What is up? Hardwood knocks listeners? What is up? YouTube? Because
that is the only spot in which I can be kindest. Actually recording is
but greetings from the future for anyone listening or the past. There anyone listening
to this in the future. Hopefully not all this is dated. I also
don't know how long I'm going to go because I do work in the business
of the NBA right now, and as you can imagine, Kevin Durant's trade
request is kind of a big deal. It's kind of a big deal.
I think what's interesting is everything about this. I don't even know where to
begin. I'm stumbling and I was just sending out a promo to Seye.
We get more people in here, so forgive me there. Feel free to
get your comments, and if you're coming in, we'll talk packages, destinations.
Let's get to the brass tacks of this. Kevin Durant requests a trade.
He hasn't even started his four year, one hundred and ninety seven plus
million dollars extension that he signed with Brooklyn. This is like sort of this
is unprecedented. I'm pretty sure I don't think anyone's ever requested to trade with
four years left in their contracts. This is basically like a sign and trade
situation, but it's it's also not so I'm freaking. I'm this was sort
of in the ether, and yet I'm still just sort of floorm floored and
contents as you turned your light on. Actually sometimes it's always on. I'll
just fuck with the screen so that you can't see it. But yes,
my light is on. I really should turn it off so you guys can't
see how bleary eyed I am if you're watching this on YouTube. But Kevin
Durant request the trade, gives the Nets a list of preferred destinations. He
did request it face to faith with Joe Si. I wonder that's per wog.
I wonder if this was sort of just like a I wonder if this
was just sort of like a oh going over shore marks his head, or
he and his agent Rich Climbing like didn't want to have to deal's Shawn Marks
anymore, or was this out of respect for some reason because of the method
by which Katie got to Brooklyn didn't even really meet with them before. I
found that interesting. He gives the Nets a list of preferred destinations. Phoenix
is on it, Miami's on it. I think I saw somewhere that in
Atlanta might be on it as well. What is interesting here and we need
to get into all this what which also says all the Nets players on the
roster are now available. This comes after they gave up a first round pick
for Royce O'Neil, who would have been a fantastic fit with the team.
F YI, that's just so wild to me. That's like, I feel
like Utah leak. That is sort of this news dump of Oh, all
this Kevin Durant shit is going off, and we're gonna hide, try to
hide the fact that we just gave up our best non go bear defender and
we're not getting an actual player back. Let's just try and sort of shoehorn
this into that. So that's that's another mind melting part of this. What
happens with Kyrie after he in now and apparently neither he nor Katie has had
contact with the organization. That's a little bit like weird in the sense of
we know Kevin Durant talked with Josi. I would think that that counts is
like having contact with with the organization. But this is all to say and
now we've given some stragglers enough time to get in here, and there's barely
anyone in here at the moment I need to These are just happening, impromptu
shout out to everyone who's in here at the moment. The Kevin Durant trade
sweep stace is going to be fascinating because there are so many moving parts here.
There's one here has four years left on his deal, so if you're
the Nets, you don't have to take into account what he wants. You
can send him anywhere, because I would think teams are willing to give up
value for a superstar who doesn't want to be there but has no real power
of not playing there unless he's willing to sit out for the next four years
and try and use that leverage. That being said, I don't think teams
want to deal with a messy situation, whether you're the Nets or the acquiring
team. There's also players talk, agent talk. You want to build up
goodwill with players to be known as an organization that's a player's organization. I
don't really know if the Nets need to worry about that at this point.
