1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:06,599 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best in paranormal talk radio 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:12,000 in the UK and around the world. Welcome to the Afterlife Foules, where 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:18,120 we investigate near death experiences, share death experiences and how they affect you online 4 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,039 podcasts that are just stories. We will give you a heads up on what 5 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,480 to look for in our conversation, and then after the interviews stick around. 6 00:00:28,039 --> 00:00:32,560 We'll help you make sense of those accounts so that you can incorporate the insights 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,520 into your life. I think you'll find this video will help you answer some 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,359 of the most profound questions so that you can live life in the physical filled 9 00:00:43,799 --> 00:01:02,280 with more peace and joy. I was doing research on Edgar Casey and found 10 00:01:02,399 --> 00:01:07,599 Stephen A. Schwartz, a scholar who had dedicated a considerable amount of his 11 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:14,719 life researching and thinking about how Edgar Casey described the nature of consciousness. I 12 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:21,200 watched his presentation at the Vale Symposium and was blown away with how Edgar Casey, 13 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,560 near death and share death experiencers were talking about the same thing. Each 14 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:34,480 used a slightly different vocabulary, but their conclusions are identical. I just had 15 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,599 to have him on the Afterlife Files for you. Our interview begins with two 16 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:45,159 remarkable quotes, one by mac Plunk and the other by Albert Einstein. They 17 00:01:45,159 --> 00:01:51,680 will make you think and make you smile. Stephen is an experimentalist. I 18 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,560 appreciate that he didn't spend time trying to figure out if access to non local 19 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,239 consciousness was real. He focused instead and how it worked and how to make 20 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:08,520 it more effective individually. And then Stephen spends the last segment of the interview 21 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:14,280 on how we can change the direction of our culture to be more compassionate, 22 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:21,319 life affirming and focused on fostering the well being of everyone because of the nature 23 00:02:21,319 --> 00:02:27,120 of consciousness. In the middle of the interview, Stephen talks about how religion 24 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:34,800 re arose because of the nature of consciousness. It's a fascinating insight. Sidebar, 25 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,479 This is a heads up. Stephen and I try to conduct this interview 26 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:44,439 three times. Each time the internet connection was shaky, and it's slightly so 27 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:47,840 on this one too, but don't let that distract you. The audio track 28 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,879 is good and what he has to say is so important that you may want 29 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:58,319 to watch or listen to this interview a couple of times. I'm on my 30 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:05,000 sixth there's that much inference that can be teased out of his insights. Here 31 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:17,080 is a terrific interview with Stephen A. Schwartz. Well, Hi, Stephen, 32 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:23,159 really great to have you here on the Afterlife Files. My pleasure. 33 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:30,599 You know you are famous for saying everything is a manifestation of consciousness. So 34 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:38,800 how did you get from a young man with ordinary values to this kind of 35 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:47,599 enlightened observation of the world. Tell us your story. Well, I read 36 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:53,680 Max Plunk's interview in nineteen thirty one and the published in the Observer newspaper. 37 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,439 Plunk, as you know, the father quantum mechanic. Ye didn't give a 38 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:05,560 lot of interviews, so they were very glad to get one from him. 39 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:11,919 And a reporter that the Observer editor had sent to the to do the interview 40 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:17,120 said, Plunk, you know, you and Einstein are the most famous scientists 41 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:25,120 in the world. What have you learned? And I think he probably expected 42 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:31,439 to get an answer about molecules and atoms and you know whatever, but instead 43 00:04:31,519 --> 00:04:38,560 what he got was Plunk said, what I have learned is that consciousness is 44 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:44,720 causal and fundamental. You cannot get behind consciousness. This is a quote. 45 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:53,040 Actually consciousness is causal and fundamental. Space, time, arises from consciousness, 46 00:04:53,639 --> 00:05:00,079 not consciousness from space time, which was the materialist physiological I did that all 47 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:08,720 consciousness and physiologically based in the brain. He said, consciousness arises a spacetime 48 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:15,079 arises from consciousness, not consciousness from space time. And I read this when 49 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:20,800 I was at university in University of Virginia and had stuck with me and and 50 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:26,560 Einstein had a similar interview in which they ask him, you know, what 51 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,480 do you understand about reality? And he says, it's an optical delusion. 52 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:41,519 Delusion. I love that part two, And so then I was there was 53 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:46,639 a strange series of synchronicities. I was introduced to the Edgar casting material, 54 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:58,040 and I decided after I had looked at it, because the first exposure I 55 00:05:58,079 --> 00:06:01,040 had to it, I end up at random, just literally. I was 56 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:08,639 taken to the aar and the organization that grew up around him, and I 57 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,879 pulled off the shelf one of the readings. I didn't even know what a 58 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:17,680 reading was. I didn't know anything about any of this, and I read 59 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:23,519 this reading and it was given in nineteen thirty six, Okay for a woman, 60 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:28,120 and he said she had been a member of the esteem community at Kurbet 61 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:35,279 Comran and a teacher of astrology. And I've got to tell you, Scott, 62 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:45,720 it is possible for your hair to stand on end, because I had 63 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:53,279 just recently come out of the Service and the Army. I'd been drafted when 64 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:58,439 I was working for National Geographic. And the last thing I had done for 65 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,360 National Geographic before I went into the Service was research on the Dinesse Scrolls for 66 00:07:04,439 --> 00:07:10,120 an article that we were going to do. Oh sure, And I knew 67 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,800 that in nineteen thirty six, not a single person on earth knew that the 68 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:20,959 Asscene community was at Kurbet Comeran, or that women were involved with the community, 69 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:27,639 or that they had any particular interest in astrology. But all of that 70 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:33,079 is true. In nineteen forty seventy eleven years after Casey had given this reading, 71 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:39,800 a young Bedouin tribes boy had been checking rocks into a cave that he 72 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:45,079 saw and he heard something go clunk, and he went down into the cave 73 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,959 to see what it was and discovered what we know as the didc scrolls. 