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Welcome to the Paranormal Pendal Podcast,
coming to you from the heart of pendul

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Witch Country in the northwest of England. My name is Craig Bryant, author,

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the investigator and collector of stories.
Join me as we take a journey

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into the paranorial UFO sightings, cryptozoology
and big casts. This is the Paranorial

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Pendal Podcast. Welcome to episode forty
of Paranormal Pendal, broadcasting to the Paranorial

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UK network at PAUK radio dot com. So my guest on this episode is

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Gary Jones. Gary has made it
his personal aim in life to research,

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read, and investigate a wide range
of fascinating subjects areas such as UFO et

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phenomena, ancient history, false flag
events, and forbidden knowledge and sciences.

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And in particular I'm going to talk
with Gary today about his book which is

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called The Denbig Lights, and we'll
get onto that in a few minutes.

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Over the last seven years, is
UFO investigation work has produced some fascinating and

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hard hitting evidence that has resulted in
solid UFO cases such as the Penrich Incident,

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The Denbig Lights, Caldecock Triangle,
Clan Tristan read away by up at

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that justice and the Mystical Lights of
Mirth Tidville. So Gary, it's an

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absolute pleasure to have you on.
Thank you for joining me. Yeah,

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thank you, hav me on.
Chris, good to be here. So

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you've been very busy talking to quite
a few different people about your book,

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The Denbi Lights, which I'd love
to talk to you about as we go

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through the podcast. But can I
just ask, first of all, how

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did you actually become involved in research
and investigations in the first place. I

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asked myself that same question quite a
few times. I've always had a fascination

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with the subject, but looking back
through my life, I think the subject

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kind of chose me. I just
I've had sightings as a young child and

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strange paranormal experiences which led me to
you know, at the time, it

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was just television and what you read
the newspapers. And as I got a

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bit older, started reading a bit, started learning a bit more, and

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I think sometime yeah, around the
early two thousands, I just decided I

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was going to read a lot of
material, study a lot of material,

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and then I just decided around it
must have been about ten years ago now,

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I just decided I wanted to do
some investigation work. I'd had enough

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of the research side. I've got
a good knowledge base, stood what was

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necessary and to learn about this,
to learn about cases. And I started

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small in my own area, looking
at local cases, and then I somehow

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ended up branching out to the whole
country of Wales. And that's what I've

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sort of kept myself busy, because
I figured, you know, this is

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my backyard in the way in the
scale of the world, like small country.

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Although it's a kind of fair sized
little country, it's still a small

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country. And I just decided I
wanted to start looking at the case and

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I was amazed that just what there
was there. Well, it's it's it's

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very there's lots of very large rural
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populated, isn't it in certain areas. So I suppose that in itself would

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would sort of lend itself to strange
things. I mean, you've had quite

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a few sightings yourself, haven't you, over years? So Johnna, to

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tell me about some of the more
interesting sightings you've had, Well, name

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three. I'll try to quick because
they can go on for quite a bit.

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But when I was seven. I
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in Kafilly. Me and my friends
were playing in the summer night and it

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was a school holidays because my parents
would let me stay out after dark in

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the summer months because obviously they'd have
to get up for school the next day.

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But as long as stay in the
street was fine, and a certain

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time he had to come in anyway. But one of my friends looked over

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and the farmhouse, the farm lands
behind the estates was there was this strange

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light and we all turned to what
he was pointing at, and there it

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was this oval disc shaped craft with
these very unusual lights coming off of it.

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The way they sort of moved from
brightness to brightness is like the night

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Rider car if I remember that series. I yeah, the car had the

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red light on the front which would
go left to right and you know,

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you'd have the bright spot and then
the sort of faded bits would fallow behind

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it. And it looked like that, but it was small, yellow,

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red and orange of color, and
it had a sort of in as to

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it. The way it sort of
moved, it was like lava, like

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a lava lamp, you know,
like a volcanic flow of lava. It

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was strange. It was so hypnonic, and it was silent. I mean

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it floated. It moved like a
stick floating on a calm lake, you

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know what I mean, just very
very you know, it was moving,

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but it wasn't like it wasn't like
like it was trying to whole position.

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It just it looked like it was
floating there. And if I could show

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you in video, you know,
I could probably demonstrate. But if anyone's

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ever seen a craft like that,
the what I'm talking about, how we

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stared at it for about three minutes, two minutes easy, three minutes I

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think was the maximum. I think
we all talked about it. One of

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my friends jokingly said it was a
UFO, and we didn't know the significance

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of what a UFO was. We
just knew what the word meant and identified

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flying object. I think we turned
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tops, and then I look back, and where the hell did it go?

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It couldn't have disappeared from sight.
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It was a plane or a helicopter
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yeah, I never forgot that one. And when I was twenty one.

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I think it was January of two
thousand and four, and actually know I've

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been twenty two. I think it
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one I get confused with the two
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I think it was. It was
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a bit of cold. I was
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work on the last evening bus before
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There was a different company, but
this is the state last stage coach bus

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coming from Mura, Tidville, and
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I live and lo and behold.
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bus, it was about seven pm
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of the weather we're getting now,
with all the damp clouds and the low

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misty, misty clouded areas and all
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I got off the bus about twenty
seconds, no more than that, it

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was a young girl behind me who
was going to her own place. But

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we both looked up because something caught
a ry. Someone came below the cloud

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layer and it was this massive six
hundred foot wide boomerang shaped liked the vehicle

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with a strange sort of light configuration
on it, which just came below the

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clouds for a brief moment of time, didn't make any sound, and then

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just went back above the clouds.
And if I had to guess how fastest

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thing was going, probably about three
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now I couldn't tell you, but
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I saw that one in one time
when I was really getting into the whole

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UFO thing and collecting some information.
I was getting interested in this whld white

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old business that was happening around my
area, and I was just clicking photos

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and something said look over here,
and I looked over there. It took

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a picture. I coudn't see anything
with me, but as soon as I

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looked at the photo, there it
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I described it like a Pokemon ball. It's got that shape to it,

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you know, the sort of an
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the circle, but way more mechanical
looking. I got the phone somewhere.

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Maybe I'll send it to you at
some point. Yeah, it's buried somewhere

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in my little father. Yeah,
and I just know, I just know

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these things are real and they always
seem to to rack me at some level

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at some stage. And with the
paranormal events and everything else, I mean,

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well, it was pretty I think
becoming an investigator was the next logical

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step. So what what paranormal events
have you been been witnessed to you?

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Then? What what sort of things? Oh? One time I woke up

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and there was a woman figure standing
right the front of my bed. The

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strange thing is I was waking up
in the middle of the night. You

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know, it happens, but I
got the strange feeling there was some you

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know, at the end of my
bed, and my body was telling there's

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someone in the room with him,
and shouldn't be anyone. There's my cat

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maybe you know, tries to sneak
in and have a cutch and on her

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anyway, you know, I can
see it with my eyes closed, and

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as my eyes there it is largest
life standing like I'm standing in front like

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i'd be standing in front of you. And she very quickly sort of like

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looked at me. It's very beautiful
looking woman in this blue suit. I

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kind of described like one of those
Nordic blondes or Palladian look at people that

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people often describe. Yeah, I
don't know if that's what she was,

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but she faded right before my eyes, literally faded before me, you know.

