1 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,640 Hey everyone. Hello, it's Martin Willison. Welcome to the show. We 2 00:00:20,719 --> 00:00:24,600 have a great one for you this evening. We have Chris Cogswell coming up, 3 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,239 and before that we have Alejandro Rojas coming up with the UFO updates. 4 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,520 And speaking of updates, I'm going to give you a couple. So I've 5 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,240 been telling everyone that I'm going to be going to the mouf On Symposium this 6 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,320 weekend, which i am, but I also told them it was going there 7 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:46,560 was going to be a bonus show, bonus podcast out of that for the 8 00:00:46,679 --> 00:00:51,600 supporters of the show, and there will be. However, the one thing 9 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,320 I'm not going to do because it's just plain too tricky after talking to people 10 00:00:56,359 --> 00:01:00,960 there, is I'm not going to be able to do a live show from 11 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,280 there. So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to record. I'm going 12 00:01:03,319 --> 00:01:11,920 to record probably interviews at the move On Symposium. I'll put together a YouTube, 13 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,959 so if you subscribe to the YouTube channel, you can do that. 14 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,760 If you don't, you will see the YouTube, video, video, audio 15 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:25,359 show of recording with different people. So that will be coming out probably on 16 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,680 Sunday, it might be as late as Monday. And same thing with the 17 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,200 bonus podcast for supporters, and I do want to thank everyone that supports a 18 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:38,519 show. 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So I think 24 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:07,560 as far as I can tell that is that we're live on KGr A Radio 25 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:13,000 and also we're live on YouTube and that's every Wednesday, I say Wednesday, 26 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,159 that's Hill Day, every Tuesday at six to eight pm Eastern Standard time. 27 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:21,800 And so you can catch a slide for the full shows over there anytime. 28 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:27,199 And that's it for me for now. Alejando, how are you. I'm 29 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:34,240 doing good. That's good. And you had another very eventful weekend? Boy? 30 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,599 I did, I did. Yes. I was at Comica in San 31 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:44,000 Diego and so that was a lot of fun. I mean I was the 32 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:49,000 biggest part was I got to do a talk for National Geographic at their party 33 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:55,000 with Leland Melvin, an astronaut, and a couple other science people from NASA, 34 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:59,560 which was a lot of fun. And so I got to hang out 35 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,280 with lee Land a lot. And it was kind of funny because I had 36 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:06,439 been to space camp with National Geographic and so I had a space camp you 37 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:09,919 know, blue jumpsuit, and I brought it and wore it just to make 38 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,280 a joke out of it and stuff, and and so he's like, well, 39 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:15,599 then I'm gonna wear mine, and so he wore his blue jumpsuit. 40 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:21,719 Of course his is real and has been in space. It's an astronaut's jumpsuit. 41 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,919 But that was so much fun. So they actually get to keep them. 42 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,680 I think you and I had a conversation about that what astronauts can keep 43 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,000 and what they can't keep. Yeah, I know that they kept their boots 44 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:36,840 for walking on the Moon, which I think is pretty amazing. Yeah, 45 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:39,400 that's cool. And yeah, they wear the jumpsuits a lot. So Scott 46 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:44,560 Kelly, uh, I got to interview him not too long ago, and 47 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:49,000 for his talk he wore the jumpsuit, but after his talk he took it 48 00:03:49,039 --> 00:03:52,159 off. So yeah, so often, I guess when they want to represent 49 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,840 NASA and stuff. They wore the jumpsuit, which is kind of cool. 50 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:00,680 That's amazing. So so what you you were filming? Now you told me 51 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:03,960 something about blue Book? What was what was the deal without? So that's 52 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:10,479 kind of the big news really, So it's blue Book. So I did 53 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:14,319 get to the other real quick mention because it was fun and I want to 54 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,720 kind of plug it. But I got to also meet Neil de grass Tyson, 55 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:19,839 which was a lot of fun. And this is kind of funny because 56 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:24,439 I posted a picture of myself and Karen with Neil de Grasse Tyson, and 57 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,439 I did some video interviews that'll come out on Den of Geek soon. But 58 00:04:28,879 --> 00:04:32,279 um, everybody's posting, uh, he doesn't believe in you a post I'll 59 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:36,639 that you have post up. And of course I'm way into science and he's 60 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:41,879 a very important scientist and he had some very incredible things to say in my 61 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,279 interview. So it was an absolute pleasure to meet him. But guys, 62 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:51,519 you know, not everybody has to be into UFOs. And hopefully at some 63 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:56,240 point, if if we continued to have a relationship, I'll be able to 64 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,879 broach the topic and maybe share some information with him, But you know, 65 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,920 that wasn't what the interview was about UFOs, so that was kind of funny. 