This is doctor Wendy Walsh and you're listening to KFI AM six forty, the
Doctor Wendy Walsh Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome back to the
Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty. This is the time of
the show where I head into my social media, those dms. You're welcome
to send me one. The handle everywhere is at doctor Wendy Walsh, Instagram,
TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, you name it. You could just send
me a private message. You should know that I protect your identity. I
change your name and hopefully I don't give out any ID identifying features. And
just a reminder, I'm not a therapist. I'm a psychology professor, but
I have written three books on relationships and I'm obsessed with the science of love.
I've had a lot of wisdom and life experience and I'm happy to weigh
in on your love life. So let me open up the dms and see
when I got here. H Oh, here's a good one. Dear Doctor
Wendy. I am no contact with my ex. Should I go off the
grid, no social media, change my gym and possibly work. I just
don't want him knowing anything about me anymore. All right, let's stop for
a minute and consider what you're saying. I need to know why. Why
do you not want him to know anything about you anymore? Are you in
danger? Is he somebody who threatened you or hurt you in some way?
Are you hiding to protect yourself? Is this a survival strategy for your physical
safety? If that is so, then sure, go off the grid.
If it's about being emotionally reminded of somebody, though, hey, you're going
to have to deal with it, Okay. I do believe that you should
unfollow, unfriend and all that, because you don't want to hurt yourself by
being exposed to his posts. Now, changing your gym, I would not
change your gym. I would change your gym time because you'll see a whole
new faces that you want to see. Anyway, don't change your work.
You're doing a lot there for somebody. I don't know what bad happened that
you would even consider that. Unless he works with you and you see him
every day all day long, then I might consider I don't know, but
the fact that you've gone no contact, which I do recommend for most people,
because what happens when you stay in touch immediately after the breakup is you
get reminded a lot of them, and you get triggered a lot by them,
and you see their posts, and it actually makes the breakup longer and
more painful. So research shows going no contact for at least a year is
probably a good idea. On the other hand, at a certain point,
you got to live your life and be out there in the world. Now,
if the person is going to violate your boundaries and be a bit of
a stalker, that's a whole different ballgame. But completely closing down your social
media because there's one human out there who you just don't want to be reminded
of and don't want them to know about your life just because why are you
embarrassed of your wonderful life? I don't know. Ask yourself if you're doing
it for safety. If not, just unfriend him, but don't change so
much in your life. Dear doctor Wendy, As a former model, do
more attractive women get treated better in committed relationships? Are models more likely to
be gifted flowers and bags? Wow? No? No? More likely?
No, less likely? Okay, So here's the thing. Everybody has a
mate status and everybody finds somebody at their level. Everybody dreams, people of
all genders, of having somebody out of their league of a higher status.
So you're assuming here that if a woman is physically attractive, then she is
automatically of a higher status than her male mate. Unfortunately, male status is
often judged differently. Sometimes it's on looks, but sometimes it's on income,
sometimes it's on position in life. Right, And so the question is our
models, do they get more gifts and the handbags if they date a shorter,
uglier guy, Sure, because he's working to keeper. That's called mate
guarding, by the way. We have to guard our mates so they don't
leave. But they're also absolutely beautiful, attractive women who are emotionally abused all
the time, because one technique that men use to control women is to make
them feel bad about themselves. They use emotional abuse, they become bullies.
They tell them you cann't get better out there, or you're not that good
looking, and they mess with their heads. It's a trick, it's a
way to make guard. It's not healthy and it's not right. But to
make an assumption that just because somebody is physically attractive that they will have healthier
relationships or that they will be treated better is a crazy idea, because the
truth is everybody it's a difficult time with relationships. All right, Dear doctor
Wendy, I get the silent treatment. Whenever my girl and I have a
disagreement. How can I inform her that she's emotionally abusing me without making her
feel bad? Ooh, we go to breakdown a few things here. Let's
start out with your reference to silent treatment. Yes, I've said it on
my show. It's in all the research. Doctors Gootman at the University of
Washington, Julie and John have done enough studies to show that dismissing somebody and
giving them the silent treatment is probably the worst conflict resolution style that you can
ever do. In fact, I always say the person who's being ignored,
the person who's being dismissed. Eventually we'll find somebody who will listen, and
that's a lover or a lawyer. Okay, So silent treatment not a good
idea, you know that. But then to say, oh, well,
she's how do I tell her she's emotionally abusing me? She's not. You're
emotionally abusing yourself by tolerating the behavior. She's not doing it deliberately to hurt
you. These are the conflict resolution style that she learned growing up. It's
just what she knows. So to stop abusing yourself, you might find a
way to say this is a boundary for me. We're not going to do
it this way anymore. And here will be the consequence if you try this
on me again. I'll get to that in a minute, because your next
question is how do I tell her without making her feel bad? Oh?
