WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:14.560 He'll be back. Don't be bad. It's the Internet. You're busy. 2 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:17.839 Let's do this for May thirtieth, twenty twenty four. For the next hour 3 00:00:18.039 --> 00:00:20.920 or so, let me help you sort through the world of gaming on Game 4 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:24.760 Mess Mornings Live with Me Jeff Grubb. Today, Sony still wants you to 5 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.199 buy a PlayStation five, but it's also happy if you're still using that PS 6 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:31.719 four. But first please join me and welcoming today's co host to Game Mess 7 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.960 Mornings. It's Jane Cho everybody, Jan how are you doing? I am 8 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:40.799 doing great, got the pump on early this morning and I'm talking about lifting 9 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:47.960 weights. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I was like intending to do 10 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.679 that last night, but the allergies were so bad I just went to bed 11 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.560 instead. And that's that's my life right now. You deserve that. You 12 00:00:54.600 --> 00:01:02.039 deserve that after purposely gassing yourself, yes, creating a little lethal hot box. 13 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:07.400 Uh huh. It's it's a real toxic environment over here. It's listen, 14 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:10.760 the game scent. We're thinking the game scent hurt me everybody and cause 15 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.879 the alergies to be real bad. Because both Dan and I started having sinus 16 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:19.640 issues about a week after the game set was introduced into our lives and listen, 17 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:25.200 that's really strong correlation. I'm still not sold on the causation one hundred 18 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.799 percent, but it is unplugged. I'm not using it anymore. I will 19 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:30.879 clean it up. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like if it 20 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.480 was really happening, it's like steps at home all day with me. She's 21 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.719 completely unaffected. So I like, you know not that. I will say, 22 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.400 yeah, you have both of you have stuck your faces directly above the 23 00:01:42.519 --> 00:01:48.640 game scent that has gotten a good whiff. That's true, one or several 24 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:53.000 times. The proximity could be a factor. I'm not denying that. Yeah, 25 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:56.519 I just don't want to feel this way anymore. That's my big thing. 26 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.760 And then throw that thing in the trash or mail it to Mike Manatti. 27 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:01.640 Yeah, I'm have to mail it to Mike Manatti. That's what I 28 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.760 have to I actually think the plan will be two. I'm gonna put it 29 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.400 in a containment zone like a black box and in my shed so it's out 30 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:15.960 of the house. And then the next time I am invited to Dan Reichert's 31 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.400 house, I will smuggle it in, hide it there, make sure I 32 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.919 connected. I'll reset it and everything, and I will remotely control it and 33 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:27.759 I will get my revenge. Now, does that make it worse knowing what 34 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:30.400 it does to people? Absolutely, But I think it has to be done. 35 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:37.319 I almost think we should sacrifice it at a Jeff, that's also a 36 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:39.560 good idea. Yeah, we should office space that jazz. All right, 37 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.479 listen, office spacing it. It does sound like a very cathartic experience, 38 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.840 so maybe we'll do that as well. Staring at it, it's making me 39 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.199 mad. All right, Yeah, how are you doing? Chi? How 40 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.879 are you holding up? This week? A shorter week here because we had 41 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.639 Monday off and that always it's nice to have the three day weekend, but 42 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:01.120 it always discombobulates me for the rest of the work week. Same. And 43 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:07.439 I'm uh, I'm real quickly realizing we will be in La this time next 44 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.159 week. Yep. By this time next week, we'll just be there. 45 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:13.159 Uh yeah, at this time in the morning, I think I'll be landing 46 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.520 actually, so likewise, okay, uh yeah, that's not a lot of 47 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:20.680 time to get ready for that, but it's it's gonna be a good time. 48 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.120 I'm starting to, you know, getting a little pre briefs here and 49 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:25.840 there for stuff that we're gonna see. And some of the games I'm seeing 50 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:30.800 I'm so excited about jan not like these are like, oh they Jeff Grubb 51 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.800 knows about some huge thing I've been waiting my entire life for like a lot 52 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:38.039 of new stuff. And but like a couple of games somebody, I cannot 53 00:03:38.039 --> 00:03:39.280 wait to play that with the guys on the on the site. It's gonna 54 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.639 be so much fun. So yeah, I hope we come back from SGF 55 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.479 with like a million of those. That would be great. The thing I'm 56 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:50.639 most excited for is to see if Jeff Keely has another amazing tote bag to 57 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.080 give away to press. Oh of course, let me tell you. That's 58 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:58.159 that asgef toad bag from twenty twenty three gets a lot of mileage in this 59 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.759 household. That's what. That's what I always say aboutqu That bitch knows how 60 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.400 to tote he yep, yep, you see him in his kicks and like 61 00:04:03.560 --> 00:04:08.639 that hitched be toting. He's bitched outing. All right, let's explain what 62 00:04:08.639 --> 00:04:11.360 we do here? Wait, how do I do this? There? It 63 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:16.199 is most weekdays I Chef greblehelp Piecer gaming life back together. That includes breaking 64 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.920 news and maybe even some of our own original reporting. For all these topics, 65 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.519 I'll get the input of a bona fide expert who will make me look 66 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.800 smart. If you are watching live on twitch welcome, you can always listen 67 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:30.560 to the show later on podcast feeds by searching for Game Mess Mornings, or 68 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.240 find the RSS on giant bomb dot com. You can also catch the show 69 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:39.639 later with chapters and timestamps on YouTube. Hello YouTube. All right, we 70 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:41.879 have a lot to get into, so let's start the morning mess with. 71 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.360 Sony hopes to entice PC players to buy PS five by releasing tent pole games 72 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:50.959 for the console first. I'm gonna listen. Dan got to get down the 73 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.279 steroids. Should see if I can get that for myself. I could really 74 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.680 use those right now. I think this is from Tom Ivan at VGC. 75 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:02.680 Sony Interactive Entertainment has high hopes of enticing PC players to PS five by continuing 76 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.879 to release its ten poles single player games for console first. While it's live 77 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:13.240 service games will definitely be released simultaneously for PS five and PC, console players 78 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.560 will continue to receive early access to Sony's narrative driven titles Herman Holst and Hideaki 79 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.639 Nishino who will be the new joint CEOs of SIE starting on June first, 80 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:29.079 discuss the strategy during the PlayStation Business briefing on Thursday, basically Thursday, Japan 81 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:32.040 time. By delaying the PC release of sequels like Marvel's Spider Man two and 82 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.879 God of War Ragnarok, Sony hopes to attract the users who have played the 83 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.720 earlier games in those series off console to make the jump to PS five in 84 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:46.439 order to experience them sooner. Jan This is like the strategy as we've understood 85 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:49.839 it for quite some time. There's been some discussion about does this have some 86 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.560 wiggle room, like how are they going to go forward with things, especially 87 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.680 after the success of Hell Divers two, which, as a reminder, fastest 88 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.560 selling game this year has already sold twelve millie copies. In fact, it's 89 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:04.199 such a success that the PlayStation five version alone is the best selling game of 90 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:09.439 the year only, but actually only behind the PC version of Hell Divers two 91 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:13.439 on its own, so it's like that much of a success. But in 92 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.279 their opinion, they're like, Okay, yeah, that's worth it for the 93 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.839 live service games, the multiplayer games. We still want to have that gap 94 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:25.040 between PlayStation five and PC That still makes sense to me to a certain extent, 95 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:27.839 although I feel like there is a wiggle room in their answer here as 96 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.120 well, where it's like, hey, yeah, of course you're going to 97 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:31.879 do that, but that doesn't even the window can't get smaller, which is 98 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:36.360 my expectation. Still, what do you think I'm When you were reading this 99 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:41.000 story this it seemed a little bit odd because this feels like just their general 100 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:47.079 approach to the single player ten poll games that I don't know how successful it's 101 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:51.959 been in like that conversion rate of like a PC player that's getting in re 102 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:59.959 entering the Sony atmosphere because of these previous PC ports in that wetting their at 103 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:03.040 tight enough to be like, oh, okay, for the next Horizon, 104 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:08.279 for the next God of War or whatever other Sony exclusive, I'm going to 105 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:13.279 have to get that PS five so I can go play that game. I 106 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.560 don't see that conversion rate being that high, But if that window gets smaller, 107 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:24.839 I don't think that'll incentivized necessarily incentivize PC players either to go out and 108 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:30.680 grab a PS five. I think what may become a stronger possibility is a 109 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:39.759 possible future where there is a portable theme