What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season two, episode seventy
eight of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler, joined by Will Updike.
Adam Oslin could not make it, he would love to be here.
We know that he probably has a dip that he's eating right now. To
give us some updates on next week. We are joined by Justin Russo.
Today, yet again Justin, always good for you to be here. We're
gonna be talking pro cod player, which we just found out, Yes,
former pro Call of Duty player just kind out moments ago. Yeah. Thanks,
okay, but this is a long time ago. This isn't like you
know, two years ago. No, man, the people gotta know.
This is a cod for the first Modern Warfare Oh damn okay, and also
Modern war for two like that that e. My younger brother played Modern Warfare
two professionally as well. It was not very fun to play against him when
we would hang out. We're gonna talk a bunch about Call of Duty later,
as well as some dips. We have our first guest who brought a
dip, which Russo. We applaud you for Brett the new ground man.
Yeah, I slaved over it. All day by running to the store.
Sure a new standard and this he buddy, we're talking the Paul George stalemate.
Russo had a great piece on his sub stack if you should go check
that out about some Paul George leverag which we're going to talk about here.
Then we're gonna talk Jeff Van Gundy being lead assistant, and then we're talking
our dips, which I'm very excited about because I finally have a good one.
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We have a new season starting next week. Dedicated listeners will know that
the season ends with the draft. For some reason, we set that arbitrarily,
So season two coming to a close. Before we get into the good
stuff, will justin, how are you guys doing. We'll start with the
guest rus So, how are you doing during this kind of weird Clippers news
time. Well, I'm doing all right. I mean, like we were
discussing before we came on the air, like I've just been playing a lot
of football manager and it's a great way to disconnect from reality, just kind
of focus on the mundane crap that you know you find fascinating. So that's
where I'm at right now. I'm on the longest coaching career I've ever done
in football manager, where I'm I think I'm twelve years into it now.
Yeah, I'm getting there. So you know, do you use your real
name or do you use a fun fake name in Football Manager? I use
my dog's nickname. Oh that's good, Okay, that's Will. How are
you decided to make it fun? That's yeah, Will? How are you
doing this? Heat? How is everything? I'm doing great. It's actually
pretty warm in my apartment, so I look a little dewey on the stream.
If you're watching this on YouTube dot com slash Acklipers podcast, where you
should be, you may notice. You may not, but I'm doing I'm
doing great. Man. I'm excited about my dip, I'm excited about life.
I'm most excited about our guests though. Yes, this is a great
time. We always love having our favorite Adam's favorite French Canadian reporter Justin Rousseau
on the pod. Let's get right into it. There was a bunch of
I don't know if news is the right word surrounding Paul George the quote.
Yes, there were a bunch of Paul George quotes. Sham's reported that the
seventy six ers interest in PG has waned. I'm not sure I totally believe
that all the way, but yeah, I don't know, do we start
with the quote, because like the quotes sent people into a frenzy. Will
and I got a very angry call from Joseph Rya Award who needed to call
us of ramp about it. But I don't know. For those of you
who missed it, PG had some kind of the same thing we've seen with
PG, right, Will, where it's like things there's not accountability, and
there's always kind of things after the fact that seem to have played a very
large issue in him playing. How some people think someone who's going to be
the sixth highest paid player in the league, the Doc Rivers are of passing
the buck. I mean, yeah, The main one he talked about was
James Harden trade. He talked about how, you know, losing those power
forwards was difficult for depth, which we I think we can all agree with
right that that is fair, of course, Yeah, but then he said
that he had to do that made him and Kauhi have to do some of
the dirty work. And it's like, well, okay, you are the
highest paid player on the team. You're also a wing, dude, Like,
you're not like a twenty five to thirty point per game score. You're
gonna be expected to have to play defense and rebound. Like, I don't
like, what do you want? Yeah, we just saw a team led
by two wings who do those things have a very good season. Obviously,
bit different team construction. I don't know, Russo, where were you at
with all of these quotes. You weren't as incendiary as perhaps myself was on
Twitter, but it rubbed some fans the wrong way because he is going through
a bit of a contract. I don't know if dispute is the right word.
That feels intense, but negotiations. His comments came from a place where
I think he believes he's being honest, which is great. I think I
don't think athletes should be ridiculed for at least being open and honest about how
they feel and how they view situations. If you have zero self awareness,
though I mean to be at the highest level, you also have to have
zero self awareness in whatever field you're in, because that's what got you there,
great couch. So I mean, I do think there is a form
of delusion there, but all great athletes have that because that's why they're at
where they're at. But the same time, I kind of took his comments
as a guy who still didn't know what went wrong, which I mean it's
fair because I also don't think a lot of the team knows what went wrong.
Yeah, I mean, well, kaw I got hurt and then everything
snowballed from there. I didn't really take his comments as I don't think he
went into his comments trying to take shots at people. I could see why
people took it that he did take shots at people, but I don't think
that's how he meant it. I don't think that I don't like specifically the
James stuff. I don't think he meant it in a way that was against
James. But I also do have a problem, so to speak. I
guess with like he has waffled throughout his time here about what he really wants
and what he thinks he can do and shouldn't do. And that's fine,
I mean, it is what it is, but I it's not great for
him to go on the air and say these things, But also, what
are you going to do? I mean, he's trying to negotiate him public
and behind the scenes, and you know, if even one team gives him
what he's looking for, he did his job, you know, and his
agent did his job, and you know that's all he's looking for is his
payday. And that's fine. I supported him. I support him getting the
most money possible. I think it's weird when people are ridicule athletes for not
taking less. You know, there's a finite amount of time they have left
in the games. PG specifically has that with his history too. He's very
conscious of how things can change correct basketball player's life. And I look at
it, as you know, I don't think it's a negative that he's looking
for all this money. I do think there is a great deal of from
the other side, which is, why do you deserve that much money?
And why should we handicap ourselves to you? And at this you know,
at the time that I wrote the article, it was still as it has
been, which is they're not caving and he's not caving, and it's two
sides who were just locked in a stalemate. And obviously things change. I
mean things change day to day, hour to hour. You know, as
as the quote goes, the price today was not the price yesterday, So
you know, things things change. I wouldn't be shocked if, you know,
a day or two from now, we find out that they they came
to an agreement on a full max extension because maybe they got paint, maybe
they feel they're painted into a corner. And I wouldn't be surprised if he
returns on three poet fifty or something thereabouts. And I wouldn't be surprised if
he leaves. I think, I think it's all up in the air.