I'm sorry. So you're responsible for all her feelings. She's like a little
puppet for you, and you can make her happy, you can make her
sad, you can make her mad. We can't make anybody feel anything.
We just present who we are and we talk to them about our feelings and
if they have a reaction to our feelings, feelings are different than tone of
voice and behavior. I'm just saying, if they have a reaction to our
expression of truth, of our truth, then maybe you've given them the gift
of pain that they needed to feel and experience. I don't mean raising your
voice. I don't mean hitting them, I don't mean bullying them. I
mean just saying it's okay to say. So here's what I think you should
say. The next time you have a conflict and she gives you the silent
treatment. You see people giving you the silent treatment are still listening. That's
the cool thing. You can still talk to them. So you can say,
while she's locked herself in her room or her bathroom, or just busy
doing the dishes and ignoring you or whatever, working out whatever, you're just
going to say, I see what you're doing. What you're doing is what
I've felt before, which is giving me the silent treatment. Because it sounds
like you don't want to have this discussion. However, I want to talk
about this. So I'm going to give you a couple hours to cool down
and then come back to me and talk about it. And if you are
unable to do that, then I'm going to suggest that we see therapy,
a therapist to have better conflict resolution style. And if you can't do that,
then I'm going to have to leave. It's as simple as that.
You just say, I can't keep hurting myself by being around this. It's
about you and your behavior and your reaction. She's not emotionally abusing you,
and you're not making her feel bad. Remember that. Okay, well we
come back. I'm going to head back to the social media and the dms.
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Okay, dear doctor Wendy says this listener. I am from Nigeria. Oh
you must find me on line. And I've been dating a guy in LA
when I flew back to see him this time, so that tells me you've
flown back and you've seen him before. It was to spend three months with
him. Since I work remotely. Oh cool, bring your computer, bring
your job, see your guy. However, I caught him with another woman
coming out of his house. I went out hiking alone, and when I
got back to his place, I saw her and I left immediately and got
a hotel. I can't afford a hotel for three months, and I can't
afford to change my flight. I'm completely devastated. My trust is broken.
What do I do? Okay, we need to stop right here, because
you need a whole bunch more information. You're visiting somebody in another country who
you don't know. Well. You probably haven't met every one of his friends,
his sisters, his coworkers, his housekeeper. I don't know. You
don't know who this woman is, and why should he be guilty just because
you saw someone leaving his house. Now, I know you could confront him
and he could tell you eyes, but you'll pick up lots of other information
in the conversation. And I also wonder why you reacted so strongly to run
away immediately and not stay and investigate. You see, the way that relationships
grow closer is through the bumps. It's when these little ruptures happen that people
can get together or not. But you fantasizing and imagining that he's having an
affair with another woman while you're sitting at a hotel worried about your money.
Is not going to solve anything. So I would like you to pick up
the phone right now and call him and say, hey, here's why I
ran. I'm not angry, I'm scared, and could you tell me more
about what's happening. I was hoping we're monogamous? Am I wrong in this?
Can you help me understand what's happening. That's all you need to do.
You need to be an investigator and get way more information. All right,
Dear doctor, Wendy H. Says this other listener. I have had
bad luck in relationships, and I know you are happily engaged. It's pretty
funny. Happily engaged. It sounds like happily married. Like you're supposed to
be happy all the time. To clarify that anyway, this person says,
I know you are happily engaged and about to be married. Does your love
feel easy or more like work? How often do you fight with each other?
