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Well off a wild weekend that saw
an IBF featherweight title win for Luis Albertobopez.

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It saw Williams of Pay To beat
the daylights out of his Filipino opponent

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in the Golden Boy main events Say
Night. It saw some wild football all

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over the place, including the NFL. We are here to mainly go over

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Boxy, but I got a feeling
Raphael is gonna be just a knock borderline

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obnoxious about his giants here in a
few moments stand by. It is the

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Fight Freaks U Night recap podcast.
You have found us. Thank you for

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doing so off the weekend, as
we're ready to recap everything in the Squared

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Circle and anything else that comes to
mind, including fight news nostalgia, lots

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of Canelo Triple Gen nostalgia on this
weekend multiple times in their trilogy. We're

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ready to talk all about it.
I'm merely the somewhat competent host T J

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Reeves. I can see him and
he's smiling ear to ear because his New

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York Giants, his New York Football
Giants had him all the way, had

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to fall behind twenty one nothing to
Arizona. We're tape the podcast just a

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little while after the big Giant comeback. Are you going to fess up?

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That's a Southern phrase. Are you
going to fess up? Here? Are

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you gonna try to act like that? You were glued to the TV and

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rooting the Giants all on the entire
way? What's the truth? Hello there?

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Well, number one, they were
early down twenty to nothing, but

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who's counting outscored sixty to nothing in
the first six quarters of the season.

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They were down twenty zero at halftime. I texted you and said, every

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Giant fan is in fire everyone mode
at halftime of game two and we would

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be hold they played the second half. Listen. The fact of the matter

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is it shouldn't have gotten to that
point. But you know, I'm glad

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they want. Here's the thing,
though, I because I live out of

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market, you know, being a
lifelong Giants fan, but I live in

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the metropolitan Washington area. Depending on
the way the networks go, we had,

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of course, no matter what's going
on, we always get the Washington

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games, or are we usually and
also get the Raisins games on CBS,

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So I and the Giants and Washington
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I did not have the Giants game
in terms of the regular podcasts, But

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would I do on Sundays? Is
I tune into The greatest thing for an

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NFL fan that you could possibly have
if you don't have access to every game

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is the NFL Red Zone. A
man Scott Hanson who used to a great

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job doing blow by blow when the
PBC fight John Hanson, who I've known

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for twenty five years. He used
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Phenomenal guy. And by the way, he's a boxing fan. We might

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have to get him on the show. He did some commentary like you might

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still he's still a fight fan even
after he did the commentary, so we

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might have to get him on.
He was the guy that did the blow

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by blow when Spike had the PBC
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of those fights in person, and
I got a chance to meet Scott and

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get to know him a little bit
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He's a he's a he's a great
guy. I actually thought that if

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he didn't want to do football and
there was a broadcaster out there looking for

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a more uh you know, full
time blow by blow person, one hundred

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percent he could hang with the top
guys on any of the networks. I

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don't care if you're talking about you
know, Showtime, his own HBO at

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the time, Uh you know whoever
you know picked ESPN whatever. But anyway,

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so I'm watching the Red Zone.
I'm watching the Giants get their tails

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kicked. I'm very irritated. Obviously. I saw a little bit of come

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back. You know, you got
Daniel Jones runs for a nice touchdown and

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Sequan with the nice diving over the
over the goal line to get a touchdown

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and barely made it. H And
then you know, Sunday night, sit

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down with the family for dinner.
It's back to school, back to work,

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the whole thing tomorrow. So I
left my office and they're losing by

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two touchdowns, and all of a
sudden, my phone starts blown up because

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three of my pals who are Giants
fans, also started texting me to see

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the comeback. And then the Kuda
gras my my friend of me when it

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comes to football. My man Mauricio
Suleiman, the president of the WBC,

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who is a who's a diehard Dallas
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course I'm a Giants fan. And
so the two of us go back and

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forth. He wanted to make up
bet with me on the first game of

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the season when they when they lost
last week, he said, listen,

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the team whose team loses got to
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the way in for canello charlote.
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by the way, you were ducking
Mauricio's call after the Cowboys beat the Giants.

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So I know we're going to get
to the fights, but this is

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tremendous. The president of the WBC, who's been watching his Cowboys on the

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other channel at the time we're taping
beat the other New York team, the

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Jets, has to make sure that
he checks in with you on an NFL

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Sunday night to see the Giants came
back and won. Well, it wasn't.

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It wasn't. We were not discussing
anything related to boxing. It was

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just right. So, as you
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half, and I had to confess
to him that while I saw much of

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the second half via red zone,
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scoring plays that put them ahead.
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kind of fan you You abandoned the
Giants, they come back and win what

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I mean, and Mauricio Solo Suleiman
is having to chastise you as we come

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in on the plot here. For
this, all I can say is this,

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if I have to choose between watching
a Giants team that was down two

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touchdowns, We're having a quiet Sunday
dinner with the wife and kid before the

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news school that she has been preparing. She's been hard at work preparing the

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meal as well, so she made
a beautiful dinner on Sunday night. Hudos

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to her for us. I agree
score points with the family and if the

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I'll give you. Rico actually said, uh, it's hard to say,

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but congratulations, you know Cowboys,
So thank you, Mauricio. What you're

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listening, Well, it's easier for
him to say that because it was forty

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to nothing last week on Sunday night
football all right, So, by the

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way, and his team won today
also, yes they did. They beat

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the Jets. So, by the
way, I have worked buccaneer football.

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Just for one more second, we're
going to digress. It was literally,

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ray Phil, I'm not exaggerating,
like a hundred and seven heat index on

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the field in Tampa. Raymond James
Stadium disaster heat. It affected the Chicago

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Bears. My Buccaneers have one.
They're two and oh. So we're liking

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that. A lot of two and
no teams to this point. The Philadelphia

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Eagles or two and oh, the
forty nine Ers two and oh, Mauricio's

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Cowboys or two and oh. So
the Buccaneers off to a nice start.

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I had to get in the pool
to cool off a little bit. When

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I got home, I'm refreshed and
I'm ready to talk boxing with you.

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All right, A couple of housekeeping
things. Thank you for finding us.

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It's the Fight Freaks Unit recap.
We come off the weekend, we recap

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the fights. We do everything we
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morning. It maybe a little later
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and then we recap coming off the
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With that being said, we had
a Friday Championship fight card Top Rank ESPN

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show, So it's been a couple
of days since this took place. We

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did preview it. Luis Alberto Lopez
did get a win. Raphael would like

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to point out he got the decision
victory there where I was going knockout on

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the bet Us show for Luis Alberto
Lopez over the veteran Joett Gonzalez. All

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Right, your thoughts on that and
on the undercard in the top rank show

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that took place for this weekend,
Well, number one, it was a

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good win for Luis Alberto Lopez and
once again a good performance from Joet Gonzalz,

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but not enough to win kind of
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part was I think many people thought
a TJ that going into this fight that

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it was going to be a much
more fan friendly fight. They both talked

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about how we're Mexican Warriors, and
we're gonna go out there and we're gonna

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give the great you know, the
fans, a great fight, et cetera.

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And while it wasn't a bad fight
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I've seen thousands of fights obviously way
way worse than that. It wasn't

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really particularly memorable. It wasn't you
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fight. It was you know,
sporadic action, you know, decent,

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but not what I anticipated. And
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realize as I watched Luis Alberto Lopez
more and more, is while he does

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have that ability to get into those
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in his fights where it's action packed
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kind of a slick fighter. He's
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good with his feet, he can
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I mean he's not I wouldn't say
he's a defensive specialist, but he doesn't

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ever really seem to take the full
clean shot. He's he's good with the

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distance to just even if he takes
a shot, he can roll well with

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it, or he can parry the
shot off his gloves or his shoulders or

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whatever. Like he's he's I don't
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slick ish. If you know what
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he did a very good job because
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do anything in the early part of
the fight. Now, there were some

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fake controversy because some people were like
a gas that the wide scores two of

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the square cards are rather wide.
Now, personally speaking, I had at

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seven rounds to five in favor of
Jose of Louis Albert. I keep on

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the calm Jose Luis Lopez, which
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early two thousand. Luis Alberto Lopez
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He was way out in front because
he dominated in my opinion, the first

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half or most of the first half
of the fight. And it is interesting

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on the official cards he was given
seven of the first eight rounds by three

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of the judges, and I think
that had a lot of people surprised that

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it was that. Why but you're
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card as well. He built up
the early league. Yeah, exactly.

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So I think out of the first
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I think I gave him one round
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then I thought he did way way
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gave him more of the rounds,
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you know, those last you know, a couple of rounds and I gave

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him suddenly it's seven rounds to five. But he never really had a chance

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to win on my card unless he, you know, gets some knocked downs

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or obviously gets the stoppage. So
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I just had a little bit closer. Some people were making out like

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it's a highway robbery. Now,
part of that was because my longtime pal

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Mark Kriegel on the ESPN broadcast,
he had the fight scored in favor of

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Joet Gonzalez one fifteen to one thirteen. Now, Mark's my man. I

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love Mark. I've known Mark my
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I've known Mark practically. Uh,
you know, I just I just dis

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agree with his scoring that night.
You know, it doesn't make him a

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bad guy or make him wrong about
this or that. He just you know,

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yeah, I think he was in
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people that did think that Joett maybe
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I didn't see it, you know, Luis Alberto Lopez was much much busier

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with the punches, landed a lot
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Joett Wash and even Joett Gonzalez after
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work of his three title fight performances, because now he falls to Owen three

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in world title matches. He said
in his immediate interview with Mark after the

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fight that this was the worst performance. I don't agree with that because he

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got shot out basically by shake wor
Stevenson couldn't do anything with him. That

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was his first title fight. U
the Emmanuel Navarette fight, which was the

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next fight, which he lost a
decision. That was a great fight,

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I mean literal slug fest. Even
though he was, you know, pretty

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pretty well down. I felt like
this was at least more competitive over the

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second half of the fight. So
Joett's got nothing to be ashamed of.

