WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:09.160 You're watching Your Worst Friend Going Deeper Season five. Today's guest adult content creator, 2 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:13.720 author, and podcaster Elena Saint James. Here's your hosts, Matt and 3 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.120 Shane. You're watching Your Worst Friend Going Deeper Season five. I'm Matt and 4 00:00:18.239 --> 00:00:23.199 I'm joined by my lovely co host Shane. Hello. Go to your Worst 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:26.239 Friend dot com to see all of our other interviews and follow us on social 6 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:32.560 media at Worst Friend Cast. Today we're joined by very special guests. You 7 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:37.200 might know her from her podcast Chat and Laugh or her book How to Date 8 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:41.000 a Hot Older Woman. You can find her on Twitter and Instagram at Elena 9 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:46.280 Saint James. And most importantly, go subscribe to her only Fans because we're 10 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:49.840 going to learn about how successful she is at that. And you don't get 11 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:54.119 successful by you know, updating once every three weeks and it's just kind of 12 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:58.759 like a picture of your thigh. So the quality of the content is just 13 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:00.880 you know, off the chart, and this is how she makes her bones. 14 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.200 So I want you to go to her Only Fans at Elena Underscore Saint 15 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:10.239 James. Ladies and gentlemen join us and welcoming to the show. The alluring, 16 00:01:10.879 --> 00:01:15.599 the mature, the beautiful Elena Saint James. Well, hi guys, 17 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.840 Elena, thank you very much for joining us today. How are you. 18 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:25.000 I'm doing well and I'm glad to be here. I'm glad to be with 19 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:29.599 young guys that have an old soul to them, Like, how old are 20 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:34.400 you? Guys? Do you discuss toy with that with your audience? Turn 21 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.840 thirty six next month. I was born in eighty seven, Shane, you 22 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.799 are just a few months younger than him. Okay, okay, yeah, 23 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:46.400 so it's kind of like a brother thing where you're like and I'm or like 24 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.000 a twin thing, like I came out second, so I'm I'm technically younger. 25 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.079 Well, yeah, technically yes. You know. The interesting thing is 26 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.400 you say brothers, because I do feel like Shane is like a brother in 27 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:59.640 me. But the first thing we bonded over, right, Shane in the 28 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:05.400 back of Kelly's class. Yeah, freshman year. It was killing up the 29 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.879 reclass. No, it was, yeah, that's true. The first thing 30 00:02:08.919 --> 00:02:12.879 Shane did say to me was how would I what's the best way to kill 31 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:15.599 my stepfather and get away with it? And I didn't immediately brush him off. 32 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:20.159 I just went I could come up with some stuff for you. But 33 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:23.919 the main thing we touched on coronary heart disease. That was the easy one. 34 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.479 Did not do that, it was oh that is what. Yeah, 35 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.199 I played the long one. Here you go. Would you like some more 36 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:39.000 bacon? Yeah, if you did bacon in it? Or what is it 37 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.719 pork bellies. It's so great. There's so many choices. No, don't, 38 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.960 don't get up and walk. No, stay stay on the couch. 39 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:52.800 Yeah, we get that for you. The correct answer was pornography formers that 40 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:57.080 we both enjoyed and liked. And Shane and I have never really been like 41 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.919 guys who didn't have girlfriends, guys weren't getting laid anything like that. But 42 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:07.199 there's just something that seems so fun about porn and so fun about the adult 43 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:12.639 entertainment world. And I'm we've talked to enough girls at this point in men 44 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.199 actually as well, where we know there are pitfalls at some point. It 45 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.120 is just a job, you know, and maybe they don't love it and 46 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.080 whatever. But what I've seen from you, Lena is a really interesting thing 47 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:28.039 that Shane has pointed out in the past on some of our interviews. He 48 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.680 didn't like that girls wouldn't do and I think you're the opposite. I know 49 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.840 that sounds really weird and vague and ominous, but we'll get around to it. 50 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:40.080 Could you tell us a brief overview Elena, because I think you could 51 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:44.759 tell your origin story for hours in detail, but if you could just give 52 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:50.280 us a brief overview of how Elena Saint James was born into the adult entertainment 53 00:03:50.360 --> 00:03:55.199 world. So I was at a low paying office job. I was making 54 00:03:55.240 --> 00:04:00.159 around thirty grand a year. I took it because it was a nice nine 55 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.960 to five that I could be a good mom and I could, you know, 56 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:11.439 work and have a schedule. So I was doing that and I happened 57 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:15.960 upon a couple articles about OnlyFans, and I started going a deep dive and 58 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:19.399 I saw these women. They were not they were not porn actresses. They 59 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:25.720 were actually just OnlyFans, and they were making over one hundred thousand dollars a 60 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.839 month. And I was like, oh my god, if I could make 61 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:31.040 a tenth of that, and I'll never forget it almost gives me chills every 62 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:34.519 time I mentioned it. If I could make a tenth of that every month, 63 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.240 if I could make ten thousand, it would be life changing for me 64 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.519 and my son. Sure, right, And I mean I had had professional 65 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.079 were professional jobs where I had made close to that in my past before I 66 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.399 was a mom. But I was traveling all the time. I was in 67 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:56.959 consumer product sales. I was traveling all the time, so you know, 68 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.639 I looked into it and I thought this is too good to be true, 69 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.839 because I was somebody that always kind of thought, you know, like wow, 70 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.319 exotic dancers, and that's kind of cool. I never wanted to be 71 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:10.759 important, because that was not I was just too conservative and too monogamous in 72 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:15.279 my way. But I had always liked the glamor of that kind of stuff, 73 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.519 the cheeky stuff, the playboy all of that. Like, I thought 74 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:23.519 that was really cool. And so I thought, gosh, you know, 75 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:27.240 like they're pretty, but they're not Giselle Bunchin. You know, they're not 76 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.879 perfection sure, and I thought, gosh, maybe I'm a tenth of as 77 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.920 good looking as they are. Maybe I can do something with this. So 78 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.639 long story short, Within a month and a half, I was I knew 79 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:46.600 I was making I was making two times my monthly salary at the job forty 80 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:51.759 hours a week, and so I took the plunge. So by the month 81 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:58.720 three, I had made ten thousand dollars on OnlyFans, so and then it's 82 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:02.000 gone up since then. You know, as far as I know, there 83 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:05.600 might be somebody lying, but I'm the most successful creator over the age of 84 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:11.000 fifty five on OnlyFans. I'm not going to say like, oh, it's 85 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.480 so much work. I mean, it is work. It's a hustle, 86 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:15.959 it's a grind, it's an every day you know, it's it's all just 87 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:23.879 all these different platforms and trying to advertise yourself and build a brand. Elena 88 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:30.040 Saint James came with the funny thing is my last name on here came from 89 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.480 I was trying. I at first thought I was going to have a dominatrix 90 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:38.560 kind of bent to my I thought that because I'm a business person, I 91 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:43.639 understand you need a niche and I understand that you need something to stand out, 92 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.399 and I thought it was going to be that. So I thought, 93 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:51.439 okay, what sounds like sexy? I even googled sexy female names and I 94 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:57.680 one of the things I realized is they said three, like Elena, you 95 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.000 know, like three, what does that? Very syllable? Almost thank you 96 00:07:01.000 --> 00:07:04.600 are sexier than others? Right, So I thought, okay, so I 97 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:09.720 really went deep dive into names, and I was like, what's sexy, 98 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:14.920 what's sophisticated? Saint James. I'd one of the loves of my life had 99 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.480 the middle name of Saint George because and he was very, you know, 100 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:23.319 fancy sure, and so I was like, okay, Saint George, that's 101 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:26.800 not as sexy Saint James. Saint James, and then I think, and 102 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:31.600 I think unwittingly the fifty Shades of Gray. I think it was E. 103 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.439 L. James. So there's a thing there. But anyway, so I 104 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:42.199 gave my name. And what I realized though, is my fans just liked 105 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:48.079 my kind of cheeky, cute, wink and a smile, natural personality. 106 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:54.920 They didn't want my playful dominatrix and it's part of me. But it's actually 107 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:00.720 easier to sustain this who I am here because it's really close to who I 108 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:07.839 am than you know, some kind of enchantress or whatever. So that's how 109 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:13.399 Lena Saint James started. Reels were really essential to what I did to getting 110 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:18.800 guys interested, and I think they saw it in my eyes that when I 111 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.120 was doing a reel it was more And at that time I was fifty four, 112 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.480 and it was more like we're doing this? Is this funny? How 113 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.639 cute is this? How funny is this? You're watching me and I'm fifty 114 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:33.600 four and you think this is fun? And I get to do this for 115 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.440 a living. I get to do this at this age. Who does this? 116 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:39.960 Well? Me? But you know what I mean. It's like usually 117 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.360 those sexy times, those glory times in your life happened when you're in your 118 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:50.039 twenties. That's and it did for me too, like whenever, right, 119 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:54.440 It's like that's when you get to explore that part of you. So how 120 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.279 cool is it that I get to have this now? I guess it would 121 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.639 be like if a professional athlete get their stride when they were in their fifties 122 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.720 instead of you know, like yeah, that would be so free and you 123 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:13.000 could appreciate it so much more because you'd know your power. You get to 124 00:09:13.039 --> 00:09:16.720 appreciate it. You're the Tom Brady of only fans. But yes, but 125 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:22.759 like if Tom Brady started playing when he was like thirty two or that's