74 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:56,879 And we know from the scrolls of the obsession they had with astrology. And 75 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:01,800 we know that in fact, the but Comrun, which was at that time, 76 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,800 thought to be nothing more than a minor outpost of the Emperor of Especian 77 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,519 was in fact in the scene community. Nobody knew that, and excavation revealed 78 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,759 that there were female skeletons, so women had been a part of it. 79 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:24,959 Most of what anybody knew about the scenes was Josephists. An ancient historian had 80 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:31,679 said they were a scapetic order of monks, of Jewish monks, so you 81 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:37,360 didn't mention anything about women, so nobody knew who there were women. And 82 00:08:37,639 --> 00:08:41,240 while I realized this, I read this stand which I had just randomly, 83 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,879 serendipitously pulled off the shelf. How could a man possibly know something eleven years 84 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:54,679 before it was discovered and anybody knew it? And that set me in motion 85 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:00,519 to what has become the interest of my life, and that is study of 86 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:07,000 the nature of consciousness. I am an experimentalist. That's an important point because 87 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:16,080 I'm not a philosopher. I'm not a theoretician. I don't speculate, I'm 88 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:24,480 not a theologian in that sense. I care about experimental, objectively verifiable data 89 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:28,960 and what that has taught me over the last sixty years since I started on 90 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:35,559 this was that consciousness is as trumps as a trump, as Plunk said, 91 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:45,279 causal and fundamental. What we're dealing with in reality is that information construct in 92 00:09:45,399 --> 00:09:52,840 space time, created by intention consciousness, and that there is continuity of consciousness, 93 00:09:52,919 --> 00:10:01,440 that is, you existed prior to incarnation, and not you as a 94 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:07,440 personality, but you as the eternal self what religion calls the soul, will 95 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:16,720 continue and that you will episodically manifest another personality, and that personality will come 96 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:26,200 in informed by informational structure, which will even impact your genetics in a subsequent 97 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:33,279 life. And my experimental research because as they say, I'm an experimentalist. 98 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,759 I get to that not because I think it's lovely or it's religious, or 99 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:43,200 it's spiritual or any of that, but because that's what the evidence shows us. 100 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,919 The problem with materialism is that they don't like the evidence, so they 101 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:58,360 don't look at it. But the fact is that consciousness does not entirely repose 102 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:05,759 in the brain. It is not entirely physiologically based. And you're also talking 103 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:13,120 about information. You called it. It is constructed, it's in a construct. 104 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,600 Can you talk a little more about that? Well, the two great 105 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:28,480 mystery questions to me are what is information and well is consciousness? And I 106 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:31,720 don't know the answer to either one of those questions, and nobody else does 107 00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:35,159 either, because I know most of the people that do this kind of research, 108 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,200 and I don't know anybody that knows the answer to those two questions. 109 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:46,279 What I can say is that it is clear if you look at the evidence 110 00:11:46,279 --> 00:11:54,759 again, this is all evidence based. That is the fundamental in the construct 111 00:11:54,799 --> 00:12:09,120 of what we call reality is information that when you when you have physically died, 112 00:12:09,759 --> 00:12:15,639 but your consciousness continues. It's not in a place that is It's not 113 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,879 a question of where is it, because where is a is a space time 114 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:28,320 word. But it does continue to exist. And we know from the reincarnational 115 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:37,480 work where people incarnate from an earlier life with earth marks or scar tissue or 116 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:46,519 wound tissue, you know, a wound healing from an earlier life event. 117 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:54,720 So what comes across between those incarnations it's not something physical, and it's not 118 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:03,639 something that was in space time. It was information and that this information shapes 119 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:13,559 your choice of parents, your choice of race, your choice soci economic background, 120 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:24,879 your choice of geographical location, and it also you bring across remembered patterns 121 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:35,320 of behavior an activity that come from earlier times and that we incarnate in order 122 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:43,440 to deal with informational patterns which are created through the choice as we make. 123 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,120 And so once you begin to see that, then you have a very different 124 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:58,519 view of the world because you realize that the most important thing you can do 125 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:09,240 in your life is to foster wellbeing at every level, from the smallest bacteria 126 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:16,120 to human beings. That the fostering of well being creates the greatest harmony and 127 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:22,159 the greatest success. It's the most efficient, the most productive, and it's 128 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:28,519 by far the cheapest choice you can make. And so my life has been 129 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:37,039 dedicated first to experimentation and then to exploring how individuals and small groups can change 130 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,639 the course of history to foster compassionate life, affirming wellbeing. So you mentioned 131 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:54,559 that this information architecture that carries on between our different lives was very intentional. 132 00:14:54,320 --> 00:15:01,200 That we chose this life, We chose how we're going to come in and 133 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,480 who our parents are. I think I think that's a profound way to look 134 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:13,759 at it, that this architecture is created by our intentioned consciousness. Yes, 135 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:20,879 we know experimentally, for instance, that consciousness alone can cause an effect in 136 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:26,720 physical reality I mean to give you an example of the kind of experiments I'm 137 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:31,879 talking about. For instance, an experiment that I did. I had people 138 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:39,320 do healing therapeutic contention, okay, and while they did it, I put 139 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:45,960 on the palms of their hands little vials, little hermetically sealed vials, glass 140 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,720 vials, which contain water that I literally was so pure it would have been 141 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,720 dangerous to drink it. I didn't know there was such a thing. Okay, 142 00:15:56,759 --> 00:16:00,200 Well, it was made out of the gases. That literally I had 143 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:06,919 the gases combined to make the water, and it was put in these little 144 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:15,039 vials, and using infrared spectra photometry, we measured the vials five minute vial, 145 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,120 ten minute vial, fifteen minute mile. Because at the time that I 146 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:22,799 did the experiment, everybody thought that the longer you did the healing intention, 147 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:30,399 the bigger the effect. That turns out not to be true, But in 148 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:38,039 any case, I measured using infrared spectra photometry, I measured the difference between 149 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:44,080 the molecular structure of the water that was exposed to the healing while they were 150 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:49,360 doing the healing and the control vials, which were in another building in another 151 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:55,120 place, which had not been exposed to healing, and what we saw was 152 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,600 to a very highly significant degree, the water that was exposed to healing, 153 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:07,240 and it had to do with the hydrogen oxygen bonding relationship, was molectively different 154 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:14,559 than the water that was the control vial. Another kind of experiment that makes 155 