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He's just one of these guys who's
a likable fighter. He makes pretty good

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fights usually, he's an honest fighter. He comes in shape, he works

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hard. He just doesn't necessarily have
the talent to get over the hump against

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the best names. Now, in
other circumstances, we've seen guys with a

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lot less talent and ability than Joe
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that they're matched with champions, they
can win a title. But nobody ever

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did any favorites for Joe Gonzalas because
we can think about the guys he had

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a fight to go into a title
matches. One wish of course Stevens,

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who some day probably be pound for
pound number one, Manuel never at that

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he was clearly established himself at this
moment, at least my mind is one

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hundred and thirty pound number one.
And you know, another way class north

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and now Luis Alberto Lopez, who's
been pretty hot and fighting well and is

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developing a nice resume, so no
one's given him a soft touch to get

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a title. They're not matching them
up, you know, for vacant belts

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against you know, an eighteenth rank
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So, you know, we'll see
what Joe does. Hill. I'm sure

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he's gonna still fight, whether he
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know, just strictly opponent class at
this point. You know, that's hard

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to say. But for Louis Alberto
Lopez, look, he gets to win

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no controversy, not not a memorable
fight, but he keeps him off in

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line, and he said it after
the fact. He wants Robes Ramirez,

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who's the WBO champion, also with
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that I don't know why Top rank
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of making the best fights. That's
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very interesting fight probably would drawn nice
crowd. ROBESI will fight in November on

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an ESPM cart in Lake Tao,
which we spoke about on the podcast,

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the Preview podcast. If he wins
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year, it would seem to me
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even if they were to have one
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second fight maybe against each other.
The point is that seems like an inevitability

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because the other champions at featherweight are
not necessarily the types of fights that Top

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Rank is either a in position to
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or that would make any more sense
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Lopez. Because the other champions are
Ray Vargas, who's with PBC, who's

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supposed I guess be fighting Brandon Figueroa, who's the interim title older sets like

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a mandatory fight, and the other
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WBA tide. All there was Leewood, who's got the defense coming up against

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Warrington, you know in a couple
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the zone matchroom thing that it does
not that it's a bad fight, it's

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just there's no they're not going to
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two guys. So let's see what
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did not make mention just before we
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the Giant talk, I got like
a little excited that we were talking to

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NFL. You're gonna hear from ericson
lubin the hammer coming up with Dan.

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You're gonna hear the back half of
the two fighters, because you heard from

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Jeseus Ramos on our previous podcast on
the Big Fight Weeken preview. You're gonna

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hear from ericson Luban who's meeting Ramos
in the undercard battle coming up on the

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Canelo Jamel Charlo card that is coming
on September thirty in Las Vegas. So

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the Luban interview in a few moments. One more on the weight. I

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just I love to have fun with
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the card. If it is Lopez
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who would you favor in that fight
based on what you've seen of both

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at the moment, who would you
give an edge? True? Right now?

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Well, I I respect for Lopez, you know, like I mentioned

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before, he's kind of slick ish. Well, Robesi Ramiers is slick.

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You know. Robesie Ramier is an
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an Olympic gold medal winner. Uh. You know, I know we had

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a rough start twist pro career with
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extenuating circumstances, but that he's like, really really sharp, uh, in

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his recent fights, winning the title, defending the title overseas in Japan.

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You know, we'll see what happens
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quite sure yet who the opponent's going
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I mean, I reserve my right
to change my mind depending on what

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happens, but one hundred percent in
my mind, that's the Robsi Ramire is

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a victory. But you know it's
it's not like it's a blowout. It's

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it's a it's a good match.
We'll call it the early edge. The

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early edge, you would give the
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it's a it's a a fine fight. I mean, I don't think any

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boxing fan that that follows these guys
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Luis Alberto Lopez against ROBSI. Now, Robesie early on was looked as an

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underachiever because of his loss, even
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put that away. And Luis Alberto
Lopez, I think too many is viewed

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as an overachiever because when you watch
him a couple of years ago losing on

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Showbox, I guess it was to
Ruben Villa, who you know, fought

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on this undercard. You know you're
you're not You're left thinking yourself, I'm

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looking for, you know what,
a guy that's gonna become a featherweight champion.

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But you know what, he got
himself together. He worked hard,

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he went overseas and uh Tyson Fury's
buddy Isaac Lowan and eliminator by knockout went

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back and won the title by a
close decision in Warrington's hometown and a legit

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victory. Made his first defense in
Belfast, Northern Ireland, and knocked out

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impressibly Michael Conlin. So you know, he gained that confidence. Now he's

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back in front of a crowd that
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for both guys because he was Mexican
and Joet's Mexican American. Of course they're

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fighting corpus Chrissy, Texas big Hispanic
population. So but he's got the confidence,

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he's got some of that swagger.
But you know, Robot here Mayor

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is not going to be phased by
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Undercard, saw Xander Zaia is impressive. Saw one of the sons of

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Fernando Vargas, also went impressions on
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out Friday well after the Xander Zaias
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middleweight just turned twenty one, had
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Who was known as a pretty good
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consensus was, without question that was
the best opponent that Xander was having faced

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so far in his career, and
I happen to agree exactly with what the

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broadcasters on ESPN we're saying. I
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aftermath, some people at top rank, everybody sort of in agreement that was

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the I texted with with xanders manager
Peter Kahn after the fight. We're all

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in agreement that that was the best
that Xanders Zaias has looked in his professional

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ker He looked sharp, he looked
strong. He's twenty one, he's growing

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into that man body. He looks
powerful, in great, great condition,

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you know, an educated jab which
really did the business against against valens Ella.

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And the biggest thing was he caught
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on the bridge of the nose.
It was just he bled profusely. I

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mean, and to all credit to
Roberto Vealezuela on multiple occases, I think

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it was three different times when the
doctors on the reff checked him, he

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wanted to continue, so I give
him credit. You know, this was

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a guy that was going to go
out on his shield and eventually just got

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too bad that the ref just there
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I mean, it was disgusting and
again a credit to the referee. I

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think it's Mark Nelson, right,
Marks, who gave him every chance at

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the end of the fourth round to
last the round, to let the corner

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work on the cut. And then
they sat in the corner, We're gonna

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give you a chance here. But
this is I'm paraphrasing, this is a

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bad, bad cut and it's bleeding
everywhere. But they also he was gained.

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But the blood, I mean,
I agreed with that stoppage. The

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blood was just disgusting and it lived
to fight another day. On that they

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thought that the nose was broken.
He had been knocked down in the first

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round twice, although the second knocked
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punch andy push, but it was
scored a knockdown, and Mark Nelson,

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who has been one of the better
referees in boxing for a long time,

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gave him every opportunity to stay in
the fight. In fact, it felt

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like, you know, because it's
a doctor is the one that can stop

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to fight. The I mean,
I'm sorry, the referee is the one

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that can stop the fight. The
doctor can offer his recommendation. At one

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of the points where they examined the
cut, Mark Nelson seemed to be getting

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a little irritated with the doctor.
He just asked him find out, you

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know it was he good to continue, and Mark was when he kind of

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nodded before the doctor could s anything
else. Mark was like, yeah,

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let's go. Like he didn't even
want to hear what the doctor to say.

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After that, he's like, you
know, you're messing up my fight

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here. Let's say if you say
he's not in danger, And it seemed

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like it was okay. He was
on the bridge, you know, at

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least when they checked at the first
I'm leading into his eyes. Not bleeding

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into his eyes was the critical part
there in the fourth round when they were

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looking at it. But eventually it
so much blood but also not getting into

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your mouth and you're throwing. But
so Mark, you know, who's experienced

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with these types of things, he
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Uh and but it got to a
point where you got to stop it.

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But so Xander, that was a
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He's probably gonna fight up one more
time this year. He's now what's seventeen

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and oh with eleven knockouts and uh, you know he's calling for a bigger

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fight. He wants to fight for
a title. I get the youthful exuberinst

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There is no title presently available but
those titles. With Charlot going to fight

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Canello, you know, I know
what he's saying. Maybe he'll come back,

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but you know, it's not impossible. But the logic would say that

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at some point those belts are gonna
be splintering and he's positioned. He'll be

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very well positioned in some of the
sanctioning body organ you know rankings, and

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uh, you know, Xander's eyas
is gonna get his opportunity probably is for

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a bigger fight next year. There's
only not a lot to keep holding him

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back. You mentioned about Fernando Vargus, his son Emiliano the lightweight. Uh,

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you know, what can you say? He did what he was supposed

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to do. He scored a third
round knockout against Alejandro Guardardo, who was

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an undefeated fighter. But kind of
kind of look putting lipstick on a pig

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because those undefeated fighters that he had
fashioned, that the undefeated record that he

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had fashioned had come against all fighters
that were under five hundred or you know

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type of records. But again,
Vargas is only a nineteen year old fighter

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U really in the formative stages,
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he's got a potential star power.
He's got a good look about him.

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He's obviously got the bloodlines with his
father, who's in the corner, Fernando

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Vargus. You know, it was
a top champion in Big Star in the

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in the nineties and early two thousands. And the kid looks like he can

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really fight. I mean, you
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on the job to some degree,
but he did what he's supposed to do

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is target practice. He's getting confidence, he's speaks well as handsome. I

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mean, he's got the possibility if
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he can become some kind of,
you know, star power type of fighter.

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And then of course those are the
three fights on the broadcast and on

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the on the ESPN plus part of
the cart that's some important fighters getting back

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in their end. You had the
lightweight Jamaine Ortiz, who had not fought

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in thirteen months since he gave Lomachenko
a super tough close fight. H really

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made his name. He had previously
defeated Jamal Herring. But when you go

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h that close to Lomachenko, you
know, you make your name even bigger

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in a lot. So he came
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who's you know, a journeyman but
a very experienced guy. Uh. He

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had he had given Uh. This
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I was actually at this fight at
the National Harbor near where I lived,

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that was over the bridge in Maryland. Scored the knock out of the year

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against Antono Moran, So he can
be he can be stopped. But Jamaine

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Ortiz, he won pretty wide.
He's he overcame some some tough, tough

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moments in that fight. He was
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You know, it looked like he
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but he got himself together and came
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So you know, he's definitely a
guy who's gonna be uh in the

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in the thick of things in terms
of where the titles shake out once tight

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and once Haney's titles are all vacated, you know, he's a very quality

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contender. Ortiz and then the other
fighter on the undercard who won in eight

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round decision. Is ruben Via,
the featherweight contender who's only lost. Uh

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you know, was in a title
fight against Navarette and in a gave him

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a good fight and he'd got to
win over Luis Alberto Lopez who was in

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the main event. So ruban Va
is well positioned to be in another world

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title fight. Well, you gave
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All great stuff. This is why
we love the recap again. We're coming

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to the Luban interview in a little
bit. Let's move on to Saturday.

