WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.160 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that I've been on for 2 00:00:02.240 --> 00:00:05.120 most of my life. Ever since I was a kid, I've heard tales 3 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:09.199 of bigfoot and wild men while spending time with my friends and family. As 4 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:12.759 I grew older and read more about the paranormal, my interest in encryptids and 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:17.039 other things strange only deepened. That's why I'm so excited to share with you 6 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:22.960 what I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The Untold Radio Network 7 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.480 is a live streaming podcast network that airs a new show every day across all 8 00:00:27.519 --> 00:00:31.839 podcast platforms, YouTube, and more. 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Yes, yes, I know 18 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:36.840 aka Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on sasquatch Otis. Hey there 19 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:40.760 and welcome back to Sasquatchdust. Thank you so much for being with us for 20 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.040 the show. It is Friday. I hope you guys have had a great 21 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.480 week. We have an amazing guest lined up for you. But as always, 22 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.480 I want to start the show by inviting you. If you've had any 23 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.079 counter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email and 24 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:55.920 get me at Brian at Pairentomoworldproductions dot com. Get head over to the website, 25 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:59.359 check out the blog, become a member there and help support the show. 26 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:02.480 I got to sit down actually a couple of months ago now and talk 27 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:08.400 to Bob from Ohio, and he had some really interesting experiences with what he 28 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:14.520 believes to be the Ohio Grassman or Sasquatch out in and around the Akron, 29 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:19.240 Ohio area, and he mentions during this interview that he was featured in a 30 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:25.080 photograph on Monsterquest on their Ohio Grassman episode. I actually am using a couple 31 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:30.439 of minutes of audio from that video that's over on YouTube. If you want 32 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.800 to see the photographs and see the video in its entirety, head over to 33 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.120 the blog Paranormalworldproductions dot com. Check out the sasquatch Otyasee blog at the top 34 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:42.439 of the page, and you can see those photographs and the entire video on 35 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:46.439 the Ohio Grassman. As you listen to this, I am either in or 36 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:51.560 on my way to Okalla, Florida for the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference on Saturday. 37 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:53.879 We've got the VIP dinner tonight, so I hope to see a ton 38 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.719 of you guys there. If not, I would love to see you guys. 39 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.560 On Saturday. I will be on stage at ten o'clock in the morning 40 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:02.879 doing the skunk Ape round table from ten to eleven, and then I will 41 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:07.039 be in my booth selling books and I'd love to see you guys. So 42 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:09.479 if you're in the area or you're attending the conference, make sure you stop 43 00:03:09.520 --> 00:03:13.560 by and see me right there on speaker row. If you can't make it 44 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.080 to Florida and the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference and you would like a copy of 45 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:20.599 my book, you can pick up an autograph copy right there on our website. 46 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:23.639 Just go to the landing page Panormalworldproductions dot Com, click the store button 47 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.280 and you'll see the book right there. But enough of that, I know 48 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:29.599 you guys are ready to get into it. Bob's on the line, He's 49 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.120 ready to go. All that's left for you to do is sit back, 50 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:53.919 relax, and enjoy the show. I want to welcome my guest to the 51 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:55.560 show. It is Bob from Ohio. Welcome to the show. Thank you 52 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.039 man, pleasure to be here. I'm glad to have you. So let's 53 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:00.439 get right into it. Let's talk at this big foot thing. What got 54 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:04.039 you interested in the subject to begin with? That's a funny story. I've 55 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:09.599 seen the in Search of the leonardinmore of the Patty film, and at that 56 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:14.759 time I thought I was a monster out west, and I spent a lot 57 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:20.439 of time basically every summer at my grandfather's house. My uncle and my dad 58 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:25.199 would tell me stories about the Ohio Grassman. Now I never heard the herd 59 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:29.000 before they, my opinion, coined it. I found out years later it 60 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:31.079 was eighteen hundreds when it was coined. But they would say, you got 61 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:33.519 to be careful when you get on the canal. Now this is right along 62 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:41.120 the Ohio Theory Canal and Akron I honestly, Dad and my uncle are telling 63 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.519 the stories to keep us from going down there screwing around all that stuff. 64 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.000 But my uncle would take us down there and me and my cousin would teach 65 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.879 us how to build lean two's, and from about the age of nine, 66 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:57.639 I would spend weekends down the canal camping and fishing. Was a twenty even 67 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.920 a walk to my grandfather's house, but we would literally be down there all 68 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.519 weekend. I was about twelve years old, and me and my cousin were 69 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:09.279 down there and they had a I don't know if you call it a landfill 70 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.360 or what, but a bunch of concrete that was like torn up from a 71 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:16.519 street thrown in this big field and it made natural caverns and capes. We 72 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.959 were down our goop and off doing things that kids do, and come across 73 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.519 this footprint. Now, mind you, this is before cell phones, before 74 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:29.439 internet, we'd have cameras on us. And what struck me as weird. 