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What is up? Hardwood knocks listeners? What is up? YouTube? Because

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that is the only spot in which
I can be kindest. Actually recording is

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but greetings from the future for anyone
listening or the past. There anyone listening

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to this in the future. Hopefully
not all this is dated. I also

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don't know how long I'm going to
go because I do work in the business

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of the NBA right now, and
as you can imagine, Kevin Durant's trade

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request is kind of a big deal. It's kind of a big deal.

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I think what's interesting is everything about
this. I don't even know where to

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begin. I'm stumbling and I was
just sending out a promo to Seye.

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We get more people in here,
so forgive me there. Feel free to

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get your comments, and if you're
coming in, we'll talk packages, destinations.

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Let's get to the brass tacks of
this. Kevin Durant requests a trade.

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He hasn't even started his four year, one hundred and ninety seven plus

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million dollars extension that he signed with
Brooklyn. This is like sort of this

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is unprecedented. I'm pretty sure I
don't think anyone's ever requested to trade with

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four years left in their contracts.
This is basically like a sign and trade

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situation, but it's it's also not
so I'm freaking. I'm this was sort

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of in the ether, and yet
I'm still just sort of floorm floored and

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contents as you turned your light on. Actually sometimes it's always on. I'll

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just fuck with the screen so that
you can't see it. But yes,

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my light is on. I really
should turn it off so you guys can't

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see how bleary eyed I am if
you're watching this on YouTube. But Kevin

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Durant request the trade, gives the
Nets a list of preferred destinations. He

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did request it face to faith with
Joe Si. I wonder that's per wog.

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I wonder if this was sort of
just like a I wonder if this

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was just sort of like a oh
going over shore marks his head, or

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he and his agent Rich Climbing like
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anymore, or was this out of
respect for some reason because of the method

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by which Katie got to Brooklyn didn't
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found that interesting. He gives the
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is on it, Miami's on it. I think I saw somewhere that in

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Atlanta might be on it as well. What is interesting here and we need

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to get into all this what which
also says all the Nets players on the

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roster are now available. This comes
after they gave up a first round pick

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for Royce O'Neil, who would have
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F YI, that's just so wild
to me. That's like, I feel

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like Utah leak. That is sort
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this Kevin Durant shit is going off, and we're gonna hide, try to

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hide the fact that we just gave
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we're not getting an actual player back. Let's just try and sort of shoehorn

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this into that. So that's that's
another mind melting part of this. What

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happens with Kyrie after he in now
and apparently neither he nor Katie has had

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contact with the organization. That's a
little bit like weird in the sense of

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we know Kevin Durant talked with Josi. I would think that that counts is

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like having contact with with the organization. But this is all to say and

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now we've given some stragglers enough time
to get in here, and there's barely

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anyone in here at the moment I
need to These are just happening, impromptu

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shout out to everyone who's in here
at the moment. The Kevin Durant trade

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sweep stace is going to be fascinating
because there are so many moving parts here.

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There's one here has four years left
on his deal, so if you're

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the Nets, you don't have to
take into account what he wants. You

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can send him anywhere, because I
would think teams are willing to give up

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value for a superstar who doesn't want
to be there but has no real power

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of not playing there unless he's willing
to sit out for the next four years

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and try and use that leverage.
That being said, I don't think teams

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want to deal with a messy situation, whether you're the Nets or the acquiring

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team. There's also players talk,
agent talk. You want to build up

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goodwill with players to be known as
an organization that's a player's organization. I

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don't really know if the Nets need
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I mean, they're The perception here
is just terrible, and we can get

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into if anyone wose questions that why
you even go this route. You all

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of a sudden try to grow a
backbone with the Kyrie stuff after you traded

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for James Harden. After you this
is not in any order, but you

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let Kenny Atkinson leave. You took
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when you hired your head coach.
You signed DeAndre Jordan, you played him

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over Jared Allen. You traded care
Slevert and Jared Allen and it's one of

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your future In the James Harden trade, you then move the James James Harden

