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Welcome back to the Path Went Chile
for part two of our series on the

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unsolved disappearance of Joey lynn Offit Robin, do you want to catch everyone up

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on what we talked about in our
previous episode. Well, this case took

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place in July of two thousand and
seven in the small town of Sikesville,

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Pennsylvania. Joey lint Off It was
thirty three years old, but because she

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has developmental disabilities, she was described
as having the mind of a fourteen year

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old, so that often made it
very difficult for her to navigate through life

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at times. At this point,
she had child run one from a previous

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relationship, but her last two children
were with a guy named Alexis Broland,

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who was described as being her on
again, off again boyfriend because they kind

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of had an a rocky relationship.
Joey had recently given birth to a six

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week old infant son named Lex,
and at the start of July, Alexis,

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as well as Joey's mother, we're
looking at looking after her other two

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children so she can spend some time
alone with Lex. But on July the

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twelfth, their house caught fire and
alex was found dead in the bathtub and

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was burned beyond recognition that they cannot
determine its exact cause of death, but

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Joey in her car were missing from
the scene, and a few days later,

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her vehicle was found sixty miles away
in State College, Pennsylvania, and

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it was parked at an apartment complex
where Joey and Alexis had previously lived,

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though the way the car was parked
led her loved ones to think that she

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was not the person who actually drove
it there. And what was strange is

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that the last confirmed sighting of Joey
took place on July the third, nine

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days before the house burned down,
and no one could confirm having seen Joey

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or Lex alive during that nine day
window. In fact, Alexis claimed that

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he visited the house numerous times throughout
the week, and what made things even

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odd is he claimed that Joey's car
kept disappearing and reappearing in the driveway as

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if someone was moving it out,
but he could not be certain if it

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was actually Joey, So at first
there speculation the baby Joey killed Lex and

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then ran off in a panic,
but there has been no evidence to suggest

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that she's still alive, so we
think that someone else is responsible for the

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death of lex and subsequently disposed of
Joey's body. But there's no one who's

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ever been named as a suspect or
person of interest, and no one has

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ever been able to figure out what
actually happened which led to her disappearance.

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So if you look up any discussions
about this case online, you'll see that

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quite a few people have expressed her
suspicions about Alexis Brolind, Joey's on again,

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off again boyfriend and the father of
two of her children. On the

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surface, might seem like a logical
conclusion, as they definitely had a rocky

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relationship, but if you watch the
Disappeared episode about this case and see Alexis's

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interviews, it's hard to picture him
being involved, as I personally believe he

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does come across as sincere. Remember
he not only lost Joy but a six

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week old son as well, and
I do think he sounds genuinely broken up

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when he's talking about it. The
way the episode frames it, you get

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the impression that Joey was to blame
for many of the issues in the relationship.

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Joey's mother and sister are also interviewed, and you get the sense that

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they got along fairly well with Alexis
and never give off any vibes that they

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suspect him. The only time the
episode casts any suspicion in Alexis's direction is

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when it shares the circumstances of his
polygraph test, which seemed pretty odd to

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me. According to Alexis, the
first time he took the polygraph, he

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was told he did well, but
I'm not sure if that means he was

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specifically told he passed. But when
police approached Alexis about taking the polygraphic agen,

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they told him he did not pass
the first time around, so on

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the advice of his family, Alexis
declined to take it. One of the

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detectives who was interviewed on the show
says that while Alexis was initially very cooperative

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with the investigation, he has become
a bit less cooperative as time has gone

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on, but they still don't have
any reason to consider him a suspect.

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Well, as I'm sure you know, polygraphs are not considered to be reliable,

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so I really do not blame Alexis
for not wanting to take one again

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if he failed the first time.
Around. Why did they not tell him

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that to begin with? It's almost
like investigators were making some sort of attempt

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to trip Alexis up. So I'd
be very reluctant about taking a polygraph under

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those circumstances, even if I was
completely innocent, as would I. I

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remember when I was telling Rebel about
these wrongful conviction cases, right, and

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that you think these things don't happen
in our justice system, and that you

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know it would take someone getting really
mixed up in the justice them to ever

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be accused of something they didn't do. And now I have him completely terrified

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of everything. He's like, okay, so if I ever get pulled over,

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what do I do? And I
don't take a polygraph? And I

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need an attorney? And like it's
oddly funny how scared he is, but

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it's real, right, And I
think over time, when you have given

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so much of yourself, Alexis is
remarried, right, he has tried to

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continue a life without his baby,
without Joey. I think sometimes you do

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have to distance yourself. And I
do think it would feel like, Okay,

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I did what they asked me to
do. They told me I passed

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it. Then they said I didn't, which police are allowed to do even

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if you did pass it right,
and trying to get you, like you

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said, to trip up or say
something because you know you think what they're

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telling you is true. And so
I don't blame Alexis for saying I did

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what you asked. I have been
supportive, I have been open. It's

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been how many years, I'm moving
forward with my wife. He also,

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I'm assuming raising Joey's baby, that's
his correct I think so, yeah,

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because technically he is the father of
that child. I mean Joey's eldest daughter,

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because she was from a previous relationship, was probably being raised by her

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mother, Sherry. But I'm assuming
that Alexis got custody of the younger daughter.

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Yeah, I would absolutely think so, unless Alexis and Sherry decided it

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was best for the baby to stay
with her big sister. But but yeah,

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so I don't find any suspicion,
is what I'm trying to say.

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With Alexis saying I'm going to be
a little less open to you at this

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point, I feel like you might
have lied to me. I feel like

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you're not always open with me,
and I've been cooperative and it's time for

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me to move back. I wouldn't
take a polygraph test from them. I

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don't know. I'm sorry, even
if from the jump, I wouldn't.

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But after they were like, hey
you passed, good job, and then

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conveniently later on they're like, actually
you didn't pass, It's like, well,

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what is it. I can't trust
you to be giving me accurate information,

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So why am I going to bend
over back when I'm not legally obliged

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to do so, especially after he
was open and did provide this information.

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And I think this is exactly why
people who are like, Okay, I'll

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take a polygraph, but it needs
to be from an independent examiner at a

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different location, because police can do
anything they want with that information, and

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it is very subjective, so they
can look at you, like Ashley said,

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and be like you failed even though
you pass, in order to try

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to trip you up. So just
don't ever take a polygraph. While the

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Disappeared episode mostly paints Alexis in a
positive light, what's particularly interesting is that

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they make no mention of some of
the unsavory accusations that Joey made against him.

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As you'll recall, Joey spent two
and a half years in an Internet

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group for single mothers and made some
pretty unsettling posts which did not give off

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a flattering portrayal of Alexis, as
she claimed he was a felon and former

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drug addict who had the potential to
harm her. Joey also said she had

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gotten a protection from abuse order against
Alexis and alleged that his son from a

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previous relationship was sexually abusing her oldest
daughter. Well, the disappeared episode doesn't

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mention this stuff at all, and
quite frankly, we have no idea if

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it's true. Yes, I know, this is a TV show and it

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could have been slanted to make Alexis
look better than he really was. But

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let's not forget that Joey's family also
participated in the episode, and if they

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made similar accusations about him, they
were not included in the show. In

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two thousand and six, Joey posted
that her daughter had been removed from her

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home because of abuse at the hands
of Alexis's son, so she had to

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fight to get her back. Well, it is true that Joey's daughter was

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taken from her that year, but
it was actually for something Joey did her

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own mother, Sherry Hallett, confirmed
that she was granted temporary custody of the

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children because Joey had been communicating with
a potential sexual predator online and Sherry feared

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for the children's safety. Sherry said
that Alexis was the one who brought the

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tower attention in the first place after
he intercepted some disturbing emails, and Joey

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had to be dragged away from the
police and handcuffs because she threw a violent

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fit over the whole thing. So
this sounds like the teenagers I'm raising.