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:22,279 this point, Dean Maiden, researcher that no edches, did two experiments, 156 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:27,279 one involving chocolate, where he took out the bar chocolate and he broke it 157 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:36,440 in two and he had Buddhist monks focused their intention on the half of the 158 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,000 chocolate and the other half of the chocolate was kept in another place and didn't 159 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:48,039 get any attention. And he had people eat the chocolate and then report how 160 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:52,079 happy they were. And the people who ate the chocolate, now, the 161 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:57,359 people who had to control chocolate, they ate it too, But the people 162 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:03,599 who got the treated chocol clip, we're happier than the people who got the 163 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:10,599 control chocolate. And he did the same thing with tea, got a bunch 164 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,400 of tea, and he had the Buddhist monks focused the healing on it or 165 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,799 intention on it, and had people bring the tea. And those people that 166 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,920 had they treated tea had a different reaction to people who had to control tea. 167 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,319 And then I got interested in another experiment that I did. I wondered 168 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:41,759 why water and wine are so involved with religions around the world. I wondered 169 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:48,319 that too, since it was Jesus's first miracle where, yes, why why 170 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:52,319 did he choose wine for the first miracle? Exactly why water? Why wine? 171 00:18:52,920 --> 00:19:00,599 H Well, the answer is I've got a bunch of toads of the 172 00:19:00,599 --> 00:19:08,119 water experiment that how holy water gets created is the act of intention of the 173 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:15,880 priest, if he is sufficiently conscious to know what he's doing and just wasting 174 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:23,759 his time, you know, just going through a protocol. That what makes 175 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:29,400 holy water is the same thing that when the healers did the healing of people 176 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,200 and they had the little vials of water on their hand, it changed the 177 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,720 molecular structure of the water, and the holy water is an example of how 178 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:45,680 a priest holding intention to consciousness changes the structure of the water. Now, 179 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:52,960 I also wondered about why why wine. The answer I think is I went 180 00:19:52,000 --> 00:20:00,160 out and I got the kind of wine you would the quality of wine a 181 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:07,079 cabernet that you would take, for instance, to a friend's dinner party. 182 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,880 Okay, you know, twenty dollars a bottle of wine, and I went 183 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,680 to I went to seven friends of mine over a period of several years, 184 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,279 and I said to them, I didn't tell them anything about the background. 185 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:32,880 I said to them, I am about to buy a big quantity of wine, 186 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,960 and you know it's expensive, and I want to make sure I'm doing 187 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:45,400 the best. Would you hold a taste testing for me and have invited at 188 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,279 least seven people to come in and taste the wines. I'm going to give 189 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:53,440 you the two candidates that I'm that I've gotten down to. I've looked at 190 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,680 the whole bunch of wines, and I've gotten down to two kendidates. Now 191 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:03,960 the truth is a word of that was true. In fact, I had 192 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,480 bought one bottle of wine and I split it into two parts. You know, 193 00:21:08,839 --> 00:21:12,759 the wine is seven hundred and fifty million leads, and I split it 194 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:18,559 into two bottles of three hundred seventy five million leads. And I took one 195 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:25,240 of the bottles to a group of meditators and I said, I'm going to 196 00:21:25,319 --> 00:21:30,599 put this wine on a chair in front of your circle, and I want 197 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:40,599 you to focus healing intention on this wine. I'm with you okay, and 198 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:47,000 so I randomly assigned using a random number generator. I had assigned which would 199 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,440 be the treated wine, which would be the control wine. So I didn't 200 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:57,759 choose that. I was randomly selected. I had to hold that for twenty 201 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:04,599 minutes to focus healing intention on this wine. And then I took the two 202 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:11,839 bottles, the two three hundred seventy five million leader bottles I had, and 203 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,920 I took them over to the taste testing party. I was not physically there. 204 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,000 I left, and I gave it. Let's say it was you, 205 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,920 and I would say, well, Scott, here are my two candidates, 206 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:29,240 and I've decanted them into two different bottles so that you can't see the labels 207 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,480 so that nobody has any bias that you know, there's not going to be 208 00:22:33,599 --> 00:22:36,440 oh, well, I know that wine. That's the one, that kind 209 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,880 of thing. So just two unlabeled bottles. Yeah, and I and here 210 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,960 are seven glasses exactly the same, so that the glasses don't affect anything. 211 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,119 And would you please decant the wine into these glasses, two glasses per person, 212 00:22:53,920 --> 00:23:00,200 and have seven people pick which is the better wine. And I'm going 213 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,839 to make my purchase on that basis. And I didn't tell you. I 214 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,440 was doing this with six other people who were having the same kind of testing 215 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:15,000 thing. And so you invited seven of your friends in and you said to 216 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:19,079 them, Okay, I've got a friend who's wants to make this big wine 217 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,599 buy and he's gotten it down to two candidates, and he asked us to 218 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,400 test it. And so I've laid it out in The glasses are all the 219 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:33,440 same so that there's no difference, and I've decanted, you know, a 220 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:38,759 portion into each glass, same portion. So would you taste them for me 221 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:45,359 and tell me which you think is the best wine? And in all but 222 00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:56,839 one case they picked the treated wine. Something had changed in the structure of 223 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:02,079 the wine, or maybe just at the informational level, not in the physical 224 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:11,640 level, that made that wine tastier, just as Dean Raden's experiment with the 225 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,880 chocolate and the tea, where he split the chocolate bar or he split the 226 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:22,319 tea into two two groups too loose tea, and the people had a more 227 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:29,000 positive reaction to one than the other, and it was always the treated one. 228 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:34,599 And so the reason that water and wine are involved in religious ceremonies, 229 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:41,880 I think is that water, when you focus intention on it changes and it 230 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,079 causes a change in the way you react to it. That's what makes it 231 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:56,200 the Holy water wine in communion, same thing I mean, and that's you 232 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:02,480 know, they say the wine is transformed from from wine into Jesus's blood, 233 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:07,119 as it were, metaphorically or I don't know, some people believe literally, 234 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,799 although that's kind of weird. But in any case, the point being, 235 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:18,319 I think is that if you