I mean, they're The perception here is just terrible, and we can get
into if anyone wose questions that why you even go this route. You all
of a sudden try to grow a backbone with the Kyrie stuff after you traded
for James Harden. After you this is not in any order, but you
let Kenny Atkinson leave. You took into account who k D and Kyrie wanted
when you hired your head coach. You signed DeAndre Jordan, you played him
over Jared Allen. You traded care Slevert and Jared Allen and it's one of
your future In the James Harden trade, you then move the James James Harden
because it's Kyrie's fault. Like if Kyrie gets vaccinated or if COVID's not a
thing, Kyrie getting vaccinated would be the easier thing to envision. James Harden
might still be in Brooklyn, and that's just like that's something while to think
about as well. Then you say Kyrie can't play part time or be a
part time of your team. Only say no, way, no, that's
okay. So why are you just growing a backbone now when you sort of
know the stakes. You handed this franchise over to your superstars for better or
worse, like you should have stuck with it. That's just what I can't
get my head wrapped around at the moment. So anyway, Kevin Durant four
years left on his deal Miami, Atlanta, Phoenix. I think was mentioned
out there. You can throw destinations in the chat that you would like,
if there are trades that you would like to see, if there are reports
that I'm missing, even though I have both my phones near me, and
like I said, I could have to leave at any second just because I
am working on this to some extent elsewhere. Now, with all that said,
I want to know if they are just dark horse teams that can come
in here. We know. Look, the Miami special is you need to
move money. You have Tyler Hero Nikola Yovitch who you just drafted, and
then you can move up to three first round picks in twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty nine. Those would be depending on your obligation
to okay, see in twenty and twenty five. Can you negotiate that so
it's no longer protected or something whatever? That team interesting Durant wants to go
there? Sense would you give a BAM out of bye on a three team
deal though, because the salary to match for. Kevin Durant is just super
tough. I would you can't trade him too, Brooklyn if they're gonna keep
Ben Simmons, because you can only have two designated players on extensions. But
that's we don't need to get in the minutia. That brings up the other
interesting element of this. Whether you're talking about Phoenix who look DeAndre inside and
trade natural fit right now, you'll move Mchael Bridges if Cam Johnson needs to
be involved future picks. Kevin Durant is thirty four, that's something we need
to consider. And Kevin Durant since twenty sixteen twenty seventeen has played in fewer
regular season and playoff games than Joel Embiad. Keep that in perspective. I
know Katie missed an entire season, that's also the point. And he's missed
a bunch of time specifically over these past three seasons. And I didn't even
include those like Joel Embiad has played in so many more games than him during
that span. I think that needs to go into your your calculus. And
I'm I'm just curious as to what this trade packages ends up looking like.
And Miami would be the first case study, would you give up Bam?
This young superstar is nowhere near Katie's level. But Katie's level is is what
is It's sixty games a season now and how many years left do you have
of this this version of Kevin Durant. It's an honest question. So what
are you willing to give up for him? There other teams that are coming
in and like we can look kJ in the chat said Gary plus og plus
picks for KD. I believe I should really have my salary sheets up for
this seat. I'm just like, I'm a fucking mess right now because I
did not see I just didn't envision this necessarily happening. That being said,
yes, that's the framework. But I think if you're the Nets, you're
gonna say, hey, we want Scottie Barnes. And if you're not willing
to give up Scotty Barnes, which if I'm the Raptors already said I wouldn't
just because of the Kevin Durant age, the injury history. Now they're gonna
go to other teams. Maybe they go to Memphis and say, well you
give us Jaron Jackson Junior. Do you go to New Orleans and ask about
and ask about Zion. Toronto is one of my favorite landing spots for Katie
from a basketball perspective, If I do wonder if you need a third team
involved. There you have Gary and Og I think get you almost to the
money that you need to sign to match Kad. I'm not sure if it
does that right, but you have other contracts that aren't you know, a
huge part of your core that you can also include. And then you have
picks like they're they have a bunch of their own picks, so that's like
not really an issue. If you're the Nets. Do you want Gary Trent
Junior one year out from free agency is the main part of that trade.
Do you even want Og? Like he is sort of sneakily almost going to
be a free agent, he's So that's something that you have to consider as
well. I don't know how you get the deal done not involving a third
team if Scottie Barnes is not involved, and yeah you would, Katie's at
forty four point one next year, so you need more money involved other than
Trent and at anenobe. Excuse me, but that is that is definitely the
framework. I just don't think that they're going to be able to pull it
off again without a third team or including Scotty Barnes, which just to note,
I would not I would not do I just would not do it.
