In today's episode, we are talking about book banning. Everyone's favorite subject,
book banning. God, it's happening across the United States. It is.
You have a local story you want to talk about. I do, don't
you? I do? Oh? I just thought you were asking me.
Now you're telling me I do. Mary, There you go, put some
emphasis on it. Off behind that I did. I've got a story that's
a few weeks old from Michigan about some book banning. So let's get into
that topic. Okay, right after the break if you're back. Hey,
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get into this episode about book banning? Yes, all right, this was
prompted. Do you get those news alerts on your phone, by the way,
shell, No, you don't get news alerts. That's how I found
out about my news because I get alerted. I should probably sign up for
something like that. Yeah, And so then it goes to the news app
that you have on your iPhone. Got then you can read stories unless you
don't have a subscription to some of them, but sometimes you can just read
them. Okay. I was able to read this story. This was from
August twenty sixth, so a while ago, Detroit Free Press, and I'm
just gonna read this article. Read it. A Michigan town may lose its
only library after its staff refused to remove an lgbt Q book. Good for
them, though, good for the library. Stand up for yourself exactly.
Okay. When a library staff and a West Michigan township refused to remove its
books containing LGBTQ themes, go library resident. I edited that part. That's
good. Residents voted to defund their only library. They were like, we'd
rather have no library at all than a library with the filth and here,
yeah, with a queer book exactly. Yeah, We'd rather have no reading
than gay reading, even if it's like one percent of the books, and
this library shut it down right, and it might not even be one percent.
Remember when we interviewed our shelves and that lovely lady was talking about how
hard it is for libraries to get queer books in there, because you have
to request them and then the authors have to see that they want them,
and blah blah blah. Anyway, there are not a lot in these libraries,
and yet people get the stick shoved so far up their ass that they're
like, wait, there's two books. Shut the whole fucking thing down,
right, right, right right, Yeah, ridiculous. The Patmos, I
don't know if I'm saying that correctly. Could be Patmos. Say it however
you want, Okay. The Patmos Library and Jamestown Township outside of Grand Rapids,
Michigan, lost eighty five percent of its operating budget after an August second
vote when it's funding was up for renewal. A conservative Christian group Weird That
Never Happened Never had campaigned against the library because of books it has deemed inappropriate
for children. The issue will be back on the ballot in November. There's
still time. Everybody's coming up. If you're in Michigan, get out there
and vote right one last time to save the library. If it doesn't pass,
the library will likely close. I'm gonna just say, library, let's
turn it into a drinking game. Every time you say library, I have
a sip of my coffee. Anyone at home, I want to play.
The saga illustrates a growing trend of book banning debates across the country that center
on LGBTQ books. While banning books is a decades old practice, thank you,
Puritan America. Yeah, I was gonna say that's only because Christianity is
more than decades old. It's never just like your random person. It's like
a random person living in your town. That's like ban the books. It's
always based on some kind of fucked up Puritan religion. Christianity name it,
what for Mormonism, name it. There's always some kind of religion behind banning
books. Of course, Shelley. We have to protect the children, yeah,
from the world, sure, the evil world, the evil, evil
world where there are queers that oh gosh, that reminds me. Sorry side
note, we're watching a League of their own. We just finished it.
This series a phenomenal series. Anyway. In there, there's like this girl
who's afraid of everything, and she thinks that every things out to get her.
And she realizes that one of the other girls is a lesbian they call
them what inverts, Yeah, and she's horrified at it. Doesn't want to
be your friend anymore. Blah. Blah blah. And then the other girl,
Carson gives her kind of like a speech about you're afraid of eating canned
foods that are bent. Your friend, like listing all these things that this
girl's afraid of, but she's like, just live your life right and keep
your friends. And so the next day Carson comes in the room and this
girl who's afraid of everything, she's trying to overcome her fears, and she
runs up to Carson kisses her right on the mouth, and then backs when
it's like, oh my gosh, it's not contagious. I'm not attractive to
you at all. This is fantastic. So I think there was a compliment
and there's somewhere somewhere somewhere. Yeah, but the realization that you can't catch
gayness right right, I'm not sure what this has to do with. Oh,
it was the fears, the religious attacking the gaze because they think it's
contagious, right, and if your children read queer themed or whatever books,
they're gonna become gay. Yeah, it doesn't work that way. I know.
Um, we oddly and are one of our airbnbs has a have a
book on carpentry. I'm not sure where that came from. But I'm wondering.