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And there's a lamp, and there's
a lamp post outside my house which

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shines l like in and you know, it comes through the window sometimes and

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you can see to the edge of
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that. And I've had, you
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But I remember one time, Oh
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that's when I happened when I was
so ten. Maybe the kids are all

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messing around, right, you know, going the going the toilet on your

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own and say the alphabet backwards.
Yeah, yeah, you know, sort

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of like you know, if you
say something in the mirror when you're on

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your own, the summer is going
to happen. The trouble is it lights

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flickering and then a sinkhole fill that
with dirty water. Oh no, I've

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never seen that happen before. I
thought, is there a is the pumps?

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Is the dream system flowing backwards up? What? But normally I would

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expect it to flow up through it
and just spit, you know, like

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a fountain. Yeah, yeast.
Have you ever seen the way water goes

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down at a sinkhole? Yeah?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes

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the same way, yeah, same
way. Yeah, just came up the

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same virtually, like that same way. So I thought, this is strange.

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That's almost sort of horror film Hollywood
esque, isn't it really that sort

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of Yeah? I was expecting something
to jump out of the time, Yeah,

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the cubicle or something. But oh, I just left. I thought

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it was nothing. But what can
I say? And I like streams dreams,

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you know, it's not they don't
even dreams, you know, But

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I just get the feeling that,
you know, sometimes I sense something in

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the room and all. So you're
quite quite sort of sensitive then to I'm

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goin to sense there's something close.
Yeah, different things. Yeah, and

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that's obviously that manifests itself in the
startings that you've had of the UFOs and

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as well. So it's all yeah, I personally think it's all linked,

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and I know quite quite a lot
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well. I mean, what's what's
your thoughts on that? Do you think

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it's all linked or I think it
is? Yeah, because I'm I'm an

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investigator, but I'm also an experience
of sorts. Yeah, I've kind of

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I've kind of not just read about
it, I've actually experienced it. It's

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like people talk about Egypt, you
know, I mean, I love Egypt.

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I've never been, but I know
if I went there, my perception

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would be a lot more different.
And then just reading it in a book,

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you know what I mean. Unless
you've been there and dan it yourself,

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you can't really you can't really appreciate
it. So, yeah, I

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think Egypt, I mean Egypt,
Egyptology is fascinating, and I think the

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whole history and the law and everything
else around, you know, the religion

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and the gods and the goddesses and
everything else, and think's fascinating. Yeah,

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it's It's definitely on my backet list
anyway. So that's probably a discussion

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or a subject for a different time, isn't it, Because there's a whole

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of things that you can talk about
about that. Let's let's move back then

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to the UFO stuff. And I
mean you've mentioned quite a few in your

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by orders, the is it penchurch
pen p Turk pen Turk incident. Sorry

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my apologies for the pronunciation pen.
It's like a writing pen. And then

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you know, like turkey, but
pen turk, you know. Okay,

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so that's quite an interesting one.
I mean, what sort of drew you

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to investigate in that? Well,
it happened pretty much on my doorstep.

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There was a build up of military
activity in my area. Lots of planes,

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helicopters flying around at night and daytime, low, irritating everyone. People

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have been down the valley's area of
Mirtha. We're wondering what the hell is

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going on. No one seemed to
have any idea, And there was all

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these trucks and convoys at times going
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and I'm like, something going on
here. I don't know what there is.

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Anyway, the night of the incident, the twenty sixth of February twenty

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sixteen, there were a lot of
low flying aircraft and they were really low,

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literally coming over people's houses. And
I mean the one time I had

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a chimney coming over my roof,
I could have been on the ceiling.

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I could have been on my chimney
and touched it, you know, that's

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how low it was. At one
point I even saw it in the streetlight.

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It it was reflecting off of that. You know. So the street

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lights out here are not that's all. They are incredibly big, aren't They

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are incredibly like as well? Oh, they make a racket. They rally,

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you win some a good couple of
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good thousand meters away before they Yeah, yeah, I mean I can.

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I can understand where you're coming from
with that, because we strangely enough,

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we seemed to be on a flight
path here where we get a lot of

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military aircraft and particularly helicopters in particular
oaks. So and they do come across

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here very low as well, and
so I can I can totally get what

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you're saying about the noise and the
vibration and everything else, you know.

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So yeah, sorry I interrupted again, but I'll get to the point.

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This went off like forty five minutes
and then two days go by, nothing

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like it just stopped. But I
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There was a conference taking place,
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Hall was taking place. He was
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it stopped that they stop was in
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because the person who witnessed it,
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didn't know who she was and never
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room doing the Q and AS what
had happened, and everybody's jaw dropped,

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of course, you know, she
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sudden got shot down. And then
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some pretty pretty corroborating stuff about explosions
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hospital. There was smoke filling the
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I mean, I just shake the
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roads being blocked, and I was
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was kind of over and everyone was
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couldn't get through to it. I
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difficult. We had a left weighting
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you know, I gotta get going. And there's a person over there who's

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got a Probably the most interesting thing
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I thought, Okay, I have
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the details tomorrow within the week,
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be talking about it. And it
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somebody was suppressing her name for the
last year. Only way I can suppress.

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Figure it out. She was commenting
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on other places, but for some
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even though I knew she was on
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word out, people who knew her
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my friends could I thought, what
was going on here? Man? How

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can you not put two and two
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sex? Somebody deliberately removed her name. But then a group I was with

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which I'm not going to go into
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with them over this. For reasons, if people want to find out,

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go to the pent Turkey incident website
page on YouTube. June twenty two UFO

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report on Newport That will help that
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we said she made a comment on
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was her, and then the investigation
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collected so much evidence. Now we're
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up. Cars's experience along with David, her neighbor who witnessed it with her,

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and some other witnesses who witnessed some
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there was a large pyramid triangular shaped
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for. Multiple objects came out of
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two of which came over to the
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cousin David, incredible interaction happening there. And then later on we've now

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proved also that there was something shot
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in Lantrast. And yeah, I
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were lying, they didn't have any
exercises in the area. There's no operations

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of any kind. So whatever they
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offensive operations. Purpose is actual operations. You know, they they launched an

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operation, you know, over a
public air space, which they are allowed

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to do if if there's a you
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What they did, what they deem
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I guess in this case they deemed
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steps, took whatever steps they took, and yeah, we've got a book

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about it, probably another one now
because there's a lot more information that used

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to go into an updated version,
I guess. But whenever that could be

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done, I don't know. And
then, of course, yeah, that

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case is really come along. I've
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Just asked you about about the Obviously
there was there was a huge military involvement

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in that, and from what you've
what you've said, there was clearly some

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sort of suppression of information going on. I mean, did you at any

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point when you got really sort of
deep into that that rabbit hole, did

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you ever worry about your own safety? Yeah? I tend to do this

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quite a bit, and I guess
I just realized, Hey, look,

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you know, I could die tomorrow
and leave nothing, you know. So

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if they're gonna take me out,
they're going to take me out, And

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if they're going to take anyone else
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But I'd rather die doing what I'm
doing now than sit around waiting for

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them to do it and not get
anything done, you know what I mean.

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computers hacked. I'm sure I've lost

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card drives, I've lost information stuff
in the beginning, which I know was

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probably not as interesting as it would
be now given that, you know,

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there were some interesting comments, statements, posts. Some people sent me stuff

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about NASA, about the International Space
Station. May picked something up. I

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don't know if they ever sent me
the images, but I know they were

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in the process of trying to get
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I was going to investigate. But
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I couldn't find Hans and when she
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for it, looking for information.
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it's it's kind of scary, But
I mean I've been doing it for close

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to eight years now, camp fair
worrying. Still you still hear you?