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That's basically what this is. Okay. So the reality is that teenagers will

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create stories that fit their narrative,
and a narrative that gets them what they

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want allows them to avoid being accountable
for things. So when Joey is making

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a mistake, instead of saying,
yeah, actually teach me how to be

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a better mom. Right, you're
right. That probably wasn't smart. Wow,

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I didn't know that. Thanks for
pointing that out. Now I'm embarrassed.

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You know, instead of taking these
opportunities when people are really saying,

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like, you've got to stop,
You've got to help yourself and your kids.

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She starts to point that she's a
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the bad guy. Her mother alexis
right, So it's easier to say,

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oh, wait a minute, I'm
the one being attacked, shifting the blame,

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shifting the focus to other people.
I don't buy the stuff she posted

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online about Joey or about Alexis because
when you look at the type of group

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she was in, this wasn't on
her public Facebook page. This wasn't to

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her mother, this wasn't to any
friends as she has. This is to

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a group of single women who were
all coming together for support. And I

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can see those pages turning into like
a one upper like I'm in a widows

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group and I had to leave it
because I was like, jeez, you

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like you want to do a little
better than the girl before you to be

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in a worse position, do you
know what I mean? And to bring

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attention to you, And so I
think that could be kind of what's going

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on here. She made five hundred
and twenty five posts in two and a

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half years. That is a lot
to strangers, to tell them about sexual

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abuse, to tell them about physical
abuse, to tell them about legal troubles.

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It seems like an unsafe and immature
way to get attention from these other

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mothers and to have them say,
oh, your situation's really bad, oh

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sweetheart, like I'm so proud of
you, and walking away saying, huh,

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I feel better about myself, right, instead of having to look in

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the mirror and say I've messed up
and I need to do better. Actually,

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when you consider that she was saying
a lot of these accusations against Alexis

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after he brought those emails to the
attention of Sherry and got her children taken

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away. So it's almost like I'm
going to project here. I'm going to

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get angry and say that Alexis did
all these bad things so that I don't

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have to look in the mirror and
look in my own culpability and why my

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children were taken away. Oh my
goodness, if I could tell you what

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my teenagers have told other people when
they didn't get their way, It's like,

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God, yeah, that did not
happen, right like that. Everyone

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knows that did not happen. But
it's easier. It's an easier route to

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say you are bad. I'm being
attacked by people, I'm being hurt by

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people, instead of just saying like, yeah, I could probably do better.

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I'm sorry about that. I agree. I think there is some kind

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of escalation and like one upmanship,
and you get into a group like that,

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and if somebody's trying to look for
attention, that would be one way

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to garner it. But I do
have a question for you, Robin,

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because this seems like it's an easier
thing to kind of pass through and maybe

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figure out if there's any accuracy to
the statement. Is that is Alexis a

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felon? And was he an addict
or did he have a substance use disorder?

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I can't say with one hundred percent
certainty. I don't know about the

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substance abuse disorder, but I did
find someone post online that they did find

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like a criminal record for Alexis in
his past. So but I'm guessing it

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was like a long time ago,
maybe before he even had any of his

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children, and I don't think he's
gotten to any trouble with the laws since

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then. So, I mean,
there may be some truth in those statements,

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but perhaps Joey is just kind of
escalating them and making up a bunch

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of stories about him to add to
it. The best lies always have some

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truth to them, that is true. I bet there is a basis of

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like they were fussing, there was
a very unhealthy dynamic. But did it

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go to that extent. I just
I don't think so. I just don't

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think that that is what was happening. And remember she was also seeking that

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attention elsewhere online. I think for
Joey, Joey struggles with an intellectual disability,

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and I think that's a really important
factor in this case. When you're

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looking at her behavior, she's finding
friends quote end quote. She's finding people

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who think she's pretty, that thinks
she's a good mom, that thinks she

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is a strong woman, and she's
doing that with a facade of the woman

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sitting in front of the computer and
people don't know her. And so I

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think she needed that, she needed
the attention and to be somebody different online.

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That's what got her in trouble with
her mom and Alexis in the first

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place. And I bet the mom's
group was not that different. She was

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doing that same kind of search for
acceptance and getting to be someone she's not

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like running away from the problems and
being important to people, even though she

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was very important to the people around
her. But she's seeking that quick approval

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from these people that don't know who
she is. Okay, I just did

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a Google search on Alexis Brolin.
As you probably know, My Trail Went

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Cold episode came out in twenty nineteen, and I just found out that in

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June of twenty twenty, he was
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So Alexis has has had some legal
troubles in the past few years,

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but none of this took place before
Joey went missing. That's interesting. Yeah,

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I was trying to look up if
he had a prior criminal record.

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Didn't find out. Well, he
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very recently, so he might actually
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this. So could this mean that
none of the stuff Joey was posting about

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Alexis in her online group was true. Well, we can't one percent prove

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or disprove anything Joey said, but
if she was lying, I would not

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be over surprised. We really hate
to say something like that about a missing

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victim. But let's not forget that
Joy was a thirty three year old woman

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with the mind of a fourteen year
old, going online and spreading false rumors

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about someone they're angry with. Sounds
exactly like the type of thing an immature

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fourteen year old would do, Like
Ashley has said, one detail which makes

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most doubt the veracity of Joey's claims
is that she specifically posted that Alexis's son

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was abusing her five year old daughter. But these posts were made in two

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thousand and six, when her two
daughters would have been eight and one year

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old, respectively, so the math
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there's a threat about this case in
the web Sluice forum, and in twenty

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fourteen, one of the posters there
claimed that they performed an online docket search

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for every court in Pennsylvania and found
no record of Joy ever having filed a

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protection from abuse order against Alexis.
Again, we hate to accuse Joy of

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lying, but no one from her
family or law enforcement has ever publicly confirmed

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any of these accusations made. Regardless
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that doesn't mean we completely rule out
Alexis as a suspect, but we'll

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get back to him in a little
while. I don't think you can rule

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anyone out here. You know,
we talked in episode one that there's just

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too many unanswered questions like where was
she, when did she disappear, when

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did the baby die? How did
that happen? We can't provide alibis and

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airtight excuses for people when we don't
know what we're looking for, Like what

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are we actually trying to account for
here? So unfortunately Alexis Sherry, everybody

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else's is going to They're going to
remain a suspect. Now what I do

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in my gut, now that we're
talking about this, I am very concerned

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about who she was speaking to online. She got caught with that one man

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who was propositioning her for pictures and
pornography. We don't know if that was

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continuing after that. We don't know
who she gave her address to. So

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I don't think that we can rule
out, just like we can't rule out

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anything else. I don't think we
can rule out a stranger getting to quote

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know her on the internet and really
being someone who wanted to target her right,

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who got her to open up about
things, allowed them to see she's

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a very vulnerable person, and they
went this is going to be an easy

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target. For now, we want
to address the theory that Joey could have

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been responsible for the death of her
newborn son, Lex. There's been a

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lot of speculation that she may have
been suffering from postpartum depression, and sadly,

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postpartum depression has played a role in
some cases in which mothers have killed

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their children, such as Andrea Yates. During his Disappeared interview, Alexis expressed

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his own belief that Joey might have
had postpartum depression and was taking medication for

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it, but investigators said they could
not find any documentation, such as pharmaceutical

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prescriptions to support this theory. But
even so, it's definitely possible that Joey

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could have still been suffering from it
without being officially diagnosed. Of course,

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if Joey was responsible for Lex's death, that doesn't necessarily mean it was murder,

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as it could have been accidental.
The last time alex has claimed he

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saw Joey, he was angry about
her giving the baby a bath inside a

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dirty sink, And since Lex's body
was found inside a bathtub, what if

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his death was an accidental drowning.
Given her immaturity, it's reasonable to assume

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that no matter what happened, Joey
would have panicked and reacted badly. She

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could have cut off all contact with
everybody to avoid taking responsibility for what she

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did, which is why no one
could get a hold of her for an

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entire week. In fact, even
if lex to come to sudden infant death

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syndrome and Joey was not even at
fault, she still may have reacted the

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same way. For sure, she
absolutely could have reacted the same way.

