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All those Hello everyone, today we
have this interesting topic which is which starts

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us Tulsa massacree doesn't see color?
Apparently, Oklahoma sperintendence says, let's know,

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TIChE to skin color. He says
that racism is not to blame for

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the infamous Tulsa massacree. And this
story you can find it on the description

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of this It was written by Matthew
Chapman in rosstory dot com Oklahommada Superintendent.

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Still, according to this guy,
yes, let's let's be clear. According

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to this human to call it one
way, the Tulsa massacree, also known

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as the Tulsa race massacree, was
not about race. Cynthia, have you

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heard about this topic and what do
you think about those words? I want

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to know your your point of view. Yes, well, I think that

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one of the good things that we
should do before we really get into the

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discussion is kind of give people a
background on the Tulsa masked her if they

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are not aware. So back in
nineteen twenty one and Tulsa, there was

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a all black district named Greenwood District
that was actually inhabited with mostly black people.

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It was called black Wall Street because
these was a self sustaining community filled

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with banks, schools, doctor's offices, dentists, shops, you name it.

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Everything that a township could use in
order to be sustainable was there,

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and also did business with other organizations
overseas. Now, one day, back

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in the day, there was a
shoeshine person named Dick Roland who happened to

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share an elevator with a white woman
named Sarah Pate. While they were in

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the elevator, Sarah screamed and then
went to the authorities and told them that

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Dick Roland tried to assaulter. Now, this was not true, and the

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Tulsa police actually went and put him
in jail. And then there were white

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towners in Tulsa that went to the
jailhouse and demanded Dick to be handed over

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to him. They the actual police
in Tulsa, refused, and there were

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other people, specifically black serviceman X
servicemen from World War One that came to

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the police station to actually defend they
released Dick. The police released Dick to

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the black soldiers, but brought him
back to Greenwood District where the township around

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them in Tulsa, specifically the white
township, was extremely angry. They went

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into Greenwood District and burned it down
and murdered over three hundred people in that

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particular place. People would think that
in nine to eleven that was the first

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time that moms what planes were like
flown into buildings. That's not true.

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Planes were actually flown into houses,
schools, churches, and other businesses during

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the Tulsa master And this was done
a hundred because of race. So with

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that being said, I would love
to get you guys as thoughts on Superintendent

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to Walters trying to introduce revisionist history, Aaron, please share this guy.

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This guy really confuses me, and
a lot of people that share his views

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really confused me. I'm not sure
what they're doing or what they're gaining by

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trying to omit race from the discussion, especially from an event that is so

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obviously racially motivated and racially charged.
The day after he made his original comments,

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he was interviewed by a new station
there in Oklahoma, and he kind

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of walked back what he said and
claimed that he always said that the race

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riot was even that it was a
horrn thing that we should and that it

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should be definitely be taught. And
then but then he still is firmly in

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the camp of not wanting to bring
up skin color when talking about it.

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Um, Yeah, I have a
hard time talking about because what are they

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What are these people trying to avoid? Do they feel guilty and they just

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don't want they just can't manage their
guilt when when when they think about it,

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do they feel like it's their fault
and they just they just want to

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avoid any bad feelings. Do they
not want their kids to feel responsible?

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I mean, obviously you're not responsible
for something that happened one hundred years ago,

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but as something that we can learn
from, Yeah, I'm just confused

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by him and a lot of other
people that hold the same view. But

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they just don't want to see things
from the way if you want. But

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I'm sure this is closely tied to
this idea of the seven mountains that specific

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Christian groups want to achieve in the
USA. Among those, you can find

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politics, you can find education,
And this is going to directly with education.

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They want to change the history of
the USA. They want to hide

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facts that happened. They want to
say that things that really happened didn't happen.

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And this is directly related to them. How it's called they changes in

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education that they're making now. They
are stopping anything that could be called quotation

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mark progressive, such as, um
oh, what is the name? Critical

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race theory? They want to avoid
that because how do they they're teaching people

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what happened in the past, Everything
related to sexual education because how do they

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they're want to protect their children from
abusive pastors, everything related to you know,

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trans rights, because how do they
there to admit that people are people.