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Yeah? I think, well,
some people in the UFO field, and

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if you know, we're looking for
the we're treading in areas they don't want

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us to go. I guess there
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there, you know what I mean. Well, yeah, there are theories,

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aren't there that that you know.
I mean, we're sort of teaching

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on the edge of disclosure. And
again that's another massive subject probably for for

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for another podcast and it will be
talk. Yeah, I mean, it

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will be interesting to get your your
views on that at some point in the

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future. But I mean, I
know, I from from doing limited research

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in the area around where I am, in the northwest of England, there

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are government departments. There are government
bodies who take a great deal of interest

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in these types of incidents, and
you know, there have almost been your

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archetypal and again this sounds very Hollywood, but you know, your men in

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black turn up to these sites and
I know that, you know, there's

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been incidents in the northwest of England
where these people have just arrived on these

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sites where things have been seen and
they act particularly you know, peculiar to

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normal investigators. So there is there
is definitely a government department which is which

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is involved in these sort of things. And did you get any sort of

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any site of anything like that when
you were when you were doing that particularly

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investigation. I think if I started
early on and may have, but after

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twenty months, I guess it kind
of cooled off. Yeah. Yeah,

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yeah, stories about some strange you
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she knows, people who addressed like
civilians but clearly the military. But they're

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incredible physique, yeah, yeah,
and the way they talked anyway. You

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know, there's been that It's not
like you're going together would take up the

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whole hour. But I mean,
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I just don't know if they were
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you know, where I live,
it's pretty I won't say it's dull,

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but you know, you get to
know that the characters of the place and

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the sort of feel of the personalities
are kind of mean. And there's just

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been a capital times where people have
introduced themselves to me. Yeah, you

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know, I've never seen them before, but yeah, and they say things

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I'm just like, and they sort
of stand out. They're not they look

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normal, but they stand out because
of the way they mannerism themselves. Yeah,

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it's interesting. Yeah, I just
don't anybody's experience that. But I'm

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just saying I'm not saying that they
were you know, those men in black

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people, the strange government people.
I'm just saying, sometimes I do come

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into contact with them in the places
I would never expect to see them.

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Yeah. Well, I mean I've
spoken to all the other you know,

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very well respected investigators. I won't
mention any names, but I have spoken

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to other people who've said similar things. You know, they've had they've met

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people in the street who they just
didn't feel right speaking to. You know,

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they've just been the whole demeanor has
just been completely different to what they

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would expect a stranger to interact with
them. So he it clearly does happen.

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You know, Let's let's talk about
your book. Then let's talk about

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the DENBI lights, and let's talk
about how you got involved in that investigation

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and what it was that sort of
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Well, like I said, well, that particular case came along in

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my lap around April of twenty eighteen. But what happened was is when I

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was researching around December seventh, not
sorry, October seven. Let me start

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again. October twenty seventeen, I
met Carl's Cock. I was twenty months

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after the original event at Penturk.
Now, once I've got some statements and

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some information and I was able to
really start bring my efforts into finding what

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I needed to find. I was
looking for any videos, photos, UFO

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reports that might coincide with this event. Yeah, the date, and there

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were some videos popping up and some
photographs popping up of UFO sightings. And

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then when I realized the location was
well beyond you know, it's up in

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the northern areas, came across that
case and I went up to a visit

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in North Wales one time with a
group I was once with and met this

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family at the last stop and they
showed me this video and I gotta say,

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wow, you know, what a
what an impressive video. And the

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thing that really stood out for me
is, you know, I've seen something

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like this myself at that first sighting
I had when I was seven. All

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the light configuration was a little different. I mean, the shape is underniable,

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you know, all the like the
way it moves, you know,

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it's definitely got a sort of sorcer
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And I asked him was anybody investigated
this? I mean I asked the witnesses

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and everybody actually done any investigation into
this, because this is a fantastic footage.

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I did say that a man named
Peter Glynn had done some preliminary work,

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did the local investigation stuff, and
he put together some good evidence.

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You know, he did it.
The family went to the location, did

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a day night comparison from the actual
sight of the wind the window because it

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was at night, and then you
want to get in the daytime. And

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I did a bunch of other things
too, and he did a good analysis,

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a good viewing of the the video
itself, and all in all he

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did about eight videos which combined to
about an hour. And I thought,

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you know, this is a really
good report. I could do quite a

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bit with this, so I asked
for a permission to use it, of

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course, and then I just started
doing all the other stuff I knew that

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could do. I thought, well, I could do a let's really sit

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down with all of you now and
get this on film if you want,

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which they agreed to. I said, let's let's really go to the areas

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and take a look around, and
I want to take a look at radar

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returns and see if we can just
eliminate that, you know, the usual

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suspects. I said, this video
needs to be analyzed properly, and I

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know just the man for it,
Jason Gleese of uf only former RAF man

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now to and investigated in the UFOs. He does analysis work on photos and

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videos. Very good at it actually, and you know, I recommend people

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really stuff. He's got a YouTube
channel, which I find good because I

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just love watching videos that have an
analytical work done to it. And yeah,

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so I did all the usual things
that I would do, and then

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when I was ready, I put
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just towards the end of twenty nineteen, beginning twenty twenty maybe no, no,

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no, that would have been beginning
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kind of left it at that,
and then I just promoted the case then

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about last this is about summertime last
year, I thought I'm gonna write a

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book on this because there's enough material
here. And that's what I did.

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I put together a book and what
the case is called. It's called the

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Denbi Lights because the craft is just
omitting these unusual incredible amount of lights randomized

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pands. You can't you can't synchronize
them in any way or you know,

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figure out what when they're going to
come on and off. And I call

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that subheading a truthful argument for the
existence of the UFOs. The reason I

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call it that is because if anybody, I mean, I'm not trying to

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prove the existence of the UFOs.
I think we've already done that. What

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I'm trying to say is that if
you're looking for if you're looking for a

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case for someone to look at and
say, you know, yeah, this

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is definitely real, or you know, this is definitely happening, but there's

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no need for speculation here. There's
your case. There's the denib lights for

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you, and if you want me
to go into the details, I shall.

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Yeah. No, yeah, I'd
love you to. I just wanted

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to sort of ask you at this
point what Jesson thought of the footage,

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because I have I have an interviewed
Jess and myself a few months back,

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so I am, you know,
fairly familiar with his work. I'm wondering

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really what he made of the footage. He got a twelve minute video report

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on his own channel. I am. I am asked to look at it,

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and he said, well, yeah, this is incredible footage, very

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ratty. I guess so so long
because it was close a ten minutes worth

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of video, and the he described
as unexplained. It's unexplained. You know,

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this is not a uf Sorry,
it's not a playing in a helicopter

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or a drone of the usual explanations. This is unexplained. Whatever that object

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is is not where you would normally
expect to find. Therefore it's a UFO

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event. So that's where he concluded, right, So yeah, so what

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what was the sort of series of
events with with the sight in them?

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Okay, well, it was January
third, twenty twelve. It was three

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00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:36,839
am in the early hours of the
morning, big real well into the night.