Is not surprised by ship, y'all. I'm ready. I've been around this
team and seen doomsday p prapper bro. I've been around sports long enough to
not be surprised by much at this stage, especially with free agency. So
that's fair. And the leverage thing is so interesting because you're your piece outlined
very well how Kawi took the deal he took, which was good for Kawhi.
That does hamstring Paul George's leverage a little bit when you say, oh,
well, this guy who's just as good and just as important, if
not more, on the team just took less money in less years, you're
immediately compared to that if you're Paul George, which is a bit unfair.
I can understand him having a gripe with that. I'm wondering how the seventy
six ers report it went from Paul George seemingly having a lot of leverage too
not as much, maybe kind of by a substantial amount. Will How do
you feel about that now? I mean it just depends because like, are
the seventy six ers just putting that out because they also don't want to pay
max, but they would pay more or give more years or something like that,
because that is still definitely on the table somebody is. I do think
that one team, like there's a couple of teams out there that could definitely
talk themselves into giving Paul George a MAX. I think, like, really,
it's besides the point in like, we have still nine more days to
really like to see what's if it gets to that point, because I think
you know, if you're a Clippers fan, you know your hope is for
some sort of like opt in in trade or something like that, which seems
that unlikely at this juncture. But if there is MAX money from another team
out there, you know, I don't see at that point like the Clipper
is getting anything for Paul George. And I think as like soured as as
we all have kind of been on this experience. Like I said before,
I mean from a talent perspective, they're not going to do better than Paul
George. Anything that they get back in any sort of trade is going to
be a downrade. So's it's really a rock and a hard place, right
Like I understand the viewpoint of not giving a thirty four year old man who's
kind of had his up and ups and downs and doesn't seem to understand his
role a max contract, But if you could get him into that range three
for one fifty or whatever, what better move are you? Like? What
else do you really have in the arsenal if you're the Clippers without giving way
the one pick that you can trade and even and even then even if you
give that up, like you know, the return is at best a lateral
move. I think, like at like optimistically it's at best a lateral move
and likely still somewhat of the downgrade. And whatever new player they get is
coming into a system that is pretty well established here on the Clippers, right,
I think the point every year, how like it's not that established.
Well that's I guess like ty LeWitt's like himself. It's like that'd be a
difficult environment to go into as the one B because whoever they're trading for is
going to be the one B. It's like, how I don't know,
like Kawhi if if Paul George doesn't come back, some people think Kawhi could
be gone, which I don't know. I think you might be too old
and not want to deal with a new thing. Like much like Russo said,
I guess nothing would surprise me with kawhi Yah. Well yeah, especially
with Kawhi. But at the same time, like I just don't really see
the incentive for him. He's got two championships, two finals MVPs. Not
saying that he doesn't want to win, because I mean, obviously he's a
pro athlete at the highest level. All he wants to do is win,
But I guess, I guess I just feel like he's in a pretty good
situation right now, and I don't know that he'd be willing to give that
up to go to a team just for a shot at a championship. Yeah,
I don't think he likes hassle. I think he's one of I think
he's number one on my list of professional athletes who don't like hassle. And
that's the other part in here Russo too. It's like, as annoying as
some people might find Paul George's quotes, they can't just let him walk.
That is so far from the Clipper's best interests. I think in this scenario,
it does help him with the apron, but you're not getting anybody.
Yeah, if they if they lose him for nothing, I kind of think
that's the sign of the reboot, so to speak, the soft lunch,
the sat kind of what they did after Chris left, which is, yeah,
excuse yeah, Chris Paul try where they had to pivot several times,
and you know, maybe that's what happens. I don't think it's a coincidence.
I'm not saying he's going to get traded, but I don't think it's
a coincidence that Kawi signed his new deal to perfectly align with the startup free
agency, so to speak, where he would then be trade eligible. I
I don't think that's a coincidence, you know, I mean, it could
be It could be just like, oh, this is the day that we
just came to an agreement. Like that could be the thing. But I
don't I'm I guess naive enough to think that there's a scenario where he could
be gone if PG doesn't return. I could see Kawi just be and like,
look, there's nothing that you're going to bring in that's gonna be a
pequal or at least comparable value on the court. Why do I want to
stay? You know? And then I could see them having to pivot.
So you know, that's one thing the Philly stuff where they put up like
the report got put out by by shams that you know, Philly's pause pivoting
chip on cam Will, chip on Mike Bro. That might be our first
chip time out. Oh oh no, wow, got caught. Oh for
those of you not watching, Will just took himself off screen because he ate
a chip too out into the mic. First one, dude, if Adam
was here, he would lose his mind. I'm so happy he's not here.
Do we do we call that caught? He got his hand caught in
the chippy jar And now it's funny, he's just maw and some chips.
Uh, right, Russo you're you're good. That was actually great with the
Philly thing. I know, if you are trying to read it is like
I saw some people say, well, clearly the PG comments on the podcast,
like Philly, oh yeah, no, I'm sorry, You're not gonna
stop pursuing a guy just because he says one thing that's not happening. People
said a lot worse and gotten a lot more money. I there's several ways
you can look at it, right. It could just be nothing. It
could just be Philly saying we're out and they're not really out. It could
be Philly worried about tampering charges, which they've already been in with ones because
that yeah, technically players can't tamper want a player to player. But it
also wasn't great optics on that ESPN pregame, which ESPN personally, I kind
of think they set PG up a little bit too poorly with that. That
was that was insane. They know what they were doing. It could just
be that PG told them I'm not interested. It could be they Philly found
out the Clipper are gonna give him what he wants. It could be that
PG told them, hey, I'm gonna get traded and it's not to you
and just moved on. So it could be a myriad of things. It
could be something, it could be nothing. That's the nature of this time
of year. I do think it's interesting the first domino fell, which was
the Alex Frusso dial and then yeah, and then Malik Monk got his contract,
which and that's so happy for Milake Monk, just contract for him to
get. And so I look at it like now you're seeing some teams already
make their moves, and I wonder where it goes from here, as like,
you know, just in phases, because that's how it works in the
NBA. You know, there could be a trade that happens on Draft Night
that also alters the league to some other degree. And you know, but
on the PG front, I his comments weren't or the comments on the podcast
weren't great. But I don't think it's like the end all be all and
it's nothing new exactly right, Like it's not like we we thought that he
was a guy who was like a championship or bust guy. He's kind of
been laying the groundwork as someone through his quotes who isn't I don't know how
to word this because we know that these guys want to win, right,
we know that that is obviously a driving factor in what they're doing. But
and not that it doesn't matter. It's this is what's so difficult about PG
is you're like, dude, I believe and know that you want to win.
