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What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season two, episode seventy

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eight of Clips and Dip. I
am Chuck Mockler, joined by Will Updike.

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Adam Oslin could not make it,
he would love to be here.

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We know that he probably has a
dip that he's eating right now. To

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give us some updates on next week. We are joined by Justin Russo.

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Today, yet again Justin, always
good for you to be here. We're

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gonna be talking pro cod player,
which we just found out, Yes,

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former pro Call of Duty player just
kind out moments ago. Yeah. Thanks,

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okay, but this is a long
time ago. This isn't like you

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know, two years ago. No, man, the people gotta know.

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This is a cod for the first
Modern Warfare Oh damn okay, and also

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Modern war for two like that that
e. My younger brother played Modern Warfare

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two professionally as well. It was
not very fun to play against him when

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we would hang out. We're gonna
talk a bunch about Call of Duty later,

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as well as some dips. We
have our first guest who brought a

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dip, which Russo. We applaud
you for Brett the new ground man.

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Yeah, I slaved over it.
All day by running to the store.

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Sure a new standard and this he
buddy, we're talking the Paul George stalemate.

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Russo had a great piece on his
sub stack if you should go check

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that out about some Paul George leverag
which we're going to talk about here.

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Then we're gonna talk Jeff Van Gundy
being lead assistant, and then we're talking

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our dips, which I'm very excited
about because I finally have a good one.

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We have a new season starting next
week. Dedicated listeners will know that

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the season ends with the draft.
For some reason, we set that arbitrarily,

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So season two coming to a close. Before we get into the good

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stuff, will justin, how are
you guys doing. We'll start with the

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guest rus So, how are you
doing during this kind of weird Clippers news

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time. Well, I'm doing all
right. I mean, like we were

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discussing before we came on the air, like I've just been playing a lot

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of football manager and it's a great
way to disconnect from reality, just kind

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of focus on the mundane crap that
you know you find fascinating. So that's

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where I'm at right now. I'm
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in football manager, where I'm I
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Yeah, I'm getting there. So
you know, do you use your real

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name or do you use a fun
fake name in Football Manager? I use

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my dog's nickname. Oh that's good, Okay, that's Will. How are

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you decided to make it fun?
That's yeah, Will? How are you

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doing this? Heat? How is
everything? I'm doing great. It's actually

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pretty warm in my apartment, so
I look a little dewey on the stream.

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If you're watching this on YouTube dot
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should be, you may notice.
You may not, but I'm doing I'm

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doing great. Man. I'm excited
about my dip, I'm excited about life.

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I'm most excited about our guests though. Yes, this is a great

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time. We always love having our
favorite Adam's favorite French Canadian reporter Justin Rousseau

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on the pod. Let's get right
into it. There was a bunch of

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I don't know if news is the
right word surrounding Paul George the quote.

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Yes, there were a bunch of
Paul George quotes. Sham's reported that the

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seventy six ers interest in PG has
waned. I'm not sure I totally believe

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that all the way, but yeah, I don't know, do we start

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with the quote, because like the
quotes sent people into a frenzy. Will

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and I got a very angry call
from Joseph Rya Award who needed to call

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us of ramp about it. But
I don't know. For those of you

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who missed it, PG had some
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PG, right, Will, where
it's like things there's not accountability, and

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there's always kind of things after the
fact that seem to have played a very

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large issue in him playing. How
some people think someone who's going to be

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the sixth highest paid player in the
league, the Doc Rivers are of passing

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the buck. I mean, yeah, The main one he talked about was

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James Harden trade. He talked about
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forwards was difficult for depth, which
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right that that is fair, of
course, Yeah, but then he said

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that he had to do that made
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the dirty work. And it's like, well, okay, you are the

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highest paid player on the team.
You're also a wing, dude, Like,

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you're not like a twenty five to
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gonna be expected to have to play
defense and rebound. Like, I don't

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like, what do you want?
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by two wings who do those things
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bit different team construction. I don't
know, Russo, where were you at

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with all of these quotes. You
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Twitter, but it rubbed some fans
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a bit of a contract. I
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That feels intense, but negotiations.
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I think he believes he's being honest, which is great. I think I

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don't think athletes should be ridiculed for
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they feel and how they view situations. If you have zero self awareness,

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though I mean to be at the
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zero self awareness in whatever field you're
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great couch. So I mean,
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of delusion there, but all great
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where they're at. But the same
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as a guy who still didn't know
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fair because I also don't think a
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kaw I got hurt and then everything

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snowballed from there. I didn't really
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went into his comments trying to take
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people took it that he did take
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that's how he meant it. I
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James stuff. I don't think he
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James. But I also do have
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guess with like he has waffled throughout
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and what he thinks he can do
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I mean, it is what it
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him to go on the air and
say these things, But also, what

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are you going to do? I
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and behind the scenes, and you
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what he's looking for, he did
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agent did his job, and you
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payday. And that's fine. I
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most money possible. I think it's
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taking less. You know, there's
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in the games. PG specifically has
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conscious of how things can change correct
basketball player's life. And I look at

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it, as you know, I
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for all this money. I do
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the other side, which is,
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And why should we handicap ourselves to
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at the time that I wrote the
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been, which is they're not caving
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sides who were just locked in a
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mean things change day to day,
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as the quote goes, the price
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you know, things things change.
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a day or two from now,
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to an agreement on a full max
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they feel they're painted into a corner. And I wouldn't be surprised if he

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returns on three poet fifty or something
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he leaves. I think, I
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Is not surprised by ship, y'all. I'm ready. I've been around this

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team and seen doomsday p prapper bro. I've been around sports long enough to

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not be surprised by much at this
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that's fair. And the leverage thing
is so interesting because you're your piece outlined

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very well how Kawi took the deal
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That does hamstring Paul George's leverage a
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well, this guy who's just as
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not more, on the team just
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immediately compared to that if you're Paul
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I can understand him having a gripe
with that. I'm wondering how the seventy

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six ers report it went from Paul
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not as much, maybe kind of
by a substantial amount. Will How do

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you feel about that now? I
mean it just depends because like, are

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the seventy six ers just putting that
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max, but they would pay more
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because that is still definitely on the
table somebody is. I do think

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that one team, like there's a
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talk themselves into giving Paul George a
MAX. I think, like, really,

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it's besides the point in like,
we have still nine more days to

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really like to see what's if it
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you know, if you're a Clippers
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some sort of like opt in in
trade or something like that, which seems

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that unlikely at this juncture. But
if there is MAX money from another team

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out there, you know, I
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is getting anything for Paul George.
And I think as like soured as as

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we all have kind of been on
this experience. Like I said before,

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I mean from a talent perspective,
they're not going to do better than Paul

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George. Anything that they get back
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be a downrade. So's it's really
a rock and a hard place, right

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Like I understand the viewpoint of not
giving a thirty four year old man who's

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kind of had his up and ups
and downs and doesn't seem to understand his

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role a max contract, But if
you could get him into that range three

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for one fifty or whatever, what
better move are you? Like? What

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else do you really have in the
arsenal if you're the Clippers without giving way

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the one pick that you can trade
and even and even then even if you

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give that up, like you know, the return is at best a lateral

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move. I think, like at
like optimistically it's at best a lateral move

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and likely still somewhat of the downgrade. And whatever new player they get is

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coming into a system that is pretty
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I think the point every year,
how like it's not that established.

