1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,919 All right off a weekend and has seen a surprising upset of England's Joe Joyce. 2 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:10,320 We are ready to recap back. We're ready to hear from the w 3 00:00:10,519 --> 00:00:17,280 BA Light heavyweight champion and recent winner over Canelo Alvarez, Dmitri Beebol. You'll 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,039 hear from him on this podcast and much more. It is the Fight Freaks 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,199 Unite Recap. I am merely the somewhat capable host. He is our insider 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,719 from his Fight Freaks Unite substack and from Big Fight Weekend dot Com headed out 7 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,679 to Las Vegas. Is he packed yet? We're about to find out. 8 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:36,640 Hello, Dan Raphael off the weekend, how are feeling? I am not 9 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:40,880 packed yet. That will take place probably some time on Tuesday night before. 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:47,520 I'd agree with the Morning that, unlike our female better haves who plan this 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,600 stuff out and have a game plan and lay it out two days in advance, 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,119 are you like me? And I believe probably ninety eight percent of the 13 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:57,920 male population that if we're going out of town, even for multiple days, 14 00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:02,320 we ain't packing to the very last minute, like the night before maybe even 15 00:01:02,359 --> 00:01:06,120 and I've done this like ninety minutes before I'm flying, I'm still packing and 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,000 it drives my wife absolutely bonkers. Do you agree with me that most males 17 00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:12,319 are with us that we don't yes out in advance. Now, I don't 18 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:15,959 do it that close. What I typically do as somebody that has spent the 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,560 better part of twenty plus years traveling on a regular basis to go cover fights, 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,239 is I have it like God forbid I the day comes where I get 21 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:29,120 a new suitcase because I'll be packing is I'm so used to packing it exactly 22 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:33,280 the same way every single time. I'm such a creature of tabot? Question 23 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:36,480 how long have we been going with the same suitcase? Because I don't know 24 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:38,040 the answer? Are we talking about five years? Are we talking about ten 25 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:44,159 years? Fifteen years with the same suitcase? Okay, I have to figure 26 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,959 this out. The luggage that I use was a gift from my mother. 27 00:01:49,599 --> 00:01:55,560 I believe when my wife and I got engaged, so we got married in 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,480 two thousand and four, I believe that that was a gift in two thousand 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,280 and three. Are we talking about the same piece of luggage from like the 30 00:02:02,319 --> 00:02:07,479 first George Bush administration? Is that what we're talking about? Like three two 31 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,919 thousand and two, something like, Yeah, Well, here's the thing. 32 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:15,159 Though that piece of luggage, besides one little issue with one zipper, is 33 00:02:15,199 --> 00:02:20,240 actually an out I mean, amazing condition forteen twenty years old. There's literally 34 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,560 no need for me to get into a piece of luggage at this moment. 35 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,120 But that's my normal. That's my normal. Carry on the roller bag that 36 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:30,159 I've been This traveled the entire United States with me, It traveled internationally with 37 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,960 me, and God forbid the day comes where I have to get into one, 38 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,520 because I will be all confusing how to pack it. The socks go 39 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:38,680 on the same place, the toiletry bag goes in the same place to shoot, 40 00:02:38,719 --> 00:02:42,599 you know, the pants, the church, the whole nine. Everything 41 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:46,159 is its own spot. So please when I if necessary, to fleece the 42 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:50,319 place if necessary. Yeah. So when I, as you mentioned, when 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,680 I pack, I won't do it like you and nineteen minutes before because I'll 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,520 be getting up super early when I go to bed on Tuesday night. The 45 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,080 last thing I will do after I like, you know, brush my teeth 46 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,439 and a wash up a little bit and I come back into my bedroom and 47 00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:04,439 I get ready to actually lay down and go to sleep, is I will 48 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:07,439 finish packing everything I can and then save a couple of things that need to 49 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:08,840 go in the morning, and that's that. I got it pretty much down 50 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,560 to a science. Now. I'm not traveling as much anymore as I did 51 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:15,319 for a while, but it's not like I don't travel so I know what 52 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,120 I'm doing. I'm an expert. I'm a pro. I'm liking all of 53 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:21,719 this. Is this the stuff you get on the Fight Freaks to Unite recap 54 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:24,080 and part of the Big Fight Weekend podcast feed. Hopefully you're following subscribing. 55 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:29,560 We love all of this. Follow subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, 56 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:31,159 Spotify. A couple of you have been rating us and reviewing us. Keep 57 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:37,400 doing that. I've been told people are leaving comments on different podcast outlets as 58 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,479 well on some of them. But give us a five star rating in review, 59 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:44,560 quick couple of sentences that you like it. It will help us. 60 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:49,560 It will help us with the algorithms, etc. If Apple in particular is 61 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,639 seeing ratings and reviews, and we are getting more and more podcast audience rolling 62 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,879 in great conversation with Dan and Ryan Garcia. It is Davis Garcia week. 63 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:01,159 That's why Dan has hitded out the Vegas more coverage on that. We'll even 64 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:05,800 probably put the Ryan Garcia interview up as its own thing here in a day 65 00:04:05,879 --> 00:04:10,159 or two. So again, if you're following or subscribing, you get that 66 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:14,039 without any other need for notification. One other note before we get into the 67 00:04:14,039 --> 00:04:17,160 recaps. It was your son's birthday this weekend, on the anniversary of Hagler 68 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,279 and Hearns, which, by the way, for the record, we left 69 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:26,079 overnight Thursday to Friday with me saying that I'm going to watch the Hagler Hearns 70 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,720 fight or first round a couple of times. Can I confess to you this 71 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,319 is like confessional either one of us are Catholic. I think I've watched it 72 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,120 six or seven times. I've watched the first round three times, and I've 73 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:42,959 watched the full fight at least twice, since this is still the first round. 74 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,560 And I've watched even Al michaels and and Al Bernstein's call with Al saying 75 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,560 how long can they keep this up? Not very long? At this pace 76 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,279 in the opening round, it's it's incredible to go back. So what about 77 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:58,040 you? Did you rewatch it once twice? Seven? How many times I 78 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,600 watched? I rewatched it, like you know, in it's entire already one 79 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:02,639 full time. Then I went back and rewatched the first round. You're parts 80 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,720 of the first round a couple of times. A matter of fact, I 81 00:05:04,759 --> 00:05:11,959 did watched not only the HBO version with Barry Tompkins, but I also rewatched 82 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:15,160 the close circuit and the one that was most people saw on the live call 83 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,839 with Al Bernstein and Al Michaels and listen they the thing about is there. 84 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:25,600 They both have famous attributes to them, and they both are excellent calls of 85 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,600 the fight. They're both and you can tell, why do you guys, 86 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,279 look who's doing them. You've got three of the best sportscasters you know it 87 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:35,079 ever called fights before doing them. So you know, here we are still 88 00:05:35,079 --> 00:05:39,160 talking about it a thirty eight years later, a second podcast, they're all 89 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,000 talking about it. Yeah, no doubt. And it was your son's birthday. 90 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,720 You would like to report Dan is present here on the podcast. You 91 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,199 survived the birthday party where they're uh seven twenty seven fifty nine other young men 92 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,040 that were at your son's party. You you said to me, the organized 93 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,720 chaos mayhem. You survived. That's the good thing I did. I survived. 94 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,519 It was organized, k it was it was actually disorganized. Last cast 95 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,480 organized as best and been blessed my wife or handle in the details. She 96 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:06,959 did a great job, but it was it was chaotic. My son turned 97 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:11,560 ten years old, so he's got his friends from his different various groups, 98 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,959 whether it's the skating group he's with, or kids from school, our kids 99 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,360 from the neighborhood, whatever. I think it was a total of about twenty 100 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:26,360 eight kids and obviously many of their parents, many of their parents also And 101 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:29,120 we were at this and I don't even know how my wife found it because 102 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,399 it's not like in our neighborige. So it was a little ways away, 103 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:33,680 probably like a half an hour from our house. We had it at a 104 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,839 She told me, we're having a bowling party. All right, that sounds 105 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,000 cool, right, a bowling party ten years old? Okay, kids liked 106 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,439 the bowl. But it wasn't just a bowling on how much to my surprise, 107 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,480 it was like an entertainment center that was a part. Oh yeah, 108 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,199 so they had bowling alley. They had Now we didn't do all these things, 109 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:53,920 but you could have. There was goat carts, there was people line 110 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,600 dancing, there was a laser tag thing, there was a r so the 111 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:01,600 kids an hour party had we had a couple of bowling lanes and the kids 112 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:04,680 bowled and we had food and drinks and stuff. And then they also when 113 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,480 they were done bowling for the you know, hour and a half for whatever 114 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,279 it was. Uh, then everybody had cards to go play like X number 115 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:18,399 of time or money or whatever it was in the arcades. So it missus 116 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:21,360 Rayfield's party planning the next time and get in on some of these events. 117 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:27,519 I just want what I would saying, it was a little bit more Uh, 118 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:30,040 I would say fancy, because it was a freaking bowling alley. But 119 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,720 it was like a little bit more of a big deal this year for two 120 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,800 reasons. One figure ten is kind of like a big deal compared to nine 121 00:07:36,839 --> 00:07:42,319 or eleven. And also because of COVID and other reasons, it was our 122 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,800 first time having an in person birthday party since twenty nineteen. Wow, so 123 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:48,519 it was time to get back to having like a real party with the real 124 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,240 people and all that. So, uh, those two things combined, you 125 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:58,120 know, it all worked out twenty eight. Good lord, that's like trying 126 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,639 to nake parents to a tree. As we say. All I know is 127 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,519 if you had gotten behind the wheel of a goal card, I would want 128 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:09,399 not just stills. I would want video of that, so I gotta I 129 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:11,759 gotta find that out down the road. If you ever get behind the wheel 130 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:13,160 of a goal cart. We didn't do go carts. It was it was 131 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,639 bowling, and it was really in the adults in bowl. The kids bowled, 132 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,160 and then the kids had their video games, and the and the parents 133 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:24,160 and we sat around and talked and had a few adult beverages. Fair enough, 134 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:24,839 and then we got to the fights, and why don't we get to 135 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:28,279 the fights, and then we'll get to Dmitri b Bowl the WBA lay by 136 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,039 the way, just in this I now have seen the entirety we're gonna talk 137 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,519 about the the zang Jo a big upset against Joey Joyce. But just to 138 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,399 let you know, and I think I think I told you this. I 139 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,080 saw the first two rounds live sitting in my office. But then we had 140 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,039 to go to the party. So I was like, okay, no problem. 141 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,200 So my wife was driving, I'm all right, I'll just pop on 142 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,360 my phone and i'll watch while we're driving and i'll catch the rest of it 143 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:54,559 on ESPM plus you know I'm on the smartphone. Well, it turned out 144 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,399 that for whatever reason, like there was like a dead zone. I couldn't 145 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:00,600 get any connectivity for a while. By the time I finally got connected, 146 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,799 they were like waving off the fight. So and then once you're in the 147 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,679 bowling alley, the reception was horrible. So I never got a chance to 148 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,200 actually watch the I knew what happened, and I saw the very end, 149 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,799 and i'd seen the first two rounds. I had to watch the remainder of 150 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,279 it, and then I wrote what I wrote from my substack newsletter when I 151 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,360 got home from the party that night, So I did see the full fight. 