deck esque device PSP device that may 110 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:43.040 not be able to play your PS five games, so like its highest potential, 111 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:49.160 but like a scale down version sure lower price price point, and that 112 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:54.959 could be the thing that gets more people through the door versus like, oh, 113 00:07:55.040 --> 00:08:01.800 I guess I can't go play the Last of Us part twelve, so 114 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:07.720 I'll I'll go get it now, because we haven't even seen that with folks 115 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.839 wanting to check out Final Fantasy seven Rebirth even yes, correct, and I 116 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:16.199 thought that would be a needle mover. Well, I think it's like the 117 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.680 opposite, right, It's it's not just that people on PC aren't like going 118 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:24.040 to get a PS five to play Rebirth. People on PlayStation are waiting on 119 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:26.879 Rebirth until it's like nah, I might wait until the whole series is out, 120 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:28.560 at least that's one of the theories out there. It's like people are 121 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.240 willing to wait for these games in a way that maybe they haven't been in 122 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:35.279 the past, or maybe we weren't aware of. And I think what we're 123 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.919 seeing is on PC people are happy to wait, and I think that's kind 124 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.320 of what we're going to continue to see. And so that's why I think 125 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:45.519 the window gets smaller, right, because it's like it's not having the effect 126 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.559 we necessarily believe it's going to have. It has some effect, some measurable 127 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:54.080 impact on getting people to make sure they keep turning on their PS fives, 128 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.240 which has a benefit to us, and then to maybe getting some people to 129 00:08:56.240 --> 00:09:00.320 buy a PS five. And in the meantime, there is that audio that 130 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.320 we know is on PC that isn't going to get a PS five almost no 131 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:05.919 matter what, and we want to get to them sooner rather than later. 132 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:11.279 And I think that sooner will be even sooner as we go forward, and 133 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:16.159 even in our position, multiple times, whenever I see a PS five game 134 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.000 get announced, I'll think, oh, that'll be cool to play on PC 135 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.759 six I think later I do think that too, Yeah, I mean, 136 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.679 but part of that is having the Steam Deck. So I think you're not 137 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.480 wrong about the form factor having an alternative form factor. I think people can 138 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.600 sort of justify that where it's like, ah, yeah, that you know, 139 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.080 I'll get that PlayStation then because it's convenient, it'll fit in my life 140 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.080 different than my PC, where the PS five doesn't feel all that different from 141 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:41.919 a PC for a lot of people, and in some ways it's like inconvenient 142 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:45.159 because You're used to playing games one way, and now they want you to 143 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.399 kind of like shift over and do it in this completely other way. That 144 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:50.840 is going to get you basically the same results at the end of the day, 145 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:54.879 that a lot of people are not going to be willing to play ball 146 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:01.200 with that. I also wonder if you know that portable aspect and ease of 147 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:07.720 access to play your games not anywhere but in different parts of your house has 148 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:16.440 contributed to the surprise hit of PlayStation portal at all, if because of devices 149 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.480 like the Nintendo Switch, Basis Roger, and the Steam Deck. If that 150 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:26.080 is kind of like reintroduced the handheld form factor to a lot of gamers to 151 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:28.600 be like, oh, I really enjoy this. I want to do this 152 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.559 more often. Also, I wonder if, like for some PC players or 153 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:39.960 your your normal general gaming audience, if a PS five or a console is 154 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:46.000 really just exclusively tied to your living room versus like, are broken systems here 155 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:52.159 where it's like all daisy chained together in an office. Yep, yeah, 156 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:56.159 true, And like everyone's going to be different and have different scenarios and stuff 157 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:01.200 like that, and various people are gonna have different differing levels of comfort with 158 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.000 you know, connecting the PC to a TV and using it that way, 159 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.240 and that stuff could change over the time a little bit here and there, 160 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.559 but I think the like the fundamental blockers here are still just the same as 161 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:18.879 they've ever been, which is people choose something, they get used to it, 162 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.480 and then it's very hard to get them to change and if you want 163 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:28.279 their money at a certain point, and it feels like that point is is 164 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.799 just where these companies are at right now. And we can talk a little 165 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:33.080 bit more about that here in a second, but it's like, yeah, 166 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.519 where these companies are at right now is trying to get you to change so 167 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.639 we can like maximize the money we're getting from you. Is not maybe worth 168 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:46.639 it as much as us going to where you're at and just be more convenient 169 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.080 to you so you're more willing to give us a smaller amount of money. 170 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.039 It's not that much smaller either. And especially it's like, you know, 171 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.480 got to where Ragnarok is going to come out, probably do very well. 172 00:11:56.759 --> 00:12:01.120 That's probably going to get announced for PC here very soon. It'll it'll you 173 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:05.000 know, be very popular. I got it. You gotta think though, 174 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:07.480 It's like, man, if it was even just like six months after the 175 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.000 initial release, where it could still like ride that wave of game of the 176 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.960 year talk marketing, it feels like it would all like all that stuff would 177 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.360 work even better. I don't know, you you think so oh one hundred 178 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:22.840 percent. And I feel like, especially with the stuff they've added into Valhalla, 179 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.879 it kind of feels like that any type of marketing almost came and went, 180 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:33.960 and you know, I to pay prices and have means to block a 181 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.360 bunch of ads grub, so I'm missing any potential TV commercials or whatever like 182 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:43.080 YouTube ads pop up. But it did feel like it was a big release 183 00:12:43.120 --> 00:12:46.919 when it came out because there's a prize drop, and then it kind of 184 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:50.759 went nowhere afterwards, and there was still a little bit of hype after Valhalla. 185 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:54.519 But I think if they had sustained that a little bit of hype three 186 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:58.879 months maybe six months later and released it for PC, it could have maintained 187 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:05.759 like a steady climb versus it feeling like a definite dip an interest that we 188 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:13.399 have now. It feels weird that I want them to just do day and 189 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.200 date on PC. Also because it feels like they're not really competing with Microsoft 190 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.519 in terms of consoles anymore. It's just right now, just software and jan. 191 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.159 This is exactly the point I wanted to get to. So let's let's 192 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.759 go to this next story here and we'll talk about that. Sony says PS 193 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:33.159 four remains an important part of our business with fifty percent of users. This 194 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:37.519 is from Andy Robinson at VGC. Sony Interactive Entertainment has said its last gen 195 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:41.799 PlayStation four console is still an important part of its business nearly four years into 196 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:48.600 its successor's lifespan. During Sony's Business Segment meeting on Wednesday, SIES new co 197 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.279 CEOs shared an update on the PlayStation business and its strategies for the future. 198 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.360 Hideaki Nisho, who will start his new role as CEO of sie S Platform 199 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.399 Business Group this weekend, said that PS five isla PlayStation's most profitable generation to 200 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:07.279 date, with operation income close to eclipsing all others combined, so very close 201 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:11.039 to what Nintendo's done. However, he revealed that PlayStation four still makes up 202 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:16.320 exactly half of its monthly active console users at forty nine million. As you 203 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.200 could see, the PlayStation five user basis continue to grow significantly, driving half 204 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:24.080 of our monthly active consoles Nishuno said during a web call. While the PlayStation 205 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.480 four is still an important part of our business, our PlayStation five players are 206 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:31.559 even more engaged than in our previous generation, and we expect these trends to 207 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:35.159 continue. Jan they're not competing with Microsoft anymore. They're competing with themselves. 208 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:43.799 They're competing with entropy and sort of people coasting and momentum where it's like, 209 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.120 hey, we just want to keep using our PS four because it does everything 210 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:48.600 we want. This is where I watch Netflix, this is where I watched 211 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.360 Amazon Prime Video, and then when I want to play a game, it's 212 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.200 already on because I was just watching Netflix. So I'm just going to get 213 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.120 the game here, and that game is probably going to run just fine. 214 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.960 In my opinion, as someone who's maybe a a little bit more casual, 215 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.440 I believe him when he says the people on PS five are more engaged. 