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In the chronology, the Golden Boys
show Commerce California, the Commerce Casino and

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Williams of Payta delivered. You and
I both thought knockout and he was as

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advertised again a lot of firepower for
the lightweight contender. He got his ko

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against Marcito Hesta of the Philippines.
Your thoughts watching that as he now gets

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a twenty fifth knockout in thirty one
fights, z A pay to clearly a

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serious title contender, I would think
at this point in the lightweight division.

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Yeah, he's now twenty nine and
a twenty five knockouts, so you're giving

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a little extra credit, but still
tremendous record. Look, Hesta, you

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know, I don't think anybody expected
that that Marchito Hester was gonna win the

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fight. But he's a very respectable
fighter. He's only lost pretty much of

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the best guys two times in the
world title fights. You know, veteran

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contender, you know, knows his
way around the ring, not afraid to

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fight anybody, always showed a good
chin. You know, this was not

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like, you know, the type
of fight you'd say it's it's a great

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match or anything like that. But
Hesta is a he's a solid professional guy.

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I mean, as a as a
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a bigger fight. Taking on Hesta
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that's that's not a joke. It's
it's you know, it's it maybe not

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be a pay per view fight,
but it's you know, it's a perfectly

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legitimate fight. He made Mercita hest
To look like it didn't even belong in

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the ring with him. I mean, he just went to town. And

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you know it's not like hestafod badly
Hesta. If you look at his his

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punch stats or example, we're perfectly
in line with what you would expect for

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the length of the fight and the
weight class that he fights in. You

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know, he threw it, you
know, obviously a lot of punch He

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landed a lot of punches, but
he was in with a guy that just

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was like, you know, it
was like watching a guy and if you're

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if you're watching like a video or
whatever, you were hated and fast forward

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because he just never stopped with the
pressure and the punching, clean punching.

404
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,880
I mean, the punch stats that
he put together, I mean they're not

405
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,079
just like good, they're overwhelming,
overwhelming. So check this out. The

406
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,759
fight lasted five and a half rounds, almost like one minute thirty to one

407
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seconds. I believe it was a
round number six with a fight was stopped.

408
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:12,880
I barely missed the over on that
that hurt. It would have been

409
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,079
four and oh this weekend four and
on the bet Us show instead of the

410
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,359
kid here ended up getting the under
by a second. I'll take it on

411
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:25,279
the KO go ahead. In five
plus rounds, he threw six hundred eighteen

412
00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:32,000
punches, which and if it goes
and landed, if it goes to twelve

413
00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:33,519
round distance, he's going to be
well over a thousand because it looked like

414
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:37,759
he was losing any esteem at all. He landed two hundred eighty six punches

415
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,799
and five plus rounds, and by
the way, that's forty six percent.

416
00:24:41,839 --> 00:24:47,319
If you're landing anything above forty that's
tremendous. If you're landing like above thirty

417
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,400
five, that's really good. So
in terms of overall, that's what he

418
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,759
did. Not check this out in
the power shot category, now that's anything

419
00:24:52,759 --> 00:25:00,400
other than a jazz was absurd.
He landed two hundred forty two of four

420
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,359
hundred and fifty four power shots fifty
three percent. That's like Mercito Hesta getting

421
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,440
in a car accident every single round. I mean, it was ridiculous.

422
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,480
Did you sense that this was really
target practice? Because I started watching any

423
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,359
of this is target practice, like
after the third or fourth round, and

424
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,240
really could have been stopped because I
just I sensed, what do we know?

425
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,880
We're watching, we're detached, we're
away from it. He doesn't he

426
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,880
doesn't believe that Hesta can hurt him, and it's now just target practice.

427
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680
He's in the pocket, just pounding
the guy. It's a matter of when

428
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:33,039
it's gonna get stopped. Right.
Testa was one of these guys and he's

429
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,319
very savvy like this. He knows
what's happening. He knows he's taking a

430
00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:40,279
tremendous amount of punishment and in big
shots, but he has the heart to

431
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:42,559
want to stay in the fight.
And so the referee, which was Jack

432
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,000
Reese, was looking really really closely
on a number of occasions, and just

433
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,880
when it looked like Jack might stop
the fight, has to manage to get

434
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,279
off two or three shots just to
sort of, you know, not not

435
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,440
really hard shots, just sort of
like to show the referee I can still

436
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,359
I'm still got my wits about me. I can still get off some punches.

437
00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:02,440
You know, you can't stop the
fight because I'm throwing. And so

438
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:03,920
that's that's the way I looked at
the way that that fight was going,

439
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,640
where he did just enough to not
have it stopped until it had to be

440
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,480
stopped. I mean, I thought
maybe after round five, when they had

441
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,599
like a lot of conversation in the
corner and the fight could have been stopped,

442
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,000
they let the fight go into the
next round, and then within a

443
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:19,400
few seconds at thirty seconds or so, uh you know, or a minute

444
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:25,200
whatever, they ended up stopping the
fight. But the volume punching the chin.

445
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,000
The power on those punches his own, you know, uh sort of

446
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,920
motor. You know, the stamina
is just ridiculous. I mean I talked

447
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,799
to Eric Gomez, who's the president
of Golden Boy after the fight, and

448
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,279
he said that he's the busiest fighter
in boxing and that and that quote.

449
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,799
His volume punching is unmatched, and
yeah, he's the promoter, but it's

450
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:47,119
kind of so you know, sometimes
motors they want to spin it their way

451
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,680
and obviously make you know, put
put a bright picture on it. But

452
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,319
it's really hard to disagree with what
Eric Goman said about that because the volume

453
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:57,759
punching is ridiculous. The volume punching
is almost his defense because he doesn't give

454
00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:02,079
you a chance to fire anything,
you know, two two damaging back in

455
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:06,000
himount He does get hit a little
bit, but that's boxing. Plus he's

456
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,640
a southpaw, I'm gonna tell you
right now. We talked about the lightweight

457
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,839
division a lot, and we talked
about Haney, who's been undisputed now he's

458
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:15,160
got three of the belts. We
talk about other top fighters, Davante Davis

459
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,079
and and Vissilly loma Chenko and you
know, I mentioned Jamaine Ortiz who fought

460
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:19,720
on the card the other night,
and there's you know, there's a lot

461
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:23,720
of good talented fighters in that weight
class. Us. It's probably one of

462
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:27,680
the deepest weight classes in the whole
sport. I'ma and nobody ever really mentions

463
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,599
Williams Zapata. I refer to him, I think either on our previous podcast

464
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,079
or maybe on the bet US shows. He's like the division dark horse.

465
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,200
Everybody talks about Haney and Loma and
and Tank and and and some of the

466
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,480
other guys in the weight class,
but they don't really oh yeah, oh

467
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,079
yeah, yeah, Williams Zapata.
Well, they better start mentioning and Williams

468
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,000
a peta because he's a bad boy
and he's gonna be any of these guys

469
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,359
trumble. I don't care if you're
Devin Haney, David Davis not necessarily saying

470
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,200
he's gonna beat all these guys,
but trust me, not a lot of

471
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,440
guys are gonna be calling this dude
out. A left handed fighter with that

472
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:59,079
kind of power, with that kind
of stamina, with that kind of just

473
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,839
monst output of punches. I mean, it is it's that's not really a

474
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,400
stuff like that. I mean,
you know, talking by the way,

475
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,880
I mean the other guys in the
way class shook course Stevenson now in that

476
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,720
weight class ed, when Delos Santos, George Cambosa's pit Bull Cruz, Frank

477
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:18,440
Martin. I mean, that's a
pretty strong quality bunch of guys in this

478
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,559
weight class, and I dare say
there's not a single one of them that's

479
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:26,640
gonna say, hey, give me
William Zapeta. They're gonna have to force

480
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,480
the issue. Golden Boy and Zapeta
gonna have to get to get in the

481
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
position with the organizations and just have
this dude keep getting out there every few

482
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,599
months and putting a beating on somebody
until the fans and the press the man

483
00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:41,200
that get the guy get a shot. Well, he looked that good and

484
00:28:41,599 --> 00:28:44,440
right, I know we're talking to
him up. We don't work for Golden

485
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,839
Boy, but he I mean,
I just kept thinking this when you were

486
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,200
saying it, you might watch a
guy have an outstanding twelve round fight and

487
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,880
not laying two hundred and fifty power
shots. Five plus rounds two hundred and

488
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,319
fifty power shots. We're right out. And here's the thing that goodness,

489
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,079
I don't want to make Mercito hast
out to be like, you know,

490
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,920
some superstar. But Marcino hessays a
vastly experienced fighter who's been in a world

491
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,759
championship fights, who's acquitted himself pretty
well, who's you know, got some

492
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,680
decent wins on the record. He's
not a bum. This is like a

493
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:14,000
really solid pro who when he was
coming up a lot of people thought would

494
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:15,599
be a champion. I had somebody
mentioned me and I don't know, I

495
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,079
can't remember the name, but on
the on the comments section of my sub

496
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,920
stack, because I wrote a story
about the fight on Saturday night, made

497
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:30,160
the interesting point of view and suggestion
or thought that maybe Zapeta could be like

498
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,440
the Jose Luis Castillo to Shakoor Stevenson
like the Floyd Mayweather, which I thought

499
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:37,960
was a very intriguing comparison. And
the reason why it's interesting is because as

500
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:44,680
great as Floyd was and as great
as Shakour looks like he may be the

501
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,839
Floyd. You know, his kryptonite, if you will, was in the

502
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,480
fights with Castillo where they were both
were very close. A lot of people

503
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:55,039
thought he lost the first fight.
He did get the decision. It was

504
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,200
the one time where there was ever
any real element of controversy in terms of

505
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,000
Floyd Mayweather on this s work cards
and uh, you know, I'm not

506
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:03,960
saying that's the case, and but
it seemed like, you know, kind

507
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,519
of an interesting thought. So I'm
just throwing that out there. Yep.