412
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Nathan Thomas was the first person to
witness it. He was twelve at

413
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,480
the time. He heard a noise
outside because it was a stormy night,

414
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,599
you know, fifty sixty seventy mile
hour winds that you know, strong gusting

415
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,640
winds. It's freezing temperature zero degrees
and the rain was coming down, so

416
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:57,559
visibility was poor as hell. Any
went outside anyway, the noise was his

417
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,720
bin. As he looked out.
You know, the bin was quite a

418
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,079
big you know, I don't know
if you ever seen those big council bins,

419
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:06,519
you know, the really big ones, you know, obviously it was

420
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:11,440
packed full, like because of the
as the Christmas rubbish and everything was either

421
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,519
anyway, as he looked out,
you could see something. Something was dazzling

422
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,680
with lights in the distance. And
as he looked, he thought, was

423
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,920
that a reflection from my window or
you know, coming off of the TV

424
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,480
or something. And as he opened
the window, he realized it's coming from

425
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,640
outside. It's not from inside his
room reflection and he looked at it and

426
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,599
he realized, you know, oh
my god, you know that's that's some

427
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,720
kind of That's one of those UFO, isn't it. You know. He

428
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,079
goes to get his brother who's in
the next room, Alex Thomas, who's

429
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:48,240
fourteen at the time, and he
was trying to get asleep, and Nathan

430
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:49,519
was kind of annoying him, you
know, clear you know, go away

431
00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:55,240
and say UFOs side alexfo, so
come see come see So obviously listening to

432
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,240
his brother, he thinks winding me
up, but he seems seems to be

433
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,160
genuinely trying to get his attention.
And it goes to the window and if

434
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,200
you could, I mean I would
have left the scene. His expression,

435
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,160
he obviously went, you know,
went from being tired they suddenly, you

436
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,079
know, instantly awaken. Oh my
god. And Nathan had been given a

437
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:17,880
video camera that The camera was a
Cameleo S thirty mate by Toshiba, and

438
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:21,319
at the time it was, you
know, one of those nice little handheld

439
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,720
cameras you could use for parties and
red ins, you know, just just

440
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:29,079
just a video logue events. Nothing
like today, of course, but the

441
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,960
video was a very good quote,
you know, the video worked very well,

442
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:40,160
worked well enough, and they started
recording and they got about three minutes

443
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,599
worth of video before you can hear
it in the dialogue, they're using their

444
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,200
voices. I transcribed the video,
by the way, in the video documentary

445
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,480
that if people want to see it, I'll send you the links to that.

446
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,359
Anyway, they went down to go
get their mother, Linda Pritchard.

447
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,160
She was a third witness to see
it, and Alex came down, now

448
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:01,599
you know, the one who's trying
to get asleep in that wide awake,

449
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:07,000
literally literally telling you know, shot, you know shot. I wouldn't say

450
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,079
he was shouting at his mother,
but you know, eager to get his

451
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,880
mother up. Thinking she got up
and what what you know, thinking it's

452
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,039
the house on fire, that's her
words, it's the house on fire.

453
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:19,880
There's nothing wrong, you know,
it's just alex is getting all excited,

454
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,759
and she goes upstairs, takes a
look and sees it for herself. The

455
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:30,960
lights now at this point they're filming
again, and the lights are really starting

456
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:37,599
to go now and yeah, they
what do you see with the camera.

457
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,799
It's not what they see with their
eyes. Their eyes are getting a much

458
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:44,200
better definition of this. It's oval
shape. It's source of shape. They're

459
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,000
talking about their lights on top.
They can see the underneath it as it

460
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:50,839
tilts up and down. This thing
goes from a horizontal to vertical position,

461
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,160
you know, like a from flat
to forty odd degrees maybe. And at

462
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,960
one point they decided to go and
wake Kear up. And this is Linda

463
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:06,480
as granddaughter, and she could hear
the she could hear the sort of commotion

464
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:07,599
like it was waking her up,
and then she realized, you know,

465
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,640
something was going on, and I
think Nathan went to wake her up.

466
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,240
And then by that point all four
of them are watching it. And yeah,

467
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,200
you can hear it in the on
the transcript of the video that they

468
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:27,319
just what is that? And you
know, and it's interesting when you listen

469
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,759
to how they speak. I mean, Linda is like, that is the

470
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,839
most amazing thing I've ever seen.
Nate and Alex is similar, but a

471
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:38,319
little more eager as well. He's
like, I've never seen anything like that

472
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,720
before in my life. And it's
getting worried, you know that people are

473
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,160
going to come visit him, you
know. And and Nathan, the youngest

474
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,440
one, he's still enthusiastic. So
she put us on YouTube. Ales,

475
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:51,920
she put us on YouTube. She
contact the post, you know, I

476
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,200
contact the local press, and Keira
is in this somewhere and she's just like,

477
00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:01,240
wow, you know, amazing.
Anyway, it's just it's just man.

478
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:06,640
And then at one point, the
lights all stop. They just stop.

479
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,159
They're gone. That's it, They're
finished. And alex Is reaction is

480
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,360
priceless. He just goes, I
guess this is exactly more. That's exactly

481
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,800
how it went. The lights stopped, and he goes, oh, don't

482
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:22,480
stop. Literally died durn blue.
You couldn't say that, but that's that's

483
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,360
where it is. It's like,
oh, don't stop. You know,

484
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:29,079
he's so freaking eager to see them
again. Attitude today, I said,

485
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:34,320
Attitude today, they really really want
to see it again, and I'm just

486
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,840
amazed, you know, because Peter
investigated. Not long after it happened,

487
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:43,679
the police were called in. They
said they were lampers. Right. There

488
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,960
was no police or helicopters or army
or anything going on. The farmer doesn't

489
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,000
work at night in the golf club
which is there with the quarry in the

490
00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:59,760
distance, they're all shut. They're
nowhere in line with the the lights anyway,

491
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,320
But obviously looking for normal explanations,
this is what people would go on.

492
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:09,360
And yeah, I mean all those
things were done in the beginning which

493
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:15,440
clearly show this was a UFO.
But anyway, have you interviewed the family

494
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,079
about six years, seven years after
the event, Their memories were as fresh

495
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,679
as the day had happened. And
even to this day, I mean,

496
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:28,559
we're talking, well, it's been
it's been over ten years though, eleven

497
00:35:28,639 --> 00:35:31,599
years nearly, No, we've been
it's been well over eleven years, become

498
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,480
twelve years now in January. I
should go back up there just to speak

499
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,360
well and see how they are.
So was it sort of was it seen

500
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,960
by any other people that you know
of? I'm hoping that there were other

501
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,320
witnesses, But to this day,
I still have not received any other witnesses

502
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,920
now, but four people from one
window was pretty good. But I had

503
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,119
hoped that other people might have seen
it. But given the time, I

504
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:00,559
mean, the Demba shit area is
pretty quiet. Know there's a small community

505
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:09,239
there. I mean given the vantage
point, really there only a certain number

506
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,559
of houses I think would have seen
it. Anyway, you mentioned in your

507
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:20,000
in your bioor that the story was
picked up by the Mirror. Yeah,

508
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,800
it's and they're on an article.
Well, I mean, how how was

509
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:30,119
that received? I think it was
the Daily Star, wasn't it. Well,

510
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,480
I don't know if you said it
was picked up by the mirror.

511
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,599
I know some of the some of
my UFO cases have been picked up by

512
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:40,599
the mirror, and some of them, I think the usual responses all the

513
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:50,599
same. UFO expert describes lights as
real, and you know, they they

514
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,480
just they just mentioned it in a
sort of a passing sort of thing.

