WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:07.480 It's nice eyes. I'm going easy Boston's News Radio. In those roles I 2 00:00:07.519 --> 00:00:11.599 took, as many of you know, before I was elected as Vice president, 3 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:16.039 before I was elected as United States Senator, I was the elected attorney 4 00:00:16.079 --> 00:00:18.320 general, as I've mentioned at California, and before that, I was a 5 00:00:18.359 --> 00:00:23.120 courtroom prosecutor. In those roles, I took on perpetrators of all kinds, 6 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:34.759 Predators who abused women, rodsters who ripped off consumers, cheeters who broke the 7 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:41.119 rules for their own game. So hear me when I say I know Donald 8 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:49.840 Trump's type, and in this campaign, I will proudly I will proudly put 9 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:55.719 my record against his. But does it matter? Welcome back Nightside, Gary 10 00:00:55.759 --> 00:01:00.679 tag William for Dan Ray Dave, all your logos choices a day from Suffolk 11 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.599 University. He is the leader of Political Research Center over there. Okay, 12 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:10.159 So the reason I played that, Dave is it's the cop against the crook. 13 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.480 That's what I'm going with. That's what we started. But does it 14 00:01:12.599 --> 00:01:19.519 matter? Does it matter? It would? It would matter more if she 15 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:27.480 were prosecuting him, But it the the content in that speech is formulated to 16 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:36.519 make him the incumbent, and the known quantity if if if the the basis 17 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.640 canst up a different minute, that's that was pretty good. I gotta I 18 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.680 gotta patch on a it. So the strategy there is to make her look 19 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:49.640 the like the outsider when she isn't. That's right, Huh, that's right. 20 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:55.239 If if she can shift the focus to Trump and make this about Trump, 21 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:01.359 then she takes the out she postures as the outsider. And his goal 22 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:07.560 is to make Biden Harris you know, in the last three and a half 23 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:12.120 years, the focus of his campaign. So they're both going to be shining 24 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:17.879 the spotlight on each other. Usually, Textbook says, usually the campaigns are 25 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:27.599 about the incumbency. But I've seen some great strategies change that, you know, 26 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:32.479 and shift it to something different. So it's less about, you know, 27 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:38.240 the criminal issues, because she can't get too deep into that because you 28 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:40.919 know what Trump's gonna do. He's gonna say, yeah, this was all 29 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.919 rigged against me, you and Joe, Biden and Loft there and so on. 30 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:50.560 And it looks like those are all going away, right, I mean 31 00:02:50.599 --> 00:02:53.960 it seems that way. I mean yeah, I mean I don't think they're 32 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.319 going to have an impact. I mean, there'll be a sentencing in September. 33 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.919 I doubt jail time is going to happen in that New York DA's case. 34 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:06.840 But I'm not a legal expert, so I just I agree with you. 35 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:12.240 I don't think they're gonna matter. I don't look they're serious. Please 36 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:15.479 do not misunderstand me here. But I just don't see it being a fact. 37 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:20.280 I don't think anybody that is voting for him now is going to change 38 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.319 their mind because of that. That's my point. And then if you're a 39 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.000 Republican, you could say, well, look at the Clintons and Whitewater, 40 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.360 right, I mean, so it goes back and forth. You can toss 41 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:37.199 bombs all day long from one party to the other. But isn't she the 42 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.599 outsider though, because let's face it, when you're vice president, at least 43 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:44.000 the way I saw it on the West Wing, that's what Joe kinda. 44 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.080 The vice president doesn't do anything. I mean, I know she's associated with 45 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:53.520 him, but it's not her policy. She was just doing she was just 46 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.520 being a good team player. Can't you make that argument when you know what 47 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:01.280 Trump's policy is? Sure, but you know, if you play out the 48 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:08.680 chess pieces, Trump has two options. Either he in debate either he makes 49 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:13.240 her an extension of Joe Biden and point blank says well, what did you 50 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:16.600 do as vice president? That forces her into saying, well, I worked 51 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:20.399 arm in arm and hand in hand with this policy and that initiative and this 52 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:27.519 legislative of you know, and then he makes her the incumbent, or he 53 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.399 forces her to say, well, I disagree with the president on this, 54 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.959 but I didn't say anything. I would have done things differently with the president 55 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:38.759 on this issue, but because I was vice president, I didn't say anything. 56 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:48.120 And that potentially is risky because it potentially alienate Biden voters and you know, 57 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.839 who are going to see that as being disloyal or he didn't he didn't 58 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:55.879 listen to her, or she didn't have any credibility. But I mean, 59 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.360 what, yeah, I get that, you know, I really think the 60 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:02.879 way she would win And it goes back to the way we opened up this 61 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:09.079 interview, this discussion is you know, he would say, you know, 62 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:14.639 crooked Joe Biden, or Joe's too old or whatever, and then I think 63 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.920 it comes down to, look, it's it's Kamala Harris, who doesn't have 64 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:24.199 any experience and who ran a terrible campaign. Briefly, in twenty nineteen against 65 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:28.279 a misogynistic pig. I mean, like that's what she should do. That's 66 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:30.399 I mean to me. She comes out and says, Donald Trump, do 67 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:33.560 you want a misogynist to pick for your president? That's where we are, 68 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.680 Dave, you know what I mean. I mean, am I nuts? 69 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.920 But that's the way I see it, And that's sad. No, But 70 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:46.399 we have to figure out does a voter accept