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Well that's I guess like ty LeWitt's
like himself. It's like that'd be a

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difficult environment to go into as the
one B because whoever they're trading for is

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going to be the one B.
It's like, how I don't know,

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like Kawhi if if Paul George doesn't
come back, some people think Kawhi could

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be gone, which I don't know. I think you might be too old

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and not want to deal with a
new thing. Like much like Russo said,

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I guess nothing would surprise me with
kawhi Yah. Well yeah, especially

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with Kawhi. But at the same
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the incentive for him. He's got
two championships, two finals MVPs. Not

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saying that he doesn't want to win, because I mean, obviously he's a

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pro athlete at the highest level.
All he wants to do is win,

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But I guess, I guess I
just feel like he's in a pretty good

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situation right now, and I don't
know that he'd be willing to give that

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up to go to a team just
for a shot at a championship. Yeah,

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I don't think he likes hassle.
I think he's one of I think

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he's number one on my list of
professional athletes who don't like hassle. And

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that's the other part in here Russo
too. It's like, as annoying as

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some people might find Paul George's quotes, they can't just let him walk.

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That is so far from the Clipper's
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it does help him with the apron, but you're not getting anybody.

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Yeah, if they if they lose
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that's the sign of the reboot,
so to speak, the soft lunch,

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the sat kind of what they did
after Chris left, which is, yeah,

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excuse yeah, Chris Paul try where
they had to pivot several times,

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and you know, maybe that's what
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I'm not saying he's going to get
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a coincidence that Kawi signed his new
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agency, so to speak, where
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I don't think that's a coincidence,
you know, I mean, it could

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be It could be just like,
oh, this is the day that we

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just came to an agreement. Like
that could be the thing. But I

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don't I'm I guess naive enough to
think that there's a scenario where he could

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be gone if PG doesn't return.
I could see Kawi just be and like,

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look, there's nothing that you're going
to bring in that's gonna be a

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pequal or at least comparable value on
the court. Why do I want to

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stay? You know? And then
I could see them having to pivot.

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So you know, that's one thing
the Philly stuff where they put up like

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the report got put out by by
shams that you know, Philly's pause pivoting

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chip on cam Will, chip on
Mike Bro. That might be our first

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chip time out. Oh oh no, wow, got caught. Oh for

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those of you not watching, Will
just took himself off screen because he ate

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a chip too out into the mic. First one, dude, if Adam

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was here, he would lose his
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the chippy jar And now it's funny, he's just maw and some chips.

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Uh, right, Russo you're you're
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Philly thing. I know, if
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I saw some people say, well, clearly the PG comments on the podcast,

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like Philly, oh yeah, no, I'm sorry, You're not gonna

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stop pursuing a guy just because he
says one thing that's not happening. People

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said a lot worse and gotten a
lot more money. I there's several ways

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you can look at it, right. It could just be nothing. It

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could just be Philly saying we're out
and they're not really out. It could

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be Philly worried about tampering charges,
which they've already been in with ones because

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that yeah, technically players can't tamper
want a player to player. But it

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also wasn't great optics on that ESPN
pregame, which ESPN personally, I kind

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of think they set PG up a
little bit too poorly with that. That

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was that was insane. They know
what they were doing. It could just

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be that PG told them I'm not
interested. It could be they Philly found

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out the Clipper are gonna give him
what he wants. It could be that

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PG told them, hey, I'm
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and just moved on. So it
could be a myriad of things. It

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could be something, it could be
nothing. That's the nature of this time

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of year. I do think it's
interesting the first domino fell, which was

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the Alex Frusso dial and then yeah, and then Malik Monk got his contract,

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which and that's so happy for Milake
Monk, just contract for him to

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get. And so I look at
it like now you're seeing some teams already

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make their moves, and I wonder
where it goes from here, as like,

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you know, just in phases,
because that's how it works in the

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NBA. You know, there could
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that also alters the league to some
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on the PG front, I his
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weren't great. But I don't think
it's like the end all be all and

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it's nothing new exactly right, Like
it's not like we we thought that he

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was a guy who was like a
championship or bust guy. He's kind of

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been laying the groundwork as someone through
his quotes who isn't I don't know how

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to word this because we know that
these guys want to win, right,

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we know that that is obviously a
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and not that it doesn't matter.
It's this is what's so difficult about PG

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is you're like, dude, I
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But when you say, like,
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it's about playing the right way,
You're just kind of like, what,

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how else are we supposed to take
this? He seems like a bigger than

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the game kind of guy, like, which is fine. There's a lot

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of athletes like that, Like ka, why is like that to a larger

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degree, Like there's other stuff that
matters too. Yeah, that's totally justifiable

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and fine. I just it just
it's it's kind of like the icing on

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the cake, where it's the last
couple of months just haven't been great as

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far as like optics for him,
and then that happened. I think people

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just took it to another degree and
they're just fed up with him, which

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I understand to some degree. I
don't know what happens with him. You

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know, like I've wrote the other
day, you know, I've heard that

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they're you know, stuck with the
offer that they have, and he wants

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what he wants. But like I
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to day basis when it comes to
negotiations, and you know, if we

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get to June twenty ninth and you
know, there's no movement, that's when

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I think you should get an idea
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that date and there's and there's nothing
that's come out yet. I mean,

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you know, if he leaves,
they're you know, talent wise, they're

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not going to get close to that
level. But I also don't think I

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don't think they've I thought that's the
worst thing, right, I mean,

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you relief? When do we bring
Will back? By the way, we

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haven't figured out okay, yeah,
yeah, I wasn't sure when I could

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come out of it. I don't
know how long the chips. I wasn't

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sure. If I and I agree
with Justin, I think the uh I

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think the Philadelphia thing is completely unrelated
to the podcasting thing. I ask.

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I mean, it's just it's just
poor coincidence. You know. The big

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issue with uh PG is like the
lack of accountability, and that's one of

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those things though that has kind of
followed him from every place. This isn't

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exclusively the Clippers. This shouldn't be
new news to fans or anybody like that.

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But yeah, I just think that
if he doesn't opt in to that

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deal on July ninth, I don't
think that. I just would be very

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surprised if the trade is in the
works. Yeah, and it's we're just

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at such a stalemate, like it's
like one of it reminds me of the

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DeAndre Jordan vibes a little bit.
I have a fun thing about that,

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actually fun as though the Jerry news
of his passing, which sucks obviously,

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like Jerry was well said, Yeah, I mean that's pretty hot take for

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so I appreciate it. Jerry one
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Just never. I don't know if
I can cuss on on air,

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but yeah, go for it.
Man didn't bullshit you if you asked him

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a question, which was nice.
He just told you exactly what he thought.

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I remember a season ticket holder event
in twenty eighteen, the summer that

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DeAndre was a free agent, and
this was the UH it had just ended

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the first year after like Pat had
arrived, and he played eleven games that

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year, and he got the microfracture
certain end of the season, and there

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was a season take a holder event. It's some I don't remember what auditorium

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it was, but it was some
theater and he keep, uh he being

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Jerry comes up to talk and obviously
people are excited, and he talks about

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the offer that they made DeAndre Jordan, which I believe at the time was

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two years and twenty million uh for
for the deal, and which he I

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believe it was two twenty I believe. I'm not one hundred cent certain,

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man, but Jerry change jesus.
Yeah. Well, Jerry said, you

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know that we made what we feel
as a competitive and fair offer, and

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you know he didn't. He didn't
take it, which is which which was

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his right completely is right. DeAndre
then went and signed with Dallas for the

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one twenty that he got the one
year twenty million I believe. But Jerry

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had a quote which I put out
in a tweet during the finals, which

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is he said, uh, what's
what's right is not always popular, and

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what's popular is not all he's right, And I kind of wonder, I'm

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not saying that's the same hard line
that they're taking right now. I kind

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of wonder if that's just where they're
at, which is, yeah, it

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be unpopular to lose this guy who's
been here for five years. You know,

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has has for the most I mean, he's played more games than Kawhi,

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but obviously Kawhi missed the year.
But you know he is here,

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he is playing, He's giving you
good production, good minutes. He is

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valuable, very valuable. He's from
the area. I think they're not I

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think they realize it would be very
unpopular to lose him. But I'm interested

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if they think that it might not
be that it might be the right move,

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just because you know, yes,
you are going to do a new

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arena, and if you don't have
a good team in a new arena,

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who's gonna come and to watch your
games. It's a tough thing to realize.