It's from nineteen sixty something, but it's cool looking and it's a very
retro. But I'm wondering if one of your kids read that carpentry book,
would they suddenly become a carpenter? Oh sure, or want to be a
carpenter because they read a book about it. Yeah, they would suddenly feel
You know how many books I've read on different subjects and I haven't been influenced
by that. M huh, weird. Weird. You would think that I'd
be so easily influenced by everything I've ever well answered this, have you ever
read a book that has heterosexual couples? Oh? Wow? Yeah, and
seen shows and movies so bombarded by that? Are you straight now? Exactly?
Your point is taken. Oh and I read a lot of the Bible
too, and that didn't stick. You'd think I'd be a big old Christian
or whatever because of all the Bible reading I did back in the day.
That didn't really stick either, No, thank god, because the Bible's pretty
fucked up, especially the Old Testament. But we've talked about that before.
Yeah, So the point is, what good does it do removing certain subjects
from libraries or wherever else. If you think that your kid is going to
read whatever book. Oh, they read a cookbook today. Guess what.
They still can't cook for shit. You know, it doesn't work that way.
It doesn't just doesn't work that way. Okay, And I am not
sure, but I am guessing with a big opinion here that these books are
trying to ban are not telling people how to be a queer. It's not
step by step right with pictures. Oh that would have been helpful, wouldn't
it. Oh God, I would have loved that book. Why wasn't that
in my library? I was too busy like reading Where the Red Fern Grows
and crying over and over. We should write a funny how to be a
lesbian. There's probably a how to be a lesbian book out there, but
a joking one, not like how to become a lesbian. And that's what
the Christians are worried about. The people will become a lesbian, their straight
kids will be swallowed up in vagina fantasies. That was hard to say.
Okay, Can I get continue with this article? Place? Yes? Sorry?
All right? Well, I was saying, while banning books is a
decades old practice. Conservative groups have recently focused on removing ones that center on
sexuality and gender identity. No coincidence there, along with race and religion,
also no coincidence there. I'm guessing the Bible may or may not still be
in there, but I think it would be. And this is just me
guessing. I don't have the facts on this, but I would think that
they are banning books that are anti religion, that are atheist based. But
this is my opinion. I don't know, just throwing that shit out there.
We could probably research that, I would say, probably or leg Wickan
or whatever. Right, Yeah, anything that's not Christian exactly. So this
fight has come to a head at the Patmos Library in Michigan, Okay,
they're protesting all LGBTQ books that are on our shelves, said Larry Walton,
Library board president. They want to ban books, which is unacceptable. We
the board will not ban books. Thank you, Larry, Thank you.
Out of about sixty seven thousand materials, about ninety pieces could be relative to
LGBTQ themes. That's what I'm saying. What is the percentage on sixty seven
thousand books, only ninety are thematic to LGBTQ stuff. If I knew how
to do that math with my calculator, I would, but it's very,
very low. It's a small percentage. Again, if you have a carpentry
book on the shelf doesn't mean if your kid reads it, they're going to
be a carpenter. This is so stupid. There's like alien books and shit
too, like dinosaur books. You think those are the dinosaurs that are from
other planets that God kitty litter or scoop and no scattered around the Earth.
Yes, No, what I mean is there? I'm sure they're myth.
Dinosaurs didn't exist, Shelley. They came from other planets. God used the
big kittler scoop and gobbled him up, dumped him here to make it to
intersense of why the earth is? He needed layers. He just needed layers,
so he puts some fossils in there. Gotcha? What I meant was
there? I'm sure there are fiction not true books that star like a cat
that talks, that's true. I think there are talking animal books out there.
Yeah, how does that affect? I don't know. They're gonna think
their animals are gonna start talking. We're misleading children, right, and let
me also throw this out there. I could understand a parent not wanting a
young child to read a book that is sexually explicit, okay, but that
for me, that's whether it's straight or queer, I don't care. I
could understand me not wanting Cassidy to read like The Joy of Sex by what
was her name again, I don't know, Ruth, doctor Ruth. However,
libraries are always split into age groups, right, So when I go
to my public library, the kids section is off to the left, and
there's not going there will be there will be books for now anyway, you
know, like Jimmy has to Daddy or something like that. But it's it's
toned to that age group to have an understanding of families. So kids who
are in those kind of families don't feel like they're weird, and kids who
are not in queer families can understand. Right, So it's not like we're
letting elementary schools read gay porn. That's not it and that you know,
and that's stuff that I hear from the right is like kids shouldn't even be
reading about sex at that age. I'm like, well, sure, I
agree, but they're not giving them sex books at that age about straight or
queer relationships. Right now, if you've got let's say, a teenager or
young adult who is quite possibly experimenting with sex, with their identity, with
everything, why should they not have books available to help them feel normal,
right, so that something they can relate to exactly? Yeah, well I
agree. Basically it's sucking up the queer people. Bottom line. Once again,
who loses the queers? Sure? I mean the queer kids. Yeah,
I'll throw that out there the next queer generation. Well, right,
and then this thing is thrown in their faces. If it weren't for you
queers, we would have a library here. Basically, that's the message,
right, wouldn't have those nine books out of how many thousand? Yeah?