75 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.160 It was barefoot, it was in the mud, and it was about seven 76 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:35.040 inches deep in the ground. Now it was soft mud, I get it. 77 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:40.279 So we went and got my uncle, and my uncle come down, 78 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:43.600 looked at it, put his boot next to it, and stepped it. 79 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:46.360 And he might have went in maybe half the distance half the depth of this 80 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:51.480 track, and the track was probably three to four inches bigger than his boot. 81 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.160 So he looked us and said, you guys be careful and took us 82 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.399 back to the house. So he got on the phone and called my dad 83 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.279 that evening. My dad came over, had another uncle that was there, 84 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.639 and we all went down the canal. My younger brother was with us, 85 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:08.439 so there was three kids and three adults. Now we're just down there walking 86 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:13.879 around, goofing off. We didn't have flashlights, so we're down there and 87 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:16.319 we put up and at this point I'm thinking, okay, here's where the 88 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.000 parents and the uncle's going to try to scareish. That was our mindset, 89 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:25.160 and we're off the trail a little bit, hunkered down and there. My 90 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:30.439 grandfather's neighbor had four or five dogs and they would follow us down there constantly. 91 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:32.720 The dog's running through the weeds. We can hear them running and barking, 92 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.319 and don't think much of it. All of a sudden, the dog 93 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:43.279 stops, and the woods went eery quiet to where I'm getting goosebumps now. 94 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:47.680 But just like a choke White, added Kurt. We heard the dog ruffling 95 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:54.120 around, and I shit you not. We've seen a large hairy arms swing 96 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:59.600 around and wap this dog across the hindcore. This dog did three spins in 97 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:03.519 the air and bowld it. Dog didn't go home. Never seen that dog 98 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:08.959 again. It just it was gone. So we're all sitting there and the 99 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:13.720 layout of this place is right along the Ohio Erie Canal. You come down 100 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:17.839 my grandfather streeted dead ends into the woods, but there's a service road, 101 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.959 I guess you would call it. And it had those great big white rocks 102 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:26.240 that they would throw down on dirt roads, and it would fork off. 103 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.759 If you went to the south, that would take you further along the canal, 104 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.399 if you went to the north, that would take you to the main 105 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:38.800 road, and if you went straight, you hit the canal. So it's 106 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:44.040 like a fork. So we're hunkered down there and can't find my one uncle, 107 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.120 so my dad my other uncle or hollering form and holler in form, 108 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:51.720 and they tell us to stay here. Now here's where I'm thinking it's gonna 109 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:57.240 go nuts. Me, my cousin, and my younger brother stand right at 110 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:01.360 the fork in this road. Now, for some god, all for reason, 111 00:08:01.439 --> 00:08:03.920 we had this idea. We're going to pick up these rocks and we're 112 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:09.319 going to stand back to back and whenever one comes at us, we're gonna 113 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:13.000 start lighting them up with these rocks. At this point, we're thinking it's 114 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:16.959 going to be my dad or my uncle trying to scare us. So my 115 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:22.920 brother is facing west, I am facing north, and my cousin's facing east. 116 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:28.759 So we're sitting there and this thing come across the road, lightly hunched 117 00:08:28.759 --> 00:08:33.039 over. One arm was almost dragging the ground. It was hunched over that 118 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.679 much. My brother drops his rocks and we got to be fifteen feet from 119 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:43.399 it, and we started throwing these rocks at this thing. It stood literally 120 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:46.440 on the edge of the path in the woods, and we're seeing these rocks 121 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:52.240 hit this thing and bounce off. Now mind, you were twelve thirteen years 122 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:58.840 old. We're not adults. We're not throwing rocks at deadly forest. It's 123 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.279 gonna kill anything. If it's our parents or our uncle, they're gonna make 124 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:07.840 a noise. This thing stood there, grunted and stepped into the woods. 125 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:11.559 That was the end. We bowlted from there straight to the main road. 126 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:16.600 We're screaming for our parents. My dad comes up to where we can see 127 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.519 him, and he tells us to walk down the main road to go back 128 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.799 to my grandfather's ever going to go look for my other uncle. So we 129 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.320 get home or we're running down the road we're screaming for my grandfather where he 130 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.799 grabs u twelve gags at that time and steps out on the front porch, 131 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.240 thinking something's going on, and we can hear my dad and my uncle hollering 132 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.279 from the woods. It's just an eerie feeling to hear your dad, who 133 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:43.080 you think is God, screaming at the top of his lungs like something is 134 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:48.759 going wrong. So they finally make it back to us without my uncle, 135 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:54.639 and my dad's shirt is shredded, his chest is red, not bleeding, 136 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.759 but red, and he says he got shoved aside. So they grab guns 137 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.960 and go look for my uncle. Nicholas will say they don't find him. 138 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.320 We find out the next day my uncle took that split it the fork at 139 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.960 the row, went to the main road and went home. Didn't tell anybody, 140 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:15.320 but from that moment on all the stories that I was told growing up 141 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:20.080 clicked. It just It was probably a year and a half before I'd even 142 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:24.519 go down there and fish again. But every time we go back there between 143 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.480 the months of May and August, something would happen, whether it be rocks 144 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:35.039 being thrown at us, more like a fealing, you would get I wanted 145 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.840 the while. You'd hear grunts, you would hear things cracking in the woods. 146 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.759 My dad and uncle went down there about two years later with us. 147 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.159 We were going down there doing catfishing. If you follow the canal around at 148 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:52.279 Forksaw and if you stay to the left, there's a we called it the 149 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:54.759 footbridge. It was just a big drainage pipe with a grated plank on it 150 00:10:54.799 --> 00:11:01.039 that you could walk across the canal. We were down there and something was 151 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.519 probably one hundred yards away from us in the woods snapping I don't want to 152 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:09.679 say sticks, but sound like tree snapping. It had that loud, cracking 153 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:16.679 echo. We literally walked two miles to another main road and walked a country 154 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.000 mile around the block to go home. We wouldn't go back through the woods. 