misogyny if the quality of their 71 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:53.439 individual lives is better? Or does the or does the voter say I'm struggling, 72 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:57.319 I'm hurting, but I don't want a misogynist, So I'm going to 73 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:00.160 continue to struggle in her for the next four years. Have the perception that 74 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:08.000 life will be better with him. He believes that, right, But do 75 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.319 you feel And I mean, I'm putting you on the spot here because I 76 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:13.639 don't know if you have any numbers, but you know, I guess you 77 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.759 know, because it's all perception. Like you just said to me, Trump 78 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:21.680 has fifteen percent black voters, which blows my mind. That blows my mind 79 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:27.040 because when you look at the Republican Convention, I mean, there's I think 80 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.800 Tim Scott and it's all I just saw a see a white I mean, 81 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:36.279 I didn't see any diversity at that convention. But black voters still feel Trump 82 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:43.800 will help their wallet. Not necessarily, they're voting for him, not necessarily 83 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:49.800 because they they like him. They're voting for him because their situation is so 84 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:55.600 dire, their economic situation is so dire. And by the way, other 85 00:06:55.680 --> 00:07:03.959 polls had Trump higher than Dean. Okay, so we had him, you 86 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.279 know, we had him in the mid teens, both in Michigan. We 87 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:12.040 interviewed five hundred black voters Michigan and five hundred Pennsylvania. Was the best data 88 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:16.199 available that's out there to this day. Other polls, national polls had him 89 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:21.240 in the twenties. That's just that's you know again, you know, it's 90 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:27.519 all, it's all the perception. Were things that better when he was president 91 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.600 or things just this bad now under Biden. You know what's funny is in 92 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:40.120 the favorability Biden and Trump were both like unfavorable fifty seven percent, almost identical. 93 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:44.199 And then when you look at and then when you ask the same people 94 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.959 job approval for Trump when he was president versus job approval for Biden, that's 95 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:56.639 where the rubber hit the road and more people said life four years ago was 96 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:01.079 better. Whether it's true or not, it's debatable than it is now. 97 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.920 Well, yeah, because and I'm not you don't have to comment on this, 98 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:07.680 but I'll comment. I mean, look, COVID the pandemic hit, 99 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:11.399 and he screwed it up. I mean, and I don't I don't know 100 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.720 how anybody would have handled it, but I want to I want to believe 101 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:20.839 that a more sane person would have listened to Fauci a little bit more and 102 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.759 would have recognized it. There was a greater sense of urgency as opposed to 103 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:28.000 being worried about corporate America and saying, there's no problem here, there's no 104 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.639 problem here, just you know, maybe we'll get some bleach and we'll fix 105 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:33.519 it. You know. That's the type of stuff where I go, oh 106 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.480 my god, and then not to mention January sixth, and I go, 107 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:39.159 oh my god, because I will tell you this right now, Dave, 108 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:45.960 I was with I was on vacation with my cousin the first time when Trump 109 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:48.240 was running against Hillary, and he was I think he was in Alabama. 110 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.879 And I've told this story before, but it's true. He was originally supposed 111 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.000 to speak inside a small gymneys and three four thousand people, I think, 112 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.919 And then he ended up in a football stadium of thirty five thousand, and 113 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:03.240 I was listening on CNN and I said, this guy's going to win. 114 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.639 It doesn't matter what he says. I've never seen anything like it, or 115 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:15.039 maybe I just haven't recognized it, but I mean, he the fact I 116 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:16.320 mean, you must be sick. I don't think you do fact checking. 117 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.519 You must be sick of the fact checking, because now after he does a 118 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.840 speech or the fact checking is off the charts, does that show up in 119 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:28.519 the polls at all? Again, I'll take you back to the emotional response. 120 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.000 What's true or what is and true? People don't have time to do 121 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:37.720 their own research, and they don't want to because they hate politics and they 122 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:45.240 hate the political parties. So it's about what hits them emotionally. You know, 123 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.720 Trump did a speech today. I didn't see the whole thing. I 124 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:54.440 saw some excerpts, but it struck me. You know, he said repeatedly 125 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.480 how Kamala Harris is a radical and extreme left and all this, And it 126 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:03.679 struck me because in the exit polls four years ago, Trump lost moderates by 127 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:13.399 thirty points. Thirty points sixty four to thirty four. Wow. And it 128 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.639 was clear to me it was you know, I don't you know, I'm 129 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.360 cynical. I think everything that's done is pole driven, right, But it 130 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:24.759 was clear to me that he was trying to position himself. He wanted the 131 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.159 middle and the right, and he's willing to give her the left. And 132 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.879 that's that's I think what he was testing today. He's trying to take that 133 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:39.960 middle ground because if he loses by thirty points among moderates to Kamala Harris, 134 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.200 he's going to lose again. Yeah, he's going to lose. Yeah. 135 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:48.639 Dave Pellio Logos is with some Suffolk University of the Suffolk University Political Research Center. 136 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.000 I want to if you get hang on one more time, Dave, 137 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:56.440 I really appreciate your time. I'm going to get into polling just in general 138 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.399 and the nuts and bolts and the impact on it and what if fact it 139 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.720 does have on a race. That's all coming up next here on wbz's Nightside. 