66 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:09,879 But what was about UFOs was Project blue Book. And this is kind 67 00:05:09,879 --> 00:05:13,680 of making some news this weekend. It's kind of really making quite a few 68 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:19,439 stories because History Channel is doing a show called Project blue Book and there was 69 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:26,839 an activation there at Comic Con and I don't know why they call him activations. 70 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:29,240 It was kind of funny. I even met one of the guys who 71 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,040 is in charge of these different activations, and he didn't know why they called 72 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:35,800 him activation. She was even laughing at himself because he was like, I 73 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:42,399 don't know, but an activation is essentially an exhibit when a television show puts 74 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:46,920 together a cool exhibit to promote their show. And Project blue Book, I've 75 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,120 got this is really cool. This is a comic book that they gave us 76 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:56,360 at the exhibit, and I want to show you this because this is the 77 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,319 most important part about Project blue Book is look at this guy right here. 78 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:09,319 Who's that That's doctor Jay Allan Heineck. So this show is going to be 79 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,959 centered around Jay Allen Heineck and Project blue Book. So you could see this 80 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:18,519 is from a case nineteen seventy two um, which is you know, they're 81 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:25,079 going over actual cases and depicting these cases. So, um, the actor 82 00:06:25,399 --> 00:06:30,120 is, um, let me get his name, Aidan Gillen. Does he 83 00:06:30,199 --> 00:06:33,800 look like does he look a little bit like Heineck? Yeah? Here, 84 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:40,279 I've got actually a picture from the show, and yeah, look at him. 85 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,439 He does. Yea. So they made it google that the one people 86 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,600 that are listening you can yeah, what's the what's the show's exact name, 87 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:53,560 so Project blue Book. So they make him look like Heineck. He kind 88 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,319 of has a gruff voice. During the Comic Con weekend, they released a 89 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,360 trailer and you can go see that at the History Channel page. In fact, 90 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:05,600 if you go to Open mindstot TV, I posted they also released three 91 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,560 stories of three of the cases they're covering. So they released a story about 92 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:17,160 Men in Black, about the Flatwoods Monster, and about this Gorman UFO case 93 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:20,759 from the nineteen forty think forty eight, and I want to talk to you 94 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:25,800 about that one in particular in a second. But these are stories that are 95 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,279 going to be featured on the show, and you can see that in the 96 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,839 trailer. I mean, essentially they did Vikings, which was huge History Channel. 97 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:36,920 It's a scripted drama and it's great. If you haven't watched it, 98 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,560 I love it. And it's a very well done scripted drama, you know, 99 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,279 high production. They're out in Norway and all of this big. It 100 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,240 feels like a movie every episode, almost like Game of Thrones or something. 101 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:54,800 So they're doing the same thing with UFOs and Project Bluebook on this television show. 102 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,879 When you watch it, you could see there this is like a movie. 103 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:01,680 Every episode's like a movie, very high production value. Aidan Gillen from 104 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:07,319 Game of Throne, so he's huge. Robert Zemeckis is the producer. This 105 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:13,160 is a guy who directed Back to the Future, Contact and other things. 106 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:18,560 He's a big fan of Spielberg and of course Heinek was inspired the movie Close 107 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:24,439 Encounters for Spielberg. But the other thing that they're going to do, and 108 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,360 I think that's why they kind of focus on this Men in Black thing, 109 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,320 is that although the show's based on true events, like they repeat and they're 110 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,440 really covering some of the big cases, they are adding a bit of speculation 111 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,480 in there in that their description of the show says, you know, Heinek 112 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,279 kind of starts to suspect that he's just a front man for a bigger secret 113 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,159 project and they're not sharing everything with him, and of course people in this 114 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,320 field feel like that may be the truth. Not that we know that for 115 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,840 sure, nor do we necessarily know that he felt that way, but that's 116 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,840 going to be kind of some of the drama or some of the fiction added 117 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,879 to this story. But it looks really really good at this activation, So 118 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:09,320 this is cool. When you first walk in, they kind of brief