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You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio
Network, the best in paranormal talk radio

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in the UK and around the world. Hello world, you're listening to Eleanor

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Wagner's Strange and Scary world here on
the Paranormal UK Radio Network, where we're

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always creeping it real. I'm your
host, Eleanor Wagner. Welcome all to

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my paranormal Closet where the stories in
magic take place. My guest today has

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been fascinated by all things paranormal since
childhood, beginning with a UFO encounter he

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had at four years old. Because
of that experience, his life's passion has

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been to research, investigate, rite
and share extraterrestrial encounters from everyday people in

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a way that conveys the human element
of profoundly strange encounters. Please join me

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and welcoming author, upologist and paranormal
researcher. No more slavic. How's it,

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god Ry, Thank you so much
for joining me. Yeah, thanks,

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thanks for having me on. I
appreciate it. So you had a

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UFO encounter when you were four years
old? I did? Yeah, Yeah,

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let me get into it a little
bit here, yeah, please please

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do. So I had fallen asleep
and a loud bang woke me up in

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the middle of the night, and
being four years old the middle of the

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night, I don't know if that's
like ten PM or like three am,

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you know, Like I didn't know, but my eyes kind of popped open,

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and I just had no idea what
it was, and it kind of

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freaked me out a little bit.
So I was kind of looking around the

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room and listening to see if I
could figure out what it was. And

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then I started hearing these little light
taps on the window and I'm like,

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oh, that's rain. It's a
thunder and lightning storm. That must have

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been thunder that woke me up.
So I sat up in my bed to

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look out the window. And at
the time, I lived at the tip

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of Maine bordering Canada. You can
look across my window, look out my

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window and see Canada. If I
was outside, I could throw a rock

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and almost hit Canada. That's how
close I was. And between my house

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in Canada was the Saint John River, and I'm looking out the window and

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I can see the river and it's
kind of raging pretty good because there's a

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storm going on and the sky's lighting
up, and I can see the little

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things of electricity lightning going off,
and I'm like, yeah, this is

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awesome. So I'm kind of kneeling
up on my bed watching everything, and

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after a moment, I'm not really
sure how long there was this Really it's

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hard to explain, but like this
really obscene lightning bolt got stuck in the

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sky. Like if I were to
ask you to draw a lightning bolt,

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you would draw like this jagged yellow
line, like the charging indicator on your

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smartphone. That's what it looked like. That's what my memory tells me,

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is that it looked like a lightning
bolt and I got stuck in the sky

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or in a cloud or something,
and there was electricity coming off of it,

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and there was booms associated with it. And then I'm not sure what

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happened next. I guess I fell
asleep, because the next thing I know,

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I woke up in the morning,
and I didn't have my bearings about

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me. I just knew that I
had to go to the bathroom. So

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I got up, went to the
bathroom, and when I was done,

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walking from the bathroom back to my
room, I can see out my bedroom

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window and the lightning bolt was still
there. Yeah, and I was like,

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oh, yeah, that's crazy.
And again, I'm four years old,

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so I'm really thinking. But I
remember being really excited that it was

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still there, and it was kind
of all coming back to me. So

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I ran downstairs and I got my
dad and I brought him upstairs. Why

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we didn't go outside, you know, I don't know a four year old

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logic, but I brought him upstairs
to look out my window and it was

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gone, so I know. So
I tried explaining to him what it was,

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and I was telling him about the
storm the night before, and I

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must have been really excited because at
first he was kind of like pat in

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my head, He's like, yeah, okay, buddy, but I was.

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I was kind of really going and
going on about it. So we

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actually had to get down on my
level and put his hands on my shoulders

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and it was like, buddy,
it didn't even rain last night, Like,

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I don't know what you're talking about, okay, And I guess I

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kind of dropped it. But then
a couple of weeks later, my mom

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woke me up in the middle of
the night. Again. I don't know

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if that's ten PM or like three
am, but this is just a couple

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of weeks later, she wakes me
up, brings me downstairs, and starts

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dressing me in my winter clothes.
This is like April in Maine, and

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you know, you don't know if
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I'm getting like winter coat on and
all that stuff. I'm like, what's

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going on. I'm like half asleep, and I look over and I see

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my sister and she's all bundled up
and ready to go outside already, and

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so my dad kind of scoops me
up, and my mom grabs my sister's

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hands and we all go outside onto
our front lawn. And my head is

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just buried in my dad's jacket and
chest because it's freezing, and he's like,

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buddy, you gotta look up,
you gotta look up. And I

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finally take my head out of his
chest and I look up, and it's

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the first and only time I've seen
the northern lights. And I think,

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at such a young age, seeing
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Aurora borealis two weeks later instilled in
me at such a young age that weird

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stuff happens in the sky and I
should probably pay attention. And it wasn't

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until I was like a teenager when
I thought back about the lightning bolt,

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and I was like, that might
have been the first time I ever experienced

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a UFO. In my young mind, I guess saw it as a lightning

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bolt or you know whatever the hell. You know, young minds due to

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process something we don't understand. But
that's what happened. That was my first

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experience with the unknown or the stranger, if you will. All Right,

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so you say that was your first
experience, which means that you've had others

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since. That's true. Yeah,
it's really been a lifetime and it's because

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I pursue it. Like I don't
think I'm special in any way. I

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don't think I've been chosen or anything. I don't feel as though I've ever

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been abducted or anything like that.
But I'm just always looking up. So

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I noticed things that need to be
some other people wouldn't. So I'd say

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since four years old. I'm forty
five now, so since four years old,

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I've probably seen I think I'm up
to like sixteen UFOs I've seen in

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my lifetime, and that's a lot, and some of them it could have

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been something else. When I say
UFO, I quite literally mean the acronym

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unidentified flying that has since become synonymous
with extraterrestrial, which is a big reason

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why the government is using UAP as
opposed to UFO, you know, so

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that stigma isn't there. But anyway, so I've seen sixteen of them,

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and I'd say maybe ten of them
could have been something else that I just

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couldn't identify in the moment, but
there's a good six of them where I'm

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pretty sure I saw some sort of
craft from another world, which sounds crazy

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to say, but the same or
did they look different? Because I know

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they were all different. There's so
many people's descriptions of the objects and beings

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as described by abductees that they encounter
differ from each other, they shape,

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size and all that. Yeah,
yeah, they definitely all differed from each

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other. I think there's only two
of them that were daytime and the two

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daytime ones. One was like a
cylinder or cigar type shape and it was

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silver. And then another time,
and this was probably five years before the

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cylinder one, I saw a silver
ball. It was quite obviously a ball

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like a sphere. You could see
the roundness to it, and again it

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was silver and almost like a Christmas
ornament, and it was kind of interesting

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how I saw it it was there
and that it wasn't. I was working

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a different job at the time,
and I had a work vehicle and I

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got out of my work vehicle and
just haphazardly looked up and I saw the

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silver ball hovering over the river that's
in the town that I was in,

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and I was like, whoa,
look at that. And I'm kind of

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walking past the vehicle now I'm like, that's pretty crazy. I look back

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just to make sure I'm not going
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and I actually need to go to
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I'm just turning to the other side
of the vehicle now and I look up

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again and it's gone. And I
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I was kind of staring in the
sky at where it was and then I'm

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like, oh, it's gone.
That's crazy. Wow. And it was

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just quite obviously a silver ball,
and it was hovering, it was silent,

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and it was it was fairly it
was fairly high up there. It

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wasn't celestial high. It was if
there was a cloud cover, I would

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have been under the cloud cover,
but it was pretty high up there.