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But I also think it could be
a case where they look at it

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and go, the team might not
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we are able to pivot out of
the second aid. We then have moves

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that we could do that get under
the luxury tax, because they are a

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repeater tax team, and if they
get under the luxury tax, they can

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reset it and then kind of go
from there going forward to get other other

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players, other pieces things like that. Yeah, it's just such a tough

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position because of Paul George's age and
just like the limited amount of assets because

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seeing him walk for nothing, you
know, you're you're just in a you're

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in a worse place. You have
a little bit more cap room, but

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it doesn't really you know, nothing
in a way that can seriously move the

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needle. So in terms of resets, it's a hard reset in terms of

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like what built the team and talent
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what losing I guess thirty three percent
of your payroll. But it's it's it's

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not it's in no way an easy
reset because you can't do much on the

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fly other than you know, like
hopefully be able to to shit enough salary

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to get the m L League and
you can get some role some different role

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players that you think can maybe fill
things out a little bit better around what

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you have left. But it is
like the most in between in between stations

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of rebuilds. If they do end
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there's just not there's not a clear
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years. And you know, in
the in the context of having like a

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brand new stadium and already being the
little brother team, you can understand,

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you know, like the issue financially, but the you know, the flip

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side of it is given anything once
and then you're committed even longer to a

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team that, like man Paul George
I think probably has two still like really

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good seasons left in him. But
at thirty eight, you know, like

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that's that's a tough road. That's
that's a tough road to help. Yeah,

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they it's not an enviable position a
lot of teams would like to find

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themselves in. But I also I
do think it's a very interesting situation to

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be in. From like how to
fix it standpoint, so to speak,

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It's like there are there are ways
around it. So I'm interested in seeing

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kind of what they do. You
know, I'm often reminded of like the

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phrase, like the first step to
fixing a problem is realizing you have one.

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And they do have a problem,
and they're gonna have a problem regardless

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whether or not they give them a
new deal or they don't. They just

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have to pick what path they want
to go down. It's what Honestly,

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it might just come down to whatever
path they think is the is the best

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way out of it, because you
know, I don't think it's crazy that

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they get under the second apron in
the next couple of years. Even with

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Paul George on a max contract for
four years, the CAP's going up enough,

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yeah, that if you make other
moves, you could conceivably get under

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it, and then you're not into, you know, the multi year penalties

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of the second apron. So you
know, because I mean, like you

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look at the salary cap that's projected. I say projected because obviously we didn't

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know. It's projected to go up
by about thirty million over the next two

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years. And if you add thirty
million to the salary cap, you're making

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a move here and there. You're
kind of able to navigate under it,

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at least under the second apron,
because the second apron in twenty six twenty

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seven I believe, is like around
two hundred and twenty five million projected wise.

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And you put PG to the deal, and you put James to a

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deal, obviously eats up a large
portion, same with Kawhi, but you

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know, it's there is some leeway
that you can kind of work to get

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under So maybe that's an approach for
them. It's all no one knows,

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obviously besides themselves in PG. But
I do find it fascinating from the standpoint

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of like roster building and trying to
figure out how to keep your team competitive

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if he's not here, and also
how to keep your team competitive if he

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is here. We'll try. I
did not hit the second aprint every year,

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yeah, because Balmer is worried about
that tax. It does turn,

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yeah a lot more expensive if you
start hitting some of those tax numbers.

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I think what people need to understand
is, yes, he is the richest

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owner in the NBA by a mile. I completely understand that. And he

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will pay the luxury tax, you
know, to a degree though. And

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the first sign that we got that
was when they just waved there at Gordon

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because it saved them. I want
to say that eighty or ninety maybe even

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one hundred million of luxury tax,
Like there are limits to spending. And

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I think that's another thing that we
might see this summer, even if PG

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returns, is what's the best way
to get under this? Because I know

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it's not a popular move, but
waving and stretching PJ. Tucker. While

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it saves eight million dollars, that's
a really popular move with Clippers fans.

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Well, I mean well because well
the most popular movie be trading him and

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not taking anything, you know whatever. But if they wave and stretch him,

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it saves them eight million, you
know, just on the surface,

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but luxury tax wise, that's a
big savings. I think I don't have

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the exact number, but I know, you know, it's a massive number

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for luxury tax I wrote an article
a couple of weeks ago that detailed,

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you know, a couple moves and
what it would do to the you know,

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you could shed like two hundred million
dollars in luxury taxes year, and

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that's that's a lot of money.
I don't care, Like that's a fair.

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PJ. Tucker is standing between you
and two hundred million dollars coming out

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of your pocket, I don't know. And it comes down to we got

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what nine days? And if you're
like in the camp that is really hoping

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for a Paul George trade, like
regardless of what the return is, that

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that's like your your end goal.
I feel like you're hoping that Paul George

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gets pitched on the idea that if
he's looking for the most possible money,

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it's a huge gamble. But if
he plays this year out with the cap

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going up, if he can get
a three or four year deal, I

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mean that could be worth an extra
twenty million over the course of that deal.

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So if he opts in, he
can opt in and extend And I

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think whoever acquires Hypothetic, whoever acquires
them, would do it with the idea

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that they're going to obviously extend them, and which gives him some say over

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where he goes if he opts in. I will say, if he opts

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in, the odds are he is
being traded and he will have a very

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big say on where he is going. It's not just gonna be like he's

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opting in and the Clippers get to
pick where he goes to Detroit, Buddy,

407
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Yeah, it's not happening. You
know. It's like, obviously Orlando

408
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,720
has been floated as a salary cap
team for him. I think Orlando makes

409
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,920
a bigger sense for him if he
opts in and gets traded, because there

410
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:48,240
are salaries they can send back that
are just one year player contracts, you

411
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:53,559
know, an expiring Jonathan Isaac deal
that's completely non guaranteed and does not guarantee

412
00:29:53,599 --> 00:30:00,880
until January I guaranteed, completely non
guaranteed guarantees I believe like January tenth or

413
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:06,119
something like that. Moe Wagner,
who's only eight million, but it's a

414
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:10,720
backup center Joe Ingles, which I
know Clipper fans would be one hundred percent

415
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:15,279
excited about the best player they've ever
traded for in their eyes. But you

416
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,640
know, Joe Ingles played more minutes
per game for the Magic than Jonathan Isaac.

417
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,319
That's not shocking. Jonathan Isaac was
a Jonathan Isaac was their defensive guy,

418
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,160
so it wasn't like he played a
lot. But Joe Ingles is an

419
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,359
old man. I was just more
surprised they liked him. He's he was

420
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:40,759
their connector and some call him a
good guy. Not me, but but

421
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,200
you know, like, you know, that's that cobbles together like thirty eight

422
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,920
million dollars in salary, and that
gives Orlando still space to spend on other

423
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,599
guys. So you know, that's
just one thought. I'm not saying that's

424
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,920
a deal that's happening. I'm just
saying, you know, that's an idea

425
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,640
of why it would make sense if
he opposed and gets traded, then it

426
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,640
spends to a team like that.
Uh you know you mentioned that I wrote

427
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,400
about the Kawhi PG dynamic for extensions. It was the first Kawai signing that

428
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,720
extension in January. While it made
him trade eligible, the biggest thing is

429
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,799
it was the first time that Kawai
signed an extension before PG did. And

430
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:22,319
wow, okay, so it it's
interesting because PG signs his first extension with

431
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,200
the team or his only extension with
the team after the twenty twenty bubble.