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because it's Kyrie's fault. Like if
Kyrie gets vaccinated or if COVID's not a

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thing, Kyrie getting vaccinated would be
the easier thing to envision. James Harden

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might still be in Brooklyn, and
that's just like that's something while to think

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about as well. Then you say
Kyrie can't play part time or be a

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part time of your team. Only
say no, way, no, that's

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okay. So why are you just
growing a backbone now when you sort of

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know the stakes. You handed this
franchise over to your superstars for better or

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worse, like you should have stuck
with it. That's just what I can't

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get my head wrapped around at the
moment. So anyway, Kevin Durant four

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years left on his deal Miami,
Atlanta, Phoenix. I think was mentioned

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out there. You can throw destinations
in the chat that you would like,

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if there are trades that you would
like to see, if there are reports

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that I'm missing, even though I
have both my phones near me, and

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like I said, I could have
to leave at any second just because I

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am working on this to some extent
elsewhere. Now, with all that said,

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I want to know if they are
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in here. We know. Look, the Miami special is you need to

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move money. You have Tyler Hero
Nikola Yovitch who you just drafted, and

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then you can move up to three
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twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty nine. Those would be depending on your obligation

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to okay, see in twenty and
twenty five. Can you negotiate that so

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it's no longer protected or something whatever? That team interesting Durant wants to go

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there? Sense would you give a
BAM out of bye on a three team

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deal though, because the salary to
match for. Kevin Durant is just super

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tough. I would you can't trade
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Ben Simmons, because you can only
have two designated players on extensions. But

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that's we don't need to get in
the minutia. That brings up the other

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interesting element of this. Whether you're
talking about Phoenix who look DeAndre inside and

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trade natural fit right now, you'll
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be involved future picks. Kevin Durant
is thirty four, that's something we need

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to consider. And Kevin Durant since
twenty sixteen twenty seventeen has played in fewer

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regular season and playoff games than Joel
Embiad. Keep that in perspective. I

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know Katie missed an entire season,
that's also the point. And he's missed

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a bunch of time specifically over these
past three seasons. And I didn't even

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include those like Joel Embiad has played
in so many more games than him during

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that span. I think that needs
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I'm I'm just curious as to what
this trade packages ends up looking like.

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And Miami would be the first case
study, would you give up Bam?

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This young superstar is nowhere near Katie's
level. But Katie's level is is what

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is It's sixty games a season now
and how many years left do you have

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of this this version of Kevin Durant. It's an honest question. So what

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are you willing to give up for
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in and like we can look kJ
in the chat said Gary plus og plus

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picks for KD. I believe I
should really have my salary sheets up for

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this seat. I'm just like,
I'm a fucking mess right now because I

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did not see I just didn't envision
this necessarily happening. That being said,

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yes, that's the framework. But
I think if you're the Nets, you're

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gonna say, hey, we want
Scottie Barnes. And if you're not willing

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to give up Scotty Barnes, which
if I'm the Raptors already said I wouldn't

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just because of the Kevin Durant age, the injury history. Now they're gonna

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go to other teams. Maybe they
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give us Jaron Jackson Junior. Do
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and ask about Zion. Toronto is
one of my favorite landing spots for Katie

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from a basketball perspective, If I
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involved. There you have Gary and
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money that you need to sign to
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does that right, but you have
other contracts that aren't you know, a

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huge part of your core that you
can also include. And then you have

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picks like they're they have a bunch
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not really an issue. If you're
the Nets. Do you want Gary Trent

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Junior one year out from free agency
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Do you even want Og? Like
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be a free agent, he's So
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well. I don't know how you
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team if Scottie Barnes is not involved, and yeah you would, Katie's at

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forty four point one next year,
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Trent and at anenobe. Excuse me, but that is that is definitely the

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framework. I just don't think that
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off again without a third team or
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I would not I would not do
I just would not do it.