140 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:11.039 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nightside Studios on WBZ 141 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:13.679 News Radio. Okay, welcome back, every tank away for Dan Ray tonight 142 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:16.759 here on Nightside. Joining us in one more segment. Dave Pally, logos 143 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:26.600 pollster also at Suffolk University University Political Research Center. So when it comes to 144 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.279 what you do, obviously you're very passionate about it. And then when I 145 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:35.000 watch the polls, I will tell you that sometimes I'm just a little bit 146 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:39.759 numb to it. You know, I gotta be honest with you. It's 147 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:45.279 like, you know, my friends who are meteorologists, It's like they've done 148 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.639 the weather five times ago. What's it going to be like again tomorrow? 149 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:56.639 You know, why do you love it so much? I'm addicted to it, 150 00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.919 you know. It's the thing I love about it is the uncertainty and 151 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:13.000 the unpredictability that you can puse something and in an instant everything changes. And 152 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:18.200 that's exactly what's happened this year, from the assassination attempt, from the debate 153 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:26.120 to the assassination attempt, to Biden getting out, And there's a certain attractiveness, 154 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:33.080 there's a certain lure to the unknown, to to the uncertainty, and 155 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.559 to be able to measure it from data point to data point, from one 156 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.519 week to the next week is really cool. And to see what what's moved, 157 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:50.519 what demographics have moved, what factors and circumstances are driving those emotions, 158 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:58.279 and so I like it. You know, when nobody's perfect, we you 159 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:01.360 know, we've gotten some right, we've gotten some wrong, but we work 160 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.679 hard to try and do our best. And there are a lot of good 161 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:07.960 posters out there. And I think, you know, if people look at 162 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:13.320 all the polls and look at the polling averages, they they pretty much will 163 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.360 have a decent idea of what's going on most of the time. So when 164 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:18.320 Biden was talking about the polls, I'm looking at H'm not getting killed? 165 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:26.200 Was he delusional? I think he might have had some internal polling that was 166 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:33.200 very selective, Okay, that he could point to if he was ever called 167 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:39.639 out on it. Right, But this is what George Stephanopoulis kind of said 168 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:43.320 to him in that interview, kind of said, you know, I've never 169 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.039 seen a person with thirty six percent approval win an election, mister President. 170 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:50.480 And he was, you know, trying to joggle him a little bit and 171 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.000 get him to think about that, but he was right, yeah, sure, 172 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.399 well, yeah, of course I mean it with the writing. Look, 173 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:01.480 the writing was on the wall at the debate. To me, I 174 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:03.799 watched the debate and I said it's over. They got to make a move. 175 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:05.000 I mean, it was just writing. I mean, it was just 176 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:07.399 on the wall. It wasn't going to get any better. God bless the 177 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:15.879 man. I mean, you know, so, do polls reflect America or 178 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:20.559 did they drive America? Both? They reflect America in the in the moment. 179 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:26.279 And then I wrote an article a long, long time ago, back 180 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:33.240 in the nineteen nineties in an academic journal that nobody probably ever read except for 181 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:39.200 maybe me and my family. But it's right, and it was very short, 182 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:45.639 and what I basically said back then was that there's a weird circle. 183 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.759 The media demands alla polling numbers, and we conduct polls. Then we give 184 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.000 them the poll numbers, and then they put the poll numbers out, and 185 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:58.840 then the poll numbers impact behavior, and then a week later we go back 186 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.759 in the field and then we met that behavior, and it's this vicious circle 187 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:05.799 that goes round and round and round. And it was kind of a critical 188 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.440 article of polling, but I was writing in as more of a citizen than 189 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.919 as a polster. But the answer to your question is both, we do 190 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:18.879 measure points in time, but they should not be construed as predictive. Even 191 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.480 if you're polling two weeks before an election. As you just said in your 192 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:28.279 intro, it's a twenty four to seven world, and anything can happen in 193 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.039 a two week. The last two weeks. Oh my god, that's what 194 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.759 drives me crazy about this. I don't know if you agree. I disagree. 195 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.279 But when they're saying, we have to make a decision, we have 196 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:37.120 to you know, who's going to be here, We have to get the 197 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.879 money. I wasn't sure what was going to happen because I thought we were 198 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:43.440 going to have a convention, and I was praying for it because it would 199 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.519 have been entertaining as hell. Where we go to the convention, where the 200 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:52.639 Democrats go to the convention, and okay, let's everybody put their best foot 201 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:56.279 forward and let's pick somebody as opposed to anoint Kamala Harris right away, because 202 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.279 oh my god, there's only one hundred days left. There's plenty of time 203 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:04.720 the twenty four to seven news cycle people, there's there's plenty of time. 204 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:08.960 Quite frankly, I think it's better for her because and I'm not saying she's 205 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:12.799 going to but there's less of a chance for her to screw up. If 206 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:17.000 there's a showt amount of time to the to the election, because as we've 207 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:21.159 seen, all it takes is one mess up and you're done. Yeah, 208 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:26.039 you know, and the scrutiny is so very high right now on both sides. 