WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:07.480 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:14.640 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions katz R 3 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:19.039 two side at iHeartRadio station. We cannot be completed far. Oh no, 4 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:22.519 we thought your directory and call again. You have to call him again. 5 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:26.280 Well he Well, we're off to a great start walking around the ball here 6 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:29.760 on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve. I'm not Steve Rivera, I'm 7 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:34.880 Ja Gonzalez. Steve is on the road to uh Salt Lake City, and 8 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:38.640 we are trying to We had him on the phone a minute ago and we 9 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.920 don't now, but we're gonna get him back on the phone, and he's 10 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.759 going to be here for the first segment as we're trying to pull this together. 11 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.600 He was there second ago, so we must have dropped the call. 12 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:52.039 All right, Sorry, sorry about that great radio to get this to get 13 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.000 off to a great start. But Steve has headed to Salt Lake City. 14 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:57.479 He's gonna be there all week. We're gonna get him on the phone as 15 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.079 much as we can, and we're trying to get him right now. We 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.079 can talk about what we want to talk about. Obviously we're all full of 17 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.959 NC Double A tournament stuff. Uh, and the lease is here coming off 18 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.920 of spring break and all kinds of other things. So welcome back. Thank 19 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.159 you, it's good to be back there. We go, Okay, so 20 00:01:14.319 --> 00:01:17.239 we're gonna we're we're working the phone here, So go ahead and get him 21 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:21.200 on the line, and at least and in the meantime, we'll I'll just 22 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:26.480 keep talking. We've got uh, we've got a great show today. Very 23 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:32.519 honored that we're going to have the chair of the NC Double A Tournament Selection 24 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:37.280 Committee, Charles McClelland, coming into I on the ball to talk about the 25 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:40.519 bracket. You know, we're not you know, I'm sure he's heard plenty 26 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:45.719 of complaining about different different things. Uh. What we're gonna do is just 27 00:01:45.760 --> 00:01:48.640 talk to him a little bit about what. Now, the bracket's done, 28 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.879 the tournament is starting, and in fact, uh, just after we get 29 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.519 him on the on on the show at at three point fifteen, the first 30 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.159 first four game is going to start between Howard and Wagner, I'll just find 31 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:05.120 out. You know what happens. Now you've got the bracket done, all 32 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.639 the complaining should be over with the dust should have settled what happens with the 33 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:13.919 tournament? What you know, what is what is the chairman's job? Uh 34 00:02:14.080 --> 00:02:16.759 and uh and all those kinds of things. And then at in the second 35 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:22.919 hour at four fifteen, we're gonna have Ryan Radkey. Well we'll come on 36 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:27.080 and he was at the PAC twelve tournament doing the doing the games for Westwood 37 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:32.639 one Sports. And then he's gonna be up and Spokane for uh for the 38 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:37.840 for the tournament, uh, the first and second rounds up there. So 39 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:39.759 a lot of you know, a lot of stuff to talk about it. 40 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:47.960 It should be fun looking forward again to talking to uh uh Charles McClelland uh, 41 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:53.039 he's uh again. They had a tough job, a lot of complaining 42 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.479 about it, as there always is. And we'll just see, you know 43 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:59.000 how you know, how do you take that when you're when you're in his 44 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:00.919 his shoes and it's a it's a big job that they have. So we'll 45 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.319 see what he's got to say about about all of that. So we're gonna 46 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:07.639 have try and try and get Steve to call us to see if that works. 47 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:10.560 I don't know if he's in the hills somewhere. We will must be 48 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:14.360 in the hills on the way to Salt Lake City. We were hoping for 49 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:15.719 the best that he might be able to get get on the show. But 50 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:20.000 and at least what we're talking a second ago. You've seen the bracket. 51 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:22.879 You said, you've already done some brackets. I've done a few brackets. 52 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.319 Yeah, what what's your thinking right now? Should I pull him up? 53 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:29.439 Sure? Tell us what you got because I've not done any of mine. 54 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:32.120 I tend to wait till Wednesday night. You know, the first four games 55 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:37.120 are over with. Okay, we'll do another one too, because I have 56 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:40.080 different pools. I have a pool with like a TV, my work pools, 57 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.919 my friends. Then we may do you do, so I have to 58 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.240 have two right now, but I will probably make another one in my family 59 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.719 pool. I have to pick Arizona because I'm over. I used to do 60 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:53.759 this every year. I was like, I'm good, I'm not gonna pick 61 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.159 Arizona to go far at all because I don't want to jinx it. But 62 00:03:57.199 --> 00:04:01.800 I just feel like everyone probably does that. And yeah, I'm undecided. 63 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:05.159 You know how often or how many times I'm gonna have Arizona in the final 64 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:12.719 four. I think I usually in probably three or four pools now to remind 65 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.040 all of our listeners. Oh here, I think Steve is right there. 66 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:28.160 Steve is that you? Hello? Hello Steve? Oh Man. Okay, 67 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.240 Uh try it again, Steve, if you're listening, give us another shot. 68 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.519 I'm not sure what's going on here, but we'll we'll keep trying. 69 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:41.360 But I get in three or four pools, maybe one more. Because I 70 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:45.120 was about to remind our listeners. We've put up a bracket for our listeners. 71 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:47.959 You get the winner gets the honor of having dinner with Steve and I. 72 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.240 We take you out to a Mexican restaurant here in town. We did 73 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:56.319 that a couple of years ago. Uh. Actually one of the winners was 74 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.040 a guy, a friend of ours. He went to he went to high 75 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.639 school with my with my kid, who the football player at the ov A. 76 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:06.800 Uh. Actually he was out of there, but he had played football 77 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.560 at He was a big dude. I joked that he ate pretty much the 78 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.720 left side of the menu at minivito and cost us a pretty penny. But 79 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.800 we're gonna do that again. How do we join? I joined, Yep, 80 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:23.319 you can join it. The pool is set up. It's pinned to 81 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.000 the top of our Twitter page and the top of our Facebook page. If 82 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.680 you go to our profile on either one of those, there's a link there. 