508
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,440
All right, So we'll see you
the future for zape to. One thing

509
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,200
we have in our future is Dan's
conversation with again the second part of that

510
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:22,640
upcoming co feature fight for Charlo and
Canelo Alberts Canello and Jamil Charlo. That

511
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,559
is ericson the Hammer Lubin looking forward
an entertaining fight. You heard from Hazew's

512
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,759
ramos on the last podcast on the
preview podcast, now here's the guy that

513
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:36,200
he's going against. Well, I'm
joining today on the podcast by the junior

514
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,680
middleweight contender, ericson Lubin. Ericson, thank you very much for doing this.

515
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,039
How have you been You're getting ready
for a big fight on the Canello

516
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:47,640
undercard again, Charlo, I'm good
man, I'm good. Training can has

517
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,680
been great, I feel good.
Ready to rout two more weeks. I'm

518
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,759
glad to hear that. So just
to let folks know you're fighting the young

519
00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:59,680
contender. Hazew's Ramos and the co
feature Big Spot on September thirtieth on Showtime

520
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,960
Paper you at the Tmobile Arena,
and I have to ask you when when?

521
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,960
Uh, you know, people were
very excited when they heard about Charlot

522
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:10,920
fighting against Canelo, and then they
came the announcement of the undercard fights,

523
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,440
and when they when I when I
heard from different boxing fans and even other

524
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,000
people in the business, and and
the co future was announced, It's gonna

525
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,799
be eric Son Lubin against Hazews Ramos. I think the universal reaction was,

526
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,599
Wow, that's a that's a pretty
good fight. That's a really good fight.

527
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,559
What's your take on, Like,
how good a fight that is?

528
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,960
I mean, you you follow boxing, that's a good fight. Yeah,

529
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,960
it's a great fight. It's a
great fight. It's a fight I asked

530
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,559
for. I'm sure he probably asked
what I heard him say something about him

531
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:44,400
ask and put his fight a fight
before he even fought Joey Spencer. I

532
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,079
think he's a he's a he's a
good fighter. He comes to fight another

533
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,519
south pause with the South Pass South
Paul matchup, and it's gonna be fun.

534
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,559
What was it about Hazews Ramos that
made you think of all the different

535
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,880
guys in the weight class, that
was somebody that you'd like to fight.

536
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:05,359
I felt like he was the best
available. You know. The guys I

537
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,799
wanted to fight were like Sebastian Fandor. I obviously want my rematch with him,

538
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:13,960
I want my rematch with Charlow,
you know, and those fights wanted

539
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,359
available. Ask for Tim Zoo and
he's fighting Brian Mendoza and he had other

540
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,279
plans. So I said, give
me the next, you know, best

541
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:28,640
thing, and that's Brant, not
Brian Mendoza Ramos. So when he was

542
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,119
doing some of his media discussions and
talking in different interviews and things like that,

543
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,640
and I talked to him also one
of the things that he had said

544
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:38,400
with a lot of respect towards you, but he said, a win for

545
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:43,640
me against Eric Sanlubin means that I'm
ready for a title shot. And that's

546
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,920
a huge statement. And I wonder
from your perspective, what does a win

547
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,559
against Hazers Ramos, who's the younger
up and coming guy, where you're the

548
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,720
more established veteran. What is a
win over that that over HAZs Ramos,

549
00:32:54,319 --> 00:33:01,680
what does it say for you?
It's solidifies that you know, top top

550
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:07,839
three, you know, top three
guys in the division, or even top

551
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,920
two in a division. You know, I feel like he's a he's a

552
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,799
he's a great young fighter, and
I don't feel like, you know,

553
00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:20,119
he's beating Bran and those are already
He's the w BC champion. So I

554
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,279
feel like a win over Hayes's Ramos
is uh, it's pretty big. It's

555
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,920
uh. It shows that you know
that I'm still here, still one of

556
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,680
the top guys, and I deserve
a title shot. Well, I said,

557
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,720
you know, you're the You're the
more veteran fighter in the fight.

558
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,680
He's twenty two years old, but
it's not like you're an old man.

559
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:39,559
You're only twenty seven years old.
For a lot of guys, they just

560
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,559
be coming into their best. You
know, you've already had you know a

561
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,319
number of fights against a lot of
name guys and some good wins. And

562
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,200
I looked at your record just to
refresh myself before we were getting ready to

563
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,920
do the interview. Listen, you
got knockout wins against Jason Rosario, who

564
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,000
was a former unified champion. You
have a knockout win against eh Smith who

565
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:59,920
was a former champion, and and
a fighter who was in a the top

566
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,359
of the weight class for a very
long time. You have a good win

567
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,000
over the Olympian Terrell Gachet, who
fought for a world title even in your

568
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,679
last fight. Now most people wouldn't
say Luis Arius as a super top contender,

569
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,360
but you were the first guy to
ever stop him, and Lewis Arius

570
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,559
is known for being a real solid, tough guy. For some reason,

571
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,079
people just seem to remember your two
losses, which was a fight of the

572
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,000
Year candidate against fandor that you mentioned
him, which was a super close fight.

573
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,960
And you know you got caught by
the best guy in the division when

574
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,320
you were a very young fighter against
Charlotte. So how do you change sort

575
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,119
of the the take that people have
on ericson Luban that you know you're about

576
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,840
more than just a couple of longs's
sleep on me, sleep on me?

577
00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:42,920
And the way I changed that September
thirtieth, you know with a statement win

578
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,320
against zus Ramos. You know,
a statement win is on a very huge

579
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:52,760
stage. It's a you know,
Canelo versus Charlotte's on a pay per view

580
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,000
comin event. So the way I
changed change your minds is going in there

581
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,199
and being my best and coming out
with it with a statement victory, a

582
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,719
convinction win. Do you think that
that attitude that a lot of people have

583
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,920
is sort of unfair? Like it
seems to me like, you know a

584
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,239
guy that's that's willing to fight everybody, that's got some very good wins,

585
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,320
that's got some tough losses, but
one was super close fight of the year,

586
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,880
Like, is it a kind of
an unfair way that they position you

587
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,719
in some fashion? I don't think
of it too much. I don't think

588
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,039
of it too much. I just, you know, guys like myself,

589
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:30,599
they'll they'll appreciate me more when I'm
retired. You know, they'll appreciate me

590
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:36,000
more when I'm retired. And you
know, no, I feel like I

591
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:42,000
feel like I'm always I've always been
willing to fight the best in the division.

592
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:46,280
I've always been willing to fight the
best guys. So I don't know,

593
00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:50,320
I don't really think of it too
much. I don't really care about

594
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,280
it, Okay, fair enough.
I remember thinking at the time, by

595
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,039
the way, and I covered that
fight that you had with Charlot in twenty

596
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,159
seventeen, and I remember, you
know, Eric Son Lubin. I had

597
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:00,719
you as my pros back to the
year, back in the day, and

598
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,719
I thought you were just one of
the best young guys I've seen in a

599
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,360
long time. And when you when
you got that fight with Charlot, I

600
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,719
have to admit I did think maybe
you'd been off a little more than you

601
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,599
get you at that moment, just
because of the lack of experience, and

602
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,559
obviously it didn't go your way the
way that it ended. When you look

603
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:16,719
back on it, do you sort
of think, you know what, maybe

604
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,840
I did take that a little bit
too quick and I would have been better

605
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,920
served with a couple more fights of
say apprenticeship and sort of, you know,

606
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,599
work my way into a championship fight, or you know, or are

607
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,079
you just too young and hungry?
And you know, weren't thinking like that

608
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,639
during the time. I was just
feeling like, man, I'm just you

609
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,119
know, this is my time to
shine. You know. They put that

610
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,880
fight in front of me. But
now I think about it, maybe maybe

611
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:45,559
it was a little bit too early, And I feel like when I when

612
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,000
I look at haz and Stramos and
I look at what's going on and how

613
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:52,239
the media is taking the fight,
I kind of feel the same way.

614
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,360
Like I feel like everybody's you know, you know, they're doing the same

615
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,440
things they were. They were saying
about me. They're like, you know,

616
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,400
he's young, and he's gonna do
this, he's gonna do that,

617
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,440
And you know, I kind of
sit back and I laughed at it because

618
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,840
you know, it's like, it's
the same shit I was going through.

619
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,920
You know, it's the same shit. I see a smiling about it too.

620
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,559
It's sort of like the shoes,
like the shoes on the other foot

621
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:19,840
now in a way. Yeah,
yeah, it's I don't know, man,

622
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,440
i just I'm enjoying this though.
I'm I'm enjoying this whole thing.

623
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,360
I get the proved out is wrong. You know, they got me as

624
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,760
the B side. I'm the underdog, and I'm just embracing it. I'm

625
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,400
embracing it because I know I'm coming
out there and you know, with my

626
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:40,880
experience, my skill set, this
has been a great training camp for myself.

627
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,800
You know, I just bought ten
weeks ago, so you know,

628
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:49,119
me being active was one thing I've
all I've asked for for the past couple

629
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,480
of years. You know, I've
been fighting just once a year since twenty

630
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,239
twenty, and now they got me, you know, right back. So

631
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:00,119
I always told them that this this
brings the best out of me, and

632
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,920
it has shown September thirtieth, So
a lot of people even a year later,

633
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:06,000
year and a half later, I
guess at this point, they still

634
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:07,280
talk about the fight. Yeah,
with Fendor, it was a very close

635
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,960
fight. Uh you know, you
know, you both were on the deck.

636
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,599
It got stopped. A lot of
people thought it was the fight of

637
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:17,039
the year. Uh. You know, Kevin Cunningham, your trainer, elected

638
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:21,559
to stop that fight. Do you
understand it was after the ninth round?

639
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,480
Are you cool with why he stopped
it? Did you understand why he stopped

640
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,039
it? I know you said you
wanted to get that he stopped it for

641
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,159
sure. Yeah, I understand why
he stopped. You know, he's just

642
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:35,599
looking out for me. You know. Kevin Cunningham, he's a he's competitive

643
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,800
as well, and that's why we
fished so well because he's he's very competitive.

644
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,880
And you know, it's a fight
I was winning. If you look

645
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,519
at the score cards, I was
up on all three score cards, winning

646
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:50,679
by I think two rounds. And
you know it's boxing though, it's boxing.