209 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.720 And then you've got the third party candidates and a lot of people haven't 210 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:34.919 really talked about that, but you know, I'm looking at Trump continuing to 211 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:41.480 pull at forty six, and I know to lose, he's she's going to 212 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:47.720 get to forty nine or more. Yeah, that only leaves five percent for 213 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.919 third party candidates. Right now, third party candidates are getting like twelve percent. 214 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.799 God, that should tell people something. So that's something's going to give. 215 00:16:55.840 --> 00:17:00.200 If if if third party candidates combined and there were four of them, 216 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:07.359 if they get six or seven percent, forty seven wins. So you know, 217 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:11.039 and Trump's right there at forty seven. So either this is why the 218 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:17.240 Democratic Committee is working aggressively to knock off these third party candidates and the ballot 219 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:22.039 challenged them everywhere. They have lawsuits going everywhere because they know that the third 220 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:26.759 party candidates potentially come off of the Democrat And that's why Trump was budding up 221 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:32.079 to Kennedy. I think, So, I mean I'm looking at the third 222 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:34.200 party kid. The only third party candidate that hurts Trump has chased all over 223 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:40.119 the libertarian, and the libertarian hurt Trump. In twenty twenty. We know 224 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:47.039 in Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia where the margin of victory of Biden in 225 00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:51.880 those three states was much much less than what the Libertarian got. So we 226 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.920 know that, But we also know that the other three candidates who are third 227 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.759 party candidates come off of Biden, Cornell west Stein, the Green Party candidate, 228 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:06.519 and RFK is taking the young voters, Hispanic voters, and some Independence. 229 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:11.480 So that's well, that hurts Harris. Yeah, it does. It 230 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:17.720 does because Biden won Independence by fifteen I think in twenty twenty, and right 231 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:22.759 now she's not winning Independent. So if Kennedy is siphoning off Independence and Hispanic 232 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:26.640 voters and some young voters, that does come off of Harris. And that's 233 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:32.559 why they're ballot challenging RFK everywhere in Nevada. There's a lawsuit in Nevada, 234 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:34.359 there's a bunch of other things going on, and he's i mean, look, 235 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:37.960 God bless them, God bless him, but he's a little out of 236 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.200 his mind. I mean, you got to say, you know you're sitting 237 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.200 there, you're saying, then you're really not looking at the issues, but 238 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:48.440 in closing and I really appreciate your time, David. I have found this 239 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:53.240 very educational and interesting. It seems to me as we speak right now. 240 00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:02.440 Trump has to screw up. Yeah, I think so. I think so 241 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:10.440 can he veryly, Yes he can, Yes he can. And Harris needs 242 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:18.559 to collect these micro demographics one by one. She's starting to with young voters, 243 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.799 black voters. She's got to work her way to independent women, she's 244 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.160 got to work her way to independent men, moderates. And if she pieces 245 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:30.359 it together, it could be a really close race. I mean could be. 246 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:33.240 It could be a fifty one to forty eight race, or it could 247 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:38.119 come down to those swings days. You know. You know, you've got 248 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:44.640 two states that are very close to JD. Vance's home state, and he 249 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:51.960 could have an impact. And how his numbers are not good, His numbers 250 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:56.920 are less than most vps coming out of a party convention, but his proximity 251 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:04.480 to let's start with Michigan. Ohio touches Michigan in one area of the southeast 252 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:10.640 part of Michigan, the Ann Arbor and south and east he could have an 253 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:15.519 impact in those counties. Similarly, he could have an impact in Pennsylvania on 254 00:20:15.640 --> 00:20:22.079 the western front of Pennsylvania, like Alleghany County. If Vance went into Allegheny 255 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.640 County for three months and just did town halls and Trump were to break even 256 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:33.000 in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania can't go to the Democrats because there's not enough Democrats 257 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:37.480 in Philadelphia and Delaware counties to offset the rest, which may lead them to 258 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.799 go with the Arizona selection. That's right, man, I go with Kelly 259 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:47.680 from Arizona. Do you think that this would have been any different if Biden 260 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:55.480 had bowed out a year ago? Hm, I think it would have been 261 00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:00.799 worse because the economy was was we hold the economy, We pulled the economy 262 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:06.319 with the Sawyer School last year, and the economy numbers were real bad. 263 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:08.759 I mean, the inflation has just started coming down over the last three or 264 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:15.240 four months. So if that happened, Trump could more successfully tie the economy 265 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:21.000 bad economy around Harris. So I think this is a better scenario for Harris 266 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:25.000 and the Democrats. It's going to be interesting. She definitely has her work 267 00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:32.680 cut out for but maybe the brats will rule who knows to brats TikTok the 268 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.440 TikTok president. Here we go, Dave, you've been fascinating. Thanks a 269 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.279 lot, Dave, pa Hey, I appreciate it. Have a good night, 270 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.680 Dave, you too. Poster from the Suffolk University Political Research Center. 