83 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:36.759 It's to a it's to a site called bracket uh something or other bracket 84 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:41.079 fanatics dot com. You go in, fill out the form, fill out 85 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.879 a fill out a bracket, and Winter gets dinner. And if you're if 86 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:46.800 you're listening to us from out of town and you win, the pool will 87 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:53.120 send you a fifty dollars gift card to whatever restaurant you want wherever you live. 88 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.800 So you're not gonna win a bunch of money, but it's just gonna 89 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.240 be fun. We're gonna talk about it on the show. You can do 90 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:01.519 it, We'll have we'll have dat's I mean that stats, we'll you know, 91 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:06.360 post standings. Uh. We'll talk about it on the show. The 92 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:10.399 way we did it. The very first time we did it, we said, 93 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.360 if you beat us, you get dinner. Fortunately, Steve had a 94 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.079 good bracket and only a couple of people beat us, so we didn't have 95 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.120 to buy dinner for everybody. Sometimes they I feel like the more you know, 96 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:24.839 the more you're it's, your bracket's gonna be worse. It's hard, 97 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:30.160 right, there's gonna be so many unpredictable things that happen. Yeah, I 98 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:33.199 feel like we we so often outsmart ourselves. Right, you try and pick 99 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.839 this upset, that upset doesn't happen, but this other one over here does. 100 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.360 And that's where you know, you know, to get a perfect bracket. 101 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.839 I haven't heard it's like a billion billion. Yeah, it's a billion 102 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.399 and change or something like that. No, it's crazy. I was reading 103 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:53.040 an article today about the guy that had the no one's ever had a perfect 104 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.600 bracket and no one probably ever will, but about the guy who had the 105 00:06:56.639 --> 00:07:00.480 closest one, like a few years ago, right, and it was just 106 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.160 funny like reading about him and he just kind of didn't even remember doing it, 107 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:09.079 and he's, you know, getting all these messages like that he's had 108 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:13.839 the closest to perfect bracket. Yeah, No, it's a I you know, 109 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.040 it's funny because it's like you feel like, on the first day, 110 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.720 you just want to hit most of the games, right, just be in 111 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:28.399 it and not have like one region where you've lost you know, five of 112 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.920 the eight teams or you know or six of the you know. It just 113 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:39.240 it's just crazy and I hate doing that. I've won one pool long time 114 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.439 ago, me too. I was like fourteen, I won my family pool. 115 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.360 I won money. Yeah, I probably won like twars. No, 116 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:49.000 I actually run kind of a very strange pool because it's not a bracket. 117 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:55.759 You pick eight teams and then based on the seed, you get points for 118 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.399 t win, and it's whoever gets the most points. So if it's like 119 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.600 a number one, you wouldn't get right. The way we break it down 120 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:05.120 is number one and two seeds get one, three and four get two and 121 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:11.319 so on. So uh, fifteen and sixteen seeds get eight points for a 122 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:16.199 win. It's funny to see the strategies that people have on that, because 123 00:08:16.240 --> 00:08:18.439 you see people pick all right, they pick a bunch of try and score 124 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.959 a bunch of points in the first in the first couple of rounds, and 125 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:28.079 then hang on for dear life. Then you have others who spread their yeah, 126 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.480 you know, and then the way the scoring goes is it's it's you 127 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:33.159 get those number of points in the first weekend, you multiply by two in 128 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:37.000 the second weekend, multiply by three in the third weekend. I've seen I've 129 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.080 seen people win both ways. I've seen people who get take some chalk try 130 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:45.519 and get some upsets, they get lucky with the upsets, and then who 131 00:08:45.519 --> 00:08:48.639 do you do that for? Uh, that's just spread. I've just been 132 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.559 running it for a while with friends and stuff like that. It's a lot 133 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.279 of fun. That's fun. It's a different pool. It's a buddy of 134 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:58.559 mine that worked for a department store chain. That was the pool that they 135 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.240 did. And then when you're said, let's do this one. This is 136 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:05.080 fun and we've been doing it for many years. But you still have to 137 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.919 do the regular rock. Yeah I do, I do. I probably do 138 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.600 three regular brackets and then that how far are you picking Arizona? I haven't 139 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.679 decided. I know, I know, probably at least in a couple of 140 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:22.559 them. I'll put Arizona in the final four. And then I'll have one. 141 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:26.720 Yeah, I'll have one without they can do it, Yeah they can. 142 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.039 Well that's it. And you know, and again, and I think 143 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:33.000 a friend of mine, okay, and I tell this story at this time 144 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.679 every year, very close friend of mine. Guy went to high school with 145 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:37.799 guy, the guy who was at that department store chain that brought us to 146 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.879 that pool. So just a die hard fan Arizona fan. He's the guy 147 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:46.000 that rushed the court with me. I told you about the time we rushed 148 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.360 the guest for the ul A game. That guy. Okay, that's how 149 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:54.480 big a fan he is. Every year, without fail, puts Arizona to 150 00:09:54.519 --> 00:10:00.519 win the national Championship in a bunch of brackets without fail. In n ninety 151 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.679 seven, he did not. He did not even get Arizona to the final 152 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.000 four in any of his brackets. And that was the year they won it. 153 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.919 And he's never forgiven himself for it. We give him crap about it 154 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:15.360 every time. Well, he would he rather have them, he'd rather have 155 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:16.600 them win though. Yeah, he was happy they won, but he was 156 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.799 like the one time that I don't take him. And I'm not saying he 157 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:22.159 just would get him the final four. He would pick him to win at 158 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.720 all, year in and year out, and then they win it and he 159 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:30.559 didn't have them. Yeah, my brother puts Arizona every year that I've been 160 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.080 here. Yeah, you know, I'll pick him to win the national Championship. 