647
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,199
My face didn't react. Well,
I had a I had a my

648
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:01,440
ac joint was was messed up and
my shoulder. Yeah, I understand why

649
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,480
he stopped it, but you know
those up to me, I was gonna

650
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,880
keep fighting. Well, while you're
answering that question, I did look at

651
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,400
the scores. You in fact were
ahead eighty four eighty five to eighty four

652
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,719
on two scorecards, and the third
scorecard actually was even at eighty five eighty

653
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,280
five, so it was close.
And like you said, you know,

654
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,280
you understand what happened with your trainer. I wonder is there is there any

655
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:27,000
kind of like silver lining to know
that a big part of your reputation is

656
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,559
that Errison Luban makes great fights and
that was a fight of the year candidate.

657
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:35,199
And you know, I find that
as as time passes, the fogginess

658
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,079
of like who actually won the fight
sometimes goes away. The fans remember it

659
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,800
was a great fight. I'll ask
a fan, Hey, how about that

660
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,480
Mickey Ward Arteraro Gatti fight, And
they're like, oh, those are great

661
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,159
fights. They don't really remember who
won the fight. They just know that

662
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:50,159
they thought it was an awesome fight. That seems to be the kind of

663
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,719
the way that that a fight like
Fondora will be remembered in the future.

664
00:39:53,840 --> 00:40:00,760
Okay, well, hey, I
see, but it was a great fight

665
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,639
FDA. He's a he's a good
fighter. He's a great fighter too.

666
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:06,559
All. I feel like the fight
with him and buy him and doza.

667
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,679
He's winning that whole fight. Like
people writing him off for a little bit,

668
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,800
I don't think they should. So
now that you know I'm gonna now

669
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,119
that you got this fight with Jesus
coming up, I'm curious, just briefly,

670
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:22,880
how do you expect the fight to
go. I'm expecting just follow the

671
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,360
game plan and being my best and
coming out with the win. That's it.

672
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:30,679
Coming out with the win. However, got to get it understood that

673
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,199
I would just wrap up with this. I got to ask you about the

674
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,039
main event. Look, Charlot beat
you. He became undisputed at one hundred

675
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,039
and fifty four pounds, but he's
stepping up two weight classes to fight Canelo

676
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,360
Alvers, who's the undisputed champion in
his weight class at super middleweight. So

677
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,719
I wonder, how do you think
that the main event goes and what happens

678
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,159
and how close are you watching?
Because you did mention that at some time

679
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:52,519
in the future, you would like
to have a rematch with Charlo. Absolutely.

680
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,800
I feel like I feel like people
are sleeping on Charlo. You know,

681
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,000
he's always alive dog. You know, he has a he has a

682
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,199
great i Q. He has a
beat IQ than what they what they think,

683
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,800
you know. I just feel like
if the if the old Canelo you

684
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,880
know, is back in that ring, then maybe a little bit more than

685
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,880
what he can handle, but what
Charlo can handle. But I feel like

686
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:23,920
he still has a shot, do
you ask me? All right, Ericson,

687
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,039
thank you very much. I guess
September thirtieth, it's hammertime, right,

688
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,360
yes, sir, all right,
man, I appreciate your time,

689
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,480
and I wish you good luck in
the fight and I look forward to seeing

690
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:37,239
you in Las Vegas. Appreciate it, all right, So there we go

691
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,079
again. As I mentioned, you
got back half of the interview Ramos on

692
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,079
the last podcast. Now, lub
and I know you said a lot on

693
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:46,679
the preview podcast, but just repeat
it again here real quick for a few

694
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,920
seconds. We're looking forward to this
fight on the Cannelo Charlo undercard. Well,

695
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,519
this is a really good co feature, no doubt about it. And

696
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:58,000
like I've said, if you if
you follow my viewpoints, you know I'm

697
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,960
very hard on undercard sometimes that I
feel like promoters don't necessarily always go out

698
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,119
and do the best that they can
give the consumer of value for their money,

699
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,079
and with this type of undercard that
they've put together, I do feel

700
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:10,679
like that is the case. And
this particular fight between Luben and Ramos,

701
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:14,760
to me, anyway, he's very
interesting because if number one, I feel

702
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,559
like it's going to be a very
good fight. Number two, I love

703
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:19,840
the fact that it's Ramos, the
young, hungry guy, twenty two,

704
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,000
undefeated, looking to really put a
really quality name on his record, even

705
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
though he's already got some good names
on his record, like Brian Mendoza,

706
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,840
for example, who is now the
interim title holder of the WBC. And

707
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,960
you got Luban, who's not an
old man. He's only twenty seven.

708
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,400
You know, we turn eighteen when
he's turned pro at eighteen, so it

709
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,679
feels like he's been around forever.
But Arison, Luban's you know, he's

710
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,360
got some good wins. He's got
some tough losses to Fendora and to Charlot,

711
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:43,599
but you know he's looking at they
heard in the interview. You know,

712
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,360
yeah, he's the veteran in the
fight, but you know what,

713
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,559
he thinks that he's kind of being
overlooked a little bit and you know,

714
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,239
not being given the proper credit maybe
for his position. And you know,

715
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,400
he's excited because he knows a win
can put him back in a great position.

716
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,719
So they both have the right attitude. I think they're both gonna be

717
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,000
in great shape for this fight.
I think it's gonna be one heck of

718
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:05,199
a good fun fight. Love that
news and in some nostalgia before we are

719
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,280
done so. On the Top Rank
broadcast Friday, they did confirm an interesting

720
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,360
fight Emanuel Navarat back in the ring. Give me more on the opponent,

721
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,880
note noteworthy opponent and what is the
date and what card? Give us the

722
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,079
details. Well, the thing with
Navarette is that you know, he's he's

723
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:29,199
obviously coming off such a big victory
against against Oscar Valdez that was obviously a

724
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,440
very very much anticipated fight, and
you think, well, he's gotten to

725
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,440
a certain point where he is in
his career, like you're not going to

726
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,480
see him on an undercard. But
you know what, because this is a

727
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,519
big spot for a top rank on
the formula one week. They're looking to

728
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:45,840
make that Thursday night on their regular
calendar because F one is going to be

729
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,320
in Vegas annually now and Top Rank
of course has the boxing contract, and

730
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:53,039
ESPN is involved with Formula one,
and so it's gonna be, i think,

731
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:57,639
become a regular sort of thing as
they look for these these spots to

732
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,599
put these sort of tent pole events, if you will. Way they've done,

733
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:05,039
whether it's a single demayo or it's
a September with the Mexican Independence a

734
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,880
weekend. They've done it with fights
on Heisman Knight on ESPN. They've done

735
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,800
it plenty of times with their Puerto
Rican boxers by going in New York City

736
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,599
on the eve of the Puerto Rican
Day Parade. So they have this date

737
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,920
now where they're looking to sort of
build it into something on the F one

738
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,199
week and so they have a matchup
between Shakoor uh you know, and it

739
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,639
wasn't the Frank Martin fight they thought
they were gonna get, so it's gonna

740
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:30,639
be uh you know, still still
not a it's not a not a bad

741
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:32,760
fight ornything like that, but they
got him against them. Maybe the lesser

742
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,920
known Edwin de los Angeles. But
now they're gonna have Navarette on the undercar

743
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:39,559
and he's not fighting a bomb.
He's fighting Robinson Konzas out from Brazil,

744
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,920
who was a gold medal winner who
has had you know, two his only

745
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,679
two losses were in world title fights. But he lost to Shakor Stevenson in

746
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:52,800
a little bit of a competitive fight, but it was a fight where Stevenson

747
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,760
had the unfair advantage of having not
made the weight, so that was sort

748
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,480
of like an asterisk. And that
one that was two fights to go back

749
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:01,440
in September of last year, and
then in the other title fight, which

750
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,840
was September of twenty twenty one,
he obviously had all two things happened there.

751
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,360
Number one, he lost the decision
to Oscar Valdez when Oscar was the

752
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:14,599
WBC's one hundred and thirty pounds champion. But two things. Number one,

753
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,360
a lot of people thought that Robinson
Quotsasa won the fight. Number one,

754
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:21,840
and number two, there was the
massive controversy because Oscar Valdez had failed the

755
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,719
drug test prior to the fight.
But the reason the fight went on and

756
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,280
this is still something I could argue
with people all day about, but I'll

757
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,079
just make it very brief, Oscar
Valdez tested positive for a substance that was

758
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,199
banned by Vada, who they had
contracted to do the fight. But the

759
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:38,360
Arizona Commission went by the water rules, and under the Water Code, the

760
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:45,000
particular substance that Oscar tested positive for
was permissible in competition and out of competition.

761
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:51,000
He has a positive out of competition
for the substance, and under VADA

762
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,199
rules there's no delineation between in competition
or out of competition. So there was

763
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:59,920
the fact that the commission rules did
not jibe with what the rules of Vada

764
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,440
said, and so the commission didn't
have any reason to not allow the fight.

765
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:05,519
Now, certainly the organization could have
not sanctioned it, blah blah blah.

766
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,320
In any event, Kanta Sao has
been in two fights where there's sole

767
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:15,079
an element of something working against him. One a guy fought with UH perceived

768
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,159
or depending on which rules you follow, a bad drug test, and the

769
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:22,480
other guy didn't make to wait,
so he's getting another bite at the apple

770
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,039
against Then you'll never day to see
for the third time as the charm form

771
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,440
if he can't win this world title. So he's a he's a good contender,

772
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,159
like I said, Olympic medal winner, a gold medal winner, and

773
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,199
uh, there's a second title fight
on the show, so they they've beeped

774
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,079
that up. And I don't know
if you remember it. When we were

775
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:42,039
talking about the core situation on the
podcast the previous episode, I did say

776
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:44,920
to you that I felt like Top
Rank was going to put another title fight

777
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,400
on the card. Uh, you
know, to be I'd be less than

778
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,880
honest. I didn't say I knew
that this was happening, but I was

779
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,519
not permitted to say so because of
no I mean, listen, when you're

780
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:58,000
right, you were being cryptic because
you were not allowed to talk about it

781
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,199
and you didn't want to burn who
helps you in the past. Understand I

782
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,039
sort of found out about it,
and you know, if somebody tells you

783
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,199
something, you have to One of
the ways you you know, you you

784
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,320
live and die in this business is
if to keep you know, you don't

785
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,840
You don't want to throw anybody under
the bus, and you don't want to

786
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,800
ruin a relationship. So if they
tell you something and they've told you you

787
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,599
can't say anything and it's off the
record, meaning you don't report it,

788
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,639
you don't like it, but you
got to kind of accept it sometimes.

