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Hello, and welcome to Open minds
UFO Radio. I am your host,

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Alejandro Rojas, and I am here
with Martin. Well i'll call him.

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I'm Martin. Willis the small eye. That's right, the I with a

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capital M. Yes, using uh
via iPhone here. I couldn't make it

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home, sorry, Aleandro. But
sound okay? Right? Sounds great?

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Yeah, it sounds fine. I
wouldn't have even known you were not home

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had you not told me. I
know, I should just keep my trap

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shut. But now I told you
I'm Martin because I'm starting to think that

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perhaps you're an Apple product. I
could be. I have no proof that

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otherwise, I have no proof you're
human. Yeah, well I made the

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switch several years ago. And yeah, it's like I do have all Apple

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everything. Wow, I use up
Apple everything. I love Apple, And

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so that would make sense that I
would like to use you on my show,

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because especially if you're some sort of
cyboard type of Apple product that I

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Martin. Yes, I wish I
had a cyborg eye eye. It'd be

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great. I'd be able to see
at night and all that stuff be fun.

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So my guest today, uh is
Lespiegel. I think you had him

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not too long Ago as a guest. Yes, he's always all blast to

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have, isn't he. Yep,
he's a lot of fun. Now this

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time I wanted to focus on his
most recent stories, which have mostly been

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around space and like astrobiology and exoplanets
and cool stuff like that. Right,

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I know he just had that one
about the planets. He's had several planets

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recently. Yeah, very good point. So, yeah, that's the guest

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uh Lespicele from Huffington's host Huffington or
No, they changed their name to just

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huff Post. That's right, m
so huff Post. So he's not saying

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that for years himself. Yeah,
that's kind of been a slang term.

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I remember when Arianna was around and
we would use it. He would say

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she likes the full Huffington Post.
But now she's not owner anymore. There's

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a different owner, and I think
she even is stepped down from her editorial

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role there. So now they've got
some new kids in there and they're like,

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no, man, it's the huff
Post. We're huff post man.

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So the millennials like to kind of
shorten things to be cool. Well,

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you can't blame them. No,
it's fun to be it's hip to be

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square. I don't know if that's
true or not, but I remember that

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saying, yeah, I remember that, Yeah, I remember that phrase.

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So news, that's what you're here
for, is for the IUFO I news,

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Yes I am and so. A
Canadian witness says, ufo followed car

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fifty I mean twenty feet overhead.
Now this happened not that long ago,

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April nineteenth, just a couple of
days ago. It's a Canadian witness at

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Edson she reported a glowing object following
her vehicle. It was about twenty feet

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overhead. At first she thought it
was a vehicle coming up from behind her.

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Then she realized that there were no
vehicles in sight, and it was

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a bright yellow colored light appeared in
her review mirror. And anyway, she

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continued to drive. She slowed down
a little, hoping that it would pass

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if it was a vehicle, and
that's when she noticed that it was not

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behind her and maybe about twenty foot
distance above her. So then she came

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up to it was sort of a
yellow orange color and it glowed. It

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was very bright, she says,
and so she sped up to get away

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from it, and it continued at
the same speed. Overhead for about fifty

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teen minutes, which is quite a
while, and then she got to I

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think it was a stop sign and
she was going to make a turn,

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and the thing went exactly where she
was going. So it sounds pretty scary

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to me. Yeah, so almost
like a close encounters type of situation right

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overhead, except I think he was
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It's been so long since I've seen
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but I think because of the lights
and stuff. So he stopped because

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of the lights and everything. Yeah, but that, Yeah, that is

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pretty weird. I don't know if
you read this or heard anything about this,

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but Ridley Scott's been talking about UFOs
lately, Yes, and I heard

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that. Actually got to go see
Alien Covenant the other day. Well,

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a lot of people are saying it
was really good, is it? Well

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it doesn't officially start till Friday this
Friday, but I got to see a

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special early press preview, and I
would say it's good. It's what you

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would expect from an alien movie,
I think, is the way I would

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put it. Now. I thought
this was out because I thought I saw

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a good friend Ryan Sprague write something
unless I'm confusing it with something else.