161 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.799 I'm sure I'll pick him to get to the final four and maybe not 162 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:41.320 win the national Championship. I think at a minimum, I'm gonna have him 163 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:45.559 going to the lead eight in my Yeah, in my bracket that I like 164 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.480 put the most thought into. No bias. Well, I mean there's always 165 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.600 going to be a little biased, but yeah, I have them in the 166 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.240 lead eight losing to UNC, which it's really hard for me to say that, 167 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.559 oh loud. I actually I take it back. Yeah, I hate 168 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:05.399 you. You are you are a dookie family, So absolutely I wouldn't Mom, 169 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.360 you don't listen to you. You You taking North Carolina would be like 170 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.039 me taking a s U. So I get it. Yeah. So but 171 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.159 this was like my one that I'm this is like the one where I this 172 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:20.799 is my best becket no bias in the final four. In the final four, 173 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:24.519 I have Connecticut, U n C, Kentucky Tennessee. And then I 174 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:33.519 say that again, Connecticut U n C. Okay, Kentucky and Kentucky wow 175 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.759 in Tennessee all right. And then I have Kentucky UNC. I can't believe 176 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:41.759 I'm saying this live Kentucky you n C and Kentucky winning. Wow. Okay. 177 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.039 I've actually seen a lot of articles that have Kentucky going far. There's 178 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:48.159 a lot of people who are who are saying that about them, and uh 179 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:52.840 three A three seed is like has a lot of good potential yeah, yeah, 180 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.360 no, no doubt. I mean, and again, as we've been 181 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.320 saying all year long, there's eight, ten, twelve teams that can win 182 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.440 this thing. And then you know, and that's not even counting for a 183 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:07.600 San Diego State or Miami or an Fau coming along and out of nowhere and 184 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:11.320 getting up into the final four. When you think about the teams that you 185 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:16.759 say, Okay, these teams can win it. We're talking a dozen. 186 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.159 Do you think Arizona's in that? Yeah, Oh, absolutely think Arizona's in 187 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:22.720 that. I think Kentucky's in there. I think Duke is in there. 188 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:28.799 I think Houston, North Carolina obviously, Yukon, Purdue, Tennessee. I 189 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.679 mean, there's a whole bunch of them. You know. I put all 190 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:37.120 one and two seeds I think can win it, all of them. Three 191 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.519 seeds I don't know I got I'd have to look at a bracket again to 192 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.600 see what I think of the of the of the three seeds and the four 193 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:48.200 seeds. I don't think you go when you're predicting. I don't think you 194 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.919 go much deeper than I'm thinking going. You know, if you can pick 195 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:54.000 a five seed, right, yeah, I think you're you're you know you're 196 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:58.960 up again. What do you think about this whole McNeice going. I mean, 197 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:01.679 they're never even heard of them. Yeah, well, I mean you 198 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.200 hear of them, but they're one of those teams that gets in as a 199 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:09.000 sixteen seed every year. Right. But you know, I look at I 200 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.919 look at the four seats, Auburn, Alabama. Let me see on the 201 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.639 other side, Auburn, Alabama, Kansas, Duke. You know, you 202 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.759 go and say why not, but you're not. I'm not going to pick 203 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.279 any of those guys to win at all because I'm not going to go deeper 204 00:13:26.320 --> 00:13:31.159 than the three seed. But do you know, Douke, can't all those 205 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:35.000 teams can Alabama, Auburn, you know, Kansas if they're if they get 206 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.960 their their injury problems fixed, of course they can't. So I think I 207 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.600 had Kansas going far in another one of my rockets, to the final four, 208 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.240 maybe to the lading, I think to the leaders. Yeah, but 209 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.279 you know, look, if you don't have Yukon into the final four, 210 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:56.120 you're just making a huge mistake. Going back to back though, that's crazy. 211 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:01.440 Has anyone ever done that? Yeah? I think Floorlorida, Florida went 212 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:05.080 back to back in the mid two thousands. But that was the last time. 213 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.840 I think I'll stay too rare in two thousand and four, four or 214 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:11.440 five, something like that. That's just so rare, incredibly rare, incredibly 215 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:15.320 rare. All right, Well, Steve has not been able to call in. 216 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:18.080 He's been able to send in a couple of texts, and the thing 217 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.080 keeps dropping, so we're not gonna be able to get him for now. 218 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.159 Try and get him on the backside. Coming right up, Charles McClelland, 219 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:30.480 the chair of the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee. We'll get some of his insight, 220 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.440 a little bit on you know, how it went, but more looking 221 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:35.519 forward, you know what happens now, how do they feel about the bracket 222 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.200 that they put together? And we'll get some of his thoughts. So stick 223 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.480 around for Charles McClelland make the right choice for your home when it comes to 224 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:46.399 windows and doors. For more than twenty years, the Window Depot has provided 225 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.399 the best price and biggest inventory on in stock windows and doors. The window 226 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:54.279 Depots open to the public, so whether you're a homeowner or a contractor, 227 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.360 you can shop the enormous warehouse. 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And we're honored to have Charles 299 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:17.839 McClelland uh the chair of the NCAA Basketball Tournament Selection Committee, also the Southwestern 300 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:22.359 Athletic Conference Commissioner Charles is In is in Dayton right now getting ready to watch 301 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:26.279 the first four game. Get this tournament kicked off that you've had such a 302 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.920 big role in as the commissioner. First of all, to Charles's welcome, 303 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.880 thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Hey, no 304 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:34.599 problem, and thank both of you for having me on the show. Well, 305 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.440 we appreciate it. You know, let's let's let me just get the 306 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.759 back part of it out of the way. And I saw you, you 307 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:44.519 know, a number of times talk about how this was a really hard, 308 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.400 hard bracket to put together. You talked about the I don't know if you 309 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.640 call them bid steelers, that's what we call them, but the unexpected bids 310 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.519 that came and the difficulty of that. How do you feel about this bracket 311 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.480 now? Maybe after the dust has settled for a couple of days. You 312 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:03.200 know, we feel really really good about the bracket. One of the intriguing 313 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:07.920 things this year about college basketball, and we said this time and time again, 314 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:14.000 is the parody. There's a lot of parody in college basketball. You 315 00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:18.160 can point to the transfer portal, so teams have the ability to go out 316 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:23.000 and plug holes with individuals that can come in and immediately contribute. You know, 317 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:27.160 part of the issue when you get down to those last seas, those 318 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:32.319 bubble teams, is that all of those have you know, some sort of 319 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.519 lump on their resume, and what you're trying to do is sort to do 320 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:41.880 differentiate between you know, all of those teams and to be able to have 321 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:45.519 all of the bids that are supposed to be available to you helps that process. 