I want to know what healthy love is supposed to feel like. First
of all, my heart goes out to you. It's estimated that about forty
percent of Americans have what's known as a secure attachment style where they can give
and receive love comfortably, and love does feel easy to them. When they
meet a partner that doesn't feel comfortable, they move away quickly until they find
someone that feels like it clicks easier. But for the rest of us,
a good sixty percent of the population, we're either anxious, we're avoidant,
we're disorganized, we're drama queens. We create problems that make things break up.
We fear abandonment. So love does feel like work. But I want
you to know that I spent eighteen years on and off different times in therapy
so that I could learn the skills of what healthy communication and healthy love is.
And I highly suggest if you're still questioning what feels right, then you
haven't learned all the skills. And part of the skill is choosing a better
partner who is going to be more compatible with you and not getting addicted to
relationships that are painful. So your first question, does love feel easy or
more like work? I will tell you that until this relationship, every relationship
I had in my life felt like work. I was always second guessing them,
I was always psyched analyzing them. They were roller coasters of excitement,
and then followed by the lows and the fear of abandonment and anger from me.
I definitely had kind of an anxious, ambivalent attachment style, but because
I changed, and I think part of the change in me was having a
secure attachment with my kids and holding them so close for all those years and
being in that no, I mean, kids don't abandon you. Believe me,
I'm trying to get the last one out. They don't abandon you.
So I would answer that question by saying, love feels easy to me.
Now, that doesn't mean it's happy all the time. How often do we
fight with each other? So we've been together almost four years, and I
would say we have had probably four what I would call fights. And it's
usually because I mean, he's a lay persons. I like to say,
I'm a professional, and so I have this ability to almost act like a
therapist in the relationship kind of and say like, well, what was your
intention when you said that, because I'll tell you my experience is and what
I'm feeling is this. However, there were a few other times where I
had a little bit of tequila, or I didn't have enough sleep, or
he said something that kind of really triggered me, and then you know,
I'm fighting like a lay person. So yeah, it's not that often,
which is great, and the best news is that we're both very skilled in
making good repair. Dear doctor Wendy, all my friends are engaged, married
or live in girlfriends. I've always enjoyed being single, but now it's starting
to feel like I am in the wrong for not having a partner. It's
always getting harder to connect with these women who are partnered. I don't want
to lose my friends, but I also don't want to get a partner just
to fit in. What do I do? Fascinating? Okay, so there's
this new research out that shows that nearly fifty percent of single Americans say they're
totally happy being single, and they don't They do not need a romantic relationship
hardly. It is because in the past people needed relationships for different reasons.
They needed it for economic survival, they needed it to raise children, et
cetera. So, if you can pay your own bills, and if you're
happy to have relationships, that aren't you deeply connected and committed and maybe they
may involve sex but less romance, or maybe you're just happy to be alone
with friends and family. It's entirely up to you. But what you're running
up against is the fact that our society is still organizing itself around couplehood.
I'm not going to lie to you. For my eighteen years as a single
mother, I was very lonely, especially on Sundays when all my mom friends
would go off with their husbands and family. It was like family day and
I had nobody to call. My couple friends didn't invite me out with other
couples. I was really sort of an outcast socially. So I understand,
and you're feeling right that don't you want to keep your friends, You want
to stay connected with the social group, but you also don't want a romantic
relationship. The other thing is a lot of those friends try to rush to
fix you up constantly. I know that feeling too, So I think you
need to have conversations with your friends about what you're experiencing and what you're looking
for in your friendships with them, so that you can always have them as
social support. I'm sensing from what you said that you're not a loner and
you don't like to be isolated. Most humans do not like that. You
want to keep the social support, but you don't necessarily want a romantic relationship,
and that is okay. Hey, when we come back, have you
noticed how our culture seems to be full of bullies. Sometimes the bullies are
on a pulpit called social media. Sometimes they're in our office, or in
our church, or in our family. Somehow it's okay for adults to bully
other adults, to be hostile, to be angry, to raise their voice.
I don't know what happened to manners, but bullies seem to be everywhere.