You only read that stat again, sure, ninety books out of sixty seven
thousand. Yeah. Those of you who know math and you just listen to
this podcast, go ahead and post that in Latter Day Lesbian podcast discussion.
Thanks, Joe, are you listening, Joe? What's the math? I
count that ship was out here? Oh my gosh, Okay, let me
continue. Okay. Ahead of the vote, a Christian group called Jamestown Conservatives
placed large signs in the town ship, urging residents to vote no, citing
concerns that the library was grooming children with books containing explicit material and LGBTQ themes.
Once again, you read a book on carpentry, you don't become a
carpenter. How many times we have to go over there? Well, that
was like the sixth time. I would also take a gander that if this
conservative group were to look through all of the books that are there available,
they will find heterosexual theme books that are just as explicit that they think the
queer books are. Yeah, what about just going after the queers? That's
it. I bet they have like fifty shades of gray. So I was
wondering that was the exact thing that popped into my head. Is that in
libraries they're not talking about it. I bet it is, But there's not
fifty shades of queer gray. Good analogy listeners, you know what the fuck
I mean? Right? How many different ways I have to say it?
It's fucked up. It's a double standard, Yes, because the gays are
out to recruit, recruit yep, I want all of the young girls to
go to home depot with me, wear cargo pants. That's all I want.
We're gonna listen to melist the Etheridge along the way. We're gonna wear
plaid flannel blouses. We were just thinking about that episode of Old Blouse and
the Laundry. Where's that blood flannel blouse? Yeah, we were relieving our
video. Well, that episode is called not Your Typical Lipstick Lesbian. I
don't remember what episode number is, but that's pretty damn funny. But our
videos on our YouTube page, yep, where you could just say channel if
you want the videos on our YouTube channel. As you're funny, you're fun
to tease. Okay. The content and some of the books contains graphic sexual
dialogue and narrative, So quick, groom and our kids. No child has
an innate sense of being gender queer or gender fluid. It is manipulative,
destructive and wrong, not true. A library that pushes this agenda is disrespectful.
This is from someone named Donna Rothman. She said you, Donna Rotman.
She said it at an August eighth board meeting. So again back to
the subject of are the heterosexual books there are? They don't. They don't
talk about sure to be straight, to have a normal babies, that's normal,
normal, And come on the libraries are pushing an agenda. There's ninety
books out of whatever that number was. You keep saying it's not if there
was an actually an actual agenda, they would be everywhere. Yeah, they're
just trying to have all populations represented. Is that so wrong? I don't
think so. Okay. The book that sparked the controversy at Patmos or pat
Mos, I'm not sure. Someone helped me out here is called Gender Queer,
a Memoir, a graphic novel by Maya Kobabi. Not sure if I'm
saying that correctly. That details they're experiences exploring gender identity and sexuality. It
is the most commonly banned book, according to an analysis from pen America,
a literary and free speech organization. Patmos Library refused to ban Gender Queer,
but did remove it from its spot in the adult section and placed it behind
the counter. Oh so it's like it's like when you want to go buy
Suda fed you can't do that anymore. You have to request it behind a
counter or condoms. Yes, very similar. Wow, that is crazy.
That's like here back in the closet please, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. You have to know what you're you can't just browse for it.
You have to come in knowing what book you want. Well, they wouldn't
want a straight person accidentally stumbling upon it, reading it and becoming queer.
I hate when that happened. It's horrible. Is that what happened to me?
No? Yeah, you know how many straight books I've read? Get
back to that, and I'm not straight. I have read zero queer books.
Zero. Really, you never read one single one. I've listened in
the recent past too, maybe three, But I'm seeing my entire life I
never did yet. Yeah, here you are. Yeah, yeah, I
can attest folks. Shelley is queer. Trust me on this one. Thanks
Mary, did you just out me? I know all right? Interested readers
would have to specifically ask for this book that is behind the counter gender queer.
Everybody asked for gender queer. Yes, by the way, good idea
their local libraries. Okay. Residents also wanted to ban Kiss Number eight and
Spinning Don't Know these both graphic novels that depict girls realizing they want to kiss
other girls. Go girls wanting to kiss other girls. I'm nothing wrong with
it. As a matter of fact, it's amazing, but I'm not recruiting
just so we're clear. Yeah, I'm just a fan. Well, I
bet there's books about girls wanting to kiss boys. I mean shit right,
Like I couldn't think of any because I'm not really a reader in Moore.