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You could be. I don't know, but it's not out till Friday.

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Oh wow, yep, I've been
yeah so but yeah. So anyway,

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he has unsurprisingly, you know,
especially given his movies. In his movies,

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you know, everybody's bad. It's
like there's a there's maybe a good

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human or two, but otherwise the
rest of the humans are pretty much boneheads

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and either get themselves killed out of
stupidity or they're just bad people. Uh.

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And the aliens, of course are
total a holes even you know,

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in Prometheus they seem the big one
seemed to be okay for a minute,

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and then it turns out that they're
jerk offs too. So so of course

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he feels that aliens are are not
the best, and he has been talking

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about lately. He told this French
this is kind of funny. He told

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these these French guys that, and
he believes in aliens. He's really into

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ancient aliens. You know, Prometheus
well and the Alien knew. These these

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prequels kind of have that theme to
them, and he's really into ancient aliens.

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But he says that he does believe
in them and that they're superior beings,

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and he says that if you run
into them, that you ought to

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run, that you ought to get
the heck out of there, because he

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says, they're smarter than we are, and if you're stupid enough to challenge

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them, then you will be taken
out in three seconds. Wow. I

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think you should just you know,
like when a bear comes up to you

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should just like lay down and play
dead. I mean, you know,

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if you run, it's not going
to be it's not gonna be a defense

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at all. They'll just zap you. Yeah, but that's a bear.

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It's not like bear. Bears don't
have trichorders, you know, like in

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Star Trek where they can say,
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It's just playing dead, so get
it, you know, so shoot it

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or molest it or something. So
the aliens, I'm sure have trichorders or

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some sort of technology where they can
see, oh they're just playing possum.

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Get them. Oh yeah wow.
So I don't know, I think lose

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lose situation. Yeah. So that's
what reminded me. You know, I

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wrote a story about this before I
went and saw the movie. But you

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know, with this this woman's situation
and being scary. You know, it

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doesn't hurt to be safe than sorry, So maybe it would be best to

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run. I kind of have a
new perspective. If you see a UFO

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run, what do you think,
Well, I guess, I mean,

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I guess they got but I don't
know if that's you know, I guess

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better than giving up and just saying, you know, take me to your

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leader or something like that. I
don't know what you could do, what

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your defense would be, because you
don't know what they can do with their

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mind if they're really, you know, very far advanced. Yeah, good

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point. You can just like stare
at you and like your brain will crumble

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or something. See that would be
a good experiment to see what happens.

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Like have you and Ridley Scott,
you know, in a field and then

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they come you play dead, Ridley
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know? Do they Maybe they're like
dogs and they love it when something runs

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because then they can chase it.
So they're chasing Ridley Scott. Meanwhile,

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you're safe because you play dead and
you get up and you're like haha,

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or they're like, hey, well
they only needed one and this this goofy

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one, right, here is laying
on the ground for some reason, he's

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not running. Let's just take this
one instead of trying to chase the other

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one. That would be more efficient. That's probably, you know, it's

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kind of that's probably what's gonna happen. So I just give up right now,

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or you know, there's he could
be wrong, just because, you

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know, because in his movies,
like all the humans are total A holes.

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Humans I don't think are total a
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I'm sure a lot of them are, but not all of them. I

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mean a lot of them are pretty
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the people most not all, of
course, And maybe you listeners feel differently.

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I don't know how you feel.
Most people are meet are pretty decent,

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pretty cool, they're you know,
they're all right. So I think

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that Ridley Scott's perspective on humanity is
a little cynical. So perhaps he doesn't

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have the alien thing quite right either. Maybe they're nicer than he expects.

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I think they are. Otherwise I
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them being gnarly. How would you
rate the movie? Oh, how would

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I rate the movie? That's kind
of tough for me. Now, I

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love space movies, So I love
space. And if you have cool spaceships

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that look realistic, you know,
flying around orbiting planets and and flying into

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the atmosphere and stuff, I'm gonna
love that. So that aspect of this

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movie I loved. Now, that
aspect of Prometheus gave me a sense of

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awe. Especially I write about this
in my story, where you know they're

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landing in that valley and on the
far end of that valley is what looks

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like possibly an ancient alien structure.
Now that's exciting, and that that really

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gave me, like this great sense
of awe. I never felt that sense

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of awe in this movie, even
though they had some grandiose sets that where

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they could have inspired that, But
the sets were just kind of the background.