432
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,079
So right before the twenty twenty twenty
one first year with TIE, I should

433
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,000
say so, right before the first
year with TIE. PG signs his extension.

434
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:37,279
Six months or nine months later,
Kawhi is a free agent, has

435
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,039
a player option decline as a player
option, re signs to a new two

436
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,319
plus one, two plus one,
three plus one whatever it is. He

437
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,359
arrived at You know what I'm trying, I don't. He got there.

438
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,759
Yeah, he got there. Nine
months later, Kawai signs his own extension.

439
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,119
Both didn have player options for this
this summer, but they're both extension

440
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:05,279
eligible going into this last season,
and Kawhi signs in January, PG doesn't

441
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:09,400
sign. The night that Kawhi signed, PG was asked about it about his

442
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:16,319
own extensions, and he said he's
hopeful. When we asked him literally one

443
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:21,119
month later, February tenth, I
believe it was where his you know,

444
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,359
if it's still his goal to get
this this extension done, He said,

445
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:29,039
that is the goal. What we
later found out after the season was that

446
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,200
negotiations between PG and the Clippers,
or pg's representatives and the Clippers was completely

447
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,359
halted at the All Star break.
They tabled discussions at the All Star break

448
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,680
for the off season. So four
days after what however, many days when

449
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,799
the All Star break was from the
tenth so I'll just say four days four

450
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,480
days after we asked him if he's
still hopeful and that's the goal, which

451
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:53,119
he said, yes, the talk
stopped, and which is fine because they're

452
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,599
they're trying to figure out the rest
of the season. I get it's not

453
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:02,880
a big deal. But now you're
in June, late June, yeah,

454
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:10,079
and nothing's happened. You know.
It's it's an interesting dynamic because I'm not

455
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:14,039
gonna say that Colai screwed him.
Cal I did what was best for Kawhi

456
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,680
like that's exactly what you should do
in every situation. I also think Cali

457
00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:25,359
is very happy with the organization.
I think they've done everything in their power

458
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,200
to treat him completely right, I
don't. I mean, you know,

459
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,559
if what I've heard is true,
they've gone above and beyond to make him

460
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,480
happy. And I don't think there's
any strained relationship between those, you know,

461
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:45,680
between Kawi and the organization at all. And I think I think Colai

462
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:52,440
is signing when he did kind of
made PG and this is just my thought

463
00:33:52,480 --> 00:34:00,079
on it, kind of made PG
get put into a predicament where now if

464
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,960
he asks for more money than Kawhi, a player that he has said is

465
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,880
the number one guy on the team
repeatedly and is the best player like PG

466
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,280
now has to go to the front
office and ask for more money than him.

467
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,679
It creates a weird dynamic mostly probably
you know, it could, and

468
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,320
I think that's why we're at where
we are now. This isn't to say

469
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:30,159
they wouldn't give him for and whatever
he wants if push came to shove,

470
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:37,320
but I think what we've seen over
the last six months is the idea that

471
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:44,480
PG of the money that PG wants
is bigger than the reality of what he

472
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:50,480
is being offered. And there's no
there's no bridge, there's the gap has

473
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,280
not been bridged, is what I'm
trying. Like that, it's a very

474
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,559
big stalemate and they're gonna have to
work their way through if the if the

475
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,159
relationship is to continue or the partnership
is have called it. I would remind

476
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,360
people that this is Kawhi's team as
much as people might, you know,

477
00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:13,039
say other it's his team. A
lot of the guys that they got were

478
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,000
guys that he wanted, you know, they wanted point guards. They went

479
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,199
out and got point guards, guys
that they asked for. And yes,

480
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,880
it gutted a lot of their depth. And we could sit here and say

481
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,239
that's also why they strolled in the
playoffs. The didn't have enough forwards.

482
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,559
It happens, you got to go
get James Harden. Last year they said

483
00:35:32,599 --> 00:35:37,199
they had too much depth, which
I actually believed they did. This year,

484
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,800
they didn't have enough. Now they
have to figure out a way to

485
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:45,320
have just enough. Was bringing guys
potentially bringing guys back, and it's the

486
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,079
situation that's been created is not ideal
for a lot of parties, most of

487
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:58,840
all Hello kitty Cat most of all
for PG and I don't know where it

488
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,400
goes from here. But I also
think that people should understand why each party

489
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,519
feels the way that they do.
Totally, Yeah, there's valid reasons.

490
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:13,960
Is there a scenario justin where you
think like the damage has already been done

491
00:36:14,039 --> 00:36:16,440
through sort of like the drag,
like the foot dragging and stuff of these

492
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,719
negotiations where maybe Paul George doesn't feel
as supported by the organization and even if

493
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,239
maybe he was willing to negotiate at
one point on you know, something less

494
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,039
than max that at this point,
it's sort of like a it's sort of

495
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:37,480
a scort start thing. I could
see that because that's how people are,

496
00:36:37,639 --> 00:36:43,239
right, is like, I mean, I'd be furious as like as a

497
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,320
person, I'd be furious. At
the end of the day, we are

498
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,039
people and we have feelings. This
is what I wrote, like, we

499
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:55,280
have feelings, and the second you
feel disrespected, betrayed, valued less than

500
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:00,800
you think you are, whether monetarily
or other wise. I do think it

501
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,440
plays a factor. I would not
be shocked that if he just was like

502
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,039
I I I don't want to go
back. I can't do that because I

503
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:14,719
do think there is an interesting dynamic
here where he returns whatever deal he returns

504
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,960
on, but especially if he returns
on a lesser deal, the ki dealer

505
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,679
lower. I do think there's an
interesting dynamic at play where he returns on

506
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,840
something like that, and then guys
in the I'm not saying guys in the

507
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,360
locker room would do this, but
I could see guys in the locker room

508
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:36,679
being like, what the hell was
all this all along for? Like you

509
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:43,119
just now, most athletes they understand
its business. They get it. They're

510
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,679
not gonna obviously ostracize him and shut
him right. But one of the benefits

511
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:52,000
of being on the oldest team everyone
understands, they get it. Wisdom,

512
00:37:52,519 --> 00:38:00,360
wisdom, Yeah, bro, wisdom, Max. It wouldn't shock me if

513
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,880
there's some animal, not an I
don't Also, he is too big of

514
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:07,159
a too strong of a word.
Just weird, Yeah, Like the vibes

515
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,000
are weird. Yeah, they feel
very weird right now. That is that's

516
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:14,559
the most Yeah, don't let anyone
tell you the vibes on that team were

517
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:20,119
great all year. There weren't great
stretches, you know, but there is

518
00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:24,119
some weirdness that happened, and you
know, the people who know know,

519
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:29,280
and that's what it is, and
so isn't to say it the vibes can't

520
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,280
improve and camaraderie and chemistry can't get
better. It was just a very weird

521
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,199
season. I do think the free
agency stuff played a lot of part or

522
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:42,000
a lot of factors into this,
and you know it. The only thing

523
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,000
I can say is it is what
it is like, it's this was the

524
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,320
situation they were put into, they
put themselves into, and you know,

525
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,239
Kawhi signed his deal. PG was
left in the cold. And that's why

526
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:58,599
we're at where we're at. Here
we are because the PG signs his extension

527
00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,719
first, No no one cares because
they know Kawi is coming. Right when

528
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,440
Kawai signed. It was very strange
because I know for a fact the general

529
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,880
thought among people when that happened was, Okay, the PG extentsion will be

530
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,280
coming shortly because you got this one
done. But the longer it went on

531
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,679
and then you find out they stop
negotiations at the All Star break, it's

532
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,119
a little it's a little strange.
Not to say he can't come back,

533
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,840
obviously, but it's just the longer
it's gone on, the less optimism I

534
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,599
think there has been externally that things
will be figured out between both parties internally.