155 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.759 My dad and uncle were okay with it, but no Me and my 156 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.080 cousin a like, no, we've been through this, We're not doing this 157 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.039 again. But it just the stories I heard, and I had another uncle 158 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.360 deny it, and about five years ago he admitted to it, which just 159 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:41.720 led the credibility of while all these stories, you know. But since then 160 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:46.600 they put in a toepath that goes along that, and they have flooded all 161 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.159 that. The picture from Monster Quest is dead center in a field, and 162 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.879 that's now ball foot underwater. They have opened up the old pump wells from 163 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:01.200 the fire. Some point it's a Now there's nothing but a lake with trees 164 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.000 are growing out of it. I got a couple of friends of mine that 165 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.840 are in law enforcement for the city. I don't know if I should mention 166 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:11.360 names or not, but while they're doing the construction, they would hire private 167 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:16.879 securities sit down there with their construction equipment and they were getting run off. 168 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:24.200 Bulldozers and earth movers were being pulled off their tracks. So they shut down 169 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.399 that stretch of the towpath for about two years, flooded that, and then 170 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:33.080 they came back in the following summer and that towpath was up in four dhs, 171 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:35.720 you know. And I still think it's around there. I literally just 172 00:12:35.720 --> 00:12:39.399 bought a house not too far from there, and I got night vision goggles. 173 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.080 Now I'm like, I'm going down there. I may stay close to 174 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.919 the main road, but I'm going down there. Let's go back to what 175 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.440 you guys saw and we're throwing rocks out on the road. Can you talk 176 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.120 about what this thing looked like. Give us an estimation as best you can 177 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:56.679 on size, weight, height, and description of this thing. I'm fairly 178 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:01.519 short, I'm like five six. My uncle's right around six foot. This 179 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.720 thing had to be at least two heads taller than him, the girth of 180 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:07.840 it. And the weirdest thing was when this thing went across the road, 181 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.600 I could see i want to call hair, not fur, but hair all 182 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.639 over its body. You could see it through the moonlight, but it was 183 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.639 plain as day. The head never moved when it rang when it would have 184 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:24.039 strode across the path there. Now the path is basically a service road, 185 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:28.120 so it's eight nine feet across. This thing made it across in about two 186 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:33.440 and a half steps, and the head wasn't balancing. If you're stretching to 187 00:13:33.440 --> 00:13:37.559 make a stride, how you would dip down. That never moved and when 188 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:41.919 the first rock hit it, I think it was my cousin that threw that 189 00:13:41.960 --> 00:13:48.320 one. It stood up and then turned its hip and then the head followed 190 00:13:48.960 --> 00:13:52.720 and it just squared up on us. And literally, I don't know what 191 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:56.759 we were thinking, why we kept throwing rocks, but it never made an 192 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:01.000 aggressive move toward us. Honestly, I tell everyone, if it wanted to 193 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:05.799 get us, I would That's all there is to that. But the eyes 194 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.960 on this thing, now, I know if you've talked about the glowing or 195 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:11.720 the eye shine. All we had was moonlight, so I couldn't see no 196 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:18.000 glowing or ambient color coming from it. But I could see the whites from 197 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:22.559 it because like its eyes opened, that had to be this. And it 198 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:26.759 just stood there and looked at us and then stepped off into the wood. 199 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:31.360 And I think when it stepped off, that's when real fear hicked me. 200 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:33.480 And I'm like, where do we go? What do we do? What? 201 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.799 Again? Know? It just it was fight or flight, and there's 202 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:41.200 no fighting at that point. We were three kids that were probably running it 203 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.879 faster and an adult would go we were gone, Yeah, I've been there 204 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.799 before, man, When I was twelve. The experience I had that. 205 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.200 I believe I was paced out of the woods by one of these things. 206 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:54.240 I was assholes and elbows for about eight hundred yards. I would have probably 207 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.679 set some sort of Olympic records run underway. I was frozen in fear, 208 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.799 and then once in the flight part of it kicked in, I was gone 209 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.960 and I never wanted to go back in the woods. It took me a 210 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.320 while to get back out in the woods. Very much like you said, 211 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:09.200 it was one of those situations where I didn't want to run into anything again, 212 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.919 and I was afraid it was going to escalate after that point, and 213 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:16.519 I was actually going to see this thing because I never saw anything and I 214 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.799 didn't want it to escalate. Yeah, just well see the stories that some 215 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.080 of the stories my dad had told me and my uncle who's now passed away. 216 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:28.919 The first people to see it was my uncle Richard and my uncle Tracy. 217 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.600 Now my uncle Tracy's the one who's been denying it up until five years 218 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:37.039 ago. Him denying it is what put a lot of okay nothing going on. 219 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.840 Ere trace would tell the same story. But the first time they saw 220 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.679 it was at that footbridge I was telling you about. They were fishing off 221 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:50.240 the footbridge and my uncle Richard was backing up and this thing stood up beside 222 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.240 the footbridge and was taller than my uncle now the drainage by. As a 223 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:58.600 twelve year old, I literally had to put my hands on it and pull 224 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.399 myself up. You couldn't just step up on it, so it had to 225 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.240 be four four and a half foot high. But this thing stood up and 226 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.840 it was probably four feet from My uncle and Tray seen it and they started 227 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:15.320 running, and I almost think the thing was playing with the more than anything. 