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We're getting a lot of love for
Portland in the chat. Dame Dame did

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recruit Katie. I guess he posts
him and nir Kige posted on their ig

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stories or Twitter of Kevin Durant in
a Blazer jersey next to Dame. I

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always get a kick when players do
that, because it's just like one if

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you're their teammates who are under contract, you're kind of like, oh,

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I'm gonna be traded in that deal
if we get if we get Kevin Durans,

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Like, what is Shade and Sharp
thinking just drafted by the Blazers when

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he's seeing all that? What is
even Josh Hart thinking when he's seeing all

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that? And I guess it's different. Heart wasn't there for that long.

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Shande Sharp has even player for them
yet, but still I don't think Portland

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has the the s fire power to
get involved. Shaden Sharpe helps a bunch,

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but they have They've already traded out
a first round pick and so that's

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going to make their offer significantly less
attractive to other teams, unless than nets

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are really just enthralled by the prospect
of having these really distant Portland Trailblazers first

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round picks. And so what you're
looking at is you get the money together,

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and that's Shaden Sharp plus money.
Josh Hart's probably in there. Their

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salary matching stuff is weird. They
could guarantee Eric Pltz's contracts still, I

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believe, and use that as just
salary flots them. But with their twenty

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twenty third first round pick headed to
Chicago, that is lottery protected. If

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you would do first allowable, you
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twenty nine and include a bunch of
swaps there in between. That plus Shaden

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Sharp is the basis of your deal. Does that get it done? The

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destination would be incredibly interesting, And
Noah did say, what up? Noah,

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finally you joined one of these Nurk
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It would be funny if he signed
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posted the picture of Dame and Kevin
Durant wearing the Blazer's jersey, and it

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would just be cool, like I
want a star. I mean, Phoenix

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is part of this, and it
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And if people who don't know,
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market among NBA players because of their
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as a like the climate, and
so that was like until that organization went

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off the rails, that was like
a desiral spot among NBA players and so

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but this is a big win for
Phoenix. Chris Paul wanted to trade there,

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and now Kevin Durant's willing to go
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Chris Paul. This is, look, the biggest winner of all this is

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fucking Devin Booker. You first,
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and then Kevin Durant within basically two
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Shout out to Devin Booker. For
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their package. They can definitely get
it done. Eighton base your compensation makes

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difficult. You can expand the deal
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bunch more teams. I think the
crux of it, though, is the

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eight and sign and trade. Mikhail
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then you're including if you need to
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other teams, and I think I
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durantpack, you do need to.
You might need to include more money.

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Because Micaal bridges on the books for
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for fifteen in going salary for the
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but he'll account for around fifteen millions. So no, that'll that would

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do it in itself. So it's
those two that's the framework, and then

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all the picks moving forward, and
they can offer they don't have any picks,

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like they don't have any extra picks
incoming, but none of their future

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first rounders or anybody else. So
they could go twenty three, twenty five,

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seven, twenty nine, they could. Maybe the Nets want to kick

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that can. If they're swaps in
between, perhaps it doesn't matter. You

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also have to structure it. When
the Nets are gonna have first round picks,

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they're trade with the sixers and whoever
else they're moving can make it so

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they can maybe swap in any given
year. They don't have to worry about

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their own conveyances. But like that's
the pathway for Phoenix, and I think

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Phoenix has offered to me would be
more attractive than the Miami offer. I

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want Aton's next contract less than I
want Tyler Hero's next contract, if that

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makes any sense. But given the
age of CP three, given the tenuous

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track record of just the Phoenix organization, like Kevin Durant's thirty four three years

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down the line, I could see
the Suns maybe being worse if they created

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for Kevin Durant, then the heat
would be in that scenario. So if

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I had to bet, I don't
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futures, but I would hedge against
Phoenix's for sure. So Romely Eighten says

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of the cat so as much as
Kyrie Irving is an Asian of chaos and

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that's tried to play horrible and ended
up losing their team as a results,

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I'm with you. I said this
at the top, that you don't you

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know, you don't, you don't
bend over backwards to accommodate your superstars and