535
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,599
That's a beautiful way to put it. I think you're totally right on

536
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:44,320
that. My favorite tweet. We're
gonna move on to the Jeff Van Gundy

537
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,239
stuff on the SEC, but my
favorite tweet I saw about the Paul George

538
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,039
thing was someone was like, the
Clippers just need to they need to,

539
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,599
you know, get Paul George if
the option you can trade him, and

540
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:54,719
then they just need a solid ten
man rotation. And I was like,

541
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,280
Yeah, you nailed it, man, Let's just build. Let's build a

542
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:05,000
ten man They can really do some
good things. All right. Coming up,

543
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,480
we're talking Jeff van Gundy hired his
lead assistant. But before that,

544
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,119
we have some ads for the audio
listeners. So if that's been the case

545
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:13,719
for you, go ahead and turn
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546
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,639
and then everyone's favorite Jeff Van Gundy
talk coming up in three two one.

547
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,119
All right, welcome back into Clips
and Dip. If you missed it,

548
00:40:23,159 --> 00:40:29,280
I was booted earlier for for eating
my Chips and Dips, So stay tuned

549
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,679
for the next segment to know what
everyone has got going on, because you

550
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,519
don't want to miss it. Oh, it was worth it, buddy.

551
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,360
But anyway, we talked a little
bit about the Paul George stuff. Now,

552
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,320
I mean the biggest piece of news
really surrounding the Clippers spear at the

553
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:47,639
moment is a new hiring Jeff Van
Gundy added to the coaching staff justin I'm

554
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:52,480
curious your thoughts on this. It
was this the most logical Was this the

555
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,800
most logical option after Dan Craig's departure
or was this something that was even on

556
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,880
your radar? It was a little
bit out of left field, at least

557
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:05,000
for me. I didn't know it
was coming. I I know that Jeff

558
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,639
had been Like there was the rumors
obviously that Jeff had been ready to come

559
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:13,079
back into coaching, and I've been
approached by several teams. I didn't know

560
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,000
the Clippers were going to be one
of them. I knew there was gonna

561
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,639
be a coaching higher for the Clippers
just because Dan had left. Like obviously,

562
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,159
you know you connect nominal or yeah, connects. Oh, I didn't.

563
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,159
I didn't think of Jeff. But
Jeff makes sense. Him and Tie.

564
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,519
You know, Tye has an agency
over the coaching highers, so him

565
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:37,400
and ty go back twenty years.
Jeff coached him with the Houston Rockets for

566
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,480
half a season. They've been in
USA Basketball together. They've been close at

567
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:46,280
USA Basketball there. Obviously they bounce
stuff off each other. It's not a

568
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,000
crazy thing that Jeff Benny's back in
coaching. I think. The only thing

569
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:53,679
that's crazy to some people he just
hasn't coached in the NBA since two thousand

570
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,159
and seven. But he's been around
USA Basketball for years. You know,

571
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:01,639
he's coached USA Basketball. It's not
like he just took a, you know,

572
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:06,559
a seventeen year sabbatical. I just
went out to the desert. That

573
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,840
would be kind of rad though,
the Phil Jackson experience, go out to

574
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,159
the desert, you know. But
you know, I mean, it makes

575
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:19,360
sense. Van Gundy, I believe
he's sixty two. It's not like,

576
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,199
you know, he's he's learned.
This guy has grown in the game basically

577
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:29,599
his whole life and has seen the
game up close his whole life and has

578
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,639
seen the new age of players,
especially at USA Basketball. He knows how

579
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:35,960
to relate to them, he knows
how to coach him, he knows how

580
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,440
to get through to them. He
understands the game. That's happening at this

581
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:43,400
present time, and I think he
brings fresh ideas. I don't think there's

582
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,039
anything wrong with a guy who hasn't
been a coach in the NBA for you

583
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:50,800
know, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen
years coming in to give you some fresh

584
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,880
eyes. I don't think that's bad. I think I think it should be

585
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,280
celebrated in a lot of in a
lot of circles. And you know,

586
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,559
I mean, number one thing,
there's no salary cap coaches, so you

587
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,679
could pay whatever you want for them, and you could build the best staff

588
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,360
that you wants. What they did
when Ty first got here. You know,

589
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,840
they had Kenny, they had Kenny
Atkinson, Dan Craig had all these

590
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:15,559
got Chauncey Phillips, they had all
these guys crazy Kenny's Kenny Atkinson's up for

591
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,159
head coaching jobs in the last couple
of years, including this year, Chauncey's

592
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,400
been at Portland. Dan moved to
Chicago to have a more streamlined chance to

593
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:30,239
get in a head coaching job.
You know, I'm actually interested in seeing

594
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,119
what Jeff provides. I think,
you know, as a lead assistant,

595
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:37,920
I think he's gonna have a lot
of agency over the defense Dante Jones,

596
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,800
as Law Murray of The Athletic reported, helped out with the defense, helped

597
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,960
out with the defense a lot this
past year. I think Dante is also

598
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,599
being groomed as someone who becomes an
assistant and then kind of moves up the

599
00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:52,880
coaching ladder, so to speak,
down the line in a couple of years.

600
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,000
So I think Jeff helps there.
I just think Jeff helps. I

601
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,119
you know, you lose Dan,
which is not great, but if you

602
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,159
get Jeff bang Gundy, I think
that's fine and a good hire and at

603
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,360
least puts them on a pathway to
figuring out what the hell went wrong with

604
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,639
the defense, so to speak,
because a lot wasn't great last year.

605
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,840
It wasn't all Dan Craig. If
people want to blame him, it wasn't

606
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,639
all him. You know, you
had injuries at times to your best defenders,

607
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:28,000
and you had your best defenders who, not to sound mean, just

608
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,039
didn't want to guard the best offensive
players, right, and you know you

609
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,119
had to figure it out from there. So we'll see what Jeff can do

610
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,400
at this point of their career.
Who's a better coach? Do you think

611
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,920
Jeff and Gunnie or JJ Reddick I'm
not gonna comment of the JJ thing.

612
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,800
And the only reason i'mouna say that
is because I I think there's such a

613
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,000
weirdness, especially on like social media, when a guy who's never or when

614
00:44:52,039 --> 00:44:55,360
a coach who has never been a
coach before gets hired, and it's like,

615
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,599
either you got one side of it
that's just like, oh, brilliant

616
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:02,800
mind for sure going to be a
success, And did you get the other

617
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,880
side, which is this guy suck? Yeah? I'm like, we don't

618
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,360
know. I don't know. He
sounds like a smart guy at any time

619
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,159
I listened to him talk. Does
that mean he's gonna be a great coach?

620
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,400
No? But does it mean he's
not going to be a great hitch?

621
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:21,800
No? I don't know how he
pans out. It's an unenviable position

622
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,639
for him. I think it's it's
an unenviable position. Did you guys see

623
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:30,639
the law tweet about the comparison to
Doc Rivers, which I thought was crazy?