152 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,799 But it's the first time I've missed that kind of fight, lie in 153 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:22,320 a long, long long it's a good reason. It was the tenth birthday 154 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,919 party. And it's not as if this was the world heavyweight title. It 155 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,600 was a secondary version of it. And I was giving you a couple of 156 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,799 updates, and when you finally got self service, you're like, Okay, 157 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,039 you told me what happened. I found out what happened, and so let's 158 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:39,720 get into it. The main event of the Queensberry Promotions show saw Jang pull 159 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,279 the win, and you and I didn't see it coming. We thought this 160 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,080 was gonna be Joe Joyce. You know who I'm gonna credit. You know 161 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,320 who I'm gonna prop right here on the Big Fight Weekend podcast because he was 162 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,799 on it. Even if we were not on it. Tim Bradley did not 163 00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:54,799 say outright win, but he talked and they and Dan they had to fill 164 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,519 TV term and fill and fill sitting on the studio in Las Vegas. And 165 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:05,639 you saw some of this on the Vegas Strip. The ESPN announcers Bernardo Azuna, 166 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,039 Mark Kriegel, Tim Bradley were sitting in that studio and there were so 167 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,799 there was so much downtime that had to fill. And I don't know if 168 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:13,960 you saw the segment and they maybe showed it a couple times because they had 169 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,240 so much time where Tim Bradley was showing Joe Joyce and said, here's what 170 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:20,120 concerns me. The head is right down the middle in the slot. Every 171 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,840 time he throws a punch, particularly a jab with the left hand, he's 172 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,279 right there to be hit. And he said, for Xiang with that straight 173 00:10:30,399 --> 00:10:33,559 left, the right jab or the straight left, he's gonna walk right into 174 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,200 those punches. And he said it more than once, and he even said 175 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,080 it at the beginning of the fight and he was dead on and that was 176 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,799 the biggest difference maker coming in. Go ahead, But Joyce always gets caught 177 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,159 coming in. It just so happened that he was getting caught from an angle 178 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:48,679 he wasn't used to because he you know, he does have a good chin, 179 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:50,960 and you know, it wasn't his chin and gave out. He took 180 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,440 the shots with no Problemits that to one of them or two of them, 181 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,960 or then a bunch after that kept landing on his eye and it you know, 182 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,399 the straight left hand hitting him on the right eye, and the eye 183 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:01,120 was damage. Wasn't that he got a bad chin and got knocked down or 184 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:03,840 got knocked out. And you know, I see all these wacky people. 185 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:07,919 It was shook a couple of times early in the fight. It was I 186 00:11:07,919 --> 00:11:09,720 didn't get knocked out, but yeah, by the way, Zang was shook 187 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:13,279 a couple of times. Also, these are big men's thrown big punches. 188 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:16,279 But the fact that I saw people on social media suggesting that, you know, 189 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Joe Joyce has finished, Joe Joyce should retire, Joe Joyce was exposed. 190 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,200 Joe Joyce is nothing. I mean, I don't know what people want. 191 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,120 I mean, he didn't have to take a fight like this. We 192 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:26,080 knew it was a tough fight. He even if we thought he would win 193 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,679 the fight. People are telling me it wasn't upset. Yes, it wasn't 194 00:11:28,759 --> 00:11:33,120 upset because the betting line was dramatic. Yeah, and lay, I mean, 195 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,679 say whatever you wanted about his abilities. He's a silver medal winner. 196 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,440 He was a two time Olympian. Joe Joyce was a silver medal winner in 197 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:45,159 the Olypics after Zale was. But here's the thing. His entire professional career, 198 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,559 and he's been a pro for like ten years, he spought garbage except 199 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,399 for two fights until he fought Joyce. He stepped up against Jerry Forrest, 200 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,080 which if that's your step up, you know you're not taking that big of 201 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,440 a step up, and he was life in death. He ended up in 202 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,399 the hospital. He you know, he barely got a draw in that fight. 203 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,639 That was a terrible performance and he knows it. And then in his 204 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,399 most recent fight, prior to the Joyce fight, he did fight Philip Hergovic. 205 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:13,720 Last in his previous fight, which was an IBF pightlet eliminator, great 206 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:18,080 fight, close fight. A lot of people thought that John won the fight. 207 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:20,480 I was like a lot of people also, I thought that are going 208 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:22,080 to cheeked it out. But it was close. However you had it, 209 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,039 I mean, no quarrel if you had it one way or the other. 210 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:28,759 And those are his two fights, so there was nothing in his background. 211 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,039 And and I know his people purposely undermatched him for a long time because they 212 00:12:33,039 --> 00:12:37,399 were so concerned about some of his ability to take a shot or his mobility 213 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:39,960 or whatever. So okay, he proved us wrong because now he has a 214 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,440 real win under his belt because previous you know, I'm always skeptical when a 215 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,399 guy makes his reputation when he's one and one against the two guys t fights. 216 00:12:48,759 --> 00:12:50,879 I mean I kind of used the Razor Ruddick example. I mean, 217 00:12:50,879 --> 00:12:56,799 this is a guy who was in his in his big fights, was oh 218 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:01,240 in three, but made the rep off those three losses to Lennox Lewis by 219 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,879 crushing knockout and then once by you know, somewhat controversial but a knock got 220 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:09,639 none less against Tyson and then losing a decision to Mike in the rematch. 221 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:15,200 So when when when your rep is built on those results, it's hard to 222 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,279 see you moving beyond that. Now in the case of his ZISLA. Good 223 00:13:18,279 --> 00:13:20,840 for him. He got a big win over Joe Joyce. Not bigof Joe 224 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,559 Joyce was somehow exposed. He had a better a better fight. I mean 225 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,360 Joyce did what he always does. He threw a ton of punches. You 226 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,960 look at the copy box, he threw like four times as many. He 227 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,120 actually landed more punches, but the last punches were obviously heavier, and he 228 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,600 did a huge amount of damage to that eye and did the doctor had to 229 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:41,320 stop the fight. But it was it wasn't like it was a non competitive 230 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,720 fight. I mean John was winning the fight obviously, but it was a 231 00:13:43,759 --> 00:13:46,840 good fight. And uh, it's a huge win for him. He gets 232 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:50,480 the w BO interim title. It puts him in the mandatory position with that 233 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,480 organization. For it was sick, but anybody that follows the way that the 234 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,480 rotation is going to go in these mandatories knows that he's and this would have 235 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:01,399 been the same case even if Joyce was the maintain the position. Neither guy. 236 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,360 They're not getting that title shot probably for at least a year, maybe 237 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:11,200 longer. And I say that because next up is Duba the WBA mandatory. 238 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:16,799 Hopefully that fight takes place sometime in the late summer. Maybe. I don't 239 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:18,320 even know if Fusik will fight more than once this year. He may just 240 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,759 do the Duba fight and that's that. But whether he fights once or twice 241 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,039 after that is then the IBF mandatory, which is hergatch, and then only 242 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:31,799 then would become the mandatory against the WBO mandatory, which is a zongs Will 243 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,279 Lay. So he's not gonna lay off for a year. He's gonna have 244 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,639 to go out there and his team take a rest and they'll look for some 245 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:39,279 other big fight for him or whatever whatever they can drum up. By the 246 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:43,360 way, the same way that Joyce did instead of waiting for Usik, decided 247 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:46,960 to fight zongs Will Lay on Saturday. And I wrote about this, by 248 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,519 the way on Sunday on the Big five weekend website, Little Plug, Little 249 00:14:50,519 --> 00:14:54,320 Cross promotion. That good on Joyce, that he took the risk and not 250 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,799 unlike as we come off the weekend last weekend where we saw Sebastian Fondora take 251 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,759 the risk. We didn't know how much of a risk, but it turns 252 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,360 out it was a risk and Brian Mendoza knocked him out. And my point 253 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:11,320 simply is that I would much rather see guys not only be active but take 254 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:15,360 fights where they're taking a risk. And I have more respect for them, 255 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:18,200 even in a loss, for having done that than some of these guys. 256 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,679 And I see you nodding with me. So these guys that want to fight 257 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:24,960 one time a year and have it be against a fighter that doesn't really threaten 258 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:28,440 them or anybody else. So I give more respect to Joyce because you're right 259 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,559 now. I think I think we can agree on the fact that the risk 260 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:35,879 that Joe Joyce took was a far greater risk on paper than Fundora. I 261 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:41,559 mean gay, you know, but it was still I mean, Fundora could 262 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:45,279 have sat back, though, and waited for the result of Charlo and Zoo. 263 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:48,360 I know you know this, but he took a risk with a guy 264 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:52,200 that had knocked out Jason Rozario, and you know, maybe it's gonna happen, 265 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,519 maybe not, But I agree with you, and I thought one other 266 00:15:54,559 --> 00:16:00,000 point, what about this? And uh he had told ESPN this, Zang 267 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:04,000 told them this that Hey, people can talk about going against me, but 268 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,519 who else are you going to find its six foot seven and a South Paul 269 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,440 to be able to replicate what I can do in sparring and training and until 270 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,240 you get in there with me. Like you said, the angles, the 271 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:18,559 angles from which the punches are coming. I thought that was a very interesting 272 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,559 point, and man didn't turn out to be correct. Yeah, no, 273 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:25,879 he definitely And you know, I mean, it's an upset that he won, 274 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,600 but the fact that it was competitive and that they were both landing, 275 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,759 I'm not surprised by that part of it. I did think that Joyce wouldin 276 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,360 the fight, but the fact that he hung in there and did what he 277 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:37,559 did is not a total shock. I mean, they stood in close quarters 278 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,360 for most of that fight. They exchanged punches on a regular basis. It's 279 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,759 just that Joyce could not get away from the left hand, and it made 280 00:16:45,799 --> 00:16:48,480 me think to myself, by the way, when I was thinking about how 281 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,759 badly he was unable to deal with the left I look back at my advanced 282 00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:56,440 story that I wrote on the fight, and he spoke at the news conference 283 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:00,840 about Zang being a left handed fighter and him having not fought a south pass 284 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:04,680 since his fourth professional fight against a fighter named Lenroy Thomas, when he, 285 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,240 I believe won the Commonwealth title. So I know based on that that it 286 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:11,880 was definitely on his mind that fighting a lefty was a little bit of a 287 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,839 different scenario. Now, some guys they deal with it just fine. Some 288 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,240 guys they have a little bit more of a problem handling it. It surprises 289 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:22,200 me that Joyce would have had that much difficulty because a man like him who 290 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,279 had so much amateur background, even if he only has now what fifteen or 291 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,559 sixteen professional fights fifteen yea, this was a sixteen pro fight. As an 292 00:17:30,559 --> 00:17:33,039 amateur, you see styles like that all the time. In a matter of 293 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:34,359 fact, I was thinking, I don't know every single one of Joe Joyce's 294 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,799 amateur fights, but he also has I know at least one amateur loss to 295 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,519 Use who was a south pot. So clearly that's not his best kind of 296 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:45,599 opponents. So when it came to taking this fight, it is now that 297 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,759 in retrospect, not Monday morning quarterbacking. But because I hadn't really thought about 298 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,359 it until this now that he and his team decided to fight Zaying in this 299 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,680 position as a left ender, because they could have had another fighter of that 300 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:00,559 level that was somebody different that would have probably accepted the fight. But look, 301 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:03,160 like you said, credit to him, he took to gamble, and 302 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:04,559 I thought he handled it well. In his interview, he was humble. 303 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:07,039 It's like, you know, he got me. You know he's a good 304 00:18:07,079 --> 00:18:11,720 fighter. He does have as I confirmed with the people at Queensberry Promotion, 305 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,720 Joe Joyce has the right to a rematch, and Queensberry not only does he 306 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:21,440 have the right to a rematch, but Queensbury also now have options on the 307 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,079 next three fights of jan Zala. So there's now a promotional entanglement there, 308 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:30,160 which means if there's some other Queen's very heavyweight that they wanted to try to 309 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,400 negotiate a fight weight, it would certainly make it easier. I'm not saying 310 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,160 it's easy, but the point is it more possibly opens a door for like 311 00:18:38,279 --> 00:18:41,960 a Fury fight, perhaps a Dubua fight if it doesn't come off with us 312 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,880 or something like that. Those are two other heavyweights obviously that Queensberry works with. 313 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,160 So Queensberry is loaded down right now. They got the most of the 314 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,720 better guys and bigger names in the heavyweights. If they are the promoter of 315 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:56,559 Fury, they are now a co promoter of Zanga. They still promote D'Angel 316 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,880 Dua, and they are still the promoter of Joe Joyce's four pretty good names 317 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,960 in the heavyweight division. All right, Two other quick points that I want 318 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,240 to move on to Michael A. Mayer and her win over a last minute 319 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:08,680 opponent, which again when we left on this podcast overnight Thursday to Friday, 320 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,680 we didn't know there was going to be a last minute opponent, but it 321 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,160 turns out that there was. And then we're gonna hear from Dmitri b. 322 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:18,759 Bold coming up here in a few minutes with Dan in the conversation. Those 323 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:22,920 two quick points would be would be a criticism easy from the armchair. But 324 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,759 did Joyce's corner do a good enough job of stopping the swelling on that eye, 325 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,640 especially when it started up in like the third round? I think that's 326 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,759 valid on helping him, and then as a piggyback, did they do enough? 