you. 119 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,679 They have a staff person there briefs you on what blue Book was for 120 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:16,200 people who were not aware, and then they ask you if you had your 121 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,840 own UFO sighting. In my case, I said yes, and it turned 122 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:24,399 out practically everybody who walked in was saying yes, to my surprise, And 123 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,120 you know, we couldn't hear they just sat us each down with our own 124 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,759 person, but I can overhear people saying, yeah, I've had my own. 125 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:35,960 So you describe your sighting, and then what they say is at the 126 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,279 end you'll be able to pick up a drawing of your sighting. So that 127 00:09:41,399 --> 00:09:46,519 was neat. You then go through to another room where they cover Flatwood's Monster 128 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:54,320 Lubbock lights, this Gorman incident incident, and you can kind of hear some 129 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,519 audio from the show. They show you a trailer. Then you go into 130 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,759 another room and they've got this cool like radar and stuff like that in there, 131 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:07,679 and you can send a message to space. Wow. And then on 132 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:13,559 the other side I did. Of course, I was friendly. I'm always 133 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,200 sure, yeah, but I warned them. I was so friendly to the 134 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:22,840 aliens that I told them stay away. These humans are crazy. Actually all 135 00:10:22,879 --> 00:10:28,200 tweet what I had posted here after the show, but I told them that 136 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:33,279 humans are dangerous and they eat you know, living creatures, other Earth's creatures, 137 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,360 and isn't that gross? Is what I said, so because I figured 138 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,600 aliens agree with me, so I warned them to stay away. On the 139 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:45,159 other side of this room were some guys that were kind of in their nineteen 140 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,559 fifties outfits and they were like working, supposed to be like Bluebook staffers or 141 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:54,919 something, but they were the sketch artists who were sketching out our sightings on 142 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:00,240 the wall. There was some other cool stuff from other real UFO sightings as 143 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,679 well, and I did do a Facebook live of my tour through there, 144 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,080 so go to my Facebook and you can watch, you know, see what 145 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:11,039 they sing was like, because it was really cool. And sure enough, 146 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,399 they did give me a picture of my sighting and I did post that at 147 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,159 open Minds dot TV, the picture along with my description of the siting that 148 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,919 they depicted there. So it was a really cool exhibit or activation as they 149 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:31,120 call it in the comic con world. But yeah, there's lots of stories 150 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,000 coming out about this, and what's cool is because it's real. I mean, 151 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:37,919 it feels like X files, but this is now kind of like you 152 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:46,360 know, the godfather of UFO is a true you know, specialist jail and 153 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,480 Heinek out there kind of doing the investigation. So if you couldn't tell him 154 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:54,519 extremely excited, what the channel? Did you say? That's coming out on 155 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:58,080 History Channel? That's what I thought you said. Wow, Well, I 156 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,600 sure hope you didn't of those aliens any ideas that this is a good place 157 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:07,960 to eat, you know a little bit. Wow. So if they were 158 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,600 to come down here, and this is why I think it's important to be 159 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,159 vertian, If they're to come down here and they're not vegetarian, how are 160 00:12:15,159 --> 00:12:18,240 they to choose what to eat? They'll see us, you know, do 161 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:22,080 you eat this this big round thing or do you eat you know, Um, 162 00:12:22,279 --> 00:12:24,120 where are the creatures that you would want to eat. So if they 163 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:26,480 see us eating creatures, they're like, oh, this must be a thing. 164 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,679 Um, let's pick up some of these guys and try them out, 165 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:37,879 and thus the catamulation, you know. And I wonder if if on other 166 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,600 planets everything doesn't taste like chicken, what if it tastes like something else? 167 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,840 Just that's unique of Earth, that every living creature that you eat kind of 168 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,759 tastes like chickens as we could be. Wow, wow, never thought of 169 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,639 all this stuff. Way too much thround my brain around this Gorman sighting just 170 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,519 real quick. Yes, you can read about this at that dog Fight Street 171 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,840 channel, but yeah, it's a really early dog fight from nineteen forty eight. 172 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,080 And it's cool that the History channel's really pushing this case because it's a 173 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,919 cool one and they must have read that when they came across these files. 