fair, 126 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.639 okay, okay, or you know, if he took a break because 127 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:28.919 like you know, you said you had, you know, a wild stint 128 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:31.120 in your twenties. So it's like maybe he played good in college, he 129 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.399 took a break, then he came back at thirty eight and then dominated the 130 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:39.519 pros for ten right there you go, yeah, right, yeah, because 131 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.320 I was I was a miller girl for a while, and you know, 132 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:46.679 so I would go out and be like sure and take pictures with guys and 133 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.639 are you know, autographed stuff, And I did a lot of kind of 134 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:56.399 that fun stuff. I respect you one hundred percent for what you did. 135 00:09:56.440 --> 00:10:00.600 I believe Shane your wife. At for a while, I was doing that 136 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.240 type of promotion as well, right modeling, Yeah, sure, all respect 137 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:09.519 to the only fan stuff too. And I understand our audience or this is 138 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:11.840 a comedy show, Elena's just so you know, I understand our audience is 139 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:18.600 cool. Guys getting those autographs to me are the same type of guys who 140 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:22.919 comment on porn hub videos. Maybe they should be like, like watched a 141 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.519 little bit, Like I understand getting the picture taken next to the pretty girl, 142 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.440 obviously, but then to get an autograph afterwards, it's very nice, 143 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.039 but it it creeps me out to an extent. It's funny, but this 144 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.919 was back in the nineties. I mean, you really have to go back. 145 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:41.000 That's one of us. I think the funniest thing. And it really 146 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:45.399 the first time I was dressed as cold patrol and we went in and this 147 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:50.759 was like, is it foreigner that has that cold ere? She's as cold 148 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.039 cold? Yeah. Yeah, So we would come in. We had, 149 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:58.039 oh my god, it was the funniest things we had. These we had 150 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:01.279 it was Miller genuine draft was cold as ice, cold filtered. That was 151 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.840 the big deal. And we had these giant canisters that were basically like fire 152 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:09.720 extinguishers on our back. So we would have these things and we would come 153 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:13.639 in and we would spray them so it would be the cold myss and then 154 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.039 we'd come in. It was very dramatic. I loved it, and I 155 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:22.440 mean it was fun. It's totally yeah, totally, And I even understand 156 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:26.919 the conventions going and getting autographs from people, and I have no I am 157 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.559 not even making judgment. Again, all due respect to you. Now it 158 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:35.240 was weird. I was okay, okay, well, I mean, now 159 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:41.320 you are Elena Saint James, your autograph is worth No, they could have 160 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:46.759 known she was Sally Jane back then. She just said, but I wasn't 161 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.879 Sally Jane. I'm not going to give you my real name, but OK, 162 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:54.759 okay that that might exist. There might be guys that have pictures now 163 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.360 I look different. I had giant hair, you know, but it was 164 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.960 me that primary. Somebody's gonna be like, oh my god, that was 165 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.399 that Miller girl. But and I would I would sign that was weird. 166 00:12:05.399 --> 00:12:09.440 Though sometimes they'd have me sign. I'll never forget there was. This happened 167 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.960 a few times, guys that wanted me to sign their heads or body parts 168 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.879 with sharpies. That's yeah, you know, like I just drove here from 169 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:22.879 you know, home. I feel like I got came here on a jet. 170 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:28.519 Yeah, well, sure that one I understand if Yeah, yeah, 171 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.279 no, I think that's great. I think that's you know, that's fine. 172 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.279 People can collect whatever they want to collect. I just if I were 173 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.039 to see a guy like just going up to again, no, no disrespect 174 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.559 to you, but at that point, you're just a pretty girl with a 175 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.720 chorus shirt on, right and going I was that wasn't famous, but you 176 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:50.720 know it's it's a little bit of fame, even micro fame. Even right 177 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:52.799 now, I think I have a micro fan. Even though I've had a 178 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.360 lot of coverage from international media and stuff, but it's still micro fame. 179 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:01.639 What this is done, though, guys, is it really has let me 180 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:09.120 understand a lot about people and it's an and celebrity. Sure, you know, 181 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.039 it's in what way? Like what have you learned that's new that you 182 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:16.320 didn't really understand before. By the way, there are three main professions that 183 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.559 all of the most successful girls we've talked to all used to be in before 184 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:26.000 sales like you, psychology, which I think plays into a big part on 185 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:31.320 being able to talk to somebody, and marketing and it is without it, 186 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:37.000 you've got nothing. That's a question I always ask people, and please go 187 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.279 back to what you were talking about if you want real quick, But do 188 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:43.519 you think and I yeah, do you think if a girl who would be 189 00:13:43.559 --> 00:13:50.480 more successful in the industry you're in a girl who's a woman who's a ten 190 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.519 out of ten but has no idea what Instagram is or a five out of 191 00:13:54.559 --> 00:14:00.720 ten who knows the algorithm like the back of her hand. Well, first 192 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:05.519 of all, the algorithm is always changing, so you don't you're not going 193 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.840 to outwit the people at Meta. I'm just not. So you know, 194 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.240 it's a crapshoot, And I mean my god, I had viral videos or 195 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:20.360 viral reels and I didn't know they were me in a satin floral robe. 196 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.120 Twenty million, twenty six million, nineteen million views. This is back in 197 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:30.120 November. I wouldn't have had any idea. Now once I knew that that 198 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:35.320 was successful. Now I've look like a dead horse, and you'll see that's 199 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:41.039 become like a signature. But but it's it's about there's two things with success 200 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.840 with OnlyFans. First, you got you have to have a niche. Sure, 201 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:50.759 thankfully mine is just part of it is I'm old and but that you 202 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.200 know, what makes you different? And like if I was your mom, 203 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.559 I would say this, like what makes you different, Matt of what makes 204 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.480 me special? Oh uh, I'm really hard to be around. Different. 205 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.360 Yeah, Shane's incredibly difficult to have conversations with. That's why I decided to 206 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.399 start a podcast with them. Me. I guess my penis is just larger 207 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.000 than the average porn star. So there's that. But what my niche would 208 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.879 be, No, I don't know, just chatting with people and not getting 209 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:26.080 overwhelmed talking to the most beautiful women in the world. You know, my 210 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.679 n it should be angry muck bangs see you, but you know yourself. 211 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.240 But that's when when you're talking OnlyFans or any marketing, what makes you different? 212 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:41.879 There are so many more women out there that are I'm not saying this, 213 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:43.919 but like, oh, please compliment me. It's not that, it's 214 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:48.799 there are so many more beautiful women than I am on there, beautiful, 215 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.639 perfect. I don't know if they have any cellulite, like, they're perfect. 216 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:56.919 They are gorgeous. A lot of them are much younger than me, 217 00:15:58.480 --> 00:16:03.120 and I make men many, many, many, many times more money than 218 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.440 they do. Why why it's I have a niche, because that's part of 219 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.240 it. The other girl is a hot girl, and you have a niche 220 00:16:11.440 --> 00:16:14.600 and you are a hot older woman. You know, got the brand and 221 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.960 yeah, and that's that's huge. That's huge. Plus I know my niche, 222 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.519 I know my brand. I have a brand, and I know it. 223 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:29.279 There's a lot of these very successful OnlyFans creator if you say, what's 224 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.519 your brand, they don't even know what their brand. Sometimes I tell them 225 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:33.759 what their brand is. If I'm friendly with them, I'll be like, 226 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:37.200 listen, this is what your brand is. Oh my guess I never thought 227 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.559 of it that way now. Sometimes people just kind of step into luck and 228 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:48.879 or they got in early. I've seen a lot of really successful OnlyFans creators 229 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:53.440 that Again, I'm a business person. I look at their brand and I 230 00:16:53.519 --> 00:17:00.440 go, well, they know it unconsciously or consciously. But some of it's 231 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:03.200 luck. Some of it with me is luck. I'm not going to pretend 232 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.200 that I'm some genius. There is some knowledge and then there's some luck. 233 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:15.759 But one of the parts about being successful and OnlyFans you look, there's an 234 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:22.640 authenticity and accessibility that if you look too perfect, you don't you don't have 235 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:26.200 you know, you look fake. Yeah, yeah, we've talked about that 236 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:32.640 before too. There are people who love the high glitz and glamour of the 237 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:37.440 big name companies that do shoots right brassers or reality king stuff like that. 238 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:44.400 We spoke to another model recently, Catherine Knight Beautiful Girl Chilean out of Budapest, 239 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:48.799 and she says she does not want to shoot the cell phone type foot 240 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:52.200 She wants professional lighting. She wants this and that and that is her brand. 241 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.039 You know, when you're going to sign up for her thing, you're 242 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:59.920 getting maybe not as many updates as the girl. That's like taking a picture 243 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.319 clam every morning, but you're getting, you know, the highest quality thing. 