When we come back, I have a special guest, an author who's
what both a therapist, an attorney, and a mediator, who wrote a
book called Our New World of Adult Bullies, How to Spot Them and How
to Stop Them. You're listening to the Doctor Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM
six forty. We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. You're listening to Doctor
Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI AM six forty. Welcome back to the Doctor
Wendy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty, Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio App.
I have a very special guest for us this week, author Bill Eddie.
I'd like to call him just an author, but he's got a bunch
of other stuff going on in his life. He's an attorney, he's a
therapist, he's a mediator. And get this, imagine having this title Chief
Innovation Officer of the High Conflict Institute. Well, when I read that,
Isa, we need to get him on the doctor Wendywell show, Hi Bill
Eddie, how are you? I'm great, Thanks so much for having me
on. And you are in San Diego? Are you that's right? Guys?
Yes, I am so. I love very minute. I love to
talk to people that are about that are therapist, your licensed clinical social worker,
and also attorneys because you can shed such a light on both how the
law and human behavior interact with each other. But before we get there,
what is the High Conflict Institute. Well, the High Conflict Institute was founded
with myself in two thousand and eight and a woman who worked with the Arizona
court system, and we were both heavily involved with family law and we wanted
to train family lawyers, mediators, judges and therapists that worked on cases,
especially the high conflict cases, the high conflict divorce and custody. Just all
the messy stuff and how to try to calm it down. So we started
that now sixteen years ago and we're going strong. We're busy as ever.
Sad to say, there's a lot of high conflict in the world and a
lot of people want help with it, and so you work as mediators in
helping people through their transition to divorce. Well, what we actually do is
training. So I stopped mediation, I stopped practice representing clients and family court.
I stopped doing family counseling to do basically training and consultation. So that's
what my focus is now and my business partner, Megan also we both train
really actually worldwide at this point, and not just law but human resources,
government agencies. The need for tips and innovation in how to deal with high
conflict people just keeps growing. That's what we do. We're an education organization.
And you know, family lawyers, bless their hearts, they have such
a hard job. Are very well schooled in the law, as are the
judges that work in the family court system. But as you know, dealing
with high conflict when it comes to our most intimate relationships and separation, you
need a basic knowledge of psychology and attachment theory to understand, like I have
this theory, tell me if I'm right that a lot of people with an
anxious attachment style, who have a lot of trouble with separation and fear abandonment,
use the court system to perpetuate their divorce and drag it on for years
because they can't deal with the separation. Have you seen that? Absolutely right?
Absolutely right? And that's part of it. We also see people who
just have to be superior to somebody, so they go to court to be
superior to somebody or somebody who has to dominate others, and they see the
court system as the way to do that. So part of its fear of
abandonment, but part of it's those two other reasons too. The court system.
I think of the court system as a playground for people with personality problems,
isn't that true? People with personality disorders are the quickest to get a
lawyer and take it to court because they're trying to make sense of these situations
themselves in their own heads, and so having somebody decide for them helps them
make sense of, you know, the chaos inside their own perceptions. Right,
Go ahead, Yeah, Well, I was just going to say.
I think that they don't just want to make sense of it. They already
have made sense of it in their own mind, and they want somebody in
a position of authority to dictate to the other party how it's going to be.
So it's really it's really a way to get their way. It's not
so much a question as a demand. It's like, you know, your
honor, you need to tell her that she's an idiot, or you need
to tell him that he's out of control. And so what we see is
the people with personality disorders think they have all the answers, and they use
the court to get the judge to impose their answers onto others. Yeah,
they want someone to validate what they're experiencing. You know, you mentioned something
when people are in conflict. You mentioned that some people want to be superior,
they want to be the winner. And even in long term marriages that
are not going through a divorce, this is something that we see a lot
when it comes to conflict. And I have always said that it is good
conflict if the relationship wins, not one side or the other. Do you
agree, excellent? Oh, absolutely, And that's part of the theme of
my book is when when relationships are the happiest and the most successful. So
if the relationship wins, both going to win, absolutely right, And sometimes
that may mean taking a hit and just saying you're sorry and moving on and
keeping the rapport in the relationship. You mentioned your book, I want to
make sure we talk about it. Bill Eddie has written a book called Our
New World of Adult Bullies, How to Spot Them and How to Stop Them.