174 00:13:09,399 --> 00:13:13,399 But essentially, it's this guy. He was a World War Two fighter nineteen 175 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,720 forty eight. He's with the Air National Guard. He's flying in his P 176 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:22,039 fifty one and he spots this light, an arable light. He thought it 177 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,799 was the tail light from another plane, but it passed near him and the 178 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,120 radar controller said, we didn't have anything on radar. We don't there wasn't 179 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,600 an aircraft that passed towards past you. So he turns around and he kind 180 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,879 of pursues this thing. He says, he gets in within he gets pretty 181 00:13:37,879 --> 00:13:43,919 close to it, and he described it as a six to eight inch round 182 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,000 light that there was. It was just kind of a solid light. No 183 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:52,919 light seemed to be emanated past the diameter of this thing, so it was 184 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:58,080 the characteristics of the light were strange. And then he began to chase it 185 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,320 and fly around, and it kept bank around and doing all these things until 186 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,919 it took off just you know, was gone, as we read about so 187 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,919 many other times. But he said he pursued this thing for twenty seven minutes. 188 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,759 And there were other witnesses involved other aircraft, so there were a lot 189 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,960 of credible witnesses along with this case. So it's a fascinating sighting and that 190 00:14:22,039 --> 00:14:26,960 was kind of like a foo fighter and what they were saying essentially, yeah, 191 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:31,279 it's a foo fighter experience. After World War Two with this Air National 192 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,559 Guard pilot and his his P fifty one, which was a plane that was 193 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,879 you know, used that was our one of our major I think it was 194 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:43,919 a marine. The Marines used it for in World War Two. If I'm 195 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,000 if I'm not mistaken, but someone could correct me. But anyways, it 196 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:52,200 was a plane that we did use in World War Two. But you can 197 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:54,200 at Open Minds not TV. I've got a link to it to the front 198 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,360 page. I also tweeted it and facebook the story. You can also see 199 00:14:58,399 --> 00:15:03,200 it at the History Channel's Project Bluebook page, which people should explore because it's 200 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,679 really really neat stuff, great, awesome anything. I know we're just about 201 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:11,919 out of time here, but has any like really good sightings. Are you 202 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,639 aware of any good recent sightings people are talking about. I haven't really I've 203 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,639 been involved in a project, haven't really taken a look myself. There are 204 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:28,240 some people decidings that I've seen that are out there, have been figured out 205 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,879 essentially, and I've posted about a few of those. If you go to 206 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,679 the Open minds UFO news group on Facebook, you could see a lot of 207 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:41,039 those stories. But yeah, nothing too exciting in my opinion, it seems 208 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,039 like everything has kind of been explained so unfortunately, Yeah, no big exciting 209 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,200 recently that I'm aware of. Well all right, well, hey, thanks 210 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,559 so much, my pleasure say Hi to Chris. He's great. This should 211 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,360 be a great show. All right, excellent, all right, we'll see 212 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,080 you next week. All right, talk to you later. All right, 213 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,720 everyone, So our guest Chris Cogswell. He received his PhD and Chemical engineering 214 00:16:07,799 --> 00:16:15,159 focusing on the study of nano materials for use as catalysts and absorbents. And 215 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:22,600 he got that degree at Northeastern University. And he has a bachelor's degree of 216 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:30,919 Chemical engineering and philosophy from the University of New Hampshire. He actually graduated the 217 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:34,600 same year as my son. How about that. And he has a podcast 218 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,480 and it's on you know, basically like fringe science, claims and science, 219 00:16:42,559 --> 00:16:48,000 and it's called the Mad Scientists Podcast. And I can't I started listening one. 220 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:49,879 I'm going to check that podcast out for sure. Chris, Welcome to 221 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:53,399 the show. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. I think 222 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,759 I got most of that right, didn't I? Oh yeah, oh yeah, 223 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,320 I know you got it right. It's a good stuff. Yeah. 224 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:04,400 So, Chris, Uh, I listened to you a while back when you 225 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,039 want, when you were on Open Minds with all Jandro. I was pretty 226 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:15,480 pretty impressed. And so, but I don't remember listening to how you started 227 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:19,680 getting a fascination for I know it's not just UFOs, but UFOs are part 228 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:25,960 of it. So, along with your science interests and your philosophy interests, 229 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,119 what really led you down the path of looking into the UFO topic among others 230 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,079 things. So when I was a kid, I actually had what I would 231 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,359 describe to be a near UFO signing or not, maybe not a sighting. 