327 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,599 I don't think they did. We didn't hear all of it in between 328 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,319 rounds. On giving him the urgency of the doctor could stop this fight. 329 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,319 You've got to step on the gas and try to take him out, because 330 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:49,920 I didn't really sense that from the corner. What's your reaction to both of 331 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,799 those things before we move on, Well, in terms of the second point 332 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:57,680 you made about not conveying urgency in the moment, I agree with that there 333 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:02,559 was no urgency, which is actually it was kind of surprising. And and 334 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,599 there's plenty of pressing at where you know a guy is in a bad situation 335 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,480 and they need to be told, listen, you better go out there and 336 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:08,960 get this guy. And I always think about, you know, there's two 337 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:14,359 great moments, and they both happened to be uh James Tony fights. The 338 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,480 fight he had the one that stands out the most to me, Well, 339 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,319 there's the one where he was on Oscar's undercard. He was badly, badly 340 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,720 cut, and his trainer told him go out there, you gotta you gotta 341 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,799 get him out here. They were gonna stop that fight. And he went 342 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,240 out there and and I forget the name of the opponent escapes me. At 343 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,119 the moment, Tim was a Tim Littles maybe, and he went out there 344 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,039 and he literally knocked him out like because he knew how bad the cut was, 345 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:34,240 and he got rid of him. But the one that's the famous one, 346 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,480 and the audio was phenomenal. That the that the production folks at HBO 347 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:41,160 picked up is now it turned out he didn't need this, but everybody else 348 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,400 thought it was a super close fight when James fought the absolutely Jura that ended 349 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,680 up winning the cruiserweight title in a fight that I was ringside for in Foxwoods. 350 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:52,720 You have the famous audio on the HBO where Freddie Roach, who was 351 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:55,960 training James at the times, got down in front of him and said, 352 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:57,839 you gotta put this guy in his ass. And James Tony went out there 353 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,559 in the twelfth runt and he put this jarp on his ass and he ended 354 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,880 up winning the decision. Now it turned out he didn't need the knockdown to 355 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,079 get the decision. But the only ones that didn't think that were the judges, 356 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,000 I guess because pretty much everybody else that was watching that fight. How 357 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,799 did they super close fight? But the point is that the corner of Joe 358 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:17,240 Joyce did not convey the urgency. Your other point about the quarter not being 359 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,119 able to control the swelling. I don't really give them a lot of grief 360 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,440 on that because if the orbit bone was broken, and I'm not aware if 361 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:26,880 it is or it wasn't, but I do know from talking to the Queensbury 362 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:32,599 people that Joe was going to the hospital after the fight Saturday to get it 363 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,200 checked out and make sure things were okay, but whatever the case is, 364 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,759 sometimes you just can't control the swelling. I was watching they were putting the 365 00:21:37,799 --> 00:21:41,960 ends of this was not a Mike Tyson where they got up and filled up 366 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,680 water, you know, glow filled up the cold water. They had the 367 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,200 right equipment in there, and they were trying to do their job. But 368 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,440 uh, you know, they're not a miracle workers. So I don't I 369 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,400 don't think there was an issue there, but I do think not conveying urgency 370 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,759 surprised me. There's two other instances too, and obviously you know this the 371 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,559 famous one with Diego Corrals where he had been knocked down. He's got the 372 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,519 swollen eye and goose and is telling in you better go get into you better 373 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,640 f and go get inside right now, want to knock him out. That 374 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,880 was just in that momentary break up. They're gonna stop this fight unless you 375 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,279 get inside and go knock him out. And he did. And then Ray 376 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,079 Leonard, It's interesting it wasn't in the corner though. That was on the 377 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,839 corner, true, but I mean still he gave him the urgency here, 378 00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:21,720 I mean, you gotta And so the other one is the famous Ray Leonard 379 00:22:21,759 --> 00:22:25,759 Thomas Hearns with the nine minutes left, you're blowing its son. So that's 380 00:22:25,799 --> 00:22:32,440 interesting because that was before obviously the thirteenth round, but before the fourteenth round 381 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,480 he's admonishing him again with the eye swelling. He's like, Ray, you've 382 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,799 got to get him out of there. There's another there's another exchange in the 383 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:38,920 corner. You gotta go get him, you gotta go get him out of 384 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,480 there. And he did. But then examples, just example, and those 385 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,480 are those are great examples. The thing about Angelo Dundee and working with Ray 386 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:49,279 Leonard is if you know Angelo, if you if you knew Angelo Dundee, 387 00:22:49,279 --> 00:22:52,640 who, by the way, one of the greatest people I ever met in 388 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,480 boxing. Absolutely love that man, adore him. I got to know him 389 00:22:56,839 --> 00:23:00,160 pretty well the first few years of my career before he passed. Um. 390 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:03,079 He was not a guy that did a lot of talking in the corner. 391 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,559 It was again the cool consum speaks soft and carry big sticks. So when 392 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:10,039 he said, you know he now I'm not, I'm not. Every trainer 393 00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:12,200 has their own style. Teddy Alice gets all fiery. Some guys, you 394 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,720 know, like Freddie will get right down and getting your face and tell you 395 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,880 exactly what to do. You know, everybody's got their own little different ways 396 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,839 than doing it. Uh. Like you men mentioned about the way that Joe 397 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:25,799 Goosen handled the Karrelis situation. Angelo was a man of very few words. 398 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:29,160 So if he said something like and Ray Leonard will attest this. I think 399 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,359 he's spoken about this before. I don't remember if he spoke to me about 400 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,319 her. I heard it in a documentary or whatever. But when he says 401 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,119 to him, you're blowing it, so you're blowing it, like that's the 402 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,000 code for you better go get this dude, Like that's about is hyped and 403 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:48,880 as as as jacked up as you'll see Angelo Dundee in a corner telling his 404 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,039 guy to go get the man um and Joge Joyce's corner, I feel like 405 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,759 probably should have had and said, Joe, the eye is you know, 406 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,519 we were in trouble here. You're it's not that you're you can't this fight, 407 00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:03,119 but they're gonna stop this fight because the eye is gonna be so blown 408 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,119 up. You got to go out there and just you know he's got the 409 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,480 power. This is. They're not talking to a a boxer who is going 410 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:14,119 to rely on scoring a twelve round. This decision and Uh, you know, 411 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,559 Joe was not made aware of that. I don't think maybe Joe didn't 412 00:24:15,599 --> 00:24:19,319 know how bad it was. Obviously he can't see. The conversation continues in 413 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,079 a moment. But first let's tell you about our friends at ppv dot com 414 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:27,240 coming up. It's one of the top fights of twenty twenty three already. 415 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,680 It's Jervonte Davis and Ryan Garcia on pay per view, and you've got to 416 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,240 get it. Why not get it through PPV dot com. Why because there's 417 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,599 no subscription necessary to the service. 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And they were stunned, largely stunned 436 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:03,960 crowd in England that was ready to roar for anything Joyce was doing. And 437 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,680 he was getting peppered from about the second round on in that fight. Okay, 438 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,480 real quick on MICHAELA. Mayer before we get to the Dmitri b Bol 439 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:18,480 conversation that you had with him recently. MICHAELA was to have fought Christine Lynn 440 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,480 Dartu when we again put this podcast to bed overnight Thursday and into Friday. 441 00:26:22,519 --> 00:26:27,279 Turns out lend Dhartu could not get licensed by the British Boxing Board of Control 442 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,839 that had concerns about her vision with the lens in her eye. All right, 443 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,400 so they find a last minute a replacement and so she steps in Mayer 444 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:44,559 one impressively that I mean, what else comes of this because it was really 445 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:48,119 a stay busy situation at that point. Find an emergency opponent, stay busy, 446 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,000 keep your name out there. And they followed through with that fight. 447 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,240 Well, one thing about Lucy Wildhard, who was the replacement. It wasn't 448 00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,880 like it just went and found some nobody a type of fighter. I mean, 449 00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,519 she's a quality female box It wasn't like she's a bomb or anything like 450 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,000 that. She's a you know, a very solid opponent for a short notice. 451 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,480 That's a very impressive. Say. Now, if you backtrack a little 452 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,720 bit, Top rank didn't know what the Lendartu problem was, but they knew 453 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,680 that there was an issue with the medical of some kind. And because their 454 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:18,759 professionals and because they've been in this business for over fifty years, and because 455 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,960 they've been around the block a thousand times, you know what better to go 456 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,119 out and let's say, if you get somebody on standby just in case something 457 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,839 happens. And my understanding is that's exactly what happened. So it was even 458 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:33,440 though she didn't officially take the fight to a Friday, when Lendartu was ruled 459 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,880 out, they again, it's not like they had weeks and weeks and I 460 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,359 notice, but it was more than twenty four hours, so you knew about 461 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,240 it for at least a few days would be fighting. You're saying, you're 462 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,599 the premise was you could be fighting wild hard if something happens, so yes, 463 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,480 or to get wild heart and say we may need you for Saturday, 464 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,240 so let's be aware. So they had her on standby, and she obviously 465 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,920 was in shape because she was able to go ten tough rounds. She didn't 466 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,920 have a problem making the one hundred and thirty five pound wait lined she was 467 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,519 I believe she was a rated fighter in some of the organizations. So they 468 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,480 got a good opponent. And it wasn't, by the way, just to 469 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,039 back up on Lendarto. My understanding, it wasn't that the board was concerned 470 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,799 about her vision. They were. Their problem was that they don't allow ow 471 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,759 I guess if you have an artificial lens to box in a professional boxing match, 472 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:27,119 And the problem with that is two things. One, my understanding from 473 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:33,119 sources is that Lendarto has had the lenses or lens for many years, basically 474 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,960 her whole career. But what makes matters even more bizarre is that in twenty 475 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,960 nineteen she fought and lost her junior walterway bell to Katie Taylor in a fight 476 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:45,759 that was regulated by the British Boxing Board, and so she was able to 477 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:49,960 be medically cleared and fight that fight with the same lens that she was disqualified 478 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,640 from fighting in on this past Saturday. So that tells me that they just 479 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,279 didn't do their job I guess the first time around, and either didn't find 480 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,759 it or didn't know it and uh she So which is it? You can 481 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,319 fight like she did in twenty nineteen, or you can't like they didn't allow 482 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:08,359 her in twenty twenty three. In any event, they got Lucy Wildhart Mikaela, 483 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,119 who was moving up to one hundred and thirty five pounds after losing her 484 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,640 belts in a three belt unification to Alicia bomb Gardner in her most recent fight. 