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What is interesting is we've got to
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So things like Joey bathing the baby
in a sink. Depending on the

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size of the sink, that makes
it easier to fill it with water and

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lay the baby in the sink and
not have to support them as much,

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right, Like, maybe it's a
smaller sink and you can actually prop the

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baby up against the side. And
then if she moved to a tub,

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babies can drown and what is it
two inches of water, right or an

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inch of water if their faces is
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So I could see a fourteen year
old kid who's a parent walking away for

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a second, you know, like
getting on the phone, checking her email,

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doing something, where then she turns
around. It takes sixty seconds to,

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you know, like lose a kid, so I could see something like

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that happening. I, as a
responsible, grown, fully stable woman,

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have done a couple of things that
you actually go, oh, my God,

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like thank god nothing happened, right, Like I remember putting Reggan in

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the middle of the bed and she
had never rolled over before, and I'm

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like, oh good, that gives
me, you know, five minutes to

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go change my clothes and brush my
hair, and I'm singing to her,

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and next thing I know, she
learned to roll over and fell, you

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know, like, thank God she
didn't get hurt. But there's little things

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like that as a mother that you
do and you go, thank you Jesus

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for watching out for her, like, wow, learn my lesson there,

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you know, you learn through mistakes, and especially if I was had a

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fourteen year old mentality, I might
make decisions that put my baby at risk

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without me knowing. So I don't
see it being impossible that Joey could have

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been responsible for Lex's death, or
like you said, it was a sudden

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infant death syndrome situation where she panics
possibly puts the baby in the tub with

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cold water to see if it would
wake it up. I mean millions of

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explanations. We don't know the body
was so charred. I believe you guys

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told me there was no way of
knowing what had happened to that little one.

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Yeah, exactly. We don't know
how Lex died, but they did

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were able to confirm that he was
dead before the fire started. Do you

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think that if there was water in
the lungs and it wasn't drowning, that

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they would have been able to figure
that out because the charring shouldn't have affected

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the lungs, right, or maybe
just the amount of decomposition that had happened

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they have affected it. I think
all of it, All of it would

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have been really hard. I feel
like they would have been able to say,

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like the lungs were halty, like
I feel like they could have documented

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some details if certain parts weren't.
If you look at like autopsy pictures of

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the Waco remains, oh yeah,
it doesn't even look like a human being.

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Do you know what I mean?
And what you could tell from that?

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I have no idea. I'd also
like to note I'm a damn good

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mom, even though I let my
kid fall off the bed. After I

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said it, I was like,
oh oh, you're a great mom.

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I don't think anyone's doubting that.
I think everybody makes mistakes, right,

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Oh my gosh. Yes. So. The last confirmed sighting of Joey took

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place on July the fifth, where
a neighbor walked past her while she was

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pushing a stroller. He claimed she
wouldn't acknowledge him and could not be certain

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that a baby was inside the stroller. Well, some people have taken this

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as an indication that Lex may have
already been dead by this point, and

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the trauma caused Joey to have a
complete mental breakdown and go into a daze,

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which is why she was pushing an
empty stroll around. But it's worth

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noting that just because the neighbor said
he did not recall seeing a baby in

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the stroller does not necessarily mean it
was empty. For all we know,

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he simply could have missed Lex,
and this sighting doesn't have any real significance.

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The problem is that, due to
the condition of Lex's burned body,

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investigators were unable to determine his exact
cause of death, though they were pretty

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certain that Lex was already deceased before
the fire started. Regardless, even if

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Joey killed her child and had a
complete breakdown. Would she really had been

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capable of committing arson by spreading gasoline
around the house and setting it on fire

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to cover up the crime. And
if she fled the scene in her own

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vehicle, why leave her purse behind? She didn't leave on her own at

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least not for long. Okay.
I think the pushing the baby stroller,

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that's a stretch. If I have
been walking down the sidewalk going to work

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and someone has said good morning,
and it doesn't really register with me,

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I'm walking up and I'm like,
wait a minute, I'm pretty sure I

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just ignored, you know, my
friend down the street. Sometimes you're thinking

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about something, you are kind of
consumed with an idea, you're soaking in

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the things around you, and you
just simply don't acknowledge or respond to people.

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I think that's possible. Maybe she
didn't like the neighbor, Maybe she

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felt unsafe and had just been chastised
about talking to strangers. You know.

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Also, you forget how tiny a
newborn baby is. I remember having Reagan

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and watching her grow up, and
I'm like, oh my gosh, you

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know, and then I held my
niece, who is new a new baby,

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and I'm going, was Reagan this
small too? Like, yeah,

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Reagan was three pounds smaller than her, you know, And I'm like,

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what, they're so small, And
so if she's in a carrier, in

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a you know, in a baby
carriage, depending on the way that the

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little setup is, you may not
see the baby, right. There could

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be a little blanket over them and
you don't see them. They're they're so

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small. Yeah, I definitely think
this is an example of a witness who

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just saw something mundane and then when
he found out about a week later that

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the baby turned up dead, he
was just looking at the situation a lot

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more ominously. And I think the
fact that she didn't acknowledge this person,

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I don't think it's a red flag
either. If I don't have my coffee,

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there'll be somebody saying hello to me
on the street in the morning.

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It happened to me just yesterday.
They're like, hey, hey, somebody

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in my building. And it took
like three hats to me to be like,

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oh hi, because I'm so lost
in my own thoughts and I'm not

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caffeinated yet, and so I just
have like one track focus, like get

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the dog out, get him to
go to the bathroom, walk them around,

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and you know, go home and
then have my coffee. And so

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I could see how maybe she was
just in her own thoughts or like doing

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her own thing, and maybe just
didn't even hear it, because sometimes if

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you're focused on something else, your
other senses don't seem to be quite as

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acute. There has been speculation that
the truth lies somewhere in the middle,

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as Joey may have been responsible for
Lex's death but then became a victim at

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the hands as someone else. For
instance, if Alexis went over to the

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house and found out that Joey had
killed their son, he might have gone

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into a rage and killed her.
He then proceeded to set fire to the

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place to destroy evidence, and disposed
of Joey's body somewhere, then abandoned her

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car at another location to give off
the impression that she went on the run.

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Or perhaps Joey caused Lexi's death and
turned to someone else for help,

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but this person proceeded to take advantage
of Joey and killed her before burning down

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the house. The problem with latching
onto any theory in particular is that the

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timeline of events in the week prior
to Joey's disappearance is very confusing, but

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let's start at the beginning. The
last confirmed sighting of Joey is from July

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fifth, a full seven days before
the fire, and no one can be

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certain if she was even alive during
that entire time period Before that. The

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last time anyone recalled speaking with Joey
was on July third, when she had

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an argument with Alexis over giving Alexa
bath in a dirty sink. After that,

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Alexis and Joey's family made numerous attempts
to contact her over the next several

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days, but claimed they couldn't reach
her. If you believe Alexis is a

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perpetrator, then you could assume that
he killed Joey on July third, and

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his story about the argument is a
lie, or perhaps there are some remnants

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of truth to it. But the
real story is that Joey accidentally drowned lex

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while bathing him, and this prompted
Alexis to kill her in a fit of

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rage. That is definitely a possibility. I thought about that, like,

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you know, you're not taking care
of the baby, and look at what

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you just did, and I'm so
angry with you, But think about this.

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She's frustrated with Alexis. Maybe she
doesn't want her mom to know something

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has happened. Remember, she has
all these quote friends online. I know

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her Internet had been disconnected, but
I'm wondering, did she have a way

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to communicate with people? Did she
have phone numbers, you know, for

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people that she had met online,
And did she call one of these quote

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friends to come help her and comfort
her and come up with a plan.