624
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:36,079
Yeah? So Doc Rivers, you
know? Twenty three five and sixty

625
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,800
seven career minutes. Hired from broadcasting
three years after playing career as Magic head

626
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,599
coach. JJ Reddick twenty three thousand
and four nine hundred and sixty four career

627
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:49,760
minutes. Hired from broadcasting three years
after playing career as Lakers head coach and

628
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,639
Doc Also, he's the only team
he'd ever coached before the Orlando Magic was

629
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,280
the Saint Luke Tigers, his daughter's
church league team in San Antonio, So

630
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,119
there is precedent for someone coming from
broadcasting to being a coach. I think

631
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,280
one thing that hurts JJ's just the
media is so different. Now. Doc

632
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,320
didn't have a podcast, you know
what I mean, Like, that's where

633
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,639
the exposure which he needed probably to
help him get the job. I'm not

634
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,599
knocking that that was good. It's
you know, it's the twenty fiveur news

635
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,719
cycle thing. There's so much content
to dissect from people. There's freezing cold

636
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,159
takes, there's all this stuff,
and sometimes JJ comes off as a bit

637
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,880
of a prick, which so what
I will say is I saw people that

638
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,519
were just like, the Lakers' job
is a bad job, Like it's a

639
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:39,199
thankless job. Tough job. Yeah, I agree, it's a tough job.

640
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,199
However, the one benefit of taking
the Lakers job, in my opinion,

641
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:47,880
is if you fail at the Lakers
job, that doesn't kill your career.

642
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,079
Very good point. If you fail
at a Detroit job, if you

643
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:57,920
fail at a Detroit Piston job,
you're not getting another job. If you

644
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,239
fail at the Los Angeles Lakers job, are you'll get another job because you

645
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,039
were good enough for the Lakers.
Well, and Monty doesn't need another job

646
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:08,079
anymore. Thanks for the p I
respect that many done. We're done,

647
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:15,480
MANI gets my unwavering respect for Look, man, if someone threw that much,

648
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,239
if they no, no, I
won't say he's a grifter because that

649
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,519
man kept saying no and they just
kept throwing money at him. Yeah,

650
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,480
at a certain point, we're all
dumb. If we don't do sure,

651
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,960
man, I'll come here and fuck
some ship up for a couple of months

652
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:37,039
ago it goes maybe it works out. Yeah, the Van Gundy stuff,

653
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:42,280
I was looking at just the teams
that he was a full time coach of,

654
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,199
just their defensive ratings. Obviously things
were different. He had some pretty

655
00:47:46,199 --> 00:47:52,079
incredible rosters between Marcus Camby. Yeah, means guys like that that really help

656
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:58,960
your defense. He's never had a
team finish lower than eighth in defensive rating

657
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:02,880
in the league, and the second
lowest was fifth. So of all those

658
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,360
two was one two, three,
four, five, six, like ten

659
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,840
seasons or so lowis they ever finished? Was eighth? Again, that was

660
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:14,559
his head coach. But that's a
good defensive He cares about that, which

661
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:16,679
not that Dan Craig didn't. But
like, I like what you said about

662
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,800
the new ideas and like getting new
thoughts out there. It's a it's a

663
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:27,239
perfect replacement for Dan Craig. Listen, if the Clippers finished fifth in defense

664
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,440
next year, I think fans will
be okay, I think yeah, I

665
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,679
think, well I'll be losing my
mind if they finished fifth in defense.

666
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:37,920
Will you brought something up kind of
interesting last week? So I think it's

667
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:45,079
fair. As like JVG said and
acted certain ways about the modern game sometimes

668
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,480
when he was an announcer, I
don't know, Well, do you think

669
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,920
that's more of a character do you
think I think it's really it's really tough

670
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:53,320
to tell with that stuff. But
I thought, like kind of like an

671
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,960
annoying hallmark of the Jeff ban Gundy
sort of broadcast experience was him kind of

672
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,440
bemoaning the modern game. And yeah, so who knows, though, I

673
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,800
mean that is something that is something
you can fall back on and you have

674
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,920
you feel like you have a lot
of knowledge about and anytime you're trying to

675
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,920
fill air, it helps to sort
of go into your back pocket. So

676
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:16,599
it's tough for me to tell how
much of that is real. I mean,

677
00:49:16,639 --> 00:49:21,400
I'm glad that Justin brought up so
much about the Team USA basketball experience,

678
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,159
because you would think that that has
kept him pretty up to date on

679
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,559
you know, because things change,
Defensive schemes change, and obviously how you

680
00:49:28,599 --> 00:49:31,920
have to gain for certain players as
the skill explosion has kind of happened in

681
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:36,960
the league is certainly different from when
he was coaching. But yeah, I

682
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,159
mean, I was wrong on this
one. I said I didn't want it

683
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:43,800
to een and I wasn't that excited
about it. But I'm I'm I'm happy

684
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,400
to be proven wrong. Also,
what did he do on the Celtics justin?

685
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:51,599
Oh, thank you, thank you
for asking that, because I really

686
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:53,840
try not not knocking jeffan gunn to
do. But I Google. I was

687
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,960
trying to find some articles written about
what he was doing. What was he

688
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:04,199
doing other Justin you're doing? Yeah, you know away me and me and

689
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,559
Joe Mizzoula like this. Yeah,
you were with him the first time he

690
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:14,519
saw the town. Correct exactly,
which, by the way, great movie.

691
00:50:14,599 --> 00:50:16,920
I totally get why he watches it
all the time. Fantastic. My

692
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,440
one friends have a funny take on
the town that after you watch enough times

693
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,440
it just becomes a comedy. It
actually is a very funny movie, like

694
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:31,440
if you watching in the lens as
a comedy and like John Hamm is absurd.

695
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,840
And then Ben Affleck's right hand guy, I can't remember his name right

696
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:44,000
now, Jeremy Renner, Jeremy Renner, thank you, Jeremy Renner. Hilarious

697
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:47,800
in that movie, Absolutely hilarious,
hilarious. At the end of the day,

698
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,679
Ben Gundy is an interesting guy.
Uh you know, you said like

699
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,639
he would make comments about the modern
game, right like, yeah, So

700
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:07,800
I wonder I wonder if his time
away and being with Team USA and then

701
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,119
now being with the Celtics, a
team who shoots more threes than anybody else,

702
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:20,039
they just won the title doing it
obviously very switchable defense one through five,

703
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:27,840
all this stuff. I wonder if
that kind of changes his view of

704
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,079
the modern game. As for what
he did with Boston, I don't know

705
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:34,880
specifically what he did. I know
he was like a coaching consultant. I

706
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,519
don't know like anything beyond that,
I believe he and uh. I think

707
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:44,360
he and Brad Stevens were close,
and I think he and Joe Miszula were

708
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:51,239
pretty good. So I'm not exactly
sure. I don't know if Yeah,

709
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,440
it's a fair answer. He was
Again, I don't know if he's sat

710
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,239
in on team meetings and was like
this is what you gotta do. But

711
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,719
you know, I think he was
just a brain that they picked and he

712
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,199
gave insight, kind of like how
Jerry Jerry was for the Clippers, like

713
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:07,599
he was a consultants. What the
hell is he doing a lot of stuff

714
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,519
actually, so I'm sure Jeff fan
Gundy did too. We just don't ever

715
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,719
see any of it. But those
are the people you gotta worry about,

716
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,719
the ones who work in the dark. That is very true. That's a

717
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:22,480
good call. Yeah, I was
like as hyped as can be for an

718
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,400
assistant coach. Higher I guess after
this, like pretty cool, more championship

719
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,360
pedigree, new voice in the locker
room I saw. I know a bunch

720
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,599
of people on line were like,
oh, people who don't like Tylu are

721
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,880
happy that they have we have an
assistant coach who maybe can challenge some of

722
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:47,280
Tylo's bad tendencies. But I don't
really know how real that is. Yeah,

723
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:53,599
I honestly I don't. I don't
know. I I think Jeff could

724
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:59,559
because because you know, Tyne was
coached by him, So there's a there's

725
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:05,360
a chance that if Jeff tells him
something and challenges an idea, Tye will

726
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,320
take it in stride, which he
did. Yeah, yeah, t I

727
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,880
take stuff in stride. He's not
Tis not adverse to ideas, you know,

728
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:16,280
like he is able to dissect them
and go with he started, Tucker,

729
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:21,719
that is an idea, you know, it's it's one that will divide

730
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,159
people for a while. I don't
think it will divide people for a while.