But like, yes, there are books of even elementary school, so many,
we just can't think of any. By the way, neither of these
books contain nudity. But this library, I said, library again, drink
they want to ban both these books about kissing girls. Okay. Jamestown resident
Connor Cook twenty five, said he I don't know why his age is important,
but whatever, said he witnessed homophobia growing up in the township as queer,
but the failed millage was still a gut punch, oh for sure.
Yeah. Cook volunteered at the library during the summer and said pat Mus was
a safe space for him to learn, a place where he could be himself.
Not anymore, Nope. He was homeschooled and said he had limited access
to resources, so the library helped him explore the world on his terms.
He said. We walked around our world every day surrounded by hate directed toward
specific groups of people, and most of us have the privilege to ignore it,
including myself. He said. This decision to defund the library was like
waking up one morning realizing they came for your home. Yeah, wow,
I know, because there was a safe space for him once pond time.
If Patmos Library closes, the roughly eight thousand Jamestown residents won't have access to
a nearby library and the resource it provides, like reliable WiFi. Libraries outside
the area charge up to one hundred and fifty dollars in fees for nonresident Cards
said, I don't know how to pronounce this person, a former librarian at
Patmos. Libraries are one of the last social places in our world where there
doesn't exist the expectation to spend money. So that freedom to be able to
go and pick up a movie for the night and not have to pay to
rent it, or taking out a board game for family game night. Wow,
I didn't know you could do all this, or kids going to use
the computers to research for projects. That all stops, she said. Removing
LGBTQUE books or putting them behind a counter sends a message that people who want
to read these books or identify with these characters in the books are not fit
to be in public. Exactly exactly that is the message it sends, we
had to close our library because of you queers. Get out. This world
doesn't want you, starting with our town. Fuck that shit, Fuck that
shit. It's twenty twenty two, right like the year. I'm not sure
it should be, but people aren't acting like it. Yeah, I'm going
to wrap this up. There is still a way to be involved. They
have a go fund me. Oh. If you go to go fund me
dot com, search up Patmos Library and they have a fund there to save
the library. Good and that is sad that you need to save a library.
Well it is, but this is going to come up for a vote
again and yeah November. I mean they could be defunded in November. Oh
I know. I'm just saying, how Saturday is in twenty twenty two.
We need to help a random library in Michigan stay open, Yeah, because
they're being attacked by this fucking right wing conservative Christian group that hates the gays.
Yeah. Basically, they're trying to raise two hundred and forty five thousand
dollars and as of a month ago, they had one hundred and seventy eight
thousand donations. Good. Definitely getting there. If you would like to help
the Patmos Library if I'm saying that correctly. In Jamestown Township in Michigan,
go to go fundme dot com and throw them a couple of bucks. I'm
sure they'd appreciate it, and some queer books can get back on the show.
Yes, we have more to talk about about this subject. Don't more
of a local take on it in Virginia? Yes? Right, Just so
happens that the local it's called Vienna Patch. I think in the Vienna is
where I will be moving to in like five days, and I haven't started
packing. A news blurb came out of there and talking about the books that
are being banned. So yeah, I want to touch on that just a
bit. All right, Why don't we take a quick break and we'll get
to it in just a second. Alrighty, you're right back, and we're
back. I spoke about the Vienna Patch into a small town. We're just
outside of Washington, DC, so we get some big news that comes in
anyway, this is coming out of Arlington, Virginia, which is close,
and it's banned books week school officials at nine school districts in Virginia, including
Fairfax County Public schools. That's where my kiddos go. We're among those challenging
and banning books in what a Banned Books Week twenty twenty two report called an
unprecedented fashion. While school districts across Virginia banned books over the past year,
Virginia Beach started it. Really yeah, go pat ro Robertson representing the Christian
Coalition or whatever the hell fuck or all right, I'm skipping that boring paragraph.
The report from pen America, a New York based literary and free expression
nonprofit advocacy group, highlights how challenges to books have become a political issue nationwide.
It is political. I mean, now we have social media. You
see, it's all fucking political. And if you are a conservative you have
to believe this one way, right, and if you're liberal you have to
believe this one way. They're crossovers, for sure. But it seems to
me that the conservative side of things, at least what I see on social
media, is on the attack. Why does it have to be like that?
Why can't we be like, Oh, I'm a Republican, but I
don't agree with all these things. Oh I'm a Democrat, Well I don't
agree with all these things. Why can't that be Okay, there are some,
but it's rare. It is rare. It's like you have to get
on board with everything the party. Well, sure, because every time there's
elections coming up. By the way, we've got election season around here coming
up. Commercials and promotions and all those things. The ads, they are
almost always hated based and fear based, very polarizing. Yes, you have
to scare your people into voting for you. If you do it for me,
then the other side is going to be, you know, killing babies
right after they're born, or pushing that queer agenda. Yes, you know,
somehow takes away from our traditional families. I still haven't figured that.