789
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,159
So every now and then you gotta, you gotta, you know, dance

790
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:28,800
with the devil. And I wasn't
allowed to say. So let me put

791
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,320
it to you this way, just
in general terms. A lot of times

792
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,760
in your in your a lot of
work, and I've done this now for

793
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:37,800
thirty years, in all forms and
facets, you will find out something from

794
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,400
someone who says to you, you
can't go with that right now yet,

795
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:45,039
but I will take care of you
somehow, some way, some other time.

796
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:49,039
Just can't report that yet. And
in this case, you do your

797
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,119
digging and you just waited. And
so now we know about this fight,

798
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,760
and somewhere down the line, you're
gonna get something else for that. This

799
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,719
is how it works. This is
relationships. You work your sources, and

800
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,000
if somebody tells you you can't go
with that yet, you're an idiot because

801
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,559
you're never gonna get anything out of
that person. Again. The only way

802
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:07,559
you burn that is if you just
don't give a shit about that person.

803
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:13,639
But I go over this with young
broadcasters, young journalism people on if you're

804
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:15,960
trying to find out a story and
if you're trying to find out an information.

805
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,000
What you have to weigh is am
I going to be an idiot right

806
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:25,719
now and ruin my relationship with whoever
this is this source for a long time,

807
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,480
if not for good? And is
it really worth it to do that?

808
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:30,800
In ninety nine percent of the time, it's not worth it to do

809
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:35,280
that. So you're not a great
point you make how you do my you

810
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,599
know, thirty years or so as
a reporter, you know, beyond just

811
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,599
covering boxing, uh A Manuell Neverett
to Agans Hubson Constasu was not worth the

812
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:47,480
adjectate would have cost report that appen. But all you're saying, all you're

813
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:51,440
saying is you got tipped off.
There's gonna be another title fight there.

814
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,000
You got told it's involving Navarrot,
and you you got told to wait,

815
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,719
and so you waited, and now
we're talking about it two days later.

816
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,119
And also, but hey, listen, life, and we're about to find

817
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,239
out a couple of things that Dan
has found out and confirmed on his own

818
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,480
that we're not waiting to tell you
you're about to find those out. In

819
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,719
fact, in fact, let's get
right to it. Dmitri b Ball is

820
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,800
on the rundown. Do we have
hope that he's fighting. Do we have

821
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,760
folk that he's fighting this calendar year? What is your ring saying? Well,

822
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:22,840
this is not exactly like a trade
secret. And the reason I say

823
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,519
this is because during the The Zone
broadcast on Friday night that they did from

824
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,880
Mexico, which happened to feature a
very exciting main event between the lightweight Angel

825
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:40,599
Fierro and Brian What's Zamarripa. But
during during the course of that broadcast on

826
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:44,480
The Zone, Eddie Hearn, who
was the promoter of the card and was

827
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:49,519
there, but did an interview with
the broadcast team with with those guys,

828
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,880
and he mentioned when he was going
through the calendar with the interviewer, he

829
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:57,599
mentioned, you know, his schedule
coming up with all you know Josh Warrington

830
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,280
fight, that we've mentioned, a
whole bunch of other fights, and he

831
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,800
made he made the point that one
of those fights would be he thought would

832
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,280
be the Dmitri Vivo coming back on
December the second, But he didn't like

833
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,519
it was just kind of he glossed
over it. But I heard it,

834
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,679
and so I reached out to Vadim
Kornilov. Eddie was obviously in transit on

835
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,760
his way back to the UK and
uh Datim, who was the manager of

836
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,559
Demitri Bevo. We had a back
and forth texts exchange or the last you

837
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:22,800
know, I guess, starting on
Saturday morning and he said, yeah,

838
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,000
that's what we're looking to do December
second in the United States, which was

839
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,239
not something that Eddie mention Er confirmed. And then that he started talking about

840
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,360
the types of opponents that they're looking
at. One of them is Lyndon Arthur

841
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,079
from the UK. The other one
is hot Rod Collegic who's down in your

842
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:42,719
area. The Bosnian fighter who's lives
in the Tampa Saint Pete area. Interesting,

843
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,800
they talked about again, this was
something that came up a while back.

844
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:50,480
I doubt this will happen, but
they're they're still open to what the

845
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,039
Zone was proposing at one point,
which is himI Mongia. I just don't

846
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:57,760
see that Mungie would have to move
up another weight class, and you know

847
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,840
he he's barely done anything in supermiddleweight. But it would know, whatever the

848
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,920
Zone puts up enough money, I'm
sure he would do it. They said

849
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,920
they would go down to one sixty
eight and fight David Morrell to get the

850
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,000
mandatory against Canelo. Which if the
WBA could order that potentially, I don't

851
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,000
think so. But that they're fighting, they're fine with doing it. So

852
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,400
those are the types of opponents that
they were talking about. But what they

853
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,480
really want is the fight against Art
they're better b which would be for the

854
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:28,079
undisputed title, you know, and
I feel that deems paying. He said,

855
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,880
Look, that's what we would like
to do, but he knows also

856
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,039
that he's he was tied up with
back to back mandatory fights, plus he

857
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:37,079
had the injury, so that fight, you know, even if it could

858
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:42,599
happen, it wouldn't be until probably
next spring. And as I said to

859
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:45,719
him as we were discussing this,
look, I think the fight's very makeable

860
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,880
from the standpoint of Matt Room as
well as from top rank. It's just

861
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,440
that everybody on both sides has to
be more realistic about the financial expectations.

862
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:57,400
And he agreed with that. So
that gave me some hope that once Dmitry

863
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,280
fights the fight in December, that
they can all get together and make this

864
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,840
matchup. Remember podcast fans that all
the way back at the beginning of the

865
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,159
year, I think probably eight or
nine months ago, you began to hear

866
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,920
about Okay, they're having some kind
of conversation. Maybe they could fight.

867
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,679
And Vadim Korloff told you in an
interview, the money is just not right

868
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,159
for us to have an undisputed title
fight. It's not worth it. We'll

869
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:27,519
seek out something else. Well,
frustratingly, big phrase, big adverb.

870
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,880
At this point, they haven't been
able to make a fight with anybody else.

871
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,320
He's got to get in the ring
with somebody, because Danny hasn't fought

872
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:37,559
since last November to stay active and
get paid. Well. Also, I

873
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,039
understand where he's coming from. But
here's the guy that was the fighter of

874
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:45,519
the year by all consensus after defeating
Canelo in an upset and then you know,

875
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,239
easily beating by you know, pretty
much almost a shutout, the number

876
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,440
one undefeated contender, and Zerto Ramirez
that people thought had a chance to win,

877
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,239
and he won going away. And
so you come off of those two

878
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,920
big victories, you get the Fighter
of the Year award, and then you

879
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,360
don't fight for it will be going
on a year. Like you said,

880
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:06,480
so, they may have said it
wasn't makable with the money in terms of

881
00:53:06,599 --> 00:53:07,519
what was going on back a few
months ago. Would better be a But

882
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:12,400
the longer you sit perhaps the less
expectations you have because you haven't fought or

883
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,719
made a payday for a while.
So I'm assuming that they'll get a fight

884
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,400
done for December. I don't expect
it to be against one of the better

885
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,320
names on that list. I'd be
pleasantly surprised if it was, and we'll

886
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:23,639
see him back, you know.
If it's a Glyndon Arthur or somebody along

887
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:25,599
those lines, I mean, so
be it. But the main thing is

888
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,519
hopefully it leads to the bigger fight
because of course in January, because the

889
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:32,440
fight was delayed because of the problem
he had with the infection of his bone

890
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,159
and his jaw after a dental surgery. Better be about a delay his mandatory

891
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:39,159
against Callum Smith, So that will
be January, and if he can be

892
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,039
Callum Smith, which is no easy
fight, although I think most people think

893
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,800
he probably will win. If he
can win that fight and people can take

894
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:51,000
care of whatever fight he has come
December, then I think at that point,

895
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:53,360
with nothing else happening in that way, class, what are you waiting

896
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,719
for? I mean, there's gonna
be some money there. You're gonna still

897
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,039
make your biggest payday let's get it
on. I agreed with you. A

898
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:02,119
couple of more news items real quick, and then the nostalgia before we are

899
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,920
gone. This is not until December, but interesting that Juan Francisco Astrada and

900
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:14,920
kaz Ioca apparently are in discussions right
tell me more well. Number one,

901
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,480
that is a just a spectacular fight
that kind of can't say comes out of

902
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:23,239
the blue, because there's always been
rumblings that that was something that was sort

903
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,599
of on the minds of these guys
because they were looking for the biggest fight

904
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,880
in that weight class, which that
would be because you have a Strata who

905
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,199
hasn't fought since his victory and fight
number three late last year against Chocolateito Gonzalez.

906
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,360
But he's the lineal champion of that
weight class. He's got the WBC

907
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:43,480
title, you know, and Ioca
he had would have had the two titles,

908
00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:46,079
the WB on the WBA, but
because they draw he had with Joshua

909
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:51,079
Franco, he decided not to take
a mandatory so he gave up his belt

910
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,440
and he fought Joshua Franco in the
ringmich Anyway, he won the other belt.

911
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:57,360
So they're the two best guys I
think at this moment other than Roman

912
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,960
Gonzalez in that weight class. And
so they're looking at doing this fight in

913
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:04,840
Japan and doing it on New Year's
Eve, which in Japan, New Year's

914
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,119
Eve is a very big moment for
boxing in that country. They've always had

915
00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:13,679
big fight cards on the New Year's
New Yar's Eve holiday, and so that's

916
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,679
totally normal. That would be a
pretty big fight. I mean, so

917
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,599
he would Astrada would would travel there
if they can get the deal done.