Well, this is a pretty timely time for this book to come out
because I think adult bullies are so prevalent in our society right now. Why
did you decide to write this book? Well, I actually decided to write
it starting at the end of twenty twenty when the pandemic was going going strong
and there was so much kind of anger in the world and people bullying each
other at the store if they went to the store. You know, different
points of view about vaccines, about mass about the pandemic. But I also
because I was pretty much grounded. I do a lot of traveling and speaking,
and I was grounded for the first year of the pandemic, so I
have a lot of time to really think and reflect and kind of put together.
I'm seeing the same patterns of behavior and the families I work with in
the workplace, disputes I work with, in the legal cases I work with,
and I really wanted to connect the dots for people so they know you're
going to end up with a bully in your life sooner rather than later,
and you need to be warned. Yes, yes, and that's what I
believe now. It didn't used to be the case, but now that's the
case, and I wanted people to be warned but also know that there's hope
and ways to deal with this. So when we come back, we have
to go to a break right now, Bill, When we come back,
I want to talk specifically about some tools and skills that we all can use
when we are faced with bullies, whether it's in our families, in our
workplace, or even online. So stay with me. You are listening to
the Doctor Indy Walls Show on KFI AM six forty were live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. The book is Our New World of Adult Bullies, How to
Spot Them, How to Stop Them. The author Bill Eddie, will be
back after this. You're listening to Doctor Wendy Walsh on demand from KFI AM
six forty Welcome back to the Doctor Indy Wall Show on k I AM six
forty the Home Stretch. I'm always here for you every Sunday from seven to
nine pm. Our guest Bill Getti is the author of our New World of
Adult Bullies, How to Spot Them, How to Stop Them Now. You
had said before the break, Bill that at some point everybody is going to
be faced with a bully. Where do we find these bullies? Mostly?
Where do they crop up in our lives? And that's the surprising thing.
It could be anywhere. Could be on an airplane, could be on a
sidewalk, could be at a school meeting, could be in your workplace,
could be someone that comes to your house, someone that does so work for
you, someone in a volunteer group you're involved with, someone in your church.
What we're finding is they can pop up anywhere because it's personality based rather
than location occupation. It's not that predictable, which is why I want people
to know recognize these patterns of behavior because they may pop up anywhere. At
baseball games, I was just talking with somebody, you know, the kids
and the team, and there's this parent that's screaming bloody murder at the kid
and the coach, so it could be anywhere. So how do you define
a bully and what are the most common patterns of behavior. Well, the
definition I use I've been working with high conflict personalities in the legal field for
much of the last forty years and family therapy and mediation. So we define
high conflict personalities as number one, a preoccupation with blaming others and not taking
responsibility, as a lot of all or nothing thinking it's my way or the
highway free is unmanaged emotions that really can take over for it is extreme behavior,
sometimes doing things that ninety percent of people would never do. So that's
high conflict personalities. Now, bullies are the most high conflict personalities. They
add two things to this. One is a drive to dominate others, to
create when lose relationships where they're in charge, et cetera. But the other
is sometimes to destroy others, to destroy your reputation or we see people physically
a saw I mean talk about domestic violence that some people don't survive that.
So it's a drive to dominate or destroy is the primary ways I define bullies.
You mentioned all the places we might run into them, which is everywhere
in our lives. I've noticed in the last few years with cancel culture,
the number of online trolls, people who are seemingly in their real life world,
rational calm people go a little nutty online sometimes and don't think about the
consequences of those words. Why is this happening? Yeah, so online you
really miss about ninety percent of communication. It's a very small part. There's
all the nonverbals you miss. And what I believe is when you're talking with
somebody, let's say, face to face or a few feet away, you're
not going to be talking like that because they're going to slap you, or
they're going to storm out of the room, or something's going to go wrong.