I still haven't taken away from it. I'm trying, but I haven't been
able to succeed anyway. The article also says a majority of the targeted books
focus on sexual identity, race, and racism. I was thinking about this.
Do you remember in the news. I think it's been in the last
year where people wanted to get rid of the statues of generals and things from
the South who were pro slavery. Sure, so, my right wing friends
would argue that, oh, well, you wanted to erase history by getting
rid of the statues. And it's like, no, this is so different.
Getting rid of statues is not erasing history. It is a statement of
No, we don't admire these people who had slaves. Yeah, and why
do we have to memorialize shitty asshole people. Yeah, yeah, we're not
erasing history. I mean you can read there's no way to raise history.
No, by the way, no, it is there. Yeah, and
so no, fuckers, it's not the same thing. It's saying, you
know what, we don't idolize these people exactly. We don't literally and figuratively
put them on pedestals. Literally, they are on a pedestal to be memorialized.
Right, No, not okay, get rid of it? Yep,
okay, so um, right wingers, fuck that argument doesn't work for me.
In Virginia, by the way, where my kids are attending school in
Fairbecks County. The books that are banned included temporary removal are Number one,
Gender Queer a Memoir, same one. Yep, that one gets a lot
of traction. There's one called lawn Boy. I think I'd like to read
these and see what the fuck are you so freaked out about. I am
a gay wizard, this is fucking awesome. Out of Darkness. Let me
back up. I'm putting the authors out there if he wants to support these
books by getting them, asking for them in libraries, ordering them online.
Gender Queer a Memoir by Maya I'm sorry, Koebabe, Kobobby, thank you,
sorry, I'm sorry, sir. Yeah, lawn Boy by Jonathan Evanson,
We've got I'm a Gay Wizard by Vs. Santoni, out of Darkness
by Ashley Hope, Perez, The Poet X by Elizabeth Asavado, and When
Aid and Became a Brother by Kyle Lukoff. Why don't you send these to
me and I can put them in the show description, the show notes and
then people can just look them up. Okay, I'll stop reading because there's
a bunch more along these same lines. There was also an article that came
out. Okay, this just kind of made me laugh because sometimes the VNA
patch they just kind of list what's going on in the paper that you're about
to read, and it starts with transgender student State Guidelines, black Bear sightings,
Top Virginia News. What that's funny. I know, I'm like,
there could have been there should have been a way that you could, you
know, somehow separate that out. Okay, here's what's going around here.
Virginia Governor Glenn Junkin's ass hat new school guidelines restrict transgender student rights. Like
what the fuck? Thanks bro. Virginia Governor Glen Younkins administration release state education
guidelines that would roll back the rights of transgender students, moved by the States
Republican governor weird that is expected to be challenged in court. The new model
policies released Friday will likely have to be adopted by all of the states one
hundred and thirty three school districts in October. They will require transgender students to
use school bathrooms and locker rooms matching this sex they were assigned at birth.
Let me start with that one. That's fucked up A but I'll also say
that that has been an issue for right wing forever, So I'm not surprised
at that right because they don't understand their home homophobes. How difficult it would
it be to add another bathroom? Like I love when I go into a
restaurant and it's just a bathroom. Well, we don't have a budget,
you know what, let's budget some shit. Can we budget some shit for
education and schools where our children go, so we don't have how about diversity
among children? That thought? Okay, Also, schools have doors on their
bathroom stalls period, end of story. I mean, I could see in
school where let's say a girl starting her period wouldn't want to share a bathroom
with boys. Just add a third damn bathroom. No, I get it.
I get it at a third bathroom. But again, I see,
I'm not surprised this part. I'm not surprised at I'm like, whatever they've
been, they've been fearmongering this since the beginning of time. Here's the one
that really, I mean, it all pisses me off, but this is
really like why you got to be so mean? Right? The policies also
make it difficult for students to change their name and gender at school. What
why is that? Because that didn't you tell me that the teachers were They're
asking teachers to use their birth name. You use their birth name. That's
what principles are asking teachers to do, right, yes, younkins. Virginia
Department of Education also stated in the model policies that the legal name and sex
of a student cannot be changed even upon written instruction of a parent or eligible
student without an official legal document or court order. That's fucked up. When
I was in seventh grade, the teacher asked first day school, what would
you like to be called? And I thought it would be funny to say
Gidget. And I was called Gidget for that entire year. There was no
problem that you have a new nickname. I do. I still have papers
where I'm like Gidget Johnson. Fucking awesome. I found this at my parents'
house. Shelley's new name. Everybody feel free to send her messages. Greetings
Gidget, Say what's up? Gidget? Lying nun? Love it flying Nun.