We're getting a lot of love for Portland in the chat. Dame Dame did
recruit Katie. I guess he posts him and nir Kige posted on their ig
stories or Twitter of Kevin Durant in a Blazer jersey next to Dame. I
always get a kick when players do that, because it's just like one if
you're their teammates who are under contract, you're kind of like, oh,
I'm gonna be traded in that deal if we get if we get Kevin Durans,
Like, what is Shade and Sharp thinking just drafted by the Blazers when
he's seeing all that? What is even Josh Hart thinking when he's seeing all
that? And I guess it's different. Heart wasn't there for that long.
Shande Sharp has even player for them yet, but still I don't think Portland
has the the s fire power to get involved. Shaden Sharpe helps a bunch,
but they have They've already traded out a first round pick and so that's
going to make their offer significantly less attractive to other teams, unless than nets
are really just enthralled by the prospect of having these really distant Portland Trailblazers first
round picks. And so what you're looking at is you get the money together,
and that's Shaden Sharp plus money. Josh Hart's probably in there. Their
salary matching stuff is weird. They could guarantee Eric Pltz's contracts still, I
believe, and use that as just salary flots them. But with their twenty
twenty third first round pick headed to Chicago, that is lottery protected. If
you would do first allowable, you could do twenty five, twenty seven,
twenty nine and include a bunch of swaps there in between. That plus Shaden
Sharp is the basis of your deal. Does that get it done? The
destination would be incredibly interesting, And Noah did say, what up? Noah,
finally you joined one of these Nurk Shaden Sharp and all the pictures ran.
It would be funny if he signed and traded Nurks to Brooklyn after he
posted the picture of Dame and Kevin Durant wearing the Blazer's jersey, and it
would just be cool, like I want a star. I mean, Phoenix
is part of this, and it would be the second one who's done that.
And if people who don't know, like, Phoenix is a really popular
market among NBA players because of their proximity to Los Angeles and just it's known
as a like the climate, and so that was like until that organization went
off the rails, that was like a desiral spot among NBA players and so
but this is a big win for Phoenix. Chris Paul wanted to trade there,
and now Kevin Durant's willing to go there to play with Devin Booker and
Chris Paul. This is, look, the biggest winner of all this is
fucking Devin Booker. You first, Chris Paul wants to come play with you,
and then Kevin Durant within basically two and a half years of each other.
Shout out to Devin Booker. For sure. I think Phoenix will get
their package. They can definitely get it done. Eighton base your compensation makes
difficult. You can expand the deal to include a bunch more players, a
bunch more teams. I think the crux of it, though, is the
eight and sign and trade. Mikhail Bridges is heading out as well, and
then you're including if you need to include other money to make it work with
other teams, and I think I mean even for you just to get Kevin
durantpack, you do need to. You might need to include more money.
Because Micaal bridges on the books for twenty one eight and can at most count
for fifteen in going salary for the Suns. He can be paid thirty plus,
but he'll account for around fifteen millions. So no, that'll that would
do it in itself. So it's those two that's the framework, and then
all the picks moving forward, and they can offer they don't have any picks,
like they don't have any extra picks incoming, but none of their future
first rounders or anybody else. So they could go twenty three, twenty five,
seven, twenty nine, they could. Maybe the Nets want to kick
that can. If they're swaps in between, perhaps it doesn't matter. You
also have to structure it. When the Nets are gonna have first round picks,
they're trade with the sixers and whoever else they're moving can make it so
they can maybe swap in any given year. They don't have to worry about
their own conveyances. But like that's the pathway for Phoenix, and I think
Phoenix has offered to me would be more attractive than the Miami offer. I
want Aton's next contract less than I want Tyler Hero's next contract, if that
makes any sense. But given the age of CP three, given the tenuous
track record of just the Phoenix organization, like Kevin Durant's thirty four three years
down the line, I could see the Suns maybe being worse if they created
for Kevin Durant, then the heat would be in that scenario. So if
I had to bet, I don't want to hedge against either of these teams
futures, but I would hedge against Phoenix's for sure. So Romely Eighten says
of the cat so as much as Kyrie Irving is an Asian of chaos and
that's tried to play horrible and ended up losing their team as a results,
I'm with you. I said this at the top, that you don't you
know, you don't, you don't bend over backwards to accommodate your superstars and
all of a sudden decide that you're not going to do that anymore. The
Nets made the choice from the moment they signed these two in twenty nineteen,
and every decision they basically made since then catered to them and cow towed to
them. And that's fine. Kevin Durant is one of the praist basketl players
of all time. You can't all of a sudden just expect to deviate that,
deviate from that and not phase repercussions like this, when Kevin Durant is
not in Brooklyn because he wanted to win with the Nets. He's in Brooklyn
because he wanted to play with Kyrie Irving, and the Knicks fucking suck.