515
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:59,599
Really, they don't really go into
detail or describe the the events in full.

516
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:07,119
They just like to. So I
did have a clip of it somewhere,

517
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,360
Yeah, there was a I did
have it in the Daily Star,

518
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,599
and I think he may have gone
in the Mirror also, So for give

519
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,199
me from getting used on that one. But no, they just said,

520
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:21,239
yeah, you know, Jason Gleaze
put out his video. They picked up

521
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,199
on the story and I think,
you know, if I remember correctly,

522
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:29,800
they just said, you know,
UFO UFO video described as real by expert,

523
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,920
and then they just wrote a story
told about the witnesses and misslf.

524
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,440
You know. It was just one
of those online one of those online things.

525
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,360
I don't think it made it to
the papers. It just went on

526
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:43,960
one of their websites, right,
okay, hmm. Interesting speck up by

527
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:50,400
early on when Peter was looking into
it, and Peter's a local UFO investigator

528
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960
at the time, he was interested
in this stuff, you know, he

529
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,360
did other investigations as well, so
he was very into this. Someone named

530
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:04,800
Scrilex. Skrilex was a DJ American
DJ and a record producer, and he

531
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,079
was very I don't know what he's
doing now, but at the time he

532
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:13,960
was very very popular. Excuse me, it was very very popular. And

533
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:21,719
he put the link to the video
on his Facebook page, which automatically meant

534
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,679
all his followers went to that page
themselves, and the views on Peter's page

535
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,760
went from someone like a couple of
thousand up to like ten fifty thousand.

536
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:34,639
I think at last count it was
somewhere around like maybe four hundred thousand.

537
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,719
OK. And that's sort of just
I really obviously opened the case open for

538
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,679
a lot of people then. So
it was quite surprised that. I mean,

539
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,360
the local media picked it up,
but I don't think anybody in the

540
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,159
mainstream was bothered with it. But
the family became targets for some of the

541
00:38:53,199 --> 00:38:58,079
you know, de bunkers out there
and the people who feel it's their duty

542
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,920
to out you know, liars,
and even when they got video evidence,

543
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:06,079
they're still liars. Oh, I
tell you the treatment there were something.

544
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:07,280
Especially Nathan, you know, the
one, the youngest one who saw it,

545
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,599
was so enthusiastic. He won't talk
about it now. No. I

546
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:14,400
mean he may give an interview an
audio, but you won't get him on

547
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,280
a camera. And I think you
gave him an audio he'll be because I

548
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,880
think he just got fed up with
the attitude of people have towards it.

549
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Yeah, And I think I think
that's an issue, isn't it in general

550
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:30,119
with with witnesses, that a lot
of people don't want to come forward do

551
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:38,519
the no because of the absolute idiots. I can think of stronger bloody guys.

552
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,360
I mean, there's a guy named
Mick West who does the what do

553
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:51,119
you call it? Metabunk? And
I'm not against Mick West being someone to

554
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,400
be skeptical, but it seems like
everyone a meta bunk lately. Their default

555
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,079
mode is just skeptic. I would
even call it skeptic. I mean their

556
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,159
thing is confirmation biased. They all
just get together and let's say, every

557
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:08,000
every UFO things is a lie.
And you know, although Mick has done

558
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,880
some good work on other things,
you know, cases that have been fraudulent,

559
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,199
and he's out with those frauds very
easily, when it comes to the

560
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,159
more genuine stuff or the more you
know, realistic, you know, part

561
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,079
hitting stuff, those are given the
same sort of scorn. You know,

562
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:25,480
they just can't be real. They're
not allowed to be real. And I'm

563
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,519
like, well, why the hell
are you fipin deep? But what's the

564
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:30,199
point I met about that? You
know, what what do you what do

565
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,800
you stand for? Because he's got
it down on his page as Aliens Versus

566
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,159
golf carts, right, that's what
he's calling it. And he only took

567
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,880
that small video from the Daily Stars
of the lead there and this is what

568
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,440
you called it foot they just spooky
spinning. UFO in Wales declared genuine by

569
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:52,000
expert and that that was basically the
whole story. After that, they just

570
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,679
named Jason as the expert, they
named me as the investigator, they named

571
00:40:54,679 --> 00:41:00,400
the place where it happened, and
it wasn't all that much of a story,

572
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,719
to be honest with you, you
know, they but I mean,

573
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,280
it was nice to declare it for
them to talk about it. But obviously

574
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,400
Mick found this and decided to call
it alien versus golf carts. I said,

575
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,360
have you actually looked at the whole
video? Have you actually been to

576
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,000
the place. This is why I
consider field research a genuine you know,

577
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:22,239
a genuine thing the UFO investigators to
do. By the time I figured out

578
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,440
this is the one big thing I
did do for this case. I lined

579
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:30,880
up the two furthest light points I
could find in the video right, because

580
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,239
it seems to me this object's not
moving, it's staying where it is.

581
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,360
So when the lights are going on
left, furthest left right and furthest right

582
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,280
light. And I got this in
the book how I've done it. I

583
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,280
then take the location of where the
site was from. And then I just

584
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:49,599
keep lining up that and following the
line as far as it will go in

585
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:54,000
it. And it does lead up
to the day and night time photographs when

586
00:41:54,039 --> 00:42:00,840
you overlay them, does show that
it's pretty just below the landscape point in

587
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:10,000
the photographs. And Mickers decided that
this thing is lights or vehicles coming from

588
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:14,800
the top of that mountain hill place
by the golf course mass all it is,

589
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,559
okay, good theory, Like you
know, never heard that one before

590
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:22,880
Et came. Et came to them
be the play around at golf like I

591
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,639
guess he thought the Masters wasn't on
or something. But I mean three,

592
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,599
you know, I mean if anybody's
on vehicles, because this is where Peter

593
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,400
comes in again. He did.
He went around those fields, couldn't find

594
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,960
any tracks or any evidence of vehicles, quads, bikes or anything like that,

595
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,920
bikes or scramblers wherever you call them. And I said, and in

596
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,960
the way I lined it up right
from the furthest lights to the left and

597
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:51,159
right going up to the golf course. Is the woods up there called christ

598
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,599
Mar Woods, so Christ or christ
Christ Woods or something like that. Well

599
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:59,760
she named a strange It's just the
way you pronounce it. I thought it

600
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,880
said it sounds like Crestwoods, but
it's it's it's called christ Woods or some

601
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:07,679
christ Woods. Yeah like that.
There was there was something torove with the

602
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,320
lady called Margaret Pritchard. Wasn't to
do with that. Yes, this will

603
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,639
lead into that. Yeah, okay, the if the if somebody was riding

604
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,639
vehicles around there for fifteen minutes,
right, they would have to then drive

605
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,719
it through the woods, through thick, dense woods, crashing into trees,

606
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,000
bumping into things and being able to
avoid all that and come back around and

607
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,519
do it all again for fifteen minutes
because that's along the siting lasted floor like

608
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,360
you know, sighting wise, and
somehow then tilt off the ground and go

609
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,079
and then have their bags flying in
the air like et. I guess you

610
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:46,360
know they must have been up there. But yeah, so I'm a hit

611
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,760
the golf course. If they were
on the pitch I think was sorry of

612
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,519
the pitch on the on the on
the fairway, it's obscured by a small

613
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,159
banking. You no, there's a
there's it goes up, then it goes

614
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,199
over and down. Does that make
sense? Yeah, yeah, it would

615
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,760
be obscured from their site. They
wouldn't be able to see anything even if

616
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:12,199
there was someone up there. And
yeah, one day I went up to

617
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,719
the woods to have work around.
Then I found out when I was there,

618
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,639
this is the value of going to
these places. Sometimes people say things

619
00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:21,440
when you're on location that you wouldn't
really pick up in an interview or a

620
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:25,280
phone call. She said, six
weeks, no more than six weeks,

621
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,960
probably less less than four, this
huge section of woods, this lovely area

622
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,880
that they loved walking through because there
is a path through there, but it's

623
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,119
a very narrow path. You know, you're not going to ride a big

624
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,239
vehicle through there, but enough to
get through the single fannel, let alone

625
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:47,440
anything else. But they chopped on
this large section of trees. They weren't

626
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,400
exactly shall we say, fell removed
and taken away because of anything contamination wise.