322 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:51.240 What hurt us and what made it more difficult this go around was that 323 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:55.759 five of those bids actually were taken away from us, so you know, 324 00:21:56.119 --> 00:22:00.200 it left an absorbent number of teams out there. One of the things that 325 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:06.319 we looked at and analyzed was over the last three years, that's only been 326 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:11.319 two beds stolen in total over three years, and we had five this year, 327 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:12.599 so that's a big number. Well, they did a just in time 328 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.680 for you to be the chair of the committee, right, you know, 329 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:18.880 I thought the same thing out all of the years, while this year so 330 00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:23.920 this is you've been on the committee since twenty nineteen. Aside from that, 331 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:29.160 is it kind of the same process every year. Do you go through all 332 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:33.480 the same things, have all the same angst that type of thing. You 333 00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.920 know, how is it year to year? You know, the process is 334 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:41.559 pretty standard. The NCAA does a pretty good job of setting forth our principles 335 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:47.119 and procedures. You know, we have an enormous amount of data that's available 336 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:51.039 to us, and as long as you stick with the process, you know, 337 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:55.079 it goes very very well. Again, you start to come into some 338 00:22:55.200 --> 00:23:00.519 issues when you start talking about bids being stolen and not have I think all 339 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.759 of those slots that you normally were accustomed to. Now no slot is guaranteed, 340 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:07.839 obviously, but when you start looking at the history of it, you 341 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.720 kind of start to lean towards Okay, we know that we're in the territory 342 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.000 first four, how many do we have Do we have just four? Do 343 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.200 we have one? Do we have eight? And again, as we sat 344 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.160 and watched that and all of those bids start coming off the board, that's 345 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.880 when we realize that we're in a territory that we haven't been in quite sometimes, 346 00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:30.039 which is harder setting the top seeds, you know, like the one 347 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:34.000 and two seeds and trying to get those right quote unquote right, or getting 348 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.599 the last few teams in, which is a tougher task. You know, 349 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:42.359 I think they're equally different, not so much of the top four teams or 350 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:48.240 the top eight teams or the top twelve teams. I think everyone agrees where 351 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.960 they fall out on the top teams is just a matter of the order in 352 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:55.640 which they go in. At the top, there's a lot of discussion, 353 00:23:55.720 --> 00:24:00.720 a lot of debate. You know, Arizona was on the four line of 354 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:07.240 the one seed and our unveiled three weeks ago. Arizona was in contention this 355 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:12.440 time. North Carolina was in contention, Tennessee was in contention, Marquette was 356 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:18.160 in contention. So you have to compare those just as closely as you compare 357 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:23.000 the bubble team. So getting them in is probably easier for the top half 358 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:30.559 of the bracket. Seeding them is difficult. Getting them into the field on 359 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:33.519 the bottom end of the bracket is most difficult. Yeah. Well, so 360 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.039 I worked at the pac CFF tournament. So I was there and I watched 361 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.880 Arizona get beat by Oregon. Arizona fans, as they always do, just 362 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:44.480 lost their minds. They've wrecked their tournament, seeding and all that kind of 363 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.920 stuff, and it's kind of like they wound up where we thought they were 364 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.799 going to be all along as a two seed and as one of the higher 365 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:53.400 two seeds. You know, they had that loss to USC in the last 366 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.640 weekend of the regular season, lose to Oregon, and in the end, 367 00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:03.079 none of that really meted or did it well. We take a look at 368 00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:07.119 the entirety of the season, but I can tell you Arizona standing was based 369 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:12.079 upon what they did from November all the way through March. There's not necessarily 370 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:18.200 one game that would have made Arizona jump up or fall down. We look 371 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:22.920 at the entirety of the season and that's true for all of the teams that 372 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.880 we take or look at. The one thing that I would say about that, 373 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:29.039 though, is the more games you play, the more opportunity you have 374 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:34.200 to build your resume to you know, to solidify your spot. So you 375 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.720 know, we looked at the Arizona loss. I don't think it hurt them, 376 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.240 you know, in the overall process, because we took what Arizona had 377 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:45.680 done for the entirety of the season, got it okay. So let's let's 378 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.039 keep it close to home. On that. I watched Oregon play very impressive 379 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:52.920 beat Arizona, you know, you know, beat Colorado, come out of 380 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.559 know where they weren't going to get in the tournament. How difficult is it 381 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.000 to see the team like that that you weren't expecting to to have to seed? 382 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:03.519 And now you've got to take a good, good hard look at them 383 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.759 and find the right place for them. What are you looking at there and 384 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:10.240 how do you do that? Well, we will take a look at the 385 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.559 matrix. We'll take a look at the games that they've won, the games 386 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:18.720 that they lost, you know, Rode wins road losses comparison to other teams 387 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:23.240 that are in the similar proximity of where Oregon, you know, fail. 388 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:29.640 So as we go through our process, we voted twenty two at large teams 389 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.720 in on Wednesday, and we started to seed on Thursday. So by Friday 390 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:38.119 we had the top sixteen, top twenty teams already in the seed. So 391 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.880 even when we compared organ with those teams, we knew that they fell below 392 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:48.240 that line. So once Oregon was able to pull out a victory, knowing 393 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:52.559 that they had an automatic vid to the tournament, they were already kind of 394 00:26:52.599 --> 00:26:55.319 in that range of where they were going to be. And then we have 395 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.640 a process that we call scrubbing, where we compare teams that are already in 396 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.519 the sea and move them up and move them down, and ultimately we did 397 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.119 that with Oregon and they fail. You know where you see them today. 398 00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.920 Have you ever seen a week like we had last week where so many of 399 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:15.480 the top seeds got beat and some of them back. Purdue loss, Houston 400 00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:19.039 lost by thirty, Arizona loss, North Carolina lost, and to teams that 401 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.079 you wouldn't think they were gonna lose to. The only one that kind of 402 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:25.480 came out of there unscathed was Yukon. Have you ever seen anything like that? 403 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:29.119 And is that difficult to deal with? You know from a tournament. 404 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:32.720 It's been a long time, but it's a microcosma of what has happened this 405 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.640 entire season. When you look at college basketball this year, there's been a 406 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:41.920 tremendous amount of upsets and they've been at home. Normally you win those games. 