485 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,519 She wanted to fight with dark To because that was the only woman that 486 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,119 ever beat bomb Garner. So if he can't get the rematch, do the 487 00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,680 next best thing is to go fight the woman that beat that woman. Uh, 488 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,200 it didn't work out the way Block she fought wild Art. She gave 489 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,200 a good account of herself. Wild Art did, but with Kayla, uh 490 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,880 did a very good job. Short, her jab was solid, she was 491 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,039 a little bit bigger, she was faster, and the biggest thing and you 492 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,119 don't really see this a lot in women's boxing. She really battered that body 493 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,359 of Lucy wild Heart. She really went at her in a vicious way to 494 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,319 the to the flanks and to the gut and all that and and really beat 495 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,880 her down to the body. And Uh. Even though wild Art again she 496 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,640 was game, and she made some of the rounds awfully competitive. You know, 497 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,720 in the end, not a hard fight to score. I think as 498 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,880 a look into the score as one was a one hundred ninety shot out ninety 499 00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:04,920 ninety two. It was a one sided route. But the scorers are obviously 500 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,359 much wider than if you watched and saw the competition that happened in each round. 501 00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:14,240 But Michaela wins. She's now got the WBC Interim lightweight belt. It 502 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:17,880 puts her at least in some kind of position to be a mandatory for Katie 503 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,720 Taylor, who was undisputed, but as MICHAELI spoke about in her post fight 504 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,759 comments, she knows that's not next. Obviously, Katie Taylor has the date 505 00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:30,519 with Shantell Cameron on May twentieth for the undisputed Junior beltiweight title, because Katie's 506 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,759 going up one weight class to try to take all the belts off Cameron. 507 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:37,640 Whatever happens in that, the expectation is that she will return to the lightweight 508 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,319 division and reschedule the fight with a man in the Serranto, which was supposed 509 00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:45,279 to be in May twentieth, but Serranto postponed because of her own injury, 510 00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:49,039 and then that would take Serrano and Katie through the end of this year and 511 00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:53,160 then maybe sometime in the in the first part of next year, michaela can 512 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,920 get a shot at Katie Taylor. And by the way, if you're Katie 513 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,920 Taylor, once you've fought Shantel amon for on discrete at one forty and you've 514 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,720 dealt out the rematch against Amanda Toronto, if you come through those fights MICHAELA. 515 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,079 Mayre is the next probably best name you could face. I mean, 516 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160 other than maybe if Felicia bomb Garner wanted to come up, but she's not 517 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,599 going to be an inventory and Katie, we'll have the mandatory against MICHAELA. 518 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,000 So the point here is that in the women's lightweight boxing division, in and 519 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:23,279 around that weight class, there are several attractive fights for those women, and 520 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,680 one of them I think absolutely would be Katie Taylor against Michael Lamare. And 521 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,160 she put herself in that position by doing a very good job in this fight 522 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,119 against Lucy Wildhurd and again adversity coming her way with who the opponent would be, 523 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,839 and she handled it. Well. That's the name of that game. 524 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,400 Okay, without further delay on the fight, Freach to Night recap is why 525 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,759 you want to be with us because Dan gets some of the biggest names in 526 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:51,119 boxing to come on board on the podcast. W BA light heavyweight champion Dmitri 527 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,319 b Bull which way is he headed undisputed title shot? Maybe to fight Canelo 528 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,319 Alvarez all of those different things. Yes, and also not only do we 529 00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:05,119 have an extended conversation with Dmitri on things related to his desire and folks will 530 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,960 hear about him wanting to fight Arthur better Bif, about how he wants to 531 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,799 handle the prospect if there's a Cano Alvarez rematch near the end of the year, 532 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:15,160 what weight class does he want to fight Canelo end if they go at 533 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960 it again. We also hear in the same interview because he was there just 534 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,839 because Bieble speaks excellent English, but just in case there's a little glitch where 535 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:27,599 he needs to clarify something for him, is always at his side as his 536 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,279 manager. Dem Dmitri's manager of Dadian Kornilov, So you will hear most of 537 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:36,599 this interview takes place of me and Dmitri having our conversation, and we were 538 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,680 on zoom so I could see both of them. Dimitri Dmitri, you know, 539 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:42,680 I had the conversation went around I want to say, maybe roughly around 540 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,640 the half waymark. You will then hear from Vadim Kornilov, who gives his 541 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,720 perspective on a few different things, mainly in terms of business side of things 542 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,920 that we discussed. Of the fact that they've been talking about a fight between 543 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,519 Dmitri Biebo and Heimi Mongia, a fight that you'll hear Dmitri, even though 544 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,240 it was something that's been on the table that he really doesn't want and I 545 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,839 don't blame him because it's really not much of a fight, but anyway, 546 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,279 we'll let the folks here, But it was it was a good chance to 547 00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,319 have a nice extended interview with one of the best fighters in boxing at a 548 00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:13,079 time where he's not just trying to promote an upcoming fight, so there was 549 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,599 really some time to get into things in a little bit more of a detailed 550 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,839 fashion than when guys are sort of in that robotic mode as they promote a 551 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,599 fight without further delay. Let's get to that conversation and talk more about it 552 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:29,359 afterwards here on the Fight Freaks un i'd recap. Well, it's my privilege 553 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,119 to bring into the podcast today for an interview. It is none other than 554 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,240 the WBA Light Heavyweight Champion, the twenty twenty two Fighter of the Year, 555 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:38,880 Demetri Bevil Dmitri. Welcome and thank you very much for doing this. How 556 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,480 are you hello, Thank you, I'm good. I'm glad to hear that 557 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,799 well. As I just mentioned Demitri in my introduction, you are the twenty 558 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,759 twenty two fighter. There, the reigning fighter there. It was a heck 559 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,680 of a year for you. Two huge wins, obviously Canello that was the 560 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,279 first one, and May and then you've rounded out your year in November with 561 00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:04,839 a very big victory against the undefeated Gilberto Zero Ramirez. M Can you tell 562 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:09,079 me just your thoughts about achieving the Fighter of the Year award. It's sort 563 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:14,000 of like being the most valuable player in a sports league. It's a big 564 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,639 deal. It seems to me to be the Fighter of the Year. Yeah, 565 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:22,360 of course it's a big deal and I'm so happy. But before or 566 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,039 fight, I didn't think about it that I will get this award. But 567 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:31,840 after I started reading about this award and I realized that I could got Oscar 568 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,400 in the books, and I got it. I marked my name in the 569 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:44,880 history, and of course I'm so much gold. It's like a bonus in 570 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,440 the end of the year for me. But I still that Dmitary which has 571 00:34:51,440 --> 00:35:00,920 a goal which one I realized his potential and get mobiles and enjoyed the walking 572 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,760 life. Just as it relates to the Fighter of the Year ward. I 573 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,599 mean, all the true greats have pretty much won it, you know, 574 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:14,079 from Muhammad Ali and Floyd Mayweather and Manny pac Yaw and Mike Tyson and you 575 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,559 know the fighters that you think about when you think about boxing. Uh did 576 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:22,000 you did you ever just sort of like take a minute and think about how 577 00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,280 you stacked up in that great list of the guys that had become the fighter 578 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,679 of the year. Of course, when I got the work, I thought 579 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,559 about, Wow, um, I got on the same step, like I 580 00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:42,760 am the same and in the same place with the greatest fighters with the sugar 581 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:52,480 and during around regions Ali and yeah, I mean, but yeah, but 582 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:59,960 I thought about it, and then I forget about it because if I think 583 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:07,000 about I will just leave boxing. So you wanted you Yeah, you wanted 584 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:10,360 the awards based on those two victories against the You know, at the time, 585 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,480 Canello was the pound for pound number one. He's still the undisputed champion 586 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,239 at super middleway where he went to challenge you for your title. Ramirez was 587 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,719 undefeated. He was the number one contender. Uh, you know, easily 588 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,840 the best opponent in the weight class other than yourself and maybe the other champion 589 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,079 better BF. So you made both fights look pretty easy. I mean, 590 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:35,440 the scores were pretty wide. There was no dispute, there was no controversy 591 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,719 about either of those. So let me ask you, did it? Did 592 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,159 they? Did it go as? Did it look as? Uh? Was 593 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,440 it as easy for you inside the ring as it may have looked to us 594 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,280 outside the ring of watching? Of course too, it wasn't easy. It 595 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,039 wasn't easy, of course, But um, I just couldn't think to myself 596 00:36:55,639 --> 00:37:00,440 that I'm good to broad. You know. It's like if you go to 597 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:07,599 the car wash, or if you just invite some guys who will repair your 598 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,840 tubes at home in over electricity. They do everything easy, you know, 599 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,800 and you see on this they they're doing easy. But if you try it, 600 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:24,119 it's hard. It takes it takes a long time to them to learn 601 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:30,920 it and to make it. And me it's like this, okay, sorry, 602 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:37,239 I learned, And of course it wasn't easy. I was all fight 603 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:45,639 and focus. I felt hurt. I felt hurt hits from our mirrors. 604 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,559 I got some punches on my body from a mirrors and for Cannella too. 605 00:37:52,440 --> 00:38:00,079 But I tried to follow my plan and it was good because I want it. 606 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:04,639 Sure worked. So the fight with Ramirez was in November. We are 607 00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:08,280 now here as we record this, it is mid April and the Fighter of 608 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,760 the Year award and all that, And I think a lot of people wonder 609 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,639 when are we going to see Dmitri Bibo back in the ring? Uh? 610 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,639 At least from what I understand, it doesn't seem like there's anything imminent, 611 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,159 nothing specific planned. What's going on with your two thousand and twenty three schedule? 612 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:28,079 Uh? You know, I thought I will get the fight in June 613 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:34,960 or May, but things change the lake, I will not get this some 614 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:42,559 fights in in this uh date, But I'm fine. I will wait another 615 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:47,800 fight, maybe maybe in September. Maybe. So are you disappointed that you 616 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,480 won't be back till the fall? I mean, I would think that coming 617 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,000 off those two big wins, you're you know, you're in your best days 618 00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:57,360 right now. You're in your prime, uh, to make the biggest fights, 619 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,039 to to make the most money. Uh. You know you don't want 620 00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,119 to layoff or too long. Are you disappointed that it's going to be a 621 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,599 little more laughing? Why? Why is the layoffs that way? I mean, 622 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,599 I know you'd like to fight, but it's I'm assuming your promoters are 623 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:15,199 the other business interests that are making this delay necessary. You know, I'm 624 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:21,280 not disappointed because I was a little bit busy with my family stuff with my 625 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,079 you know, I was I was training, I got training camps. I 626 00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:34,760 need a little bit calm down, and I got some this. I heard 627 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:43,079 some discusses about about my fight. But and understand that there is not too 628 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:47,519 much fighters in my weight class right who I can't fight, you know, 629 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:57,119 because I want many fighters in my weight class. Now it's just who Cannella 630 00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:02,920 again again, Cannela or or maybe Bitter Bief of course, oh and a 631 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,239 couple of English guys. So I want to ask you about that. So 632 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,280 I had an interview with Canello recently. He's preparing for his fight on May 633 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,679 sixth against John Ryder, and I asked him about his plans because there was 634 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,159 a lot of talk about him maybe fighting you again, which he's been saying 635 00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:23,360 he wanted ever since your first fight. Talk about maybe him fighting David Benavitis, 636 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,519 who had just defeated Caleb Plant in their fight. So when I spoke 637 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,760 to him, he said without question that what he would like to do is 638 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,559 that come September, if everything is good for him in May, that he 639 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,679 wants to have a rematch with Dmitri Beevo. I assume that you're open to 640 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,400 that and you'd love to fight him again. Correct, of course, I'm 641 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,039 open for fighting to him again. And I told it before, let's let's 642 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:52,320 talk, let's talk about it, let's move for to fight. But we 643 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:58,760 didn't had some efforts since he decided to fight against the Golofkin. Then he 644 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:05,440 just decided to fight against against right. Yes, right, So they The 645 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,440 interesting thing to me about that, though, Dmitri is when I asked him 646 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,840 about the prospect of having a rematch with you, I asked him, I 647 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,119 said, well, if you have a rematch with Dmitri Bival, is it 648 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,519 the kind of fight where you would want to have him come down to super 649 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,360 middleweight, which you had mentioned might interest you because you could become the undisputed 650 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,559 champion in that weight class. Or would you go back to light heavyweight and 651 00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:29,440 challenge Dmitri for his title once again? So he answered me, and he 652 00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:31,119 was very clear. He said absolutely, I want to go back to one 653 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,760 seventy five, back to light heavyweight and challenge him for his title. What 654 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,880 are your thoughts about if you fight again, which weight division you'd want to 655 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,199 fight him in? Of course, I prefer to fight in his weight class. 