731
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:30,760
I say, I understood it.
No, I yeah, I understand

732
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,079
it too. I'm not. It's
not like Kawi was healthy and the team

733
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:35,920
had a bunch of other wings they
could trot out there. He just sucks

734
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,559
at basketball. I just people are
like, that was why they lost the

735
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:43,559
series. I'm like, no,
that's not why they lost the series.

736
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,840
They lost the series for a lot
of reasons. That was like number seven

737
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:52,679
down the list. Number one was
that you didn't wear your sunglasses at every

738
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,480
game that you covered. That was
that was the one that did it.

739
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:00,960
A lot of people were talking about
that. Yeah, some set. So

740
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,599
we're saying, all right, anything
else on Jeff fan Gutni before we get

741
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:09,119
into this dip tok. I'm just
interested in in kind of what he what

742
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:15,239
he brings like, not just defensively
like I'm interested in Yeah, I won't

743
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,280
obviously we're not going to be in
the room with them, but I'm just

744
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,719
interested in just knowing kind of like
the imprint he has on not just the

745
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,760
day to day coaching process and the
sets that they run and the defense that

746
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,400
they run, but also like man
management or input on the kind of players

747
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:37,039
that they're looking for for the roster. So, you know, it's an

748
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,519
intriguing high. I don't know who
else was out there in terms of assistant

749
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,559
coach material that they could have got
to be the lead assistant obviously, you

750
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:49,199
know, I'm sure people have names
that they're interested in, but if you're

751
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,679
looking for a really big name that
carries weight, that can tell players what's

752
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,559
what, it's hard to do a
little it's hard to do better than Jeff

753
00:54:54,559 --> 00:55:00,840
ban Gundy at the point, Yeah, Vogel was a name was tossed around

754
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,320
to be an assistant coach here,
but I don't know. All right,

755
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:07,559
if no more final thoughts, We're
gonna take one very quick break and get

756
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:12,760
to this dip, which I think
we're all very excited about. All right,

757
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,960
coming up, we are talking dip
talk. We have I think we

758
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:19,920
have three fantastic dips today, which
everyone who's been listening has been wondering when

759
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,480
we're gonna hit for the triple double
U or the cycle, which is three

760
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,519
good dips. Um. We got
an audio break and then diptop coming up

761
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:31,360
in three two one. All right, welcome back into clips and dip.

762
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:37,039
You know what time it is?
Time for reviews? You know what time

763
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,000
it is? All right? Who
wants to kick this thing off? I'm

764
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,079
excited. I want Russo to Russo
is the first guess we've had to brilliant

765
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:49,239
dip on He went and got two. I'm eating one. I would vote

766
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,920
for Russo. Yeah, let's do
it. The dip that I'm not eating

767
00:55:53,480 --> 00:56:00,199
was a chunky salsa. Okay,
so why are you not eating it?

768
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,280
Because I wanted to try this other
dip. You know. The other dip

769
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:08,159
that I got is uh, plant
based buffalo style dip and actually I have

770
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,599
to say it's pretty good. What
kind of chip? Oh, it is

771
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:21,880
a organic blue corn tortilla chip from
Sprouts. Okay as hell? Damn Yeah,

772
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,960
this is a one time thing.
Let's you've seen me in the beatier

773
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,039
room. Okay, this is I
don't eat healthy. I like that you're

774
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:34,840
keeping inconsistent with the buffalo dip because
last time you said you can't go wrong

775
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,519
with a like a buffalo chicken bit. Yeah. Once I saw this,

776
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,840
I was sold. And let me
tell you, I was skeptical. I'm

777
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,079
not skeptical anymore. This is good. You'd bring it to it? But

778
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:49,679
would you bring it to a barbecue? I think I would. I think

779
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,760
I would, But I wouldn't put
it in the packaging that it's in because

780
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,679
I wouldn't want people to know it's
plant based, just because you know,

781
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,199
if people are gonna have like a
like a kind of thought behind it,

782
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,000
like they're snobby about that stuff.
You know. Yes, that is fair.

783
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,280
I have a fun if I brought
it, if I brought it down

784
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,119
to like La area, they might
actually enjoy this because it is plant based.

785
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,559
Everyone, you're like fifty miles away. Yeah, I'm not actually in

786
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,960
La People don't know that, but
I'm not What is your address? For

787
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:22,559
those watching, it's six six six
as well. All right, so we

788
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,360
got one for one on a good
dip? Will would you like to go

789
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,119
next? Are you feeling good about
yours? Yeah, I'm feeling good about

790
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:31,280
mine. I'm not gonna show it
on camera because it looks a little weird.

791
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:36,519
Uh, It's something I whipped up. Show it, Okay, this

792
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:40,079
is why people watched the pod instead
of just listening. That looks like a

793
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:46,760
dip. That's that's a mixed dip. Yeah, this is what am I

794
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:52,679
calling this? I guess like a
keto kso which all keto is? I

795
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:57,880
think I think all caso is keto. Anyways, but uh i uh,

796
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:04,000
I took some time this seasoning and
some firm tofu microwave that up. Normally

797
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:06,800
i'd brown in a pan like a
normal person, but I didn't have a

798
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:08,480
lot of time. I was running
late for the podcast as per usual.

799
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,079
Uh. And then to bet I
added some queso uh, and some scallions

800
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,119
and a little bit of salsa and
I'm eating it with these Kroger brands.

801
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,440
Uh pork, just original player,
just just playing, just keeping it,

802
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,519
just keeping it playing, but it
is delightful, I gotta tell you.

803
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:29,039
Like I said, there's a couple
of moms I would make if I gave

804
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:32,280
myself more than five minutes to put
it together. But yeah, I would

805
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,880
definitely bring this to a barbecue.
The look is a little weird, but

806
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,880
I think it would be improved if
I if I had like browned it in

807
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,320
the oven. I mean, it
looks great, it sounds awesome. Yeah,

808
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,079
that's awesome. So it looks like
a bowl of scrambled eggs. Though,

809
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:52,760
if I'm doing perfectly fair. To
be fair, most dips don't look

810
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,760
like the most esthetically pleasing thing in
the world, right, that's fair.

811
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,360
Some dips are sexy, Yeah,
we need to Those are the showers.

812
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:07,320
Those are the showers, not the
eas not the lists, Yeah, not

813
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,400
the ones doing all the real work. Those are the show dips, all

814
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,000
right. So I went the chip. I'm using just a classic Ruffles original.

815
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:17,760
Nothing crazy there. Oh, one
second, before I get to my

816
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,800
dip, we need to give a
shout out to the four people who listened

817
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,880
to our last episode who then went
and bought the Chip of the Summer,

818
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:30,400
which is the Lay's Cuban sandwich chip. I hope everyone had a great time.

819
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:34,320
Lay's we're clearly moving the needle.
We review dips. We would love

820
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:39,039
some free product. Hey, maybe
you'll get the next Lays commercial with that

821
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:43,440
would be Yeah, that would be
great. I think that is the next

822
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:50,400
step. So I went, I
got a classic ruffles my dip. I

823
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,239
just I scoured the internet for a
recipe. This one is called the dunk.