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all of a sudden decide that you're
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Nets made the choice from the moment
they signed these two in twenty nineteen,

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and every decision they basically made since
then catered to them and cow towed to

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them. And that's fine. Kevin
Durant is one of the praist basketl players

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of all time. You can't all
of a sudden just expect to deviate that,

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deviate from that and not phase repercussions
like this, when Kevin Durant is

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not in Brooklyn because he wanted to
win with the Nets. He's in Brooklyn

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because he wanted to play with Kyrie
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Kevin Durant was injured. If you
were Kyrie, why would you want to

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spend a year alone with the Knicks
organization? So there will be the case

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that the Knicks dodged to Pullet there
like, Yeah, the way that's played

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out, it sure looks that way. I'm just I'm very I'm with I'm

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with Rome here. The Nets did
this to themselves. But it's it's amazing

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that Kyrie Irving is now submarined like
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had he been fully available for them
last year. I honestly don't think any

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of this is happening. I don't
know if we're talking about the Nets is

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champions, but we might be.
So there's like an alternate reality where like

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there's an alternate reality where the Brooklyn
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James James Harden and Kyrie Irving are
all are all staying there. Back to

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the the Kevin Durant sweepstakes though,
so we've talked Toronto and I think they're

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like a main team mentioned amongst NBA
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We went over them, we went
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Kevin Durant really wants to be on. And I'm throwing Toronto within myself like

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that a team. I think maybe
you trade for Kevin Durant and he's not

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thrilled about it, but you have
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still there. Perhaps he ends up
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And we talked about Portland Dame.
We at least no wance him. I

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could envision Kevin duranping okay with that. Atlanta is tougher, that was on

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his list. They just gave up
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you're now left with John Collins,
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Jalen Johnson just draft to aj Griffin. You can still trade first like they

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have their own first next year and
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you can offer maybe a twenty twenty
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to be clear, that's having given
up all that with I mean giving up

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all that for Dejante Murray and still
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It will beat out some of the
best offers or what other teams can

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give. I just don't think it's
it's enough. But if it's k de

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Trey and Dejanta Murray or the Galaxy
Brent theory here would be the Atlanta acquired

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de Gante Mariy to include him in
the Katie trade, But the value they

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give up for him just doesn't make
me think that's the case. There's also

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Kevin Herder, Bodan Madonovich is in
there, Clincoppela as well, so they

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still have the ability to make an
intriguing offer. I just really don't I

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don't see how they end up having
the best offer, Drew says. Toronto

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or Instinct contenders with Katie for sure. Drew, if you've listened to this

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podcast before, I've just I've recklessly
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as of next season. So I
am very interested to see if they get

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involved in the sweepstakes. Anyone have
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I'm gonna go through what I think
would be some of my favorite ones

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is Memphis would never do this,
but they should. Kadi Jah and I

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think you can put together one of
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involved there or Desmond Vane rather so
Zayre Williams. You have all your own

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first round picks moving forward, in
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four first round pick that's very loosely
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probably still be good by then.
You just drafted Jake Lavia. You have

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David Roddy, I mentioned Desmond Bain
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salary matching tools. There's Danny Green's
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I guess the argument against them would
be and you have a expiring and

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Steven Adams, So anchoring the salary
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But if you're not giving up Jaren
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there could be an argument of is
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You know, is Desmond Baine on
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and Michael Bridges. I think some
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He's not there yet. They're still
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though, that's someone who could really
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who's actually my friend Skittles. Everyone
say hello to Skittles, Katie to

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the Yankees, who says no,
I would say he's that type of front

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runner. But I think hitching your
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place proves that you're a glutton for
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ask for a trade to the Knicks. Could the Bulls this is from Drew.