228 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.480 I almost think we were its amusement, because it would get out in 229 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.679 front of my uncles and pop up, and they'd run the other way and 230 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.759 it'd get out in front of them and pop up. I asked my uncle, 231 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.159 I'm like, why didn't you just one to the other side, but 232 00:16:29.200 --> 00:16:32.879 it's twenty five feet when to the other side, and he goes It's almost 233 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.200 like that's what it wanted us to do, And I'm like, okay, 234 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.279 if it makes sense. Who am I to question, especially after that night. 235 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:44.159 But the same thing with my dad and uncle when they seen it, 236 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:48.759 it started by pacing them out and then showed itself, so they turned around. 237 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.360 Ray back the other way. They literally for an hour was running back 238 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:53.600 and forth, which way do we go? The same would come out and 239 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.399 cut them off, but it never made any type of aggressive move toward him, 240 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.679 like we all been back their fishing and got hit with rocks. Honestly, 241 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:07.319 I thought it was just, you know, id he had kids thrown 242 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:11.079 rocks at people. But the more I thought about it, and the more 243 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.440 stuff that happened, I'm like, that's it was playing with us. Let 244 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.920 me go back to talk about the situation where your dad and them go back 245 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:22.720 into the woods looking for your uncle. You hear him screaming, You hear 246 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:26.519 him yelling. Did he get into what happened there? Because you said his 247 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.640 shirt was torn and he had his red chest? Did he talk about what 248 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.960 had happened to them when they were in the woods. The only thing he 249 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:34.920 would tell me. Now, mind you, he might have. We've talked 250 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:37.920 about it a couple times since then, But at that time I almost think 251 00:17:37.960 --> 00:17:41.799 that there was more to the story, but he wasn't going to tell the 252 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:45.319 kid. What he told us was him and my uncle were standing off in 253 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.640 the woods hollering from my other uncle, uncle Henry, and they couldn't get 254 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:56.519 a response, and they heard something coming from their left. Well, they 255 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.759 turned, thinking it was Uncle Henry to go toward it, and Dad said 256 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:03.960 this. Dad and my other uncle who's not to see, said this thing 257 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:11.000 come right between them and just shoved out of the way. My dad was 258 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.440 turning toward it at the time, and when he got strupped, his shirt 259 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.599 got ripped and his chest was all read. All he said is he went 260 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:22.440 about three foot in the air, hit the route. He was just shoved 261 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.960 out of the way, and a thing just beat ass to elbows through the 262 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:30.279 woods. You were going to say something about what you guys had come to 263 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:33.359 the conclusion of or something before I cut you off. Yeah. I used 264 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.240 to tell my friends about this and they're like, you're full of crap. 265 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:37.519 This is the city. It ain't out on the mound. And I'm like, 266 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:41.119 okay, so we take people down there and let's go camping this week 267 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.880 and we'll go find it. Every time we went down there with that mindset, 268 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:51.119 I shit you not, nothing would happen, no eerie sheeeling, the 269 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.400 woods would be chirping, nothing, Okay, it's gone. We go down 270 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:59.480 there next weekend just to camp and fish, and sure enough, it would 271 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.039 happen. We've come to the coclusion. If you're gonna go look for it, 272 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:04.880 don't go beaten through the woods looking for it. Just go out and 273 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:11.240 camp. Be your So every time we went down there, something would happen, 274 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:15.799 like we would find there used to be wild dogs. Now there was 275 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:22.559 a junkyard not too far from there that had junkyard dogs, and we used 276 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.880 to think the wild dogs for the woods were junkyard dogs that got out of 277 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.720 the gates and we would find them literally with their head laying on their back, 278 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.759 just ripped back and their head their neck snapped and their head laying on 279 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:37.559 the back of their shoulders. Once that night happened, when we've seen it, 280 00:19:37.880 --> 00:19:41.880 everything clicked. We have the understanding that these are gentle giants, and 281 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:48.799 they some might be, but they don't like dogs. I've come to that 282 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:53.440 conclusion. They do not like dogs, but I don't think they're malicious. 283 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:56.799 Now, I'm not willing to test my theory. Okay, I'm not willing 284 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.759 to go out and score off with the Bigfoot. No, your woods man, 285 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:06.200 do what you want. But I definitely think that, at least in 286 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:08.640 my case, if it wanted to tear us up, it would have there's 287 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:12.079 no hands down. I think back and man, you were stupid for thort 288 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:17.559 of rocks. That was the stupidest everything could have went bad with that, 289 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:22.440 and I'd be on what's his name's four one one. It's like the thing 290 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:26.799 that got me ticked off about the subjects and I literally just quit talking to 291 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:32.039 people about it is They wrote a newspaper article about it. It was bigfoot 292 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:36.960 in Ohio, and a couple of guys that we took down there for an 293 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.440 investigation said oh, we won't use your names. This won't be published. 