824
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:00,199
This dip is called the Dunk dip
in their family. This is you

825
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:06,639
got cream cheese, blue cheese,
grated shallat Worcestershire, hot sauce, and

826
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:13,480
black pepper. And this this is
phenomenal dip. I'm gonna tell everyone that's

827
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,719
actually my family recipe when I take
it to barbecues instead of something I looked

828
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,639
up on the internet. But I
love this dip. It's I made way

829
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,920
too much of it. But yeah, I would give this dip ten out

830
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:30,639
of ten barbecues. Let's see it. It looks looks like a dip you

831
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,000
know that looks like you know what
that looks like. That looks like one

832
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,480
of those like uh, the like
the sour cream style dips. Yes,

833
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,639
cream onion, that's the one I
was thinking of. And you can also

834
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,960
make this. Instead of blue cheese, you could try gorganzola, which was

835
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,119
a suggestion that I also saw.
But I'm not mad at this dip.

836
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:52,360
I'm pretty satisfied with how it turned
out. So congrats to all of us

837
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:58,719
for grated shallatts. Yeah, shallots
are a great thing to throw in dishes.

838
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:01,480
By the way, They're incredible.
This dip hits all the food pyramid

839
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:07,719
too, I think. But congrats
to us for great dips on a Friday

840
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,000
evening. I don't think there's many. There's not a lot of better ways

841
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,079
to spend the Clippers off season than
eating a great dip on a Frida.

842
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:16,840
To be fair to you, I
did not know that today was a Friday

843
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,039
until about three hours ago. Wow. That tells you. That tells you

844
01:01:21,079 --> 01:01:25,360
where I'm at with this off season. Yeah. Well, Russo, thank

845
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,840
you so much for coming on this
pod. Thank you for elevating what guests

846
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,519
are supposed to do on this pod
by bringing a dip. What can you

847
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:37,599
say, I'm a floor raiser,
Absolutely, absolutely a floor raiser. I'm

848
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:45,159
the blue guy exactly. You had
the toughest transition take out. Yeah,

849
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,840
We're going to be back next week
with all three of us talking We're probably

850
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,719
gonna do an episode after the draft
so we can talk about whatever aged college

851
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,519
player the Clippers have decided to go
with at pick forty six. I'm sure

852
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:00,599
justin Russo you are you gonna have
any draft stuff coming out on your substack.

853
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,519
I did one about like five or
five players that I was looking at,

854
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:08,559
but I will based on whoever they
draft. So, I mean,

855
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:15,800
the draft is a weird time.
This draft is weird because it apparently well,

856
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:19,280
no, just because it's like the
first draft, first draft of the

857
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:23,800
new CBA, right, so like
the Clippers can't trade money to get a

858
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:30,360
second rounder beyond what they have.
Like, it's just it's weird. I

859
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,840
don't know, it's weird. Lucas
Hahn had the right tweet the other yesterday,

860
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,360
had rather the right tweet yesterday where
he said they should have implemented the

861
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:45,320
CBA like a couple of years later
to allow teams to kind of get used.

862
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:51,960
Yeah, like they just they just
went right into it and holy crap.

863
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:55,199
Yeah, trying to figure out everything
about it. I envy the the

864
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,960
cat people that are doing all the
leg work because this is this is brute.

865
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,599
It's too much. Where can people
find your substack so they can read

866
01:03:02,639 --> 01:03:09,480
about whatever aged big man the Clippers
take. You can go to Justin Russo

867
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:14,760
dot substack dot com. You can
follow me on Twitter at fly by Night,

868
01:03:15,199 --> 01:03:20,440
f L y B y K and
I T E. I'm apologized to

869
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,119
people if you see me tweeting about
soccer. Soccer's going on all the time

870
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:29,519
now because of Euro of twenty twenty
four and Copa America. So it's all

871
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:36,719
soccer all day, every day,
and basketball sometimes sprinkled in because we got

872
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:38,599
to do that too, you know, we got to do it. Oh,

873
01:03:38,679 --> 01:03:44,360
go ahead, I will say this. I'm actually excited for summer league

874
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:46,440
we got. Yeah. I mean, I hope ky Jones can show that

875
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:51,239
he's a good backup five. It's
not even that, like I'm actually excited

876
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:55,000
just to see new players and kind
of just see like the I know people

877
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:59,159
say this drafts not great, but
I'm actually excited to see these guys.

878
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,000
I always like when there's like a
not great draft, it usually just means

879
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,880
that there's like kind of a handful
of guys who become like pretty okay to

880
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:10,039
solid role guys, which is a
pretty good draft. Yeah. I don't

881
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:14,079
think there's anything bad, like the
bust rate on or the quote unquote bust

882
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:17,199
rate on a lot of guys in
the draft is awful. Like you're lucky

883
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:20,760
if you hit a bus, right, Yeah, if you're lucky if you

884
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,320
hit a superstar in the draft.
Right. But I think it's okay if

885
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,519
you pick a guy and he's a
good role player, Like that's fine,

886
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:31,199
that's what you're a lot. Finding
superstars is hard, as as Lawrence Francas

887
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:35,960
said, finding superstars is the hard
part, or it's the easy part hard

888
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:40,599
parts building, Like you gotta do
all the stuff, so you gotta find

889
01:04:40,599 --> 01:04:42,800
the role players. And that's why
I'm kind of curious about this draft.

890
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:46,119
Maybe there's a guy in the draft
who gets picked, you know, twentieth

891
01:04:46,199 --> 01:04:50,559
or later, who becomes a superstar, as usually happens in almost every draft.

892
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:56,760
Maybe it's forty six. Who knows, stranger has happened? Will Where

893
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:02,280
can these fantastic listeners find or p
apps review this podcast? Yeah, so

894
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,039
you can check out this podcast on
YouTube dot com. Slash at Clippers podcast

895
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:10,840
probably the best way to check it
out. You can see these dips live

896
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,559
in person. You can listen wherever
you get your podcasts. If you listen

897
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:17,239
over on Apple or Spotify a little
word in your review. But however you

898
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:20,920
consume this podcast, we appreciate you. We know what I do do.

899
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:27,320
What do you do? I put
your guys' podcast on my TV on YouTube

900
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,400
by the way, Hell yeah,
dude, I really do. Like I

901
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,880
put it on my TV and while
I'm playing Football Manager, I'll just watch

902
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:41,719
it and it's just great. So
yeah, I support the YouTube thing.

903
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,400
It's it's great for people to kind
of watch and follow along because you can

904
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,960
listen. You don't have to watch
it all the time. Gives you an

905
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,079
avenue if you want to. So
yeah, send us a picture if you

906
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:55,360
watch this on a TV. And
if you have the biggest TV that you're

907
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,360
watching us on, we'll send you
something. We've seen a pretty big TV

908
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,159
already. Oh yeah, we had. Yeah, thank you Aron for hanging

909
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:06,440
out. Adam's not here to give
us one positive thing, so there's not

910
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:11,599
gonna be one. Chuck. Wait, I gotta do a positive thing.

911
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:15,639
Okay, Justin has one ready,
let it fly, Justin. I don't

912
01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:19,000
usually have positive things in my back
pocket. The positive thing that I have

913
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:25,760
they've won, was it thirteen straight
consecutive seasons? Yes, I think no

914
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,480
matter what happens, they get to
fourteen, there we go. I think

915
01:06:29,519 --> 01:06:33,239
they ride that wave. I think
I think they're teflon for winning seasons.

916
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:38,360
I think I think I think it's
continuing no matter what. There we go.

917
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,119
We're riding the wave of continuous winning
seasons. We're gonna be back next

918
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,039
week and there's gonna be a it's
gonna be a new season next week because

919
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,360
the draft is here. So we're
all excited for season three and whatever improvements

920
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:51,079
come with that, maybe make We'll
make Lucas Hahn give us more money for

921
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:55,480
season three. That's not how it
works, but we can say you got

922
01:06:55,559 --> 01:07:00,639
to watch out. A lot of
shows are getting cut off after you step

923
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,360
there. But we again, thank
you everybody, and we'll be back next

924
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,280
week and as always, let's go
clips