 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.840 just kept paralleling me. I'd stop and they'd stop. This is beginning to 649 00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.239 creep me out, so I asked them to come out where I could see 650 00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:15.280 them. There is no reply. In a louder voice, I said, 651 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.519 enough's enough, no more games. Get your ass out here so I can 652 00:52:17.599 --> 00:52:22.360 see you again. There was no reply. I took my gun off my 653 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:27.199 shoulder and locked around into the chamber, keeping the gun pointed in the direction 654 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:30.320 of the area while I heard the walking, but with my safety on, 655 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:34.679 I continued to walk to my car. When I stopped, it stopped. 656 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:37.920 I became worried that maybe this was not human. I began to think that 657 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:42.199 maybe this might be a bigfoot. I was also aware that there may be 658 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.840 another one on the left side of me. I started to watch all around 659 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.079 me. After all, I would rather be safe than sorry. I still 660 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.639 had quite a way to go to get to my car and knew it would 661 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.599 be dark by the time I got there. I started a jog so I 662 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:58.360 could possibly get there before it was totally dark. The thing to my right 663 00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.559 started keeping pace with me. I could hear breaking limbs in what sounded like 664 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.719 small trees as it kept pace with me. By this time, I knew 665 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.079 it was not a human being, and I was almost sure it was a 666 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:12.199 bigfoot. I made it to my car without ever seeing what it was, 667 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.920 but I wasted no time in putting things away. I simply threw my things 668 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.440 in the car and got out of there as fast as I could. Without 669 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.719 ever seeing it, I could tell you it was not a bear, cougar, 670 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.360 bobcat, or anything else that I've experienced in the woods. I cannot 671 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:30.199 say for sure it was a bigfoot because of an experience years previous. I'm 672 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:36.199 more positive than not it was so somewhere along the line he had an experience 673 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.800 before that. That's a pretty intense situation, right And you know, as 674 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.639 we talk about the hunters and the things they experience, and we'll get into 675 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.320 that in another episode, and more of that because at a case I investigated 676 00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:54.559 in twenty sixteen where the hunter I, you know, had a visual encounter. 677 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.960 I don't know, there's just something more about it when a hunter gets 678 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:01.719 spoop, you know, because they are armed, they are out in a 679 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:06.360 position, they're usually used to their surroundings. I don't know, guys, 680 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.360 what are your thoughts. Yeah, well, if you have a deer tree 681 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.000 stand, i'd be putting that thing about forty feet up in a tree instead 682 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:21.960 of six. But I think that, but I think that it goes true 683 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.199 to what we've said a long time ago. Is though, as he's out 684 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:29.360 in an area where there is game, he's out there for a reason. 685 00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.719 That reconciles that the creature could be out there for a reason. They like 686 00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:37.880 them too. They just don't use a gun, which scares me more. 687 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.159 Break that neck and down they go go ahead. Henry, Well, it's 688 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:51.320 interesting that these individuals, these individuals that you were talking about, Sean, 689 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:57.280 did not see what was paralleling. Now. Now, the lady did not 690 00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.400 make any exceptions as to what it was. But the guy, I said, 691 00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:04.440 yeah, maybe be a sasquatch. Which is interesting because you know, 692 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.559 I say, now, the only other thing it might have been with another 693 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.280 person, and who would have known that guy was going to be out there? 694 00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.519 Right? And you know when I asked the lady way back then, 695 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.360 why you know she reported it to me. She just felt like there was 696 00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:22.480 no other explanation after she started, you know, looking around into what it 697 00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.480 could potentially be. You know, she never had that experience with a bear. 698 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.920 She doubted it was another person just because of how it was keeping pace 699 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:30.719 with her. And again, it's the same thing that's said in that story, 700 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.119 keeping pace. You know, it managed to keep up with them, 701 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:39.599 and on foot, that's not so terrifying. But when you're on a bicycle, 702 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:43.159 it's able to keep up with you, you know, that's a different 703 00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:46.960 story, right. Yeah. I've heard of a case too where a woman 704 