Kevin Durant was injured. If you were Kyrie, why would you want to
spend a year alone with the Knicks organization? So there will be the case
that the Knicks dodged to Pullet there like, Yeah, the way that's played
out, it sure looks that way. I'm just I'm very I'm with I'm
with Rome here. The Nets did this to themselves. But it's it's amazing
that Kyrie Irving is now submarined like the team to this extent, just because
had he been fully available for them last year. I honestly don't think any
of this is happening. I don't know if we're talking about the Nets is
champions, but we might be. So there's like an alternate reality where like
there's an alternate reality where the Brooklyn Nets are raining champions and Kevin Durant and
James James Harden and Kyrie Irving are all are all staying there. Back to
the the Kevin Durant sweepstakes though, so we've talked Toronto and I think they're
like a main team mentioned amongst NBA Intelligenza, and then you have Phoenix.
We went over them, we went over Miami. Those are the teams that
Kevin Durant really wants to be on. And I'm throwing Toronto within myself like
that a team. I think maybe you trade for Kevin Durant and he's not
thrilled about it, but you have Massi, Pascal Siakam, Fred van Fleet
still there. Perhaps he ends up being happy there. Let me know.
And we talked about Portland Dame. We at least no wance him. I
could envision Kevin duranping okay with that. Atlanta is tougher, that was on
his list. They just gave up three first plus one swap for Dejanta Murray
you're now left with John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, on Yeka kong Wu,
Jalen Johnson just draft to aj Griffin. You can still trade first like they
have their own first next year and they don't need to keep it, and
you can offer maybe a twenty twenty four swap in that scenario. And like
to be clear, that's having given up all that with I mean giving up
all that for Dejante Murray and still being able to offer this type of package.
It will beat out some of the best offers or what other teams can
give. I just don't think it's it's enough. But if it's k de
Trey and Dejanta Murray or the Galaxy Brent theory here would be the Atlanta acquired
de Gante Mariy to include him in the Katie trade, But the value they
give up for him just doesn't make me think that's the case. There's also
Kevin Herder, Bodan Madonovich is in there, Clincoppela as well, so they
still have the ability to make an intriguing offer. I just really don't I
don't see how they end up having the best offer, Drew says. Toronto
or Instinct contenders with Katie for sure. Drew, if you've listened to this
podcast before, I've just I've recklessly declared that the Toronto Raptors are contenders already
as of next season. So I am very interested to see if they get
involved in the sweepstakes. Anyone have other teams that they want to talk about.
I'm gonna go through what I think would be some of my favorite ones
is Memphis would never do this, but they should. Kadi Jah and I
think you can put together one of the best offers even without Karen Jackson Junior
involved there or Desmond Vane rather so Zayre Williams. You have all your own
first round picks moving forward, in addition to the Golden State Warriors twenty twenty
four first round pick that's very loosely protected. I would expect Golden State to
probably still be good by then. You just drafted Jake Lavia. You have
David Roddy, I mentioned Desmond Bain and Sire Williams. You have some interesting
salary matching tools. There's Danny Green's expiring, Dylan Brooks His expiring as well.