216 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.639 Of course, the people who would move on would be the ones who are 217 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.080 the most dedicated to gaming and want to make sure they're getting the most out 218 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.759 of it. Absolutely, it is strange to me to a point to see 219 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:22.279 that thing about Okay, hey, the PS five generation has made almost more 220 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:26.440 profit than all of our generations combined before, and yet at the same time, 221 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.399 there is still this sense of from PlayStation that there is some concern about 222 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.519 the future about like, hey, yeah, the PS five sales are going 223 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.000 to start trending downward and we're gonna have to start making more money by making 224 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.600 some changes, would you like look at it once again from the way investors 225 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.759 look at it, which is unfortunately what's going to fuel this entire thing. 226 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.000 It is they look at like, Okay, what's it going to do three, 227 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.519 four or five years from now? That growth needs to be obvious to 228 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.639 us, or else we're going to freak out and pull our investment and go 229 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:02.440 invest somewhere else. And it's like this business is so successful for Sony, 230 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.559 it has done They've done everything right, and yet it's still not enough, 231 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.240 which I think brings us back to the conversation we've been having for the last 232 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.519 couple of months. Jan It just feels like these big corporations are in a 233 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:18.039 place where they aren't the ideal like delivery mechanism for cool, new interesting games. 234 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:23.840 Yeah it I one hundred percent agree with that thought, because I will 235 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:30.399 more often than not lately my my appetite skews towards like indie experiences, indie 236 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:37.159 games, just because it is offering something radically different than what we've been foresed 237 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:44.559 or presented from these these big consoles. And it's uh. I think part 238 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.519 of the problem is the continued support for PS four because they don't want to 239 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:53.320 alienate that audience, initial supply constraints and how hard it was to get a 240 00:16:53.320 --> 00:17:00.200 PS five when it launched, and also the habits that gamers have formed at 241 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:04.680 a PS four is completely fine to do everything that they want go to that 242 00:17:04.759 --> 00:17:08.279 console for It's still play Call of Duty, can still play Fortnite or FIFA 243 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:15.440 or Madden, and like the demands of those games haven't been challenging where it's 244 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.640 going to like eventually create a bottleneck where that PS four it feels like it's 245 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:22.759 chugging on its last life. And at the same time, like if you 246 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:27.200 get a PS five, you're either have forgotten about it or you're trying to 247 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:33.720 get everything out of it at this point, and it's it's a I think 248 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:38.640 it's become a problem of the industry as a whole that Sony is just not 249 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:42.720 satisfied with where they're currently at. But also I don't immediately see a solution 250 00:17:44.240 --> 00:17:48.319 to convert those PS four players either, because, as you said, habits 251 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.039 are formed. It's not just the call of Duty machine. It's not just 252 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:57.519 the Fortnite machine. Folks go there as they're Blu ray player even or as 253 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:03.440 they're streaming Box versus is going getting like an Apple TV or whatever. If 254 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.559 they go to their PS four just for Netflix or Hulu or whatever. That 255 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.599 habit has formed for a lot of folks. I've been at several airbnbs grub 256 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.640 where their media player is just a PS four. Yeah, yeah, I 257 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.039 mean it kind of became the default for I mean that's happened to a lot 258 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:23.079 of PlayStation consoles. Yeah, and when we've sort of hit a wall of 259 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:30.279 reasons to upgrade the device because of other mediums like like you know, DVD 260 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.799 and then Blu ray and streaming, it's people are pretty happy with the way 261 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:38.640 these things work, even though you know, PS four's interface could be lacking 262 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:44.319 sometimes in the fact that you're loading stuff of a hard drive is a pain, 263 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.559 but people are like, man, I'm used to it. It works, 264 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:52.920 and spending money is actually a much bigger pain. I was I did 265 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.759 watch like a video like from like I was kind of curious about like the 266 00:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.640 way investors think. And I was, I was watching the video, and 267 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.400 it's like they very plainly all say that they have their formulas, and their 268 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.519 formulas do not care about profit. They don't care about like what you've done 269 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.079 in the past. It is all based on And it's true. I guess 270 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.720 across the board from most professional investors that they're looking for the rate of growth 271 00:19:18.039 --> 00:19:22.000 and that is it. So if you are a company like PlayStation that has 272 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:27.240 had this recent spat of amazing profits, and when I say like they did 273 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:32.839 everything right, it's like they solve their biggest problems, which was they would 274 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.559 have a generation gap, and then in that generation gap from like going from 275 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:40.000 three to four, from going from yeah, three to four, two to 276 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:44.839 three, they would have massive losses because the researching development was so expensive, 277 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.920 the marketing was so expensive, and then they would be selling games to a 278 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.200 smaller audience for several years. And it's like, well, then they shifted 279 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:56.799 to services and subscriptions and live service games and that completely fixed that problem to 280 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.000 the point where now they have had steady profit. It's throughout the PS four 281 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.599 to PS five generation. It's like it feels like that's the kind of thing 282 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:11.119 that if the system were worked in profit properly, that would be rewarded. 283 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:14.599 It's like, Okay, you had an issue with not making as much money. 284 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.000 You've figured it out, and now this is a solid business that is 285 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.440 going to generate a ton of profits going forward that we can rely and expect, 286 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:27.039 rely on and expect. And it's yeah, but the PS five is 287 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.799 going to like not sell quite as many units next year as it did last 288 00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:34.319 year. It's like, yeah, but that there will still be more PS 289 00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:37.000 fives out there than there were before. How is that not good enough? 290 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.319 And it's just it turns out, once again, the whole system is broken 291 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:45.480 and it does not serve exactly what we were expecting. I think there was 292 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.880 a time in the nineties and early two thousands where these factors didn't matter so 293 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:55.319 much because that technology was progressing so fast that it like the next growth spurt 294 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:59.440 was always right around the corner, and so like you could like ignore these 295 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.160 factors. Now it's like, again, we don't know where the growth is 296 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.200 going to come from. So these companies are always freaking out. That's it. 297 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.960 It's it's it's just a bigger problem because games are so expensive to make. 298 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.319 Uh, that's maybe the biggest thing that they need to actually figure out. 299 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.079 So they did everything right, maybe that's the next problem they're going to 300 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:21.640 solve and maybe they have some ideas for that. Yeah. Hearing about that, 301 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:26.960 Greb definitely puts into context the as as to why Sony had put out 302 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:32.640 that future of PlayStation trailer that we talked chatted about last week, where none 303 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:40.279 of the stuff seemed like uh reasonable or like anything to expect in the like, 304 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:44.839 Hey, investors, what if we played games everywhere? Yep? Instead 305 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:49.839 instead of realizing the reality that we do play games everywhere, right, Yeah, 306 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:55.400 they had to address it up as as making it look something so future 307 00:21:55.920 --> 00:22:00.480 futuristic that it's like wow, that that that's gonna change every thing, and 308 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.440 not realizing that we're already there. You're right. Yeah, it's all kind 309 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.079 of a fugazi. Yeah, all right, let's move on to this next 310 00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:11.000 story. PlayStation Boss very excited about upcoming mobile games. This is from Tom 311 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.640 Ivin at VGC. Sony Interactive Entertainment has provided an update on the status of 312 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:18.240 its mobile game division. Over the past few years, the company has successfully 313 00:22:18.240 --> 00:22:23.319 expanded its business into to incorporate for PC games, but it's ambition to do 314 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:27.440 likewise on mobile has yet to bear fruit in terms of actual product releases. 