627
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,840
They were just chopped down, removed
and sent over to the side.

628
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,320
Now I don't understand why it happened. I think maybe the storm did something

629
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,400
to them, But I have a
sneaky little feeling that maybe something with the

630
00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:12,840
UFO was involved, maybe coming over
that way. And I've tried to find

631
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,039
out about why this was done,
got no answer. Tried riding to the

632
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:22,360
councils and the local authorities up there, not really getting any answers. And

633
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:28,119
I've since learned that that particular wooded
land area is an ancient woodland and it's

634
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,440
protected under certain laws. They have
protection rights for that area. So you

635
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,039
know, I mean, if someone's
going to touch it, go in there

636
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,880
and have a mess around with it, I mean, yeah, what's it

637
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:44,679
had to be a reason? Then
I don't there If it's a protective woodland,

638
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,599
it's not that easy for a local
authority just to move in there and

639
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,119
call out of the trees down,
isn't it. Yeah, I got it.

640
00:45:51,159 --> 00:45:54,239
And I did a slight presentation on
this last year, and I did

641
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,079
make a note of this. This
is what it's called. There's an acronym

642
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:04,400
for There are twenty teen nine s
S S Eyes wholly or partly within Demish

643
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:08,679
protected sites in Demas and this is
from one of their lists, and there

644
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,840
it is Christma that's protected. So
it doesn't mean they can't chop down trees.

645
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,480
But I'm pretty sure if you're going
to you're going to need special permissions.

646
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,239
That's a very good reason for it. Yeah, the sites of special

647
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,880
scientific interest. I think it stands
far, doesn't that. Yeah, special

648
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,159
scientific interest isn't interesting one of them? Yeah that's the one. Yeah,

649
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,239
so special interest it will be.
They will all have to jump through hoops.

650
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,440
Wanted to sort of go in there
and start cutting trees down. Oh

651
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,719
yes, yes, some of them
have been blown over too. You can

652
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,239
see one of the trees. I've
been blown over a pull over, but

653
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,719
it's heavily uprooted, and it means
a big, bloody tree, you know,

654
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,039
I mean it's not something small.
And you can see the others where

655
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:51,880
they've chopped them through. There still
there were signs there there, and they

656
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,639
may be still signs there now.
But since then the area has overgrown,

657
00:46:54,679 --> 00:47:00,719
and I mean today it doesn't look
anything. You're suck a big thing pile

658
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:06,760
of just bramble bushes, and then
you know these thin twig trees. It's

659
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,960
it's it's nothing like what it said
in their former glory. But that was

660
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,920
strange, and uh yeah, I
mean, is there any other questions you

661
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,880
got? Well, I was I
was just going to ask you, really,

662
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,679
where where you can buy the books? It sounds like a fascinating raid.

663
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,639
That's a very underrated case. You
can get it from Amazon, typing

664
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:36,400
the THEMBI lights UFO. It's available
in Kindle, It's available in paperback and

665
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,239
hardback. And if you're one of
those people who likes audio, it's available

666
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:44,159
on that too. Okay, is
there anything in the pipeline? Any any

667
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:47,159
other books in the pipeline? Not
for them, Not for the time being.

668
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:55,719
I mean I want to write some
more, but time consuming and it's

669
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,239
very difficult to get the book sold. I mean, the Pento one is

670
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,639
doing very well. That case has
gone worldwide. But yeah, the ones,

671
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,920
you know, I mean, if
I were to write them, I

672
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:08,000
don't know. I mean I have
to think about it. If I got

673
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,320
like a like a lot of spare
time, to be honest, I want

674
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,880
to break from the UFOs and all
this other stuff I've been doing because I've

675
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,880
been doing it for over twenty years
and it's getting a little it's a it's

676
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:20,119
a lot, a lot of time
consuming stuff. So I mean I will

677
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:22,239
write books, obviously, I will
at some point, because these cases need

678
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,280
to be known because they all come
with evidence and great witnesses and videos and

679
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,159
analysis and field work and all that, you know, Like I try to

680
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,440
make my cases as comprehensive as possible, Like I mean, there is something

681
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,239
I could go into here. Yeah, it's not a witness, but he's

682
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:44,199
someone who may have seen the craft
himself. There's a man named I got

683
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:49,800
this from a local paper from the
pictures were online and managed to find it.

684
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,280
Lucky I saved them. Uh yeah, this is from one of the

685
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:58,239
local papers in Denby. I don't
know which one it's called. That's what

686
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,719
I was what I was sold in
that place. This was from the eighth

687
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:06,360
of February twenty twelve. The sightning
occurred on the first of February of the

688
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:12,400
same year, just a month after
Denby actually and Graham Evans from Denby was

689
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,079
startled when a strange flying object suddenly
appeared in the daylight sky as he was

690
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:21,239
taking a photograph with his digital camera
that it says. I was walking around

691
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,360
Denbiy taking pictures of several locations for
a video I was making. And it

692
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,679
was about two thirty pm when I
reached Leicester's Church by Denby Castle, said

693
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,039
mister Evans, just about to take
the picture where an object suddenly appeared in

694
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:34,599
the sky, moving very quickly from
left to right. And if you can

695
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:37,960
see the picture, it's a dish
shaped object. A close up enhancement of

696
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:44,119
it would reveal that it's got some
sort of like underbelly roundish underbelly with a

697
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:49,039
saucer outline. And Denby Castle is
not too far away from where this sightning

698
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,320
took place. You can see Denbigh
from the house of the family itself.

699
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,719
You know, it's a very visible
place. It's a very old castle's like

700
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,679
eight nine centuries old, I believe, but maybe it'll less. But I

701
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,079
mean it's very old, you know, and the castles seen better to his

702
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:07,079
mind. You But it's just interesting
that a month after, you know,

703
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,880
something like that he's got. He
had quite a few photographs of it.

704
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:17,280
And it's been my experience to learn
that that whenever major UFO signs take place,

705
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:23,360
there seems to be that these sightings
may occur afterwards, not as prominent

706
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:29,000
as the denbi Lights one, but
people may see objects similar nature in the

707
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:30,280
air because they seem to stay for
a while and then they go away.