I guess the argument against them would be and you have a expiring and
Steven Adams, So anchoring the salary of a kemn derand trade isn't difficult.
But if you're not giving up Jaren Jackson Junior or John Moran, I guess
there could be an argument of is there really the blue chip? Is?
You know, is Desmond Baine on the same level as Asset, as DeAndre
and Michael Bridges. I think some people would argue sure here Williams is interesting.
He's not there yet. They're still a team if they're including enough picks,
though, that's someone who could really really go for it. Roy Eggers,
who's actually my friend Skittles. Everyone say hello to Skittles, Katie to
the Yankees, who says no, I would say he's that type of front
runner. But I think hitching your wagon to Kyrie I Ring in the first
place proves that you're a glutton for punishment, in which case maybe he should
ask for a trade to the Knicks. Could the Bulls this is from Drew.
Could the Bulls realistically have an offer for Lavine? Signs? The Max,
Him and Kady salary seem close, So the idea using Zach Lavine and
assign and trade for KD that could work. I think you would need to
involve a third team just because I don't know. Zach Lavine is young enough
to where maybe the Nets want him. But if you're getting rid of KD,
you're you are rebuilding, and so zach Lavine on a max contract,
I don't know where that leadsually there. The Bulls, they're hamstrung with the
picks they can give up because they have that twenty twenty five first going to
San Antonio. They can go further out twenty seven, twenty nine, swaps
in twenty six and twenty eight and twenty four as well, so they could
go that route. They probably have to do something though, where it's making
sure that their pick conveys to it's out to the Spurs right now and it's
lottery protected or Top ten protective, I believe. So maybe you get to
Antonio to let you remove the protections on that, they could do it.
I just don't. I think you'd want Kadi and zach Lavine together and you
can't. You can't do that, even if you can come up with the
money, which you can between Patrick Williams, Kobe White Bouja's expiring deal,
I just don't see a pathway to them being able to make a realistic offer,
and the Nets aren't gonna want to Rosen Katie and de Rosen. I
mean, you talk about just buckets, but even Levine is just a bucket
as well. So that would surprise me a little bit if they got involved,
even if I think I would just soon move super intriguing, So they
don't have Again, they're not the team that I would say has the worst
offer, and by virtue of being in the Durance sweep stakes, I think
other teams will will pass on this, and so perhaps that if you have
the stomach for risk, could you get involved? There a team that I'm
a little disappointed no one in our chats has mentioned just yet. So I'm
gonna mention it myself and force it into force it into existence. And no
one makes a great point in the chat. Everyone else on the NETS is
up for grabs. Again. Hysterical, fucking hysterical that this happens after the
trade for Royce O'Neill is announced, and like immediately after, And so I
applaud utah trying to sort of escape scrutiny for whatever the hell they just did.
Kudos kudos to them trading your best non Gobert defender without taking a player
back. They hit it well. Congratulations to Utah any who. We'll get
into some of those other players. I think Kyrie's obviously inswering Ben Simmons as
he stayed there. But the New Orleans Pelicans for KD is no one is
no one about it? Are you giving up Zion for Kevin Durant? When
I was had this conversation with my good friend and colleague, Granted Hughes,
he said no. I said yes, And ultimately he said he said he
would give up Zion. I said I would not, and I definitely would
not. But they could put together a decent offer even without Zion. They
have all those picks, Herb Jones, Tyson Daniels, Trey Murphy, the
third, They have some salary matching tools depending on what Brooklyn is really trying
to get into. But are you gonna give up brandon Ingram? Will they
ask for him? I think if push comes to shove, you probably have
to. And Brandigrom actually has a less time on his deal than Kd's just
younger, and you know that he really wants to be in New Orleans.
If you're trying to build an offer independent of him, I think you're looking
at your salary matching tools are then Jonas found Hunist because I don't think the
Nets are gonna want se J McCollum, DeVante Graham. You also have Larry
Nancy Junior, Jackson Hayes, Garrett Temple like you can get to the money
by step laddering. And then it's a matter of Okay, well, what
does does Kyra Lewis Junior have any value as a prospect? We know Trey
Murphy, does, we know Herb Jones does Josie Alvarado might have to be
a throw in just to someone with value. Gyson Daniels was just the eighth
pick. They have some future Milwaukee picks. One more future Lakers pick they
can swap with the Lakers next year, but it's not their actual pick.