656 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,480 Okay, I could put my belt too, you know, but but 657 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:53,159 I want to I want to fight for belts, for more belts, of 658 00:41:53,199 --> 00:42:00,320 course, and it's not the more excuses boy for him if I win. 659 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:06,000 Yeah, I prefer to fight one six one sixth state, of course. 660 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,000 It's if you ask me without doubts, I doubt I will say one sixth 661 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,440 state. Well, you made the perfect point there. I mean, if 662 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,000 you in fact did do that, it could be for his belts as well 663 00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,159 as for your belt. But so it sounds if you're not going to come 664 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,639 back into the ring until the fall September ish, let's say, is it 665 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,840 fair to say that that's sort of the target? That's your likely next fight? 666 00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,280 Uh is would would be a rematch with Canelo if he beats Writer. 667 00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:35,800 You know, it depends on him if he wants, if he wants. 668 00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:43,239 H really this very much. We could talk, and we even didn't talk 669 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:49,920 about when how which way classes? We didn't talk. We are we are 670 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,440 open. Let's talk. He decided to fight or either, no problem, 671 00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:02,920 we will fight against someone else. But now I don't have some fighters against 672 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,719 who I will fight. But I will be patient like I was before, 673 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,440 and I will fans again, you're your patient, patient in the ring and 674 00:43:14,519 --> 00:43:20,000 patient out of the ring when it comes to your fighting situation. I should 675 00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:29,159 be patient and all in all extreme situations. So you also mentioned better b 676 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,199 of now as all due respect to Canello who obviously that's a big fight for 677 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,000 you and for the sport, and uh, you know, kind of it's 678 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,880 a pretty big deal. But I think, honestly, if you asked boxing 679 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,239 fans, if you ask a lot of boxing media, which would you rather 680 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,880 see a rematch between Canelo Alvarez and Dmitri Beevil or a fight between Demetri Beevile 681 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,800 and Arthur better Ba for the undisputed light heavyweight championship. I'm pretty sure that 682 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,480 most people would say they'd prefer to see the better be a fight, and 683 00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,119 I would. I understand that from a financial point of view that certainly a 684 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:00,920 Canelo fight is probably a bigger deal. Uh, but which one would you 685 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,199 prefer the most? And I know you want to fight both guys, but 686 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,480 which is the one that gets you more excited, more motivated that all the 687 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:13,480 belts are light anyweight or a rematch against a guy that you've defeated. Ah, 688 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:22,400 of course I wanna I wanna togetherest I wanna stay in my weight class 689 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,559 and fight for belts. If I don't have this function, I could go 690 00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:36,559 down for another built, and it's better for me to stay in the in 691 00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:42,000 this weight class and fight for three full builds. Now after better b Of 692 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,079 won his fight a couple of months ago against Anthony Yard, which is one 693 00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:49,679 of his mandatories, which was a terrific fight. You know, he once 694 00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,719 again he and it's not the first time he also, you know, professed 695 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,199 interest in having a fight with you for all the titles. Um. To 696 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,119 me, it always seems the biggest hurdle in boxing to make a big, 697 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,559 big fight is are the two athletes interested to make the match. And it 698 00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:07,639 seems very clear to me your track record says you're not looking at get away 699 00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,639 from anybody. You want to do that fight. Same thing with better BF. 700 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,840 Take a look at the guys he's faced so far in his career. 701 00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,599 So can we can you make that fight next? I mean, if you're 702 00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:21,559 not obligated to a rematch with Canelo Alvarez and that fight is there, can't 703 00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,039 you and your team just sort of approach his team and say, hey, 704 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:30,039 let's try to make the match I always time tells my team, uh, 705 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:37,800 let's make this fight. Let's make this fight. They were disgusting discussing for 706 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:45,840 their team how I know. But finally they told me there's nothing interesting for 707 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:52,079 for all of us and for business. It's it's nothing for for this time. 708 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:59,079 Next fight we could we could talk because there are there are smith fights 709 00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:06,679 soon and there is not good offer offer for for this fight. I said, 710 00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:08,960 So you're saying, you're saying there's not a great offer for you to 711 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:15,679 fight Better BF. Yeah, there's discussions for June July. Then there's discussions 712 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:20,480 for June July. But the bottom line is it was just, you know, 713 00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:22,719 what was being discussed was not serious enough to make the fight happen. 714 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,360 At that point, well, I let them. I'll let our listeners know, 715 00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:30,119 because a new voice just popped in everybody. This is Vadim Cornelov, 716 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,840 who was the manager for Dmitri Bevo. And so I'll ask you of Vadim, 717 00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:37,639 when you say discussions for June July, discussions for June July for a 718 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,480 fight between Dmitri and for Better BF, you're talking about exactly, yeah, 719 00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:45,000 exactly. There were some there were some discussions about making the fight. About 720 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400 a month ago. We were talking about trying to make the fight in June 721 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,559 July, whether it was going to be in the UAE or in the US. 722 00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,679 But the numbers that were brought up, and you know what we were 723 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:58,480 trying to you know what we were trying to materialize, it was just not 724 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:02,199 materializing because there's still two sides to that fight. They're both pound for pound 725 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,559 fighters, you know, they're both top ten pound for pound fighters, and 726 00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,039 they both want to make money, and they both want this fight to be 727 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,800 worth their while. Sure, and I'm talking for a better be it right 728 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:19,079 now not knowing I mean, this is not I'm just saying this subjectively, 729 00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:22,800 but I believe that they feel the same way we feel. And what was 730 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:28,559 what was being talked about in June July was just not at the level of 731 00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,840 the fight. So that's why it didn't materialize. And so now Dmitri just 732 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,960 lays off possibly tall Canello remapped in September. Now that's not specifically the case 733 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:43,599 yet. It's just you know, there's there's still those Mongias negotiations. But 734 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,159 when I mentioned Mungia to you, if you remember, what did you say 735 00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:51,800 to me? I laughed exactly so um. You know, there's a lot 736 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,159 of people that are kind of like, Okay, it's a good fight. 737 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,559 Mungia is a name, you know, but at the end of the days, 738 00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:58,760 that's not our choice. It's not like we said we want to fight 739 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239 Mungia. That's just that's just another name on the Zone that we can try 740 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,280 to make the fight with. I'll just let me ask you this because I 741 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,559 know that the I know that boxing fans are interested in how these things work 742 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,760 and how it gets put together. If you said to a normal boxing fan 743 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,280 who follows this, who knows about Dmitri Beeble, who knows about Arthur better 744 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,400 Bee, who subscribes to the Zone, or watches ESPN fights or Showtime, 745 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,760 and you said, you know, there's the possibility that Demetri Beeble is going 746 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,760 to fight a rematch with Kennelo Alvarez, you know, after he beat him, 747 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,280 because Kennello would like a rematch. I think people would say, Okay, 748 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,320 that's that's interesting. Sure, I'm down for that. If you said 749 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,480 to those type of boxing fans, well, we're also talking about a summer 750 00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:39,280 fight between Demetri Bieble and Arthur better Beer for the undisputed light heavyweight championship. 751 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,480 I think most of those fans would say, oh, bring it on, 752 00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,280 I love it, I can't wait, let's make it happen. And then 753 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:45,920 if you gave them the third thing and said, well, you know, 754 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:52,360 there's also this possibility that Demetri Bieble might fight the former junior middleweight title holder, 755 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,800 who's never fought anybody of a remote note at middleweight and who has never 756 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,880 even fought as a super middleweight. We might fight Heimi Mungia next. I 757 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,599 think that they would laugh at you, guys, what do you think about 758 00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,960 that? Exactly right? But no, but let's ask Dmitri right now, 759 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,280 what does he think about fighting Mungia. I mean he just told you. 760 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:12,239 He just said, listen, I'd rather deal with my life and go on 761 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,639 and fight in September because it does the fight excite him? I don't think 762 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,039 so, you know, what does he needs to stay active? You know 763 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,920 that you've got a lot of people in the press and saying, well, 764 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,639 why is Dmitri not active? I mean he's the best fighter, you know, 765 00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,239 one of the best in the world, you know, one of the 766 00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,280 pound for pound fighters. Why isn't he fighting? Well, here's your answer. 767 00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:30,639 You know that's the answer like, Doesnitri really really want to fight Mungia 768 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,840 not really. Do the fans want to see Munghia evil? Maybe some do, 769 00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,079 not everybody, you know, not all the press want to see that. 770 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,719 So it all kind of just comes down to business in a way, 771 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,639 right, And then to what Dmitri wants, what better be if wants And 772 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,239 then you got Knello saying, you know, he only lost by a couple 773 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,199 of rounds, he needs the rematch at one seventy five. It's like everybody 774 00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,039 has their own plate in front of them and everybody wants to fill that plate. 775 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,880 But how do you know, how do we make it work? That's 776 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,119 the issue. So at the bottom line, to answer your question, to 777 00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,639 answer your question of regarding the fans and for them to understand I mean the 778 00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,679 Munghia think. I mean, Matrium's working really hard, Eddie Frank, everybody 779 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,000 right now is working really hard to try to make this work. I mean 780 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,559 we're in touch every day. We're meeting today actually in La to discuss this 781 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:12,760 further. And no, Golden Boy and Matrium are talking about people Mungia as 782 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,280 we speak. Is it a don't fight? No? I mean, is 783 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,199 it going to materialize? I don't know. Do we want to keep Dmitri 784 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:21,159 active? Of course, I mean Dmitri needs to stay active. He doesn't 785 00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:22,639 need to sit out more than six months. It doesn't help him. But 786 00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:25,559 at the same time, if it doesn't work out, we just go to 787 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:29,559 September. Whether it's a better Bea or Canelo. You know, I know 788 00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,199 Dmitri wants better be I mean, there's no reasons for Mitri you really fight 789 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,000 Canelo at once. I've any fight for a rematch, because then you got 790 00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:38,199 the judges issue. You know, you got Canello thinking that he won by 791 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,760 a couple of rounds, but it's really the judges making him think that it's 792 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,360 not. I don't think it's the truth. I don't think I don't think 793 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,599 he lost by a couple of rounds. You know, he lost more than 794 00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,079 a couple of rounds. I think he most he lost most of those rounds. 