244 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.559 And then there are some guys like me and I think Shane to an 245 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:11.559 extent where I made this joke last time, but I like watching a porn 246 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:17.960 video where you can hear unlicensed Metallica music in the background. You know why, 247 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:23.119 because that's against service? Well sure, sure, but I think you 248 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:29.440 get what I mean where I like seeing something where it's pretty pretty but also 249 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:33.920 real. And I think I have not dove too deeply into only fans only 250 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:37.680 because we talked to so many women. I would feel terrible canceling a subscription, 251 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.319 so I try not to jump into them. But I think that's the 252 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:47.000 idea behind it. It's almost like you're talking to and that's a dangerous line 253 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:51.359 to walk too. You're talking to a friend every day, and this friend 254 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.759 is engaging you with sexuality as well, and it feels so much better than 255 00:18:56.759 --> 00:19:03.160 throwing your credit card into again a major name site and just never having any 256 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.400 interaction with this person they know. I don't know dating too, validating your 257 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:10.799 kinks and all that shit. I don't know what you offer on yours, 258 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:12.200 and if you'd like to tell us, that would be great, But the 259 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.680 idea of you know, oh my god, I could pay for it and 260 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:18.359 it's just a couple of dollars here or there. I could pay for a 261 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:22.960 video of Elnea Saint James saying my name or whatever, or doing this like 262 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:26.599 a custom video thing, or a lot of girls do dick ratings or this, 263 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:32.759 and that there is a deep personal connection that only fans satisfies between the 264 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.960 viewer and the viewing. Now that also walks a line I want to ask 265 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:38.559 you first, let me ask you what do you offer on your only fans? 266 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:44.519 Yeah? So, mostly because I handle I do my own page. 267 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:48.400 There are some that use assistance. I don't you know, I'm not. 268 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:52.160 I can see the benefits of that because sometimes you can deal with people that 269 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:57.839 are not very nice, you know. So what I offer. I don't 270 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:02.400 do customs like I used to when I was a smaller creator. I just 271 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:06.079 get inundated. Plus I have to worry at this point because I've gotten so 272 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.640 much press. Could that come around and bite me in the ass if I'm 273 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:15.839 doing something that I don't like. I don't know. Or the other thing 274 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:21.680 is sometimes you get leaks of things that I have done that are used to 275 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:27.000 catfish others, So I so pictures. I learned this from somebody else. 276 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.319 They said, you know, sometimes pictures and videos that are specific poses things 277 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:40.160 can be used to catfish or they will be used on dating sites specific So 278 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:45.440 I really don't do that much anymore. Now. If somebody sends me a 279 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:48.079 tip and has a question for me, a lot of times I'll answer with 280 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.160 a voice note, so that's really personal. Now, if they do like 281 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.880 a twenty five dollars tip or fifty dollars tip, I might do a short 282 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.000 little video of just hey, you know, and I'll use their name. 283 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.559 And that's thing I do dick raatings, but I always say that they're silly, 284 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.440 because they are. And now maybe this is because I'm a woman, 285 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:10.920 but I give this caveat. I'm like, I'll do a dickorating and I'll 286 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:14.599 do the video or a number. They're all eight and a half. I've 287 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:18.440 seen it. I've seen some less, but generally, first of all, 288 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:23.759 I'm a human and I first of all, no woman would want any body 289 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:29.720 part rated ever, can you imagine? No? No, I agree with 290 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:32.880 that yet right, Like, I mean, if you want to be safe 291 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:37.079 as a man, you're never going to rate a breast or something. I 292 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.720 mean, I'll do it. I'll do it to my wife later at the 293 00:21:38.799 --> 00:21:41.799 night and see how she reacts to that. Good good luck to you. 294 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:49.799 But man, get off on it, so I really and I usually say, 295 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:53.759 listen, it's a keeper. Whatever it is, it's silly. But 296 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:57.599 if you get off on it, if that's something that really trips your trigger, 297 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:00.880 I'll take a look at your penis, because that's really what it's about. 298 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:04.039 You want me to look at your penis and talk about it, okay. 299 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.559 But what I'm not going to do is what a lot of creators do 300 00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:11.640 is like, oh god, oh my god, that gets me so turned 301 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.880 on, because it's disingenuous. Women don't get turned on by seeing a dick. 302 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:21.519 Pic. Sure, tell them that funny or smart. Everyone I send 303 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:32.359 them to really likes them someone unless somebody asks for it, surprise. But 304 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.160 you know, here's the thing is women, most women will look at other 305 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:40.720 things in the room, like you could, Matt do this, but you 306 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.720 could show me your dick right now. I'll look at the dick and I'll 307 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:47.680 be like, okay, does he look you know, well kept or whatever, 308 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:49.920 I might comment, and then I'm going to look at the couch behind 309 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.200 you, and I'm gonna look at whatever that thing is that it is a 310 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.119 camera, like, because I'm a woman and I'm going to look at that 311 00:22:56.200 --> 00:22:57.680 kind of stuff. I'm going to look at the stuff that Shane has in 312 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:03.759 the background. And you know it's like, Okay, yeah, there's your 313 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.799 dick in your room. But does it make you excited that I'm wealthy enough 314 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.319 to afford a green screen or No? I was just wondering, Okay, 315 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.119 what that might a little bit? No, I don't know. Can I 316 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:19.119 tell you how adorably It'll send you a pickup money and you a big water 317 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:23.640 money in a picture, and see how I tell you how adorably innocent? 318 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.000 Elena Saint James's to the people that are listening here, she pointed out the 319 00:23:27.039 --> 00:23:32.559 couch in the background. This is the back room casting couch couch, which 320 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:34.279 is, you know, one of the bigger sights on the way. You 321 00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.440 know what, man, there you go, there you go all blue light 322 00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:41.799 that? Yeah, what is that? What does that mean? Blue light 323 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:48.400 for bodily fluids? You blue? Oh, you look at like you're a 324 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:53.400 CSI guy looking at You're talking about casting couches And I've heard things about porn 325 00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:56.440 couches, So so yes, I do the dick, right, It's not 326 00:23:56.480 --> 00:24:00.880 a big deal of mine. I'd rather guys just spend the money on buying 327 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.759 videos. I mean, especially either my solo videos, which is where I 328 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:12.279 started, and then I started doing content with men with porn stars, So 329 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:18.039 go big or go home, kids like you know, that's what I would 330 00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:22.680 love to get into. So what was your right coming into doing OnlyFans? 331 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:25.720 What was your comfort level on this? Now you'd done some you know, 332 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.480 you'd done the promo work prior to that. Yeah, was it a I 333 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.039 mean, you just jumped right into OnlyFans. I guess it sounds like right 334 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.000 it wasn't like nude modeling. And then okay, okay, nope, no, 335 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:41.559 I'd never done anything like that, had never could never consider doing anything 336 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:45.039 like that. And then I thought, okay, you know, like I'm 337 00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:49.200 comfortable enough with my body, and so I did the nudity and then then 338 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.839 my fans kind of told me what they wanted, and I thought, okay, 339 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:56.279 I can self pleasure myself on camera, and that kind of did turn 340 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.400 me on. I kind of liked knowing that. No, I did need 341 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:03.400 to see the results all the time. And now I have thousands of subscribers. 342 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:07.000 I don't need to see every you know, like, hey, look 343 00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:10.880 you made me hard, you made this. Yeah, okay, cool, 344 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:15.200 I'm doing my job. That's great. I'm glad. I'm glad I don't 345 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:21.200 need proof because there I would be drowning in in dick pics if that was 346 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:25.119 the case. If only we could be so lucky. Yeah, I think 347 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.000 it's really like guys just want to show it. Yeah. I don't know 348 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:33.480 what it's like a yeah, any dating any dating site, what are you 349 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.160 going to see as a woman and any woman. I don't know how many 350 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:41.839 people women watch this, but it's the guys that put their fish and there, 351 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:51.559 here's my car, here's my motorcycle, look at it. Yeah yeah, 352 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.519 they should allow that on Tinder. It's just like a fish tank that's 353 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:57.759 stuck to your body. Yeah yeah yeah. So I so I just did 354 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:03.200 the solo thing and for two years all I heard, of course was real 355 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:08.440 duke, real duke. And that's exactly how they sounded in my mind, 356 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:15.400 all of our listeners. Yep, yeah, big overlap man, and and 357 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:17.720 I was just like, well, let's see because I'm single, and it 358 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.119 really made me mad, Like can you imagine if you were totally single, 359 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.680 you didn't have anyone in your life, and then you had people that were 360 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.480 like, Matt, I want to see you with a real woman. I 361 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.119 want and you're like, yeah, I do too, And so that was 362 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.960 in my mind. But I was like, I am not going to just 363 00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.160 do that with anybody, because that's just not how I roll. So then 364 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.119 I started thinking from a business standpoint and I was like, okay, if 365 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.599 I'm going to do this, and I I did ask many times for like 366 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:52.480 six months. An old boyfriend that I was still friends with, and I 367 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.519 was like, will you please? And he was like, I don't know, 368 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:00.240 I don't know. God's pressure. Yeah, what happened? Did he 369 00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:03.400 turn gay after he left you? No? No, no no. But 370 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:07.079 he was like, what if my family finds out? Not? You know, 371 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.119 we've been a part for twenty years, And he wouldn't do it, 372 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.160 even if his camp. I was like, I don't even need your face, 373 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.880 I just need your dick. No, he wasn't going to do it. 374 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.440 So I was like, all right, what do I need? What 375 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:27.319 does Alana Saint James need? I need somebody that can get hard, that 376 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.200 can stay hard. Can I talk this way? On your podcast. Yeah, 377 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.480 the only thing you can't say, fuck stick, that's the only thing. 