708
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:35,400
Yeah, you seem to get him
been clusters. I've noticed that. Yeah,

709
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:40,000
So that's so interesting. So is
it has there been anything recently up

710
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:42,960
there? Is it? Is it
a hot spot? Do you think or

711
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,840
was it just these isolated North Wales
is very active. I mean there there

712
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:52,960
are sightings happening in and around there
out to see below the below the mountain

713
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,760
ranges. I mean it's always going
Yeah, there's always something going on there

714
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:02,079
and people are reporting stuff then taking
videos and things, which reminds me what's

715
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:07,679
his name? Now there is another
thing. Yeah, David Williams is an

716
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:14,159
interesting character in this case because he
had something to offer as well. See

717
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:20,679
the original video was played on his
iPad, David's ipie. He's the next

718
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,400
door neighbor, the same age as
Alex I believe. Okay, yeah,

719
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,519
so he would have been thirteen to
fourteen at the time, maybe a bit

720
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,679
older. But anyway, they were
messing around with the video. He was

721
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,760
taking a screenshot zoom in, and
then taking another screenshot zoom in, taking

722
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,840
another screamshot, and every time he
did it seemed to enhance it a little

723
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,400
bit, you know, bring out
a little more detail. And he got

724
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:46,119
really close into it. I couldn't
believe what he had. He had this

725
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:54,519
you could see shape of the dome
on top. You could see four large

726
00:51:54,639 --> 00:52:00,400
bluish white lights with several smaller ones
around them, clear red light on top

727
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,119
which seemed to be distinctively like two
separate red lights. It looks like a

728
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:07,119
cherry if you you know, if
you're just looking at it in a blurry

729
00:52:07,199 --> 00:52:12,880
version. And I was like,
Howard Earth did you manage to get that?

730
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,960
I said, I've been messing around
with this video trying if I could

731
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,760
bring out the background of this thing, because the family said they could see

732
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,159
the sourcer with their eyes, but
the camera I guess didn't have a sharp

733
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,480
enough sense at the time. And
I guess today most cameras will pick it

734
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:29,639
up very easily because they've got night
vision and things, or you know,

735
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:31,800
they got much better ICEO rangers,
you know, for for for light in

736
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:37,519
the dark. Yeah, yeah,
anyway, And I was just asking and

737
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:42,800
he said, well, that's amazing, because I mean I've done something similar

738
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,679
but just not as clear as that. But it clearly shows. I mean,

739
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,000
I'm surprised that image doesn't get the
credit it deserves. It clearly bloody

740
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,119
shows this thing isn't alval shape.
It's got a source of shape on the

741
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:58,199
top and it does have you know, that's that classic source of shape sort

742
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,159
of look to it. Whatever this
thing is it's a solid object of some

743
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,639
sort, but it's clearly not designed
by man, you know, because we

744
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,760
don't make them like that unless we've
recovered some and do you know what I

745
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:16,079
mean reverse engineer. Yeah, that's
interesting. Yeah, So it's a sort

746
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:22,760
of classic source of shape that you
imagine in a sort of nineteen fifties B

747
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,079
movie? Is it? Is it
that sort of shape? I could say

748
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,519
that, Yeah, I mean I
wish I had the MS to show you.

749
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:34,840
Yeah, I can imagine it,
and I hope that that, you

750
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,880
know, the listeners will build to
imagine it as well. Because of the

751
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,719
way you've described it. It's sort
of it's sort of like you know,

752
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,639
you know, the Day the Earth
stood Still filmed from the fifties or sixties

753
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:57,159
whenever it was that sort of classic
silver sort of UFO shape, circular UFO

754
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,639
shape. Well, what's interesting Also, when I've interviewed the family, all

755
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:04,320
four witnesses, I asked them about
these lights. I asked them, I

756
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,079
said, probably look to you then, I mean, because obviously you've all

757
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,880
seen it, But if I asked
you to describe them, how would you

758
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,719
describe them? I think I think
Alex described it like explosions going, brightening,

759
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:20,119
dimming down, brightened, dimming down. I think Nathan described it like

760
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,920
a real bright firework display, but
you don't contain within that area. I

761
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:31,440
think Linda has described it a similar
way. But you know what it is

762
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:37,280
very interesting is Kira's description of the
lights. Kira said something you need to

763
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,920
do that I'll relate to, you
know. I mean she described the lights

764
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,760
like I don't know, if you've
ever been on holiday or eve, ever

765
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,639
been in a swimming pool and you
see the lights under the water, I

766
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:52,880
mean the water. No one's in
the water, the lights are underneath and

767
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,920
the water's moving around. Yeah,
so the shimmering, shimmering. Yeah,

768
00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:02,400
it was like that, but it
was more hypnotic and it was just so

769
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:09,039
unbelievably mesmerizing. And and I said, oh, it's something you really want

770
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:13,000
to see again. Oh yeah yeah. And I think we're going into a

771
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,280
conversation about this. I said,
Oh, okay, then, so if

772
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,159
you know you told me you're an
Ed Shearing fan, I mean, if

773
00:55:19,159 --> 00:55:22,119
you could get a backstage pass through
a tour of Ed Shearing, you know,

774
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:25,360
for the whole thing, or win
the lotry and go live your dream,

775
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:29,599
or you know, go see the
world, or see this thing again.

776
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:30,639
What would it be, Oh,
I see this thing again, you

777
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,440
know, because it's priceless. I
mean, that's that's that's not much of

778
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,519
an impact this thing has made.
That's interesting. So you have you have

779
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:43,800
to wonder them whether there was in
dates, some sort of hypnotic element to

780
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:50,320
these lights, or whether it was
some sort of perhaps subconscious communication or something

781
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,960
like that. It may well be. I have not perceived any indication that

782
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,440
they receiving a communication. I think
they just they just gott and incredibly,

783
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:06,039
I think they just whether they were
meant to see it, I don't know,

784
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,760
or whether it was just there and
they were lucky. I mean,

785
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:14,280
either way, they've seen it,
and it's made that war impression on them,

786
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,199
and certainly it's you know, they've
lived there their whole lives, even

787
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,760
you know, all this time,
and I mean I did comparisons for the

788
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:29,199
whole thing. It's not fireworks,
it's not vehicles, it's not helicopters.

789
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:35,760
It's not arcing of light from any
electrical cable. It's not anything from the

790
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,880
quarry or the golf course. It's
not lightning on the ground. It's none

791
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:44,880
of that natural weather phenomenon that you
describe. There's very few things that would

792
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:52,159
match these configurations anyway. And you
know, hovering and tilting vertically and the

793
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:55,360
like partner that we saw. You
know, Please to me, what vehicle

794
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,760
does that or any kind of craft
that you can think of besides us?

795
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:04,760
I guess, yeah, I mean
was there. Well, it just remains

796
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,840
a mystery then really as to what
it was, well, I can describe.

797
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,719
I mean in their minds, it's
a it's an extraterrestrial craft. And

798
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,119
then I mean, if we don't
have them, I would I mean I'm

799
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,559
not saying that it wasn't, you
know, but I mean with me,

800
00:57:17,719 --> 00:57:21,519
I mean I was remin open minded. It's skeptical, but I mean,

801
00:57:21,719 --> 00:57:25,119
I mean I keep hearing about all
this reverse engineering stuff. But if these

802
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:29,039
things are not if we can't reverse
if we can't build them, a reverse

803
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:32,239
engineer them, and what's left?
You know what I mean? I mean,

804
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,280
to me, I think it is
an extraterrestrial vehicle of some sort.

805
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,079
You know. The question is where
they come from? Yeah? Absolutely,

806
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:43,599
North Wales is notorious for having things
coming in and out of the sea.

807
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,800
I mean, there's been so many
freaking sightings up there. It's unbelievable.