look at the world's religions, what you discover 236 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,759 is that they all begin because of one person who has a non local consciousness 237 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:30,680 experience. You know, Jesus is baptized by John and he goes into the 238 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:40,839 desert and meditates and he awakens. Buddha goes up to an ashram to a 239 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:47,640 teacher who teaches him to meditate, and he awakens. Sits under a tree. 240 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,039 Here we go. Yeah, Muhammed goes into the sacred cave of Eira, 241 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:59,799 he meditates, and he has an experience and he awakens. And so 242 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,519 if you look at religions, I mean, what I was interested in is 243 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:11,799 why why does religion exist? Good question? Yes, why, I mean, 244 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:18,640 why why should religion exist at all? And the answer, I think 245 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:25,920 is that from the beginning back to Neanderthals, and we know this because of 246 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:34,920 excavation of Neanderthal sites. There has been a understanding that there was a dimension, 247 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,799 not a dimension. That's because that's a space word. There is a 248 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:48,880 domain of consciousness independent of the physical world. Yes, okay, uh huh, 249 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,039 I'm with you on that. And all these religions begin because one person 250 00:26:53,240 --> 00:27:00,839 becomes the prophet, has a non local consciousness experience, and experience of this 251 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:08,440 domain tells other people about it, and people listen to him, and they 252 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:17,079 write it down, sometimes years or even centuries later, and that becomes the 253 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:26,240 scripture for that religion. So when you strip away all of the dogmas that 254 00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:33,759 are culturally appropriate, and you look at religion not as a not as religion 255 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:40,519 in the sense that it normally that normally is meant, but instead as a 256 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,920 fundamental recognition that there is an aspect of consciousness that is outside of space time. 257 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:56,839 So then you look at how religion is practiced. Think about this for 258 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,559 a minute, all right, I can't wait to hear this. All right. 259 00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:07,519 You start with there's the sacred place, sure, the tree, the 260 00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:12,039 case, a synagogue, it's a temple, it's an Etruscan sacred grove, 261 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:22,519 whatever. Those are all cultural affects, right, right, But the commonality 262 00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:27,880 is that there's always a sacred place. Now why is that? Well, 263 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,240 we know the answer to that, all right, lay it at me, 264 00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:41,000 and the answer is we know in remote viewing research that it is easier to 265 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:48,559 see a cathedral than it is a warehouse of the same size. Now, 266 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,279 why is that? Remote viewing is the ability to describe person, places, 267 00:28:53,319 --> 00:29:02,119 events, objects from which you cannot know because you are temporarily or racially distant 268 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:07,240 from them. That is the picture I'm going to ask you to describe hasn't 269 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:12,640 been selected yet. And in any case, I'm in one city and you're 270 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:18,319 in another city, or you're in another wherever across the targets in a third 271 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:33,799 so yeah, whatever. So acts of intentioned observation informationally enrich the information architecture 272 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:42,599 physically represented by the cathedral, whereas nobody pays any attention to warehouses. And 273 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,920 so when we do research in remote viewing, it is much more likely that 274 00:29:48,000 --> 00:30:00,519 you will accurately describe the cathedral than the warehouse. Yeah. So the people 275 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:06,839 have spent so much time in altered states of consciousness in that place exactly, 276 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:15,720 exactly, and that informationally enriches the information structure of which the cathedral is the 277 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:21,960 physical manifestation. Somebody thought of it, they designed it, people built it. 278 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,519 For hundreds of years, people have been going in and in an altered 279 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:33,000 state of consciousness. Okay. Now then we look at the religious service. 280 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:41,960 Okay, so we know again experimentally, we know that things which are the 281 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:49,079 word is numinous. The things which are more numinous are easier to see in 282 00:30:49,160 --> 00:31:00,319 remote viewing, non local perception than things which are not numinous, meaning extra 283 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:06,640 rich in information. Yes, that is precisely what it means. Okay, 284 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:15,880 particularly when there is a heightened emotional state associated with it. Okay, Okay, 285 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:21,000 Now let's look at the religious services all over the world. Well, 286 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:27,240 when I started telling you about how religions began that begin with one person, 287 00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:34,039 you will probably have noticed that in every single case, the first thing that 288 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:41,759 this person does is begin to meditate. Jesus goes into the desert and meditates 289 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:48,519 and awakens. Buddha goes to the ostrom has taught meditation and awakens. Muhammad 290 00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:53,200 goes into the cave, has an experience, begins to meditate and is awakened. 291 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,880 And you can go on and on. I mean, I'm talking here 292 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,920 about long history oracle religions, not minor cults and the usual, you know. 293 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,799 Okay, So now we have the sacred space, which is created by 294 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:17,119 the acts of intentioned observation. You go to the service at a fixed time 295 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,640 that has been pre arranged, and you are drawn together and you begin by 296 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:30,640 making a statement of common belief. If you're a Christian, it's the Nicean 297 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,440 creed for instance. Yea, Now what does that do? That begins to 298 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:47,519 create linkage you look at now researched by a neurophysiologist named Andrew Newburgh who created 299 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:54,240 something called neuro theology, which is the study of religions from a neuroscience perspective, 300 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:02,920 And what he discovered was that when people chant, drum dance, sing 301 00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:09,359 together, their brains all in train. That makes a lot of sense to 302 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,960 the shamanistic services that I've been to. They all start that way. You 303 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,920 know. There's of course there's drumming, chanting, and it goes on freaking 304 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,039 forever, but you better be in trained by the time that's done. So 305 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:30,880 what happens is you go to the sacred space, which has been created by 306 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:40,119 intentioned observation. You make the statement of affirmation, I'm joining this group because 307 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:46,039 we all commonly believe the same thing. Then there is a period of dancing, 308 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:53,319 chanting, singing, whatever, which causes brain in training. Then there 309 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:59,680 is a period forget about the sermons. That's all intellectual stuff all that. 310 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:07,559 Then there is a period during which some, not all, and not always 311 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:16,599 of the individuals can have a non local consciousness experience speaking in tongues, prophesying, 312 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:23,599 healing whatever. Oh that's what okay, I see where you're going right. 