378 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.680 But that's what I need. So I was looking for a big fuck 379 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.039 stick. Okay, I didn't It didn't need to be big. It needed 380 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.440 to stay hard, it needed to pop on demand. And I needed to 381 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:52.319 know that they were fully tested, that they were conscious about that, and 382 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.559 that they weren't going to get stockerish on like I need those are That's what 383 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.359 I needed. And I just didn't need some weirdo from off this street. 384 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.279 I needed somebody that I was a professional. So a friend of mine had 385 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.519 said, you know, when I made mine, she was a big OnlyFans 386 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.480 careator. She goes, you know, I hired somebody in England that was 387 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:17.799 a professional. Okay, So I started shopping. I started pooring after shopping, 388 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.960 and I got to tell you, it's fun. I would assume a 389 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.319 lot of guys. There's a lot of gross stuff that I saw too, 390 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:30.119 But it's empowering as a woman, as a fifty at the time, let's 391 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:33.440 say, fifty five year old woman. And I was like, all right, 392 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.319 well it's not it's it's not picking what cereal is going to make it 393 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:42.759 happy tomorrow morning. You're literally looking at a cast of people and going any 394 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:47.640 of these pretty much I could get to pleasure me in any way I want. 395 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.839 So yeah, I get why that's imposed really pleasure me though, Like 396 00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:52.839 that's what I want, That's what I meant. Yeah, no, that's 397 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.960 what I meant from your respect. Yeah, I hunks and meat. Yeah 398 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:03.960 yeah. It was wonderful, And so I talked to a couple and ended 399 00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.079 up talking to the two that you know stood out the most and stood up. 400 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:12.759 I guess, yeah, but I so my first collab, but it 401 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.160 wasn't a clab. I own. I own it, like I contracted them 402 00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:23.920 as if I was a studio. I contracted their services they're acting services. 403 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:30.039 And was first Lucas Frost, who's who had just turned thirty two. I 404 00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:34.279 was fifty five, and he was kind of an old soul like you guys, 405 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:38.799 kind of like he kind of understood some of the you know, older 406 00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:45.319 references, and he was great and so made too. I mean, it 407 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:48.160 was awkward and it was weird, like one of the things I didn't know 408 00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:52.039 because I've never been on a porn studio set. I don't know if I 409 00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:55.720 ever will. We can talk about that if you want to because I think 410 00:29:55.720 --> 00:30:00.960 it's an interesting thing of why there's an empowering factor of never doing studio porn. 411 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.559 But you know, I was just like, I don't know what you 412 00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:11.440 do because I'm a woman that's used to having a guy that desires me, 413 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.599 that does his moves, and then we gradually get to know each other and 414 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.160 that we're making out and then it progresses and this it was like zero to 415 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:26.480 sixty, All right, let's stick it in sure. So so that awkwardness, 416 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.200 I mean, did that did that manifest as soon as you were around 417 00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:34.079 Lucas or did it go into when you were starting to film? And again, 418 00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.680 I'm not it was weird. It was weird thing. It was like 419 00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:41.880 we you know, we met and had a had a drink and then you 420 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:45.680 know, went upstairs and I was like, okay, well I guess I'll 421 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.440 just take off my clothes. But did you My question was more did you 422 00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:55.519 know how to Again I'm not no, no, no, how to shoot 423 00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.720 it? How to shoot it? Like another professional? Right? Right? 424 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.319 Well, think about it. I had performed with my good co star, 425 00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:10.039 my dildo Torso before and like so I kind of knew obviously it never I 426 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.200 mean, it was funny. I remember when he was and I flew him 427 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.640 to the Midwest to to film. But he was like, well, I 428 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.519 certainly hope that I'll bring a little bit more life into your videos. And 429 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.039 but so it was strange, but he helped. He definitely helped. Like 430 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.799 I understood camera and angles and that sort of thing, but he definitely was 431 00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.160 there to help kind of guide and open up. And that's another reason to 432 00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.920 get to work with a professional, Like he understood those things and he was 433 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.880 comfortable with it. So yeah, he was great. And then the second 434 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:48.599 one, I the second time that I flew somebody out, it was with 435 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:53.200 Ryan Driller, who was just a freaking pro and he's the Superman you know 436 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.480 that. You know Ryan Driller, Like, I mean, yeah name, 437 00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.400 yeah, yeah, I know more female names, but the name Driller really 438 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.400 sets something in my mind where I think I know how well of a job 439 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.200 he does. He cast him for the New Superman, but yeah, yeah, 440 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.079 I mean he's played Surround multiple times, he's played Doctor Strange. He's 441 00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:15.480 you know, he's he's that guy, you know. So we had a 442 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:19.920 great time. We filmed for over the course of a couple of days, 443 00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.079 and it was a blast and you know. I've done a couple more since 444 00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:30.440 then. It's it's very empowering because I control it, you know, I 445 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.440 control it, so I don't I don't want to move directly because what you 446 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:38.240 said about the mainstream thing is super interesting, and we've had that same discussion 447 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.160 with different girls. I want to give you two different perspectives on it. 448 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:50.240 But so you've done girl girl, boy girl solos. How far do you 449 00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.799 see yourself taking? Your only fans? You've set your brand. You are 450 00:32:54.799 --> 00:33:01.519 a very smiley, mature woman. Uh, but do you ever wonder how 451 00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:05.400 far you can push it? What the return on investment is going to be 452 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:08.920 if you go more extreme? Do you ever have desires to go more extreme 453 00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:14.599 and you just go no? No, okay, no, no, A 454 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:20.160 little a little bit, you know, maybe maybe the threesome thing, you 455 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.119 know, but again it's like that is it's the ROI the return of investment, 456 00:33:24.359 --> 00:33:29.720 return on what I'm listen. If I had my brothers, you know, 457 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.240 it would just be me, Chris Comsworth married actually, and I know 458 00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.359 I don't need anyone else me too, actually, which is ironic, but 459 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:43.640 yeah, yeah, I'd be happy with Chris Evans. I would do any 460 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:49.480 of the Chris is you can leave Pine. Oh. I like Pine because 461 00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.119 he was wonder woman. He was Steve Trevor I think, and he's also 462 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:58.240 Star Trek. Yeah, he's Kirk, not you. I don't like to 463 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:01.640 tell you what blockhead that's all you? Who is still sexy? I think 464 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.960 he's ninety two. I don't know about that. No, No, the 465 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:13.599 original Captain, Oh my god, is he sexy though? Yeah? I 466 00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:17.519 mean because you imagine him giving you a facial you know? No, No, 467 00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.920 I actually I can't imagine anyone because I don't allow that, which we 468 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:28.719 will We will talk about later. Yes, obviously so, but so maybe 469 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.719 a threesome I've only done. I've only been with one woman in my life, 470 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:37.039 and that was the one gal that I did the Gigi with Jamie. 471 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:43.559 And Jamie's wonderful. She's a top top tier OnlyFans creator. She's fantastic. 472 00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.159 I'm straight, so like and I don't hide that. So I was always 473 00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:51.559 curious, you know, So I did it? What will I do another 474 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.519 woman? Probably? Maybe you know, but I'm not. It's just it's 475 00:34:54.559 --> 00:35:00.679 not essential. So there's a return of investment of how many these videos do 476 00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.280 I need to do? Or when you know when do you have too many? 477 00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:07.559 Like sometimes I really think it's like there might be too many. It's 478 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:14.519 like think about Pizza Hut. No matter how many pizzas they come up with, 479 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:19.280 probably their number one seller is still Pepperoni pizza, yep yep pa. 480 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:23.000 There can be an oversaturation of what you offer and it doesn't really matter because 481 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.400 my guys that come on today are still going to be like, I want 482 00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.119 to see your first video of you the first time you had sex, or 483 00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.320 I want to see this one or you know, like there's there's a time 484 00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.920 that your menu can be too big, that you're not selling more. You 485 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.519 just have more and it's just more diluted. They point that out on Shark 486 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:49.679 Tank a lot. You have too many skews. That's exactly right, and 487 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:57.320 you go from friendly smiley milf to just another woman who does everything gangbangs and 488 00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.119 this and that and whatever blah blah blah blah blah. So I gets that. 489 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:06.360 Make personality driven, Matt, that's the and Shane, I'm personality driven, 490 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:07.880 so well, yeah, but you don't. You don't look bad either, 491 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.639 Alena, Jesus, you're not help. Shane and I are personality driven. 492 00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:20.159 You are maybe fifty to fifty. Okay, that's I do. But 493 00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:23.280 it's that's my thing, is that you know you're they're coming for that. 494 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:28.480 That's why I have you mentioned or you ask what I do on my page 495 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.480 one of the things that the guys love that I do. And by the 496 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:38.679 way, when you subscribe to an OnlyFans creator, we're just having fun. 497 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:44.000 You don't have to feel bad. We're not married. You can unsubscribe. 