But the other thing is you feel better when you're around somebody usually,
and so somebody's listening to you, you're going to talk reasonably. You're not
going to be screaming at them. But online all those kind of automatic filters,
body language, tone of voice stuff evaporates. So I've been involved with
organizations where when they talk on you know, do email conversations, people start
getting nasty. We have a phone call, they calm down, We get
on Zoom, everyone's nice, we get together and one's happy to see each
other. So online really screens out a lot of positive interaction, and I
think that's why people feel safe to vent. But there's a second thing.
A second thing. I read some research which I put into my book that
some people looked at online hostility, basically bullying online, and what they found
is it isn't everybody. That there's a small percent of people who actually tend
to be hostile in person, but they're louder online. They feel safer online
to really make a lot of noise, to say extreme things, and so
reasonable people tend to get out of the conversations faster. And so you see
is these online conversations that deteriorate into a lot of negativity. But it's this
smaller group of people that are promoting the negativity, not everybody. So it's
a small group doing a lot of posts exactly. Yeah, And what's interesting
online is they always try to tell you everything's terrible, and that hooks our
emotions and they're telling you and that's one of the biggest things to be suspicious
warning sign when someone tells you there's a crisis heads up, especially online,
they want something from you. So that's one of the first warning signs.
So are there certain kind of personality types who are more vulnerable to being bullied
by others as adults. Well, I've struggled with looking at that, And
what I think is that bullies try out bullying everybody, but people who are
more passive, not very assertive, maybe become more of a target because the
bully can get away with that, And so a more passive personality may be
more at risk, but I think everybody's at risk at the start because they
try it out on everybody, on everybody. And may I have a certain
rule of thumb that I have learned through my many, many decades of being
a human being, and that is when someone one of the things I've learned
is I used to ignore bullying behavior until it escalated, and then it was
too late to exert my boundaries because I had set up a system where my
silence was perceived as permission. So I'm a big believer in, very early
on being clear about boundaries so that most bullies walk away when they're dealing with
someone who's hard to deal with from the beginning exactly. And that's one of
the strong things I tried to say in the book is you need to hm
tervene, sooner and firmer and if necessary gets help that when you let it
go, You're absolutely right, that reinforces them. They go, oh,
I've got somebody here. I can trap them. They're going to have to
just listen to doing it my way, and that's not true. Being assertive
is the solution, not being aggressive, where you become not aggressive. I
always in the metaphor I have is I dig my heels in. I don't
step forward. I dig my heels in so they can't push goods me.
So we know online bullies who are people who are hostile online, we can
just block them, and I hope everybody knows how to use that block button
and how to just get rid of people and report them. But in the
real world, what is your best advice? We only have a little bit
of time left. Your best advice for dealing with an adult bully, Well,
the first is to tell yourself it's not about you, it's about ben.
No one deserves this. The second is, if it's safe to speak
up and say, hey, you can't talk to me this way, you
can't treat me this way, you can't do this around me. Third would
be to talk to somebody else get some help. Fourth would be have bystanders
chime in and say, hey that's enough, buddy, Hey that's enough.
And then setting limits whatever they are organizationally or personally, like ending a conversation.
But the next thing is imposing consequences. If bullies know there's a consequence,
then they're going to steer clearer of you. Right. They test your
words. I always say, like a two year old will say to their
mom, I want to have a cookie before dinner, and you'll say no,
no, no, don't go near that cookie jar. And they don't
pay attention to your words. They need to see they need to reach for
the cookie jar and lift up the lid for you to go no, I
said no, and put your hand on it and put it up above the
fridge. And so the bullies will do the same thing. They will test
you, and they then they want to find it if your words really have
meaning, and they're looking for a behavioral consequence exactly. And that's what people
have to learn to do. We all, I think, have to learn
to be more assertive about setting limits and having consequences, and then I think
some of the bullying behavior we're seeing will get ratcheted back. But I think
this is the message everyone needs to learn. We all need to do this.
Oh Bill, I've been talking about boundaries for decades here. Thank you
so much for being with us. The book is called Our New World of
Adult Bullies, How to Spot Them and How to Stop Them. It goes
on sale next week and you can find it, I'm sure anywhere online and
in bookstores. Bill Eddie, thank you so much for being with us.
Thank you, and that brings the Doctor Wendy Wall Show to a close.
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