407 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.400 When I say at home, the team that has been upset gets upset 408 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:52.160 at home. That was a theme throughout the regular season. So it wasn't 409 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.839 It was surprising, but not necessarily as surprising because we've seen this type of 410 00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:00.920 pattern in the regular season. So talking a little bit about the job for 411 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:06.359 you you got on the committee back in twenty nineteen. You're the chair now, 412 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:10.680 going in going into your job, and I mean I probably know the 413 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:15.359 answer, but how big of a college basketball fan were you before you started 414 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.960 you took on this work. I mean, is it a passion for you 415 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.720 or was it just was it part of your job? I mean, how 416 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.960 big of a fan are you of college basketball? And what is this experience 417 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:30.119 done for that? You know? A huge fan. I played basketball, 418 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:34.039 so basketball was in my blood. A huge fan of basketball. But I 419 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:38.240 can tell you the one thing that I have learned from this process is that 420 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:44.160 being a fan of basketball is different than being on the committee trying to select 421 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:48.480 the teams. What I would think as a fan is not necessarily what gets 422 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.359 you into the tournament, you know, and a lot of people talk about 423 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.759 the high test. This team looks good, but it's more than just watching 424 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:59.079 basketball games, and there's so much that goes into this process, and I 425 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:03.799 think, you know, that's what we have to kind of feel the unveiling 426 00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.200 back to the general public that the criteria that a normal fan such as I 427 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.160 before I got on the committee would use to say who deserves to be in 428 00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:17.000 the tournament is totally different than once you get into that committee room and you 429 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:19.319 have to follow these principles and procedures. You learn so much being in that 430 00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:22.200 room. Well, speaking of that, then, is what is the one 431 00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:26.519 thing? And I know we get a little more bits of information about the 432 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.119 process every year. I think we learned a little bit more about it. 433 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.480 But what's is there one thing that you feel the fans and the public don't 434 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:40.200 know about the process that maybe you'd like them to know or they should know 435 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.640 that would help them understand the process a little bit more that we don't talk 436 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:48.160 about all the time. Yeah, we would probably need another thirty minutes on 437 00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:51.599 this interview for me to kind of run through some of those things. But 438 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.440 the one thing that I can tell you is the bracketing process, and everybody 439 00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.440 talks about you know, we set this up. We set that up. 440 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:02.759 So for example, one of the things that I heard afterward was was Nebraska 441 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:07.200 going and playing Texas A and M with the athletics director leaving Nebraska going to 442 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.799 A and M and oh my goodness, to committee set that one up nice, 443 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:15.599 And that's totally not what happened. You know. The number one seed 444 00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.200 gets an opportunity to choose which region they want to go to, and then 445 00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.559 from there the number two seed gets the next closest site all the way down 446 00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:27.079 to sixty eight. So we have no control over who plays. We just 447 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.400 have to follow and follow those bracketing principles and how it falls and how it 448 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.039 falls. A lot of people think we strategically do that, but it's based 449 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.920 upon Yukon choosing where they want to go, and a lot of people wouldn't 450 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:45.000 understand that Yukon's choice affects the other sixty seventeen. All right, we only 451 00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.200 got a couple of minutes, and I know you got to go because you're 452 00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.519 as mentioned in Daton for the first the first four of what you're going to 453 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:52.960 start in about ten minutes. Let me just ask you, what's your job 454 00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.359 now the bracket's done, you're at the tournament, you're going to go to 455 00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:00.480 games. What do you do the rest of the month for the tournament? 456 00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:07.359 Well? Being on the committee is not just bracketing and putting the bracket together. 457 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.200 It is actually we are the individuals that are responsible for each site. 458 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.599 So different committee members are dispersed amongst all of the sites, and we're responsible 459 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:21.319 for the overall game management of those games. So my responsibility is here in 460 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:26.480 Dayton. For these next two games, I will leave here going to Turner 461 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:30.279 Studios T and T Studios in Atlanta where we can monitor all of the games, 462 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:34.519 and then we'll have the opportunity to go to each regional site, whether 463 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:40.039 it's the Sweet sixteen or the Elite eight. But from a committee standpoint, 464 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:45.039 the management of the tournament is one of our responsibilities as well. So once 465 00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.799 we're done bracketing and seating and putting the putting it out, then we have 466 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.240 to go manage the sites and manage the game. What's the percentage of this 467 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:57.960 that's fun and the percentage that's work, Well, it's ninety five percent fun. 468 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:06.680 I can say a Sunday probably was the most unfun, most agonizing day 469 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.039 of the entire process because you've left out some really good teams. You know 470 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.559 that there's some student athletes that are disappointed. Coaches jobs are on the line, 471 00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:17.839 you know when it comes to this tournament. So it did not go 472 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.839 you know unnoticed in the committee room that these are very significant decisions. They're 473 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:29.119 hard decisions. But you know, once you put the bracket out, once 474 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:34.079 you get over you know the heartache when you come to today and you see 475 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:38.000 the tournament is one of the best sporting events in the world, and it's 476 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:43.079 just you know, I'm honored and blessed to be a part of it. 477 00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:45.160 While we were honored to have you, I know, you got to run 478 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:49.759 and go get over there and get to those games. So we appreciate the 479 00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:52.240 time. Good luck the rest of the way. We'll see you in Phoenix 480 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.559 at the Final four because a whole bunch of us will be there for that, 481 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.079 so I hope to get a chance to meet you there. That was 482 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.279 good. Thank you for having me on your show. Thank you. It 483 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:07.000 was Charles McLelland, a chair of the NCAA Tournament selection committee. Got about 484 00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.839 seven minutes or so till the first game starts. So yeah, we appreciate 485 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:15.640 him taking the time to talk to us. Fascinating stuff. Fascinating, you 486 00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:20.759 know, I