498 00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:45.519 The guys will write to me and they feel bad, and I'm like, 499 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:51.079 sweetie, you can unsubscribe, but you can also come back. We're not 500 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:55.079 dating, we're not married. Go go ahead, benefits, So check out 501 00:36:55.639 --> 00:37:00.119 any of my friends or my not my friends, or do nothing and then 502 00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:05.639 come back because I'll still be here probably and you can still enjoy me, 503 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.320 and I'll welcome you back with open arms if you were not, you know, 504 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:14.199 a jerk. Sure, and it's fine. It's funny. Though sometimes 505 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.400 guys feel like they need to tell me that they're going to like break up 506 00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:21.360 with me, I guess, and I'm like, okay, well, I 507 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.480 think I think you kind of have like you know, you said you have 508 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:30.400 a personality and that's what you're selling. I think your personality kind of demands 509 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:37.800 respect, and I think that it would be hard to leave and not say 510 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.519 something. You know. It's like it's it would be like like leaving home, 511 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.360 you know, and just like, even though it's not necessarily a motherly 512 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:52.159 role, it's like, you know, you have to show gratitude for the 513 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:57.039 services rendered, and she just she elicits that and she demands it by her 514 00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.559 presence, you know. You know what I was My first thought was like, 515 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.039 oh my god, what weirdos. And then at the same time, 516 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.199 if I felt like I was becoming friends with you, which again I'm not, 517 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:13.800 but your thing is so inviting and everything else that maybe I feel that 518 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.360 way. I also would probably be like, oh, you know what, 519 00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:21.360 I got to at least say goodbye or because you know, like if someone's 520 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:24.639 making a sandwich and I cancel it at like you know, a deli or 521 00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.199 something, I do want to be like, hey, thank you very much. 522 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:30.320 I think I changed my mind on I don't just walk out. You 523 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.360 know. Meanwhile, they're happy because they get to eat it in the back 524 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.559 room. Yeah, that's true. So let me ask though about respect. 525 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:45.239 You've mentioned people being disrespectful as fans and so like, where do you draw 526 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:50.920 that line like when like some people might want to take a dominant role, 527 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.360 or some people just might have a way of talking or that you you know, 528 00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.840 might be a little different. When does it become like a point where 529 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.760 it's like, all right, you you know what you're you and keep paying 530 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:06.360 for the subscription if you want, but you're you're not cut out to be 531 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.840 communicate with. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean if they call me a 532 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:14.039 name. Pause before that. Can you ban someone on only fans? Yeah, 533 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.039 of course, Okay, okay, go ahead, sorry, continue, 534 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:17.159 I just want to know that, and I have. That's what I was 535 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.480 going to ask to. Have you ever been to you? Don't call me 536 00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:24.039 a name, like you don't come into my house and disrespect me. There 537 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.920 are there are creators that are totally fine being called, you know, all 538 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.880 kinds of things. I'm not, so I don't refer to myself and even 539 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:37.559 if I did, you know, don't come on and come in hot the 540 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.719 first time you subscribe. Don't ever call me a slot because I'm not. 541 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:46.960 And the like I bristle at name calling, name calling will quickly get you 542 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.559 banned. And that's and I understand that there are some creators that aren't like 543 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.840 that. They they call themselves that. I have some problems with that as 544 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.599 a woman, maybe as an older woman. I have problems with that because 545 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.559 I think it's inviting kind of it just is. It's just not something I 546 00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:08.119 do. And I put it right on there. I'm like, I give 547 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:15.440 and expect respect. Jerks will be banned, like I'll write, so I 548 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.320 say it right in the beginning. But if they come in or they were 549 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:21.440 like, oh, I want to see you get railed, but two guys 550 00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.039 and coming all over your face, and I'll be like, well, hi, 551 00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:28.039 welcome to my page. It's like, what the hell, I'm a 552 00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:34.400 person like you. Just if you act like I'm some sort of thing, 553 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:39.239 that really doesn't go over well. And then when I was mentioning one of 554 00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:45.280 the things that I offer is I have like weekly segments and these have become 555 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:51.880 signature chat and flash Helena Saint James, where you know, like I'm talking 556 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:53.639 like I am now, but then i take off my top and I play 557 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:59.000 with my boobs and I'm talking about whatever, you know, like, hey, 558 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:00.679 I watch this documentary. Hey I went to the movies. Oh my 559 00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.199 god, can you believe how cold it is in the Midwest. Whatever it 560 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.519 is, like I'll talk about what's going on and I'm playing with my boobs, 561 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:12.719 or maybe I'll say, hey, I've got a new scene coming on 562 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:19.360 or whatever. I don't dive into religion or politics, clearly because and the 563 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.920 performers that do, bless their hearts. Sure, but I don't get it. 564 00:41:22.159 --> 00:41:28.599 I don't. Could you alienate half of your potentials? I don't. 565 00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:31.800 I don't get it. It's so off putting. But that's me. Sure. 566 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:37.079 Sure, But now to jump sideways to what we were talking about, 567 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:43.519 mainstream stuff is OnlyFans, and we've interviewed plenty of girls or women. I 568 00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.320 always say girls. I don't know why. It's it's really like I call 569 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.159 them chicks most of the time though, because I'm like this and I don't 570 00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.039 mind chicks, like, okay, you know, like there might be some 571 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.159 that do, but sure I don't. I mean it in a dumb way, 572 00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:00.280 not a room I grew up too. Yeah, it's just ny dream 573 00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:06.320 a genie. So when it comes to mainstream stuff, so many it's it's 574 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.719 funny because we also do a series on brand new creators where we kind of 575 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.000 do an interview with them to kind of expose them to the world, you 576 00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:20.000 know, and put it out to ourselves. Yeah, but so many of 577 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:25.039 those women are desperately trying to get the mainstream thing going because maybe they haven't 578 00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:29.239 had the same success as you. They're trying, they're working hard, they're 579 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:30.599 doing it some of them, some of them not so much. They need 580 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.719 to put more time in and whatever else, but they are desperately trying to 581 00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.800 get it. And then the big established stars we've talked to always tell us 582 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:42.159 like, yes, shooting on a set is fun, but it's an advertisement 583 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.079 for my only fans, you know. And so let me ask you, 584 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.519 what would it take, what kind of return on investment would it take, 585 00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.440 or what kind of increase in your numbers would it take for you to do 586 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.360 a mainstream scene. Well, first of all, so I was asked by 587 00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.840 I was contacted by Browsers a couple times last year before I even did it, 588 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.400 and I remember taking a meeting and I was just like, I don't 589 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.960 know. They must have just been like, what the hell who is this 590 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.239 person? Because I was like, well, I've never shot a boy girl 591 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:22.119 and They're like really, I mean that was the energy, Like like I 592 00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:28.239 just said, and I'm a virgin the same energy, like just like incredulous, 593 00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:32.320 like because I'd gotten I had done well. And I was like, 594 00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:37.320 no, I've never I've never even in my personal life, I've never shot 595 00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:40.280 like a personal you know thing. So they were like, well, yeah, 596 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:45.079 maybe after if you do that, maybe we talk after that, because 597 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:46.880 there's a lot that goes in with a set blah blah blah. And I'm 598 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:51.679 like, I understand, Like I don't know. I could decide like this 599 00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:57.039 is freaking me out, I have to leave. I don't know. And 600 00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.679 see, here's the thing, Matt. They could never guarantee me what the 601 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.960 return would be, but I will tell you what I know. The con 602 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.599 would be. I wouldn't have control of that content. I would hate that. 603 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.679 I would hate knowing that they can put me up, even if it 604 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:19.320 was having sex with somebody that I adore, like Ryan Driller. Now they 605 00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:27.800 own it and they can put it forever on a tube site for free, 606 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.760 when I can't do anything about it. And then what does that do? 607 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:36.239 It cheapens my brand because now I'm out there, I'm exposed. Now, 608 00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.519 Am I as valuable? No? Because I'll tell you what these mainstream porn 609 00:44:39.559 --> 00:44:44.559 actresses and I know some of them. They don't make as much money as 610 00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.719 I do on my only fans, even though they are gorgeous and beautiful and 611 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:53.840 perfect. You know why, because it's a scarcity. There's a scarcity that 612 00:44:53.960 --> 00:45:00.920 I have that no mainstream porn actress can have because there's stuff is all over. 613 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.679 I want to see that. I want to see that woman have sex 614 00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:07.400 and go on any tube site and see her have sex this way, that 615 00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.079 way with that person and that person through it, like I can see it 616 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.639 free, So why would I need to subscribe to her? Right? It 617 00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:21.880 really like it adds to that whole aesthetic, that amateur esthetic to where you're 618 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:27.159 forging this connection with the fan where if you go and do mainstream stuff and 619 00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:35.239 you're exposed and your content isn't that personalized version of itself, then that that's 620 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.320 the thing that cheapens the brand. You know, It's like these these people 621 00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:42.239 are looking for you, you know, they're they're not looking for Like you 622 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:49.440 said, it's a scarcity, but it's more like the the scarcity is that 623 00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:54.480 you you have this connection, this personality thing, and that's the thing that's 624 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:59.840 lacking in mainstream is like it builds a wall instantly as soon as you. 625 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:06.000 It's authenticity there. I have an authenticity what my guys love about when I 626 00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:10.719 do myself. I'm laughing when I'm having sex, I'm giggling. And sometimes 627 00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:14.760 I'll look at the camera and they know that. I know, Like I'll 628 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.159 look and they'll be like, oh, look at her. You know, 629 00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:22.119 she's having a good time and she's giggling. I don't see giggling, authentic 630 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:27.039 giggling in any porn that I see. I'm sure there is, I'm sure, 631 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.519 but I don't see a lot of it. I don't see the I 632 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:37.119 don't see that. And they're so perfect, and these chicks aren't choosing. 