795 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,400 So there's all these issues, but I think the bottom line is if 796 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,719 you don't get a fight right now, and if there's no better opponent than 797 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,199 Mungia that comes up, which you let me know if you know anybody, 798 00:50:59,679 --> 00:51:02,280 we just go to September and we play a better BeO or Canello whoever's going 799 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,320 to be the right deal, whoever's going to be the right motivation for Dmitri, 800 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:07,960 and I think it's going to be better be it. It's going to 801 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,679 be the priority, you know, for September October, and then Canelo if 802 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,480 he wants to fight at one sixty eight, because for Dmitri, that's a 803 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,039 challenge. That's interesting. He has to make the weight and all the titles 804 00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:21,239 are on the line. I think that's the bottom line thing. Let me 805 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,360 ask you this that team, are there any contractual obligations after the first Canelo 806 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,400 fight that that that he could say, you have to fight me in a 807 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,480 rematch or you just be negotiating the deal. No, that's all passed behind 808 00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:35,880 us. Okay, That's what I wanted to clear he took too many other 809 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,519 fights. I mean, I mean, that's you can't have a rematch clause. 810 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:43,400 That's uh, you know, out right usually. I mean, I 811 00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,360 know there's been plenty of times where there's a rematch clause that may allow an 812 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,719 interim fight, but as you mentioned, he's now taking a second interim fight. 813 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,880 So that's I just wanted to clarify that so everybody understands that there's you 814 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,800 know that the option now belongs to your team and the Dmitri where if you 815 00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,199 choose to pursue a Canelo fight because he wants that, you can do so, 816 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,800 but you also can pursue a better b A fight. So yeah, 817 00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,920 we're going to pursue the legacy. We're going to pursue what Dmitri wants, 818 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,679 and Dmitri wants to get more titles, go fun disputed, and that's the 819 00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,840 bottom line, and wherever we can get that, that's where we're going to 820 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,840 go. So it sounds me though that that making a better b A fight 821 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,400 from a financial point of view might be more advantageous in the fall than it 822 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,079 would have been in the summer. Is that Am I on the right track 823 00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:31,159 there? Just like making it in June July was a lot more advantageous than 824 00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:35,280 it was last year. Yes, I do believe. I mean, and 825 00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:37,800 again, we don't know, because we don't know what's going to be in 826 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,719 September or like we're gonna be talking about the fight. We don't know how 827 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:43,280 the Smith Better be A thing is going to work out. That's something they 828 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,400 have to also deal with, right, I mean, that's another issue. 829 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,519 But the bottom line, I do believe that right now, with every year 830 00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,719 or every you know, quarter, the fight is only building up and more 831 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,280 and more people you want to see it. And even in June July there 832 00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:58,440 were you know, there were some conversations. UAE was interested, and you 833 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,880 know they were there were already some good grounds for the fight. But I 834 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,840 think it's only cooking up and it's only getting better and better. Well, 835 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,880 let me turn back to Demitria real quick and I'll wrap it up. Dmitri. 836 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,920 You heard what Vadim had to say about uh, your situation, the 837 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,679 schedule. What do you think about that Mungia fight, which I know is 838 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,360 being discussed, as he said, between the two sides, or does that 839 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,480 interest you at all? I mean, I know you're motivated by bigger fights. 840 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,119 Do you view Monge as a big fight for you? Of course, 841 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,679 it's not a big fight for me. Of course I don't want to fight 842 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:36,800 to him, to be honest, because it's not my weight class. But 843 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:44,480 if I have a choice not fight at all and fight mung Uh and not 844 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,440 fight, not fight at all, I mean, yeah, yeah, of 845 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:55,880 course I would choose. I will choose to fight, and I will believe 846 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:02,079 that he's a very good fighter, and he's but the student weight plus and 847 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,320 well, I think most people would look at and say he just simply hasn't 848 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:13,159 done anything to warrant a light heavyweight championship fight. Your thoughts about that, 849 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:21,559 Um, you know, I think he he's just different weight class. And 850 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:30,320 he who fought he who he fought against, He fought against Rossada, I 851 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:36,880 know who who was better? Yeah, I mean it just it's been a 852 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,280 pretty lean resume, I guess, is the thing. Um, it struck 853 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:44,639 me much. Of course, he's a good fighter. He's a good fighter, 854 00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:52,840 But I wanna people see my fights against light heavy weight or weight down 855 00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:01,119 against super plus super middleweight maximal. You know, and I understand, So 856 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,320 tell me if I'm wrong here, and then I'll wrap it up. If 857 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,800 you had your magic wand and could say here's my schedule, you'd want to 858 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:15,239 fight Arthur better BF to become undisputed as your number one choice. And you'd 859 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,599 also would be perfectly open to a rematch against Canelo, but like to do 860 00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:24,400 it in the hundred sixty eight weight class? Is that an accurate portrayal to 861 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,880 two Yeah, to two options, Bitter Bief and Canelle sixty eight, it's 862 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,440 it's it both both fight. It's very good. Of course with Canela it's 863 00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:40,320 more money, but the more efforts I have to put to move move down 864 00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:45,840 by weight class bitter if it's we took it easier with with the weight with 865 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,920 my weight, but it's a less for money and it's h it's hard fight. 866 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:59,519 I understand you know. It's some some points better, some points worth 867 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:05,719 and which which is faster I can Which fight I can get faster? I 868 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,280 would choose that fight. Well, they're both good fights obviously, personally speaking, 869 00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:12,679 I would love to see the better BF fight. I wish you the 870 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,760 best of luck and getting something big going. And I want to thank you 871 00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,440 very much of your time. Congratulations on your twenty and twenty two Fighter of 872 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,840 the Year award, Vadie. Thank you very much for your time, and 873 00:56:22,039 --> 00:56:24,960 I wish you guys the best of look, thank you, thank you all 874 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,360 right. Fascinating what do you make you were sitting there talking about what do 875 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,920 you make of him even being willing to come to one hundred and sixty eight 876 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,280 pounds and fight Canello? Because I've got a thought on that you asked him 877 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,239 about it. He seems he seems serious that he'd be willing to do that. 878 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,599 What do you make of that? Well, a couple of things about 879 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,960 that, TJ. Even before he fought Canello, when they've had their match 880 00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:49,840 last year, when he was trying to get the fight, he and Vadie 881 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,880 said for many many times to me, to others, to anybody that would 882 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,880 listen, that we want a big fight, and if it means coming down 883 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,239 to fight in that one sixty eight or wasn't even so much specifically about Canello 884 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,519 Albres. They wanted a big fight. So their point was, if we 885 00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:07,599 can get a big fight, we will definitely come to one sixty eight and 886 00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:09,480 drop the weight. You know, Dmitri is not a big light heavyweight. 887 00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:14,239 He can make one sixty it I believe, and do so in a healthy 888 00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,360 manner, so that was not an issue for him. So they were willing 889 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,360 to do that then and they are willing to do that now. And the 890 00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,559 thing that is interesting in that, as you heard, if he does have 891 00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:25,760 a rematch with Canello, he wants it to be for the one hundred and 892 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,360 sixty eight pound titles because for his poor purposes, I already beat Cannello, 893 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,639 I already have my title light heavyweight. So if I fight him again, 894 00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,400 there's nothing new for me, I don't. I mean, I'm gonna make 895 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:38,880 money, yes, but he's gonna make money whoever he fights. So he 896 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,000 wants something that's going to motivate him, and what would motivate the meet your 897 00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,599 people all based on what he has said to me and others, and certainly 898 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:50,239 in this interview, as did Vaden, the opportunity to go and fight Cannello 899 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,840 again would be a much bigger deal for him if he could do so four 900 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:57,800 Canello's titles, because then he would have given an opportunity to have his light 901 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,760 heavyweight title, but then to also potentially be become the undisputed champion in the 902 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,960 super middleweight division. Now, Canello is of the other opinion he wants to 903 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,880 fight him at one seventy five and go for the belts. There in my 904 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,079 mind, I'm thinking, okay, maybe they do the rematch at one hundred 905 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:16,599 and sixty eight pounds. Should Canello be the winner and pull the you know, 906 00:58:16,679 --> 00:58:20,880 retain you know what do you call retained his titles and and avenge the 907 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,400 loss, and now that they're one and one, then if you have to 908 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,000 do a third fight eventually whenever, either next or down the road, then 909 00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:29,519 you split it in the middle and you do it in the You can do 910 00:58:29,559 --> 00:58:31,360 it for both titles, you know, at the one hundred and seven, 911 00:58:31,519 --> 00:58:34,440 while he can't do it at the sixty eight. But you could meet in 912 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,119 the middle and do it for the light heavyweight title, but not at the 913 00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,840 full weight. I mean, whatever the point is, Dmitri is motivated to 914 00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,760 fight for titles in a different weight class, not so much just to fight 915 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,039 Canello again. He wants better Be, as they heard. But I think 916 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:51,400 it's hall of fame resume building stuff. If you can say, and you 917 00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,880 know this, but if you can say I beat him at one sixty eight 918 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,920 for all of his belts, and then I turned around in my next fight 919 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,480 or within like a year, I beat better BF for all of the light 920 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:06,440 heavyweight belts, you have basically not a one thousand percent guarantee, but you 921 00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:10,039 basically guaranteed the hall of fame resume. And he's already beaten Cannello, he's 922 00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:14,280 already beaten. But if he steps back to one sixty eight and beats him, 923 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,920 and then turns around and beats better Be by moving back up, it 924 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,840 builds the resume. Oh yeah, no, no, doubt about that. 925 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,800 I mean, he's not there yet in the Hall of Fame, but right 926 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:22,960 you know he's got I mean, one of the things we spoke about that 927 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:27,519 folks start at the beginning interview, was a very important line item, if 928 00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,719 you will, for any Hall of Fame resumes he is the reigning twenty twenty 929 00:59:30,719 --> 00:59:34,559 two Fighter of the Year. It's only unfortunate that here we are, you 930 00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,159 know, midway through April, with fights being already scheduled for May and June, 931 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,920 and he unfortunately does not have anything scheduled. You know, you heard 932 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,719 him talk about the issues there. Hopefully he'll be back in the ring in 933 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,320 the not through distant future because he's a perfect fighter, one of the best 934 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:50,320 fighters in boxing pound for pound, and there are big fights for him if 935 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,760 they could get made, being against Cannello and earing that tour against better BF. 936 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,000 And as we do move along, all right, we have a change 937 00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,800 in the co feature fight. You're head of the Vegas. You're not involved 938 00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,119 in the go feature fight. We can confirm that neither will you be on 939 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:07,599 a go cart being videotaped. David Morrel has a new opponent in the co 940 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:13,480 feature fight. Prior to Javante Davis and Ryan Garcia tell me more about the 941 01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:17,920 new opponent and why real quick. Well later on Friday, early early Friday 942 01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,360 evening actually, um sort of like after I was like six o'clock to nine, 943 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,760 I think, so clearly they were getting this out there as soon as 944 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:29,599 they had it. He was supposed to fight Senator Agdecco in the CO feature. 945 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:32,760 Not a particularly overwhelmingly like big time fight against a big name opponent by 946 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,559 any strategy imagination, but nonetheless, he was supposed to fight Agbecco, and 947 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:43,239 for reasons that we're not disclosed. I'm obviously it's most likely medical related, 948 01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,960 but the Nevada State Athletic Commission declined to give Agbeco a license, and so 949 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,000 when that happened, they replaced them with a fighter named Yamaguchi Ko, who 950 01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:55,599 is the brother of the top ranked FALCO Middleway contender on the defeated who's in 951 01:00:55,639 --> 01:01:00,480 a mandatory position like Yamagucci is is the two thousand twelve Brazilian Olympic bronze medal 952 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,800 winner, a salt Bot twenty four one and one, A slick boxer. 953 01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:08,960 I've seen him fight several times. I mean, being honest, somewhat sleep 954 01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,679 inducing for most of the time, you know as Skeiga Falco his brother. 