294 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.680 They wrote a book about it. They used all our stories, and I'm 295 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.480 like, you know this, And Jody Cooks that want to call us and 296 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:49.720 said, hey, this is what they're doing. I just want to give 297 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:55.039 you a heads up. Literally we took them down there in nineteen ninety five, 298 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:59.680 and the story broke in the Akronbeacon Journal in ninety eight. And this 299 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.400 lady that wrote the story, I did another podcast a couple of years ago, 300 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:07.200 and it just turned me off on the whole subject. And I batted 301 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.240 around a long time about getting a hold of you, letting you know what 302 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:15.720 was going on. She saw that area always flooded they didn't do nothing to 303 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:18.240 flood that. No, my dad lived there from fifty five and it never 304 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:22.920 flooded, so it didn't always flood. They opened those gates to finish the 305 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:26.759 eerie toepath and it drove me crazy, thinking, Okay, if that's how 306 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.279 you're going to treat this subject, no wonder, we're never going to find 307 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.839 anything out. But police officers knew about it. They were down there with 308 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:34.880 us a couple of times. I got it, like I said, I 309 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.480 got a couple of friends are in law enforce when we were fishing and Roscha 310 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.440 getting thrown at us, and you know, they pulled her side arm mount 311 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.920 and put it in a lap. I'm like, you don't want to do 312 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:48.079 that. Just know that nothing good is going to come a doing it. 313 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.400 I don't know what it is. I'm like, if I tell you what 314 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:53.960 it is, you're not going to believe me. And what you pulled out 315 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:56.240 your little mind, Millian, you are ain't going to do a darn thing. 316 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.480 Let's just pack up and go. They know this, he's down. 317 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.519 It just it's been an ongoing thing. So they flooded that entire area. 318 00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:08.160 You mentioned the Monster Quest episode. Let's talk a little bit about that. 319 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.880 How did that come about? What was the scenario around that? And I 320 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:15.839 know that you mentioned something about possible nests that you guys had found while out 321 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:18.440 researching. Can you talk a little bit about that as well. Yeah, 322 00:22:18.519 --> 00:22:25.160 we used to find these big and I do mean big domes that were built 323 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.519 back there in ninety five. When we took the investigators back there, they 324 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:33.559 did a whole bunch of like soil samples and they were doing I don't know 325 00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:37.400 what you would call it, but they would take this device that would read 326 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:41.279 heat. It wasn't like a thorough on camera, but it would read heat 327 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:47.559 and it was like all degrees cooler and the dome than it was out of 328 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:49.640 the dome. And then they did a bunch of different stuffs on it. 329 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:55.039 And Jody Kook was one of the guys that were down there. So years 330 00:22:55.119 --> 00:23:00.720 later, when Monster Quest came about, they ran an episode of the Highiograssman 331 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:06.200 and Jody Cook when another guy were actually investigating down in saltwork, but they 332 00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:10.359 were talking about the stuff that happened up in Acric They showed the picture of 333 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:15.720 literally me inside this nest. Now this was in ninety five, and when 334 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:19.519 the picture was taken. So I was twenty five at the time. Jody 335 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.680 Cook and all of them were standing around. They got the picture of a 336 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.759 guy outside the nest, and they got to picture of me inside the nest. 337 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.640 Jody Cook and this other PhD the Island Saltwork said, we weren't sure 338 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:34.559 what it was, so they tried to recreate it. These two guys spent 339 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:40.480 hours and hours trying to recreate these domes that the dad and Uncle Dick used 340 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:41.759 to tell us all the time, those are just the big Foot house and 341 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:47.200 that's the Grassman's house, and we stayed away from them, especially after what 342 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.480 happened to us. We didn't go nowhere near those things. It literally was 343 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:56.200 about eight foot high inside and about twelve foot long. You could put a 344 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.519 couple guys in there. And I hear, I am building lean tos and 345 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.079 this thing's building a mansion compared to what I built a sleeping out there. 346 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.359 But yeah, the picture is in the Ohio Grassman episode of Monster Quest. 347 00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:10.400 Now I wasn't part of that. It was just a picture that Jody Cook 348 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:14.720 hadn't used. But it just struck me as awkward. Okay, you and 349 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.000 this other guy can't recreate this, but you won't call it what it is. 350 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:21.680 We told you what it is. Everything was all laid down in there 351 00:24:21.880 --> 00:24:26.240 was matted down, something sleeping in there. He just refused to call it 352 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.759 a nest. And then shortly after that, I started hearing Bigfoot and that's 353 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.440 popping up all over the place. I'm like again part of my life growing 354 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.160 up. They're there, and stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. 355 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:48.480 We'll be right back after these messages. It is a creature that haunts Ohio 356 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.559 children and their nightmares. Don't go out of the yard of the grassmen will 357 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.799 get it lurks in the taelve grasses and it's huge. Hard explains how it 358 00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:00.240 made me feel. I mean, I had nightmares after the evidence of strange 359 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:06.000 nests, a print that must be analyzed, bizarre nocturnal recordings I know, 360 00:25:06.039 --> 00:25:10.160 the creatures in the area that wasn't something unfamiliar with, and an image captured 361 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:14.079 on video of something so stealthy it wasn't even those It's pretty clear that it's 362 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:19.880 an upright walking animal. Science explores the probability putting evidence under the microscope and 363 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.720 taking the search for the grassman to new heights. Sometimes of a signature right 364 00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:27.119 there down near the ground. Why it looks I'm not sure what it is. 365 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:37.640 Ohio the Buckeye state, known for its heavy industry and home to more 366 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.880 than eleven million people, but there is also a rural and wild side to 367 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.920 the state. Eastern Ohio, a place where eyewitnesses have long told stories of 368 