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It felt almost more like a video
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with some cool space. So I
didn't leave incredibly dis pointed, but I

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wasn't super jazzed either. Where uh, you know, Prometheus, I was

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kind of torn because I was excited, kind of jazzed about some parts,

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but also disappointed about some parts.
So I had less of an emotional response

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this time, I guess. So
it's hard to say, I would maybe

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put it around us. Out of
ten, how many stars out of ten?

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How many are you? How many
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usually it's isn't it five stars?
But yeah, but anyway, yeah,

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do whatever you want. I mean, I'm gonna say three and a half.

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Three and a half. Yeah,
yeah. Wow. I'm a pretty

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hard greater though, so yeah,
yeah, well I don't know why.

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I guess maybe it was Prometheus Sprague
was talking about. Hmm. Now I

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will say, uh huh, go
ahead, it's gonna get more. One

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more movie review that probably at least
a four. It was silly, but

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it was a perfect mother's day movie. We saw Stranded with Karen, my

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girlfriend and her two daughters. Now
it is eighteen and older. Oh yes,

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film, but it was really funny. I gotta say, I'm not

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the biggest Amy Schumer fan. I
think she's kind of funny her stand up

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say, but this was really funny. It was pretty good. Yeah.

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I'm not sure if I'm familiar with
that that movie. Yeah, I don't

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think it's been advertised like hugely,
but I think they got it out just

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in time because it's with Amy Schumer
and her mom and this adventure they have,

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but it is pretty funny. That
was pretty good, all right,

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Yeah, so there we go.
Is that it? I guess that is

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it because I did want to share
that movie. The only other news that

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I would like to share with people, and I might as well share it

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now is And I don't know if
you've read this, but Linda Zimmerman,

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who wrote the book about the New
York UFOs, wrote a story for us

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about Man's Best UFO Witness. And
this is in regards to a sighting that

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you and I have discussed on this
show, and that was the one I

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think we talked about this last show, the last show where there was a

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deer who saw these UFOs. So
she was inspired then to write about all

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of these UFO stories she has where
dogs are involved, and it's incredible.

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I love the article because she's right
often pets are involved with UFO sidings and

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their reactions. There's a wide range
of reactions that they have, and her

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story encapsulates a lot of different sightings
and a lot of different types of reactions

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these animals have had. So it's
very insightful in a great article. So

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it's called Man's Best UFO Witness question
Mark and it is on the front page

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of Open Mindset TV. Well,
you know, it's kind of a wonder

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that nobody's ever really written about that. I've never really seen anything written about

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that. I have seen like reports, I think, but not like a

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story like this. It could almost
be a book if you had enough enough

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stories. Yeah, I think you're
right. You know, when she put

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this out there, I was so
excited. I mean when she sent it

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to me and she's like, hey, I was inspired by this recent story

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to write this article, and I
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is awesome, this is perfect,
this is great. So yeah, it's

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really cool. I love it.
Great. I can't I saw that up

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in your sight, and I will
read it because I'm very interested in that.

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Yeah, check that out when you
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Linda is she's a really nice lady, really really like her. She's cool,

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very cool. Yeah. Right,
Well, I guess we'll talk to

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another New Yorker. That's a last
Biegel from Queen's here. Unless you have

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any other news that yet, Dad, Nope, that's it for me,

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all right, great, Well,
thank you so much for joining us again,

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and we'll talk to you soon.
Budda, all right, thanks a

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lot. All right, talk to
you later. Yeah, let's go ahead

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and talk to our good buddy,
Lee Spiegel. I am happy to welcome

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back to the show, Lee Spiegel. How you do the buddy, I'm

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good, Alejandra, Thanks for having
me on again. I think this is

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what our fifty six show together or
something. I don't know. Maybe not