955 01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,360 Not to say he's like Arto Gaddy or anything like that, but seems to 956 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,960 be a little bit more interested in actually fighting than you know, moving around. 957 01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:22,840 But desperate times call for desperate measures, and he is you know, 958 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,320 he's a talented boxer and he did win the Olympic medal at ten years ago 959 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,440 eleven years ago. Anyway, he is now the replacement opponent that will challenge 960 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,159 Morrell for his secondary WBA one sixty eight title in that co feature. To 961 01:01:35,239 --> 01:01:37,239 me, it's sort of like six to one half a dozen of the other 962 01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,039 if you told me they you know, that Falco had dropped out and they 963 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:44,599 got senag Becco, would be sort of been having the same exact conversation except 964 01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:47,800 changing the name. So that's just one point of note about Saturday's big card. 965 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,159 Again. Dan will be out there more with the Preview Mode podcast here, 966 01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:54,480 and of course we'll have more on the side on Big Fight Weekend dot 967 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,920 Com as he heads to Vegas for Javonte Davis and Ryan Garcia and the pay 968 01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:04,440 perview showdown coming up. There is another news item filling out speaking of Canelo 969 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:09,079 Alvarez, we were talking a little bit ago that Julio says Are Martinez will 970 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:15,119 be part of the Canelo Alvarez undercard from Mexico coming in a couple of weeks. 971 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:16,760 Tell us more about that, if you would, right, that's no 972 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,159 surprise. I mean, he is part of that Canello Promotions in any Reinoso 973 01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:23,480 stable. And Julio sees a Martinez, like you said, he's a WBC 974 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:27,840 flyweight title holder. He will be making a sixth defense. He's fighting a 975 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,440 fighter from Panama named Ron al Batista, and that will be the co feature 976 01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,960 on that May sixth pay per view, or at least pay per view in 977 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:37,559 the United States anyway, it's on Regular Zone and many other territories around the 978 01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:40,719 world. And sez a Julio SE's a Martinez. Always makes a good fight. 979 01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:44,880 He's exciting to watch. You know. He didn't do so well when 980 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,519 he went up to junior band away and he got spanked by chacol Tito Gonzalez. 981 01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:52,320 But he has been uh fighting, showing well in the flyweight division and 982 01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:53,840 the bottom line is he's got to get the job done here. And you 983 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,079 know, because he's co promoted by natchroom boxing, and as we have talked 984 01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,719 about previously, matchroom boxing still as Jesse Bam Driguez, who just want to 985 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,519 fly white belt, even if he's gonna be out till the end of the 986 01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:06,599 year because of the broken shaw. They also just recently signed in the last 987 01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:08,960 couple of weeks Sonny Edwards, who's got the IBF title in the flyweight division. 988 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:14,840 It seems to me that Bam winning that title a couple weeks ago, 989 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,039 Julio Cesar Martinez defending the title on this card, and Sonny Edwards probably getting 990 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:22,079 back out into the ring sometime in the in the early summer, that that 991 01:03:22,199 --> 01:03:25,840 these three guys are set up in the in the next fight or the next 992 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,199 couple of fights, to begin the process of unifying these titles and to make 993 01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:34,239 some matches that the public would be interested in the flyweight division. Because nothing 994 01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,119 against run out Batista, but that's just a guy like that we don't really 995 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:40,119 know much about. He just doesn't bring anything, as Zaz wise to the 996 01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:43,119 table. I'm not saying he's not a good fighter, I just not that 997 01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,039 familiar with him. But if you want to see the best of those weight 998 01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:50,360 classes fight, you'd want to see Julio Seesar Martinez taken on Pam, were 999 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,760 taken on Sonny Edwards, or mix and match any of those guys. So 1000 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:54,480 Julio Ceesar Martinez, hopefully he can go, you know, go in there. 1001 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,519 If he wins the fight, makes makes it a good performance. If 1002 01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,559 if Batista pulls the upset, good for But the point is, if so 1003 01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:04,360 Julio sees are coming through this fight, hopefully we'll get a chance to watch 1004 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,599 him get some bigger matches in that weight class. And the great thing about 1005 01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:12,719 the flyweight division is the best fighters in those divisions, in the flyweights, 1006 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,280 in and around those weight classes, they can fight each other and it doesn't 1007 01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:18,920 cost an arm and a leg. They still make their biggest purses, which 1008 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,039 is good for the boxers, but it doesn't cost so much that the networks 1009 01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:26,360 and the promoters, you know, don't want to do it. So if 1010 01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:29,559 I said, Julio sees our Martinez takes care of business. May six, 1011 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,000 hopefully it leads to the unification of at least two of the belts in the 1012 01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:35,159 next fight later this year. All right, we'll see if that is the 1013 01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:39,320 case. A couple of nostalgia items and then we are done. It is 1014 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:45,599 the twelve anniversary of Victor Ortiz winning a wild slug fest over Andre Berto in 1015 01:04:45,679 --> 01:04:51,159 the WBC Welterweight Showdown that was at fox Words in Connecticut twelve years ago Sunday. 1016 01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:58,679 Then on Monday, Sergio Martinez won another wild fight with Kelly Pablick to 1017 01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,840 win two of the middleweight titles as well as the lineal championship in Atlantic City. 1018 01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,039 I might understand you were at one or but you were at both of 1019 01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:08,559 these time. I book you read both of these, So give me a 1020 01:05:08,599 --> 01:05:13,480 little more on nostalgia on both the Ortiz and Martinez wins. Well, the 1021 01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:16,880 Burgo Ortis fight was a wildly exciting fight, and I think when when when 1022 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,760 that fight was being made, these were the two young two of the younger 1023 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,880 stars of that of that group of young welterweights. They were being featured on 1024 01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:30,079 HBO, and everybody expected it to be a very exciting, a very good 1025 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:31,519 fight, and by the way, it turned out to be at least the 1026 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,039 I mean, it was a great fight overall, but it was really like 1027 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,440 the first say six or seven rounds that were the balls of the wall, 1028 01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:42,079 total action, you know, just incredibly entertaining and exciting types of fights. 1029 01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,400 Now, Burto had held that title for a little while, he had already 1030 01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,239 made five defenses. He hadn't really fought a lot of top guys, and 1031 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:53,039 Ortiz was viewed as like a serious competitor for him, and they just put 1032 01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:56,320 on a great fight and you know, in the end it was it was 1033 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,760 Victor Ortiz that gets to win by a twelve round decision in a very close 1034 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,960 fight. Um there were knockdowns and it was just it was great. But 1035 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:06,519 my lasting memory in Fox was where they had the fight was in at the 1036 01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:10,880 time was their newer sort of arena, but not they used to have the 1037 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,480 fights. They would convert to Bingle Hall for the night into a boxing venue 1038 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,920 and that covered a bunch of fights there and sometimes some of the other fights 1039 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,239 that would have they did in the Fox Theater, which is a very small 1040 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:26,000 place, which is where the four mentioned James Tony That's Silly Jura fight took 1041 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,960 place on the stage of the theater, and that on the stage it was 1042 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:30,679 sort of in front, it was sort of light in front of it. 1043 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,199 That that room might have hold like two thousand people, But they constructed a 1044 01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:38,599 separate facility that was just a short walk like from the main building that was 1045 01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:41,480 like a real place that held quite a bit more people. I forget the 1046 01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,320 attendance, but the point was it was it was one of the early fights 1047 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,159 that they had in that facility, and it was just a great fight. 1048 01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:53,119 But my lasting memory is that after they put on this, you know, 1049 01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:57,960 incredibly exciting fight of the air candidate, going back to my room, after 1050 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,880 everything was all done in the hoopla and the press comment and and everything, 1051 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,719 and finally going back and in the common area in the tower that we were 1052 01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:06,920 the writers and the and the fighters in the media were staying, and you 1053 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:11,119 couldn't you couldn't just walk in there. You'd have like a special key card 1054 01:07:11,119 --> 01:07:13,559 you get into that area. So because I had a room there, I 1055 01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:15,639 had the key card. So you go in in the door closes, and 1056 01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:17,159 there was all these couches and everbody was sort of hanging out, and there's 1057 01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:21,079 Victor Ortiz dressed in street clothes like in a in a like a like a 1058 01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,960 I think a tie in a suit having you know, come from the press 1059 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,559 comforts, and he's wearing the belt. And we discussed this when I went 1060 01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:30,880 to the airport that one time with Jared Hurd when he won the title, 1061 01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:33,960 you know, six o'clock in the morning in the in the shuttle from the 1062 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,960 hotel to go to the airport in Birmingh, Alabama, and the guy's wearing 1063 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,159 the belt in the van. And you know, we taught him on the 1064 01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,960 podcast and I asked Hi about it. I always found that to be, 1065 01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,960 you know, an endearing thing, and so it was very similar to see 1066 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,719 these young fighter in Victor Ortiz, who obviously, you know, went on 1067 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,599 to have a career that was somewhat star crossed. But at that moment in 1068 01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:55,880 time when he won that title, lot you remember he was he was exciting. 1069 01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:58,920 Everybody thought he was, you know, a very electrifying fighter. He 1070 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,039 had a great personality. He wins this title, he knocks off Berto who 1071 01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:05,280 had been undefeated, and I walked back and there he is sitting with a 1072 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:09,840 handful of his people and you know, not any wild parties, and they're 1073 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,079 talking about the fight and he's sitting on the couch and he's wearing the belt 1074 01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:15,399 over his street clothes. It thought that was the greatest thing. I love 1075 01:08:15,479 --> 01:08:18,880 that shit. So I have a lasting memory of that. And then on 1076 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:23,199 the other fight, Pablck and surgeon Martinez. Look, this was now the 1077 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,920 welterweight fight we just talked that wasn't for like the title, but it was 1078 01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:30,199 a great matchup between young, exciting, you know, emerging stars Pablick and 1079 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,960 Martinez. That was like the real the middleweight Championship of the world. Two 1080 01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,880 of the sancting body titles, the WBO and the WBC, but the lineal 1081 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:43,039 title, it was like a big freaking deal. Sergio Martinez, you know, 1082 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:48,359 was making his name and Kelly Pavlock had become the real champion by defeating 1083 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:53,880 Jeremaine Taylor by a sensational, you know, on a knockout performance getting off 1084 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:57,159 the deck and you know, becoming a you know, a pretty big star 1085 01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,680 at that time, beating him again in a rematch at a non title rematch 1086 01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,880 up at a you know, a catchweight over one sixty one sixty four. 1087 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:09,600 But Sergio Martinez had earned this shot. And the mistake we talked about in 1088 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,600 Joe Joyce fight, did the corner do a good job controlling the swelling of 1089 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,600 his injury with the eye, and I think they did the best that they 1090 01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,560 could. The opposite is true in the case of Kellyie pad Like Sergio Martinez 1091 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,359 cut him so badly over the eye. If they had had a decent cut 1092 01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,760 man, I believe that they would have been able to control the bleeding in 1093 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,560 a serious professional manner. But because they cheaped out and they hired like a 1094 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,039 family friend that was like a quasi doctor or whatever who didn't know what the 1095 01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:39,600 hell he was doing. I think he was using paper towels in the corner. 1096 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:45,359 It costs him in the middle of Oh, I'm dead serious. I 1097 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:47,159 believe that that cost him the championship. Now, Sergio fought a hell of 1098 01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,760 a fight that night and deserves the win. But if that was not such 1099 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,680 a cut, you can't do anything about. But what you can do is 1100 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,960 have the best guys in the corner. You're dealing with a multimillion dollar fighter 1101 01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:00,960 here. Yeah. So I remember the Great Lion from Larry Merchant. I 1102 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,479 remember a lot of great lanching Larry Merchant. He would talk about, you 1103 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:10,479 know, if you're gonna have secretariat, you don't get just any old jockey 1104 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,960 off the street to ride his back. You get the best jockey in the 1105 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,800 world. And if you got the middleweight champ of the world, don't get 1106 01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,319 go get some schlub that you don't know anything about because you're gonna pay him 1107 01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:23,760 twenty five grand for the night instead of paying like the seventy five thousand that 1108 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,800 Miguel Diaz wanted. I believe it was the number something like that, Miguel 1109 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,279 Diaz being one of the very best cut man in the entire sport for decades. 