mean, you know, we talked to We had a Paula 487 00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:25.079 Boyven a few several months ago who was on the College Football Playoff Committee and 488 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:28.759 all the things that you find out that we don't know, we know very 489 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.400 little about the process. Fans need to have a little bit more grace, 490 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.119 you know. Yeah, with this stuff like they're doing their best. Yeah, 491 00:33:36.160 --> 00:33:39.359 you know, and I know where the media and you want your questions 492 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:44.200 answered. And the questions, you know, when the bracket comes out are 493 00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:47.400 not always you know, why these number one seeds? It's always why didn't 494 00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.640 this team get in? And that team didn't? Why didn't they? And 495 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.680 that's the hardest thing. And I hate the fact that that's the first place 496 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.680 everybody goes. But I understand too. But at least he pointed out that 497 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.599 they recognize that they're leaving out team. Yeah, good teams, good players, 498 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.440 good coaches, and that's just what has to happen. And some of 499 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.799 it couldn't be helped. Right. They had five teams that stole bids. 500 00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:10.639 I know, that's crazy this year. So there are five teams that would 501 00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:15.039 have been in and are not because of what happened. And that's a lot. 502 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.960 That's crazy. It's a lot of teams. Okay, thank you again 503 00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:23.119 to Charles McClellan from the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee. That interview will be up 504 00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:27.239 on our podcast tonight. If you missed it or you cut the tail end 505 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.480 of it, you can catch the whole thing when we post the podcast tonight. 506 00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:31.599 We're gonna take a break. We're going to try and get Steve on 507 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.039 the phone. He was able to spit out a text and said he was 508 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:38.559 in the middle of nowhere in Utah. We'll try and get him on and 509 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:43.840 hopefully had a chance to listen to this and we'll get some of his reaction 510 00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:45.719 and just find out what he's up to. So stick around and we'll be 511 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.800 right back. 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I mean, iHeartRadio. WAM welcome back time to the ball 546 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.800 here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. Jacon Zalez, my partner, Steve Rivera 547 00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.440 is on the road to Salt Lake City, but I think we've got him 548 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.880 on the phone. Steve, you there, I'm here. I just saw 549 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:52.760 little house in the prairie, any sub junction with Jeff thro along the way 550 00:37:54.559 --> 00:38:00.440 but not in the cement pond, right you saw in the well. Welcome 551 00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.679 to the show, Steve. Appreciate you joining us. We're honored to have 552 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.199 you on and know that you're busy guy had ended up to Salt Lake City. 553 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:13.239 Where's your brain at on Arizona right now? Because we just had this 554 00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:19.519 conversation with Charles McClellan basically said, you know, those losses to USC and 555 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.159 Oregon, Arizona seed was pretty well set. They knew that they had. 556 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:28.000 They said they had the seed, the higher seeds done on Thursday. You 557 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.400 know, good Arizona moved up maybe, but it was the body of works 558 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.039 in November and that put him in the two slot. And you know that's 559 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:37.519 what I was kind of trying to say yesterday. What are your thoughts right 560 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:40.280 now in Arizona? Yeah? No, so that says that they're a possible 561 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:45.159 number one, right so, which of course about four of being some of 562 00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.480 the top four teams in the country. Now they have to play now, 563 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.079 they have to play like it Well enough of the talk, Uh, Duke, 564 00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:55.920 seems so long ago, right, bro Alabama seemed so long ago. 565 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.800 It was kind of now was the time? And Tommy and if you're gonna 566 00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:04.639 think that Tommy's a very good coach. He's here's the time to prove it. 567 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.599 Okay, this is how he's measured that and that's it, and that's 568 00:39:07.639 --> 00:39:10.440 you know, and that's the good fortune or if you want to call it 569 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.480 the bad fortune of being Arizona. You don't get measured on your thirty win 570 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.800 seasons. You get measured on how you do in March. Yeah. No, 571 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:23.119 and we already know that you can get the thirty wins the lead. 572 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.880 But he can do it now. He has to do it here, right 573 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:32.000 right, So on your way up, you know, what are you thinking 574 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:37.960 in terms of your thoughts on storylines for you know, for this tournament and 575 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:42.960 for Arizona and what they do. Is it all based on or they win 576 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:45.719 or lose? Is it based on who plays well who doesn't? What are 577 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:49.840 some of your thoughts? Well, if they fall in this game, that's 578 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:52.920 gonna be a sragic thing. The twenty points underdogs are twenty point favorites. 579 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:55.679 Uh, they shouldn't be able to have all these guys pretty easy. But 580 00:39:55.800 --> 00:40:00.760 I think everyone's watching for one came of love and see how he plays because 581 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.679 he's been in a major sluve Atoks for him helped Feeling plays because he hasn't 582 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.159 played well. And those two. You know, if if you have a 583 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.760 good backcourt in the tournament, you have a good chance. So these two 584 00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.599 guys can finally be copa setic and play well together. Who happen? Yeah? 585 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:21.480 Yeah, you know, I've sit there and I think, I mean, 586 00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:22.519 I I you know, I'm a fan that goes in there with the 587 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.760 with the best thoughts, right, I mean, just for the same reason 588 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.159 I thought they were gonna win the Pac TWELF tournament. I thought, you 589 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.719 know, they're gonna start playing with some some urgency. So you know, 590 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:36.760 uh, but I you know, my my feeling ultimately was I just felt 591 00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:40.280 like Oregon, because they were playing for their lives, had more urgency than 592 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.119 Arizona, did you know? In that game? And and as we said, 593 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.360 Arizona seed was set. So what what you know, what do you 594 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:51.480 worry about? Well, well, you know what I said this to you 595 00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:57.079 about a month or so ago, that one of Arizona's downfalls that they have 596 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:00.679 a lead and they sponsored it in the second half. They've done that number 597 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:04.400 of times. We did that last year a number of times. Did right, 598 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.239 well, they can again, and they did it again against Oregon. 599 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:09.639 Yeah, you know, you're looking at a fourteen point lead and then they 600 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:13.760 have a ten point lead that half and then they blow it all together. 601 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:19.119 That can't happen here. I'm not concerned about tomorrow, Thursday, and Saturday, 602 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:25.719 really, but I am if they the Baylor Oh I think we lost 603 00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:29.559 him. Well no, can you hear me? Oh there got your back, 604 00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.320 Yes, got you back. Yeah, So I said, I'm concerned. 