313 00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:32,760 Then you have more singing, dancing, whatever. The link this together. 314 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:44,599 You hold people in healing intention, You pray for them. What is 315 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:54,239 prayer? It's quieting yourself and focusing intention. And you agree to meet at 316 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,920 another time in that same place and you do that again and again and again 317 00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:07,320 throughout your life. And what that does is it reinforces it again and again. 318 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:13,800 We now have research which shows if you want to change the way your 319 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:23,599 behavior works, it's not willpower. It's creating repetitive patterns. That's interesting. 320 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,679 You know, I was a trainer at the Monroe Institute for thirty five years 321 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:36,719 and Monroe, yeah, great guy, And you know we have something like 322 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,719 that where you know there's a pattern to what it is that we do, 323 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:50,199 and very specific vibration patterns that we're in and we and we do exercises in 324 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:55,360 a certain way, and over that thirty five years, you can feel the 325 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,880 difference when you walk on campus if you're at all sentive. Yes, yes, 326 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:07,159 I helped Bob design that in his or very early when I first met 327 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,880 him. I went to several of his literally when they were still in sleeping 328 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:21,880 bags, right before they built every case. A very nice guy anyway. 329 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,440 Exactly, you notice when you go on to the campus, because people have 330 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:31,760 been doing these repetitive patterns again and again and again and again and again, 331 00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:40,360 that there is a consciousness which you associate with the place very much. So 332 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:51,320 now let's keep going. If you look at scriptures literally the shape of the 333 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:59,320 letters, or real words versus fake words, a series of experiments have been 334 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:06,519 done in which people were asked to Gary Schwartz, for instance, did an 335 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:14,360 initial one in which he had real Hebrew words and fake Hebrew words. Okay, 336 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,159 that is, they were written in Hebrew, but they some of them 337 00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:23,159 were real words and some of them were not. And some of them were 338 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:29,880 very old words and some of them were young words. New words okay, 339 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:37,599 And he asked people to describe just what these words were about. And what 340 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:42,800 he found was the older the word, the more accurate, the more the 341 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:49,960 old words were better than the young words of the new words, and the 342 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:59,000 real words were more strongly responded to than the fake words. And this experiment 343 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:07,159 has been replicated in Chinese in several languages and always comes out the same way. 344 00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:16,320 The real words are more impactful than the fake words. And if they 345 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:22,920 make letters which look like the language that they're written, these are obscure languages 346 00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:34,320 as opposed to real letters, literally the shape of the letter. Real letters 347 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,639 get a bigger response than fake letters. So if you look at religion, 348 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:50,199 what you see is that it is a construct to make people awaken to the 349 00:38:50,280 --> 00:39:00,400 idea that they are more than animated meat. Animated meat, lovely right. 350 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:06,199 And it doesn't matter the religions are different. One god, several gods, 351 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:14,760 male gods, female gods, whatever the cultural and dogma issues, those are 352 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:20,400 different. That's the way people normally talk about religion. We talk about oh, 353 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,360 Christian scholars or Hebrew scholars or Hindu scholars. But when you get down 354 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:34,000 to what actually is going on, what you see is these same patterns develop 355 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:43,159 through empirical observation over centuries, and they always are the same ones. It's 356 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:47,280 all the same whether you're a Hindu or a Jew, or a Christian, 357 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,280 or a Buddhist, or a scientologist or whatever. Well I don't know about 358 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:59,280 scientology. About it anyway, these ancient religions, because they have been repeated 359 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,719 again and again and again across centuries, these same patterns, just as you 360 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,320 were developing at Bob Monroe's institute. Well, I'm thinking of what what Ken 361 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,519 Ring did, um professor at the University of Connecticut, who Yeah, he 362 00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:24,320 studied near death experiences and and he talks about how the vibration of the experiences 363 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,280 there in the printed word. So as you as you read about a near 364 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:36,880 death experience, you are actually entering into the vibration of that experience, and 365 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,079 you get it, you get some of it. Not a vibration. The 366 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:44,719 only thing I would correct is it's not a vibration. What would you have 367 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,280 nothing to do? Well, because vibration is a space time thing. In 368 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,280 order for something to vibrate, it has to be in space time. Fair 369 00:40:52,400 --> 00:41:00,400 enough, This is you join in informational linkage information a linkage, all right, 370 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,599 you read it, you're reading a near death experience. And as you 371 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:13,119 read it and you focus on it, you are linking with the person who 372 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,840 had the experience. You are linking not with them personally, I mean not 373 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:25,000 physically, but in the in the non local domain, Yes, that experience, 374 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:35,519 that informational experience you are doing. It's like doing a Google search informational 375 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:44,400 linkage. I like that a lot. It's um and it's been verified for 376 00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:50,719 those of us who've had the experience. Sometimes you can read about a near 377 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,440 death experience or a shared death experience in there it's like all of the juice 378 00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:00,400 has been edited out of it, and it's like that there's just nothing left 379 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,840 to it. And others you read it and you go, that's really close 380 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,559 to what what happened to that person, And yeah, there's a there's a 381 00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:20,039 visceral sense to that linkage to where they were, what they experienced, yes, 382 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,320 and how they felt about it. It doesn't in the non local domain. 383 00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:36,000 Space and time are informational enrichers, but they are not limitters. I 384 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:39,639 like that. So you can read about a near death experience that happened one 385 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:49,840 hundred years ago. The oldest near death experiences in Plato, you can read 386 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,679 about it and you go, oh my goodness, that's an authentic description. 