They have the twenty twenty four Lakers pick that they can defer to twenty twenty
five. They have all their own first round picks moving forward, so they
can get spicy without including Ingram, McCollum or Zion. I don't know if
you get out of that deal if you don't have I'm seeing, oh,
I'm reading Okay, Drews has called it. I thought there was like a
news break. I was shocked, But I think the Pelicans could put together
one of the one of the better, one of the better offers here.
Could you get out of that without including his ion and brand ingram? Though?
Is the is the primary question? I think we can move on really
quickly because I'm gonna have to wrap up here soon that Oh wait, this
is another report from uh woag? Where did it go? I missed it
all right? Well just Wode saying that Kyrie Irving has played his last game
for the Nets. Wow, So where does Kyrie Irving go? He's on
an expiring contract. Now. I don't know which team after seeing what happens
in Brooklyn, how it ends in Boston, how would even ended in Cleveland?
What? Like? Which team is giving up a ton for him?
I think you end up with a really modest return. That's why Dallas they
can't trade a first round pick twenty five. But even if you're Dallas and
you're looking at the matching salaries here, are you going to give up Dorian
Phinny Smith? And I'm a serious question, like, are you giving up
Dorian Phinny Smith and a trade for Kyrie? Right now? Like? Would
you want to give up Dorman, Phinny Smith and Maxi Kleeb and other stuff
with Kyrie Irving entering free agency next year. By the way, No,
you're probably like, can we dangle Davis Burton, Spencer, Spencer Dinwoody,
and Spencer Dinwity. Reunion with Brooklyn would be funny. Hopefully they're okay paying
him in bitcoin or ethereum whatever he's getting paid for. Now, are you
do you even have the type of package to where oh, it's it's it's
the salary flotsam because they're not even expiring contracts. When you look at Burton's
Tim Hardaway, junior palels expiring and then some first round picks because they don't
have any blue chip prospects. You're not gonna make it a jail On Brunton
sign and trade because the the the nets aren't that I've interested him. Karagan
asked who's worth more, Kyrie or Conley? Probably? I think Conley's the
saferget, even with that huge guarantee in his next deal. But Kyrie can
leave next summer for your team, and we've shown that he already would leaves.
I'm just gonna say Conley if I'm a team, I'd rather trade for
Mike Conley than kept Kyrrie Irving. At this point, Kyrie is the better
player, but the extracurriculars, the uncertainty ascribed to him, that's just that's
just wild. Noah says for KD net Sun's Ystard's seventy six or straight Involving
eight and Harris, Tybel Durant. If you're including Tyree's Maxie, oh,
so you're not having Kevin Durant go to feed the Sixers there. I did
see some people say that the Sixers should make a run for Kevin Durant,
WHI would just be hysterical if he winds up back with James Hard If you
include Maxie and and Harris, and I guess more future draft equity, like
does that get you somewhere? So, but yeah, I would pick Kyrie
over Conley at this point. If I'm looking at teams that I think could
talk themselves into take the chance, there's the Lakers obviously. And if you're
Brooklyn, look if you can get twenty six twenty eight swaps from the Lakers
and a twenty seven twenty nine first round pick from them for Kyrie Irving and
Russell Westbrook, just do it. You're rebuilding anyway. You could play with
Russ for a year. You could try to broke or a buyout and let
him sign elsewhere. Like it's a huge contract, but it's one year left
and your future is being submarined anyway, So the Lakers, I don't think
the Clippers go for it. I already mentioned Dallas. I don't have like,
I don't have good answer beyond that. I really just I'm trying to
think of teams that would consider or have the gall to go after a Kyrie
Irving, and I really just can't. I can't get there, Like builders
are them. I think what might be more interesting is Ben Simmons trade destinations.