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Could the Bulls realistically have an offer
for Lavine? Signs? The Max,

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Him and Kady salary seem close,
So the idea using Zach Lavine and

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assign and trade for KD that could
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involve a third team just because I
don't know. Zach Lavine is young enough

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to where maybe the Nets want him. But if you're getting rid of KD,

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you're you are rebuilding, and so
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I don't know where that leadsually there. The Bulls, they're hamstrung with the

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picks they can give up because they
have that twenty twenty five first going to

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San Antonio. They can go further
out twenty seven, twenty nine, swaps

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in twenty six and twenty eight and
twenty four as well, so they could

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go that route. They probably have
to do something though, where it's making

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sure that their pick conveys to it's
out to the Spurs right now and it's

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lottery protected or Top ten protective,
I believe. So maybe you get to

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Antonio to let you remove the protections
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I just don't. I think you'd
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can't. You can't do that,
even if you can come up with the

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money, which you can between Patrick
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I just don't see a pathway to
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and the Nets aren't gonna want to
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mean, you talk about just buckets, but even Levine is just a bucket

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as well. So that would surprise
me a little bit if they got involved,

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even if I think I would just
soon move super intriguing, So they

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don't have Again, they're not the
team that I would say has the worst

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offer, and by virtue of being
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other teams will will pass on this, and so perhaps that if you have

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the stomach for risk, could you
get involved? There a team that I'm

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a little disappointed no one in our
chats has mentioned just yet. So I'm

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gonna mention it myself and force it
into force it into existence. And no

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one makes a great point in the
chat. Everyone else on the NETS is

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up for grabs. Again. Hysterical, fucking hysterical that this happens after the

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trade for Royce O'Neill is announced,
and like immediately after, And so I

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applaud utah trying to sort of escape
scrutiny for whatever the hell they just did.

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Kudos kudos to them trading your best
non Gobert defender without taking a player

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back. They hit it well.
Congratulations to Utah any who. We'll get

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into some of those other players.
I think Kyrie's obviously inswering Ben Simmons as

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he stayed there. But the New
Orleans Pelicans for KD is no one is

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no one about it? Are you
giving up Zion for Kevin Durant? When

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I was had this conversation with my
good friend and colleague, Granted Hughes,

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he said no. I said yes, And ultimately he said he said he

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would give up Zion. I said
I would not, and I definitely would

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not. But they could put together
a decent offer even without Zion. They

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have all those picks, Herb Jones, Tyson Daniels, Trey Murphy, the

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third, They have some salary matching
tools depending on what Brooklyn is really trying

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to get into. But are you
gonna give up brandon Ingram? Will they

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ask for him? I think if
push comes to shove, you probably have

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to. And Brandigrom actually has a
less time on his deal than Kd's just

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younger, and you know that he
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If you're trying to build an offer
independent of him, I think you're looking

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at your salary matching tools are then
Jonas found Hunist because I don't think the

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Nets are gonna want se J McCollum, DeVante Graham. You also have Larry

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Nancy Junior, Jackson Hayes, Garrett
Temple like you can get to the money

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by step laddering. And then it's
a matter of Okay, well, what

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does does Kyra Lewis Junior have any
value as a prospect? We know Trey

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Murphy, does, we know Herb
Jones does Josie Alvarado might have to be

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a throw in just to someone with
value. Gyson Daniels was just the eighth

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pick. They have some future Milwaukee
picks. One more future Lakers pick they

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can swap with the Lakers next year, but it's not their actual pick.

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They have the twenty twenty four Lakers
pick that they can defer to twenty twenty

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five. They have all their own
first round picks moving forward, so they

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can get spicy without including Ingram,
McCollum or Zion. I don't know if

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you get out of that deal if
you don't have I'm seeing, oh,

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I'm reading Okay, Drews has called
it. I thought there was like a

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news break. I was shocked,
But I think the Pelicans could put together

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one of the one of the better, one of the better offers here.

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Could you get out of that without
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Is the is the primary question?
I think we can move on really

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quickly because I'm gonna have to wrap
up here soon that Oh wait, this

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is another report from uh woag?
Where did it go? I missed it

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all right? Well just Wode saying
that Kyrie Irving has played his last game

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for the Nets. Wow, So
where does Kyrie Irving go? He's on

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an expiring contract. Now. I
don't know which team after seeing what happens

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in Brooklyn, how it ends in
Boston, how would even ended in Cleveland?