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Though. It's terrible when you can't
get somebody else to be a witness to

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it. When I saw one of
my from where I live in my development,

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it was pretty empty and not too
many houses when we first moved here,

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and I remember seeing something this was
in the daytime on the horizon and

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thinking I'm going crazy, like am
I really seeing this? And I got

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on the phone and I called my
neighbor and I said, look, cat,

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you window and tell me if you
see anything. And she was able

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to see the same thing I did, which was cool. Nice. Yeah,

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But when when my kids were at
Nights Women, my two daughters and

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their friend were at Nights Women,
and they come running in the house,

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Mom, we just saw a flying
saucer, and of course they dragged him

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my ass out there, and of
course by the time I get there,

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it's gone. And what I did
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house and I stacked them each in
different areas of the house, gave them

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paper and pencil, and said draw
what you saw. So you got this

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for four and a half year four
four and a half year old drawing her

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interpretation of what she saw, and
then the eight year olds the two eight

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year olds, and the pictures were
identical. But it was crazy cool because

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it's like these kids either imagined in
the mind the same thing or they actually

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all saw the same thing enough,
and it would be harder to believe that

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they all imagine the same thing and
didn't publize it to each other. Correct,

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And you think this is a spontaneous
moment and they all go, oh

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my god, let's go get them
on. I mean, they didn't have

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enough time to sit there and coordinate
their thoughts about what they were they were

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seeing. They just saw it and
came running into the house. So I

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mean, if they had a day
to talk about it, then I would

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have said, but this was right
in the moment of right after it happened,

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So I tend to believe that they
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Sure, what state was that in? In New Jersey? In Sussex

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County? Yeah, Wow, we
get a lot. We get a lot

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of stuff going on over here because
I have a paranormal team and a lot

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of them like to UFO watched too. And one of my friends kind of

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lives up on a mountain and he's
always catching something on his phone, Like

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he'll be out there and he'll see
it and he'll be like okay, and

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he'll get you that and he'll post
it and he'll go, this is glad.

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I want a night. And when
I was writing my first book,

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it was supposed to be just about
ghost stories, local ghost stories that people

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were sharing with me their encounters.
And then I was getting all these people

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coming to me about their UFO encounters
and their Bigfoot encounters, and I'm thinking,

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all right, so how am I
gonna get this into a ghost book?

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So I said it was Sussex County
hauntings and other strange phenomena. This

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way I could get all those UFO
stories and Bigfoot stories into that one book.

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And it was great because they were
They were a large chapter to the

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book because so many people have seen
things and have had encounters, and I

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do definitely believe it. I don't
know if you saw recently in the last

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few days in the news they have
nine one one call like this whole neighborhood

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of people, the Las Vegas stuff. Yeah, kind of similar to like

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what happened in the Berkshires. The
whole town was experiencing something calling nine one

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one back in the sixties or seventies, was it? And here was this

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this town in Las Vegas, and
they were all calling nine one one,

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and everybody was coming out and saying, this is what we saw, and

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even the cop cameras got something strange
on the camera. What are your thoughts

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about that? Do you think this
is just one huge fake thing or do

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you think it actually happened. Well, my thoughts have kind of changed as

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more things come out, which is
unfair. I think that's how thoughts should

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happen. They change as you get
more information. And I would say initially

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I was like, I can't believe
a story like this is being reported in

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getting out into the mainstream where you're
talking about eight and ten foot tall alien

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creatures running around, Like that's crazy. That's stuff that I'm researching to write

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my book, and it's obscure and
probably never been published before. And it's

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a fascinating story that I want to
retell and hopefully I can find a witness

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and talk to him. But this
is like a mainstream story. Now.

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Then I understood that the news outlet
that was reporting this is the one that

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George Knapp works for in George Knapp
is somebody that's been in the UFO in

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ufology for decades and he has since
been has connected with Jeremy Corbell and they

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do a podcast together called Weaponized.
But George Knapp he was the first guy

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to bring out Bob Lazzar back when
Bob Lazar was anonymous, you know,

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to begin with, all of that
was George Knapp and Skinwalker Ranch. All

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of that was George Knapp and his
other colleagues. So the news station and

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George Knapp, all while doing this
UFO stuff, is also an investigative journalist

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with this news channel, local news
channel in Las Vegas, and he still

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works there as an investigative journalist there, and so he actually broke that story

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on the news channel. And I
have been such a huge fan of George

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Knapp for decades. He had we're
talking Skinwalker Ranch, Bob Lazar. These

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are things that I've read about when
I was young, you know what I

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mean, Fascinated by for years now. I don't always believe everything, but

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fascinated by it. But he and
Jeremy over the last I don't know,

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since maybe twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, always seem to be in the right

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place at the right time to get
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that makes me not trusted as much, you know what I mean. But

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that's not to say, like,
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think he's a teenager, maybe he's
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stuff on his social media about this
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really seems genuine. And there's also
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these aliens. But like, where
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Like why it's so forget the whole
Georgian napp thing and forget the Jeremy

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Corbell thing. Let's just go into
this is such extraordinary claims. Where is

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the extraordinary evidence which they say they
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Like that it should also be followed
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gotten is a nine one one call
and the police chest cam of seeing what

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looks to me like a medior going
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It happens on the same night that
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crazy. So those are my running
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with I really want to believe it. I really am. Well, you

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know, I'm hearing all this stuff
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that something's going down because the government's
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exist and publicly discussing it. Well, they're not life for everyone on earth

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will ever be changed. The government
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haven't done that yet. They're getting
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of this stuff that they're releasing,
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that's been ultimately frustrating for me as
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can't imagine because there's tons of people
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happen, and I can only imagine
how and saying the frustrating that must be

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for the disclosure people, or I
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that were exposed to certain instances are
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what they experienced, which for me
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no reason for thing to come out
come out with that, it's almost like

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they want to say here it's true. They say it's not, but it

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happens to me, and it's kind
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credentials that they have, in the
backgrounds that they have, and some of

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the footage that has come forward from
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you're right, it's impossible to dismiss. And you know, I've been a

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believer, I think since four years
old, so this has been really an

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amazing time to be a researcher.
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of it in the mainstream. But
with anything that does get put out into

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the mainstream, there will be people
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advantage of that. And that's where
you also have to be, I guess,

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aware of your surroundings and understand the
nuances in the different stories. Don't

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just read headlines, read the whole
article. And not only that, the

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power of mone on technology and all
the things that they can do to photoshop

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and create I mean, I've seen
some pretty crazy videos that have happened in

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the last few years where they've said
this is what this person said, and

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you see the actual footage that he
didn't and it's kind of like, Okay,

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what's going on here. It's somebody
that's really good at fixing things on

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video footage. Yeah, yeah,
and so you know, and that's that's

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been happening since the inception of upology
with you know, hoax videos and hoax

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pictures. You know, started with
hoax stories really and then turned into hoax

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pictures and now we're doing the hoax
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With AI, it just it looks
real and you don't know what is

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and what isn't and yeah, what's
interesting though, I guess if something is

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really clear, he can probably count
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K phone cameras now, and if you've

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ever tried to take a picture of
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even during the day, it's tough
to get a clean, non blurry or

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non pixelated picture of it, you
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it's really hard to do. So, you know, that's why I think

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some of the stuff that's coming out
and you're seeing some of not the best

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type of quality. Those are probably
the ones you want to focus on a

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bit more. But the hoaxes are
also know that, so they all tried

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to pixel and effects though it's all
a crapshore. I end up saying people

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when they say something to me,
like why should I believe you, and

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I'm like, I really don't care
if you do or not. If I've

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experienced talking about that's that's my experience. I'm willing to share it with you.