633 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:42.480 These guys really choosing if they if they see me, like, there's a 634 00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:45.280 reason that I chose, whoever I chose, you know, did it end 635 00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:51.679 up being as good? There are ones that are better than others. But 636 00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:58.679 yeah, So it's the control and there's the authenticity. Like the best compliments 637 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.000 I get with my sex videos, they're like, oh my god, you 638 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:08.199 reminded me how much fun sex can be. I don't feel fun sometimes with 639 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:13.840 these porn, like a mainstream porn, because they are so frantic or weird 640 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:21.719 or like overproduced, or the angles and it's just there's like a joyfulness because 641 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:25.239 I'm laughing because I'm like, wow, look at this look at this guy. 642 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.920 This is fun. And that goes back to what I started saying at 643 00:47:29.960 --> 00:47:34.639 the beginning that Shane has pointed out plenty of times during interviews where after the 644 00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.079 fact or in a clip we watch or something like that where he goes and 645 00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:42.559 not in a you know, nineteen fifties guy at a gas station telling a 646 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:45.000 woman this way, but he goes. I wish they would smile more, 647 00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:49.599 you know. I wish there was more smiling. I wish they looked like 648 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.679 they wanted to be there, because there's there's nothing worse than like a porn 649 00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.679 video where you're like, was she trafficked? Like what is the look on 650 00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.599 their face? Unless miserable? Your role playing or something? You know, 651 00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:05.599 like right, right, sure, sure. I mean I remember reading a 652 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:13.599 review once where like some guy like described how somebody like I think like it 653 00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:20.400 was something about like the amateurness of the performer was was like making them think 654 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:22.199 like, oh should I not be seeing this? And Matt said the same 655 00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:27.159 thing before. But it's like this taboo idea, right, like, oh 656 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.800 boy, that's that's something so there's a layuristic thing, right, so, 657 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:36.119 and that can be again, they're all different, right, there's a voyeuristick 658 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:38.119 thing, and that can be hot. Like one of the scenes I did 659 00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:43.400 with Ryan. You know, whether this was for real like we forgot to 660 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.000 turn off the camera or not, but it gave that essence and it was 661 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:50.920 very like I just said, Hey, we're just gonna do this, and 662 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.960 it wasn't like, oh, open me up for the camera and do this 663 00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:58.199 and do that. It was very natural. Guys loved that, but some 664 00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:02.079 of guys wanted to be more like performance where I'm looking at the camera and 665 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:07.360 that sort of thing. But so there's the authenticity, there's the fun. 666 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:13.760 My guys oftentimes basically what they described to me and what they love about what 667 00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:17.559 I do feel good porn. It feel better after watching it, not just 668 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:23.079 because they got off, but because they feel like genuinely, I was doing 669 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.960 this because I wanted to. It was my own volition. I kind of 670 00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:32.920 controlled it because I chose to be with these people, and you know, 671 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:39.840 they felt good about it, feel good porn like and yeah, so could 672 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:45.119 I ask you are you do you think your fans are even if it's only 673 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:51.679 fifty one percent. Again, you're not some you know, leatherbound domb But 674 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:55.159 do you think your fans maybe lean a little more towards the subside in this 675 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:59.239 sense? I don't know. I'm just you know what, that's funny. 676 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:05.400 I don't I don't know. I don't think so because I have some dominant 677 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:10.920 stuff, Like some of my solo stuff is dominant and it doesn't sell well. 678 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:16.880 Okay, So you know, like there's two things like I'm just I 679 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:22.880 guess I'm just a person who has boundaries and I'm a woman that has boundaries 680 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:27.400 and they respect it. What I often hear is like, you're not like 681 00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.119 the hit it and quit it. You're the person I'd want to go out 682 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.920 to dinner with and have a glass of wine and have a nice dinner with. 683 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:38.159 Like you're that's who you are. So there's a respect there of just 684 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:45.679 that whether I made it. But submissive no, I don't think they are. 685 00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.679 But they're respectful well, and if they're not, they don't last long. 686 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:52.000 Sure. Now you have to wonder though, if those same guys are 687 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.880 respectful to all performers or if it's just because this is your brain, like 688 00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:59.320 they're texting you or messaging you and saying I would love to take you out 689 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:00.960 to dinner sometime. So wonderful, and then they bounce over to the other 690 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:05.679 only fans of account Hey pig, like you know, like something like that. 691 00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:07.519 Who knows? Who knows? No, I don't know. I mean, 692 00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.159 you know, people are people and they can change, sure, but 693 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.760 yeah, I don't know. All I know is what I expect. That's 694 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.000 and that's the point. The cool thing is you have built a brand. 695 00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:24.199 I called you the Tom Brady before you kind of like I've never watched the 696 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:28.159 show, but I've heard reviews of You're like the ted Lasso of porn in 697 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:31.400 a little bit I love. I've never seen the show watched. No, 698 00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:36.719 here's why. Because you're a sweetheart and I'm a monster. So I can't 699 00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.199 look at stuff that's too too sweet and be like, I really enjoy this. 700 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:43.360 I really like if Ted Lasso at the end, I don't know, 701 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:46.360 suffocated on something and died, I would be like, oh, this is 702 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.599 more tragic, Like I need more of a drama, you know, I 703 00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:54.159 need more more human tragedy. That's just how I feel. Well, then, 704 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.679 then just cleanse your palette with like some Game of Thrones or something. 705 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:01.159 That's what I need. I need Game of throw except like I watch Game 706 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.760 of Thrones and I have to do this. Yeah yeah, see that's not 707 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:07.679 I go like this. I go, yeah, I don't like dragon for 708 00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.639 yeah, Shane doesn't the dragon, and I turn away every time I see 709 00:52:09.639 --> 00:52:13.000 a dragon. All the groups, I'm like, oh, I would like 710 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.119 this. It's just why does it have to be so sure? Yeah? 711 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:22.239 You know what your I will say this though, I think if you did 712 00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:29.280 one mainstream scene m hm, that would still give you a lot of scarcity, 713 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.559 you know. And I've thought about it. Would it have to be 714 00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:37.760 with a podcast host? Nod you talk to my wife about that and talk 715 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:40.599 to Shane. Oh Shane's wife, Yeah, good to how about a podcast 716 00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:46.360 host wife? Yeah? Yeah, that's that's the best thing I can do. 717 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.239 I've thought. I've thought about it. I mean, obviously, you 718 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:55.199 know, think about it. I have shot with Lucas Frost, Ryan Driller, 719 00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:01.320 Max Phil's and Jay Smooth and they're all these are guys that are in 720 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:06.280 and I've talked to way more. I mean, one of the first guys 721 00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.840 that wrote to me the DM ME and I was like, oh my god. 722 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:15.400 But now I've read I've figured out that Kieran Lee basically has like I 723 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:17.880 think he has like a bat signal, and he knows when a new MILF 724 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:22.559 is on the scene, and it's like it's a radar. Yeah, yeah, 725 00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.800 he has a radar because every like milf I know that I've talked to 726 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:31.880 she's like, oh yeah, I heard from Kieran even after starting on Instagram. 727 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:37.360 But I mean, I don't know, and I'm not sure. It's 728 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.920 one of those things I toy with. It would have to be I would 729 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:45.199 have to trust whoever's doing whoever's filming it, like the director or producer whatever. 730 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:51.519 The talent is essential. Let me pause you what if a company brought 731 00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:55.320 you in and said, hey, we'd like you to shoot and direct and 732 00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.719 cast your first thing, and they would pay you appropriately obviously for the rolls, 733 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.320 But I mean what if it was something where you would have total control 734 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:08.039 over it but already no yeah, but but yeah, but they're they're going 735 00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:14.000 to pick the set and you know they'll yeah a scenario yeah yeah, well 736 00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.400 no, but shoot, I mean to shoot with you know, the big 737 00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.000 budget. Yeah. I mean, like listen, hey, I have seen 738 00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:25.480 some of like the milthy by Vixen's I Love. We interviewed Penny Barber, 739 00:54:25.519 --> 00:54:30.679 who yeah, right, and actually I just saw that she follows me on 740 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.440 X and I was like, so freaking honored by that. She's pretty cool. 741 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:38.039 She is, yeah, yeah, and so they do beautiful stuff. 