605 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.360 I'm not concerned about thirty or Saturday. I'm most concerned about Baylor. 606 00:41:35.559 --> 00:41:37.960 But I guess you can't get to Baylor if you don't win the first two 607 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.920 right right exactly. And you and you look at you know, you look 608 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:44.119 at the four teams you know that are that are in their pod or whatever 609 00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:46.559 you want to call it. Dayton, Nevada, long beach state. None 610 00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:51.199 of those teams scare the crap idey. They've already beaten cold, cold Gates 611 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.840 on the other side. But you know, you know, you just don't 612 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.199 look. There's good records. Dayton's twenty four and seven. Nevada is twenty 613 00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.320 six and seven, a long beach state, you know, snuck in. 614 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:06.880 They don't scare you like a TCU would if TCU was sitting on the other 615 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.719 side of the bracket or somebody like that. You know, one of the 616 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:14.440 I mean, these are three mid major teams that are in their pod that 617 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:16.320 they have, you know, that they have to mess with in the first 618 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:21.000 weekend. You'd like to think that, but you don't have one word to 619 00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.239 say to that. Princeton. Let me say, because you know the history 620 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.599 and I know the history is the current all of it. The teams that 621 00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.320 don't scare you scare you, right, because it's not the teams that they 622 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.159 are good. There is one will be three number ones for a reason. 623 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.840 There were the underdogs. They had a chip on their shoulder. They had 624 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.000 to prove something against the teams that don't scare you. They don't really don't 625 00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:44.840 have to prove anything, and that's what they show up day. Well, 626 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:46.440 we just show up and we play it we win. It doesn't work that 627 00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:51.559 way. Yeah, Is there is there any I don't know, any sense, 628 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:52.800 you know, because Gonzaga is in the you know, in Salt Lake 629 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:58.119 City, you know, with you guys, any thoughts about you know, 630 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.920 some familiarity as a distraction, anything like that with with Gonzaga being uh at 631 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.760 the same site as Arizona. No, I don't think dope. Mark and 632 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:14.639 Tommy invite me to dinner, and you got Kansas over there. You know, 633 00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.280 I'm really curious about Kansas. Well, don't forget about Bill Wade. 634 00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.559 It's like it's just like the A P R A PR boat. Oh that's 635 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:29.559 right, you know, the fancy double A committee, right, whatever that 636 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:34.599 thing was called. You know we are we already forgot about it anyways. 637 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.519 But you know, I mean, you know, you look at you look 638 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.559 at the the you look at where Arizona is, and you know, people 639 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:45.760 are not people Yukon fans are complaining about their bracket because they've got they got 640 00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.800 Iowa state. You know, he's in there, Aron is in there. 641 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.320 Uh, Illinois in there going wa wait, what were we supposed to get 642 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.880 the easiest road? That's the funny thing. I heard that all day when 643 00:43:55.880 --> 00:44:00.320 it came out, and then Monday, and then if you're the best team 644 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:05.440 in the country, why would you be afraid of anybody? Well, and 645 00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:09.480 maybe maybe the team is not, but the fans are always going to be 646 00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:15.440 kind about the easiest road, though there's no easy you never know, Arizona 647 00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:20.559 has a really good draw this year. But you just don't know, yeh, 648 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:22.880 because you've experienced the bad. You already know the bad. Yeah, 649 00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:29.079 yeah, yeah, no doubt, it's just I don't know. I mean 650 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:30.760 we uh An, Lisa and I were sitting here kind of going through the 651 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:35.519 brackets a little bit in the in the first segment, and I don't even 652 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:39.079 know where to start. Steve as you should we start because we have the 653 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.000 contest. I'm sure you've talked about that, right, So do win like 654 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:51.039 today? No, anytime we want mine or done anytime you want. I 655 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.119 told our friend Jacob bar zoom And who ate the left side of the menu 656 00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:57.840 at media in our first contest, that he wasn't allowed to join this year. 657 00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.679 Okay all the time. Hey, so okay, so before Thursday's game, 658 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.360 I guess right, yeah, yeah, the deadline is before the first 659 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:07.079 just before the first game. You know, everybody will get to see all 660 00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:12.400 the brackets once once the deadline passes and all that. But you can go 661 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.800 to our go to our Facebook page. It's pinned at the top of our 662 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:21.360 of our Facebook profile, same thing on our Twitter profile. A bracket fanatics 663 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:25.159 dot com is the is the website that's hosting our bracket. Fill out a 664 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.280 bracket that doesn't cost you anything. You're not playing for a lot. You're 665 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:32.239 playing to have dinner with Steve and I somewhere at a great Mexican restaurant. 666 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:37.639 Dinner for two at a great Mexican restaurant here in town. Don't know if 667 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.639 it'll be mini eto or something else. And if you if you're joining from 668 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.400 out of town and you win the pool, we'll send you a fifty dollars 669 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.000 gift card to whatever restaurant you want, your favorite restaurant that you go to. 670 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:52.480 But it's more it's for fun. Because we're gamblers, we throw a 671 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.079 little juice on it. We can't help ourselves word degenerates and so we're doing 672 00:45:55.119 --> 00:46:00.880 that. So our Facebook page and our Twitter page you can find our bracket. 673 00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:07.239 How many people join up is great? If it did you pick any 674 00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:12.519 teams with great momentum and least well, I do have. Actually most of 675 00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:19.199 my teams like lost in their tournament. Yeah, all the lost. So 676 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.119 most of my teams don't have any momentum right now. But maybe that's good. 677 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:27.920 Maybe they'll pick it up and be taking off at the right time. 678 00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:30.719 Okay, we're not giving away any secrets here for you? If I ask 679 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.079 you this, who not Arizona? Are you picking for the Who not Arizona, 680 00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:39.079 not Yukon? Would you pick for the national championship? We lost? 681 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:43.440 Him dropped the call. All right. You didn't want to answer. He 682 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.000 didn't want to answer. Okay, you who not? Not? Well? 683 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.239 You already got North Carolina in one? Right? Who else? Illinois? 684 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.559 Illinois? Okay, not Arizona. Yeah, there are a three seed Okay, 685 00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.360 I told you Houston. Oh wait, Houston does that? Houston? 