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What? Like? Which team is
giving up a ton for him?

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I think you end up with a
really modest return. That's why Dallas they

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can't trade a first round pick twenty
five. But even if you're Dallas and

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you're looking at the matching salaries here, are you going to give up Dorian

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Phinny Smith? And I'm a serious
question, like, are you giving up

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Dorian Phinny Smith and a trade for
Kyrie? Right now? Like? Would

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you want to give up Dorman,
Phinny Smith and Maxi Kleeb and other stuff

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with Kyrie Irving entering free agency next
year. By the way, No,

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you're probably like, can we dangle
Davis Burton, Spencer, Spencer Dinwoody,

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and Spencer Dinwity. Reunion with Brooklyn
would be funny. Hopefully they're okay paying

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him in bitcoin or ethereum whatever he's
getting paid for. Now, are you

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do you even have the type of
package to where oh, it's it's it's

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the salary flotsam because they're not even
expiring contracts. When you look at Burton's

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Tim Hardaway, junior palels expiring and
then some first round picks because they don't

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have any blue chip prospects. You're
not gonna make it a jail On Brunton

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sign and trade because the the the
nets aren't that I've interested him. Karagan

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asked who's worth more, Kyrie or
Conley? Probably? I think Conley's the

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saferget, even with that huge guarantee
in his next deal. But Kyrie can

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leave next summer for your team,
and we've shown that he already would leaves.

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I'm just gonna say Conley if I'm
a team, I'd rather trade for

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Mike Conley than kept Kyrrie Irving.
At this point, Kyrie is the better

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player, but the extracurriculars, the
uncertainty ascribed to him, that's just that's

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just wild. Noah says for KD
net Sun's Ystard's seventy six or straight Involving

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eight and Harris, Tybel Durant.
If you're including Tyree's Maxie, oh,

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so you're not having Kevin Durant go
to feed the Sixers there. I did

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see some people say that the Sixers
should make a run for Kevin Durant,

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WHI would just be hysterical if he
winds up back with James Hard If you

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include Maxie and and Harris, and
I guess more future draft equity, like

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does that get you somewhere? So, but yeah, I would pick Kyrie

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over Conley at this point. If
I'm looking at teams that I think could

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talk themselves into take the chance,
there's the Lakers obviously. And if you're

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Brooklyn, look if you can get
twenty six twenty eight swaps from the Lakers

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and a twenty seven twenty nine first
round pick from them for Kyrie Irving and

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Russell Westbrook, just do it.
You're rebuilding anyway. You could play with

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Russ for a year. You could
try to broke or a buyout and let

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him sign elsewhere. Like it's a
huge contract, but it's one year left

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and your future is being submarined anyway, So the Lakers, I don't think

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the Clippers go for it. I
already mentioned Dallas. I don't have like,

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I don't have good answer beyond that. I really just I'm trying to

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think of teams that would consider or
have the gall to go after a Kyrie

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Irving, and I really just can't. I can't get there, Like builders

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are them. I think what might
be more interesting is Ben Simmons trade destinations.

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We have John Doe in the chat
saying Nick Nurse would love Ben at

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Center. It'd be really funny.
If they have the opportunity to get Kadi.

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We're like no, They're like,
fuck it, we'll go Ben Simmons.

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Here's the thing. If you're not
getting kd and we know you don't

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want Kyrie, Toronto's trade assets are
still their primary salary matching tools are Gary

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Trent Junior and og n Anobi.
Assuming you're not trading Fred van Fleet or

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Pascal Siakam. Are you willing to
give up both OG and Gary Trent Junior

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for Ben Simmons because functionally like that's
what it's going to take. He makes

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thirty five point five million dollars.
That almost lines up the salaries perfectly.

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You can't really get they're just giving
one up, like, let's use the

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more expensive one OG and a Noobi
at seventeen point four, Ken Birch at

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six point seven, so you're at
twenty four million dollars there. Then you're

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giving up I guess Precious and al
Kai Flynn and you have Spez money,

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So it would have to be like
a five for one you could get there.