742 00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:42.480 But then I was talking to somebody that has not worked with them, but 743 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.159 somebody that's a mainstream you'd probably know her, but I'm not going to disclose 744 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.000 that we know each other. And she's just like, yeah, the problem 745 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:52.960 is you don't have the look for milthy, You're not perfect enough. I'm 746 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.280 like, oh, okay, that's stung a little bit, but I know 747 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:59.159 she was right. Well, I know what they mean. It's like that. 748 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:01.679 It's it's that authenticity thing, right, It's like when when you reach 749 00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:08.000 a certain level of Christine in photograph, at that point, you you are 750 00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:14.599 unattainable. You're not real anymore in the literal sense to where you and I 751 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.239 are having a conversation right now. And I think that's that's the distinction she's 752 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.880 making, you know, It's like you're a real person. Yeah, and 753 00:55:22.079 --> 00:55:25.239 that's fine, you know, like it's it's fine. It's all a balance. 754 00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.320 But I mean, would I ever do that I'd never say never would 755 00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:32.960 I ever do a gang bang. I can say unequivocally that will never happen. 756 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:37.639 What I will never do, I will I will never do. There's 757 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.480 quite a few things I will never do. Sure, Okay, fair enough, 758 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:44.679 fair enough, But I mean that's not who I am. You like 759 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:50.400 kiss at all? That's no. Okay, I like this so well, 760 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:57.679 that's good. I mean, drink your water. But but I'm not going 761 00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:01.679 to listen if it's the slow Olympics, I'm not training for that. Okay, 762 00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.880 I think that brand Yeah, yeah, yeah, We're going to wrap 763 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:08.920 up here in a minute, Shane. Did you have anything else for Elena 764 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:15.440 today? No? I think maybe we'll have Elena back on. I think 765 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:20.320 for a second interview, because I actually have so many things I want to 766 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:24.360 ask Elena that I don't want to jump into another rabbit hole. Completely five 767 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:29.800 seasons, we've only ever done one repeat interview, and most of the time 768 00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.880 when Shane gets off on these interviews, he's like, oh, that was 769 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:37.039 good. We are good for one. I am impressed that you have impressed 770 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.039 Shane so much. And you know what it is. It's the smiling, 771 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:45.639 It's the authenticity, it's the authenticit like Melsh. Well, I'm curious how 772 00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:52.679 you guys even found me. Oh well, yeah, well you know what, 773 00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.320 let's let's just let's let's let's take two minutes here real quick, because 774 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:01.719 you're doing your podcast. Can I when you started that? Yeah, well, 775 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:07.320 let's see the first one. I actually you know this is recorded, 776 00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.599 right? Yeah? Yes, go ahead? And so I recorded mine. 777 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:13.800 I think it was in July. But then I first, and then I 778 00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.960 had a big trip overseas, so then I had to get everything ready. 779 00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:21.360 I did all kinds of stuff. I made my own music for the intro 780 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:27.119 and altro with a studio. But September, September fourth, this is the 781 00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:31.280 first one that I released. So we started in April of twenty twenty. 782 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:37.800 And yeah, what April twenty twenty, Yeah, yeah, twenty three, 783 00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:44.360 twenty twenty. No, that's two thousand, twenty twenty three years ago. 784 00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:47.159 Oh my god, the dimensions I started when we were thirteen. Yeah. 785 00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:53.280 Yeah, But here's my question to you as a new podcaster, right, 786 00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.679 like, if I was starting an only fans, I would go to Elena 787 00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:59.360 here, I'd go what do I do to be successful? Elena? Do 788 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:05.000 you have any questions for us? Seasoned successful podcasters. By the way, 789 00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:07.599 the way you do it, I can explain that afterwards. Do you have 790 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:13.039 any questions for us on what to do during a podcast or in podcasting in 791 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.840 general? You don't need any help with the marketing of it, God knows, 792 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:20.360 But do you have anything? You may not. If you don't, 793 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:25.039 that's fine, Well what you know what I do? So what happens when 794 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:29.960 you when you have somebody that isn't Now for me, I just take up 795 00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:32.880 the airspace and blah blah blah as I can talk. Just ask my poor 796 00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.519 kid, who was just like, you're so chatty because I'll talk to anybody, 797 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:42.320 sure, But what happens when you have somebody that have you had people 798 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.159 that really don't talk? Oh? Yeah, yes, here's Have you ever 799 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:50.960 seen the ending of the movie hell Raiser? Ah? Do I look like 800 00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:57.719 I've ever seen it? It's similar to that, similar to lasso. Uh, 801 00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:00.840 it's not, it's the opposite of It's more like a event horizon. 802 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.039 That's a reference something you're talking about, the part where the guy gets his 803 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:07.800 head written it. I don't even want to hear it. Some interviews are 804 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:12.280 not as good as the others. And what you have to do is like 805 00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:16.360 you said, fill the space, but filling the space also doesn't mean I 806 00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:22.559 think there is power in silence on certain things, especially when it comes to 807 00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:27.000 an audio medium or a video medium as we have here. But there's a 808 00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:31.280 power to silence where sometimes what you've said and what they've said in response can 809 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.920 elicit just a pause. And you shouldn't rush to quickly get something in as 810 00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:38.880 fast as you can because people are going to tune out. People like hearing 811 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:44.599 and what we hear from our people on Patreon and everything else, people like 812 00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:50.400 just hearing same thing as you, authentic people talking. We will talk about 813 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.920 nothing on our comedy show, but just how our lives are going and what's 814 00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:57.679 going on with you, and we'll crack some jokes here, and then we'll 815 00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.920 bring up a news article and talk about that crack some jokes and what it 816 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:07.599 is is. Our listeners are probably guys who have worked in a warehouse before 817 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.800 and have heard a funny conversation going on behind them. Okay, So, 818 01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.880 in presenting what you're doing, obviously target your audience. Would it be fair 819 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:22.679 to say your audience is leaning female? Because I've watched some of your episodes, 820 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.400 really see I would think, and maybe that is where you need to 821 01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:30.639 pivot and shift a little. Not that you need to change anything if you're 822 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:32.280 successful. I'm just saying, if you were looking for something like that, 823 01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:40.159 I think you could have a really powerful, empowering women platform. Will in 824 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:45.079 there for sure sometime at some point, But right now where I'm making my 825 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:51.400 money is not only fans. Oh sure, and right now I have to 826 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:58.239 so it's very calculated having other women, other big creators for the most part 827 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:04.559 on my podcast, because that brings in the men who want to watch and 828 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:10.320 learn about these people women. At some point I'll pivot. I had somebody 829 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:14.800 that wanted me to write my life story because there's a lot more to it 830 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:19.920 as it is with anybody that's reached this age. Sure, they wanted me, 831 01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.199 and they said, you have such a compelling story. Once they kept 832 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:27.800 learning about different things that I've done and been through, and I said, 833 01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.880 I'm not done yet, though, I'm not ready to pivot because that a 834 01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:35.440 book like that is for women, sure, and I'm not ready to pivot 835 01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:38.239 to a woman audience. I have to be done with what I'm doing with 836 01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:45.360 OnlyFans sense to be able to be accessible or to be acceptable to women as 837 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:51.519 a whole, I believe. But so I see what you mean though, 838 01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:57.079 as far as women that want to emulate, OnlyFans would be watching my podcast, 839 01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.280 and that's fine. I think it's mostly it's guys that are into say 840 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:05.360 Danny Jones and her Sweetheart and that want to see us and they want to 841 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.599 learn more about us. I think that's who is watching the podcast. Jerking 842 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:13.920 off at work. That's that, Jane, go ahead, repeat it Just 843 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:16.119 dudes jerking off at work, you know, because you can't have porn on 844 01:02:16.159 --> 01:02:19.920 the company computer. Yeah, I mean they can listen to it. I 845 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.320 mean I still sell my audiobook and I'm not talking about sexy stuff on my 846 01:02:23.400 --> 01:02:28.000 audiobook. I'm talking the way I talk to you guys, you know, 847 01:02:28.039 --> 01:02:31.599 and I still sell it around the world. I picture though, something like 848 01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:37.960 there's the Call Her Daddy podcast, which I would say a majority of that 849 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:42.760 audience is female, right, totally, That one is totally fam I get 850 01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.400 that. But if you look at Holly Randalls, because then you say, 851 01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:49.800 okay, well then who's going to be my guest Matt. If I'm if 852 01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:54.519 I'm leaning into women, wouldn't you think it would be male porn stars? 853 01:02:55.880 --> 01:03:00.880 No, nobody wants to hear that. I wouldn't think so I would actually 854 01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:07.280 think if I'm a woman, maybe maybe I don't have the self confidence that 855 01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:09.679 someone like you had. So I'm going to you almost like those online influence 856 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.599 like Gary Vee who's like, hey, go to a yard sale and just 857 01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:19.239 buy a treasure and sell it and then keep flipping it and then you'll have 858 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:22.400 your Ferrari. You are going, hey, I'm a strong woman who started 859 01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:27.079 at what I did later in life. I am so strong, so powerful, 860 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.400 Look what I have created. Now, I want to talk to somebody 861 01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:31.920 else across the room, for me, across the zom for me, whatever 862 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:36.159 you want to say, who also did it, but in a different way. 863 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:38.800 Let's figure out what is relatable between the two of us, and let's 864 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:43.960 let our audience figure out what is relatable between them and us. Yeah, 865 01:03:44.119 --> 01:03:47.519 that's really good point, Matt, you do. It's a good point. 