315 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:33.680 During that time, Sony has quietly been building a team of experienced mobile talent, 316 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:37.440 hiring people from Apple, Kabam, Meta, ten Cent, Super Evil, 317 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.720 Evil, Megacorp, Samsung, Nyantik, Zinga, Riot and Moore, 318 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.039 and according to an active job listing, the company is looking to create a 319 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.880 new platform focused on free to play mobile games. However, last year, 320 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:52.559 it's mobile division lost two top executives weeks apart, Michael Katkoff, who worked 321 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:59.799 at Rovio in Zinga and Nicola Sebastini, who previously led Apple Arcade PlayStation boss. 322 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:03.240 Herm and Holst, who will become joint CEO of SIE on June First, 323 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.519 discuss the company's progress on the middle on the mobile games front during a 324 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.000 business briefing on Thursday. On mobile, we have been hard at work on 325 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:15.519 establishing a very strong, very seasoned, core mobile team, he said. 326 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:19.359 We are really excited to extend our experiences to new audiences in the mobile space 327 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:23.200 as well. We're taking a little bit more of a measured approach compared to 328 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:26.599 the more aggressive approach that you've seen on PC. That is because PC is 329 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:33.359 obviously more adjacent to the core audience that we've been developing. Blah blah blah. 330 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.960 This feels like we're working on it. Check back in on it, 331 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.519 and of course I'm very excited. But we'll let you know what's happening in 332 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.000 the mobile space. This is a space that if you're in gaming, you 333 00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:48.400 can't ignore, Like Sody can't ignore that that this is why they've made these 334 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:52.519 investments. But the story is right to point out that there's been some like 335 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.920 stutters along the way, and now they seem to be but kind of back 336 00:23:56.920 --> 00:24:00.279 where they started, where they made some investments, those didn't pay off off, 337 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.119 and some key people left, and now they're kind of starting from zero 338 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.519 again. At least that's the sense I get. But they are promising games 339 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:11.680 are coming. Do you believe that this is really going to be a big 340 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:18.720 part of Sony's gaming strategy going forward? I see it probably being a more 341 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:25.079 focused and sustained effort than Apple Arcade, where Apple Arcade is kind of silently 342 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.519 still growing and happening. They are interesting titles popping out on there, maybe 343 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:33.519 not all the time anymore, but every other week, every other month, 344 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:38.720 and I could see Sony having that shotgun approach now of like, all right, 345 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:41.160 we're going to get you on a console. We're still hitting you on 346 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.240 your PS four if you only have that. We're eventually going to get to 347 00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:48.880 the PC because that works in tandem with what we're already doing. But let's 348 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.599 also get them on their phones. He'll Zone mobile. You heard it here 349 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.400 first, folks, y'all, Herman Ols is going to do another Horizon, 350 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:02.759 like another five Horizon games for you on mobile. Hey, there's like a 351 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:07.599 non zero percent chance that there's just like some Horizon card game for mobile in 352 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:11.640 the works. Okay, well maybe yeah, may get talk, Maybe we 353 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.119 can talk if hey, if they want to do a mobile game, grub, 354 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.079 maybe perhaps they just do a crossword puzzle, because that's what I go 355 00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:25.119 to my phone every and every evening. Hell yeah, puzzmo. Yeah, 356 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.720 I big can of that. I'd be interested to see what they got going 357 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:33.160 on and like if they want to like continue to innovate in that specific market 358 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:40.039 or continue the growing trends. Like I don't see Sony putting together a Gotcha 359 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:45.599 style game right yet. I mean it feels very similar to kind of where 360 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.279 Nintendo was a couple of years ago, maybe more than that, where it's 361 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:52.440 like, you know, not the Nintendo's figured out mobile. They've had some 362 00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:57.160 hits, but like Mario is not, wasn't much of a thing at the 363 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:02.839 end of the day. I think fire Umboom Heroes is still going. They 364 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.359 tried that new the new game that they made with their partners in mobile that 365 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.079 I can't remember the name of. I want to say dot Emu, but 366 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:14.400 that's not right. It's yeah, but whatever, So some Dragon game that 367 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.559 was a gotcha and uh, you know in the Animal Crossing, the mobile 368 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:25.440 game and Betomo, those social service most of these things have been like they're 369 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:27.640 okay, but you know, if you want the real Animal Crossing that made 370 00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:33.359 the real money that happened on switch still and you know, so that's where 371 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.000 Nintendo's at. And yet Nintendo does feel like it's had more figured out and 372 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.960 mobile than Sony has. So it's like, okay, the approach that Sony 373 00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:44.480 needs to take you right, They're probably still at this crossroads where it is 374 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.559 do we go in the direction of trying to do gotcha, trying to make 375 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.240 something that's very mobile, or do we try to translate the PlayStation experience to 376 00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.319 phone, and that's it's a very tough thing to do, because yeah, 377 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:00.440 that's your strength. But at the same time, gotcha is the thing that 378 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:07.279 people gotchack like ideas Mobile gaming like ideas is what people expect and what works 379 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:11.079 well in that business model. But it's not like that is some cheat code 380 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:15.359 either, because you're still still going to probably hit a wall of there are 381 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.000 other games people are already already playing, and yours isn't that much better than 382 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:23.119 theirs, And and honestly, you don't have the institutional knowledge to be able 383 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.799 to, like, you know, use the dark patterns and manipulate and manipulate 384 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.359 people on mobile phone to get the most out of them anyhow, So you're 385 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.279 probably gonna hit that wall just as well if you were to try to make 386 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.039 a game like they do. So yeah, I don't think that Sony's gonna 387 00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.319 have an easy road to hoe here, but I get why they have to 388 00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:44.440 try, And this is something they need to be telling investors because this is 389 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.440 an area where if they do get something, it is a space where they 390 00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.559 can grow that they haven't had any growth before, so it's fertile ground. 391 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:55.960 At the very least, you could totally poort over or create a smaller scale 392 00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.440 back ratchet and clank experience on mobile. At this point, maybe like, 393 00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:06.359 do some of like the classic PlayStation games on their PS one games over on 394 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:10.799 on mobile, create those porthos over, make a new type of experience. 395 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.759 Uh cookies and cream grub, what about cookies and cream Huh? There it 396 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:18.480 is. Yeah, I should have thought about that. I will admit. 397 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.279 When I was first reading through this story, uh, and I saw mobile 398 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.119 games, my heart fluttered that, oh, we are going to get a 399 00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:29.119 PSP, and then I realized, oh mobile equals phone. Yeah, mobile 400 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.640 ecosphone these days. Yeah, that happened sometime ago. I know what you 401 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:34.440 mean. Though there was a time where it was like there would be like 402 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:37.640 best Mobile Game award for Game of the Year awards stuff, and it would 403 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.680 be referring to the Game Boy. But that was a very different time. 404 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:45.400 Uh yeah, I I I get it. I get what they're what, 405 00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.759 you know, why they have to say this, But I do feel like 406 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.799 part of this is like, hey, you know him saying let me conclude 407 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:56.920 by saying that we're very excited about upcoming titles title releases that we can communicate 408 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.720 in the future. That is very much just biding time because you know, 409 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.599 like I've said this on a recent show, those people leaving does sound like 410 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:08.559 it was more tumultuous than they're letting on. Does sound like there was some 411 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:12.720 significant issues. This was alleged to me, alleged, alleged, allegend always 412 00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.799 say that's the magic word. It was alleged to me that there was some 413 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:22.720 some toxicity at these companies from people potentially in leadership. And when that sort 414 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.119 of like brings the whole thing down, it's hard to like build it back 415 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.279 up. You kind of have to start fresh again. So that's why I 416 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.519 get the sense that they are starting fresh again, and who knows how long 417 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:33.680 that actually ends up taking. But I don't think that means they're a bandity 418 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:38.359 mobile. They'll do something in that space. Also, Greb, I feel 419 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:44.759 like part of the problem with maybe some mobile experiences, maybe Apple Arcade per 420 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:48.680 se, and why it hasn't completely taken off, is because those are full 421 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.680 last style games. When people are coming to mobile for like a quick fix, 422 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:57.200 like a crossword puzzle, round of Codon Mobile or whatever, mobile style 423 00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.079 game is like popping off at the minute, and app Arcade even like has 424 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.119 the advantage of you know, I have that on my my MacBook Air that 425 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.200 I got recently. That's that's why I would play those games. And it's 426 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:11.000 like, you know, that's a computer. I could just plug a controller 427 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:14.000 into that thing and just or you know, connect a Bluetooth controller and just 428 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:17.759 go to town and play those games the way God intended. And even that, 429 00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:19.079 it's like, yeah, people don't think of it that way. They're 430 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:23.000 they're they're looking for the mobile game experience. For the most part. That's 431 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.279 said Apple Arcades. I was pretty impressed by it. I don't think it's 432 00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.279 not like a first to mind thing. It's not like when I wake up, 433 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.640 I think about games, and Apple Arcade does not occur to me very 434 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:37.680 frequently. I'll say, that's when I do like trawl those those halls for 435 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.480 for games. So there's some interesting stuff in here. Yeah, still I 436 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.559 still want to play that Hello Kitty game. We'll see. Uh. Do 437 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:48.960 you think of day Katana before you think of Apple Arcade? I do, 438 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.960 unfortunately, think of Dai Katana before I think of most things. It goes 439 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:57.559 children guy to get them to school, I gotta go pee. I should 440 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:04.000 eat da Katana in that order. Holy Trinity, all right, We're going 441 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:08.000 to take a quick break for our commercial sponsors. We'll get to more headlines 442 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:18.559 right after this. Let's get back into it with Hollywood News. There's a 443 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.839 Minecraft TV show coming to Netflix. This is from Eddie mcco at GameSpot. 