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:51.480 a creature that evokes the fear of a bogieman. But these monster tales may 369 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:56.359 be rooted in a real creature that eyewitnesses continue to report. They call it 370 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:04.200 the grassman. Long flowing hair around its shoulders, and something came up over 371 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:11.039 the ridge, black, broad shoulder. It was a massive individual. It 372 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:14.720 did walk under a limb that later on we measured at ten feet high. 373 00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:18.519 It's typically described as human like because of the fact that it's walking up right 374 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.000 on two legs. You know, you shaped like a linebacker, with a 375 00:26:22.039 --> 00:26:26.720 broad shoulders, broad back, no neck, small head you know up into 376 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:30.759 the neck area, very large muscular arms, very long arms. Most eyewitnesses 377 00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:36.440 describe the grassman as seven to eight feet tall, walking upright, with broad 378 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:40.759 shoulders and black to brownish hair. The creature is also said to have a 379 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:52.880 very muscular build with large hands and feet. For amateur researchers like Jody Cook, 380 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:56.000 the Elkins account is just the tip of the iceberg. Cook claims to 381 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.960 have found even more evidence that an unknown primate habits eastern Ohio. Yeah, 382 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.920 we found a sheltered area. It was more like an igloo. It was 383 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:10.799 completely hollow on the inside. On February nineteenth, nineteen ninety five, Cook 384 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:15.079 and two other men were investigating some recent sightings outside of Akron. What they 385 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:22.759 found was unlike anything they had seen before. These three photographs taken by Cook 386 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:29.200 show what he refers to as a possible primate nest or shelter. The structure 387 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.920 was very unique in the way it was formed. The branches, the grass, 388 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.240 and everything was interwoven. It took some time to do this. The 389 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:44.519 nest measured ten feet long and about three feet wide, hollow on the inside, 390 00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:48.200 with enough room to fit three adult men. The way they're constructed, 391 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:53.640 it was interwoven perfectly like your building to quilt. It was the best way 392 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.720 to describe it. It was just done very creatively. The foundation was constructed 393 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.960 of large branches with smaller branches woven in between. It appears to be covered 394 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.359 with long grass and other forest material. To provide protection from the elements. 395 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:15.039 Return trips to the area for additional research proved unsuccessful. Actually, we went 396 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.759 back on two different occasions to look, but the area is just so overgrown 397 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.240 with large grass, weeds and stuff. It was very hard to find. 398 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:27.799 The second time we went up there, and it's been completely mowed down in 399 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:32.039 that area, so there was actually no structure there at all. Have not 400 00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.640 ever seen it again. Yeah, The next thing is pretty interesting to me 401 00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:40.480 having conversations with some of the folks from the Olympic Project. Shane Corson was 402 00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:44.319 on the Bigfoot round table we did not too long ago, and I found 403 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.480 some interesting things here on our land that looked like it could possibly be a 404 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:52.599 nesting situation. And I've always found that curious because I got into that conversation 405 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.039 with doctor Chiro. I don't know if you've heard that episode or not. 406 00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.680 Zon we got into this conversation about things that apes do and things that apes 407 00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.559 don't do. And we know that great apes, at least some great apes 408 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:11.319 build some sort of nest, So it makes sense that that would be happening 409 00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.119 if sasquatch are what I believe that they are, which is some sort of 410 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.079 a large bipedal ape. But the interesting thing is some of the other lean 411 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.880 tos and things that people find, these tpee structures and things like that, 412 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.640 don't make a whole lot of sense what you're describing. It sounds like this 413 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:32.359 thing was pretty much enclosed. It was like a structure with bowls and things 414 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.319 over it for shelter. Is that what we're talking about. Yeah. It 415 00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:38.640 literally was some bigger sticks that were bent. They weren't snapped, they were 416 00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:44.200 bent and stuck into the ground, and then there was some smaller stuff over 417 00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:48.079 it, and then some leaves woven through it. If people did do it, 418 00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.119 I guarantee you it took them a long time to do it, and 419 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.240 you really wouldn't have the time to do it. We were down there every 420 00:29:56.279 --> 00:30:00.519 weekend. We'd be down there, like on a Friday, fish and go 421 00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:02.799 back to Grenball. As we come back down Saturday do the same thing. 422 00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.039 There'd be a nest there and I'm like, okay, we fish in here. 423 00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.799 It was just kind of how it was. But the thing that was 424 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:15.200 weird about it is the other two investigators that was put Jody Cook out there 425 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.680 with us. They wanted no part of it. They didn't want to they 426 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.279 wouldn't go in it. I'm like, I'll go in it. If you 427 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:26.680 guys are here, I'll go in it. I got in that and there 428 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.599 was no odor, but there was an eerie feeling. Now that could all 429 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.359 be in my head, but it's like I've been told they're the grassman's nest, 430 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:36.400 and now I'm in his backyard and not going in his home. But 431 00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.680 it just was a real eerie feeling. And I got out and Jody klok 432 00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.559 Cook looked at me and he goes, you're right. I said, I 433 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.759 don't want to ever do that again. It just a feeling I had. 434 00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:49.359 Maybe I overset my bounds. But I don't understand half the investigators out there. 435 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.200 I've talked to a few of them. When I was in the Army. 436 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.759 I was at Fort Lewis for a short time doing some special training. 