But when you say, like, it's not about chasing a championship,
it's about playing the right way, You're just kind of like, what,
how else are we supposed to take this? He seems like a bigger than
the game kind of guy, like, which is fine. There's a lot
of athletes like that, Like ka, why is like that to a larger
degree, Like there's other stuff that matters too. Yeah, that's totally justifiable
and fine. I just it just it's it's kind of like the icing on
the cake, where it's the last couple of months just haven't been great as
far as like optics for him, and then that happened. I think people
just took it to another degree and they're just fed up with him, which
I understand to some degree. I don't know what happens with him. You
know, like I've wrote the other day, you know, I've heard that
they're you know, stuck with the offer that they have, and he wants
what he wants. But like I said, anything anything happens on a day
to day basis when it comes to negotiations, and you know, if we
get to June twenty ninth and you know, there's no movement, that's when
I think you should get an idea of what might happen if you get to
that date and there's and there's nothing that's come out yet. I mean,
you know, if he leaves, they're you know, talent wise, they're
not going to get close to that level. But I also don't think I
don't think they've I thought that's the worst thing, right, I mean,
you relief? When do we bring Will back? By the way, we
haven't figured out okay, yeah, yeah, I wasn't sure when I could
come out of it. I don't know how long the chips. I wasn't
sure. If I and I agree with Justin, I think the uh I
think the Philadelphia thing is completely unrelated to the podcasting thing. I ask.
I mean, it's just it's just poor coincidence. You know. The big
issue with uh PG is like the lack of accountability, and that's one of
those things though that has kind of followed him from every place. This isn't
exclusively the Clippers. This shouldn't be new news to fans or anybody like that.
But yeah, I just think that if he doesn't opt in to that
deal on July ninth, I don't think that. I just would be very
surprised if the trade is in the works. Yeah, and it's we're just
at such a stalemate, like it's like one of it reminds me of the
DeAndre Jordan vibes a little bit. I have a fun thing about that,
actually fun as though the Jerry news of his passing, which sucks obviously,
like Jerry was well said, Yeah, I mean that's pretty hot take for
so I appreciate it. Jerry one of the best people I've ever interacted with.
Just never. I don't know if I can cuss on on air,
but yeah, go for it. Man didn't bullshit you if you asked him
a question, which was nice. He just told you exactly what he thought.
I remember a season ticket holder event in twenty eighteen, the summer that
DeAndre was a free agent, and this was the UH it had just ended
the first year after like Pat had arrived, and he played eleven games that
year, and he got the microfracture certain end of the season, and there
was a season take a holder event. It's some I don't remember what auditorium
it was, but it was some theater and he keep, uh he being
Jerry comes up to talk and obviously people are excited, and he talks about
the offer that they made DeAndre Jordan, which I believe at the time was
two years and twenty million uh for for the deal, and which he I
believe it was two twenty I believe. I'm not one hundred cent certain,
man, but Jerry change jesus. Yeah. Well, Jerry said, you
know that we made what we feel as a competitive and fair offer, and
you know he didn't. He didn't take it, which is which which was
his right completely is right. DeAndre then went and signed with Dallas for the
one twenty that he got the one year twenty million I believe. But Jerry
had a quote which I put out in a tweet during the finals, which
is he said, uh, what's what's right is not always popular, and
what's popular is not all he's right, And I kind of wonder, I'm
not saying that's the same hard line that they're taking right now. I kind
of wonder if that's just where they're at, which is, yeah, it
be unpopular to lose this guy who's been here for five years. You know,
has has for the most I mean, he's played more games than Kawhi,
but obviously Kawhi missed the year. But you know he is here,
he is playing, He's giving you good production, good minutes. He is
valuable, very valuable. He's from the area. I think they're not I
think they realize it would be very unpopular to lose him. But I'm interested
if they think that it might not be that it might be the right move,
just because you know, yes, you are going to do a new
arena, and if you don't have a good team in a new arena,
who's gonna come and to watch your games. It's a tough thing to realize.
But I also think it could be a case where they look at it
and go, the team might not be good enough if he leaves, but
we are able to pivot out of the second aid. We then have moves
that we could do that get under the luxury tax, because they are a
repeater tax team, and if they get under the luxury tax, they can
reset it and then kind of go from there going forward to get other other
players, other pieces things like that. Yeah, it's just such a tough
position because of Paul George's age and just like the limited amount of assets because
seeing him walk for nothing, you know, you're you're just in a you're
in a worse place. You have a little bit more cap room, but
it doesn't really you know, nothing in a way that can seriously move the
needle. So in terms of resets, it's a hard reset in terms of
like what built the team and talent wise and uh, you know, like
what losing I guess thirty three percent of your payroll. But it's it's it's
not it's in no way an easy reset because you can't do much on the
fly other than you know, like hopefully be able to to shit enough salary
to get the m L League and you can get some role some different role
players that you think can maybe fill things out a little bit better around what
you have left. But it is like the most in between in between stations
of rebuilds. If they do end up having to go that route, like
there's just not there's not a clear end light of a tunnel for kind of
years. And you know, in the in the context of having like a
brand new stadium and already being the little brother team, you can understand,
you know, like the issue financially, but the you know, the flip
side of it is given anything once and then you're committed even longer to a
team that, like man Paul George I think probably has two still like really
good seasons left in him. But at thirty eight, you know, like
that's that's a tough road. That's that's a tough road to help. Yeah,
they it's not an enviable position a lot of teams would like to find
themselves in. But I also I do think it's a very interesting situation to
be in. From like how to fix it standpoint, so to speak,
It's like there are there are ways around it. So I'm interested in seeing
kind of what they do. You know, I'm often reminded of like the
phrase, like the first step to fixing a problem is realizing you have one.