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But this happened only because somebody asked
him, because this guy what is

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the name of the guy? They
thank you, Cynthia. This guy was

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talking against, you know, against
critical race theory, and somebody asked if

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the if if talking about I mean, if removing everything related to skin color

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would mean that they wouldn't have to
talk about the racism that was that happened

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in the Black Wall Street massacrey of
Tulsa. And that's where he said,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, let's let's tie

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let's not tie to a skin color. And this has nothing to do with

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that. And I think that this
guy lies lies to the face of people

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because they are so sure that they
will be able to change the understanding of

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people from history because we have checked
in previous episodes, if you're a teacher

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and you dare to talk about racism
and talk against racism, you're going to

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get fired immediately right away. And
this guy, he's living the future already,

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he's living. He's living his life
as if he was a student from

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nowadays education in the USA, which
is cribbing because he knows that teachers will

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not be able to tell the truth
to the students because they are going to

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get fired. Luckily, we are
not teachers, and we can actually tell

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people what happens. We can talk
about the many ways. How we know

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that all the old happened in Tulsa
was based on racism. Uh, there

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is there is a page called tools
a history dot org. You can go

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there and you can check a lot
of information about what happened there. And

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this was made by the Tulsa Historical
Society Museum. But you can go to

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History dot com, ABC News dot
go, Oh, I have se The

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Garden dot com has several several articles
about what happened over there. The Smithsonian

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smith it's hard for me to pronounce
it. Yes, yes, yes,

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Smithsonian magazine. Yeah, Smithsonian dot
com. You can go there and you

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can check the history and study on
your own. People check it. Maybe

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this guy should go, should follow
my advice and should study uh and stop

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lying to people on their faces and
learn how racial segregation happened back there.

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How all this was motivated by a
lie, a Cynthia sa and the lie

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the only thing that did was to
spark you know, they already usn hatred

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towards the black people. That's that's
why we have so many things that happened

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over there. You know, their
violence was one sided, a wide mouth,

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a William power and attacking a vulnerable
African American community that had no way

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of defending themselves. And after I
have to I'm sorry, I do have

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to chime in because in actual the
um there was, that particular township was

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full of ex soldiers that were in
World War One. Yes, yes,

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well, yes it was full of
ex soldiers and they did defend themselves,

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they did. But the difference was
that the um and this is the reason

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why we talk about racism being systemic, because the the actual police force in

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that area at that time actually deputized
citizen to actually become law enforcement, so

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they could actually take up arms against
that township as well, so that's the

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reason why I know that some people
would say that they didn't defend themselves.

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No, that's not true. They
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police, if it was just the
police force that tried to quell that particular

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township, only they were lost.
So that's the reason why they deputize other

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angry white people in that area,
specifically around Greenwood District, in order for

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them to go ahead and just burn
it down. But I wanted to bring

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up a point, and then Aaron, I wanted you to um time in

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a bit that. Um. I
don't know if any of you, because

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like Tail, you brought up critical
race theory. I don't know if any

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of you ever heard Marjorie Taylor Green
describe or define critical race theory while she

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when she used to be part of
the Freedom Caucus on the Hill. Has

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anybody heard her say what it was? Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure

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it was something terrible. Well,
Aaron correct, Please correct me. I

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don't know about correction, but I
will tell what she said. And I

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do believe that this is a sentiment
that is shared by most of the people

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that think like her, is that
critical race theory actually teaches white children to

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hate themselves and to feel guilty and
to lift black children up. Don't believe

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me, people, look it up
yourself. C Span has all the archives

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of Congress people when they are in
committee and they're doing here, and this

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is exactly what she said. I
may be paraphrasing a bit, but this

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is how she defines critical race theory. But that is not critical race theory

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now, is it, Aaron.
No. Critical race theory is a graduate

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level area of study that means you
have to go through four years in college

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to get a bachelor's degree, and
then go through for three more years to

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get a master's degree. And then
if people like you and he have good

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things to say, then you can
start talking to people about critical race theory.

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And the reason why it's become such
a buzzword in in people's rhetoric nowadays

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is because that's what that's what the
right, that's what people in the right

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wanta. They want it to be
something that gets people up in arms,

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that critical race theory. It's teaching
white people to be ashamed of being white

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and that black people are better.
No is a study of how race affects

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our society and how it's built into
our systems of our justice systems, employment,

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and other things like that, because
there's no way it doesn't have an

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impact one hundred years ago, when
you have three hundred black people die in

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the Tulsa race massacre, riot massacre, there's no there's no way that doesn't

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affect your society, that doesn't affect
the people your society and your criminal justiceystem

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and all those kinds of things.
So, no, CRT is not teaching

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white people to be ashamed of themselves. It's helping us understand our society,

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why it is the way it is, and what we can do to make

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it better and more equal for all
people. You know, I do want

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to point out something because, like
Teo, you did allude to this specifically

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about the superintendent walking back his comment
consigning what he said that the Tulsa massacre

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was not about skin color. One
of the things that he said is that

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when he was asked about on Fox
twenty five specifically what he said at the

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previous thing, when he was asked
specifically, can something like this be taught

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or do you denounce that a CRT, he said, I would never tell

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a kid that because of your race, color or your skin, gender,

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or anything like that you are less
of a person or inherently racist. That

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doesn't mean you don't judge the actions
of individuals. Oh you can. Absolutely,