271 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:52.359 Often Dan will talk to him. I just find the reason why people vote 272 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:57.960 for somebody fascinating. I just find it fascinating. Like they like the color 273 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:02.079 of their hair. They don't like it because she's a woman. They like 274 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:06.599 her because she's a woman. They don't like Trump because of this. But 275 00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:11.640 it's never the issues. It's just it's never the issues. It is they 276 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.400 say it is the issues. Fill time on the twenty four to seven cable 277 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:19.680 networks. That's what they do. That's what they do. Coming up at 278 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:26.240 ten o'clock right here in WBZ, Talmage Boston talk show hosts presidential historian is 279 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:29.720 going to join us. He has a Texan folks, and the last time 280 00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:34.440 I spoke with him, he was not not a fan of the Democratic candidate 281 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.759 Kamala Harris. I don't think he's changed his mind. He's coming up with 282 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:42.799 ten. Do a few calls, give you some more thoughts. Coming up 283 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:48.960 next right here on wbz's Night Side. You're on Night Side with Dan Ray 284 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:56.559 on WBZ Boston's news radio, Gary Tangway for Dan. Todight, President Biden 285 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.680 saying, so long took a victory lap, good for him, and now 286 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:07.880 we move Now we move on as we look ahead to the presidential presidential election 287 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.079 with Donald Trump, and it seems Kamala Harris unless something crazy happens. And 288 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:17.400 I was thinking it wasn't automatically going to be her, even though Biden endorsed 289 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.880 her, and as soon as the money went her way, she raised one 290 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.680 hundred million like that on Sunday night, I go, yeah, it's over. 291 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.400 Because I wanted a race. I wanted a good old fashioned convention. 292 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:33.680 I wanted to see some speeches, some passion, some gabbls. And I 293 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.599 still think there would have been time for whoever came out of the Democratic Convention 294 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.519 is the nominee. It's a campaign against Donald Trump. The news cycle is 295 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.960 like fifteen seconds. Don't give me that. They just wanted to get her 296 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.440 in because they wanted to take care of Biden, you know. So it 297 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:56.119 seems that her running mate will be the Kelly out of Arizona, Gabby Gifford's 298 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:04.160 husband, astronaut combat pilot Shapiro out of Pennsylvania. I mean it's Jewish, 299 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:08.640 But is that really? Is somebody not going to vote for the guy because 300 00:24:10.039 --> 00:24:15.039 of his religion? Oh my word, what are we coming to beyond that? 301 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:21.319 Nuts? Six one, four, ten thirty. A couple of people 302 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:23.640 want to chime in on what's happening tonight. It's going to Tom on the 303 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.640 cave. Hey, Tom, you're up on night side. Hi Tom, 304 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:33.599 you're on Hawaii. What's up, budd Hawaii? I'm good. Question Tooya, 305 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:42.400 did you did you infer that Donald Trump is insane? Yeah? Yeah, 306 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:48.119 so you. I just really appreciate your impatiality, you know what I 307 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.319 mean? It's I mean really, I mean, it's the guy behind a 308 00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:56.920 microphone. I'm not a doctor. Did you see what happened on January sixth? 309 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:04.599 Did you see what happened on January where he's six He did not stand 310 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.640 in the way of his supporters attempting to overthrow the government. He didn't. 311 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:18.160 People forget about that. Look the assassination attempt terrible, awful. There's no 312 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:21.839 look. I don't want to vote for anybody. I don't like anybody who's 313 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:33.400 running. I don't. I don't think she has the experience. She didn't 314 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:38.319 do a very good job in twenty nineteen. She was a very good prosecutor 315 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:42.119 from what I understand. An attorney general, she's very good on the facts, 316 00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:45.400 but you have to do more than that. I don't know how she's 317 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.480 going to handle international policy. But at the same time, do I want 318 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.200 a guy who wants to tell NATO to go screw or if he doesn't get 319 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.680 his own way, say that the voting is rigged and try to overth and 320 00:25:56.359 --> 00:26:00.519 have his constituency overthrow the government. Do I want that? I mean, 321 00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:03.319 does Donald Trump at president that that doesn't scare the hell out of you? 322 00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:07.200 If Biden was still running, it would scare the hell out of me. 323 00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.480 She's a great unknown. I don't know. I can only bring up and 324 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.519 talk about different issues. But if I had to pick, it's the less 325 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.519 of two evils. I'll pick her because am I a Harris fan? No? 326 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.680 She seems like a very nice person. But Trump scares the hell out 327 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.799 of me. If there was another, If Mitt Romney was running, I'd 328 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:36.480 vote for him. Would that make you feel better? There was pretty much 329 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:41.200 any other Republican running. I could possibly vote for them. But this guy 330 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.960 doesn't. He doesn't put the country first. He puts himself first. It's 331 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:49.799 a TV show for him. Why can't anybody see that this is a guy 332 00:26:51.079 --> 00:27:02.720 that called dead soldiers losers. He did that Arlington Cemetery, he did that. 333 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.200 Come on, Oh my god, let's get a Susan and Worcester. 334 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:15.200 Susan, you're up on WBC's night set, said, I don't. But 335 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:18.680 anyways, getting back to her, you know, all she's doing is talking 336 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:27.279 about Trump's character. What about her? How do you think? I'm sorry? 