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Take it for what it's worth.
If you think it's entertainment, that's

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fine. I believe it happened to
me. It happened to me. I

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experienced it. Whether you believe it
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where I'm at. That's where I'm
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I've interviewed hundreds of people, and
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ninety percent of the time, maybe
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time I believe that they believe it, and that's good enough for me.

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I want to believe a genuine experiencer
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I can interview them in person,
that's one of my favorite things because I

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can really look at their body language. I can hear the tone in their

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voice and yeah yeah. But sometimes
they don't want to and I can only

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interview them over messenger or something,
and that's fine too. So that's where

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you have to try to ask as
many questions as possible, to the point

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of being annoying. But what I've
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to be a kind, non judgmental
year and to treat those people with respect

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because it's all about it. It's
all about the experiencer, and it's not

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for anybody else to decide what they
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sexual assault or something. It's not
up to anybody else what happened to them

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and how they should feel. It's
if it's up to them. And and

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what we what we are responsible for, is our reaction to them, and

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I feel like it should be kind
and in our phisitions, we're there to

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acknowledge them and tell their story.
I deal with the same thing with the

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paranormal and ghost stories, when people
are afraid that they're going to be ridiculed

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for opening up to me. And
some of these people have never told their

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story and are coming and they're sharing
it with me. Now, I want

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to give them that respect and say, look, I believe you and we're

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sharing it with the world and it's
okay. Yeah yeah, So definitely you

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definitely are doing it the right way
because and it also helps people to feel

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comfortable and open up to you more. I mean, I did a chapter

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on near death experiences and I was
kind of like a person a friend on

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the page Facebook page. It's kind
of like how I get a lot of

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people involved in chapters that I'm working
on, and a lot of them were

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afraid to talk to an outsider.
They were on this page because they wanted

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to share their experience with other near
death experiences. So we're not me.

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This writer comes in and say,
look, I'm writing about near death experiences.

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If you'd like me to share your
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When they actually came out and shared
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they'd ever spoken to an outsider and
it was such a profound and personal thing

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for them. And I feel this
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a UFO encounter, and like you
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It's the same thing. They are
opening up to you. They don't

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want to be ridiculed. They're sharing
their experience and it is such a profound

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personal thing. I end up having
lifelow and friendships with these people now after

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writing their stories. And I take
it seriously, I really do. It's

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to take it constantly and seriously absolutely, and I feel that's the right way

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to do it too, I think, especially in ufology, but it's also

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what I'm most experienced in. But
I think ufologists or writers of UFO stories

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have done such a disservice over the
years to experiencers where they're just trying to

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get that nugget of a story and
then get there and then forget the experiencer.

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And without naming names, there's just
I've had some of the books in

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my library and those aren't books that
I want to have anymore, and I

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don't because it's about everything we've been
talking about. Treating the experience or with

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respect is what it comes down to
you. And kind of funny with one

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of my books, other Worldly Encounters, I kind of had the opposite issue

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that you were having with your book
in paranormal stories and ufone crypto stuff.

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I had UFO stories and I'm like, oh, where can I fit in

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these really cool, crypted and some
haunted stories that I have After well,

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well, instead of calling the book
something with UFOs, it's called a Worldly

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Encounters to try to he you guy, you know, encapsulate everything. Kind

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of funny, funny paras good stories. They're so good. And I mean

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these stories were not I mean some
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Sure, it's the seventies, which
are great too, and I'm going to

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share them because they were great.
But there were something that happened in twenty

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nineteen, twenty twenty, and that's
here right there. Yeah, and it

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happened, and I can't deny it. And these are personal friends of mine

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that are telling me the stories.
I'm not gonna call them a liar,

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you know what I mean. And
actually one of my friends said, please

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change my name, don't let them
know that I'm telling you the story,

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because she didn't want people think she
was crazy. Sure, so it's definitely

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cool to hear about this stuff.
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what do you think is it from
a different dimension? These cryptids?

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Are they in or dimensional, because
it's so weird to have all of these

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encounters all around the world and say
that it doesn't happen right, right,

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And I can't deny the fact that
there has to be something. We just

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don't have a logical explanation for it
yet. Yeah. Yeah, And for

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me, over the years, my
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as I've heard stories and talk to
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of experiences. And for a while, or maybe when I was younger,

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before I was doing this professionally,
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and a chupacabra, we're all flesh
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hearing so many stories, especially a

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lot of Stan Gordon stories out of
Pennsylvania that have happened where there's just all

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these stories with Bigfoot disappearing or being
seen at the same and yes, and

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these dog man stories they seem to
kind of shimmer in and out of existence,

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and black eyed kids stories like the
oh that still scare me. Yea.

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The first time I heard about it, I was like, what,

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I'm hearing things that I never even
knew about like I had. I had

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a certain range of things that I
had heard about and grew up with and

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was interested in. Like you said, Nessie was a big book. But

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then all of a sudden, I'm
hearing about all this other stuff I'd never

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even heard about. And then you
hear these people telling you stories, and

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it's like, oh my gosh,
it's the whole world of things. I

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had no clue. There's crazy stuff
out there, and people are seeing and

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experiencing crazy things. And I think
you had said something similar earlier, but

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not all of them are making it
up. There's something's happening. I'm convinced

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of that. What it is,
I don't know. Even with UFOs and

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extraterrestrials and all that stuff, they're
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The one thing, it's so weird. When you've done a job for so

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long you feel like you've become an
expert at it. I become dumber.

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I think I have. I have
way more questions than answers, you know

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what I mean. I've been doing
it for twenty years. That's a good

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thing. Completely yeah, completely agree. I love that I don't know,

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and I have no problem telling an
experience or that I don't know. I'm

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so glad you shared with me.
I don't have any answers for you.

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I'm so sorry. But here's here's
another experience that's similar to yours that somebody

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else had. See You're not crazy, right, That's been really huge?

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That actually is? It definitely is. It definitely makes a difference if you

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don't. You may not realize how
huge that is, but it really does.

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It's like, oh my gosh,
I'm really not alone. And so

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if I'm crazy, then they're crazy
too. Yeah. Yeah, either way,

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it is comforting. It's comforting not
to be a pope. Yeah,

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what's your opinion of Project blue Book? Because I had a civilian Nick Frashy

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is his name. He's in his
eighties, like eighty six, eighty seven,

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and I interviewed I interviewed him on
his encounter at the want of Cue

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Damn back the sixties. He was
a police officer at the scene event incident,

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and he had a questionnaire sent to
him by doctor Allen Heineck. It

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was this huge packet to completely asking
what he saw. The questionnaire even left

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a spot to to our picture of
the object if he had seen it and

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they ended Project Blue Book. I
think it was like in nineteen seventy.

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But what is your opinion of that
whole department. I've looked at a lot

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of Project Bluebook files, and I
think the program was the people that were

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working on the program, like the
Heinex and Heinex people that were immediately around

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him and with him and helping him
with these investigations. I think they had

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the best of intentions. I mean, Project Bluebook is what turned Heineck into

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a believer, you know what I
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and he came into it as a
skeptic. So I think they had

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the best of intentions. What Project
bluebir turned into was a disinformation campaign by

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the people above Heinech, you know, the people that are above the president,

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the people we don't see, and
turning it into see We've we looked

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at twelve thousand reports and only two
yeah, only two percent of them.