387 00:42:53,960 --> 00:43:00,320 You just know it. You just know it. Why because as you focus 388 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:14,880 your intention, you link informationally because of your intention with the experience. Yeah, 389 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:27,800 because everything what Edgar Casey called the Hall of Records is actually the totality 390 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:37,239 of all the informational architectures created through intention. It's all there. When I 391 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:43,960 have remote viewers, for instance, describe Cleopatra's palace and tell me where it 392 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:49,119 is that's unknown at the time, not no one in the world knows where 393 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,840 it is, and I have people describe it and describe things that I will 394 00:43:52,920 --> 00:44:00,559 find there down to sixteenths of an inch, RIGHTM What are they doing? 395 00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:09,079 And the answer is they are holding intention to answer my question, and therefore 396 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:15,639 they access, if they know how to do it, they access the non 397 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:20,360 local domain where all that information is there. And I just go to the 398 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,079 site that they tell me to go to on the map, and I have 399 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:31,280 people dig down or archaeologists dig and find it. So what we are dealing 400 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:38,639 with is information. Is that all this conversation about vibrations and dimensions, those 401 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:45,840 are all spacetime words. That's an important distinction. Yes, and they've definitely 402 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:52,559 outside of a spacetime. Yes, they're not in spacetime. And so when 403 00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:57,519 you for instance, I'll give you an example. This is a case. 404 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:07,480 I actually studied a young boy pre seven, because at seven this seems to 405 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:12,960 close down largely. Edgar Casey, for instance, says, the soul becomes 406 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:22,000 totally incarnate in that personality at age seven. A psychologist and psychiatrists have different 407 00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,199 interpretations, but basically the same thing. So we have a little boy, 408 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:34,079 he's about five years old, and he says in India, and he says 409 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:43,079 that he was killed. He was a money lender and he was having an 410 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:50,880 affair with a woodcutter's wife, and the woodcutter caught them and as he was 411 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,880 climbing out the window, the woodcutter, who had his axe with him, 412 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,880 killed him by striking him in the back with his axe. Now, always 413 00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:06,360 is always a bad plan, too, Yeah, bad plan when you, 414 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,960 yeah, have an affair with somebody who's got lots of weapons? Yeah, 415 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,159 whose wife when her husband has a lot of weapons? There more accurate, 416 00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:23,039 thank you? Yeah, So this kid says, and so I was killed. 417 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:30,960 Now the child when he's born and still has key Lloyd tissue on his 418 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:37,760 back like a wound, healing like like you'd had a wound. And he 419 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,119 has this strange little strip of key Lloyd tissue which turns right. Nobody knows 420 00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:49,599 why he's got it, but there he's got it. So I contact a 421 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:54,199 group of people in India and this child is saying he comes from this village, 422 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,119 that nobody in his village has ever even heard him, let alone been 423 00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:05,480 to. And the doctor goes, comes down, gets the child, takes 424 00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,320 him to the village. He said that he came from in his previous life. 425 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,079 Okay, as soon as they get him to the edge of the village, 426 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:20,280 he immediately walks into the village and walks up to a particular little hut 427 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:28,000 little house, and a woman, an older, much older woman, comes 428 00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,480 to the door, and the boy looks at her and speaks to her and 429 00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:40,079 calls her by a pet name. Immediately immediately breaks into tears because that was 430 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:45,880 the name that her lover had called her, which nobody knew. Oh good, 431 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:52,639 they yeah, And the boy says to her, I've come to get 432 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:59,480 my watch. Oh really, I didn't expect that, says. She says, 433 00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:07,400 what watch? And he said, well, I hit it when once 434 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,800 because of whatever reason, and he goes into the area where she cooks, 435 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:19,039 and he pulls out a brick that's in the little cooking area, and they're 436 00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:23,840 wrapped in a piece of oilcloth. Is a watch the pocket watch, not 437 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:29,920 a wrist watch. And when they interviewed the woman, they say, well, 438 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,360 you know what happened, And she said, oh, I was having 439 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,119 an affair. My husband was a woodcutter, and he came back early one 440 00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:45,079 day and he caught us in bed, and as my lover was trying to 441 00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:52,079 go out the window, my husband struck him with his axe and killed him. 442 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:59,639 Confirming everything that's boy has said. Now, where does that kid get 443 00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:07,719 that information? How did he know that this was earlier? Informational linkage? 444 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,400 I think you're going to tell me that is correct. That's right now. 445 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:19,800 The key to all of this, how you do this is that you remember 446 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,079 we go back to how religion started about meditation? Why meditation? Why do 447 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:32,400 they teach meditation in martial arts dojo's, or in Hindu temples or Buddhist monasteries, 448 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:40,239 or I don't know, pick whatever you like, any religious gathering. 449 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,840 Why do they teach meditation? They call it different things? And why. 450 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:55,280 The answer is because again through empirical observation across many centuries, they have learned. 451 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:04,039 Humans have learned dating, as I say, back before history was even 452 00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:14,400 recorded. We just know this from archaeological sites. That meditation teaches intentioned focused 453 00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:21,480 awareness. Whether you're using mantras or affirmations or I mean, you do it 454 00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,480 in lots of different ways. Everybody you know thinks that this is the way 455 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:30,480 you have to do it. No, the research is very clear there's nothing 456 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:36,840 to do with what religion is involved. The key to meditation is the ability 457 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:45,440 to attain and sustain intention focused awareness, because when that happens, you open 458 00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:52,440 to what religion calls the still small voice. You open to this other aspect 459 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:59,760 of your consciousness, which is the part that is not physiologically based. Most 460 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:05,719 of our time together, most of our experience in life, we're being constantly 461 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,599 bombarded by the sensations of our neuroanatomy. It's hot, it's cold, it's 462 00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:16,079 dark, it's light, it's smelly, it's not smelly, it's noisy, 463 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:22,320 it's quiet, whatever. That's what most people think of as thinking, but 464 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:29,960 in fact, if you look at people who are known to be creative geniuses, 465 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:38,239 or people who are known to be spiritually we say enlightened. What you 466 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:44,559 find is that they all describe the same thing. I go into this state 467 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:53,199 