And they do have a problem, and they're gonna have a problem regardless
whether or not they give them a new deal or they don't. They just
have to pick what path they want to go down. It's what Honestly,
it might just come down to whatever path they think is the is the best
way out of it, because you know, I don't think it's crazy that
they get under the second apron in the next couple of years. Even with
Paul George on a max contract for four years, the CAP's going up enough,
yeah, that if you make other moves, you could conceivably get under
it, and then you're not into, you know, the multi year penalties
of the second apron. So you know, because I mean, like you
look at the salary cap that's projected. I say projected because obviously we didn't
know. It's projected to go up by about thirty million over the next two
years. And if you add thirty million to the salary cap, you're making
a move here and there. You're kind of able to navigate under it,
at least under the second apron, because the second apron in twenty six twenty
seven I believe, is like around two hundred and twenty five million projected wise.
And you put PG to the deal, and you put James to a
deal, obviously eats up a large portion, same with Kawhi, but you
know, it's there is some leeway that you can kind of work to get
under So maybe that's an approach for them. It's all no one knows,
obviously besides themselves in PG. But I do find it fascinating from the standpoint
of like roster building and trying to figure out how to keep your team competitive
if he's not here, and also how to keep your team competitive if he
is here. We'll try. I did not hit the second aprint every year,
yeah, because Balmer is worried about that tax. It does turn,
yeah a lot more expensive if you start hitting some of those tax numbers.
I think what people need to understand is, yes, he is the richest
owner in the NBA by a mile. I completely understand that. And he
will pay the luxury tax, you know, to a degree though. And
the first sign that we got that was when they just waved there at Gordon
because it saved them. I want to say that eighty or ninety maybe even
one hundred million of luxury tax, Like there are limits to spending. And
I think that's another thing that we might see this summer, even if PG
returns, is what's the best way to get under this? Because I know
it's not a popular move, but waving and stretching PJ. Tucker. While
it saves eight million dollars, that's a really popular move with Clippers fans.
Well, I mean well because well the most popular movie be trading him and
not taking anything, you know whatever. But if they wave and stretch him,
it saves them eight million, you know, just on the surface,
but luxury tax wise, that's a big savings. I think I don't have
the exact number, but I know, you know, it's a massive number
for luxury tax I wrote an article a couple of weeks ago that detailed,
you know, a couple moves and what it would do to the you know,
you could shed like two hundred million dollars in luxury taxes year, and
that's that's a lot of money. I don't care, Like that's a fair.
PJ. Tucker is standing between you and two hundred million dollars coming out
of your pocket, I don't know. And it comes down to we got
what nine days? And if you're like in the camp that is really hoping
for a Paul George trade, like regardless of what the return is, that
that's like your your end goal. I feel like you're hoping that Paul George
gets pitched on the idea that if he's looking for the most possible money,
it's a huge gamble. But if he plays this year out with the cap
going up, if he can get a three or four year deal, I
mean that could be worth an extra twenty million over the course of that deal.
So if he opts in, he can opt in and extend And I
think whoever acquires Hypothetic, whoever acquires them, would do it with the idea
that they're going to obviously extend them, and which gives him some say over
where he goes if he opts in. I will say, if he opts
in, the odds are he is being traded and he will have a very
big say on where he is going. It's not just gonna be like he's
opting in and the Clippers get to pick where he goes to Detroit, Buddy,
Yeah, it's not happening. You know. It's like, obviously Orlando
has been floated as a salary cap team for him. I think Orlando makes
a bigger sense for him if he opts in and gets traded, because there
are salaries they can send back that are just one year player contracts, you
know, an expiring Jonathan Isaac deal that's completely non guaranteed and does not guarantee
until January I guaranteed, completely non guaranteed guarantees I believe like January tenth or
something like that. Moe Wagner, who's only eight million, but it's a
backup center Joe Ingles, which I know Clipper fans would be one hundred percent
excited about the best player they've ever traded for in their eyes. But you
know, Joe Ingles played more minutes per game for the Magic than Jonathan Isaac.
That's not shocking. Jonathan Isaac was a Jonathan Isaac was their defensive guy,
so it wasn't like he played a lot. But Joe Ingles is an
old man. I was just more surprised they liked him. He's he was
their connector and some call him a good guy. Not me, but but
you know, like, you know, that's that cobbles together like thirty eight
million dollars in salary, and that gives Orlando still space to spend on other
guys. So you know, that's just one thought. I'm not saying that's
a deal that's happening. I'm just saying, you know, that's an idea
of why it would make sense if he opposed and gets traded, then it
spends to a team like that. Uh you know you mentioned that I wrote
about the Kawhi PG dynamic for extensions. It was the first Kawai signing that
extension in January. While it made him trade eligible, the biggest thing is
it was the first time that Kawai signed an extension before PG did. And
wow, okay, so it it's interesting because PG signs his first extension with
the team or his only extension with the team after the twenty twenty bubble.
So right before the twenty twenty twenty one first year with TIE, I should
say so, right before the first year with TIE. PG signs his extension.
Six months or nine months later, Kawhi is a free agent, has
a player option decline as a player option, re signs to a new two
plus one, two plus one, three plus one whatever it is. He
arrived at You know what I'm trying, I don't. He got there.
Yeah, he got there. Nine months later, Kawai signs his own extension.
Both didn have player options for this this summer, but they're both extension
eligible going into this last season, and Kawhi signs in January, PG doesn't
sign. The night that Kawhi signed, PG was asked about it about his
own extensions, and he said he's hopeful. When we asked him literally one
month later, February tenth, I believe it was where his you know,
if it's still his goal to get this this extension done, He said,
that is the goal. What we later found out after the season was that
negotiations between PG and the Clippers, or pg's representatives and the Clippers was completely
halted at the All Star break. They tabled discussions at the All Star break
for the off season. So four days after what however, many days when
the All Star break was from the tenth so I'll just say four days four
days after we asked him if he's still hopeful and that's the goal, which
he said, yes, the talk stopped, and which is fine because they're
they're trying to figure out the rest of the season. I get it's not
a big deal. But now you're in June, late June, yeah,
and nothing's happened. You know. It's it's an interesting dynamic because I'm not
gonna say that Colai screwed him. Cal I did what was best for Kawhi
like that's exactly what you should do in every situation. I also think Cali
is very happy with the organization. I think they've done everything in their power
to treat him completely right, I don't. I mean, you know,
if what I've heard is true, they've gone above and beyond to make him
happy. And I don't think there's any strained relationship between those, you know,
between Kawi and the organization at all. And I think I think Colai
is signing when he did kind of made PG and this is just my thought
on it, kind of made PG get put into a predicament where now if
he asks for more money than Kawhi, a player that he has said is
the number one guy on the team repeatedly and is the best player like PG
now has to go to the front office and ask for more money than him.