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And they said, this is the
moment, this is where I go and

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I get this girl. I'm not
taking her away from her kid or kids

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already deceased, and I'm just going
to hide all this evidence and take her

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with me. I mean, that's
a good question. I mean I don't

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really have much information about her friendships
at that time. Like we know she

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communicated a lot online that I don't
know how many actual flesh and blood friends

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she had in the area, particularly
since she hadn't been living in Sykesville all

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that long. And I know that
they checked her Internet activity didn't find anything

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suspicious. So I don't know who
she would have had the opportunity to meet

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with, who would have been willing
to help her and possibly harm her.

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There could have been sex offenders in
the area. There could be some unknown

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perpetrator that she could have been exposed
to prior, who maybe she had kind

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of started a friendship with or was
just familiar with, and they're the one

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that did her harm. There could
be all of these unknown variables that just

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are infuriating because we don't know anything
about her circle besides Sherry, and besides

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Alexis and this mom group, single
mom group. Who else was she in

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contact with, besides her nurse.
It is really frustrating because there's just so

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much that we don't know here.
So if you believe the sighting from the

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neighbor is accurate, then that means
Joey was still alive for at least two

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more days after her fight with Alexis. However, part of me wonders if

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the neighbor may have gotten a date
wrong and that he actually passed by Joy

408
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:45.160
pushing a stroll or on another day
prior to July the fifth. The only

409
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.720
reason I question this is because Alexis
claimed that he tried to get a hold

410
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.680
of Joey several times on July the
fourth, but she never returned his calls.

411
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.440
They had originally planned to visit Alexis's
grandmother for a Fourth of July fireworks

412
00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:00.839
celebration. And even if Joey was
still angry with Alexis, you think she

413
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:06.559
might have still been inclined to attend
this get together rather than completely ignoring him.

414
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:10.160
But then again, if something happened
with Joey and lex on July the

415
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.119
third or the fourth, this might
explain why she never got back to Alexis

416
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:18.759
and was seen walking through the neighborhood
in a possibly disoriented state on the fifth.

417
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.039
Yeah, she could have been struggling
and kind of scrambling to figure out

418
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:26.880
what do I do? How do
I fix what happened? And I would

419
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:32.160
not be surprised if she didn't reach
out to a stranger posing as someone she

420
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:37.160
could trust for help. I also, I mean, I think there's eyewitness.

421
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.440
We know eyewitness sightings are not really
reliable. I think it would be

422
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.079
very bizarre that that would stand out
so much that I remember the date,

423
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:48.319
I remember what was happening. I
do think this neighbors trying to be helpful,

424
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:52.519
but they're simply giving their best estimate
of when and what they saw.

425
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:57.119
It's after this when things got really
weird, as both Alexis and a nurse

426
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:02.680
from the Home health agency visit to
Joey's house on multiple occasions over the course

427
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.759
of the next week, and got
no answer at the front door. Even

428
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:10.240
if Joey still didn't want to speak
with Alexis, you would think that she

429
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:14.079
would answer the door for her scheduled
depointment with the nurse, since this was

430
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.559
free medical care for her child.
But the discovery of the raw hamburger being

431
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.720
on Joey's kitchen counter after the fire
is a pretty ominous sign that something went

432
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.599
horribly wrong during this time period,
as the presence of Meggett seemed to indicate

433
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:32.480
that it had been sitting there since
some time between July third and fifth.

434
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:36.680
None of these visits to Joey's home
took place until the fifth or after,

435
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.759
so the logical conclusion is that something
happened with Joey prior to this, and

436
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.200
most disturbingly, poor lex may have
been lying dead inside the house for an

437
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.359
entire week before the fire department arrived. Now, most of the evidence seems

438
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:55.200
to suggest that there was no activity
at the house that week, since the

439
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.200
mail kept piling up on the front
door, and each time Alexis and the

440
00:30:59.319 --> 00:31:03.640
nurse looked side through the window.
Lex's baby seat and diapers remained in the

441
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.640
same place. However, the most
perplexing aspect of this mystery is the apparent

442
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:15.039
disappearance and reappearance of Joey's Saturn coup
so weird. Somebody got into her car

443
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:18.400
and moved it back and forth,
supposedly right they drove it, they went

444
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:25.119
somewhere, yet no one is seen
Joey. And what's so sad is that

445
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.200
a hindsight's twenty twenty. But had
this nurse been concerned enough to call the

446
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.559
police, had Sherry thought something's wrong, I'm gonna call the police right there,

447
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:37.359
she supposed to have this baby by
herself, she'd be opening the door.

448
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:41.440
If someone at the doctor's office when
she didn't show up, said like,

449
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.839
hey, just checking in, Like
anyone know what's happening. It would

450
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.440
have taken one person to call the
police, and they might not have been

451
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.119
alive. But at this point,
when the house hasn't burned down, we

452
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.000
might have at least been able to
find Lex and see what had happened.

453
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.000
And then maybe Joey is still alive
and in a desperate situation, a desperate

454
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.720
decline or injured or something like that, and they would have been able to

455
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.119
go in. It's so sad.
Not anyone's fault. I'm not blaming anybody

456
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:14.039
at all, but man one person
to ask for a wellness check. What

457
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.839
would the police have found in that
home. I'm also wondering if the reason

458
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:22.279
that perhaps Alexis and Sherry, who
kept calling her several times it didn't get

459
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.680
an answer. They may not have
wanted to involve the police because of the

460
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:30.480
past illegal trouble with Joey where she
had her kids taken away from her,

461
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.440
because of her interaction with the creeper
online, and they're probably thinking, Okay,

462
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.519
if we call the police prematurely and
it turns out there's nothing wrong,

463
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.119
she could potentially get into trouble and
Joey's probably going to throw a fit and

464
00:32:40.119 --> 00:32:43.680
get mad at me. So I
think they may have been trying to give

465
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:45.559
her the benefit of the doubt and
hope that she'll finally get back to them

466
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:49.960
over the course of the next few
days, but tragically it never happened.

467
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:57.000
That's genius, because you're right.
Remember it's not just that she gets mad

468
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.160
at them. Remember she got arrested, didn't she She gotten a fuss with

469
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:04.119
the law Enfersman agents who responded to
her home that one time. And so

470
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.839
there does come that decision as a
parent, like do I go through that

471
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.720
again? Do I risk that she's
going to react in a way that police

472
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.480
are not trained to deal with mental
health issues. They're not really trained to

473
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:21.119
deal with people with intellectual disabilities.
So Sherry saw how it went with the

474
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:24.400
police the first time, and Alexis
knows that too. Yeah, I definitely

475
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:30.559
think that could have played a role. So let's recap the strange happening surrounding

476
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.039
Joey's car. According to Alexis and
the nurse, the Saturn Cooper was parked

477
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.279
in front of the house on July
the fifth and sixth, was missing on

478
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:42.240
the seventh, returned on the eighth, was missing again on the eleventh,

479
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.000
but was confirmed by other witnesses to
be parked outside during the early morning hours

480
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:51.519
of the twelfth, approximately one hour
before the fire, And of course it's

481
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.319
subsequently turned up in State College three
days later. So does the disappearance and

482
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.640
reappearance of the vehicle prove that Joey
was still alive from julya fifth until the

483
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:04.559
twelve, Well, if Joey was
dead that entire time, and someone else

484
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.039
killed her, why would the perpetrator
move the saturn back and forth from the

485
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:13.280
house on multiple occasions. Luminol testing
found no trace of forensic evidence in the

486
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.440
vehicle to suggest foul play, so
I'm not so sure if anyone used Joey's

487
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:22.440
car to transport or body somewhere.
We technically only have Alexis's word that the

488
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.079
car was gone on the seventh,
but the nurse was able to corroborate that

489
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:30.239
it was missing on the eleventh.
If you believe Alexis is behind this whole

490
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.559
thing, then you can assume that
he moved the saturn back and forth in

491
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.880
order to give off the false impression
that someone else was responsible for what happened,

492
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:42.440
Perhaps as constant phone calls, visits
to the house, and interactions with

493
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.599
the nurse were nothing more than a
charade in order to faint concern for Joey.