of consciousness, everything quiets down, and I have this sense of a greater 468 00:51:53,360 --> 00:52:00,320 unity of consciousness. Ponkrey says, I walked across the street and I had 469 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:07,920 a vision of how my mathematics should work. Descartes has three dreams in Ulm, 470 00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:15,840 Germany in sixteen nineteen. Ironstein says he saw relativity as he was after 471 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:22,960 an illness, as he was going around in a canoe. Who did the 472 00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:28,480 DNA Strand that came out of a dream too? If I remember, that's 473 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:34,880 right? The snake wives Watson, Watson, now Watson and who won the 474 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,880 Nobel Yeah, I can see his face. I can't think of his name 475 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,159 anyway. Yes, if you look at these people, or you look at 476 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:54,440 famous, historically significant religious enlightened people for one of a better term, I'm 477 00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:59,360 even thinking like Edison used to do a lot of his inventions. Oh, 478 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:05,639 yes, meditative state. Yeah, yes, Tesla talks about this. I 479 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:12,320 was walking across the SUL campus with Jonas Sulk and I said, where did 480 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,719 you get the idea for the vaccine? And he said, in a dream. 481 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:23,199 It came to me in a dream, Kolka, and the Benzene ring 482 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:30,360 came in a dream. When you're in an altered state of consciousness, where 483 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:40,599 your normal physiological sense impressions retreat, and you held a focused intention, you 484 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:49,000 open to this non local aspect of consciousness and you get whatever it is you 485 00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,760 get. If you're a scientist, you get an insight into science. If 486 00:53:52,800 --> 00:54:00,800 you're a spiritual pilgrim, you get an insight into consciousness and spirituality. If 487 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:08,679 you are a creative artist, you know Leonardo would stare at a wall and 488 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,960 the pattern on the wall because of the water that had dribbled down, had 489 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,920 created patterns, and he would stare at those patterns and have these great insights 490 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,719 and do these wonderful paintings and sculptures. So if you look at this over 491 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:31,239 and over and over and over again across the course of human history, regardless 492 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,840 of the culture, regardless of the geography, regardless of the time, what 493 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:45,960 you see is that the key is to hold intentioned, focused awareness, which 494 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:52,840 allows you to open to the non local aspect of your consciousness. And with 495 00:54:53,039 --> 00:55:00,440 your intention acting as the Google search term, you have an experience which informs 496 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:06,199 whatever your intention is. I love that. So I need to go back 497 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,559 for just a second. Maybe we were talking about the chocolate bar and about 498 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:19,880 the wine and how our focused intention would change them. So that's a physical 499 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:25,320 thing. I'm assuming that we can then use our focused intention to change our 500 00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:32,119 cultural outlook too, if you know I talk about that. I'm glad you 501 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:37,679 got into that, because that's that is the other area of my research I've 502 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,280 I've been in ext I knew that as I was meditating here in the interview, 503 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,639 I just went, there, you go, we are linked non locally. 504 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:53,360 Yes, about four times in my life I've been involved with changing history. 505 00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:58,920 Okay, I was just you know, in the civil rights era, 506 00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:06,800 was just a young kid and by task was basically to show up at demonstrations 507 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:12,800 and get arrested. That seem to be it. They'd take you to the 508 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,679 drunk tank in charge of twenty five bucks to get out, and it was 509 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:21,920 mostly to get you off the street, got it. So that was the 510 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:29,159 fifties and sixties. In the seventies, I was asked to be the special 511 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:35,960 assistant to the Chief of Naval Operations and under a guy named Amber Elmo Zumwald, 512 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:42,559 and Jim Holloway came after him, and I was involved with transforming the 513 00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:49,719 American military from the elitist conscription organization that I had been drafted into to an 514 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:58,400 all volunteer meritocracy that was gender and racially neutral, big big objective, holy 515 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:07,119 small. Yeah. In the eighties, I began working to create what we 516 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:14,079 then called citizen diplomacy, which was to create a connection between the then Soviet 517 00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:17,800 Union and the United States in such a way that the Soviet Union would be 518 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:25,639 transformed into a democracy. Now I can tell you why it failed, but 519 00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:37,480 nonetheless it happened for a few years with Gorbachev. Yea and yeah, so 520 00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:43,800 citizen diplomacy, and then of course the consciousness movement, the consciousness research, 521 00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:52,039 so about well it's getting on. Thirty years ago I began accumulating, looking 522 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:59,679 at all this stuff I'd seen in the laboratory, I thought, Okay, 523 00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:06,400 that's what a single individual does, what happens when it happens at a social 524 00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:15,480 level. And I happened to read a book about Gandhi, and in this 525 00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:22,880 book was a transcript of an interview that he had given a reporter from the 526 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:29,239 Times of India had been set up by his editor just prior to Gandhi's assassination, 527 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:36,800 and he said, oh, gandhij Gandhi was up at the ashram. 528 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:46,639 My editor asked me to ask you, how did you force the British to 529 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:52,960 leave India? How did you force them to leave and give up their most 530 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:58,960 prized colonial possession? I mean you remember the King of England or the Queen 531 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:06,920 of England was the emperor. How did you force them to leave? And 532 00:59:07,039 --> 00:59:12,039 Gandhi's answer is the key to the whole business. He said, it isn't 533 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:16,280 what we did that mattered, although that mattered. It isn't what we said 534 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:22,920 that mattered. Although that mattered. It was the nature of our character, 535 00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:31,760 what I would call being this, that led the British to choose to leave 536 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:38,800 India. Now you think about this, Gandhi got independence for India without a 537 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:47,159 war. He had no troops, he had no official position, he had 538 00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:55,519 no money. How did this little man in his doughty get what was then 539 00:59:55,639 --> 01:00:04,599 one of the most powerful countries on earth to to abandon its most precious colonial 540 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:10,840 possession, to just get them to walk away? And the answer was the 541 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,960 nature of being this? And so I wrote a book called the Eight Laws 542 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:22,039 of change, which is about how individuals and small groups can do this kind 543 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:28,159 of change. How do you create because we have got to change or we're 544 01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:32,239 not going to survive through climate change. And you can already see it happening 545 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:37,559 