We have John Doe in the chat saying Nick Nurse would love Ben at
Center. It'd be really funny. If they have the opportunity to get Kadi.
We're like no, They're like, fuck it, we'll go Ben Simmons.
Here's the thing. If you're not getting kd and we know you don't
want Kyrie, Toronto's trade assets are still their primary salary matching tools are Gary
Trent Junior and og n Anobi. Assuming you're not trading Fred van Fleet or
Pascal Siakam. Are you willing to give up both OG and Gary Trent Junior
for Ben Simmons because functionally like that's what it's going to take. He makes
thirty five point five million dollars. That almost lines up the salaries perfectly.
You can't really get they're just giving one up, like, let's use the
more expensive one OG and a Noobi at seventeen point four, Ken Birch at
six point seven, so you're at twenty four million dollars there. Then you're
giving up I guess Precious and al Kai Flynn and you have Spez money,
So it would have to be like a five for one you could get there.
How many picks are you attaching to that? For Toronto to do it,
for excuse me, Brooklyn to do it, I don't know, but
that would be so just very much in line with what Toronto has done in
the path. It would be funny if they went for Ben Simmons. I
love Minnesota as a Ben Simmons destination. I don't know necessarily what they give
up. It's definitely built. You build it around picks for sure, And
then I think you if you're the nets of you would as Okay, we're
not getting Towns, we're not getting Edwards. What we want is short term
salary more interesting. You don't like if you want a Jared Vanderbilt, fine,
just to sort of throwing you targeted around Malik Beasley short term deal only
has two years left with the player option on that final season, Patrick Beverley,
his contract is expiring. Like I said, Jared Vanderbilt is cheap and
short term. You could even just go the d low route if the Minnesota
Termins were willing to do that. The salaries line up perfectly. Bring him
back just for the year, or maybe you're trying to rerout him elsewhere.
Get Minnesota's picks. Jared Vanderbilt is there, and I think you give up
Jade McDaniels and that deal for sure. I think Ben Simmons is gettable for
Minnesota if they're if they're willing to pay, so that would be a destination
for Ben Simmons to watch. Any other destinations for Ben Simmons that anyone hasn't
is is really interested in. I don't see, like you know, he's
young enough to where I guess the team could really roll the dice on him.
But after he didn't play last season? Well I could. I definitely
could see Toronto, just sort of trying to roll to roll that dice on
that. Aside from Minnesota, I'm just wondering, like, Okay, well,
what would his market really be? You know, Atlanta's probably out of
the running. You could do a John Collins thing around Ben Simmons and lead
really into defense with Dejana and Simmons, but Capella Simmons Dejana, that'spacing would
be would be pretty wonky? Would Charlotte consider it? Like you giving up?
You have some intrigue, Like I don't even know what James book Night's
value is, Kai book Kai Jones. Are you willing to give up a
Mark Williams who you just drafted? But you have Kelly brid junior, Terry
Rozier's money, Gordon Hayward's money, PJ. Washington entering the final year of
his contracts, he's succession eligible. Can you build something there to get Ben
Simmons, pair him with Lamello and presumably the recently arrested on domestic violence charges
Miles Bridges. So could they be a team? Maybe? I thought about
Dallas for Ben Simmons as well, just because I could see, I guess
he would cost more than Kyrie at this point, so maybe not, But
that might make a little bit more sense for Dallas than Kyrie because Simons is
under contract. But what do you need to attach to the salary anchors?