494
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:51.320
After all, it does seem convenient
that Alexis would wait an entire week

495
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:54.480
to file a missing person's report and
finally get around to visiting the police only

496
00:34:54.559 --> 00:35:00.000
hours after Joey's house was set on
fire. That is super suspiciou We also

497
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.800
know that the car was located at
an apartment complex sixty miles away where Alexis

498
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:10.760
and Joey used to live, and
so there is a known connection to that.

499
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.920
You don't randomly pick an apartment complex
sixty miles away and say, WHOA,

500
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.960
what are the odds that they would
dump the car there. Someone knew

501
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:24.199
that that was an important place.
It was a known place of familiar place

502
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:30.280
for Joey and Alexis. Also,
that car was backed into a parking spot,

503
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:35.920
perfectly parked, The seat was leaned
back and indicated that there was a

504
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:40.559
larger person driving than her five three
frame. So that car, how there

505
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:45.400
was no forensic evidence in it,
I do not know, because we know

506
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:53.320
that that car housed somebody who knows
something about Joey's disappearance. Those are the

507
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:59.000
two biggest question marks for me to
make me think, well, maybe Alexis

508
00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:04.320
is responsible because the person that dump
the car there had to have known about

509
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.599
that place, and what are the
chances that some stranger is going to be

510
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.559
able to extract that information from Joey, that they would even think to ask

511
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.719
that, and that they would also
go and drive sixty miles to that specific

512
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:21.400
location. It just seems counterintuitive that
it would be somebody who was unknown or

513
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:25.199
just you know, maybe casually known
to Joey. And then the timing,

514
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:30.840
like, what are the chances that
after a week has gone by, you

515
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.960
still haven't filed a missing person's report. This is not only Joey, it's

516
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.079
also little Lex. It just seems
like, Okay, a day goes by,

517
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:43.039
a couple days go by, and
I see the protecting of Joey for

518
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:47.199
a very short period of time from
law enforcement and whatever ramifications could come up.

519
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:52.199
But the fact that he waited a
week is pretty concerning. And then

520
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.559
oh, just by coincidence, it
seems to be just after the place is

521
00:36:55.599 --> 00:37:02.159
torched and potentially any forensic evidence that
maybe left behind. It just it feels

522
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:06.239
a little off to me. But
on the other hand, it makes me

523
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.960
wonder if Alexis did this, why
would he choose that apartment complex, Like,

524
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:13.440
wouldn't you want to draw attention away
from yourself and just maybe leave it

525
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.480
in a random location and not something
that thinks whoever left this here has inside

526
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:21.800
knowledge about Joey's life. I mean, I guess that only works if they

527
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.800
wanted to give up the impression that
Joey parked the car there, which is

528
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:29.639
certainly possible. But again, if
you can't have any proof that she's still

529
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.159
alive, then that ruse isn't going
to work. So do you think it

530
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:37.639
could have been one of Alexis's friends
who knew about the couple and maybe had

531
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:44.119
some desire to her Joey or manipulate
Joey or something like that, And because

532
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.760
she is angry at Alexis, maybe
one of the only people she knows is

533
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.119
a friend of his or an acquaintance
of theirs, and calls for help and

534
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:58.639
that's when they decide she's now vulnerable. Someone knew about the department compics,

535
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:04.719
and I'm with you, Alexis is
not completely dumb, you know. Would

536
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.119
you really drive it to an apartment
complex you shared with her and be like,

537
00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:12.239
Oh, that's so weird, it's
in my old apartment. It seems

538
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.800
more like they were set up the
question though, So if this is say

539
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.440
it was Alexis, and say it
took him a whole week to come up

540
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.639
with how he was going to dispose
of this evidence and try to construct a

541
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:29.079
theory if he was trying to make
it look like Joey was responsible, for

542
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.960
Alex's death, and he wanted to
make it look like she ran away and

543
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.280
she was going to like, you
know, dump her vehicle somewhere and then

544
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.159
kind of go from there. He
might not have thought how that was going

545
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.079
to affect him. Adversely, the
you know, the vehicle being dumped there,

546
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.760
how it could have been tied to
him. He may have just thought,

547
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:52.559
like, she has a disability,
she's going to go to a familiar

548
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.360
place. This was a familiar place
for her, and so that's why she

549
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:59.679
left the vehicle there. Oh yeah, that makes sense because I don't think

550
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:01.679
he was criminal mastermind. I mean, if he was the one responsible for

551
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:05.079
this, it took him a week, and he was moving the car back

552
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:08.079
and forth and wasting so much time
because he probably didn't have any idea what

553
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.960
to do and was trying to formulate
a plan. And the fact that we

554
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.800
found out just recently that he was
indicted in a methamphetamine ring several years later

555
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:20.760
shows that he's probably not the brightest
guy in the world. That's fair.

556
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.760
However, it must be said that
investigators looked into Alexis' movements throughout that week,

557
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.679
and his story did seem to check
out. Phone records showed that he

558
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:35.119
called Joey numerous times, and witnesses
backed up his claims that he visited her

559
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.760
house on multiple occasions. Even if
all this stuff was a charade in order

560
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:44.760
for Alexis to divert suspicion away from
himself, it doesn't sound like police found

561
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:49.400
any noticeable holes in his story or
red flags to indicate that he was lying

562
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.079
about anything. You might recall that
Alexis left a note for Joey the last

563
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:58.119
time that he visited the house,
on July eleventh, informing her that if

564
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.400
she did not contact him by the
follow gay, he would go to the

565
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:05.400
police. This note was found at
the scene when the house caught fire.

566
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.519
Though, if you believe alexus Is
guilty, you could infer that he wrote

567
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.239
this in order to make himself look
like a concerned boyfriend and provide an excuse

568
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.840
for why he didn't go to the
police until after the fire. However,

569
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.920
if another person was responsible for what
happened to Joey, they could have returned

570
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.119
to the house and found Alexis's note
and learned that the police were about to

571
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.159
become involved. In response, the
perpetrator decided to commit arson and set fire

572
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.639
to Joey's house in the middle of
the night in order to destroy potential evidence.

573
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:39.599
But if someone else did this,
who could it have been. I

574
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:43.000
think it has to be someone who
she met online. I don't know.

575
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:45.039
But then how would they take her
car to that place. They wouldn't know

576
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:51.960
that place unless she had mentioned it. Why, right, I don't know

577
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.760
the car at the apartment complex links
it back to Alexis, either directly or

578
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:02.639
indirectly someone who knows Alexis and Joey. That is a very weird space.

579
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.679
I could see where you guys were
saying Alexis could have parked it there,

580
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:12.159
saying, hey, Joey fled,
Joey went to this familiar place. But

581
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.320
I the note being seen because it
feels like this person was existing in her

582
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:21.639
space. They were driving her car, they were, you know, kind

583
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:24.199
of going back and forth in kind
of this chaotic manner, saying what am

584
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:28.599
I going to do with these bodies
at this point? And that letter that

585
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:30.679
says we're about to call the police. I never even thought about that.

586
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:35.000
That could have absolutely caused someone to
go no, no, no, no,

587
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.519
no, Now is the time I'm
going to destroy the evidence and get

588
00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:40.960
rid of Joey. I could see
it either way though, Like it could

589
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:47.360
be that why they looked into Alexis'
alibi and he was known to have been

590
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.679
there, you know, people saw
him. Was he also moving the car?

591
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.159
Was that part of it too?
Was he putting up these notes because

592
00:41:54.159 --> 00:42:00.199
it was part of, you know, this grander plan to eventually just those

593
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.840
of the evidence and to point the
fingers that maybe she ran away or whatever

594
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:08.760
the case, that somebody else did
this. I could definitely go either way

595
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:13.960
that he's responsible and this was a
big plan, or that he was just

596
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:19.400
very unfortunate and it just looks guilty
because of where the car is discovered,

597
00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:22.679
you know, and Jules, you
said something really powerful before. You're like,

598
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.400
he seems so genuine and like so
heartbroken over the loss of his baby.