232 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,920 Even I growing up had very very vivid dreams. I still have very vivid 233 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:52,039 dreams. Seems to be something that runs in my family. And so one 234 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:59,079 night, as you know any rambunctious seven year old kid, I stayed up 235 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,279 way too late, I way too much candy. I snuck into my dad's 236 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:10,799 my parents' bedroom to watch the X Files reruns, and just like tore into 237 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:14,720 you know, all those Christmas popcorn tins right with like the different Okay, 238 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,799 just tore into one of those right like I'm sure there wasn't any caramel corn 239 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,799 left in the morning. And I remember then falling asleep and then being woken 240 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:30,519 up later by a green, glowing something that I felt was looking at me 241 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,680 from the closet from from the hallway of my parents the hallway where my parents' 242 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,920 bedroom was and that memory just kind of stuck with me, you know, 243 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,440 I had no idea what happened. I seemed to just wake up the next 244 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,000 morning and everything was fine whatever. And I had a couple of other similar 245 00:18:48,079 --> 00:18:52,759 kind of experiences where I would be kind of in and out asleep and I'd 246 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:56,920 have a scary nightmare experience kind of thing. And then I kind of just 247 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:57,599 pushed it to the back of my head, you know, I was like, 248 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,000 well, it's two whatever, it's a scary thing. I don't know 249 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:07,920 what happened. And finally I started getting older, you know, maybe around 250 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,480 thirteen fourteen fifteen, around that age, I asked my mom, I said, 251 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:12,720 you know, do you do you remember me saying anything about that? 252 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,279 And my mom's explanation, as far as I can remember, it was basically, 253 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,000 yeah, you used to get really bad fevers as a kid and your 254 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:26,720 brain was boiling, you know, so it's so basically you know, I 255 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:27,839 was, I was in bed, I must have had a bad fever or 256 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,799 something, and so form and now as an adult, um, I kind 257 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:41,240 of I know some of the s of if I could be tricked, other 258 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:44,160 people can be tricked, other people can be can be mistaken. Other people 259 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,880 can have scary experiences, and even if one hundred, you know, even 260 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,960 if nearly ninety nine percent of them are are just mistakes, what if there's 261 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,119 that one percent that is a real experience or a real case of someone seeing 262 00:19:56,519 --> 00:20:03,519 something strange at night or being abducted or whatever. So really, it was 263 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:07,839 a mix of my own personal experiences and kind of my love of science that 264 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,440 made me want to ask these questions more because again, you know, the 265 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:18,000 history of science is filled with these things that we thought were completely impossible for 266 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,160 generations, you know, and something is always impossible until it isn't anymore, 267 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,240 right, So in my mind, this is kind of one of those interesting 268 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:33,440 questions where you know, thousands of people every month report sightings, hundreds report 269 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:38,680 things like direct contact, and I think, regardless again of whether or not 270 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:45,240 there's any ultimate regardless of what the ultimate source of those cases are, there 271 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:49,519 is something useful and interesting scientifically to investigate here. So that's kind of where 272 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:55,960 I come from with all these questions. And I would notice on your show 273 00:20:56,039 --> 00:21:00,200 that you do other topics. I saw you did Mothman and the other things 274 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:04,480 like that, but that's called the Mad Scientist podcast. But you were just 275 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:10,200 before the show when we're checking in, and we'll show that logo. Go 276 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,039 ahead. So just before the show when we were checking in, you said 277 00:21:14,039 --> 00:21:19,119 that Joe also did another podcast and what did you say that had something to 278 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,839 a science I mean our space or something. So we are starting a show 279 00:21:26,759 --> 00:21:32,519 with We're starting a show basically with Dave Scott from Space Out Radio where the 280 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:37,319 second Wednesday of every month we are going to be talking about talking about these 281 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,559 cases from the lens of science and skepticism and kind of questioning really some of 282 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:48,319 those ideas. So we're calling them, we're calling them reality paranormal and so 283 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,960 they're gonna be going out on a Tuesday or Wednesday nights, sorry, the 284 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,160 second Wednesday of every month nights, So be sure to check there that and 285 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,599 I'll put the links up on my Twitter page and everything can give you those 286 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:04,319 as well. Excellent. Okay, yeah, um, So I figured we 287 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:10,640 could probably get this part out of the way, um by talking talking about 288 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,599 mouf On in your short stint. How long we were actually with mouf On. 289 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:21,119 I think I was at Mufon maybe two and a half scared mouchies. 