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We're not sure because there's not many
reports that are finished or are closed as

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unknown. A lot of them have
some sort of explanation. It's a weird

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explanation, meaning they saw Jupiter,
they saw this, they saw anything that

407
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,279
it's not the UFO, so I
think it was a big disinformation campaign.

408
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:41,599
But looking at hundreds of Project blue
Book files, and I'm only looking at

409
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:45,559
the main ones because I'm working on
my main books, state the state of

410
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,920
main, so I can only imagine
California and all these other states that I

411
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,400
haven't even looked at. But just
looking at the main Project blue Book files,

412
00:29:55,279 --> 00:30:00,359
there are so many little notes off
the cuff, notes from this major

413
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,720
or this general I ranking officials.
It'll say weird question mark, or it'll

414
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:12,079
say tell the witness they saw twinkling
stars. Really interesting little side comments that

415
00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:15,759
you can look at and see that. Okay, they kind of think a

416
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:21,359
little bit more is happening. But
we've got to close this because the overall

417
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,799
agenda is to say UFOs don't exist. Now, you fast forward all the

418
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:30,160
way to twenty seventeen and Leslie Keene
and Bluementhal they get this huge article out

419
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,680
in the New York Times and its
it just throws a whole wrench, I

420
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,880
think, into the government's fighting UFOs
plan. So they have to come out

421
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,680
and be like, Okay, we've
been studying UFOs. We didn't stop with

422
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:47,960
Project blue Book. We have been
studying them, and I guess we're going

423
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,799
to continue to because all this Navy
stuff is coming out and everything. So

424
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,599
I feel like there's a little bit
of pulling teeth or wrenching of arms saying

425
00:30:56,599 --> 00:31:00,240
we've got to look into this because
I think the American people and people that

426
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:06,559
are in places of government who have
a belief yeah and other worldly stuff,

427
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:10,599
they are pushing their agenda a little
harder. So there's a little bit more

428
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,359
give and taken out, which is
great. But I don't think. I

429
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,799
don't care who's in charge in the
White House, I don't think we're ever

430
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:22,279
going to get the type of disclosure
that people are looking for unless it's Yeah,

431
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,640
unless it's some sort of crazy and
this is getting into conspiracy stuff,

432
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,039
which I can have a real fun
time going down a rabbit hole and thinking

433
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,359
of all these things, you know, and having fun with it. But

434
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,799
I don't necessarily believe them. But
unless there's some sort of crazy UFO attack

435
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,519
that they're going to plan that is
a fake invasion of some sort to distract

436
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,319
us from a B or C or
whatever they don't want us to know about.

437
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,000
They've been talking about, they meaning
conspiracy theorists, have been talking about

438
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:55,079
that the sixties, but it hasn't
happened yet. But it feels like if

439
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,599
it's going to happen at any point
in time, now is the time when

440
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,880
it's so in the mainstream. And
now there's a mainstream story about eight and

441
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,640
ten foot tall aliens running around Las
Vegas. Seems maybe we are inching towards

442
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:14,559
some some sort of planned fake invasion
or a real one. You know,

443
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,720
I don't know what, I don't
know how true it isn't that, but

444
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,839
I was heard it from somewhere that
Heineck actually had the book that he put

445
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
out that debunked everything, because that's
what he was told to do. But

446
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,400
he also kept another journal that said
this is what really happened. And I

447
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:35,359
think that had actually even based a
recent show or a documentary is something on

448
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:40,279
that version of what he felt was
real. Yeah, yeah, and I

449
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:45,799
believe it was. I always forget
numbers, but you know, it's two,

450
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,160
three, or like five percent of
the original files he kept and had

451
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,759
a big belief in and continue to
investigate on his own, which is really

452
00:32:53,759 --> 00:33:00,400
interesting. And yeah, when you're
looking at past Heineck quote, sometimes you've

453
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,880
got to know what year it came
from so you know what year he was

454
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,799
in Project Blue Book. If it
was the first year or two, it's

455
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:12,720
going to be more toting the government
line. But as it gets later,

456
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:20,000
closer to sixty nine, he's different, tune different. Yeah, there are

457
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,200
some horrible quotes out there from Heineck, but you can dismiss them because,

458
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,960
oh, that's when he was a
skeptic too, and the government paid him

459
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,799
to do a job and you guys
that were called yeah, and he was

460
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:32,720
going to do a good job,
and he had no reason to believe that

461
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:37,480
they were true. I got to
ask you this UFO over me. Yeah,

462
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:45,160
who are the men in black?
I don't know, I have no

463
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:52,160
idea, no, huh No.
There's two kind of generally accepted versions of

464
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:57,839
what they might be. And it's
kind of like the proto g man type

465
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,640
person where it's a government official dressed
in black, but it's clearly human and

466
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,920
they're like, shut up, don't
talk about UFOs, and they're kind of

467
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:14,760
just government muscle if you will,
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

468
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:20,559
And then there's the other side where
there it's it's clearly some sort of alien

469
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:23,880
creature of some sort, but they're
trying to mimic humanity, and they're they're

470
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,800
wearing the black suits and the hats
and sunglasses whatever. But it's quite obvious

471
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,880
if you were to encounter one that
they aren't human, but they're still trying

472
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:38,039
to manipulate you and scare you and
intimidate you. And I think like that.

473
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,440
So just generally speaking, I mean, that's what men and black are.

474
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:49,159
There have been some men in black
experiences in Maine. And one story

475
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,679
I feel like it sounds like it's
true, and another story I'm not really

476
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,800
I don't know if I buy it. And they're both from the nineteen seventies

477
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:02,559
and they actually involve It's two different
stories, but there's overlapping players in both

478
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:10,719
stories. So in nineteen seventy five, these two gentlemen who were living in

479
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:16,840
southern central Maine. They hear an
explosion outside one night, and it's like

480
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,480
two or three o'clock in the morning. They both worked the late shifts,

481
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,840
so they were up late. They
hear this explosion. They go outside,

482
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,639
They're like, what the hell was
that and they're not seeing anything. But

483
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,400
then they start to feel weird and
one of the guys goes, hey,

484
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,239
we should go for a ride,
and the other guys like, yeah,

485
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:37,159
that's a great idea. Randomly that
it's not typically how they interact with each

486
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,360
other, or it's something they would
do at that time of night, but

487
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,599
they felt compelled to get in the
car and drive. So now they're in

488
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,280
the car and they're driving, and
they claim while they're driving, some unseen

489
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,519
force takes over the driving of the
car, almost like Christine, you know

490
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:59,400
from Stephen King, where the car
starts driving on its own and it takes

491
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,920
them down to this pond and now
and then the car stops, and while

492
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,920
they're at this pond, a fog
kind of envelops the pond and the car,

493
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,679
and now all of a sudden,
there's a big bright light in the

494
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,840
sky. And then the next thing
they know, they're kind of sitting in

495
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:22,800
the car and they're dazed and it
hurts to breathe and their eyes hurt,

496
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,920
and they're like, what the hell
is going on? So they start up

497
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,239
the car. It starts, they
can drive it on their own again,

498
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,280
and then something takes over driving the
car again, and it takes them to

499
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:36,400
another area, and then two more
UFOs come out of nowhere and start chasing

500
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,360
the car. So now they have
control of the car. Again, it's

501
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:43,480
a crazy story, okay. And
they finally get home and they go to

502
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,800
one of their parents' house. They're
kind of young guys, they were like

503
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,559
early twenties, and they were really
scared. So they went to one of