444 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.480 In addition to the upcoming Minecraft movie, a Minecraft TV show is in the 445 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.599 works. Microsoft and Netflix have announced the partnership to bring Minecraft to TV in 446 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.319 the form of an animated show. Not much as known about the Minecraft series, 447 00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.039 but it will tell an original story with new characters, showing the world 448 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:42.480 of Minecraft in a new light. Yeah. I mean this makes some sense 449 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.240 to me. I feel like people will go, well, you know, 450 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:48.240 it makes a ton of sense. You know, a show kids could watch 451 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.759 that. I've had an epiphany recently about this jan they don't care what you 452 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.359 know. You know, where there's a million hours of Minecraft or Minecraft like 453 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.319 content that they can go on, and they don't care about the quality. 454 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:06.319 It's called YouTube, and there are people making endless amounts of stuff related to 455 00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:10.079 the things that they're interested in, Like my kid Super Gotten too, their 456 00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.920 Indo Mario and inside Out right now, and she just will like, Okay, 457 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:21.000 I'm gonna type inside Out into YouTube. And there will be you know, 458 00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.200 YouTube shorts of people explaining like what's going on in the movies. There 459 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:28.359 will be people like telling new stories where the characters using Plushi's and it's like, 460 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.160 yeah, it's all relatively low quality to what you would expect from a 461 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:36.759 Netflix show, but it's they don't care. They're watching it and they're they're 462 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.640 into it, and that to them that this is their entertainment, and I'm 463 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.480 like, yeah, I kind of get it. I think if I was 464 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.880 a kid, I would have felt the same way, where it's like people 465 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:45.680 talking about the stuff. I like, it's all right here, I can 466 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.279 watch that. So it's like when I see stuff like this these days, 467 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.839 Jan, I get a little bit more skeptical about, like who is this 468 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.359 for? Are you going to make this Froncraft TV show for kids or for 469 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.000 already converted fans? And then maybe it can pop off, you know, 470 00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.160 you know sales at that Cuphead show. My kids watch that, and that's 471 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:05.559 still their only interaction with Cuphead because I won't let them play that. After 472 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.039 what happens to Bean, of course, I don't know. You Yeah, 473 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.680 just shot outs to Dan, are you excited about a Minecraft TV show? 474 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:17.720 No? I don't think I'm the target audience. Despite really enjoying playing Minecraft, 475 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:24.039 and now that you mentioned the kind of like YouTube barrage of content and 476 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:29.480 consuming related content, I don't immediately see who this is for other than just 477 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.720 putting this on in the background. And because kids are familiar with Minecraft want 478 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:39.519 to consume more Minecraft. Here's a little bit a higher production of Minecraft. 479 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:45.200 If you go through like Disney Plus and some of these other streamers, primarily 480 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:51.880 Disney Plus, you will see so many different Lego specials grub of Star Wars 481 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:59.640 of Marvel related things, and they're all actually pretty funny and pretty decent and 482 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.920 inner haining. But I do see it being like, Okay, y'all are 483 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:07.159 trying to get the kids back in because like they're familiar with the Lego games, 484 00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:12.400 they're familiar with Marvel or Star Wars, and like this is a melding 485 00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.719 of both, and we can get them in locked into this platform because you 486 00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:20.119 know, you're a father grub. I have several friends that say, the 487 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.920 the Disney Plus only ever plays blue Yes, uh, the Disney Channel, 488 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.719 yes, the Disney Yes. It's like it's like Bluey and then the Spider 489 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:34.719 Man cartoon that they that ripped off PJ masks. Yes, yes, yes, 490 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.840 uh. And I guess this is a similar thing where Sony sees the 491 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:45.639 people on on on PS four still part of their major audience. If Netflix 492 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.639 sees you you're watching the Minecraft show repeatedly, we got you in there. 493 00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:53.599 Yeah, But like, I don't know how much effort they should put into 494 00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:59.400 this even right, it's exactly yeah, it is. It's a it's a 495 00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.079 question mark. And I think that's where it goes back to, like I 496 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.599 think decide early on that like who this show is for, and I think 497 00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.760 go after the fans that have been playing the game for several years and have 498 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:15.519 like sort of not aged out of but have like consumed a significant amount of 499 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.360 content from about Minecraft from YouTube or Twitch or whatever up to this point. 500 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.360 So they are kind of like, you know, I've had that experience. 501 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:28.159 Maybe what would it be like to get a very well produced, well written 502 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.280 show that has strong characters, that has continuity and all this stuff. Maybe 503 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.079 That's what I'm looking for now. So I think make it for that audience. 504 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:37.519 Scope it for that audience, and I think you can really you could 505 00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.320 probably have something that's going to be just fine and makes a lot of sense 506 00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:45.360 at the same time, you know, there's you know, I was gonna 507 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:46.880 say, there's a chance that doesn't actually get made. Feels like these the 508 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:52.320 Netflix shows usually do end up coming out. Yeah, I almost think that 509 00:35:54.519 --> 00:36:00.159 the kids have already rediscovered machinema and everything, and like Bobbing character, it's 510 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:04.360 to properly animated stuff. I feel like Red versus Blue, that Rooster Teeth 511 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:07.519 joint could have had like a new life perhaps in like this TikTok age. 512 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:14.320 I almost feel like, Grub, here's what we do. We make our 513 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:17.800 own Minecraft show on on TikTok Yeah, and that's how we just blow up 514 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.679 there and then just imagine like, oh hey, it's it's me, mister 515 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:27.320 Creeper, and look at this new check out my TikTok shop for this tripod. 516 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:31.719 The kids will buy anything from mister Creeper. That's what I found. 517 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:36.079 Oh my god. Okay, Grub, we're gonna delete this part of the 518 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:40.480 podcast, Okay, yep. Trademark trademark trademark. Absolutely. Nikki got the 519 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:49.199 those lav mics that I that I influenced people on and they canceled their order 520 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.920 and they still send it anyhow, So it's a deal. Right there. 