866 01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:52.320 You make a great point too, a pivot look you have once you have, 867 01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:57.760 once you have exhausted, you can also do specials. Do the Empowering 868 01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.400 Women's Specials five episodes. Go ahead, Well, I have taught right, 869 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:05.480 people have talked to me about doing motivational speaking at some point, I'm totally 870 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:08.760 in on that. I mean, there's so many things, there's so many 871 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:13.320 aspects where you know, and these are things that don't excite men. To 872 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.119 know that I had a kid on my own, to know that I've done 873 01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:17.440 this on my own, and this on my own, this on my own. 874 01:04:17.440 --> 01:04:23.719 That I haven't needed a man. I've needed thousands of men, sure, 875 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.519 you know, like, but I haven't needed a man. There is 876 01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.679 no as they call it in the industry, suitcase pimp that's making this happen. 877 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:34.519 I don't have a husband that's doing all this stuff for me, and 878 01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:39.719 I'm just like showing up and being pretty. I'm doing all this sure, 879 01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.760 So it's it is interesting, and I guess really honestly, I haven't really 880 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:48.320 thought about who my audience is for the podcast. I'm presenting stories and presenting 881 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:53.400 people, and it's going to be more of a mix than my Instagram. 882 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:57.679 My Instagram is two percent women, which is goes back to what you asked 883 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.960 us earlier, how did we find you? How do we get our start? 884 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.000 So Shane and I have only ever reached out to try and talk to 885 01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:11.679 interesting people, and we met a woman on Reddit her name was an estate 886 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:16.159 No something. This was years ago. Anyway, she wrote a series of 887 01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:24.519 three books about how she was actively cheating on her husband, and she did 888 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.800 an interview with us while she was in her car because her husband was inside 889 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:30.440 and she didn't want them to know it. She would travel a lot for 890 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.360 business trips, hook up with guys on the road, and come back because 891 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:39.239 her husband was uninterested in the relationship. They had been together too long. 892 01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:45.039 Maybe whatever divorse wasn't on the table, but it happens. So we had 893 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:48.320 her on again. I just want to talk to interesting people. I don't 894 01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.159 care what your job is. All due respect to all the porn stars we 895 01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:56.519 talked to, if I could talk to all of the number one NASCAR people 896 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.800 in the world, I would spend weeks learning about NASCAR so I could have 897 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:04.360 an interesting conversation. Wouldn't I would? I absolutely would. You can only 898 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:12.320 you can only learn eight hours worth of NASCAR run out a NASCAR drinking mountain 899 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:16.039 dew and putting trucker hats on. So we had her on. She was 900 01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:21.199 a big success, which led to we put that in the cuckold room of 901 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:28.440 Reddit. Uh led to a woman reaching out to us and saying I am 902 01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:30.760 a cut queen. I am a woman that likes to have her husband have 903 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.079 sex with other women, and I like to watch. And I run a 904 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:42.880 website, and that was Suzanne Ferrari and Dan Ferrari of slut inspection dot com. 905 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:46.800 From there, we saw our numbers exponentially go up because you have a 906 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:51.159 name on there and it's you know, boost you. So then you start 907 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:57.360 the long process of going in your emails and crafting a template that is both 908 01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:00.440 polite and friendly but direct to the point. I'd like to talk to Elena. 909 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.480 Uh, my name is Matt. I run a podcast. It is 910 01:07:03.519 --> 01:07:08.039 a very sex positive podcast. We would like to have you on to promote 911 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:11.639 your only fan Da da da da da. Here's the other interviews we've done. 912 01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:16.559 Yeada, YadA YadA. Eventually, you get on enough people directly that 913 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.440 you start making waves on a Twitter or something like that, and PR agents 914 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.719 start seeing you and they start saying, hey, I saw this, I 915 01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:28.239 would love to get my person on your show. And the first one that 916 01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:34.519 contacted us was Erica from the RUBPR, and then Ari Mike Mike Whittaker from 917 01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:41.440 a Honeyhouse PR. And then I spoke to your pr agent because yeah, 918 01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:43.719 I reach out to him. I said, Wow, he's got a really 919 01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:45.039 great roster. He's got a lot of good girls on there. I would 920 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:49.119 love to speak to them. And there were some that didn't include and you 921 01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:53.800 were one of the ones. I did because I found your story fascinating. 922 01:07:54.960 --> 01:08:00.840 I love anyone who goes. I fucking hate what I'm doing. I'm going 923 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:04.079 to put all of my resources into something that makes me happy. Because I've 924 01:08:04.119 --> 01:08:10.239 said this since probably freshman year of college. I've said and I didn't follow 925 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:13.639 it, and that's very sad. But I said, if you love garbage, 926 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:17.760 there's a ceo of waste management. You can find a way to get 927 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.199 there if you are passionate and you love something. I worked at best Buy 928 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:25.199 in high school. The CEO of best Buy was a guy who started stocking 929 01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:28.960 shelves there, worked his way up. He's the boss now. He got 930 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:32.279 fired for incorporate. He got fired for inappropriate sexual stuff, but anyway left 931 01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:38.159 him in dock. But I think what you're doing is great. I think 932 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:43.520 more women should attempt to do what you do, at least follow the instructions 933 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.720 on that you've kind of given here without maybe even meaning to. Is just 934 01:08:47.159 --> 01:08:51.720 find your brand, find your niche, work hard at it, keep control 935 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:58.199 over your content. Make sure you don't stray too far away from your niche 936 01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:01.680 unless you're trying to introduce a new niche. Maybe know your brand, all 937 01:09:01.720 --> 01:09:04.960 your boundaries. You can try it. You can try it, and guys, 938 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:08.560 you know you could. You could decide we're going to do a cooking 939 01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:13.039 show. But that's a passion project and that you have to realize it might 940 01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:17.239 not be successful. It's again when I mentioned like mainstream entertainment and how I 941 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:20.720 understand these people and kind of how they do things. You know, you 942 01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:26.680 talk about like a action hero, which that's how he makes his money. 943 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.439 He's an action hero, sure, but once in a while he wants to 944 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:33.119 do something because he wants to do it. That's the passion project. So 945 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:36.960 sometimes I do things because I want to do them. Maybe they're not going 946 01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:44.560 to be commercially that viable except for my true fan fans fan base, but 947 01:09:45.439 --> 01:09:50.479 you know, creatively I want to do something. There you go, ladies 948 01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:54.680 and gentlemen. I want to thank Elenea Saint James for coming on with us 949 01:09:54.680 --> 01:10:00.000 today. Make sure you check out her podcast Chat and Laugh. Check out 950 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:02.840 her book how to date a hot older woman. We need to have her 951 01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.279 back on just in case something ever happens to my wife. I'm gonna need 952 01:10:06.319 --> 01:10:11.800 a hot older woman because there are advantages to older women. You know, 953 01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.079 there's advantages before we have you on. Yeah, yeah, there's disadvantages, 954 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:23.039 like what we don't take shit? Oh, I like vaginal mesh falling out? 955 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:28.800 Well I don't I've never had that, but I'm yeah, disclosure, 956 01:10:29.199 --> 01:10:33.159 sure, I don't need that. Well probably since men live less, we'll 957 01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:36.680 probably die around the same time. I mean, there's that. There's a 958 01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:42.600 whole conversation. I kind of dig into my sixty two pages on that, 959 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:47.800 how to date a hot older woman and make sure you follow her on to 960 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:53.760 go ahead? What you got the bioevolution of mill hunting. Yeah, that's 961 01:10:53.800 --> 01:10:57.439 okay, that's that should be the next book. Yeah. Sometimes he just 962 01:10:57.520 --> 01:10:59.960 laughs at stuff, Elena, and we'll just run with it. We just 963 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:02.159 oh, yeah, that was a good process, and yeah, that was 964 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.880 good science stuff. I'm just imagining what what because she said she went into 965 01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:10.439 a section about it. I'm like just imagining, what what do you list, 966 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:14.399 like the pros and cons of dating an older woman? Okay, yeah, 967 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.520 there you go. Yeah, I go into it. I go into 968 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:20.600 it. But Gore, Matt, We're like his outro is like all being 969 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:24.640 screwed up. Yeah, stepped all of it. It's okay, It's it's 970 01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:27.840 all right. He can start over. I got social media stuff for you 971 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:30.840 as well that we're gonna cut real, real quick after this. So check 972 01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:33.399 out her podcast, Chat and Laugh. I know I have a script here, 973 01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:38.199 and Shane just started shouting about bioevolution in the middle of it. Sure 974 01:11:39.239 --> 01:11:43.640 check, I didn't you just started talking. Watch it back, watch it 975 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:47.159 back. Chat and Laugh is Elena's podcast. Her book had a data hot 976 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:53.039 older woman. Make sure you follow her on Twitter and Instagram at Elena Saint 977 01:11:53.119 --> 01:11:58.000 James. Most importantly, go and subscribe to her only fans at Elena Underscore 978 01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.920 Saint James. Links to All of that stuff is going to be in the 979 01:12:00.920 --> 01:12:03.119 episode description. So if you didn't catch it the first time I said it, 980 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:08.119 make sure you go down there at least bare minimum, give her a 981 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:12.760 follow and throw some likes up there, because building those numbers is important. 982 01:12:13.239 --> 01:12:16.000 Flows downhill. Elena, thank you very much for coming on with us today. 983 01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.800 Thanks guys, this was fun and hey, it was really neat that 984 01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:26.920 you gave me the first thousand dollars for being here. That was really awesome. 985 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.319 It was really cool. We else has gotten that. That was pretty 986 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.079 cool of us. Yeah. I just sent that over on Venmo. It 987 01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:35.000 was a good line. Yeah, that was good. It's going to screw 988 01:12:35.079 --> 01:12:41.279 us in the future, so at least I helped you get screwed there. 989 01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:45.239 That was honestly just to make up for that dick pic I sent right before 990 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:46.960 the interview started. Okay, very good, but I didn't get it. 991 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:50.720 You sent it to Matt, Yeah, I told him forward it to her. 992 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:56.479 Make sure Elena sees this. Eight and a half for your worst friend 993 01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.359 I met. I'm Shane. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Str