504
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,719
their parents house and explained what happened, and the parents believed them. The

505
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,519
boys were that shooken up. Let
the parents believe them, and they could

506
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:02,679
see that there was some sort of
injury to their face and eyes, and

507
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,000
they still complained of not being able
to breathe very well and had hurt and

508
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:10,559
they almost were acting a bit drum, like they didn't have good balance and

509
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:16,519
stuff. So they called the police, and the police is like, well,

510
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,039
we don't know what the hell to
do with that, so call this

511
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,840
person. And the person they recommended
was a woman named Shirley Fickett who was

512
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:30,400
investigating UFOs in the nineteen seventies in
Maine, and she took on the case

513
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,119
and she had other colleagues that she
brought in. One of the colleagues was

514
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:38,519
a gentleman named Herbert Hopkins who was
a doctor and he was like a general

515
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:45,519
practitioner, but he also had a
hobby of other worldly things. He was

516
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:50,679
interested in paranormal things and he really
loved sci fi pulp magazines. And he

517
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,679
also studied for five years how to
put people under hypnosis and for them to

518
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:05,920
share their Yes. Surely had Herbert
Hopkins talk to these guys. And actually

519
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,400
one of the guys got so scared
he didn't want to do it anymore,

520
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,400
and he ended up moving out of
state. So they ended up only dealing

521
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,079
with one of the one of the
guys, and through the hypnosis sessions,

522
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,679
the gentleman who didn't leave the state, he was saying how he felt that

523
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,079
he was abducted, and he remembered
seeing aliens, and he described what they

524
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,599
were wearing, and they had these
weird robes clothes that they were wearing.

525
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,960
But and then we're tall, like
five six feet, but had the big

526
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,440
heads and the big black eyes.
And so this was all coming out,

527
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,960
and Herbert Hopkins was recording all of
his hypnosis sessions. You fast forward about

528
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,719
a year and Herbert Hopkins gets a
phone call one evening and it's a gentleman

529
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:52,159
who said he works for a UFO
bureau out of New Jersey. Just kind

530
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:58,679
of funny, and he goes and
he asked Hopkins if he could come over

531
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,559
and talk about the case that he
was working on this guy that he's been

532
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:07,760
hypnotizing. And Hopkins is like,
sure, come on, come on over.

533
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,440
I'll go turn the porch light on. And I figured the guy might

534
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,639
be there in a half hour hour
or something like that. So he goes

535
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,960
and turns on the porch light and
as he's turning on the porch light,

536
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,599
there's somebody walking up his steps.
Oh yeah, and he's like, what

537
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:27,559
the hell? Oh god, and
so they knock on the door. He

538
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,519
opens the door and he's like,
no, I'm here to discuss the case.

539
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,400
And Hopkins kind of is sort of
entranced by this guy and he's like,

540
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,800
sure, come on in. Doesn't
even ask him his name, just

541
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:45,159
lets him in the house. And
this was nineteen seventy five, so he

542
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,199
either had to been calling from some
sort of building or payphone, and Hopkins

543
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,400
knew there was no payphone anywhere near
for that guy to get there so quickly,

544
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,760
so he didn't understand how he called
and got there so quickly. He

545
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,639
he's thinking about this while this guy's
kind of walking in, but he also

546
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,320
can't do anything about it. It's
almost like Jedimin tricks on him, but

547
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,800
he's aware of what's happening though.
So the guy comes in and he sits

548
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:16,519
down. He's like, you've been
talking to this guy, and long story

549
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,760
short, we don't want you to
do that anymore. So you're going to

550
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,119
destroy everything that you have right now. And he goes, also, you

551
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:30,400
have two coins in your pocket.
Pull out one of them. And Hopkins

552
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,840
is like, huh, puts his
hand in his pocket and he feels two

553
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,480
coins. He's like, okay.
He pulls out one of them and I

554
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:40,440
think it was a penny, and
the man in black goes watch the penny.

555
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,239
So Hopkins is watching the penny in
his hand and it starts to get

556
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,679
blurry and he's like, what the
hell? And he's looking at the penny

557
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:55,119
and then it disappears, and he's
like, do you know who Barney Hill

558
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:00,000
is? And Hopkins goes and Hopkins
goes, yeah, because that was a

559
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:05,679
huge story obviously, plus being in
England, being in New England, right,

560
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,280
it took place over there. Yeah. Yeah. So Hopkins is like,

561
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:13,480
yeah, I know Barney Hill.
He's like, what happened to that

562
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:20,079
penny? Happened to Barney Hill's heart? That's how he died. So if

563
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:22,840
you don't listen to what I'm saying, that's going to happen to your heart

564
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:28,880
great. And Hopkins is like yeah. So Hopkins is like okay, and

565
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,440
the guy goes, I'm running low, I must go now, and he

566
00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:37,280
started speaking more robotically, and then
he started walking really slow, and then

567
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:43,360
he started Hopkins like opened the door
for him, and he started going down

568
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,119
the stairs and he was taking like
one step at a time, you know,

569
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:47,559
puts one foot down, then then
the other foot next to it,

570
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:52,840
you know that the whole time.
Yeah, yeah, and walking very slow,

571
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,519
almost elderly, if you will.
And he starts going into the driveway,

572
00:41:57,559 --> 00:42:00,840
but there's no car there or anything. So Hopkins is like, where

573
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,480
the hell, Yeah, where's he
going? So he runs to the kitchen

574
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:06,800
window so he can see, like
have a better view of the driveway,

575
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,840
and the guy's not there, but
he saw like this little flash of light

576
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:15,639
sort of thinks he thinks he almost
saw it. He's not sure, but

577
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,159
something happened and the guy's no longer
there, and he's like, what the

578
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,960
hell. So this whole time,
like Hopkins is married and he has kids.

579
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,679
They're adult kids, but they actually
are all in a movie while this

580
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:35,199
is happening. Okay, so the
guy leaves and Hopkins goes into his office.

581
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,039
He destroys everything. Okay he did. Yeah, yeah, he was

582
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:43,719
so scared. He destroyed everything.
And when his family came home. When

583
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,239
his family came home, they were
sitting he was sitting at the table and

584
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,159
he had a lot of that stuff
there that was destroyed, and he also

585
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,440
had a gun with him because he
was scared that the person might come back.

586
00:42:54,559 --> 00:43:00,360
So he's sitting there and he just
looks terrified. And his fai always

587
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,159
like, what the hell's going on? And he tells them everything and they

588
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:09,360
believe him, and his wife goes. You know, when we're at the

589
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:15,039
movies, we saw a UFO and
the movie place was like twenty minutes away

590
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:20,760
from where they were. And so
that as a researcher, that makes me

591
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,840
think, like am I putting two
and two together? Here? Where was

592
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:29,239
his family? It was his family
being monitored while he was visited the thing.

593
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,400
Right, they're large enough that they
could see it twenty minutes away.