1110 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:32,319 You know, they got a shlub to try to stop the cuts. 1111 01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:34,640 And if he got a real pro in there, and I could cite you 1112 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,199 chapter and verse on an owner, I think they would have been able to 1113 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,760 control the bleeding. And I'm not saying Pablic would have won, but he 1114 01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,359 sure would have had a lot better chances than what they left him with. 1115 01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:46,640 And as it was, it was a closed fight and that cost him the 1116 01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,479 fight. He was cut severely. You know, I believe it was the 1117 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:56,439 left eyebrow, left over the left eye. And listen, I mean, 1118 01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,800 Pavili, you didn't score a knockdown on that fight. He didn't have him 1119 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:00,760 hurt badly, Martinez, he had him on the deck and he still didn't 1120 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,359 win, and I believe strongly was because of the cut. But again, 1121 01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,840 uh, that's what happens, and it was it was a glorious victory for 1122 01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:13,000 Surgeon Martinez. I believe Surgeon Martinez for that win and several other excellent victories 1123 01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:15,000 in his in his time, that champion belongs in the Hall of Fame. 1124 01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:17,680 He's still active, amazingly, he had been retired for a few years. 1125 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,520 They actually put him on the ballot, and then when he came back, 1126 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,439 he dropped off the ballot because now he's once again active and he didn't get 1127 01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:27,760 elected that year, so he's still doing his thing. But uh, that 1128 01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,560 was a time where you had the top middleweights fighting each other, Paul Williams, 1129 01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:35,760 Kelly Pablock, Jermaine Taylor, Surgeon Martinez. Uh, I mean there 1130 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:40,000 were some great matchups in the in that group of guys, and uh, 1131 01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:42,039 you know, I'm thrilled that I was able to be president. That was 1132 01:11:42,199 --> 01:11:46,920 I'll never forget. Uh seeing the blood and seeing this dude, try to 1133 01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:51,960 stop that fucking cut with some napkins. Dude getting end swell, get some 1134 01:11:53,039 --> 01:11:57,800 grease with you. We're talking. Yeah, we're talking about your livel was 1135 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,960 cut on the other Also, by the way, Paboc was cut on both 1136 01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:01,600 that's how bad it was. Gotta have a cut, man, gotta have 1137 01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,800 a cutman on that all right, with that great nostalgia and again that anniversary 1138 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,680 of Sergio Martinez and Kelly pablic is Monday, as we release the podcast thirteen 1139 01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:15,399 years ago twenty ten, go back and relive that one and the Ortiz Burdo 1140 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,520 fight was Sunday, Sunday the sixteenth of twenty eleven. So there you go. 1141 01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,960 On the nostalgia, We've learned a lot here on the recap. We 1142 01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:25,760 have learned that Rayphael packs in the same luggage he's been packing in for going 1143 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,920 on twenty years. I'm impressed by that. We have learned that, z 1144 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,920 Elijang. I'm gonna ask you a question. Yeah, why would you be 1145 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,520 impressed by that when I've been wearing my fleece for almost as long? I 1146 01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,319 understand, But I'm just saying I have a couple of different bags because I 1147 01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:42,760 travel frequently as well while we go down this road again, and I've had 1148 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,600 to replace a couple of them in the last few years because eventually they just 1149 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,159 wear out with the zippers like you're talking about, are overpacking them. I 1150 01:12:48,199 --> 01:12:53,479 am impressed with the durability of whatever bag this is, whatever make that is, 1151 01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,239 It's done well it serves you well, and it's going to serve you 1152 01:12:56,279 --> 01:12:59,279 well as you head out to Vegas this week. So again Jan gets the 1153 01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:01,560 big win. Now we're onto Davis Garcia fight week. You're going to be 1154 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,760 out there in Vegas. We're looking forward to that. We'll have a preview 1155 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,439 pod coming up. We'll have coverage all over your substag Big Fight Weekend dot 1156 01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,279 Com, as well anything else enclosing before you head off to the desert. 1157 01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,000 I'm just looking forward to a big time fight week. You know, there 1158 01:13:15,079 --> 01:13:17,880 are there are big fights, and then there are really big fights. And 1159 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,880 the thing that's I don't know what it's gonna be like because I'm not there 1160 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:26,039 yet, but I suspect that this is gonna qualify as one of those really 1161 01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:29,720 big fights. And I and I well, I love the matchup, and 1162 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,560 if you're a boxing fan, I don't see how you're not intrigued and interested 1163 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,439 in seeing Ryan Garcia and Javanti Davis fight each other. But I'm struggling to 1164 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:40,840 understand why it's such a big fight. And I say that not in any 1165 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,760 way negative about the match or about the fighters or anything like that, but 1166 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,840 a couple of reasons. Not a world title fight, not that that's the 1167 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,239 end all be all, but it just shows you that they are not considered 1168 01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,840 the best in their weight class. It's at an unusual catchwait, one hundred 1169 01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,119 and thirty six pounds, so it's basically a lightweight fight, but like a 1170 01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:00,600 smidgeover, so it's not like a true junior wealthweight fight. Durvante has been 1171 01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:04,119 on pay per view several times at this point, about five times, but 1172 01:14:04,199 --> 01:14:09,079 hasn't done like big, big numbers, done very good numbers relative to whatever 1173 01:14:09,319 --> 01:14:11,920 other folks are doing. I mean, once you get past at least in 1174 01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:15,199 the United States, you get past like a Kennelo Alvarez, maybe in Errol 1175 01:14:15,239 --> 01:14:19,079 Spence, like he's in that like two hundred ish type number on pay per 1176 01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:24,880 view. Ryan Garcia not only is never headline a pay per view, but 1177 01:14:25,319 --> 01:14:29,199 most of his most all of his recent fights have been on the Zone. 1178 01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,960 And while de Zone, obviously if you're a die hard boxing fan you're probably 1179 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,760 watching it, doesn't permutate to the mainstream at this point. Right now, 1180 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:40,199 he does have his nine million Instagram followers, and Durvante he does have his 1181 01:14:40,279 --> 01:14:44,479 you know whatever, four or five million Instagram followers, but typically when you 1182 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,680 have a big, mega pay per view. It's between fighters who have have 1183 01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,920 a track record of fights either on pay per view or at least on an 1184 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:56,359 outlet where it's seen by the masses like an HBO or a showtime or whatever. 1185 01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,520 And for whatever reason, this is a case where that's not the case. 1186 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:04,000 Davis his paper view numbers are good but not spectacular, and Ryan hasn't 1187 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,039 been kind of hidden away on the zone. But yet they come together in 1188 01:15:09,039 --> 01:15:11,720 a fight where if you just look at the ticket availability and the buzz and 1189 01:15:12,199 --> 01:15:15,560 the attention and the excitement, it's like a big, big fight. I'm 1190 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,399 happy that's the case, but I don't quite understand it all right, you'll 1191 01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:23,439 investigate more to that later in a week. I think one just one final 1192 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,159 quick argument and point to that is it's the biggest fight we know this that 1193 01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:29,640 either one of them have had. They're both young, and here we go 1194 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:30,600 back to what I was saying at the beginning of the podcast. They're both 1195 01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,880 willing to take the risk. They're taking the risk by fighting each other young 1196 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:38,319 in their careers without having one a bunch of titles and made tens of millions 1197 01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:40,560 of dollars. Because neither one of them have made tens of millions. I 1198 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,520 have to say the one thing about that, I don't consider that to be 1199 01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,039 a quote unquote risk, because when you get to the level and you're making 1200 01:15:46,079 --> 01:15:48,119 that kind of money, what else are you going to do? It's not 1201 01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:51,560 a risk. You better to fight the big fight for the big money and 1202 01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:58,760 take the quote unquote risk than to keep fighting the secondary type opponent and make 1203 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,279 much less money. When the risk, it's definitely a risk on your unbeaten 1204 01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:04,479 record. We agree on that this is this is the first loss for one 1205 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,760 of them, borrying Shenanigans with the decision. But I've also you know, 1206 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:14,399 I've never been one, whether it was currently as a journalist, when I 1207 01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,680 was first starting out as a boxing reporter, when I was just a guy 1208 01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:19,960 watching fights on television, and you know, as a fan, like I 1209 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:24,079 never understood like why a guy had to be undefeated. I mean, as 1210 01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:27,199 long as he put up an effort and competed, if he lost, someone's 1211 01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,840 gonna win. Someone's gonna lose, unless it's a draw, which the lore 1212 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,960 of nobody could ever beat me as something. But you're right, I Lead 1213 01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:35,199 lost, Sugarwaye Leonard lost, Mike Tyson avenge. It didn't become a thing 1214 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,880 until May. Whether it made it. Like I have to keep my perfect 1215 01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,039 record, I'm not not con floyed. He was a brilliant fighter. I 1216 01:16:41,079 --> 01:16:43,319 disagree with you, and see I was. I was more into it, 1217 01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:45,880 I think than you were. In the early to mid nineties. It was 1218 01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,399 a big thing. When Larry Holmes was about the tie Rocky Marciano. It 1219 01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,439 was a really big thing. At Holmes was still right there on the verge. 1220 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,399 So you're right, but that was not that was as he approached it 1221 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,680 a couple of fights before that. It wasn't his entire career. Yea. 1222 01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,000 He was twenty zero and third, you know, and when he got to 1223 01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:05,600 like, you know what, forty seven and become a thing until then. 1224 01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:10,239 But with some of these younger fighters, it's from it's that mentality from day 1225 01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:13,800 one. And there's lots of tremendous fighters out there that have losses. I 1226 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,720 mean, let me ask you this, and I know we're getting off the 1227 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,520 beat and travel a little bit here. Canello Alvarez I think we can all 1228 01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,479 acknowledge is the biggest, if not you know, one of the biggest, 1229 01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:26,640 I not the biggest star in boxing. He has a loss against Lloyd Mayweather 1230 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:30,720 when he was twenty two years old. Has that in any way hurt his 1231 01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:35,399 career, his popularity, his earning power, his Hall of Fame qualifications, 1232 01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:41,760 anything like that quick right, of course not. And that's that's an extreme 1233 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,039 example. But there's plenty of guys like that. I mean, like you 1234 01:17:45,079 --> 01:17:48,359 said, Manny Pachy, when go on and on down the list that lost 1235 01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:53,319 multiple times, I agree exactly. I mean, we've talked about this also 1236 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:58,479 when we were discussing Ropeacy Ramier is acquiring the w BO featherweight title, who 1237 01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,039 had lost his professional day, and we discussed fighters like Bernard Hopkins and the 1238 01:18:02,119 --> 01:18:08,520 great Henry Armstrong and Benny Leonard and Rafael and one Daniel Mark has all four 1239 01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:12,159 Hall of Fame greats, all one titles, and you know, and we're 1240 01:18:12,159 --> 01:18:15,199 in big time fights. They all lost their professional debuts. It doesn't matter. 1241 01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,600 They're Hall of Fame greats. So the whole I gotta keep my undefeated 1242 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,960 record is bullshit. If Canelo Alvarez can lose to Meyweather and you mentioned that 1243 01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:28,159 other greats, you know, whoever loses the fight next Saturday between Davis and 1244 01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,199 Garcia, to me, you know. I mean you gotta see how the 1245 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:34,359 fight unfolds, obviously, but in no way, shape or form would I 1246 01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:39,239 say that the loser of that fight, oh they were a fraud or they 1247 01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:42,560 should never fight it again. Tied. I mean it's someone's gonna win, 1248 01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,560 someone's gonna lose, you know what, because they have rematch clauses. We'll 1249 01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,880 probably see a second fight, probably will, and you will be out there 1250 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,119 among them, brother Rayphael, have a good week. Go get that suitcase 1251 01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:55,159 packed at some point Tuesday, Tuesday night, Wednesday morning. Get out to 1252 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,399 the desert safely. We've been talking to you later in the week on the 1253 01:18:58,399 --> 01:19:00,119 Big Fight Weekly in preview on this year podcast feed. Thank you sir, 1254 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,760 you beat TJ. Thank you sir. There is Dan Raphael. I am 1255 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:08,800 merely TJ Reeves again. Follow, Subscribe Apple podcast, Google Podcasts, Spotify. 1256 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,199 You get the Fight Freaks Unite recap coming off the weekend, usually out 1257 01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:15,159 overnight Monday in the Monday morning, it's there for you. The Big Fight 1258 01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:20,840 Weekend preview comes overnight Thursday into Friday. We will have Ryan garcia Q and 1259 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,039 a with Dan up as its own thing on the podcast speed. You'll get 1260 01:19:25,079 --> 01:19:28,239 that as soon as it's up. 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