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that many, but there's quite a
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a while since I've had you on, But you know what, I don't

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mind having you on several times because
our conversations are fun and full of interesting

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stuff. And speaking of interesting stuff, I am super excited that now your

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stories you kind of have your writing
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more about UFO stuff, some of
which can be kind of boring quite with

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it, not a lot going on, but now you're doing space stuff and

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it's cool stuff that scientists are doing
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Well well, thank you, And
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piece tonight that that I think you
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There is this new four year project
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and they believe that within the next
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be able to understand the language of
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I didn't know dolphins had a language. You don't. Really A lot

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of researchers and scientists have been kind
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and there is some indication that because
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that it appears that dolphins do have
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the kinds of sounds they make,
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hitting noises, and scientists think that
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mammals reaching out to each other and
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Really yeah, very much the way
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they're what they're going to try and
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systems that this other company has has
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the question is is they haven't got
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there's a trick. Well, they
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human language. Like surprisingly, Yeah, well, you know, we all

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grew up, you and me and
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are we considered the millennials or were
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along? I can never figure that
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is not to be offensive or anything. I think you're a baby boomer,

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the Yeah forgot my generation. Well, well, and you know what,

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it almost doesn't matter what your generation
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grew up on movies and television.
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flipper and you've got it time actually, oh slipper before your time. Yeah,

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well, but you I'm sure you
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kinds of entertainment that involved dolphins displaying
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to communicate with humans, to play
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that's three miles away, and they, oh, they go gleefully after the

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ball. People forget that it may
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the animal. It's because of the
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animal understanding the language per se.
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it, but we should probably get
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the show are like to hear,
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me just say one more thing about
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they're what the scientists are now saying, is that if that breakthrough happens,

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they can now use this as an
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like the movie Arrival. If we
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us or us talking to them,
whatever this new technology will be that might

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work with dolphins, they're hoping we
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which is extraterrestrials. And so,
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and I threw those into my story
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This is an organization that deals specifically
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information. And they had a lot
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thing that's going on, and they
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application of this technology would be alien
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right. Yeah, that's really cool. That's really interesting. You know what

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else is funny. So there's a
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a lot more scientists kind of open
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their science applies to the search for
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enough. You know, this is
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titled we are on the verge of
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it's about a new book that came
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it on Kindle, so I'm excited
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Aliens, the World's Leading Scientists on
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know, I've been saying that for
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did those people who keep saying,
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This is going to happen tomorrow,
the government's going to really read something about

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aliens. And it hasn't happened.
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thing that I feel like we're on
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and I mean like microbes or something
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happened. But it does feel like
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yeah, I'm I'm very quick to
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we're we're about to, you know, shake hands with aliens. Well,

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well, we don't know that,
or or at least we're not being

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told that, because I could think
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not going to happen, or maybe
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When they say aliens, do they
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to help us or eat us or
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you know that concept. So it
discovered. So they go over like SETI

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applications, so the search for extraterrestrial
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know that search and how close we're
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microbes or something like that. But
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has happened over the last few years
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scientists seem to get more and more
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think you're right, and I think
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idea that two hundred years ago,
when we had hardly any technology, look

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at how far we've come and how
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amount of time, you know,
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as long as we don't get into
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and there will be more discoveries.
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lot of the UFO stories that come
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I don't find them really compelling,
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find them compelling either, And so
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new discoveries that are coming out involving
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like there's an exoplanet of the week
now that's being discovered, and and I

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like that. There are many many
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about one tomorrow, a new exoplanet. They're calling it the warm Neptune.