594
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Oh wow, what a story.
Yeah yeah, and uh so that's how

595
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,320
they kind of overlapped. And again
that was just the real brief, dirty

596
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:45,400
version of it, like it gets
into it tell you know, but fascinating

597
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:51,320
stuff that's happened in this yeah you
know. Yeah, oh wow, that

598
00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:54,320
is really really cool. Huh.
Well. Even one of the stories in

599
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,840
that book is about four men being
abducted from their can right, yeah,

600
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,559
yeah, us have been really strange
too, absolutely, and that was a

601
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:07,519
huge story as well. Those guys
were featured on Unsolved Mysteries when that was

602
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:12,519
originally on. The actually went on
the Joan Rivers Show and she had a

603
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:15,760
talk show, so that kind of
hit national news, like Travis Walton and

604
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,519
I don't it wasn't as big as
Betty and Barney Hill, but it is

605
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,679
another huge New England story alien abduction
and that happened. So what you were

606
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:30,320
saying is that this man in black
was implying that Barney was killed, that

607
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,239
he didn't just die, that he
was talking too much and they shut him

608
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,639
up, right right. I don't
recall reading anything to see if Betty felt

609
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:44,079
the same way. I don't think
that's a thing that is talked about,

610
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,800
and I'm pretty sure she went on
to talk about it all the time.

611
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,480
I don't know what Hampton, she
never shut up about it. But yeah,

612
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,880
and she was fine her right,
right. So I feel that I

613
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,840
don't know what the difference was between
her or her husband, and I don't

614
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,280
know. Yeah, I don't know
either, other than that was the man

615
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:07,599
in black's way of using something to
his advantage that didn't really happen, you

616
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,119
know what I mean. But scar
tactic if you were. But the four

617
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:19,840
guys that were abducted in the mid
seventies that happened in the Alagash Wilderness Waterway,

618
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:24,639
and it was four friends, but
two of them are twin brothers and

619
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,079
they were actually students down in Massachusetts, and they decided to come to Maine

620
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:35,519
on their school break to you know, kind of hike and canoe and fish

621
00:45:35,519 --> 00:45:38,239
and do all that stuff for like
eleven days. They planned to be up

622
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,760
here and do all that stuff.
And the first couple of days, a

623
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,039
few days were fine, they were
having a good time. It wasn't until

624
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:50,679
oh boy, been a while since
I've looked into the story, but it

625
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,679
was either two or four days into
their trip where they were at this body

626
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,360
of water that had a little shore
and there was a lot of people there.

627
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,519
There were people and barbecues and all
this stuff, And while they were

628
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:07,079
there and kind of setting up their
camp for the night, a bright light

629
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:13,119
just kind of appeared and everybody there
saw it, and it was weird,

630
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:15,760
and a lot of people look at
it and saw it, and nobody was

631
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,639
really talking about UFOs. They're just
like, what the hell's that? And

632
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,760
after just a not very long it
kind of blinked out, and that was

633
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,360
really it. So it wasn't that
big of a deal. It wasn't until

634
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,760
like the next night or two nights
later, where the four guys they were

635
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:37,280
running low on fish. They were
having a hard time catching fish, so

636
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:43,400
they attempted during the day and they
came back empty handed. So that night

637
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,519
they're finishing basically the rest of their
fish, so they don't have any more

638
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,440
protein and that's not good if you're
hiking and being out in the sun all

639
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,000
the time. And they still have
another week, so they're like, we

640
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:59,079
need something more than just like chips, you know what I mean. We

641
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:01,320
got to catch some freaking So they
go, well, let's give it.

642
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,000
Let's give it a try. At
night, there'll be less people on the

643
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,159
water, maybe we'll have some luck
at night. So they all agree to

644
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:13,199
this, but it's up in northern
Maine, or really in Maine, almost

645
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,159
anywhere besides southern Maine. At night
time, when it's dark and there's no

646
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,760
lights, you can't see anything.
It's just so dark, you know,

647
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,280
unless the moon's out. So the
guys were kind of like getting the boat

648
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,039
ready and everything. They're like,
we're not gonna be able to see a

649
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:32,239
goddamn thing. We're not going to
know how to get back. So before

650
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,760
they left, they decided to build
this big bonfire on the shore because they

651
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,880
planned on being out there for a
few hours, and so they had to

652
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,440
build a fire big enough that wouldn't
burn out before they got back. So

653
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,960
they built a bonfire, and they
did that by grabbing big limbs of branches

654
00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:53,000
and other downed wood that was in
the area. But they said they were

655
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:59,199
grabbing big stuff six eight ten inches
around small logs, if you will,

656
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,000
to put on this on fire.
They start the fire. It's raging.

657
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:07,119
It's this huge fire. They're now
out in the boat and they're looking back

658
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,000
at it, and even one of
the guys was kind of nagging on all

659
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:13,119
of them, like, guys,
this is too big. We're going to

660
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,719
start a forest fire. And they
kept telling them to shut up about it,

661
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,400
like it's gonna be fine because it
was on the shore near the water.

662
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:22,880
Anyways. So now they're out in
the canoe and they've been out there

663
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,880
for a while. They're not having
a whole lot of luck. And then

664
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,519
that light comes back and it's right
above them, but it's above them but

665
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,159
behind him a little bit, and
one guy kind of felt like he was

666
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,960
being watched, so we turned around
and he sees the light and he's like,

667
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,599
guys, what the hell's that?
That's not the boat. So they

668
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:49,119
all kind of turn and look at
it and like, yeah, what what

669
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,480
is that? That's really weird.
And then the next thing they know,

670
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:57,199
they're back at the shore. The
bonfire is now down to embers. Three

671
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,039
of the guys are standing on shore
and one of the guys in the canoe

672
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,000
that's kind of pulled up on shore
a little bit, but he's still sitting

673
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,159
in the canoe. Then they're all
like, what just happened? Where are

674
00:49:08,159 --> 00:49:13,840
we just on the water. And
they were so tired and they were so

675
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,760
exhausted by whatever just happened that they
went and sat at the picnic table and

676
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,239
they were thinking that they were going
to try to eat something, but they

677
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,360
all kind of just fell asleep up. They wake up in the morning,

678
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:29,880
and the rest of their trip they
kind of go through it like zombies.

679
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,840
They're kind of just going through the
motions. It's not this big exciting thing

680
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,719
anymore. It wouldn't be until years
later where one of the guys, he

681
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:44,840
was one of the twin brothers,
started having these really weird dreams. And

682
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,199
in the dreams, he's surrounded by
these creatures and they're looking down at him,

683
00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:52,159
and he's laying down looking up at
them, and he would wake up

684
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,519
in a puddle of sweat, and
it was terrifying to him, and he's

685
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,719
like, why am I having these
crazy apping dreams? This is the nots.

686
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:02,599
So he's starts talking to his therapist
about it, and yeah, and

687
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:09,079
his therapist recommends that he talked to
this UFO guy. And that UFO guy

688
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:15,840
turned out to be this gentleman named
Raymond Fowler. Raymond Fowler is another legend

689
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:20,039
in the upology who has written a
plethora of books. It's done a ton

690
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:25,519
of investigations on people that have been
abducted, and ray Fowler found the story

691
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:31,039
interesting enough to kind of follow up
with the guys interview them all and then

692
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:35,800
he gets to a point where he
can get them all hypnotized and try to

693
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:40,559
get what happened to them between Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, And

694
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:45,679
so this was like years long process. That's not like it just came out

695
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,079
just like that. You know.
It was a year's long process and they

696
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:54,039
pieced it all together, and it
turns out it's very similar abduction scenario like

697
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:58,960
Betty Hill went through. They were
brought up into the spaceship. They were

698
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,760
all examined, you know, semen
and blood and nails and hair samples and

699
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:08,079
all this stuff, but the focus
and the beans were speaking to them telepathically.