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How many picks are you attaching to
that? For Toronto to do it,

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for excuse me, Brooklyn to do
it, I don't know, but

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that would be so just very much
in line with what Toronto has done in

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the path. It would be funny
if they went for Ben Simmons. I

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love Minnesota as a Ben Simmons destination. I don't know necessarily what they give

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up. It's definitely built. You
build it around picks for sure, And

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then I think you if you're the
nets of you would as Okay, we're

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not getting Towns, we're not getting
Edwards. What we want is short term

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salary more interesting. You don't like
if you want a Jared Vanderbilt, fine,

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just to sort of throwing you targeted
around Malik Beasley short term deal only

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has two years left with the player
option on that final season, Patrick Beverley,

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his contract is expiring. Like I
said, Jared Vanderbilt is cheap and

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short term. You could even just
go the d low route if the Minnesota

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Termins were willing to do that.
The salaries line up perfectly. Bring him

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back just for the year, or
maybe you're trying to rerout him elsewhere.

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Get Minnesota's picks. Jared Vanderbilt is
there, and I think you give up

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Jade McDaniels and that deal for sure. I think Ben Simmons is gettable for

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Minnesota if they're if they're willing to
pay, so that would be a destination

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for Ben Simmons to watch. Any
other destinations for Ben Simmons that anyone hasn't

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is is really interested in. I
don't see, like you know, he's

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young enough to where I guess the
team could really roll the dice on him.

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But after he didn't play last season? Well I could. I definitely

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could see Toronto, just sort of
trying to roll to roll that dice on

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that. Aside from Minnesota, I'm
just wondering, like, Okay, well,

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what would his market really be?
You know, Atlanta's probably out of

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the running. You could do a
John Collins thing around Ben Simmons and lead

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really into defense with Dejana and Simmons, but Capella Simmons Dejana, that'spacing would

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be would be pretty wonky? Would
Charlotte consider it? Like you giving up?

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You have some intrigue, Like I
don't even know what James book Night's

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value is, Kai book Kai Jones. Are you willing to give up a

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Mark Williams who you just drafted?
But you have Kelly brid junior, Terry

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Rozier's money, Gordon Hayward's money,
PJ. Washington entering the final year of

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his contracts, he's succession eligible.
Can you build something there to get Ben

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Simmons, pair him with Lamello and
presumably the recently arrested on domestic violence charges

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Miles Bridges. So could they be
a team? Maybe? I thought about

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Dallas for Ben Simmons as well,
just because I could see, I guess

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he would cost more than Kyrie at
this point, so maybe not, But

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that might make a little bit more
sense for Dallas than Kyrie because Simons is

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under contract. But what do you
need to attach to the salary anchors?

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Like, and you have Dinwoody Burton's
and Tim Hardaway Junior's contracts, Dwight Powell's

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expiring deal, even ques your woulds
you can get there, but like,

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what are the blue chip assets you're
including. I'm not giving up Dorrian Finnie

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Smith for Ben Simmons. That's just
the state of affairs right now. That's

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just really where I'm at. Fatt
and Bouche would probably be brought back to

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be filler. John Doe says,
I'm guessing yeah, it could certainly do

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as sign and trade with one of
their players who wouldn't be screwed up by

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the baseher compensation run. So that's
a good point with with Toronto. You

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know you are right, John Dough, I just wasn't thinking in terms of

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sign sign and trs. Linked says
Philly offered Maxie Matist to Bias three first

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for Katie thoughts. My first thought
is I don't think they can actually offer

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three first round picks, but I
will double check that because they owe their

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twenty twenty three first to Brooklyn now
and they're twenty twenty five first to Okay,

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see they can offer and they're twenty
twenty seven first to Brooklyn, so

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you can offer a twenty twenty nine
first. That's the only first allowable first

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you can trade right now. You
could dangle pick swaps, but that would

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be the issue. Where are you
getting those extra first round picks from?