right all right, you just look at the news every day. You can 546 01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:44,719 see that unless we change the way we organize our society, we're not going 547 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,920 to make it. So how do we do that? Well, I will 548 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:55,079 tell you and the people that will listen to this podcast, if they will 549 01:00:55,119 --> 01:01:04,000 do this, they can change the course of the election in November. How 550 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,760 about that. I'm all ears, Let's do it, Stevin. Every day 551 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:16,639 this is called the Quatitian choice. Every day you make thousands or hundreds of 552 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:22,760 little decisions. I'm going to buy this toothpaste, I'm going to buy that 553 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,800 cat food, I'm going to buy this gasoline, I'm going to buy this 554 01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:32,800 close whatever. We do dozens of these little changes all day long, all 555 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:42,719 these little choices. If you want to become an agent of change, you 556 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:49,400 must take this responsibility. You must do research into the things that you choose, 557 01:01:52,119 --> 01:01:58,920 and you must make with every choice you make. You must choose of 558 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:06,559 the options that are available to you as you best understand it at that moment 559 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:13,840 of making the choice. Maybe you will understand differently later you understood differently before, 560 01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:19,679 But at the moment you make this choice, if you choose of the 561 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:25,480 options available to you only the one that is the most compassionate, life affirming 562 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:32,039 and fostering of well being as you understand it at that moment, and you 563 01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:37,320 make every choice on that basis, and you tell ten of your friends that 564 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:43,920 you're doing it as a discipline and that they should invite them to do it, 565 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:52,920 and ask ten of their friends between the fourteenth of September when we're doing 566 01:02:52,920 --> 01:03:00,920 this interview twenty twenty two and November the seventh of twenty twenty two, if 567 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:07,719 the people who are listening to this podcast will make this commitment and tell ten 568 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,880 of their friends they're doing it as a commitment and invite them to do it, 569 01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:16,559 and choose only that which is the most compassionate, life affirming and fostering 570 01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:22,920 of well being, they will change the course of the election in a positive 571 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:31,559 way. Wow, that's an extraordinary way to end an interview. Yeah. 572 01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:38,440 See, I think that if we can choose things that are compassionate, life 573 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:45,599 affirming and fostering of well being That will change the world and will change how 574 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:52,960 we react to each other now we react to the planet, and how we 575 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:58,960 react to ourselves. You know, Yes, it will change all our technologies 576 01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:06,159 because we will make different technologies, because we have technologies that don't pollute, 577 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:15,239 that don't destroy the Earth's ecosystems, that instead foster them. We will behave 578 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:24,119 differently towards people of different races, or different genders or different religions. We 579 01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:30,119 will become a different person and in the process of doing that, we will 580 01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:38,679 become agents of change to change the world in a positive way of well being. 581 01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:50,199 Thank you, Stephen Schwartz. This has been a most fascinating interview. 582 01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:58,800 I was right, wasn't I Stephen Schwartz is remarkable. Let's dive into some 583 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,239 of the ideas that could you a little more clarity. Just to be clear, 584 01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,440 these are my viewpoints. But that's why you watch the Afterlife files to 585 01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:12,320 gain perspective by using more than one lens with which to view this rich information. 586 01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:19,920 I appreciated his description of the information architecture being designed and built by intentioned 587 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:29,519 consciousness. Great Stephen talks about consciousness being fundamental in my research. Indy Ears 588 01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:33,000 talk of a living, vibrating source of all things. That is the love 589 01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:39,840 of the universe. We're talking about the same thing. I also appreciate his 590 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:45,880 correcting my use of time space words and describing non local consciousness. I promise 591 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:53,760 I will forever use informational linkage instead of vibration. Less. Of course, 592 01:05:53,800 --> 01:06:00,960 I forget, because old habits can die hard, But I'll try. Here's 593 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:08,519 a great phrase that Stephan employs. Consciousness is interconnected and interdependent. What does 594 01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:15,800 he mean? Andy Ears who experience the black light find that it is consciousness 595 01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:24,159 that is source. Source is the vibration informational linkage from which all things material 596 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:30,760 arise. Therefore, since consciousness exists in all things, all things that are 597 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:39,719 interconnected through that source consciousness. He also says consciousness is interdependent. What consciousness 598 01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:45,199 desires, if it's in the soul's best interests source puts into form. Here's 599 01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:50,000 a great metaphor. Think of the replicator in the popular TV and film series 600 01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:57,719 Star Trek. Imagine Captain Jean Luc Picard desires a cup of tea. He 601 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,880 walks over and commands the replicator, which looks remarkably like a microwave. By 602 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:10,599 the way, t Earl Gray Halt, sorry about the impersonation, then the 603 01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:16,159 replicator makes it stow. Stephen is talking about the same mechanism. Consciousness, 604 01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:23,000 whether human or non human, creates an idea attemplate for source to follow when 605 01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:30,360 manifesting. How do you get better at accessing non local consciousness. Stephen's research 606 01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:36,360 says, learn to meditate, find a way to attain and sustained intentioned focus 607 01:07:36,519 --> 01:07:43,880 consciousness. Binoral beats are an incredibly effective at doing this. That's why I 608 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,039 use this technology on my albums and in my indie workshops and retreats. I 609 01:07:50,199 --> 01:07:57,159 love how he ends our conversation with how to use our understanding of consciousness to 610 01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:03,800 better our world, creating individual and cultural wellbeing. With that knowledge, we 611 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:10,440 can choose a culture that is compassionate, life affirming, and focused on well 612 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,319 being. By the way, I've listed links for Stephen's talk at the Veiled 613 01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:20,880 Symposium and his TEDx talk on the Eight Laws of Change in the comments below. 614 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:29,000 Okay, we now know that researchers like Stephen Schwartz and those who experience 615 01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:35,880 an NDE or SDE come to the same conclusions. Consciousness is causal and fundamental. 616 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:43,359 I find that remarkable. Thank you. Stephen for giving us another vocabulary 617 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,199 for describing the nature of the universe and how that makes a difference, and 618 01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:53,880 how that brings joy into our lives. If you're watching on YouTube, like 619 01:08:54,119 --> 01:08:59,000 subscribe and comment that would be a lovely thing. 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