599
00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:31.000
Yeah, what if he you know
the scenario where you said he walks

600
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:37.119
in Joey has you know, accidentally
killed the baby or the baby has tied

601
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.440
and he's it's so mad at her
because he's been warning her like you clearly

602
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.239
don't know how to parent or you're
not being a good mom, and he

603
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:49.280
snaps and kills her. I could
see it being one of these things where

604
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.079
even like not consciously wanting to go
there to hurt her, but reacting and

605
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:58.320
snapping and then having to cover his
tracks. He would still have a deceased

606
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:04.079
child who he is now grieving,
right, so that emotion could be very

607
00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:07.719
raw and very real, And even
for Joey, he could be like,

608
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.079
shoot, I didn't mean to kill
her, like I hit her or pushed

609
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.840
her or something like that. I
did not mean to kill her and could

610
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:20.679
feel incredible remorse. And that would
make sense where the apartment complex comes into

611
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:23.039
play. Sixteen miles away, in
the car's part, he would be making

612
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:29.239
the right moves, calling, leaving
the note, and oddly showing up to

613
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.280
report her as they're confirming her house
has been burned down. It's all very

614
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:38.719
weird. Had he gone eight hours
earlier to the police department, they would

615
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:45.199
have arrived in an unburned you know, a non fire scene. And so

616
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.519
it does cast a lot of suspicion
on Alexis. But it has to be

617
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:54.840
someone to me who's linked to Joey
and or Alexis, because there's too much

618
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:00.800
knowledge, too many things that say
that person was invited into this home and

619
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.360
things went bad. Yes, the
alternate possibility is that when Joy was living

620
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.320
at that apartment complex, if she
became friends or acquainted with someone during that

621
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:12.840
time there, and that person still
kept in touch with her or knew where

622
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:15.599
she lived, and then it could
have been like a lazy thing where it's

623
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:19.559
like this person commits the crime and
then drives back to his own apartment complex

624
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.079
where he's still living and leaves the
car there. But I'd like to think

625
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:25.480
that police did look into the tenets
of that apartment to see if any of

626
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.840
them had any connections to Joey.
Well, it's very tempting to believe that

627
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.440
Joy might have been harmed by someone
she met on the internet. Remember,

628
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.760
there was already one documented case of
Joey interacting with the guy she met online

629
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.800
who convinced her to send him photographs
of herself and was attempting to lure her

630
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.440
into doing pornography. Since Joy was
described as being a naive and trusting person,

631
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:51.920
she could have made herself an easy
target for a sexual predator had potentially

632
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:55.280
crossed pass with someone who murdered both
her and her infant son. But the

633
00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:00.320
main problem with this theory is that
Joey's Internet service was cut off at her

634
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.920
house a month before her disappearance due
to non payment. Sure, Joey still

635
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.320
could have met someone online before that, but investigators did check her hard drive

636
00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:13.840
and didn't find any evidence that she'd
recently been interacting with anyone who might have

637
00:45:13.880 --> 00:45:16.559
taken advantage of her. Of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility that

638
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:21.559
Joy met someone offline who did her
harm. It could have been as something

639
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.599
as simple as a dangerous stranger knocking
on her front door and enjoy being so

640
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:30.280
trusting that she let them into her
house. One detail were unclear on is

641
00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:34.960
whether there were any signs of forced
entry at the residence. When Alexis visited

642
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:37.519
the house throughout the week, he
claimed he could go inside because the place

643
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.639
was locked and he didn't have a
key. But of course, when the

644
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.159
fire department was summoned to the scene, I'm sure they probably forced their way

645
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.920
inside and made it a lot more
difficult to determine if there was a prior

646
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.920
break in. If there were any
more confirmed sightings of Joy and Lex in

647
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.159
the week preceding the fire, I
might be more inclined to think this was

648
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:59.920
the work of a random perpetrator who
entered the home set fire to the play

649
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.679
and abducted Joy from the scene inside
her own vehicle before disposing of her body.

650
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:07.679
However, the fact that Joy was
missing for an entire week and may

651
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:13.400
possibly been dead that entire time leads
me to suspect this crime was a lot

652
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:17.320
more calculated and personal in nature.
It had to be personal. Who else

653
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:21.639
would know about the apartment complex.
I know that's so silly, like it

654
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.880
seems like such a small detail,
but to me, her car being placed

655
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:30.960
there is critical. It means someone
had a conversation with her, that that

656
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:34.320
place mattered, that she had once
been there, that it was a place

657
00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:39.280
of familiarity. It could not just
be a person off the street who has

658
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:45.280
no connection to Alexis and or Joey, because they would not know about that

659
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.119
location unless they forced Joey to drive
somewhere, which I think is a very

660
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:54.039
rare possibility. Then it has to
be someone who knew them. I think

661
00:46:54.079 --> 00:47:00.199
it could be a person from the
internet, because oftentimes think back, this

662
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:05.880
is a teenager functioning online. This
is the way she mentally works. She's

663
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.119
about fourteen. It would be very
common for a teenager to say, oh,

664
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.320
you're so nice, you made me
feel so good. This is my

665
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.639
phone number, let's talk, and
to have that person call you. So

666
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:20.079
now you have a direct phone number, you don't need the Internet, and

667
00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:22.039
you can confide in them and talk
to them throughout the night and have them

668
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:28.679
tell you how great you are.
Traffickers and predators, they will wait weeks

669
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:32.400
and months and build a relationship with
someone to come and hurt them. Right,

670
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:37.320
it doesn't have to be this quick
process. So I could see them

671
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.159
getting that kind of information and saying, oh, I'll be able to stage

672
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:45.280
it at this apartment. But I
mean, you guys aren't wrong. Alexis

673
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:51.159
becomes this person who it makes the
most sense, but there's a lot of

674
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.519
questions that make it impossible to really
point a light at Alexis and say,

675
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.639
oh, wait, you had something
to do with it. We just don't

676
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.039
know. I agree with you,
Ash. I also don't think it's a

677
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:07.639
coincidence that Joey's abandoned Saturn was found
parked an apartment complex in State College where

678
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:13.000
she lived four years earlier. Like
this could imply that Joey drove there herself,

679
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:16.199
but the way the driver's seat was
positioned and the uncharacteristic way that she

680
00:48:16.400 --> 00:48:21.920
neatly backed into that parking space.
It created a lot of suspicion that Joey

681
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.239
did not leave the car there.
So the alternate explanation is that the Saturn

682
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:30.880
was deliberately abandoned at that location in
order to give off the false impression that

683
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:34.880
Joey drove there. But how many
people would have known that Joey once lived

684
00:48:34.880 --> 00:48:37.920
in that particular apartment complex, like
we keep asking, well, this is

685
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.960
another detail which might point to the
obvious suspect, like, ashe just said,

686
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.440
being Alexis, since he and Joey
once lived there together. But there

687
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:52.400
are issues with this theory. Granted, I can't account for Alexis's whereabouts during

688
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:57.039
the time period Joey went missing,
and I don't know how thoroughly police looked

689
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.039
into his alibi. But State College
is about an hour and a half drive

690
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:06.800
from Sikesville and an hour's drive away
from Alexis' home in Clearfield. So if

691
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:10.079
Alexis drove the Saturn all the way
to State College to abandon it, how

692
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:15.119
did he get back home? Genius
point? I don't know, But I

693
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.840
love when we're talking and we're saying, you know, the police cleared him

694
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:21.840
or weren't able to clear him?
And we don't know where he was.