521 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.719 I hope I'll put them on blast, don't. I don't think TikTok is 522 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.880 listening. I think I think we're gonna be okay. All right, let's 523 00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:06.159 with the Hollywood news. Universal Pictures is making a Just Cause movie. This 524 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.639 is from Jonas Mackie at Game Reactor. Where movie adaptations of video games used 525 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.079 to be something we often scofked at because of their poor quality, the situation 526 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.199 today is completely different. There are people or there are plenty of great series 527 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.039 being produced, including the Last of Us, fall Out in Castlevania, and 528 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.880 the Super Mario Brothers movie was a huge hit. As a result, Hollywood 529 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:29.440 is desperately looking for games to be filmed, and the next project from to 530 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.920 be in the pipeline is Just Caused. The film is based on Swedish developer 531 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.639 Avalanche Studio's action packed game series, and it will be Universal Pictures that has 532 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:42.760 the honor of landing the venture. The director has already been confirmed and it 533 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:50.880 will be Blue Beatle creator Angel Manuel and hell Manhel Soto who leads the film 534 00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:58.760 adaptation and otherwise details are scarce. Yeah, is this a step up or 535 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:06.320 down from Blue Beetle? I like this director and Blue Beetle wasn't the best, 536 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.840 but it was okay in bits. I also really liked the kid in 537 00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:15.920 that from Cobra Kai. Sorry, let me put up the Blue Beetles celebration 538 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.519 a scene. There we go, There we go. Yeah, yay, 539 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:28.159 this could be interesting. Yeah, it could be. I think it may 540 00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:31.960 be on par if not a little bit better than the Uncharted movie. Yeah. 541 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:35.679 I mean, I think they like it feels a little bit like an 542 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.079 open canvas to some extent where it's like it could just be an action movie 543 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.599 and and then you could have like some elements of the game and make it 544 00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.320 maybe make it fantastical so it is like, you know, the character is 545 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:52.519 using a parachute to like fly around and stuff like that. Whatever. I 546 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:57.000 think if they like lean into that, it could be a lot of fun, 547 00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.960 which is kind of all I would want from if I if someone's like, 548 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:02.119 we gonna see the Just Cause movie, my one hope would be it 549 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:07.800 better be fun. I don't care if it's like moving or emotional or tell 550 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.239 us a good story even, just be fun. And I think if you 551 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:14.000 go in there with your sights set on that, they could probably do something 552 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:20.039 pretty pretty decent. I just ask that there's like parachutes and grappling hooks out 553 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:27.840 the wazoo. I think you have to. I love I love Pedro pesqual 554 00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.559 but plate please stay away from this one. Yeah, Pedro, you need 555 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:34.960 to. Yes, just take a break, take a vacation, my guy. 556 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.519 Yeah, yeah, I love you though, just like we that's how 557 00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:40.159 much we love you. We want you to just go have some time, 558 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:45.440 you know, be under your own. Grapefruit tree and and vine? What 559 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:46.679 is they? What do they say in that Hamilton song? I think that's 560 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:51.199 what. No, yeah, that's what they say, grapefruit tree and vine. 561 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.800 Yeah, hey, good luck. This is Hey this one strong chance 562 00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:00.440 it never comes out. I feel like it could come out, you could, 563 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.960 but this is this is this is the one that's like in that zone 564 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:08.159 of short short, short shore. Eh. It's like how long did we 565 00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.440 hear about an uncharted movie and like the rumblings for it, Like I feel 566 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:17.239 like Dan Truck Blueberg was attached to that for a little bit even. Yeah. 567 00:40:19.199 --> 00:40:22.159 Yeah, I also at the same time, grub I feel like there's 568 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.920 such an appetite for like video game related movies and that being like we're in 569 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:32.159 a new heyday of that being some type of maybe not cash cow but hype 570 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.519 generator. This could happen, and especially if it's like a mindless action flick 571 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:45.280 that this this grub What if this becomes the what is the Netflix Chris Hemsworth 572 00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.239 series? Yes, well, what if this is an extraction? Like that 573 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.440 would be exactly what I would want from that, Like just there we go. 574 00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.719 Make it so NonStop and intense that you kind of like can't help but 575 00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.239 laugh at its. It's so absurd. Well, you know what, throw 576 00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.639 Oscar Isaac it. That'd be good. That's good. Now he could be 577 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.159 the two most iconic video game characters because apparently he was gonna be cast as 578 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:14.199 a solid snake. And also just Cosmon, which I think is the character's 579 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:20.440 name. Uh Rico, Rico, just Cosmon. Uh Yeah, there we 580 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:22.800 go. That's that's gotta be it, you know, just make it. 581 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:27.159 Andy Samberg, Yeah, okay, I'm down now, just cause it feels 582 00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:30.960 like, in a different era would have been the kind of game that U 583 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:36.000 V Bowl would have got his hands on. And it really really that way. 584 00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:38.960 Oh, don't say that, it's just that. Say listen, we've 585 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:44.199 escaped his clutches. I think I think we're safe. Rip right did he 586 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:49.159 die? I don't know? Okay, all right? True? Why? 587 00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:51.239 I don't care? You know what? Dad? Or alive? I don't 588 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.599 care? Sorry? V bowl uh Balder's Gape three CEO blames COVID for turning 589 00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.039 Forgotten Realms into a quote horny place. This is from Rachel fight Us at 590 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.840 Dual Shockers. Balderskate three is jam packed full of exciting adventures, a diverse, 591 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:09.039 ragtag group of misfit heroes, and hours of turn based combat that keeps 592 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.280 D and D fans firmly glued to their seats. Even though that's usually enough 593 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.400 to keep players happy for days on end and prolonged episodes of touching any grass. 594 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.880 There is one key element in Bouldersgate three that draws a different crowd, 595 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.280 and that's, of course, its rampant horniness. Whether you went to Romance, 596 00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.719 Carlac Starion or Shadow Heart, that's completely up to you. But Larryon 597 00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:35.920 Studio's director has an idea about why Boulderscape three is Forgotten Realms is such a 598 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.400 frisky game, and he thinks it's all down to COVID. In an interview 599 00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:43.039 with Game Pressure, which sounds like a horny website, I'm gonna be honest, 600 00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.400 Okay. The developers from Larry and Studios, as well as its CEO 601 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:52.000 Spinviink, popped in for a chat about Boulderskate three, where everything from Monty 602 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:57.039 Python, the difficulties from locked Down, to Balderskate three's script and how it 603 00:42:57.159 --> 00:43:00.000 kept its identity was discussed. In between all of the important topics, the 604 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:05.400 question naturally arose about the game's raunchiness and why the team thought it became one 605 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:09.599 of the horniest games around. Covid replied vin K, maybe semi jokingly, 606 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:13.320 but he probably does have a point here. As we all know, throughout 607 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:16.639 the lockdown period, many people were unable to be with family and friends, 608 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:21.440 losing out on vital human connections, and for many of us being home bound 609 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.039 meant powering up our PCs or consoles, and the period since many players still 610 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:30.159 seek out that bond. Vink echoes this by saying that he believes that people 611 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.960 get so engaged in companionship and that it's a testament to the work of the 612 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:38.840 team that's been doing it. They want to romance them. I get what 613 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:42.920 they're going for here, jan I think that this is just the human condition. 614 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.679 This is just human nature. That desire for companionship is just It goes 615 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.639 back a long way before COVID, and I think this game is just good 616 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:57.920 at expressing that. That's all one. I don't think this game is horny 617 00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.159 because of COVID. I think it was always destined to be horny, right, 618 00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:07.119 This was its fate from the very beginning of time. Mass effect was 619 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:13.400 never influenced by anything, right, A lot lot of stuff about mass effect 620 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.960 on there. Hey, let me tell you some popular searches on a certain 621 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:21.079 website. Overwatch is at the top of those all the time. It is 622 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:25.800 not related to any global disease. Yeah, I think it's just the human 623 00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:30.480 condition. Grub. Also, I guess, if anything, what COVID plays 624 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:36.039 into that is the feeling of isolation. So when you are embarking on a 625 00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:40.000 game where the relationships are super duper important and like you have very well written 626 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.199 characters, people are definitely going to flock to that and put more weight onto 627 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:50.800 that. But I see similar things happening with like Persona games, even Final 628 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.599 Fantasy seven Rebirth, where people were like flocking to people are flocking TIFA for 629 00:44:54.719 --> 00:45:00.840 various reasons, but those various party members as well, and and you know, 630 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:05.079 similar experiences to how I felt about Infinite Wealth, where it's like, 631 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:09.400 oh, I love these this this cast of dumbasses, identify with them. 632 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:14.000 Yeah, I think it's that's right. It's like, uh, COVID maybe 633 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:19.599 amplified things or made people like realize how important uh the like having a safe 634 00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:23.519 place to play around those emotions is. And and this game definitely provides that, 635 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:29.199 And and they probably capitalized on it to a certain extent. And I 636 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:30.960 wonder because of like how I was framed as a triple A title, because 637 00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:35.880 like, you know, these experiences where like people do explore different varieties of 638 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:43.320 like the human experience and human emotions exists so well in the indie space if 639 00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:47.559 folks that don't necessarily have the means to check out that those types of indie 640 00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:53.039 games, because visibility is very very difficult for that. If Balder's Gate three 641 00:45:53.199 --> 00:46:00.599 was like oh oh yeah type of deal and also tapping