She's not the same person. Oh well, Gidget isn't the flying nun.
It is in the Flying Nun. No, Sally Field played Gidget and
the Flying Nun two different characters. Okay, got it, let me continue
reading. Okay. This is also part of the model that dickhead Yunkan is
putting out there. Oh, we need to come out with an apology.
Oh so I have been known to label Dalin a chokes like that bald asshole
or whatever. I say that. And we got a letter from someone,
and thank you for sending that in stating you're being aggressive with the word bald
can be hurtful to certain people who might have alopecia or anyone who anyone,
Yeah, yes, anyone yaone. Shouldn't make fun of people based on physical
characteristics, yes, and my apologies. We shouldn't make fun of people the
podcast. Okay, how about based on their strict conservative Mormon. Of course
we're going to make fun of that. Okay, we're allowed to do that.
Yes, no, no more his baldness just he's the devil. Okay,
so sorry, Sorry, we've hurt anyone's feeling. I have absolutely no
problem with bald people. I have a big problem with dalin a jokes.
Okay. Going on about this new model put out by the governor, teachers
and other school officials can only refer to a student by their pronouns associated with
their sex at birth, and teachers will not be required to refer to a
student's chosen names, regardless of paperwork, if they feel doing so would violate
their constitutionally protected rights. Thank god. So even if the student gets their
name legally changed, if the teachers have a problem with it, they can
keep calling him Sally or her Jonathan like what the because it goes against their
constitutionally protected rights. The teachers yes to not have to call what they think
is a boy. How is that religion? Religion? They like to act
like freedom of religion means you could treat people like shit if you have a
problem with them being queer. Separate of state and religion has never actually truly
completely happened in this country. Fuck all, y'all. If the policies receive
final approval, they will affect more than one million children enrolled in the States
public school system. Many of these students are expressing deep concerns about the model
policies released Friday. As a matter of fact, you know what, what
gidget shout it my kids that go to Madison High School. I love Madison
High School and this is part of the reason that my ex hates Madison High
School. So Madison High School sent out a letter saying that they love all
of their LGBTQ plus students and they know that there's some worry and issues and
things going on right now with these laws, and that they're here for everyone.
Wow. Yeah, it's a great school. It's a great school.
This is what a student said about the policies as a closeted student. I
wouldn't be able to come home if my parents found out that I was queer.
I am terrified that these draft regulations will take away one of the few
places I can just be myself. Yeah. Awful. The Youngcan administration counters
that the new policies are part of his commitment to parental rights someone else's parents
and their rights about your child. Right, Oh my god. He also
says, the asshole, it is not under a schools or the government's purview
to impose a set of particular ideological beliefs on all students. What the fuck
are you doing when you're pressing heterosexuality. You're doing the same thing that you
are accusing the queer community of doing. Shelley, That's normal. Sorry,
Gidget, thanks, that's right. So again, this is going to go
to a vote and hopefully gets struck down. Democrat Delegate Danica Roem she says,
you can't use executive action to overturn whatever this code is. The Virginia
Human Rights Act ROM, Virginia's first openly transgender state lawmakers said in a tweet,
if you want to break the law, then we'll see you in court.
Nice. Yeah, let's go. Craig Kna, the University of Virginia
law professor, said the Young administration's new policies simply ignore Virginia Statute. It's
like these people that have such a strong belief that the queers are out to
destroy everything, they think they can just Oh, I'm governor, let's make
a law. Fuck them, we're making a law. You can't just be
governor and make a fucking law, dude. I guess he can. Well
he has, but hopefully get struck down because it goes against human rights.
Baby, sorry, Gidget. Think about how many laws in this country alone
have gone against human rights over the decades. It just what else is new?
I know, I think just because it's more focused now. Well,
for the longest time I was part of this right wing bullshit and so none
of this this didn't phase me. I'm like, damn right, get those
books out because I was brainwashed and fucked in the head. Now that I'm
on the other side of it and see the hurt and the pain and I
am surrounded by the queer community, I get pissed. A piss I have
children who might not be able to who walks upt for our mom be exposed
in school to what is actually normal different genders, different identities, different races.
You know, group plans, protest of model policies. Thank you,
thank you, October sixth at Luther Jackson Middle School, and I bet there
will be tons of conservatives as well, so that'll be a fun fight.