695
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:25.800
We don't know when to ask him
where he was. He needs to tell

696
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:30.039
us where he was for ten days
or eight days. And if that's the

697
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:35.639
case, even I wouldn't be able
to be cleared in something because I can't

698
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.159
recall twenty four seven what I was
doing, where I was and have proof

699
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:45.880
for that. So there's the police
will never be able to account for anybody's

700
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:52.320
story who's linked this case because I
don't know is it Monday? I need

701
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.039
to know where you were? Is
it Monday through Wednesday? I need to

702
00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.840
know where you were, Is it
you know, Friday? Like I am

703
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:02.000
very confused as to what I even
asking you to tell me about. It's

704
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:07.840
unclear when exactly Joy's vehicle wound up
in that apartment complex parking lot, but

705
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.320
one of the residents was certain they
saw it there on July the thirteenth,

706
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:15.679
and possibly as early as the twelfth. We have witnesses who could confirm it

707
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:20.199
was parked outside Joy's house at around
three am on the twelfth, and Alexis's

708
00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:23.559
whereabouts are accounted for later that same
day because he went to the police station

709
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:29.000
to file a missing person's report before
he was informed about the fire. So

710
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.960
assuming that the eyewitness sighting of the
Saturn being in State College on the twelfth

711
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:37.000
is accurate, that means Alexis would
have had to set fire too Joy's house

712
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:39.280
in the middle of the night,
driven her car sixty five miles to the

713
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:45.440
apartment complex to abandon it, and
then somehow traveled forty miles back to Clearfield

714
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.000
before he went to see the police
later that day. I mean, it's

715
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:52.079
theoretically possible, but Alexis either would
have needed an accomplice to give him a

716
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:58.159
ride back home, or he somehow
secured alternate transportations such as a taxi without

717
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.840
leaving a paper trail. And even
mind, this guy was also watching over

718
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:05.079
two kids at the time, one
of whom was Joyce to a year old

719
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.960
daughter. So how exactly could Alexis
have done all this traveling around without anyone

720
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:14.280
noticing he was missing? But I
guess the big question is who else besides

721
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.840
Alexis knew about the significance of that
apartment complex. I don't know. Every

722
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:22.159
time I leaned towards Alexis being the
most likely perpetrator, I started thinking about

723
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:25.800
how everything would have played out,
And there's just so much that doesn't fit.

724
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.519
I think we can do this with
a lot of cases where you say,

725
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.480
I'm going to give you a name
and then you tell me how they

726
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.079
could be linked to this. Right, is it possible, Yes, it

727
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.079
is possible. It's Sherry, it
is possible, it's Alexis. It's possible

728
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:45.480
it was a stranger. But when
you center on somebody, right, like,

729
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.760
so, if we're talking about could
this be Alexis, oh my gosh,

730
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:51.199
like I'm doing the same thing you're
doing, Robin, I go like,

731
00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:54.559
yeah, Alexis looks very suspicious.
A lot of things fit Alexis.

732
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:59.960
But then you're right if you're open, which is what a lot of wrongful

733
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:05.320
conviction cases or cases that don't get
solved. It's because there's a refusal to

734
00:52:05.360 --> 00:52:08.800
open your eyes to the other side
that there's also factors that don't quite fit.

735
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.119
And I'm okay with that. Right. That means I can't roll him

736
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.079
out, but I can't really point
the finger at him either. It's important

737
00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:22.079
to keep your eyes on both sides
of the story. Alexis pros that he

738
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.360
did it, cons that he did
it. That's the right way to investigate

739
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:29.800
a case. So often we don't
see that you'll have someone target, let's

740
00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.639
say Alexis in this case, and
at the end of the day, I

741
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:37.639
can't solve this case. But you
also didn't open your eyes up to any

742
00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.360
other possibility, right, You've got
such tunnel vision that you ruined the case.

743
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.039
So I'm doing the same thing.
Every time you'll talk, I'm like,

744
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.239
yeah, that fits Alexis, and
then we'll talk a few more minutes

745
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:49.639
and I go, yeah, there's
no way Alexis could do it. So

746
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.480
I think that's the best way we
could be talking about this story. In

747
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.360
all respect to Alexis, if he's
innocent, your name needs to be discussed,

748
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.480
and in all respect to Sherry in
the only if he's guilty, his

749
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.599
name needs to be discussed. Yeah, this is definitely the part that bothers

750
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.800
me the most about Alexa's being involved. Is just trying to figure out how

751
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.880
he would have done it and wound
up at this location and made it back

752
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:15.280
home, Like who would be watching
over his kids while he does all this.

753
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.400
I'm sure someone would notice if he
disappeared in the middle of the night

754
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.679
and took an unexplained road trip,
And I'm thinking that police probably checked in

755
00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:25.199
to try to find out his whereabouts, like where he was on this particular

756
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.440
night. So I'm thinking that if
there were more holes in his story,

757
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.159
then the police would have said So
I'm just going to play devil's advocate for

758
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.039
a second here. We know that
he's been indicted on this methamphetamine ring,

759
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:44.239
so and we also thought that it
was possible that he wasn't addict and that

760
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:46.840
there were some drugs in his past. So perhaps he did have some friends

761
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:51.840
that were more on the dodgy side, and maybe they would help him do

762
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.360
a favor like that and they wouldn't
speak to law enforcement. It is a

763
00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.639
potential that that scenario could have played
out because we don't know when this all

764
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:05.360
happened and what days the car was
moved, if he was brought back,

765
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:08.159
or if he was maybe picked up. Maybe a friend followed behind him was

766
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.639
like, Hey, I need to
ditch this vehicle. You know, no

767
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.559
questions asked, you know, just
don't talk to the police, don't tell

768
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:16.960
anybody you were here, and at
the time, maybe somebody else was watching

769
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.559
the kids. It's just we don't
know how well the police went into Alexis's

770
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:30.440
circle and asked different people questions to
basically corroborate the alibi that he gave.

771
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.119
Yes, we know that he put
those notes on the door and that those

772
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:37.840
parts of his alibi checked out,
But because of that, do we think

773
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.119
that all other parts don't need to
be investigated. It's just difficult when we

774
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:49.639
don't know exactly how deep they went
into proving or disproving the alibi exactly.

775
00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:52.239
I mean, back in two thousand
and seven, I had no idea if

776
00:54:52.239 --> 00:54:55.199
Alexis would have had any criminal associates. But now that I find out he

777
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:59.519
was indicted for a meth ring in
two twenty, I'm now double thinking,

778
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:02.880
like maybe he knew some sketchy characters
back then who would have been capable of

779
00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.719
assisting him and covering up a crime. You also have to remember that if

780
00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:14.079
Alexis was responsible for murdering Joey,
he also might have been responsible for killing

781
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.480
his own six week old infant son. And even if Joey was the one

782
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:22.880
who killed the child and Alexis reacted
by killing her, he still would have

783
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:27.079
to go through the process of committing
arson and setting fire to a house with

784
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:31.559
his son's body inside, which is
incredibly cold hearted. Whatever issues Alexis might

785
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:36.000
have had with Joey. He already
had a two year old daughter with her,

786
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.280
so what motive would he have to
get rid of alex If Alexis was

787
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.960
guilty, I can see him feigning
concern for a few days by making a

788
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.119
bunch of phone calls and visiting Joey's
house a few times to pretend to look

789
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:51.840
for her. But why keep up
the charade for an entire week? If

790
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.000
there was crucial evidence in the house
that needed to be torched, why wait

791
00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:00.679
that long to do it. Alexis
probably would have made himself look less suspicious

792
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:04.119
if he had just set fire to
the house immediately after Joey was killed.

793
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.800
And it's pretty remarkable he could keep
the whole thing up without being caught Nettie

794
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.360
lies or substantial holes in his story. You're also going to have to remember

795
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:17.519
that if he were responsible for I
don't think he would have killed his baby.

796
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.199
I really don't. I could easily
see that Alexis would walk in the

797
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:25.119
baby is deceased from like we talked
about, maybe sudden infant death syndrome,

798
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:30.400
maybe drowning in a tub. I
could see him snapping and killing Joey.

799
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:36.360
But could he exist that entire week, knowing his baby is lying in a

800
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:42.079
tub, like not doing anything,
not wrapping that baby up, not loving

801
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.159
on that baby, not trying to
get that baby somewhere else, right,

802
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:51.400
Like, could he really be so
callous as to his own blood and baby

803
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:55.559
is sitting there and he just lets
the baby rot in this tub and then

804
00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:00.840
lights the baby on fire. Like
all of that seems like such disrespect in

805
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:06.360
like a lack of love for that
baby. So that's another reason why I'm

806
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:08.079
like, could he really do that? And could he walk out of that

807
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:14.280
house and not show any signs of
grief when he just found an infant child?