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:52.000 made this report of the same thing. She was in her car on a 705 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:57.599 gravel road, so she wasn't really driving that fast on a gravel road, 706 00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:04.440 and this thing was paralleling her at the same speed. So again, I 707 00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:08.039 don't know what the point is behind that, other than escorting you out of 708 00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:12.800 their area. That's the only thing I can see. You would think that 709 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:15.000 if it wanted to be a lot more violent and had plenty of opportunities to 710 00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:20.679 do so in that stalking behavior, unless it's putting itself into position to learn 711 00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:24.760 before it strikes. Well, that's a good point too. Didn't think of 712 00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.599 it that way. Well, we don't want to think about it that way. 713 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:31.039 We don't want to think that we can become the hunted, right And 714 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:36.599 you know, we pride ourselves as being the top of the food chain, 715 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.159 right, you know, and we're only top of the food chain because we 716 00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:43.880 have you know, opposable thumbs, the ability to fashion weapons, and we 717 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:49.679 have boomsticks and ovens, and yeah, I know, honestly, is something 718 00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.639 evolving parallel to us that may not be as sophisticated but may have far with 719 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:57.360 greater strength. That's a little bit intimidating. And you know, back to 720 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:01.320 the story you shared in the news break with Gigantopithecus dying out. You know, 721 00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:05.320 first of all, we don't know that Bigfoot is Gigantipithecus. No, 722 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.280 you know, we've always had that assumption that it's within that lineage, but 723 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:13.079 there are many people that think it followed more along the lines of a paranthepus 724 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.239 or not as massive as Giganto. And we don't know why Giganto died. 725 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.960 We assume it died, but if it was covergent with the Neanderthal, they 726 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.480 also think the Neanderthal killed it out right because it and you know, with 727 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:34.119 a theory that I brought up. You know, China and its human population 728 00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:42.000 is by far much older than the human population in lower forty eight states of 729 00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:47.559 the United States. And why would it have been only in China that Gigantipithecus 730 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:52.960 would have existed? Well, why not in the lower forty eight. Well, 731 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:58.440 they say that the human population wasn't nearly as expansive as it is in 732 00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:01.639 China at that time. So we have to be very clear about something. 733 00:58:01.719 --> 00:58:06.239 Vance. We don't have full fossil of gigante. All we found is a 734 00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.480 partial jawbone and some teeth. We never found anything else, right, Yeah, 735 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:15.639 and we haven't found anything else here. But the environment may have been 736 00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:21.599 more suitable here in the lower forty eight where all that evidence would have been 737 00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:29.119 consumed by earth or other rodents. Sure, porcupine whatever, Yeah, no, 738 00:58:29.320 --> 00:58:35.239 understandable. Not the greatest environment for fossilization. We'll put it to you 739 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.920 that way. Just you know, we make a lot of assumptions on a 740 00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.039 creature. We've only have a handful of teeth and a jawbone from that's my 741 00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.519 point. I'm trying to right right. Well, guys, we've hit that 742 00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.920 time again. Any final thoughts from you all before we beat out for the 743 00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:55.239 night. Ooh wow, I'm glad you used out who That was close. 744 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:01.679 Now we can go on with this subject, you know, stalked by Sasquatch 745 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:07.840 probably for hours and hours and hours on end, because this is only just 746 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.920 a tiny sliver the top of the iceberg of the whole subject, because there's 747 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.639 so many stories, including personal stories, that we can all you know, 748 00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:22.280 share, and we haven't even gotten into that right. So yeah, I 749 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.239 would like to continue with this subject matter at some point, but Sean and 750 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:30.320 myself had a conversation earlier today. We got some great shows coming up in 751 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:36.440 the near future that we'll be looking forward to with some great guests, So 752 00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:40.880 stay with us, stay tuned, Henry Baker, anything else. Thank you, 753 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:44.400 Steve, Thanks for tuning in to night Buddy. Yeah, thanks, 754 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.599 see Baker, say the word, Henry, Let's get her home. Take 755 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:52.079 us out, buddy. You'll be good, be good at We'll see you 756 00:59:52.159 --> 01:00:01.559 next week. Folks. Keep on squatching. You've been listening to Sasquatch Experience. 757 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:07.119 Please rate interview where this podcast has been consumed. 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