It creates a weird dynamic mostly probably you know, it could, and
I think that's why we're at where we are now. This isn't to say
they wouldn't give him for and whatever he wants if push came to shove,
but I think what we've seen over the last six months is the idea that
PG of the money that PG wants is bigger than the reality of what he
is being offered. And there's no there's no bridge, there's the gap has
not been bridged, is what I'm trying. Like that, it's a very
big stalemate and they're gonna have to work their way through if the if the
relationship is to continue or the partnership is have called it. I would remind
people that this is Kawhi's team as much as people might, you know,
say other it's his team. A lot of the guys that they got were
guys that he wanted, you know, they wanted point guards. They went
out and got point guards, guys that they asked for. And yes,
it gutted a lot of their depth. And we could sit here and say
that's also why they strolled in the playoffs. The didn't have enough forwards.
It happens, you got to go get James Harden. Last year they said
they had too much depth, which I actually believed they did. This year,
they didn't have enough. Now they have to figure out a way to
have just enough. Was bringing guys potentially bringing guys back, and it's the
situation that's been created is not ideal for a lot of parties, most of
all Hello kitty Cat most of all for PG and I don't know where it
goes from here. But I also think that people should understand why each party
feels the way that they do. Totally, Yeah, there's valid reasons.
Is there a scenario justin where you think like the damage has already been done
through sort of like the drag, like the foot dragging and stuff of these
negotiations where maybe Paul George doesn't feel as supported by the organization and even if
maybe he was willing to negotiate at one point on you know, something less
than max that at this point, it's sort of like a it's sort of
a scort start thing. I could see that because that's how people are,
right, is like, I mean, I'd be furious as like as a
person, I'd be furious. At the end of the day, we are
people and we have feelings. This is what I wrote, like, we
have feelings, and the second you feel disrespected, betrayed, valued less than
you think you are, whether monetarily or other wise. I do think it
plays a factor. I would not be shocked that if he just was like
I I I don't want to go back. I can't do that because I
do think there is an interesting dynamic here where he returns whatever deal he returns
on, but especially if he returns on a lesser deal, the ki dealer
lower. I do think there's an interesting dynamic at play where he returns on
something like that, and then guys in the I'm not saying guys in the
locker room would do this, but I could see guys in the locker room
being like, what the hell was all this all along for? Like you
just now, most athletes they understand its business. They get it. They're
not gonna obviously ostracize him and shut him right. But one of the benefits
of being on the oldest team everyone understands, they get it. Wisdom,
wisdom, Yeah, bro, wisdom, Max. It wouldn't shock me if
there's some animal, not an I don't Also, he is too big of
a too strong of a word. Just weird, Yeah, Like the vibes
are weird. Yeah, they feel very weird right now. That is that's
the most Yeah, don't let anyone tell you the vibes on that team were
great all year. There weren't great stretches, you know, but there is
some weirdness that happened, and you know, the people who know know,
and that's what it is, and so isn't to say it the vibes can't
improve and camaraderie and chemistry can't get better. It was just a very weird
season. I do think the free agency stuff played a lot of part or
a lot of factors into this, and you know it. The only thing
I can say is it is what it is like, it's this was the
situation they were put into, they put themselves into, and you know,
Kawhi signed his deal. PG was left in the cold. And that's why
we're at where we're at. Here we are because the PG signs his extension
first, No no one cares because they know Kawi is coming. Right when
Kawai signed. It was very strange because I know for a fact the general
thought among people when that happened was, Okay, the PG extentsion will be
coming shortly because you got this one done. But the longer it went on
and then you find out they stop negotiations at the All Star break, it's
a little it's a little strange. Not to say he can't come back,
obviously, but it's just the longer it's gone on, the less optimism I
think there has been externally that things will be figured out between both parties internally.
That's a beautiful way to put it. I think you're totally right on
that. My favorite tweet. We're gonna move on to the Jeff Van Gundy
stuff on the SEC, but my favorite tweet I saw about the Paul George
thing was someone was like, the Clippers just need to they need to,
you know, get Paul George if the option you can trade him, and
then they just need a solid ten man rotation. And I was like,
Yeah, you nailed it, man, Let's just build. Let's build a
ten man They can really do some good things. All right. Coming up,
we're talking Jeff van Gundy hired his lead assistant. But before that,
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All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip. If you missed it,
I was booted earlier for for eating my Chips and Dips, So stay tuned
for the next segment to know what everyone has got going on, because you
don't want to miss it. Oh, it was worth it, buddy.
But anyway, we talked a little bit about the Paul George stuff. Now,
I mean the biggest piece of news really surrounding the Clippers spear at the
moment is a new hiring Jeff Van Gundy added to the coaching staff justin I'm
curious your thoughts on this. It was this the most logical Was this the
most logical option after Dan Craig's departure or was this something that was even on
your radar? It was a little bit out of left field, at least
for me. I didn't know it was coming. I I know that Jeff
had been Like there was the rumors obviously that Jeff had been ready to come
back into coaching, and I've been approached by several teams. I didn't know
the Clippers were going to be one of them. I knew there was gonna
be a coaching higher for the Clippers just because Dan had left. Like obviously,
you know you connect nominal or yeah, connects. Oh, I didn't.
I didn't think of Jeff. But Jeff makes sense. Him and Tie.
You know, Tye has an agency over the coaching highers, so him
and ty go back twenty years. Jeff coached him with the Houston Rockets for
half a season. They've been in USA Basketball together. They've been close at
USA Basketball there. Obviously they bounce stuff off each other. It's not a
crazy thing that Jeff Benny's back in coaching. I think. The only thing
that's crazy to some people he just hasn't coached in the NBA since two thousand
and seven. But he's been around USA Basketball for years. You know,
he's coached USA Basketball. It's not like he just took a, you know,
a seventeen year sabbatical. I just went out to the desert. That
would be kind of rad though, the Phil Jackson experience, go out to
the desert, you know. But you know, I mean, it makes
sense. Van Gundy, I believe he's sixty two. It's not like,
you know, he's he's learned. This guy has grown in the game basically
his whole life and has seen the game up close his whole life and has
seen the new age of players, especially at USA Basketball. He knows how
to relate to them, he knows how to coach him, he knows how
to get through to them. He understands the game. That's happening at this
present time, and I think he brings fresh ideas. I don't think there's
anything wrong with a guy who hasn't been a coach in the NBA for you
know, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years coming in to give you some fresh
eyes. I don't think that's bad. I think I think it should be
celebrated in a lot of in a lot of circles. And you know,
I mean, number one thing, there's no salary cap coaches, so you
could pay whatever you want for them, and you could build the best staff
that you wants. What they did when Ty first got here. You know,
they had Kenny, they had Kenny Atkinson, Dan Craig had all these
got Chauncey Phillips, they had all these guys crazy Kenny's Kenny Atkinson's up for
head coaching jobs in the last couple of years, including this year, Chauncey's
been at Portland. Dan moved to Chicago to have a more streamlined chance to
get in a head coaching job. You know, I'm actually interested in seeing
what Jeff provides. I think, you know, as a lead assistant,
I think he's gonna have a lot of agency over the defense Dante Jones,
as Law Murray of The Athletic reported, helped out with the defense, helped
out with the defense a lot this past year. I think Dante is also
being groomed as someone who becomes an assistant and then kind of moves up the
coaching ladder, so to speak, down the line in a couple of years.