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Which is why I would think they're
really out of the Kevin Durant running here.

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Tyres maxie By himself could get into
some interesting conversations though, like just

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having that flute ship prospect two years
left on his his rookie scale, I

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might be out of Ben Simmons destinations
already. I don't think Miami has the

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goal and go after him. I
thought about Miami's a Kyrie destination just because

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the opportunity cost might be low.
He doesn't really fit their their culture there

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though, just looking at other teams, like if you're missing, you know,

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Portland could still have interest in Ben
Simmons. I think even after getting

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Jeremy Grant, Dame Jeremy Grant and
Ben Simmons as your bass and like if

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you're willing to include Shaden sharp and
then it's just a matter of matching salary

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from there, because again, I
don't know how much you're getting for Ben

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Simmons at this point. I don't
hate it. I don't hate it.

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I might even love it. Does
anyone love the idea of Jeremy Grant,

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Ben Simmons and Damian Lillard in Portland? You obviously prefer Kevin Durant if you're

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them. How about Sacramento for Ben
Simmons. That would be interesting. They

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still have Harrison Barnes. I hate
the idea of him and Sabonis. Do

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you trade Sabonus for Ben Simmons.
I think that's a non starter, but

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that would really juice up their defense, just the spacing Sabonis, Fox and

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Barns. I assumed Davion Mitchell would
be out and an he Ben Simmons deal,

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but I would fuck it. Let's
get weird. If I'm Sacramento,

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don't. I don't think they should
have made the Sabonis trade, but I

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the fit between him and Fox is
fine. Bringing Ben Simmons complicates it,

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but it's no more. It's not
that much more complicated than trying to They

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have interest in John Collins, and
the offensive fit with Sabonis and Collins is

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fine, but the defensive fit would
be an absolute nightmare. Where's Royce,

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no, babe? All Right,
So we're just gonna rule out Sacramento on

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the Ben Simmons sweepstakes? And yeah, so other players on the nets roster,

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where's Seth Curry going, Where's Joe
Harris going? Cleveland should have interest

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in that. By the way,
I would love to see Denver trying to

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get involved in like some level of
this for Kadi. I would give up

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Murray or Michael Porter Jr. And
other stuff for him in a heartbeat.

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Imagine Katie and Yokich like that's that's
legit. I don't think they have really

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the stones to to go that route. They really believe in their own players,

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and I don't know what type of
trade value Murray or Michael Porter Junior

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has coming off there their injuries.
I'm I'm just thinking, like Seth Curry,

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Royce O'Neil is not going to finish
the season on this team, right,

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That would just make absolutely no sense. Joe Harris could be gone.

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What happens with Nick Klaxton's free agency, this team is absolutely all over the

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place. I'm gonna actually jettison though, because I have rambled long enough.

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But to wrap up Katie Gone,
my favorite trade destinations for him are Phoenix,

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Toronto. I love to kind of
see him in like real if we

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go realistic, I would still say
Phoenix Toronto can make a realistic offer.

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I thought about Milwaukee if they included
Chris Middleton and tried to rally third teams,

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I'd like to see him there,
but it just feels very unfeasible.

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So I think it's Phoenix in Toronto
for me. I wouldn't mind. I

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would love to see him in New
Orleans actually, and Denver. That would

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be the unrealistic route. Kyrie,
I think you're looking at Dallas there as

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one that could have some primary interest, or the Lakers. Ben Simmons Minnesota.

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I've been very much rebuked by Sacramento, but Minnesota Portland could be really

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interesting there, and then keep an
eye on what they're gonna do with the

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rest of their role players. And
I hope everyone enjoyed this. If this

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is your first time tuning in,
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will talk to everybody next time.
Until then, and as always, we

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leave you all with a shout out. If you knew around here, brace

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yourself. It's a shout out to
the one, the only, the Western

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Conference finalist, one of the most
valuable players on the Western Conference finalist,

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Dallas Mavericks, Frank Neil Gal