337 00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:32.759 People sleep around? Okay, I mean we've heard all the stories about 338 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.920 JFK. Clinton. We've learned all those stories about him. Hey, the 339 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:44.359 deficit, we didn't we didn't have any debt. But Clinton, I mean, 340 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.319 it's a bit of a it's kind of horn, Doug, you know. 341 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:49.759 I mean, we all know the thing about Lewinsky and the cigar and 342 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:56.559 the dress and all that stuff. But the economy was great, balance the 343 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:03.880 budget. Politicians sleep around. People sleep around. Are we gonna start? 344 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:07.599 Are we gonna have a moral clause now? In we have a moral clause 345 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:17.119 in you can't if you've slept around, you can't be a government, it'd 346 00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:22.519 be nobody running the country. Frank and Boston. Frank, you're up on 347 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:33.240 WBZ. Hi, Frank, Hell, I'm sorry. My problem is with 348 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:42.680 these posters and this m there's thirty six percent. If you had a lead, 349 00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:49.160 a weeper polling at this time, you wouldn't win. But yet presidents 350 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.799 had a higher polling and they lost. Yeah, I mean, polls are 351 00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:57.079 in a sample. I mean, I just find I think Dave is very 352 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:02.240 interesting. I want to know what drives polls and what drives the way people 353 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.759 think. I mean, look, Hillary was winning in the polls and she 354 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:10.000 lost. Yeah, I mean, it's there's no doubt this is I appreciate 355 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:11.720 Dave's passion, and I think he's a very interesting guy to talk to. 356 00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:17.759 I don't really care about poles. I really don't. And and quite honestly, 357 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.000 I think poles have become much more valuable to the news media because of 358 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.720 the twenty four to seven, because of the twenty four to seven news cycle, 359 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:30.920 because it gives CNN and MSNBC and Fox and you know in Bloomberg and 360 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:36.359 WBZ radio and gets us all something to talk about. But the poles really 361 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:42.000 have no effect on me. But they're valuable, you know, they're they're 362 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.039 valuable, because this is where I do think poles can make a difference. 363 00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.279 I think poles can make a difference when somebody thinks that their candidate is going 364 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:56.119 to win, whether they vote or not. And that's what I think could 365 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.799 happen with Kamala Harris, with the gen zers, the kids eighteen to twenty 366 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.359 one, who nobody really knows what they think about. They're on TikTok. 367 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:12.039 You know, she's the brat for them. They could show up because they 368 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.480 see the polls and they go, oh my god, our brat is losing. 369 00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:22.039 Just put a poll on a TikTok the brat is losing, and then 370 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:27.240 they'll all rush to the polls. I'm not joking. I'm not joking. 371 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.319 Kids eighteen to twenty two, they get their information on TikTok. They get 372 00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.240 their information, not so much Twitter, they get their information on the ig, 373 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:42.279 Instagram. It's a factor, and I think it's going to be a 374 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:48.440 factor here. And I think they're gonna look and they're gonna say, do 375 00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:53.319 I like Harris or do I like the grumpy old white guy. You know, 376 00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:03.720 though, as Dave pointed out, Trump does well with black voters because 377 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.559 they're worried about the economy and worried about jobs, and they think Trump can 378 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:11.079 solve that problem. For I don't know. Uh, let's go to Bill 379 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.839 Bill in Lexington, you're up on WBC's Night said Hey, Bill, Oh 380 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:22.640 my guy, I have to say the best you're opening monologue or however you 381 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.680 want to call it the best. I mean, you're definitely spot on. 382 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.359 I'm not Trump fan. I'm not a bite fan. I don't even vote 383 00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.240 anymore because I saw how I mean that I hear you, Bill me, 384 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:41.279 you mean the Oh my god. Yes, And it's like two old you 385 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.000 know, America. I was always told by my grandparents, my mother and 386 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.039 stuff, when you had a couple of bad relationships, didn't they say, 387 00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.200 you know, set down, you know, spend some time with yourself, 388 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.000 learn yourself. I think that's what American Why do we need president anyway? 389 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.200 Because don't Congress and the Senators run everything anyway? Well that's true, I 390 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:02.599 mean, and that's why democracy works because you have the system of checks and 391 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.960 balances, which is in jeopardy because of what's going on with the Supreme Court. 392 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:08.559 But Bill, you're not wrong. But I'll tell you why we need 393 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:12.839 a president. This is why we need a president. You need a president 394 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.039 who is a great communicator, who establishes a sense of confidence in the people, 395 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:20.799 to let everybody know when they're going to bed at night that everything's going 396 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.880 to be okay tomorrow morning, regardless of whether you're an African American, or 397 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:29.920 regardless of you if you're an Asian American, or if you're Mexican American, 398 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.559 or if you're Anglo Saxon American, that we're all trying to work and get 399 00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.440 to the same place. But the problem is, and I think a lot 400 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.640 of it is because of the television networks, we have a division. We 401 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:44.119 have a division of so many people so far to the right that hate everybody 402 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.240 who's far to the left. And then there's the eighty percent of us in 403 00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.960 the middle who just kind of all want to get along, go to work, 404 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.839 and kiss our kids when we get home. But the nutjobs on the 405 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.279 right and the nut jobs on the left are screwing it up. And that's 406 00:32:55.359 --> 00:33:00.839 who That's who the president and that's who the politicians appeal to, and and 407 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.440 that's what they want because they don't want love, they don't want unity, 408 00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:08.640 They want to divide that we want to divide it absolutely. And what happens, 409 00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:13.839 Bill, is that moderates like myself or you just said, you go, 410 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.279 I'm not going to vote because people are crazy and that and that. 411 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:21.519 Actually I get it, I get the apathy. But I'll tell you right 412 00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.359 now, what is going to take this country down. It's it's not terrorism, 413 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.319 it's not Putin, it's not a foreign entity, it's not North Korea. 