So I think Jeff helps there. I just think Jeff helps. I
you know, you lose Dan, which is not great, but if you
get Jeff bang Gundy, I think that's fine and a good hire and at
least puts them on a pathway to figuring out what the hell went wrong with
the defense, so to speak, because a lot wasn't great last year.
It wasn't all Dan Craig. If people want to blame him, it wasn't
all him. You know, you had injuries at times to your best defenders,
and you had your best defenders who, not to sound mean, just
didn't want to guard the best offensive players, right, and you know you
had to figure it out from there. So we'll see what Jeff can do
at this point of their career. Who's a better coach? Do you think
Jeff and Gunnie or JJ Reddick I'm not gonna comment of the JJ thing.
And the only reason i'mouna say that is because I I think there's such a
weirdness, especially on like social media, when a guy who's never or when
a coach who has never been a coach before gets hired, and it's like,
either you got one side of it that's just like, oh, brilliant
mind for sure going to be a success, And did you get the other
side, which is this guy suck? Yeah? I'm like, we don't
know. I don't know. He sounds like a smart guy at any time
I listened to him talk. Does that mean he's gonna be a great coach?
No? But does it mean he's not going to be a great hitch?
No? I don't know how he pans out. It's an unenviable position
for him. I think it's it's an unenviable position. Did you guys see
the law tweet about the comparison to Doc Rivers, which I thought was crazy?
Yeah? So Doc Rivers, you know? Twenty three five and sixty
seven career minutes. Hired from broadcasting three years after playing career as Magic head
coach. JJ Reddick twenty three thousand and four nine hundred and sixty four career
minutes. Hired from broadcasting three years after playing career as Lakers head coach and
Doc Also, he's the only team he'd ever coached before the Orlando Magic was
the Saint Luke Tigers, his daughter's church league team in San Antonio, So
there is precedent for someone coming from broadcasting to being a coach. I think
one thing that hurts JJ's just the media is so different. Now. Doc
didn't have a podcast, you know what I mean, Like, that's where
the exposure which he needed probably to help him get the job. I'm not
knocking that that was good. It's you know, it's the twenty fiveur news
cycle thing. There's so much content to dissect from people. There's freezing cold
takes, there's all this stuff, and sometimes JJ comes off as a bit
of a prick, which so what I will say is I saw people that
were just like, the Lakers' job is a bad job, Like it's a
thankless job. Tough job. Yeah, I agree, it's a tough job.
However, the one benefit of taking the Lakers job, in my opinion,
is if you fail at the Lakers job, that doesn't kill your career.
Very good point. If you fail at a Detroit job, if you
fail at a Detroit Piston job, you're not getting another job. If you
fail at the Los Angeles Lakers job, are you'll get another job because you
were good enough for the Lakers. Well, and Monty doesn't need another job
anymore. Thanks for the p I respect that many done. We're done,
MANI gets my unwavering respect for Look, man, if someone threw that much,
if they no, no, I won't say he's a grifter because that
man kept saying no and they just kept throwing money at him. Yeah,
at a certain point, we're all dumb. If we don't do sure,
man, I'll come here and fuck some ship up for a couple of months
ago it goes maybe it works out. Yeah, the Van Gundy stuff,
I was looking at just the teams that he was a full time coach of,
just their defensive ratings. Obviously things were different. He had some pretty
incredible rosters between Marcus Camby. Yeah, means guys like that that really help
your defense. He's never had a team finish lower than eighth in defensive rating
in the league, and the second lowest was fifth. So of all those
two was one two, three, four, five, six, like ten
seasons or so lowis they ever finished? Was eighth? Again, that was
his head coach. But that's a good defensive He cares about that, which
not that Dan Craig didn't. But like, I like what you said about
the new ideas and like getting new thoughts out there. It's a it's a
perfect replacement for Dan Craig. Listen, if the Clippers finished fifth in defense
next year, I think fans will be okay, I think yeah, I
think, well I'll be losing my mind if they finished fifth in defense.
Will you brought something up kind of interesting last week? So I think it's
fair. As like JVG said and acted certain ways about the modern game sometimes
when he was an announcer, I don't know, Well, do you think
that's more of a character do you think I think it's really it's really tough
to tell with that stuff. But I thought, like kind of like an
annoying hallmark of the Jeff ban Gundy sort of broadcast experience was him kind of
bemoaning the modern game. And yeah, so who knows, though, I
mean that is something that is something you can fall back on and you have
you feel like you have a lot of knowledge about and anytime you're trying to
fill air, it helps to sort of go into your back pocket. So
it's tough for me to tell how much of that is real. I mean,
I'm glad that Justin brought up so much about the Team USA basketball experience,
because you would think that that has kept him pretty up to date on
you know, because things change, Defensive schemes change, and obviously how you
have to gain for certain players as the skill explosion has kind of happened in
the league is certainly different from when he was coaching. But yeah, I
mean, I was wrong on this one. I said I didn't want it
to een and I wasn't that excited about it. But I'm I'm I'm happy
to be proven wrong. Also, what did he do on the Celtics justin?
Oh, thank you, thank you for asking that, because I really
try not not knocking jeffan gunn to do. But I Google. I was
trying to find some articles written about what he was doing. What was he
doing other Justin you're doing? Yeah, you know away me and me and
Joe Mizzoula like this. Yeah, you were with him the first time he
saw the town. Correct exactly, which, by the way, great movie.