686 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.760 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, they're one. I told you Kentucky and Tennessee. 687 00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:13.199 There are two, right, Yeah, to win to win the championship, 688 00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.679 yeah, Houston, Tennessee. Yeah, what I just said? Kentucky 689 00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:22.920 in North Carolina? No Carolin. Oh, I thought you had North Carolina 690 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.320 when you we'll have them in the final. But I can't say they're gonna 691 00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:28.639 win. You can't do that. Okay, taking it to are Oh you 692 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:32.280 have Kentucky in the championship? Where you have Okay? Okay, I missed 693 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:37.039 misremembered. So yeah, all right, you know, I don't know. 694 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.199 I know I'm gonna pick Yukon once or twice. Yeah, you have I'm 695 00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.719 gonna pick Arizona probably once, and they have them in the final four once. 696 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:52.119 I'm not sure I'm going Houston. I really offensively, I know they 697 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.920 played great defense, but you've got to have some offense, uh, you 698 00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.239 know, to win this thing. And if you're not going to score points, 699 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:00.440 I think, my how good your defense is, You're gonna have a 700 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:04.480 tough time. Purdue. I'm just I just don't trust Purdue. I never 701 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:07.280 trust Purdue. I'll never trust those guys. You can't trustment. Yeah, 702 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:12.639 yeah, trust you need to prove it. You have not proved it not. 703 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.159 You know, Marquette does not float me very much. Maybe Tennessee, 704 00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:20.159 you know, coming out of the coming out of the Midwest where Purdue is, 705 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.480 I know, I'm not going Kansas. I have Kansas and the Allienate 706 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:25.719 in one of mine, you know, I mean, you know, I 707 00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.360 mean, if Ukon's complaining about brackets, complaining about the bracket that Purdue got 708 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.719 where they're their top four season, that in that bracket are Purdue, Tennessee, 709 00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:40.119 Creighton, and Kansas. I mean you know that, you know, 710 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.440 when I look at the when I look at what what Yukon's got over there 711 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:47.960 with Iowa State, Illinois and Auburn. Yeah, I see why Yukon fans 712 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.480 might be upset at the at the draw they got in the East. But 713 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:57.639 you have to pick some upsets though, Like in my other bracket, I 714 00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:02.239 have Washington State in the Alitate. You know, I don't know, yeah, 715 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:06.639 I have them upsetting Now that I look at that, I might have 716 00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.920 to change that, you know, I I I you know, at the 717 00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:14.599 packed toof tournament, I took I bet the over in the Colorado Washington State 718 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:19.559 game because I thought Colorado was playing better. But I thought Washington State is 719 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.360 good. They're really good, a good team. They are a solid team, 720 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:27.960 you know, the guard right really and I'm like, they're really good. 721 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.320 As much as you don't want to say Washington State is really good, 722 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.639 they're really good. They are good this year. Yeah they've proven that. 723 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.599 But that's again that's a good record too. Yeah. So you know, 724 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.920 man, I'm washing the state is a seventh seed. Sure, why not? 725 00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:43.760 Why not get them to the lead eight? You know that, you 726 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.960 know they got Drake then either Iowa State or South Dakota State. You know, 727 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:52.400 yeah, Iowa State, you know, crushed Houston. But again you 728 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:54.679 catch them on a catch them on a day, every team out there can 729 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:59.440 be Arizona and lose to somebody that they're not supposed to lose to. Exactly. 730 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:04.039 Sure, for sure, long the longest shot, Okay, is Washington 731 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:07.559 your longest shot? For say, let's take a team to get probably my 732 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.480 longest shot that I would pick. But you know, I've heard that apparently 733 00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:14.280 this McNeice can win it all. Well, that's you know, people are 734 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.000 picking that. There's there are people picking that. There absolutely are people picking 735 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.400 that. You know, I think there's a I was listening that. I 736 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:27.920 think one of the one of the online online uh online betting apps has in 737 00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:31.960 their game against Gonzaga. In McNee State's game against Gonzaga, eighty percent of 738 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:37.360 the money is on McNee state in that matchup right there. Yeah, that's 739 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:42.119 what they're saying. Man, So who knows. Gosh, I love this 740 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.639 time of year. I love some single elimination basketball. This is fun and 741 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:47.639 it's always fun, you know. I mean, I'm gonna go home and 742 00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:51.599 I want I'm gonna watch the first four games. The fact I should have 743 00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.920 the one on right now to see what's going on in that. But no, 744 00:50:55.039 --> 00:51:00.800 it's a you know, I'm like I just I get up in the 745 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.159 morning, I turn it on, park myself on the couch. Now we 746 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:09.320 are going to have a show Thursday and Friday and tomorrow. George Modes, 747 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:15.679 the owner of Showtime Sports Cards, big fan, a great fan of the 748 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.480 show and a sponsor, great guy to talk sports with. He'll be in 749 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:24.079 as my as the guest host tomorrow and Thursday, and then on Friday. 750 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:28.400 Haven't decided what we're doing there, but we know a lot of you will 751 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:30.440 be watching games, but maybe you want to listen to us. The Arizona 752 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:34.840 game will have been played on Thursday by the time our show comes on, 753 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:37.920 so we'll get Steve on the phone and break down that game, you know, 754 00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:42.519 almost like a postgame show. Yeah, because that that game will end 755 00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:46.920 around one o'clock our time on Friday on Thursday. On Thursday, we go 756 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:51.599 on the air at three and so we'll get Steve in here and we'll kind 757 00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.039 of, you know, do our own little postgame show with that and break 758 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.960 it on. We never have an opportunity to do that, so that's why 759 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.679 we're going to go ahead and do the show, and Friday will preview. 760 00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:06.559 Either we'll be drowning sorrows or previewing the Saturday game. Hopefully we're not drowning 761 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:07.920 sorrow. I'm over this whole, like I'm not. I don't want to 762 00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:12.199 jinx it. I'm not taking Arizona far. Like I think they should make 763 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:14.599 it to the lad eight, so I put them in my Elite eight. 764 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:21.519 Yeah. Absolutely, I'm over this because last time I had them losing early 765 00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:25.599 because I was like, maybe they'll make it, but no more because the 766 00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:30.480 Jink's it, like it doesn't matter. Yeah, exactly. All right, 767 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:32.679 let's we're here at the top of the hour. Let's take our break and 768 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:35.920 at least we'll be back with breaking new stick around.