437 00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.359 They're nonchalant. Now this is up in Washington State. It's not even Fort 438 00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.720 Lewis anymore, just like Fort Benning is no longer for Benning. But they 439 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.839 told us you don't get a live AMMO when you go on Maneuver's state side. 440 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.720 At that time, it was miles gear back laser tag. They told 441 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:17.680 us you're not going to be given live ammo. But there are sasquatch up 442 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:21.839 here. Don't engage them, don't confront them, just let them do their 443 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:25.640 thing. Everyone's laughing about it, and I've got this thing in the back 444 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:30.000 of my head going, oh no, not again, nothing happened up there. 445 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.640 But to have your your master surgeenc how you flat out there are sasquatch 446 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.920 up here? Can I have some live ammo? You find out that all 447 00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.440 the paperwork it's involved if you shoot live ammo outside of a range in the 448 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.640 military that you know. So I do think that a lot of our military 449 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.400 installations have them, or at least they're aware of them. I'm not biting 450 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.880 all the whole cover up thing or anything like that. The military does things 451 00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:57.759 that they don't tell the public about point blank. But I don't think that 452 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:01.880 there's a crew going around hunt them like people are saying. I don't believe 453 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:05.119 that our government is sitting there saying, oh, yeah, we got to 454 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.240 cover this up. If anyone's covering up, it's just going to be a 455 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:13.359 foresh industry. That's the only cover up that I would see happening, other 456 00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:15.640 than in my case, local authorities. You're not going to say here's a 457 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.240 grassman or a big foot down for the year of canw It would cause a 458 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:25.079 mass panic. There's houses twenty feet outside the woods. They're not gonna publicize 459 00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.000 that. But in turn, I also think these things no better to come 460 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.160 too far in. It's obvious. I think they know what guns are. 461 00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.119 I think they know that whether it kills them or not, it sucks, 462 00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.759 it hurts. But yeah, I'm almost done with the big boots. So, 463 00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.680 Jake, I love the subject. I love to listen to your podcast. 464 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:45.480 I love to read books on it. But I don't think that I'll 465 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.480 be talking to any more investigators. And I wanted to get ahold of you 466 00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:52.559 so bad because of the Doug Hicheck and I found out he produced it, 467 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.519 and I'm like, man, I just want to know I was the one 468 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.839 in the hut. Well, I'm definitely glad you did. Let's talk a 469 00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:04.480 little bit about your illusion with the researchers, because that's something that's come up 470 00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.880 plenty of times on this show. Wayne and I have talked about it on 471 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.000 that Bigfoot podcast. I think there's such a division, and it happens so 472 00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:14.759 often. I had a conversation with Renee Holland. I was actually editing her 473 00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:19.359 episode. I'm going to air that interview here probably tomorrow as we record this. 474 00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.599 Renee is one of those people. She was clearly on finding Bigfoot with 475 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.680 Cliff, Matt and Bobo. Renee is the skeptical scientist, right. She 476 00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.559 doesn't believe that these are an undiscovered biological creature, but she believes in Bigfoot. 477 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:36.839 So I scratched my head about that because I think she thinks there's a 478 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.839 little bit more to them. She didn't elaborate on that during the interview. 479 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.319 She hasn't done that with me privately when we've talked either. So I'm gonna 480 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:46.880 press her on that a little bit when we were gonna hang out in June. 481 00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.720 I'll be down at the Great Floorida Bigfoot Conference with her speaking there. 482 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.880 I'm gonna have some more conversations about that. But I said all that to 483 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:58.440 say, there's so much division, it seems at times when it comes to 484 00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:02.119 the researchers. Has gotten you so disillusioned because I can see it's a palpable 485 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.839 thing with you about researchers. Is it something in particular that sticks out that 486 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:09.320 you have a problem with. Yeah, the whole thing about the researcher is. 487 00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:13.679 If you're going to research something, you can't be closed mind. You've 488 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.000 got to be open to all possibilities. I don't want to name names. 489 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:21.559 What the show you mentioned. If they mentioned the WU, a certain verson 490 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.480 just jocks it and ignores it. Now, I don't necessarily believe they can 491 00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:29.760 teleport it and out, but it's just my opinion. I'm not closed off 492 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.599 to it. I'm just saying I just don't have that belief. But I 493 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:37.119 do think that I'm not sure the proper terminology for this. As a human, 494 00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.639 we only use the small percentage of our brain. Other animals and mammals 495 00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.159 use a larger portion of their brain. What's to say that a bigfoot of 496 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:49.800 Grassman of sasquad can't use even more? Did they proven that human mind can 497 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.039 have esp It can move things, It can do this? Not very many 498 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.360 people can. But what a bigfoot is one of those anomalies that has the 499 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.519 full function to do that stuff? Is it WU or is it just his 500 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.679 abilities? His brain? The whole the polar bear for Ben's light, they 501 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.880 can see military has camo that does that same thing. They got to be 502 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:14.239 getting it from somewhere. But I just think Bigfoot is just I wore a 503 00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:16.360 gilly suit in the service. I know how to camouflage, but I had 504 00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:20.079 to be taught how to do it, and I was taught during a course 505 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.760 to do it. If you're a sasquad, you're probably being taught that from 506 00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:28.239 day one and it becomes second nature to you. So I don't necessarily believe 507 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.559 they teleport how. But it's just the researchers that No, if it's wu, 508 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.920 it's not Bigfoot, or if it's this. Hey, if you're researching 509 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.639 something, be open to it. And I like the Facebook groups on there. 