I totally get why he watches it all the time. Fantastic. My
one friends have a funny take on the town that after you watch enough times
it just becomes a comedy. It actually is a very funny movie, like
if you watching in the lens as a comedy and like John Hamm is absurd.
And then Ben Affleck's right hand guy, I can't remember his name right
now, Jeremy Renner, Jeremy Renner, thank you, Jeremy Renner. Hilarious
in that movie, Absolutely hilarious, hilarious. At the end of the day,
Ben Gundy is an interesting guy. Uh you know, you said like
he would make comments about the modern game, right like, yeah, So
I wonder I wonder if his time away and being with Team USA and then
now being with the Celtics, a team who shoots more threes than anybody else,
they just won the title doing it obviously very switchable defense one through five,
all this stuff. I wonder if that kind of changes his view of
the modern game. As for what he did with Boston, I don't know
specifically what he did. I know he was like a coaching consultant. I
don't know like anything beyond that, I believe he and uh. I think
he and Brad Stevens were close, and I think he and Joe Miszula were
pretty good. So I'm not exactly sure. I don't know if Yeah,
it's a fair answer. He was Again, I don't know if he's sat
in on team meetings and was like this is what you gotta do. But
you know, I think he was just a brain that they picked and he
gave insight, kind of like how Jerry Jerry was for the Clippers, like
he was a consultants. What the hell is he doing a lot of stuff
actually, so I'm sure Jeff fan Gundy did too. We just don't ever
see any of it. But those are the people you gotta worry about,
the ones who work in the dark. That is very true. That's a
good call. Yeah, I was like as hyped as can be for an
assistant coach. Higher I guess after this, like pretty cool, more championship
pedigree, new voice in the locker room I saw. I know a bunch
of people on line were like, oh, people who don't like Tylu are
happy that they have we have an assistant coach who maybe can challenge some of
Tylo's bad tendencies. But I don't really know how real that is. Yeah,
I honestly I don't. I don't know. I I think Jeff could
because because you know, Tyne was coached by him, So there's a there's
a chance that if Jeff tells him something and challenges an idea, Tye will
take it in stride, which he did. Yeah, yeah, t I
take stuff in stride. He's not Tis not adverse to ideas, you know,
like he is able to dissect them and go with he started, Tucker,
that is an idea, you know, it's it's one that will divide
people for a while. I don't think it will divide people for a while.
I say, I understood it. No, I yeah, I understand
it too. I'm not. It's not like Kawi was healthy and the team
had a bunch of other wings they could trot out there. He just sucks
at basketball. I just people are like, that was why they lost the
series. I'm like, no, that's not why they lost the series.
They lost the series for a lot of reasons. That was like number seven
down the list. Number one was that you didn't wear your sunglasses at every
game that you covered. That was that was the one that did it.
A lot of people were talking about that. Yeah, some set. So
we're saying, all right, anything else on Jeff fan Gutni before we get
into this dip tok. I'm just interested in in kind of what he what
he brings like, not just defensively like I'm interested in Yeah, I won't
obviously we're not going to be in the room with them, but I'm just
interested in just knowing kind of like the imprint he has on not just the
day to day coaching process and the sets that they run and the defense that
they run, but also like man management or input on the kind of players
that they're looking for for the roster. So, you know, it's an
intriguing high. I don't know who else was out there in terms of assistant
coach material that they could have got to be the lead assistant obviously, you
know, I'm sure people have names that they're interested in, but if you're
looking for a really big name that carries weight, that can tell players what's
what, it's hard to do a little it's hard to do better than Jeff
ban Gundy at the point, Yeah, Vogel was a name was tossed around
to be an assistant coach here, but I don't know. All right,
if no more final thoughts, We're gonna take one very quick break and get
to this dip, which I think we're all very excited about. All right,
coming up, we are talking dip talk. We have I think we
have three fantastic dips today, which everyone who's been listening has been wondering when
we're gonna hit for the triple double U or the cycle, which is three
good dips. Um. We got an audio break and then diptop coming up
in three two one. All right, welcome back into clips and dip.
You know what time it is? Time for reviews? You know what time
it is? All right? Who wants to kick this thing off? I'm
excited. I want Russo to Russo is the first guess we've had to brilliant
dip on He went and got two. I'm eating one. I would vote
for Russo. Yeah, let's do it. The dip that I'm not eating
was a chunky salsa. Okay, so why are you not eating it?
Because I wanted to try this other dip. You know. The other dip
that I got is uh, plant based buffalo style dip and actually I have
to say it's pretty good. What kind of chip? Oh, it is
a organic blue corn tortilla chip from Sprouts. Okay as hell? Damn Yeah,
this is a one time thing. Let's you've seen me in the beatier
room. Okay, this is I don't eat healthy. I like that you're
keeping inconsistent with the buffalo dip because last time you said you can't go wrong
with a like a buffalo chicken bit. Yeah. Once I saw this,
I was sold. And let me tell you, I was skeptical. I'm
not skeptical anymore. This is good. You'd bring it to it? But
would you bring it to a barbecue? I think I would. I think
I would, But I wouldn't put it in the packaging that it's in because
I wouldn't want people to know it's plant based, just because you know,
if people are gonna have like a like a kind of thought behind it,
like they're snobby about that stuff. You know. Yes, that is fair.
I have a fun if I brought it, if I brought it down
to like La area, they might actually enjoy this because it is plant based.
Everyone, you're like fifty miles away. Yeah, I'm not actually in
La People don't know that, but I'm not What is your address? For
those watching, it's six six six as well. All right, so we
got one for one on a good dip? Will would you like to go
next? Are you feeling good about yours? Yeah, I'm feeling good about
mine. I'm not gonna show it on camera because it looks a little weird.
Uh, It's something I whipped up. Show it, Okay, this
is why people watched the pod instead of just listening. That looks like a
dip. That's that's a mixed dip. Yeah, this is what am I
calling this? I guess like a keto kso which all keto is? I
think I think all caso is keto. Anyways, but uh i uh,
I took some time this seasoning and some firm tofu microwave that up. Normally
i'd brown in a pan like a normal person, but I didn't have a
lot of time. I was running late for the podcast as per usual.
Uh. And then to bet I added some queso uh, and some scallions
and a little bit of salsa and I'm eating it with these Kroger brands.
Uh pork, just original player, just just playing, just keeping it,
just keeping it playing, but it is delightful, I gotta tell you.