808
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,280
You know, you've got the Berwin
Mountains in nineteen seventy four. There's a

809
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,199
book coming out now with Philip Mantle
with Mark Oley, is it with the

810
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:59,800
Gary Rose case from nineteen eighty three. Then you've got this one of course,

811
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:04,920
and you've got night the triangles up
there, because if that came from

812
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,559
South Wales to the north, then
you've got the one case I mentioned in

813
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:16,800
the book, it's called in nineteen
seventy nine that involved the craft coming out

814
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:22,719
of the sky and landing with three
occupants inside. I mean I were during

815
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,920
the Welsh Triangle. The broad Haven
thing is very incredible too if it's in

816
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,039
around that area. But Wales is
a small country. It wouldn't take long

817
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:35,559
for any of these craft to cover
the distance given the seeds they can go.

818
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:42,280
Yeah, it sounds like it's an
absolute hotbed, especially especially up there

819
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,599
in the north, on the on
the north coast. Well, I've got

820
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,840
a lady now, who's I'm just
trying to I was hoping I might be

821
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,960
able to go and see her in
the place. I think it was called

822
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:57,920
Parsons Beach or some Penson beaches there, Pinzan or something in there coming in

823
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:04,320
Flandadeno area. Okay, I'm trying
to remember the details here, but a

824
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:14,119
very rainy weeks holiday in Clandon.
Now yeah, child, well what I

825
00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:21,920
imagine you're probably well grown adult now
h yeah, I'm certainly getting along in

826
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,239
the tooth. Let's put it that
way. It's interesting, is it,

827
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:29,599
because you've got you've got angles see
up there, and of course there's a

828
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,360
there's a nuclear power station. Isn't
there an angle? See? I was

829
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,000
do you know what? But I
have look, I know there was a

830
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,159
nuclear power station there. I didn't
think it was around that area. There

831
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:44,760
is there is one angle? Say, yeah, definitely, because we actually

832
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,280
drove past it. When we did, we did a too well, we

833
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:53,039
sort of drove around angles see in
a in a day because it's for people

834
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:58,840
who don't know it's it's a fairly
small island off the off the north coast

835
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:05,039
of of Wales. We were staying
in Beaumaris at the time, so we

836
01:00:05,559 --> 01:00:08,480
we just went through a drive around
and we actually stopped at the petrol station

837
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:15,519
and you could see the power station
just literally maybe half a mile just just

838
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:21,760
just down the just down the coast, and it was playing Havoc with the

839
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,679
central locking in the car, and
I actually went into the into the garage

840
01:00:25,679 --> 01:00:29,599
and said, I've got a problem
with central locking and he said, oh,

841
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:32,360
it's all right, it's just the
radiation from the nuclear power station.

842
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:37,320
It'll it'll settle down. And I
was like, oh. And the thing

843
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,320
was my wife, Sarah was about
six months pregnant at the time, so

844
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:45,960
we met a hasty retreat. But
the reason I mentioned that is because I

845
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:52,239
have mentioned this before to other people
about nuclear power stations and military installations.

846
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:57,559
We have a lot of sightings up
in the more Convey area of Lancashire,

847
01:00:57,679 --> 01:01:04,679
and we have two nuclear house stations
at Hetiam, which is just just south

848
01:01:04,719 --> 01:01:07,119
of Morecambe, and there are a
lot of UFO sightings in that area and

849
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:12,440
there have been historically going back well
over one hundred years. And I'm just

850
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,320
wondering whether it's the same sort of
thing on in North Wales because of the

851
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:22,119
proximity of that nuclear power station on
angles, I would have to say it's

852
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:25,840
definitely yes. It's interesting, isn't
it. There are sort of there are

853
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:30,440
sort of correlations I think in a
lot of these areas. Whether there are

854
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:36,920
similarities, it's been it's a fascinating
story, and I do I do actually

855
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,360
feel a little bit for the family
because obviously they've they've been you know,

856
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:51,440
not particularly well treated by certain sections
of yeah, the press or whatever people

857
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:55,480
people trying to debunk them. So
yeah, I mean, I would urge

858
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,719
anybody who's listening to this to go
to go and buy the book. How

859
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:01,119
many books if you're written altogether,
Gary, if you don't bund me asking

860
01:02:01,719 --> 01:02:07,360
to But maybe I'll do a few
more the Penturk Incidents. That's a co

861
01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:09,840
author book with me and cars Clark, the then be Legs. Yeah,

862
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:15,760
and maybe in the future I'll have
another one then with more that would be

863
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,960
the more series of cases they've done. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have

864
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,519
a website or anything where people can
get hold of you. I'm only your

865
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:24,119
Facebook at the minute. I was
going to get a website going, but

866
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:28,400
I got so much going on I
cannot. I can't really devote so much

867
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,440
time to all these other little things. But I'm on Facebook and the Gary

868
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:35,639
John so you can find me there, okay. And if people will send

869
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:39,360
you any stories or startings or anything
from from your area, the Cando obviously

870
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:44,519
through through Facebook. Yeah, they
can do it. Through Facebook. Yeah,

871
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:50,239
that's usually where I like to meet
people or contact people, because maybe

872
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,679
I will set up a website at
some point just to say, you know,

873
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,519
people want to yeah, yeah,
just get in contact with you and

874
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,440
that. Yeah, well I know
people might want an email. Remember,

875
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:01,800
but I don't really have those facilities
right now, because I mean it's a

876
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:06,000
lot of work. You know,
I'm busy with so many things I can't

877
01:03:06,039 --> 01:03:09,039
really yeah, the vote, So
I'm trying to cut back on the number

878
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:12,840
of things that I'm doing because you
know, it's it's sort of like eats

879
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,719
away my time. Yeah, absolutely, I know exactly what you mean.

880
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:21,000
It's it's a very it's a very
fine fine balancing acts, especially you know

881
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,360
when you've got to when you're working
full time and you've got a family and

882
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:30,199
everything else. It's you know,
it can become all consuming and all it

883
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,199
can take over your life. So
I can I can fully understand where you're

884
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:37,480
coming from with that one. Yeah, but maybe at some point I will.

885
01:03:38,119 --> 01:03:42,039
But I mean, at some point
I do do intend to take a

886
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,800
break from it because I want to
do a bit of traveling around the country

887
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,000
and I'll just see a few places
you spend a few nights here, a

888
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:50,840
few nights there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Facebook's probably the best

889
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,320
best place to get hold of you
and obviously go out and buy your books.

890
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,760
That's that's the name thing. Yeah. I'll give you a link to

891
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,480
all of that anyway, and then
you can put it on on the thing

892
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:03,840
if you want. I will.
I will put it on the on the

893
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,239
description for the podcast. Yeah,
that'll be that brilliant. Well, it's

894
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,320
been great talking to you, Gary, Thanks for giving us your time this

895
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:15,840
evening. It's been a really really
interesting I mean it's it's been a story

896
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:20,320
that I've not really should have done
much research about. So it's always great

897
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:25,000
to hear about these sort of stories
that you know, I don't know much

898
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,800
about it anywhere. So it's been
it's been fantastic talking to you. Thank

899
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,639
you. You're welcome, Craig,
thank you, Thank you. You can

900
01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:39,400
visit my website at www dot Craig
Bryant dot co dot uk. Parrymalpendle will

901
01:04:39,480 --> 01:05:08,159
return and remember to keep watching the
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