into the micmann An 642 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:06.639 audimentality of I can fix her exactly. Yes, Yeah, I think it's 643 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:14.039 there was definitely some like perfect storm stuff happening where I think a certain audience 644 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.440 of like sex positive people had grown loud enough that it's like, yeah, 645 00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.320 like why why wouldn't you be able to fuck the bear? Like the bear 646 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.280 has needs? And then the game and then the game was like I have 647 00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:30.360 need, Yeah exactly, and it's bears again. There there's This game had 648 00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:34.000 a blaring sign before it came out of you can fuck the bear, and 649 00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.719 everyone's like, one, that's funny and two that like is indicative. I 650 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.880 think of an emphasis on in dick in there indicative. There you go, 651 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:45.519 everybody. Uh, The emphasis is like, hey, you have a possibility 652 00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.840 space to do what you want in this game, and we're gonna accommodate that. 653 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.960 Uh. And yeah, I think that it really was able to again 654 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.519 capitalize on that. You know, yeah, a lot of D and D 655 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:59.360 games, it's my understanding. I've never done tabletop role playing. They can 656 00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:02.039 drift into hornness pretty quickly, so this game is sort of being there to 657 00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.119 catch that audience. It felt like it was always destined to do this. 658 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:12.280 I feel like the cod factor isn't necessarily just isolated to like the horn you 659 00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.719 knows of the game, or the relationships. All the free flowing yeah exactly, 660 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:20.559 the free flowing ability to make numerous decisions and play the game how you 661 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:25.000 want, especially after like you know, being regimented for most people to live 662 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:30.119 a certain way because of living through the pandemic. So you know a lot 663 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:31.159 of these folks will be like, you know what, I will do whatever 664 00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:37.519 I want. I will seek a romance romantic relationship with this bear and immediately 665 00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.840 get mulled by that bear instead. Exactly. I do think, you know, 666 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.079 for everything we've said here, there is a little bit of toothpaste out 667 00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:52.039 of the tube where you can never if you're making a game, you can 668 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.400 never again be like, well, you know, we can't represent sex in 669 00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.280 that way, and it's like, well, Boulderskate three did it, and 670 00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:01.039 look at it. It's very popular in one Game of the Year awards. 671 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:06.719 So I think going forward that the industry will kind of be changed to a 672 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.239 certain extent. That doesn't mean like every game is going to try to do 673 00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.840 what Ball just Game three did. I think most companies will be way fred 674 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.719 nor should they, yes, of course, but I do think it'll be 675 00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:21.800 it will open up the opportunity for more games to have a more mature approach 676 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.760 to these things going forward, and that's that's something to be to be proud 677 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:30.000 of. I think, yeah, like, I don't see adding sex to 678 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.960 Starfield saving Starfield for me personally. No, no, definitely. I mean, 679 00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:37.559 had I cared more about the characters that would have been sure, that 680 00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:39.159 would have been good for that game for sure. But yeah, yeah, 681 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:43.880 yeah, yeah, that's I don't remember anyone's name, grub. There was 682 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.960 that cowboy that had the kid? Oh well? Uh. Harvest Moon Home 683 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:52.199 Sweet Home announced for iOS and Android. This is from Salamano at Gamatsu. 684 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.880 Natsume has announced the farming simulation game Harvest Moon Moon Home Sweet Home is coming 685 00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:04.480 to iOS and Android and look, I was trying to say Harvest Home and 686 00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.920 it came out. Boy, It's coming out August. They said they are 687 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.880 excited to bring a fresh, new Harvest Moon experience back to mobile gamers with 688 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.440 Harvest Moon Home Sweet Home. Hey, Harvest Moon used to be a really 689 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:20.280 big franchise, and now everyone would just play Starters Valley instead. I guess 690 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.360 I'm glad that they're still doing stuff with it, but it feels like, 691 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:28.480 man, could you put like this on switch as well or instead? I 692 00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.000 don't know. I don't know if I'll ever try to play Harvest Moon again. 693 00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:37.159 I would just play starvedu Valley instead, So I guess maybe they're right 694 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:38.800 to go for this different audience in the first place. Do you have any 695 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:44.440 affinity for Harvest Moon negative, other than it knowing that it has like an 696 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.639 adorable cow in the game. Yes, But if I were to seek out 697 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:52.400 a farming game first, I would redownload Disney Dreamland Valley and then you know, 698 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:59.320 just just check up on my crops there. But then i'd eventually if 699 00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:01.400 I were to like go a whole hog and play a farming style game, 700 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:06.079 I would want to finally try and pick up Stardu Valley for the first time. 701 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.159 It's great, it's got a multiplayer mode, and yeah, and I 702 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.880 feel like that's just the move for a lot of folks at this point. 703 00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.639 And even your casual gamer that may have like lapsed outside of Animal Crossing, 704 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.400 a lot of them will hear in their little circles, will hear of just 705 00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:28.000 embarking onto Stardo Valley or going all the way into SIMS. Yeah, and 706 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:32.199 starting Value is on mobile as well, so it's like, yeah, Simms 707 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:37.679 is like creating a It's always had a very weird subculture and subscene, but 708 00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.000 like even more so, I feel like that scene is getting loud. Yes, 709 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:45.480 yeah, it's like it's growing in terms of its ability to like amplify 710 00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:51.119 and get get its sound out to other people. I think SIMS goes mobile 711 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:55.280 for SIMS five. I think SIMS five on PC, console and mobile doesn't 712 00:50:55.280 --> 00:51:00.159 seem out of the realm of possibility, not at all. I feel that 713 00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.000 translate very well to like an iPad. Yeah, there's no reason I wouldn't 714 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.360 be able to run on there. Yeah, oh my god, just create 715 00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:12.440 daily quests for your SIMS and stuff. We're gonna cut this out of the 716 00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:15.840 program as well. MT Yeah, I'm sure there is a mobile SIMS already, 717 00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:19.239 but I don't think it's like it's not just SIMS four. I don't 718 00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.400 think so. Stardo is also on Apple Arcade. You're right, yes, 719 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.519 yeah, totally, that makes that makes sense. I did triplaying when it 720 00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:29.880 first came to Android. I played it a little bit. It's good, 721 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.400 it works all right. Last story here, Jeff Grubbs Summer game mess has 722 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.440 begun. It begins today with the PlayStation state of play at six pm Eastern 723 00:51:38.519 --> 00:51:45.719 three pm Pacific time. I believe that a Marino has the full like chart 724 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:47.159 of when all these things are happening. I'll put that up on screen here 725 00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.760 in a second if I can find it, but yeah, that's gonna be 726 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.599 thirty minutes, fourteen games. And then following that at seven pm there is 727 00:51:53.639 --> 00:52:00.239 the Konami Silent Held Transmission. Updates on Silent Hill two, Silent Hill F 728 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:04.039 which is like the new entry in the series, and then Silent Hell tound 729 00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:07.440 Ball, which is like an offshoot that they're doing with Anna Perna and that 730 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:13.079 developer No code. So hey, events are starting now, jan are you 731 00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:17.920 hype? Yeah? Jay to ask you a question that's unrelated everything I just 732 00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:20.360 said, and I was because I was about to say to work, but 733 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:22.880 I don't know what it means? What? What is? What's hyphie? 734 00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:28.599 Ah? Hyphee is a state of mind. It's it's a way of being 735 00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:35.920 grub It's like an energy. It's like mana that you tap into. Okay 736 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:39.880 ifee music. I also hyphie is like a genre subgenre of music, hip 737 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:45.519 hop music from the Bay Area. And it's just like you know, you 738 00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.880 you activated a switch at me, and I was about to like actively started 739 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:58.159 like code switching and like start introducing other vernacular into the market. Oh hey, 740 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.960 you know what you cool off? Cool off. All right, you 741 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:05.960 take it easy. I was about to start tarfing, all right, miss 742 00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.840 not on this show about man going dummy? Oh no, I feel like 743 00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:13.519 you'd have a good fizz s face and everything. All right, Yeah, 744 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.880 folks at home ghost ride the whip, Baby, ghost ride the whip. 745 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.599 They didn't have these things in Ohio. Oh yeah. You want to talk 746 00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:24.760 about confusing someone with words coming out of my mouth? Me going to Lexi 747 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:30.400 and telling her all of the Bay Area vernacular and just saying it shoot stone 748 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:35.239 cold face. It just be like, what are you saying? Yeah? 749 00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:39.119 I would imagine a fun cultural exchange would be putting Lexi in a room with 750 00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:44.320 Michael Hym and I talking to each other. I would I would very much 751 00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:45.320 like to see that. That would be very good. We can make that 752 00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:51.639 happen. Yeah, I would love that. All right, Summer game mess 753 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:53.760 upon us PlayStation, stay to play. We'll we'll talk over that one, 754 00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.920 everybody. So we'll probably do voicemail, dumb truck, take a small little 755 00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:00.559 break, and then we will talk over the state of play. You know, 756 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:05.599 expectations are I think in check there you got any like last minute hopes 757 00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:09.320 for that one. I'd really like to see more astrobot stuff. Yeah, 758 00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:15.159 pretty likely. I think we'll be good with that. Maybe they have opened 759 00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.679 up ps VR two enough that like, hey, maybe we'll see a half 760 00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.079 life Alex. I highly doubt it. I think what we will see, 761 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:28.679 though, is it's somehow more Horizon. Yeah, that Lego Horizon game hangs 762 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.159 over us like a sword of Dan Thecles and yeah, it's it's frightening. 