414 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.920 It's gonna be our own apathy. And one day we're going to wake 415 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.039 up. We're gonna wake up and we're not going to be the power we 416 00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.599 once were because we're going to be too damn lazy and too apathetic about trying 417 00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.119 to do the right thing, Mark my words. We will be our own 418 00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:50.559 worst enemy. One more question I just want to bring up, and I 419 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:52.640 don't ever hear any of the Trump supporters talking about it, and of course 420 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:59.519 the Biden. So if January sixth was okay and Biden said he's going to 421 00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.680 finish that, you know, his his six months, what if all of 422 00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.880 a sudden he saw killing better and he pulled a January sixth. If it 423 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.559 was okay for Trump, it's not okay for Biden to do that. Of 424 00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:10.880 course, it's not okay for Biden to do that. It's not okay for 425 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.519 anybody to do that. But Biden's going to be too tired. Did you 426 00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.000 hear him tonight? Yeah? I heard him. Oh Man, Bill, 427 00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.840 Bill, the poor guy needs a nap. I mean, God bless him. 428 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.440 He's old. I mean he's still He needs to go. He needed 429 00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:28.159 to go finish out the rest of his life with his family, with being 430 00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:30.239 loved around him. Yes, he's done good. He take the victory lap, 431 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:34.519 but go sit down somewhere. Yeah, I agree. I agree, 432 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.599 Bill. Everyone who is young need to do the same thing. I hear. 433 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:39.159 Thanks for the phone call. We appreciate it, Bill. Ten o'clock, 434 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.960 Talmadge, Boston. You gotta stick around for this guy. This guy 435 00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:49.000 does not like Kamala Harris strapping when he comes on at ten right here on 436 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.960 WBZ, Gary Tangley for Dan Ray. This is night Side Now back to 437 00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:00.119 Dan Ray live from the Window World night Sights to you on WBZ Radio. 438 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.239 Come at ten o'clock, Talmrich, Boston does not like Kamala Harris. Stick 439 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.320 around for this guy. This should be pretty good. Sam Metler charges from 440 00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:15.960 the West Coast producer comedian, writer, Emmy Award winning producer, it's that 441 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.679 of comic Sam By other changes for his take on what's going on in the 442 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:22.920 world politically, we need to laugh a little bit people, at least I 443 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:27.239 do need to laugh a little bit. It's good for the soul, you 444 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.880 know, it's good for the heart. It's good for the soul. Earlier 445 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:35.239 tonight, President Biden took a victory lap said so long, job well done. 446 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:37.679 Lord. Do you disagree or agree? You have to give him credit 447 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.760 serve the public for over fifty years in his life. I always point to 448 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.960 politicians like this and I say, look, you may not agree, you 449 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:52.800 may not disagree. Well, you may not agree, you may disagree. 450 00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.920 I should have said originally, but they could have made more money in private 451 00:35:55.960 --> 00:36:01.679 sector, and for whatever reason they wanted to say their ego, they did 452 00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:05.320 it. Politicians don't make a ton of money. I mean they do some. 453 00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:07.760 They usually make it after they'd retire, and they go on private tours 454 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.079 like Obama and book tours and so forth, and get twenty million dollars a 455 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.800 speech or whatever he's getting. I made that number up. I don't know 456 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.920 if it's that high, but it's in the millions. I mean, if 457 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.639 Michelle or Barack Obama speaks somewhere, they're making millions of dollars for a couple 458 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:25.360 hours, I would think. So, you know, God bless you, 459 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:30.079 Joe. You made the right call. You had to go. There was 460 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.440 no way, there was no way he was going to have the energy to 461 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:37.480 serve a second term the way I feel. But he did say this, 462 00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.039 and I do want to play this segment from what he said tonight. I'd 463 00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:45.519 give him my heart and my soul to our nation. Like so many others, 464 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.760 I've been blessed a million times in return with the love and support of 465 00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.679 the American people. I hope you have some idea how grateful I am to 466 00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:01.599 all of you. The great thing about America here kings and dictators do not 467 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.760 rule. The people do well. And that's the key. Look, when 468 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:12.400 Donald Trump first went in the race against Hilary and I told you at the 469 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.239 beginning of the show or during the show that when I first heard him speak 470 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.920 in Alabama, I said, this guy's got something going. People are enamored 471 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:22.599 with this guy. He is speaking to people, he is relating to people. 472 00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:24.400 I mean, you got to give Trump credit. He has connected. 