Like, and you have Dinwoody Burton's and Tim Hardaway Junior's contracts, Dwight Powell's
expiring deal, even ques your woulds you can get there, but like,
what are the blue chip assets you're including. I'm not giving up Dorrian Finnie
Smith for Ben Simmons. That's just the state of affairs right now. That's
just really where I'm at. Fatt and Bouche would probably be brought back to
be filler. John Doe says, I'm guessing yeah, it could certainly do
as sign and trade with one of their players who wouldn't be screwed up by
the baseher compensation run. So that's a good point with with Toronto. You
know you are right, John Dough, I just wasn't thinking in terms of
sign sign and trs. Linked says Philly offered Maxie Matist to Bias three first
for Katie thoughts. My first thought is I don't think they can actually offer
three first round picks, but I will double check that because they owe their
twenty twenty three first to Brooklyn now and they're twenty twenty five first to Okay,
see they can offer and they're twenty twenty seven first to Brooklyn, so
you can offer a twenty twenty nine first. That's the only first allowable first
you can trade right now. You could dangle pick swaps, but that would
be the issue. Where are you getting those extra first round picks from?
Which is why I would think they're really out of the Kevin Durant running here.
Tyres maxie By himself could get into some interesting conversations though, like just
having that flute ship prospect two years left on his his rookie scale, I
might be out of Ben Simmons destinations already. I don't think Miami has the
goal and go after him. I thought about Miami's a Kyrie destination just because
the opportunity cost might be low. He doesn't really fit their their culture there
though, just looking at other teams, like if you're missing, you know,
Portland could still have interest in Ben Simmons. I think even after getting
Jeremy Grant, Dame Jeremy Grant and Ben Simmons as your bass and like if
you're willing to include Shaden sharp and then it's just a matter of matching salary
from there, because again, I don't know how much you're getting for Ben
Simmons at this point. I don't hate it. I don't hate it.
I might even love it. Does anyone love the idea of Jeremy Grant,
Ben Simmons and Damian Lillard in Portland? You obviously prefer Kevin Durant if you're
them. How about Sacramento for Ben Simmons. That would be interesting. They
still have Harrison Barnes. I hate the idea of him and Sabonis. Do
you trade Sabonus for Ben Simmons. I think that's a non starter, but
that would really juice up their defense, just the spacing Sabonis, Fox and
Barns. I assumed Davion Mitchell would be out and an he Ben Simmons deal,
but I would fuck it. Let's get weird. If I'm Sacramento,
don't. I don't think they should have made the Sabonis trade, but I
the fit between him and Fox is fine. Bringing Ben Simmons complicates it,
but it's no more. It's not that much more complicated than trying to They
have interest in John Collins, and the offensive fit with Sabonis and Collins is
fine, but the defensive fit would be an absolute nightmare. Where's Royce,
no, babe? All Right, So we're just gonna rule out Sacramento on
the Ben Simmons sweepstakes? And yeah, so other players on the nets roster,
where's Seth Curry going, Where's Joe Harris going? Cleveland should have interest
in that. By the way, I would love to see Denver trying to
get involved in like some level of this for Kadi. I would give up
Murray or Michael Porter Jr. And other stuff for him in a heartbeat.
Imagine Katie and Yokich like that's that's legit. I don't think they have really
the stones to to go that route. They really believe in their own players,
and I don't know what type of trade value Murray or Michael Porter Junior
has coming off there their injuries. I'm I'm just thinking, like Seth Curry,
Royce O'Neil is not going to finish the season on this team, right,
That would just make absolutely no sense. Joe Harris could be gone.
What happens with Nick Klaxton's free agency, this team is absolutely all over the
place. I'm gonna actually jettison though, because I have rambled long enough.
But to wrap up Katie Gone, my favorite trade destinations for him are Phoenix,
Toronto. I love to kind of see him in like real if we
go realistic, I would still say Phoenix Toronto can make a realistic offer.
I thought about Milwaukee if they included Chris Middleton and tried to rally third teams,
I'd like to see him there, but it just feels very unfeasible.
So I think it's Phoenix in Toronto for me. I wouldn't mind. I
would love to see him in New Orleans actually, and Denver. That would
be the unrealistic route. Kyrie, I think you're looking at Dallas there as
one that could have some primary interest, or the Lakers. Ben Simmons Minnesota.
I've been very much rebuked by Sacramento, but Minnesota Portland could be really
interesting there, and then keep an eye on what they're gonna do with the
rest of their role players. And I hope everyone enjoyed this. If this
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