700
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,639
The focus was really the two twin
brothers and they're trying to the aliens

701
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,679
were trying to figure out that whole
thing and why why that's a thing with

702
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,599
humanity, you know, which is
interesting because it's terrible to say, but

703
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,800
for us, I'm sure all aliens
look alike to us, you know what

704
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,199
I mean, But they think they
think twins within us is really interesting,

705
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,719
you know, at least that's that's
their story. But again, that's a

706
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:39,239
real dirty quick version of the Alagash
four story. But yeah, these four

707
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,199
guys who were abducted, and years
later they all go under hypnosis. They

708
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:46,440
all have this same story because they
were all hypnotized separately on different knights,

709
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:51,559
on different months, in different years, and they all had a very similar

710
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,679
story. They remember seeing each other
while they were there, and this person

711
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,840
was doing this, and the person
being hypnotized is looking at one of the

712
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,159
guys who had been hit ties before
and they're confirming their stories under hypnosis,

713
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,599
which is really interesting. You know, I saw him, Tom Warner has

714
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:10,559
said from the Berkshires. He says
that he and there was a female that

715
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:15,360
they had recollection of seeing each other
too, So that was very interesting.

716
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:22,000
Yeah, interesting stuff. Do you
think that there are alien human babies?

717
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,760
Boy? I don't know. He's
a gentleman who has since become a really

718
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:34,480
close friend somebody that is an experiencer, and I ended up telling their story

719
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:37,039
in one of my books. Actually, the whole book is about him.

720
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,679
It's a book called Granites Guys,
and it's about Yes, I saw that

721
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,559
one. Okay, that's about him. Okay, Yeah, And he's had

722
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,960
a lifetime of encounter. So while
the whole book is about him, it's

723
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,480
thirty or forty different encounters he's had
throughout his life since he was like three

724
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:57,559
ye two or three years old.
One of the experiences that he had,

725
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,199
well, I guess, let me
stanswer this alien human hybrid babies is.

726
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:07,559
For a long time was a ridiculous
concept to me. I didn't put a

727
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,039
lot of thought into it. I
never researched it. I'm like, that's

728
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,880
kind of crazy. Maybe I'll look
into that some day. That day came

729
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:22,320
when Mike told me that he had
gone outside to have a cigarette and he

730
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:28,320
got this weird message kind of like
beamed down to him, you know,

731
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:35,639
and kind of like implanted in his
head that he has a child out there.

732
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,800
And it was so impactful to him, and you typically hear that with

733
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,079
women, not so much with men, And it was so impactful to him

734
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:51,199
that when he came inside he was
crying. It was such a deep feeling

735
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,880
of this is the truth. I
was just told this, and I can't

736
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:01,000
believe I have an entity out there
that's part of me. And when he

737
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,159
told me that, in the sincerity
in which he told it to me,

738
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,480
and me having no reason to doubt
him in any way, it kind of

739
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:13,599
changed my tune about alien human hybrids. And all that stuff. I'm still

740
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,159
on the fence with it, but
I don't think it's ridiculous anymore. It's

741
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:20,599
all about paying attention and listening,
and I was doing that with Mike,

742
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:24,400
and I was showing him kindness and
I was non judgmental, and he influenced

743
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:29,440
how I think about that. There
must be some reason for it too,

744
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:32,519
why they do it. I'm nature
what it is, but I don't know.

745
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:37,199
I don't know if it's experiments or
if this is a type of species

746
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,639
that's dying and this is how they're
saving themselves. You know, I don't

747
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:45,440
know. Because he had a lot
of benevolent encounters, which is really cool.

748
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:51,199
He also had some really shitty ones
and yeah, and stuff that really

749
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:52,880
scared him. But he had a
lot of benevolent ones too, which is

750
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,239
really cool. And if he was
helping them out in some way, that's

751
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,119
cool with him. That's definitely cool. It certainly has sucked up his life

752
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:06,719
here and there. He's had a
rough go of it, but you know,

753
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,159
as of late, he's doing a
whole lot better. Oh that's good

754
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:16,239
with it, yeah, yea.
So it's been interesting to watch his progress.

755
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:21,320
It's been really cool, you know, and that's really cool that you're

756
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,360
able to watch that journey is cool. Yeah, And honestly I was.

757
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,159
I was on his journey. It's
interesting, you know how this was the

758
00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:35,280
most interesting book I had ever written
because it felt like I was right there

759
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,199
with him. It's almost like we
went to war together. And that's not

760
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,280
to diminish people who have actually foughten. Oh, no, I understand.

761
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,559
It's just a feeling, that emotion, that connectment, camaraderie, and and

762
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:50,440
we don't see each other often.
He lives like four or five hours away

763
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,840
from me, and we don't talk
as often as we'd like. But he's

764
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,239
someone that turned into like a blood
brother, you know what I mean,

765
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:00,800
because we kind of went through this
agonizing together because he had to relive all

766
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:07,440
that telling it to me, and
I've had my own experiences. And so

767
00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:12,840
in Granted Skies, there's Mike's general
story of all of his crazy encounters.

768
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,000
On top of that, there's a
story of a man who has been struggling

769
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:21,679
almost to the point of suicide.
And then a smaller layer on top of

770
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,360
that is my backstory and how it
kind of fits into this whole narrative.

771
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,960
And then how in the end,
it's really a story of hope. I

772
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:34,480
struggle with anxiety and depression and suicidal
ideation, like to this day, I

773
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:38,320
still struggle with it. And my
catalyst, well it was an extraterrestrials,

774
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:44,880
but for Mike it was. And
it doesn't matter what the catalyst is.

775
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,519
We're still feeling those feelings of anxiety
and depression, suicidal ideation regardless of the

776
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:57,159
catalysts. So we kind of bonded
over that and we turned in. It's

777
00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,760
turned into this feeling of hope,
and you know, we're going to be

778
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:04,559
a forget. We can't let it
own us and control us. And some

779
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:07,079
days it does and it wins,
and that sucks. We can't let it

780
00:57:07,199 --> 00:57:09,599
end us either. Yeah. Yeah, that's the big thing, because it

781
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:15,400
will control us some days, and
it will put us, you know,

782
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,559
make us feel things we don't want
to feel, as much as we try

783
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:21,400
to take ourselves out of it.
But as long as it doesn't end us,

784
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,440
I think we're going to be okay. Yeah. Yeah. And for

785
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:29,679
somebody like Mike for his catalyst to
be something so freaking strange and to be

786
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,039
able to come out and say that
in on top of it that he struggles

787
00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:37,719
with anxiety and depression, because people
with anxiety and depression suicidal ideation. For

788
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,159
years, you know, mental health
and mental illness has been laughed at and

789
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:45,199
poked fun at, just like experiencers. And now Mike is both of them.

790
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,400
Right. That really sucks, But
I'm really glad we're kind of living

791
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,280
in now where it's not such a
stigma. And even if it is a

792
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,760
stigma to people who don't get it, at least he's one of those people

793
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,840
that doesn't feel alone anymore, right, and I'm someone that doesn't feel alone

794
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,920
anymore. And again you found each
other. Yeah, yeah, so it

795
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:08,559
happens. Everything happens for a reason. Though everything happens for a reason.

796
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:14,679
You were meant to meet and tell
his story and make that connection. So

797
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:17,559
I don't believe in coincidences. I
really don't. Yeah, I'm kind of

798
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:21,480
with you on that. And there
was even a crazy story with hell the

799
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,440
book got published, and we kept
saying during that process because I kept him

800
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,159
apprised of everything, you know,
I wanted him with me, just like

801
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,719
he took me with him fresh Reel
journey, I was taking him on the

802
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:37,039
journey of behind the scenes and what
was going on just to get sure and

803
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,800
there was some craziness in the in
the background to to get the book out,

804
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,400
and we kept a common thing.
We kept saying to each other,

805
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,920
as things are happening for a reason, let's just let's just let it do

806
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,840
it something, let it go,
let it be. Yeah, and it

807
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:52,840
and it came out, which was
great. When did that come out?