510 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:45.000 I'll get on there. Look, I won't comment on much because you 511 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.159 know, you throw your opinion out there and you've got ten guys ripping down 512 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:51.599 your door. You're full of crap for whatever. Dude, I work for 513 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:53.840 a living. I don't need to be on a keyboard argument with you right 514 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:59.079 now. Sorry. Jody Cook has given up on researching Bigfoot. He says 515 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.519 it's too politic, too combative. Okay, now he's researching the dog Man. 516 00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.119 Okay, you've got time to kill it. At least that's my opinion. 517 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:10.920 Yeah, I agree with you that there's a lot of back and forth 518 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.400 in the research part of Bigfoot, and I get it. In my book, 519 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.880 I said part of that was we have to be open minded. But 520 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.800 I think it's very important to also be very scientific in your approach to looking 521 00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.679 for these things. But you can do both, in my opinion, I 522 00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.920 think you can look at the science. I think you can do it in 523 00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:32.480 a very scientific way, use the scientific method, you can use critical thinking. 524 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.440 But if you do come across something that is unexplainable, you have to 525 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.480 be open to the fact that it may be a part of the phenomenon. 526 00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:44.280 And I used to be very guilty of that. I was always guilty of 527 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.960 that. People would tell me stories about weird lights and orbs and other things 528 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.599 sometimes going on at the same time as big foot activity, and I say, 529 00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.119 oh, that's weird. I just separate the two. You got this 530 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:58.599 weird thing going on, and you got Bigfoot happening. So I've had to 531 00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:01.679 get to the point where I think it could be related in some way. 532 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:05.519 And again, I don't think Bigfoot is an alien. I don't think they're 533 00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.599 teleporting in from another dimension necessarily, but there are things that we clearly don't 534 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:15.639 understand about these creatures. We have to be open to how that might happen 535 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.960 outside of just being a physical creature. Again, that was one of the 536 00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.599 conversations that doctor cherrou and I had on the episode a couple of weeks back. 537 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:27.039 Was there's a lot of things that happened in nature. He said it 538 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.800 himself. You say something definitively, Oh, there's no more of those. 539 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:32.519 And then somebody goes out and pulls a sealcant out of the ocean that's supposed 540 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.360 to have been extinct for how many hundreds of thousands of millions of years? 541 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.400 And you go, oh, could it be possible that a bigfoot is eventually 542 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.000 brought out of the woods, either alive or dead? And they go, 543 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.079 oh, I guess they are real. So that's what keeps me coming back 544 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.400 to the well man, I don't know. Like I said, I love 545 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:52.239 listening to the podcast, especially yours, because you have the same approach I 546 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:57.280 do. Let people's o their stories. Some stories I get are far fetch, 547 00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.840 but I am not saying they're not true. It was, like you 548 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:05.239 said, their experience. Now, like we've had things happen in my grandfather's 549 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.000 house that my brother said he's seen a pair of hairy legs standing out the 550 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:10.719 window if we were down the basement, go down the basement steps, there's 551 00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:15.280 a window there. We ran outside. There was nothing there. There was 552 00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.280 no evidence of anything there. But my dad came home on the motorcycle from 553 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:22.920 work that night and seeing something in the backyard, so he took off on 554 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:27.159 the motorcycle after then went back around, came out the driveway and went down 555 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.679 the farmer's lane behind him, and then he realized, wait a minute, 556 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.559 I'm out here by myself, and he turned around and came back home. 557 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:43.800 But nothing happened. We would hear things, especially before my insigant my sighting 558 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.280 happened, that we would just think, okay, it's dog. Charlie. 559 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.079 Years later, I heard the Ohio holl and I'm like, there was no 560 00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:55.280 dog. It was literally that we heard that, and Matt Moneymaker went to 561 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.440 Acrid universe. When I spoke with him about this, because I remember reading 562 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.159 about that, but I've never been down there to check it out. I'm 563 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:06.199 like, there's no point now. He needed kayak and Scooby gear to go 564 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.760 look at the ground. There's nothing there anymore. Too many coincidence happen for 565 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.519 not to be something. I honestly just I think it's a flesh and bug 566 00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:21.800 creature that uses more percentage of their brain than we can fathom, so therefore 567 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.039 they have what we would call special abilities. I've tried to set up tario 568 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.760 cams, and I realized we can't get them on TiO cam because they probably 569 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.920 can see in the infrared spectrum, so they can see the light. They're 570 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:37.039 just gonna stay out of it makes sense. Doesn't mean I'm right no, 571 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:42.440 but it answers my question. And that's what I'm all about right now, 572 00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:45.920 is just answering my own questions and leaving it at that. I really appreciate 573 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:47.639 you coming on, man, I've had a good time talking to you. 574 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:53.719 Thank you so much. They say you don't gotta go home, but you 575 00:39:53.960 --> 00:40:27.480 can't stay. I don't want to feel world happen. Si si chart, 576 00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:34.719 there's chart that chart. Everything came right back, right back, joy from 577 00:40:34.840 --> 00:41:02.280 me, enjoy staying right there, come in right away. Stills s s 578 00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:52.360 s s s s s s still stutts still steps us ssssss