Like I said, there's a couple of moms I would make if I gave
myself more than five minutes to put it together. But yeah, I would
definitely bring this to a barbecue. The look is a little weird, but
I think it would be improved if I if I had like browned it in
the oven. I mean, it looks great, it sounds awesome. Yeah,
that's awesome. So it looks like a bowl of scrambled eggs. Though,
if I'm doing perfectly fair. To be fair, most dips don't look
like the most esthetically pleasing thing in the world, right, that's fair.
Some dips are sexy, Yeah, we need to Those are the showers.
Those are the showers, not the eas not the lists, Yeah, not
the ones doing all the real work. Those are the show dips, all
right. So I went the chip. I'm using just a classic Ruffles original.
Nothing crazy there. Oh, one second, before I get to my
dip, we need to give a shout out to the four people who listened
to our last episode who then went and bought the Chip of the Summer,
which is the Lay's Cuban sandwich chip. I hope everyone had a great time.
Lay's we're clearly moving the needle. We review dips. We would love
some free product. Hey, maybe you'll get the next Lays commercial with that
would be Yeah, that would be great. I think that is the next
step. So I went, I got a classic ruffles my dip. I
just I scoured the internet for a recipe. This one is called the dunk.
This dip is called the Dunk dip in their family. This is you
got cream cheese, blue cheese, grated shallat Worcestershire, hot sauce, and
black pepper. And this this is phenomenal dip. I'm gonna tell everyone that's
actually my family recipe when I take it to barbecues instead of something I looked
up on the internet. But I love this dip. It's I made way
too much of it. But yeah, I would give this dip ten out
of ten barbecues. Let's see it. It looks looks like a dip you
know that looks like you know what that looks like. That looks like one
of those like uh, the like the sour cream style dips. Yes,
cream onion, that's the one I was thinking of. And you can also
make this. Instead of blue cheese, you could try gorganzola, which was
a suggestion that I also saw. But I'm not mad at this dip.
I'm pretty satisfied with how it turned out. So congrats to all of us
for grated shallatts. Yeah, shallots are a great thing to throw in dishes.
By the way, They're incredible. This dip hits all the food pyramid
too, I think. But congrats to us for great dips on a Friday
evening. I don't think there's many. There's not a lot of better ways
to spend the Clippers off season than eating a great dip on a Frida.
To be fair to you, I did not know that today was a Friday
until about three hours ago. Wow. That tells you. That tells you
where I'm at with this off season. Yeah. Well, Russo, thank
you so much for coming on this pod. Thank you for elevating what guests
are supposed to do on this pod by bringing a dip. What can you
say, I'm a floor raiser, Absolutely, absolutely a floor raiser. I'm
the blue guy exactly. You had the toughest transition take out. Yeah,
We're going to be back next week with all three of us talking We're probably
gonna do an episode after the draft so we can talk about whatever aged college
player the Clippers have decided to go with at pick forty six. I'm sure
justin Russo you are you gonna have any draft stuff coming out on your substack.
I did one about like five or five players that I was looking at,
but I will based on whoever they draft. So, I mean,
the draft is a weird time. This draft is weird because it apparently well,
no, just because it's like the first draft, first draft of the
new CBA, right, so like the Clippers can't trade money to get a
second rounder beyond what they have. Like, it's just it's weird. I
don't know, it's weird. Lucas Hahn had the right tweet the other yesterday,
had rather the right tweet yesterday where he said they should have implemented the
CBA like a couple of years later to allow teams to kind of get used.
Yeah, like they just they just went right into it and holy crap.
Yeah, trying to figure out everything about it. I envy the the
cat people that are doing all the leg work because this is this is brute.
It's too much. Where can people find your substack so they can read
about whatever aged big man the Clippers take. You can go to Justin Russo
dot substack dot com. You can follow me on Twitter at fly by Night,
f L y B y K and I T E. I'm apologized to
people if you see me tweeting about soccer. Soccer's going on all the time
now because of Euro of twenty twenty four and Copa America. So it's all
soccer all day, every day, and basketball sometimes sprinkled in because we got
to do that too, you know, we got to do it. Oh,
go ahead, I will say this. I'm actually excited for summer league
we got. Yeah. I mean, I hope ky Jones can show that
he's a good backup five. It's not even that, like I'm actually excited
just to see new players and kind of just see like the I know people
say this drafts not great, but I'm actually excited to see these guys.
I always like when there's like a not great draft, it usually just means
that there's like kind of a handful of guys who become like pretty okay to
solid role guys, which is a pretty good draft. Yeah. I don't
think there's anything bad, like the bust rate on or the quote unquote bust
rate on a lot of guys in the draft is awful. Like you're lucky
if you hit a bus, right, Yeah, if you're lucky if you
hit a superstar in the draft. Right. But I think it's okay if
you pick a guy and he's a good role player, Like that's fine,
that's what you're a lot. Finding superstars is hard, as as Lawrence Francas
said, finding superstars is the hard part, or it's the easy part hard
parts building, Like you gotta do all the stuff, so you gotta find
the role players. And that's why I'm kind of curious about this draft.
Maybe there's a guy in the draft who gets picked, you know, twentieth
or later, who becomes a superstar, as usually happens in almost every draft.
Maybe it's forty six. Who knows, stranger has happened? Will Where
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What do you do? I put your guys' podcast on my TV on YouTube
by the way, Hell yeah, dude, I really do. Like I
put it on my TV and while I'm playing Football Manager, I'll just watch
it and it's just great. So yeah, I support the YouTube thing.
It's it's great for people to kind of watch and follow along because you can
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out. Adam's not here to give us one positive thing, so there's not
gonna be one. Chuck. Wait, I gotta do a positive thing.
Okay, Justin has one ready, let it fly, Justin. I don't
usually have positive things in my back pocket. The positive thing that I have
they've won, was it thirteen straight consecutive seasons? Yes, I think no
matter what happens, they get to fourteen, there we go. I think
they ride that wave. I think I think they're teflon for winning seasons.
I think I think I think it's continuing no matter what. There we go.
We're riding the wave of continuous winning seasons. We're gonna be back next
week and there's gonna be a it's gonna be a new season next week because
the draft is here. So we're all excited for season three and whatever improvements
come with that, maybe make We'll make Lucas Hahn give us more money for
season three. That's not how it works, but we can say you got
to watch out. A lot of shows are getting cut off after you step
there. But we again, thank you everybody, and we'll be back next
week and as always, let's go clips