918
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,440
I'm not I don't know why they
wouldn't get the deal done, because I

919
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:25,039
think everybody goes in with their eyes
open. There isn't some big pot of

920
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:31,199
gold fight elsewhere. I think both
fighters would actually raise their stock whatever happens,

921
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:35,920
because I mean, Astrada is probably
already a Hall of Famer with all

922
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,440
his accomplishments, plus the two wins, even if they were dicey against Roman

923
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,159
Gonzalez. And if you take a
look at Ioka, now, people in

924
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,039
America don't really know a whole lot
about him, but that dude's got four

925
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,480
He's won world titles in four way
classes. He's being a ton of good

926
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,760
guys. He's unified titles. I
mean he's he's probably and I'm not going

927
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,159
to make the mistake I made on
the last podcast where we're talking about we're

928
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:57,239
the best fighters in Japan, and
I talked about Nakatani and I talked about

929
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,400
Taraji and I forgot about in a
way. But if you take away is

930
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,360
number one, and we're gonna see
I'm I mean, Taragi and Akatani are

931
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,559
in action on Monday, so I'm
saying this before their fight takes place in

932
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:10,880
a few hours from now. I
guess the next best Japanese boxer out there

933
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,440
is probably Ioka. I mean,
he is probably has a good chance to

934
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,480
become a Hall of Famer, and
if he could beat up one FRANZOSTRAI probably

935
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:22,079
puts the puts the hammer lock on
that vote. So it's just a first

936
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,039
session. I hope they get I
hope they get the fight done. As

937
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:28,320
as I've said on the podcast many
times teaching, I'm a giant dork for

938
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,719
these small way class fights in Japan, and you do it in Japan with

939
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,159
these top champions, and you put
it guy like one Francisco Strada in on

940
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,119
the other side, and I'm even
gonna be more of a dork for that

941
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,800
fight. Good stuff. All right, one more, he's Adrian Broner on

942
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:45,039
the rundown. Hell yeah, Hell
yeah, Adrian Broner is on the rundown.

943
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,639
What's going on before we get to
the nostalgia. Well, your man

944
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,960
Broner. You know, he was
out for quite a while. He has

945
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,960
had a lot of his own issues
outside, more legal problems than fights.

946
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,800
Let's just say recently. Yes,
when I say the problems, I'm not

947
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,400
referring to his nickname of the problem. He just had a lot of troubles

948
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,519
in boxing, a lot of stuff
outside the ring. But he did sign

949
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:08,960
with Don King. He did come
back and have a fight in June.

950
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:13,360
He got a win at walterweight.
He won a ten round decision, almost

951
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,440
a shutout against Bill Hutchinson. Kind
of surprised he didn't get the knockout,

952
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,400
but so be it. So he's
coming back for his second fight. When

953
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,599
I had seen Adrian and talked to
in person when I was out in Las

954
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:27,559
Vegas at the I guess it was
the I can't here if it was the

955
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:30,159
errols Spence fight, and I guess
it was. I guess it was the

956
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:32,760
spenceon Crawford fight in July and I
spent I spent a little time talking to

957
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,199
Adrian and he told me he was
gonna be back in October. That has

958
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:37,960
been pushed back. He will be
back. They Don King, his promoter,

959
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,039
announced this over the weekend November the
fourth, same location as he had

960
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,880
the Hutchinson fight, at the Casino
Miami Highlight in Miami, Flartiso. As

961
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:51,360
our Southwest correspondent or Southeast correspondent,
I should say for big fight weekend,

962
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,280
I expect you to be on handwriting. He wanted me to be at the

963
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:59,119
Miami Highlight. So he will go
into the ring for this fight and he

964
00:57:59,199 --> 00:58:02,760
will take on a fellow Cincinnati fighter, Chris Howard, not a well known

965
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,840
guy, eighteen two and one with
eighteen knockouts. By the way, he's

966
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,159
won four fights in a row.
But is that competition has been very,

967
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,400
very low level. But you know
they're doing the right thing. Don King

968
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,000
is trying to bring Browner back to
more prominence and they got to get him

969
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,760
some activity, get him some confidence, get him some wins, and that's

970
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,519
exactly what they're doing. So you
know, Adrian Browner, listen. I

971
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,320
give him respect for continuing to work
at it. I mean, he's had

972
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:29,880
a difficult moments. A lot of
the problems have been brought on by himself.

973
00:58:30,039 --> 00:58:31,519
So it's not like I feel sorry
for him, But he's trying to

974
00:58:31,559 --> 00:58:36,559
pick himself up by the bootstraps and
and and get back to doing what he

975
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:38,239
does, which is to be a
professional boxer. And if him takes some

976
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,440
of these types of fights to get
back in the groove and see if he

977
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,440
can, uh, you know,
do something before his career is over,

978
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,360
you no good for him. He
is still only thirty four. I mean

979
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,360
he's maybe an old thirty four because
he hasn't really treated his career with a

980
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,000
lot of respect and hasn't taken care
of himself and has obviously done a lot

981
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:58,960
of bad, dopey things outside the
ring, you know that have costing time

982
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,320
in jail and things like that,
financial problems or whatever. But you know

983
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,760
what, I give him credit.
He's you know, he's trying what can

984
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,880
I say, all right, nostalgia
time. And it is, bro what's

985
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,599
up with that? There's one of
us that cares about Adrian Boner fighting anymore,

986
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,559
especially against a guy that's a lawyer
by day. And now some guy

987
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:17,440
named Chris Howard. You can keep
up with that, have fun, knock

988
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,559
yourself out. Let's move on to
the nostalgia. You like that, I'm

989
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:27,320
coming strong. Canell Lettle and Triple
G. Mexican Independence Day weekend has been

990
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,960
littered with Canelo Triple G fights,
all three of them as a matter of

991
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:35,440
fact, including the most recent one
a year ago at this time. So

992
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:39,119
wax nostalgic about these just one more
time, real quick. So yeah,

993
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:43,239
all three of the fights were all
at the team Obile Arena in Las Vegas.

994
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:47,159
The first one took place six years
ago on this Saturday, that just

995
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,800
happened yesterday as we tape this.
The rematch took place five years ago on

996
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:57,599
this past Friday, and the third
fight took place one year ago Sunday,

997
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,440
the day that we're taping us.
All of them clustered on the se Mexican

998
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,119
Independence Day weekend, all of them
at the Timolareena in Las Vegas. I

999
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,719
was fortunate enough to be a ringside
for all three of them to cover that

1000
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:12,559
trilogy and their careers, you know, very closely, and I think that

1001
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:15,119
that trilogy will be looked back upon
more. I mean, people know the

1002
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:20,440
controversy of the first fight and that's
never gonna fade. I mean even to

1003
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,400
this day. They talked about the
controversy of whatever fight you want to mention

1004
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:27,239
that's controversial. We talked about it
last week on the podcast with Pernol Whittaker

1005
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,599
and Julio saysar Chabas, you want
to talk about, you know, any

1006
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:35,079
any fight where there's been controversy.
But this trilogy as a whole is gonna

1007
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,320
define, in my opinion, a
certain part of this era because those were

1008
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,719
the first two fights anywhere, all
time great fights. The third fight and

1009
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,280
this is like every trilogy pretty much
with rare exception. You know, there

1010
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:51,000
are exceptions Vasquez Marquez, even though
they fought four times, you know,

1011
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:53,400
Boll holy Field, all three were
awesome, but there's always one that's sort

1012
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,119
of like, I was the a
stinker, but not as not on the

1013
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:00,840
same level as the other fights for
this trilogy. That was the fight that

1014
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,039
was one year ago, the third
fight when Gnadi Glofkin moved up to the

1015
01:01:05,039 --> 01:01:08,239
super middleweight division to challenge Canello for
the undisputed title, and Canello whipped him

1016
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,440
and did so with a bum hand. And Gnadi has not fought yet.

1017
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:14,880
He's kind of gone out with a
whimper. It feels like he's going to

1018
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,960
retire, even though he's never made
that statement. So but but that was

1019
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:22,639
a fight that, even even if
it was kind of like spoiled milk or

1020
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:24,559
past its sell by date, however
you want to describe it, it had

1021
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:29,280
to happen just for the sake of
closure. But the first two fights are

1022
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,320
what people will remember for a long
time because the first fight was sensational,

1023
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:38,320
unfortunately marred by the ridiculous draw because
of one of the scores was so absurdly

1024
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,519
wide in favor of Canelo that even
Canello and his own people like Oscar dale

1025
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:46,480
Oya, you know, pretty much
disavowed that score. So that was a

1026
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,960
problem. But it was a great
fight. And then the second fight,

1027
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:52,800
Canello got up by the slimmest of
Margins in a fight that many of us

1028
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:57,679
at ringside thought either Glove can won, I mean sorry that that yeah,

1029
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:00,199
that glove or was a draw,
and as it I thought it was a

1030
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,119
draw. That was a legitra on
my mind. So they obviously they had

1031
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:07,599
the third fight, but the trilogy
is also littered with their their friendship and

1032
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,400
respect for one another going into the
first fight, where they talked about how

1033
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,760
when we're retired, we can see
our kids playing together. To going into

1034
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,440
the second fight, because there was
so much acrimony and bad blood because Canello

1035
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:24,159
had failed the drug test that caused
the fight to be postponed and him to

1036
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:30,559
take a suspension for you know,
testing positive for clembuterol, a test which,

1037
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:31,719
by the way, if he took
it today would not result in a

1038
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:37,840
foul test because the Watter code has
changed the level you're allowed to having your

1039
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,559
system. So that was kind of
a paper tiger, if you will.

1040
01:02:40,639 --> 01:02:45,800
But nonetheless it created a lot of
problems with Ganati and it turned into like

1041
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:50,519
a very raging, bitter rivalry,
and so they put on the second fight,

1042
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:55,039
another tremendous battle, and you know, all the all world title fights,

1043
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,239
the first two for middleweight titles,
unified, third fight, like I

1044
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,119
mentioned on dispute, and people ask
me on Twitter and asked me all the

1045
01:03:01,159 --> 01:03:04,159
time, howd you have the fights? Because I covered all three of them.

1046
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:06,360
I mean, yet if I didn't, I would still have watched my

1047
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,880
television and rendered my own scoring.
So as much as people know, I

1048
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:13,119
like Canello and I'm a fan of
Canelos and think the world of him as

1049
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:19,599
a fighter. The reality is this
to me, Gnati Glofkin, is that

1050
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,559
the trilogy should be one one and
one because I thought Gnati, like most

1051
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:28,960
people, clearly was the winner in
the first fight. I scored the second

1052
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,480
fight, they draw, and Canello
wins the third fight. So for me,

1053
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:36,880
it's one one and one, and
the actual official record records it as

1054
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,320
two wins, no losses, and
one draw in favor of Canello. And

1055
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,400
unfortunately Gnati, I think a lot
of people would view his career differently had

1056
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,320
he had his hand raise on the
night where he deserved to have his hand

1057
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,079
raised. And by the way,
this in Mexican Independence Day weekend littered with

1058
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:58,760
all kinds of title fights, including
the anniversary on Monday is Dalea Joya Trinidad

1059
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:02,519
as well, which speaking of Oscar
dal La Joya, he still regrets now

1060
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,760
a quarter of a century later,
that he didn't finish that fight off.