290 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,799 Maybe I don't know, I was let's see that was eleven days. Yeah, 291 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,640 I was there longer than that. Um, I would say, no, 292 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:34,599 no, his his his time a month, right, No, so 293 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:40,319 we're talking. We're talking maybe then oh eight or eight, eight to ten 294 00:22:40,599 --> 00:22:44,160 mooches of my time at move On. So I was there for about I 295 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:52,200 was there for between four and five months my full time there was And that 296 00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:56,079 includes kind of me initially getting involved in the organization, wanted to become you 297 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,279 know, really wanted to become a member, wanting to help do some research, 298 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,119 kind of trying to get a look into their reports, and you know, 299 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:10,920 the book, so to speak, and to my eventual resignation. So, 300 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:17,920 um, but before we talk about your resignation, you had a really 301 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:23,160 good goal of getting things done there. How was was that progressing in the 302 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:30,519 right direction before? Do you know? I'd hit the fan? So it 303 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:37,119 was, it was progressing. It was the thing with the thing with Moufon 304 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:44,759 that I think a lot of people not actively involved in investigations don't realize is 305 00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:51,079 that Moufon is really more of a it's not like a big, very organized 306 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:59,359 organization. It's very it's very focused on individual states. And so part of 307 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,920 what I was hoping to accomplish was trying to consolidate some of that energy. 308 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,759 All the you know, there are people in states doing wonderful work, doing 309 00:24:07,839 --> 00:24:12,440 really good investigations, spending their own time, spending their own money, you 310 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,559 know, to go out there and do these do these investigative cases and things, 311 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,400 and then that information doesn't go anywhere. It just ends up on a 312 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:25,319 server in the basement of move On headquarters. Yeah. A lot of people 313 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,720 complaining about that, Yeah, and it's a it's a valid complaint. I 314 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,039 mean, you would think that with all of the cases that they get, 315 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,559 and with all the time and everything, that you'd be able to make something 316 00:24:37,599 --> 00:24:41,880 really useful. And what I found was that it was not a lack of 317 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:45,079 information that stopped that from happening. It was more of a lack of clear 318 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:52,200 direction and a lack of energy and motivation. We managed to probably the biggest 319 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,960 thing that we accomplished while there was the creation of a I hope it's still 320 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:03,039 going and I hope it's still available people, and if anyone emails and then 321 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:06,319 it's not available anymore, then that's a shame. But what we were able 322 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,160 to do was that move On database. One of the biggest things keeping move 323 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,000 fund from giving that database information out to other researchers. Were concerns about personally 324 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,799 identifying information. So, you know, if you make a UFO report, 325 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:26,039 you don't want then your name and address and cell phone number and everything else 326 00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:30,119 your contact info to go out to the you know, anybody who says I'm 327 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,160 oh, I want to investigate, I want to research. You don't want 328 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,880 anyone to get that your information. So one of the biggest concerns was ensuring 329 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,400 that that information went out to the right people and so and was kept safe 330 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,799 in cases where we didn't want it to go out. So we're gonna have 331 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,400 to hold it. We're gonna have to keep that thought. If you would 332 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,960 I write that thought down. We'll get back to it. So we're coming 333 00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:56,079 up on a break right now. This is Martin Willis the podcast UFO on 334 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:02,799 kg r A Radio, and my guest is Christopher Cordswell. We'll be right 335 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:11,759 back after this commercial break. All right, everyone, that's it for the 336 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,359 free part of the show. If you want to listen to full shows and 337 00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:19,960 archives and bonus shows such as we're doing and move on this coming weekend, 338 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,680 all you have to do is support us for two dollars or more a month. 339 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,880 There's also an option to pay a one time per year fee, so 340 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,839 check that out on podcast ufo dot com. 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