808
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.039
I don't that just would be really, really tough. He'd have to

809
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:22.639
be one of the most pathological,
narcissistic human beings, but they exist.

810
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:27.800
Yes, I wouldn't be curious to
know, like reactions from other people who

811
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.320
are around alexis that particular week,
Like did his son notice any red flags?

812
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.679
Did any of his relatives noticed that
he seemed really upset and grieving or

813
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:38.920
did he just come across as someone
who legitimately had no idea what's going on?

814
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:44.000
Because yeah, if your baby was
killed and you decided to murder your

815
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.159
spouse just to cover the whole thing
up, it be very difficult to keep

816
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:51.639
like a facade of being normal for
an entire week. Overall, I think

817
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:54.760
I lean more towards an unknown third
party being responsible for what happened, But

818
00:57:54.840 --> 00:58:00.760
since the investigation has never uncovered any
potential suspects, I have no idea who

819
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:04.679
this third party could be. I
say this quite often when I analyze cases

820
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.119
like this on podcasts, but I
can't help but think there's one crucial piece

821
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:10.360
of the puzzle missing in this story, which would shed a lot more light

822
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:14.880
on things I don't know. I
hate to accuse a missing person of being

823
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:19.280
responsible for something like this, but
part of me still wonders if Joey did

824
00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:23.280
cause Lex's death accidentally or otherwise and
turned to someone else for help, but

825
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:28.800
this person subsequently killed her and disposed
of her body. The only thing I

826
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.519
am certain about is that Joey is
no longer with us, But until her

827
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:36.239
remains can be found, I think
this one is destined to remain a baffling

828
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.039
mystery anyway. The website Joey's family
launched about her case is still up at

829
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:45.840
fine Joey dot org, though it
hasn't been updated since twenty fourteen. But

830
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:49.639
if you happen to have any information
about her case, they have a tipline

831
00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:53.719
you can call at one eight seven
seven four four zero Joey. That's one

832
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.760
eight seven seven four four zero five
six three nine, Or you can contact

833
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:04.800
the Pennsylvania State Police at eight one
four three seven one four six five two.

834
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.679
That's eight one four three seven one
four sixty five two, Jules.

835
00:59:08.800 --> 00:59:15.360
Actually, any final thoughts on this
case? Uh, it's such a sad,

836
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:20.960
tragic, frustrating case because we know
nothing. We don't know the cause

837
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:23.559
of the baby's death, we don't
know where Joey is, we don't have

838
00:59:23.639 --> 00:59:29.800
her body returned. What's really like
everyone knows us by now. So it's

839
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:34.639
but it's so important for me to
say that Joey's not that different from anybody

840
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.159
else that is in our life.
Right, any one of us could make

841
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:43.760
bad decisions that put us in risky
situations. A lot of mothers find themselves

842
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:49.280
overwhelmed. Within these are people without
intellectual disabilities, just overwhelmed and exhausted and

843
00:59:49.360 --> 00:59:54.079
don't know how to really parent in
a healthy way. And Joey is not

844
00:59:54.159 --> 01:00:00.239
only really accomplishing a lot by being
independent and living on her own. She's

845
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:06.159
raising three children, my goodness,
with a mental capacity of a fourteen year

846
01:00:06.199 --> 01:00:10.159
old. That is a miracle that
she is raising these kiddos. Any mother

847
01:00:10.239 --> 01:00:15.199
messes up, any mother makes bad
decisions, and so it takes one bad

848
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.920
decision to lose your child, right, and one mistake to lose your baby.

849
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:23.599
So even in the event that Joey
was in some way responsible, or

850
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:29.840
there was a sudden infant death syndrome
case, I would panic too, right,

851
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.320
And I can see where someone who
has a fourteen year old mentality would

852
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:37.320
reach out and beg someone for help, and maybe she turned to the wrong

853
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:39.840
person to help her and they took
advantage of her. That seems like something

854
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:45.239
Joey had dealt with quite often,
right, trusting the wrong people, needing

855
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:49.280
to be loved and validated, and
wanting to feel useful. And it could

856
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:52.360
have been one person that she crossed
the wrong path and she lost her life.

857
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:57.840
My heart breaks for Sherry. I
want Joey's body home so badly so

858
01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:00.000
it can be laid to rest next
to her child. I think that would

859
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:05.719
make incredible progress in the grieving process
for everyone. But at this point it's

860
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.159
one of those where because there's so
many question marks. How do you ever

861
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:15.960
rule in or out somebody in this
case. Yeah, that's pretty much my

862
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:20.400
closing thoughts as well, is you
really can't know either way. I tend

863
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.519
to lean towards it as somebody that
is known to her, just because of

864
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:30.239
the location of the car being at
that apartment building sixty miles away. But

865
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:35.280
whether or not Alexis is involved,
like I think, we've examined both sides

866
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.800
and I really can't say for sure. I just believe that it is somebody

867
01:01:37.880 --> 01:01:44.400
within her circle that knew her and
then knew about this apartment complex. It's

868
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:51.079
just so heartbreaking because it's really heartbreaking
because both of Joey's other children that she

869
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:55.079
one of them which she shared with
Alexis, and then the other one which

870
01:01:55.079 --> 01:02:00.280
had another father, the nine year
old, both of them grow up without

871
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:04.639
a mother, but they also grow
up without getting to know little lex and

872
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:09.400
that is so heartbreaking and also heartbreaking
for Sherry. And if alex isn't involved,

873
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:15.880
that's really heartbreaking for him as well. So there's just so much sadness

874
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:20.320
and so much grief and trauma associated
with this case that I really hope to

875
01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:25.119
God if anybody knows anything that they
will come forward and give information to law

876
01:02:25.239 --> 01:02:30.079
enforcement so that all of the people
that love Joey and little Lex can have

877
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:35.000
some answers in this case. Yeah, this is one of the more puzzling

878
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:37.679
missing persons cases of the modern era, and I am kind of surprised it's

879
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.920
not more well known. I mean, it was on Disappeared, which has

880
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.800
done a lot of high profile missing
persons cases, such as Moura Murray,

881
01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:50.039
but this isn't one of their cases
that is talked about that often, and

882
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:53.480
it should be because there are technically
two victims here, because yeah, Joey

883
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.119
who has gone missing, and we
have her son, Lex, who was

884
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:01.199
killed in a fire, and we
still don't know the connection between them,

885
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:06.039
like could Joey have killed Lex herself? And did someone else kill her in

886
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.159
response? And just the fact that
there are no theories in this case which

887
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.320
make any sense whatsoever, Like we've
come up with a lot of reasons to

888
01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:17.159
be suspicious about Alexis possibly being involved, but at the same time, there

889
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.840
are a lot of things that go
against it where you just can't figure out

890
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:23.480
the logistics of how he could have
pulled this off. And it's just such

891
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.639
a bizarre saga, and like Jules
just said, Joey had two other children,

892
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:30.639
and it's kind of remarkable to think
that sixteen years have passed, so

893
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:35.679
they're both technically grown adults, and
they have no answers about what happened for

894
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:38.320
their mother or their baby brother who
they never got a chance to know.

895
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:43.320
So it is just such a heartbreaking
case, and I think the best way

896
01:03:43.360 --> 01:03:46.280
to solve it is just for someone
who knows something to come forward, because

897
01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:51.719
we have a case with no evidence
left behind and no answers and two victims

898
01:03:51.719 --> 01:03:53.840
that definitely need justice. Robin,
do you want to tell us a little

899
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:58.599
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900
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901
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902
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904
01:04:15.760 --> 01:04:20.440
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905
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01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:48.159
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911
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:53.639
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912
01:04:53.679 --> 01:04:57.239
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