1061
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,280
He's still talking about that I saw
four years ago. I mean, that's

1062
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,039
amazing. It's I mean, he
basically fought a brilliant eight or nine round

1063
01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:18,400
fight and then didn't try to win
any of the last three rounds, and

1064
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:21,400
lo and behold, here would go
with scoring again, it ends up it

1065
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:25,719
ends up costing him so but you
could have gone it several different ways.

1066
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,519
Besides just the trilogy of Canelo and
Triple G, there've been a lot of

1067
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,440
great fights. This weekend talked about
just for a minute on Deloyer Trinida out.

1068
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,519
That was just before my time of
writing about professional boxing. But obviously

1069
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:36,239
I was a boxing fan and I
was covering other sports and watched that,

1070
01:04:38,519 --> 01:04:41,559
you know. Unfortunately they never had
a rematch, I mean though was talked

1071
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,599
about many, many times the Trinidad's
camp and Don King, who was Trinidads

1072
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:48,119
per Their perspective was just take the
original contract from the first fight and flip

1073
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:53,679
the numbers, and Deloya still felt
like I'm the attraction bigger than you,

1074
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,519
even though I lost, you know, controversially, I may add that we're

1075
01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,199
not going to do it that way. So they talked about it. It

1076
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,000
just never came to the pas.
Don King and Bob Aaron could never make

1077
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:04,079
the deal. That was still when
Bob was promoting Oscar Deloya. But the

1078
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,880
thing about it was, you want
to talk about, like Canello a Triple

1079
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:10,280
Get that we're talking about their first
fight lived up to the billing. It

1080
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,400
was a tremendous fight. Fight of
your candidate, second fight, great fight.

1081
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,800
Uh, you know, it lived
up to what they advertised. Deloy

1082
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,199
at Trinidad was supposed to be a
spectacular fight. They were both welterweight champions.

1083
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,559
Oscar had the WBC title, Tito
was the long reigning IBM champion.

1084
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,840
It was supposed to be, you
know, as Mexico or Mexico America versus

1085
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,320
Puerto Ricans, as the Mexican nationals
would talk about, you know, we're

1086
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:34,679
going to adopt Oscar for this fight. They were both young in their twenties,

1087
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:38,400
you know, in there in there, in their midsh twenties. I

1088
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,719
mean, it had everything you wanted
to see in a big megafight, and

1089
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:45,280
the hoopla around it was gigantic,
and unfortunately the fight did not live up

1090
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,880
to the expectations. That said,
however, it still turned out to be

1091
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,880
at the time, the biggest selling
non heavyweight pay per view in history.

1092
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:58,639
It did one point four million buys. That was an extraordinary number and still

1093
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:00,239
even to this day, doing one
point or million is nothing to sneeze out,

1094
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,239
even though several fights have surpassed that
over the years. But that's still

1095
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:08,519
one of the highest selling pay per
views, particularly for non heavyweights, and

1096
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:15,639
it really unfortunately defined a lot about
Oscar, about losing controversial and Trinidad getting

1097
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:17,760
the win in that fight. You
know, there are other fights and maybe

1098
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,920
Oscar, maybe some people think he
should have lost, but he got the

1099
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,280
win. Kind of everything sort of
evens out. I guess cosnically, but

1100
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,199
this was one of those nights where
Oscar deserved that victory. It's still amazing

1101
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,920
that they didn't fight again. They
could not ever come together to fight.

1102
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,599
It's amazing, but that never happened. Here we are Toscar went on and

1103
01:06:36,719 --> 01:06:40,559
you know, moved up and waited
and had other big fights separated from Aram.

1104
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:43,760
Trinidad went on a different direction.
You know what you mentioned about the

1105
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,440
Mexican in the Men's Day Weekend.
Another fight that the anniversary is coming up

1106
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,719
on Monday is when Oscar went to
middleweight and challenged had the balls to challenge

1107
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:57,000
the then undisputed champion Bernard Hopkins.
Now that was actually the first ever four

1108
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,360
belt unification fight in the history of
the four belt era, because at the

1109
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,360
time, nobody really said you had
to have the WBO to be undisputed.

1110
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:06,920
Bernard had the other three titles,
but Oscar had the WBO belt, which

1111
01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,119
he had won in his previous fight, and a double header with Bernard in

1112
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:15,920
a somewhat controversial decision that he took
against Felix Sturm, but he entered that

1113
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:18,519
fight. He had two middleweight fights
in his career, one against Sturm where

1114
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:23,519
he got that belt gift that they're
not and the one against Bernard where he

1115
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,519
gave by the way people thought Bernard
was gonna absolutely destroy him, and he

1116
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,280
gave Bernard a very, very credible
fight for most of that fight, and

1117
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,679
he was in the fight and he
got hit with the body shot and got

1118
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,280
stopped. But Mexican Independence Day weekend
is littered with huge fights. There's another

1119
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:42,360
fight, the rematch between Meldrick Taylor
and Julio Saysar Chavez was on this weekend

1120
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,239
back in the day in nineteen ninety
four, what twenty nine years ago.

1121
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:48,320
Of course, the first fights is
super famous, one of the legendary fights

1122
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,039
of all time. By the time
they fought the second time, Meldrick was

1123
01:07:51,079 --> 01:07:55,679
pretty much done and and Chavez,
you know, beat him up and stopped

1124
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,400
them in the eighth round. You
know when they waited for him to be

1125
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:01,039
completely finished before they actually a second
time. But again it was a big

1126
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:04,920
Deltrinidad fought on that undercard back when
the big undercards were loaded with big time

1127
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:09,360
fights. But yeah, there's there's
just chapter and verse of big time fights

1128
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,480
on this weekend, no doubt.
By the way, another one, the

1129
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:19,439
rematch between Oscar and Chavez, was
on this weekend back speaking of bloody messages,

1130
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,319
that was a literal bloody mess too. That was nineteen When was that?

1131
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,640
That was the fall of nineteen ninety
eight. There you go, man,

1132
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,399
Yes, a lot of a lot
of nostalgia in and around this week

1133
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,079
or this weekend. Great stuff.
It has been a busy show. We've

1134
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:40,119
covered everything from Mauricio Suleiman going back
and forth with you about cowboys and New

1135
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:45,600
York Giants, recaps of title fights, ericson lubin on this podcast, fight

1136
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,399
news, fight nostalgia. You get
it all, peeps. If you enjoy

1137
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,319
it, make sure you're following,
subscribing on Apple Podcasts, Google podcast,

1138
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:56,760
Spotify. We come off the weekend
with the Fight Freaks Unite recap. Again,

1139
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,920
we've got the Japanese title fights that
have already taken place. By the

1140
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:02,119
time you're hearing this, that are
on Monday morning, so we've got that

1141
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:05,319
going. But usually we get the
fight previews to you, and we did

1142
01:09:05,399 --> 01:09:09,239
preview those fights back on Friday.
Hopefully you were with us on Friday when

1143
01:09:09,239 --> 01:09:13,520
we released the preview podcast. We
preview on Friday, we recap coming off

1144
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,039
the weekend? Anything else? Are
we all good? Are we good and

1145
01:09:15,119 --> 01:09:17,600
done? Yeah? I mean we're
getting into now. It's gonna be getting

1146
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,119
busy. I mean we've had,
like, you know, a couple of

1147
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:21,840
weeks where there wasn't huge mats of
fights. Even this past weekend wasn't like

1148
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,560
loaded, but we got a lot
of stuff coming up. I mean,

1149
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,960
oh yeah, I haven't mentioned it. Knello. You spoke to Canello recently.

1150
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,199
Canello on the preview pod coming later
this week. They need to follow

1151
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:36,840
and subscribe. They'll hear from Canelo
the week before the Canello Charlo fight.

1152
01:09:38,199 --> 01:09:41,319
Yeah, you're gonna hear dance conversation
with him. And we've got some good

1153
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,159
fights to talk about. I mean, you've got the rematch coming up on

1154
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:46,760
the weekend with Zang July against Joe
Joyce. Plenty to talk about on the

1155
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:51,399
preview, got what I think is
a pretty interesting matchup on the Zone later

1156
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:56,000
that night, because of course Zan
July and Joe will take place in London,

1157
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,760
so that'll be in in a late
afternoon. But in the evening you

1158
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,800
got the Zone Fight with the main
event of Richardson Hitchins against Jose Zapeta.

1159
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:05,000
You know that's that's sort of a
big step up for Hitchings, but uh,

1160
01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,800
you know, we all know Zapeta
as a warrior and then involved with

1161
01:10:09,159 --> 01:10:13,079
tons of top guys and that's a
pretty good main event and some other of

1162
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,439
the up and comers, and you
know women's title fight with McCaskill and Sandy

1163
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,520
Ryan. Anyway, we're getting back
into the groove and then of course the

1164
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:23,359
week after TJ Vegas Baby for the
big one, Vegas for you, for

1165
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,239
Canello and Charlow. Looking forward to
all of it. Dan, have a

1166
01:10:27,279 --> 01:10:30,439
great week, Thank you as always, great stuff, including with the nostalgia.

1167
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,359
We'll be reading you on your substack
as well as Big Fight weekend dot

1168
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:34,560
com with the news. Thank you, sir, you got him. I'm

1169
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,119
in He's smiling here to hear for
a lot of reasons, including its giants

1170
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:41,399
getting a win my Buccaneers or two
and now by the way too, they'll

1171
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:44,680
be on Monday Night Football next week
either we're on Thursday Night Football. How

1172
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,279
about that? So lots of football, lots of boxing. You got it

1173
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:50,279
all here on the program, including
ericson lu been fighting has us Ramos Again?

1174
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,840
Follow or subscribe to the Big Fight
Weekend podcast You get the Fight Freaks

1175
01:10:55,960 --> 01:11:00,520
Unite recap coming off the weekend every
weekend for Dan Raphael. I'm J Reeves.

1176
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,359
Thanks for being with us m HM.