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Historically you should. That was right, This was wrong. They did

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this for a reason. But to
say it was inherent because of their skin

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is where I say that is critical
race theory. You saying that a race

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defines a person. I reject that, Tao. When you hear that,

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what is mulling around in your cartoon
brain? Yeah, I mean, Jude,

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that is what we've got race serious
about. What it's not saying that

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because of your color you're different on
all of that. It's just explaining what

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happened in the past and how people
were discriminated in past. So this guy

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is a work in contradiction. Now
it's not a working contradiction. He just

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lies to the face of people and
then tries to excuse himself. Or maybe

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or maybe, okay, let's let's
be fair. Maybe he's just extremely ignorant

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and has no idea what critical race
theory is all about. Just maybe.

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So this is the reason why we
need to teach history in schools, because

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obviously we have a whole Superintendent of
education in Oklahoma, that don't know what

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the hell he's talking about. What
you're talking about, Walter's what you're talking

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about. And the thing about it
is that if I had a chance to

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sit down with Walt and said,
you know what, race and skin color

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are not completely the economists of one
another when race was invented, because this

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is completely a made up social construct
and has nothing to do with science,

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biology or the like. It is
completely made up. One of the characteristics

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was the hue of your skin,
and we even have reference to that.

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I don't know, if you all
ever heard of the paperback test, has

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an I don't know, I tail
if you've heard of the paperback test,

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have you hearing describe it? Well? The paperback test was what the paperback

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test was that if you were at
or darker than the um than the color

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of a paperbag, that you were
not allowed entry in to an establish That's

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the that's the paperback test. So
you know, and and this is and

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this happens to be a an outlier. Were not necessarily an outlier, but

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it is a product of racism.
So to completely divorce yourself from skin color

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to uh to race, where we
even get raced from the first place.

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I is completely disingenuous. And I
have to say to this particular person that

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when you if you are trying to
water down or even try to you know,

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move the goalposts, which is a
fallacy concerning this particular topic. When

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we're talking about a massacre, and
like I said, it was not the

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only one, America had over almost
two hundred of them, then you cannot

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completely you can't just say that we're
just going to divorce skin color or what

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have your or even race from this
when in every instance of a massacre that

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had to do with the Black Township, the foundational reason why it happened was

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because a race and that sensibility is
now baked into our institutions, into our

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systems. And we know that not
by because one group feels victimized, or

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if they feel debased or they feel
like they want to play victim. It's

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because we have data in history to
back that up. And it is unfortunate

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that we are here now and that
we have to continuously debunk these insidious and

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silly talking points that we have coming
from people who have been elected into their

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position elected. I do believe that
the superintendent was elected to uh into his

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particular position. I don't necessarily think. Yeah, so Oklahoma patterns, let

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me highlight you. You have some
explaining to do, and you have some

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thinking to do about who you choose
to represent yourself. And I want to

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know anything else that you want to
add aaron to that whole. Yeah,

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I um, it doesn't. It
doesn't have to be overt overt, you

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know, violent racism to be a
problem. There are really subtle ways that

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it affects us, you know,
Yeah, how could it not affect us?

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This our country was found on the
fact that black people count as three

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quarters of a person. Yeah,
that was okay to enslave people. How

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could it not affect you? Even
though it's almost two hundred years ago,

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it's going to affect you. And
and it's not, like I said,

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it's not always overtly. Like when
Kodak, the maker of film for photography,

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that you might have noticed if if
you were black and taking pictures with

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film, black people didn't look very
good in in pictures because all the reference

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people they used in developing their film
were white, and the white people look

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good, but the black people.
Did you know? It wasn't nobody set

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out you know, to make it
that way. It just kind of happened

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that way. And it's those kind
of subtle things and that are also that

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are also part of the of the
problem. But of course race is an

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issue in the United States. Yeah
and yeah, yeah, but people are

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trying to erase their own history like
this, and that ends up with people

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saying such such ignoral lice and you
know, lyne to everybody else out there

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listening to them. And these are
people who are supposed to know what they're

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talking about, and they don't.
It's extremely sad. The US say,

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I keep saying it, The U
say scares me more and more every single

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day, and even more now that
they are making sure that all children have

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the same amount of knowledge that this
guy had when he made that comment.

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That is zero, no education at
all, and that is the scariest hill.

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Yeah, and and I just wanted
to just add to the conversation,

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just to kind of just tie this
all up in a bow, that there's

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still three survivors of the Tulsa massacre
that are still alive today. They are

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in their one hundreds, and they
recently tried to bring up a lawsuit in

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order for them to seek repair and
reparations for what has happened to them because

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they were displaced as children, and
the judge over that was presented with that

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particular case dismissed it. Why they're
gonna appeal and I hope the appellate process

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will work. And if you guys
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