They say the revised guidelines will hurt students in a time where students are facing
unparalleled mental health challenges. Thank you. Yeah, why are you fucking doing
this when you hopefully know that LGBTQ plus youth are the top as far as
suicide ideation and attempting suicide and suicide in general. So when you say you're
trying to protect the family, fuck you. You're trying to protect certain families.
Yeah. Do you think it's more important that your child never sees anything
queer? Is that? Is Johnny more important than Susie who is considering taking
their own life because of this? I fucking hit None of my none of
my kids, None of my kids are more important than a child who will
take their own life because of what I'm teaching. I love my kids,
I adore my kids, but I do not want to teach them anything and
have them act in any way that would cause another child to want to take
their own life, right period, end of a fucking story. Yeah,
thanks for coming to my ted, It's all I got baby. Oh no,
you did have that little thing about those personal libraries that people have.
What are those called? Yeah? Yeah, I can't think of it.
It's like the little library where people can be called little library, I don't
know. And it used to take a book and then do you drop off
a book or you just take books or whatever? Does that work in Vienna?
And it's I'm sure it's other places to people can build like a mini
libraries basically looks like a large mailbox. Typically they're everywhere. Okay, so
it's not to know. I'm just not I just don't remember what they're called.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And I know that our good
friend Diana who's been on the podcast has one in her front yard and she
specifically wants and does put queer books in there, and same thing that I
want to do. Anyway, my encouragement if people are like, well,
what are we supposed to do that? Well, I mean this is this
is infuriating. What do we do A talk about it? Be if you're
in a house where you are allowed to put something out front, build a
library. You can look online and how to do it. You can find
the books. Likely once in a while someone will put a book of Mormon
in your library, and now that's happened before. You may burn that one
and ban it. But let's keep those books out there. What if libraries
get shut down, we as the community can keep those books out there available
to people who need them. It's called little Free library. There you go,
and you can go to a little Free Library dot org if you want
to start your own. I love it. So you're going to start one?
Yes, Gidget, Yes, Mary, that's just too funny. I'm
Marry, I'm Gidget. Oh my gosh. Well I'm excited about you starting
that. That's really too Yeah. Diana is cool. It's all decorated with
LGBTQ colors, Yeah, trans and gay flag, all that stuff. It's
cool as it should be. Yeah. Well shit, everybody, we gotta
we gotta stop this bullshit. Yeah, fight back, people, fight the
fuck back, help us out. Let's take another commercial break, and then
we've got some patrons and supercast members. Maybe we just need to do their
last names according to book titles seems appropriate book titles that exist? Well,
yeah, would you want to make them up? Well, I might have
to because I don't know a lot of books. I've read a lot when
I was young, and then I turned old and got hella busy. But
I am listening to audiobooks lately. Well that counts. That counts. All
right, great, all right, there are a lot of books out there.
Yes, I think we got this, Yes, all right, We'll
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Exactly five patrons? Right? Number one is one of my favorite people,
and I'm just gonna say his full name, oh shit, and then
give him a new name. Richard rawlins. He is so fun. Yeah,
we've run him to him numerous times. He always dresses up at some
as something hilarious. When we were in Utah, he dressed as Joseph Smith.
But as interpreted via south Park South Parks Interpretation nominal h Richard rawlins.
We need we need a word that starts with our. You mean a book?
Yes, all right? Is it cheating to look up book titles?
No? Ahead, just fifty famous book titles from literature. Go, um,
here's one called Rosemary and Rue. Have you ever heard of that?
I have not, but Richard Rosemary is a great name, is it?
And Rosemary also is delicious on pork. Yeah, I'm kind of into sage
right now. We did buy some stage at the farmer's market, and we
bought some papas roots. We did. I'm just saw on that out there.
Pause and talk about it. Sure, talk about some papas. Next
up, Christie. N Oh, well, I've got one here called No
Wind of Blame. I've never heard of this book. Well that would make
her name Christie. No. Oh you don't like that, I mean Christie,
No Christie, No Wind of Blame. Okay, take that and do
what you want for it. Christie, thanks for your patronage. By the
way, Sorry about the ship name. Oh how about Christie? No Country
for Old Men? Oh that's a good better one. Yeah, it's a
good book as well. I just I saw the movie. Okay, next
and get a book. Oh I want one. Oh, you got one
as good as it gets. Is that a book or just a movie?
I don't know, but I like it. Okay, fine, you do
one. That's a great movie. By the way, Mike an it starts
with A. I mean as is not really a word. How about Anne
of green Gables gonna be the green game green Gables? And I apologize profusely
that Mary gave you that name, and of green Gables, thanks for your
patronage. Please don't cancel just because that's your name. The next one,
the name that this person chose to put was Emily with two s two s's
Nope, just ses could be a typo? Oh? Could she wants?