473 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.840 He has connected with a portion of America that got him elected to the presidency 474 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:37.920 and may do it again, and may do it again. Even though he 475 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:44.519 makes things up. He's never right. I mean, it's amazing. He's 476 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:50.440 teflon. You can't you can't knock him out. I mean, if you're 477 00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:55.400 a Trump person, you are all in January sixth or not. And yes, 478 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.760 the assassination attempt, oh my god, tragic. Thank god he made 479 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:01.880 that. He turned his head to the right. I mean, you just 480 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:07.760 don't you don't want that at all. But I think that also made him 481 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.239 stronger, that picked up momentum. I think that that gave them, gave 482 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:17.599 him some favorability. You know. But when Trump started out, I said, 483 00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:21.519 I don't know, maybe he can do this, Maybe he can. 484 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.760 But then with the way he had, you know, to me, he 485 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:29.880 just he just went off the rails. And he wants to be king. 486 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:32.920 He wants to be king. He wants to be a dictator. It is 487 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.559 not government for the people by the people. It is government by Trump for 488 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.920 Trump. January sixth would tell you that. And he still thinks the election 489 00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:47.440 was rigged. God, that's the thing. I can vote Republican, I 490 00:38:47.480 --> 00:38:52.719 can if I think that that person is for me, or for us, 491 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.559 or for the most part, has the United States in mind. I just 492 00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.920 don't. I just don't think he does. I have voted Republican before. 493 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.159 I would happily vote Republican because I don't know if how is Harris going to 494 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.559 do? I don't know how she's gonna do. She smiles, she looks 495 00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:16.920 charming, she seems nice. But I'll tell you, man, the gen 496 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.719 Z is. If she connects with the gen Z is TikTok. TikTok could 497 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:28.519 win the White House. TikTok wins the White House for Kamala Harris. You 498 00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.920 think I'm kidding, I'm not. Paul in Boston, Paul, you're up 499 00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:36.239 on WBC. Hello, sir, how are you. I'm good now. 500 00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:39.159 I've listened to you before when you filled in for Dan. Thanks, okay. 501 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:44.280 And I know that you don't like Trump, and Dan would always want 502 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.920 me to be respectful when I call his show. Sure, okay. Now, 503 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:52.599 I heard you earlier say I'd rather vote for Kamila Harris of the two 504 00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:57.559 evils. That's what you said here in the show. So you would want 505 00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.679 open borders and let the whole world come here. I don't want that. 506 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.039 And I'm a registered Democrat and I'm going to vote for Trump and king and 507 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:09.480 dictator. That talking point just it's worn out. He does don't want to 508 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:14.920 be a king of a dictata and change the constitution. Well, you don't 509 00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.079 do you don't do. You know what Donald Trump does. He gets up 510 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.440 in the morning, he watches he watches the news station. See what they're 511 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.159 saying about him. That's about it. Are you kidding me? You don't 512 00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:25.199 think he wants to be king? No? Oh, come on, And 513 00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:30.199 by the way, by the way, why do you think Kamala Harris is 514 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.599 going to open up the borders and make it worse than it areg Oh my 515 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:35.599 god, you're more progressive than Biding would ever be. Yeah, it's not 516 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:38.599 going to happen. It's not going to happen. Is not going to allow 517 00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:43.000 it. Furthermore, we had a bipartisan pack in Congress, and Trump next 518 00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:45.519 stick he got to his cronies and he said, don't do that. I 519 00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:50.480 need to use it as a political playing We would have had a bipartisan agreement 520 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:55.639 on the border. The border has been a mess forever forever, whether you're 521 00:40:55.639 --> 00:41:00.559 taking families and separating them and putting kids along in one cage and parents are 522 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:05.440 in another cage, are separating families. The boy, it doesn't matter. 523 00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.920 The borders have never been great, never been great. I don't believe that. 524 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:12.840 I don't believe Kamala Harris would make the borders worse. I don't think 525 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:17.400 they can be worse. We don't need another Democrat difc cycle in the White 526 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:22.599 House this time. Absolutely not to continue on the Biden policy. It's absolutely 527 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.400 appalling. All right, Paul, Well, I appreciate the phone call, 528 00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:28.480 Thank you, all right, take care of it, good one. All 529 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.400 right, So coming up next to Paul, used to stick around because talmuch 530 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:36.960 is going to agree with you on this while everything has been raw raw, 531 00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:39.960 I think unless you're watching Fox News for Kamala Harris so far, that is 532 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:46.639 about to change. So we will discuss that coming up here on WBZ and 533 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.000 if you're just joining us right now, if you have a chance online tomorrow 534 00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.800 WBZ dot Com and the iHeartRadio app. Dave Peli, your logos poster from 535 00:41:55.960 --> 00:42:00.679 Suffolk joined us and I great conversation about how the polls work, why they 536 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.639 work, why we need them. Because I just admitted to him, like 537 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.000 I polls. I'm numbed to poles. They're like white noise to me. 538 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:15.119 They really are, because there's so many of them. But that's me. 539 00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:19.800 They are important, they have a purpose, and Dave's very passionate about it. 540 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.719 So check that out online. At eleven o'clock. Sam Metler, comedian 541 00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.960 from California, and he will join us so we can laugh a little bit 542 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:34.519 right here on WBC. Okay, we got news coming up, and we're 543 00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:37.119 gonna get back with Tambwich Boston right here. All right, Brokes, we're 544 00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:39.440 gonna take a break right now. Can we do that? All right, 545 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:44.559 Let's do a kid. We'll be back on the other side.