763 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:37.079 I don't think we're gonna be able to escape it. I just have you 764 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:38.800 thought about that game at all anymore? Does it make any more sense to 765 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:45.920 you than when we first mentioned it? Lego Lego Horizon, Yeah, I 766 00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:49.920 think it. You know, like they have a couple of at least one 767 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:53.599 Lego set, and I feel like, because of the look of the robotic 768 00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:58.800 dinosaurs and other animals that could be fun in a Lego environment. I just 769 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.599 don't feel myself clam to that. I kind of feel like how people felt 770 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:07.320 when green Day rock band came out of like, oh cool, you got 771 00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.800 a rock band of this one, all right, but for folks that are 772 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.159 fans of Green Day like fans of Horizon, right, it means the world 773 00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:20.119 team you're eaten. Yeah, they're feasting. Yeah, today, Horizon one 774 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.880 in one baby, that's maybe one of the best like points of reference you've 775 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.840 ever made. Jan, I fully understand what you're getting across there. Now, 776 00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.840 Yeah, same thing. Horizon is the Green day of video games? 777 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:35.000 All right? Here's the chart everybody, if you should, if you have 778 00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.280 your time zone, if you're in New Delhi, for example, the state 779 00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.639 of play is going to start at three point thirty a m. You know 780 00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.920 time zones that have the half an hour thing messed up. That's so weird. 781 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.800 I don't do that. I know you got big countries, but weird. 782 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:52.519 All right, now I'm getting yelled at. No, it is not 783 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:57.400 the Green day of video games. Disagree? I disagree? All right, 784 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.480 let's get the poll question up. That's right here. I'm gonna hit that. 785 00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:06.880 We'll refresh. Don't see what the results are. Are you excited about 786 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:12.840 the PlayStation state of play? Fifty percent said yes, fifty percent said no. 787 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:16.480 After three thousand votes. Wow, people don't trust state of plays anymore? 788 00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:23.400 Jan, Yeah, I think and with a lot of people of thinking. 789 00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.119 Well, all right, I guess we'll see what we got this year. 790 00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.440 I'm always ready to be surprised and I'm always ready to be wrong. 791 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:36.159 But I don't feel a lot of excitement. Yeah, it's like I think 792 00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:38.280 I know what state of place are at this point. And we've talked about 793 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:42.400 this on the show before, when we would have the state of play come 794 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:45.320 and then we'd have the round up and people are disappointed it was we'd always 795 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:51.559 point out that these things feel like contractual obligations almost certainly because that's what they 796 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:57.039 are. Where Sony gets these co marketing deals and part of the like, 797 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.039 hey, we're going to give you so much money worth of marketing. The 798 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.440 way they account for some of that is we'll put you in a state of 799 00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:06.599 play which is worth this much money. And so that's why some games show 800 00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:07.960 up in there that you're like not excited about. But it's like, nope, 801 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:10.840 Sony owed a deal to these people, so they had to do it, 802 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:15.840 and the whole thing ends up feeling like an obligation, which kind of 803 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:19.480 takes the air out of it a little bit. Yeah, I don't think. 804 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.039 I don't think Nintindo does the directs that way, which is maybe why 805 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:24.880 they feel different. Oh, one hundred percent, one hundred percent hard hard 806 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:29.599 heart agree grub. What do you think are the odds that we see some 807 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:34.119 type of Mijoyo game in this right now, not zero, honestly, Zenless 808 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.199 Zone zero is that the next one? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that's 809 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:43.480 that's honestly probably going to be there and no, totally one hundred percent. 810 00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.800 And like you know, they shelling out the money to show up in a 811 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:51.559 state of play is chump change in terms of like what they're making on a 812 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:52.960 daily right, and those games are so big, I don't even maybe though 813 00:57:53.000 --> 00:57:55.159 they don't even have to pay, I don't know, honestly, I'm I'm 814 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:59.880 not sure. So it's it's hard to tell. One of my best buddies 815 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:04.760 his PS four because he hasn't upgraded yet. That's just his Genshin machine. 816 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:10.559 Now, oh really yeah, I still never have played Genshin. July fourth, 817 00:58:10.599 --> 00:58:15.719 it's win Zendless Zone zero launches. I'm gonna celebrate this nation the way 818 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:20.119 the founding Fathers intended with wife fus. I'm just assuming there's wife fos in 819 00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.880 this game. I think that's a safe assumption to make. I think it's 820 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:28.079 a safe assumption as well if it is Mikoyo joint. All right, we 821 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.519 got a new poll question. We'll get to that in a second. In 822 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:32.559 the meantime, Jan, what do we have happening on this dang darn website. 823 00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.039 We have voicemailed dumb truck popping off later today and then after that we 824 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:42.960 will be talking over the state of play. I believe it will be yourself, 825 00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:46.880 Bacalar, Dan and me. Maybe we'll have some other hooligans in there 826 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:52.480 tomorrow another episode of Game Mess Mornings as well as UPF. Maybe just be 827 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:58.960 a good old grab bag of thangs. And yeah, and we're folks. 828 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.280 We are so close to the finish line for SGF until we actually start that 829 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:08.119 race BCR. It's planned, but again, folks, the card is subject 830 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:13.360 to change. Yeah, we are. We're at the whims and mercies of 831 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:19.599 fate and time and meetings and meetings, mostly meetings. There's a lot to 832 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:22.800 figure out still, So yes, poor Bacalar working on East coast time with 833 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:28.320 a lot of West Coasters. I feel so bad for Backlar. Everyone give 834 00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:30.280 give a shout out to Jerff next time you see him on something, because 835 00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:36.039 the man is working tiresly, just like this Jeff as well, round the 836 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.079 clock. We're gonna make it happen, though, everybody. Uh, we'll 837 00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.559 let you know about BCR and all that stuff. In the meantime, here 838 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.760 is a poll question. How often do you turn on your PS four for 839 00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:49.920 any reason? Daily, weekly, monthly, or I do not use my 840 00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:54.079 PS four anymore? Actually I stopped using my PS four. Yeah that works. 841 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:59.119 That pole question will be up on the community tab on YouTube dot com 842 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:01.920 slash at Giant Bomb. You could vote in that. We'll discuss the results 843 01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:07.360 on game as Mornings on Giant Bomb tomorrow. Once again speaking to Giant Bomb, 844 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:10.599 tune in today for voicemail dump Truck, and then we'll go right into 845 01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:14.320 the state of play talkover. I'm looking forward to it. At the very 846 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.519 least, if they announce a new astro, I'm gonna be excited kind of. 847 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:21.920 No matter what I said, they're better to Please put those speed run 848 01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:23.639 things in there, because that's really what I played. Please know that, 849 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:28.360 Like look at me, Herman Holst, Please do it. Don't don't let 850 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:30.000 it come out with that more speed run stuff. I need it. I'm 851 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:35.039 addicted, all right, Jan Thank you so much for spitting today talking with 852 01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:37.239 me about video games. Man, I really appreciate it. It's my favorite 853 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:40.760 way to start a Thursday. I hope everyone out there is giggin after this 854 01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.800 baby. Oh no, I really did activate him. I thank you all 855 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.000 for watching. I can't tell if you're mad because you don't like that at 856 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.400 compared Green Day to Horizon or Horizon the Green Day. We'll figure that all 857 01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.280 next time. Until then, have a good one, take care of yourself, 858 01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.599 and goodbye gaming.