808
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:57,159
What year was that? Twenty twenty? And it was like, oh,

809
00:58:57,199 --> 00:59:00,400
okay, right at the start of
the pandemic. It was like the worst

810
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,840
time to release a book, but
also the best time, but we didn't

811
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,320
know it was the best time.
Yea. Also, I know the same

812
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,440
thing. I mean, I was
sequestered in my house for all that time,

813
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,639
and I just kept writing and writing
and running. So I ended up

814
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:13,119
be in a whole other book out
during the pandemic. So where other people

815
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,559
were like, I gotta get out, I'm sick and tired of being I

816
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:17,079
was in my happy place. I
was just not letting it get to me

817
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:21,440
and I was just sitting at my
computer and just doing my thing. So

818
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:25,079
wow, that's I'm so happy for
you that you were there for him and

819
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:30,119
that you have found that relationship.
That's great. Yeah, and him being

820
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:31,960
there for me, and we still
are when we do call. Be like,

821
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,360
if I'm having such a hard time
and I can't for some reason,

822
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,800
don't feel like I can reach out
to my partner or he's on the person,

823
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,400
I can call. Just like if
I see his number and it's ringing,

824
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,400
it's not just a text message,
like it's his name coming up as

825
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,079
a phone call, I know that
I should answer. He's not just being

826
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:54,039
like, hey, how are you
doing. It's something there's a there's a

827
00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:58,280
reason, there's a reason. Yeah. Yeah, we text if it's just

828
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,000
like, hey, what's going on? How you doing? Right? Phone

829
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,400
call is a whole other thing.
Yeah, yeah, Well, thank you

830
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,079
so much for sharing that with me. Sure, other worldly encounters? What

831
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:14,880
do you make of crop circles?
I think crop circles are really interesting.

832
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,960
I'm so sorry I don't have good
answers because I don't know what to think

833
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:25,840
of. And it's another thing where
my thoughts have evolved over time. I

834
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:31,000
think for a long time I was
convinced they were made by aliens or UFOs

835
01:00:31,119 --> 01:00:36,239
or something, and then that was
something I did decide to like jump into

836
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,239
and research and really try and you
know, not figure out. But I

837
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:44,280
wanted to know the stories, not
just see the picture. And there are

838
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:49,039
some pictures which do look pretty good
that are made by humans. That's just

839
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:53,239
a fact. It's when you test
the crops in those crop circles that are

840
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,880
human made where they differ from other
crop circles that are not made by humans,

841
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:06,719
And that's the That's also another fact. You can't not see that when

842
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,639
these crops are being sent out to
test facilities. It's not just Joe Blow,

843
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,559
who believes in crop circles, is
at home and doing a little test.

844
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,360
They're like, oh, yeah,
see that. They're sending them out

845
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:23,960
to facilities to happen, and they're
coming back with anomalous findings and that's freaking

846
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:29,320
weird. And when you test stuff
from the ones, they're not having those

847
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,880
things. And also the crops just
from a visual standpoint, if you're standing

848
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,360
inside a human one as opposed to
a whatever one, the human one,

849
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:42,199
the crops are broken and the other
one they're not broken. They're laid down

850
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,840
really nicely and they're not broken.
Visually, there is some weird stuff happening

851
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:51,880
that's happened inside of them, like
they've been cooked or boiled or something.

852
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,760
But that's like internal, So I
don't know what to make of them.

853
01:01:54,760 --> 01:02:00,159
I don't know what they are.
It's probably some sort of interdimensional travel system

854
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:04,760
or something. I have no idea, but it's fascinating. Mmm. And

855
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,199
I won't keep you too much longer, but I do want to ask you

856
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:13,960
what is extra terrestrial biological entity?
That is just a long form name for

857
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:21,920
an alien? Oh really? Yeah? Okay, yeah, it's like a

858
01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:25,920
prescription, the name of a prescription. Yeah, why do you call it

859
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,760
what it is? What do you
have to call it? Like somethiculous?

860
01:02:30,679 --> 01:02:35,000
Of the short The shortened version of
it is ebe. You know, so

861
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:37,840
if you hear people in an interview
saying ebe, that's what they're talking about.

862
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,320
But it's become so mainstream now people
are just saying aliens or extraterrestrials.

863
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,599
People know what they mean by that
now, so it's kind of an old

864
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:52,760
phrase if you will. Oh really, yeah, okay, that's that's something

865
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:54,320
I didn't know. Well, why
don't you tell the audience how they can

866
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,719
find all of you wonderful books and
tell them about your podcast? I want

867
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,039
to believe? Oh sure, sure, so yeah, my podcast it's called

868
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:07,159
I Want to Believe and it's me
my best buddy, and we cover a

869
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,920
range of paranormal topics. So we're
telling black Eyed kids stories, Ufo stories,

870
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,400
ghost stories, dog man stories,
sasquatch, a bunch of different stuff.

871
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,159
And you can find that literally wherever
you get your podcasts. So it's

872
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:21,480
on Apple and Google and Spotify and
all that good stuff. And we're on

873
01:03:21,639 --> 01:03:24,800
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been doing it for a little while and

874
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it's a good time check it out. And you can just do a Google

875
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:30,639
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876
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:36,719
or do a search for it on
your podcast app. To find my books,

877
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:38,840
you can literally google Nomar Slavic Books
and it's kind of come right up.

878
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:43,760
Because my name is pretty unique,
it comes up, yeah, pretty

879
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:49,320
easily. But the actual website from
my online store is Slavic Store, dot

880
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,920
company, dot site, and that's
where you are getting the books directly from

881
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,599
me. I signed everything, I
package it up myself, and I send

882
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:59,760
it to you if you buy it
anywhere else, I still get the money

883
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,599
for but you're not getting the agraphs
copy. Yeah, yeah, but you

884
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,880
know you can also get them on
Amazon and you know a lot of other

885
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,280
places you get books, but yeah, yeah, it's pretty much it.

886
01:04:13,519 --> 01:04:16,039
Well, thank you so much.
I really enjoyed our conversation. I appreciate

887
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,760
you coming on with me tonight.
Yeah this was fun. Thank you so

888
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,360
much. Thank you. And to
listeners. If you liked listening to this

889
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:27,119
week's episode and you're into all things
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890
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:30,639
Eleanor Wagner's Creeping It Real podcast out
of the Coast to Coast Entertainment Network,

891
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,639
which is available wherever you get your
podcasts. And if any of you are

892
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:38,599
interested in reading any of my books, you can find the links to them

893
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:42,679
on my website, author Eleanor Wagner
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894
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,880
of the town and location, add
the paranormal story to the mix, and

895
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,079
finish it all off with photos and
evidence. Everybody loves a good ghost story,

896
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:53,159
but there's nothing better than a true
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897
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:59,559
Wanthor Eleanor Wagner dot com. Thank
you, ghostly listeners. You can follow

898
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:03,559
me on my website, author Eleanor
Wagner dot com, where there are links

899
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:10,559
to my books and video updates and
photographs. Thank you. Paranormal enthusiasts for

900
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:15,119
tuning in today. I hope you'll
come back again. Remember to tap into

901
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:20,199
your own gifts, everyone has them, and in the meantime, make sure

902
01:05:20,239 --> 01:05:21,360
you're creeping it. Neil