Is the last name? Emily with two s? Ees? What letter am
I using? I'm not sure what's happening. Let's go with E because it's
ees. Okay, because he's an easy one. Nope? Why am I
having trouble thinking of book titles right now? I don't know? Oh I
got one, okay, go East of Eden John Steinbeck. Okay, the
author of that one. I like it. We could have also done Eclipse.
Oh right, but in the New Moon or whatever Twilight series? The
Twilight series? Has that been banned? Probably no, because it was written
by a Mormon. Oh that's true, and it is all heterosexual. It
is, and they don't actually have sex till they're married. Oh, thank
you Mormons. For showing that shit in there. I say, we banned
that fucking book. Emily with two eclipses. Two eclipses, well, that
was the name of the book, so it's not East of Eden that had
two ease in it. Naturally, Emily with two East of Eden that is
better. It's two s's or two ease. I'm so just fly, just
go on, Thank you, Emily, Thanks Emily. Next up, Audrey
b b Huh, Okay, I have to go back to a kid's book
that I liked. Okay, Berenstein Bears, I love that one. Double
b. Yeah, Audrey Berenstein Bears, Thank you so much for your patronage.
Everybody, thank you? Serious? Is that all? Five? That's
five? Now you got some squad cast, right or super cast whatever you
want to call you pick a name. We're giving people new names right now.
So see you're read naming super cast squadcast. Squadcast is actually a way
to record remote interviews. We don't use it currently. Oh so I can't
just take that name and use it because it's already a thing. Okay,
okay, So the first up for super Cast members Scott w and then the
book that comes to mind. I want to do it. You have been
waiting for a w You have Where the Red Fern Grows. Oh, okay,
that's a good one. I was gonna say when to the Willows?
But I like yours. Thank you, Scott, Where the Red Fern Grows?
Thank you? All right? Well, do you have an S for
Angela s? I have one? Okay? Go. Ernest Hemingway wrote,
the Sun also rises. I wasn't counting the yeah, like you wouldn't let
me count the ass. The sun also rises. I like it. Have
we read any of these books? Of all the books she named, I
read Berenstein Bears and We're The Red Fern Grows. That's it. Did you
read any of them? I didn't read. I was going to say I
read East of Eden, but I didn't. But there was a movie starring
Jane Seymour back in the day that I watched about them. That book.
Yeah, I think I was that book. But in movie for got you
you know how it happens. Yeah, people take books and they turn them
into movies. Right. Oh. Speaking of shout out to our friend Katie
Mack, she recommended I listened to the book where the Crawdad's Seeing on an
audio book and I did, and I really enjoyed it. And then the
movie just came out on Amazon Prime and Mary and I watched it and I
fucking loved it because I knew the background and like the details of it all.
Yeah, thanks Katie Mack. Totally loved it. M M. The
next name is Heather E. It's another E, isn't it it is?
How about Eat Pray Love? Did anyone ever see that? Yeah? See
it or read it. I'm gonna go with read it, Eat Pray Love.
That's a great one. Yeah, you've read it, or you watched
it, or you just heard it's great. Um, I think see we're
going with whoever said it was great? That's your new last name? All
right? And the last Supercast member today Emily are An. There are Yeah,
here's one I haven't read. It's supposed to be um one of the
top fifty books. It's called Remembrance of Things Past, although I don't get
too hung up on remembering things past because I want to I like to live
in the moment. I can't remember jack shit, so it's it's not.
Yeah. So if there's one called a Anxious about the Future, that would
be book. Yeah, I think you should write that lets people can relate.
I mean, let me tell you everything I'm worried about that's gonna go
down today. Yep, that could be a great best seller. I'm sure
I can go on this list. Next year we'll be reading this list and
it'll say fifty one of the best books ever sold. Well, yeah,
it's for people who are tired of just maintaining sort of a level content life
of no drama. Like people get sick of that. Sometimes someone to write
a book on how to blow your anxiety out of the water, stay amped
up all the time. Yes, it sounds like a best seller. Okay,
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But that is gonna come down eventually. I'm moving in a week,
you are, and then I'm actually moving to a larger space in my apartment
building as well, so we will have a recording student, actual studio.
We're doing a goofy thing right now. Yeah, and in my house,
I'm pretty sure there will be room for a small recording studio. Look at
that, we can just record everywhere. There you go like it? All
right, Well that's gonna do it for today's episode. Thanks everybody listening.
Thank you Dan from Extension Audio. Thanks for leaving it in. Dan,
appreciate it. Sorry, this one's a little goofy. We're gonna get back
to normal as soon as I figure out my garage band problem. I've got
a big garage band problem right now. Not sure what's going on, don't
know. And you know what, Sty're clear of those cults because they are
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