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that we've already detected that there's water
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That's really fascinating me. Who knows
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I love to write about that now. I agree with you. I read

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about that neptune ish planet today and
it does seem fascinating. I didn't read

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a whole lot about it, but
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an exoplanet of the day, it
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almost like at this point, you
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you would have like an exoplanet to
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true, because now that I know, a couple of weeks ago, Time

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magazine put out their list their annual
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people in the world, and three
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yeah, I noticed that, and
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that, and I was so fascinated
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for people who've been even just marginally
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discovered, the little spacecraft known as
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planet, and the way it works
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thousand possible planet candidates, and what
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Scientists have to take the individual planet
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star to see if it's consistent,
if it's if it's consistently passing in front

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of its stars so that the star's
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we're looking at all object that's orbiting
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sometimes a year or two years for
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numbers are out of about five thousand
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been confirmed, and that's a really
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are definite planets that are orbiting stars. And the scientist went took in another

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step. She said, and I've
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and say, how can she say
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now we know that for every star
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it has at least one planet orbiting
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not saying that that one planet could
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at the right distance from the star, that it might have liquid water or

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you know whatever. All this thing
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now where every star that you look
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planet. And then she took it
one step further and she said, and

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I love this. The next time
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especially if it's on a clear night
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Milky Way and you can see thousand, thousands and thousands of stars, she

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said, don't look at it as
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you're looking at thousands of solar systems. Oh my god, do I love

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that. I agree. I mean, when I read your story and your

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title, that just like really hit
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a solar system, And like you
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have argued with you on that.
But even if you know the idea,

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which I don't think everybody work,
the majority of stars you're looking at are

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actually solar system That is amazing.
I mean, that is so incredible.

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And the idea that and we'll get
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that you know, we're a solar
system and we don't know that. You

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know, the one solar system that
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has life with intelligence on it.
We don't know that every solar system isn't

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like that. That's right, And
and when you look at pictures some of

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the best pictures taken by the Hubble
Space Telescope of star clusters and just within

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our little galactic neighborhood of the Milky
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takes your breath away when you see
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points of light. Excuse me.
And several years ago Hubble took some other

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pictures in what has now come to
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to find some dark patches in the
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time they try this, they had
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the area of our earth, some
major the Big Dipper, and they said

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to Hubble, just open it up, because we can see a lot of

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dark areas there where we know there
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up. Just let them know if
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my god, the pictures that came
back, the first pictures clearly showed ten

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thousand galaxies. And then they realized, oh, wait a minute, if

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that's typical of everything around us.
And then they did the math and here

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comes the head exploding again, and
they're stop that. They're talking now about

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billions and billions of galaxies and those
galaxies have billions and billions of suns,

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and those suns have trillions and trillions
of planets. Can you can you feel

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my head exploding? As we get
into this, It's like, it's like,

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how can we grasp that? We
can't? You know what? I

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go ahead, I'm sorry. I
was just gonna say, how can we

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grasp it? Because because we can't, we can only maybe talk about it,

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but we're not even show what we're
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And that's a little scary, but
it's true. Yeah, And you

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know what else is scary and true? What this reminds me of. I

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mean, this is an area or
we're getting so much data coming in that

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we can't handle it. I mean, there's so much data coming in and

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it takes so much analysis to look
into it that what we'll discover in there

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is amazing. Another field that reminds
me of it is DNA. We're getting

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so much data on DNA that you
know, if someone when people study it,

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we're learning how to unlock things and
change things. There was this story

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the other day. How if you're
gonna if you live another fifty years,

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most likely you're gonna live a thousand
years, meaning that they think, you

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know, we're that close to being
able to unlock aging to where people will

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age much more slowly. I mean, the discoveries on the horizon are extraordinary

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in these two areas where we're just
flooded with information, and it seems to

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00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:52.840
really be having an impact on scientists. And the reason I say this in

409
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:59.400
particular is a couple other stories you've
talked about so and we'll talk about each

410
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.719
of them, are that you've written
about in particular. So one about a

411
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:07.639
Harvard scientist that's talking about you know, radio beams being used for you know,

412
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:13.480
aliens could be using those to travel
the universe. Or this other astrophysicist

413
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.760
that you wrote about who has talked
about ets may have already lived and died

414
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:23.440
in our own solar system. I
mean, scientists are really taking all of

415
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:31.719
these numbers to heart and going speculating
in ways where when we were growing up,

416
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:38.559
regardless of our generations, you know, those were sci fi writers who

417
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:45.840
were speculating those things, not scientists
like they are now. Yeah, you

418
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.360
know this, this one that you
just mentioned about ets may have already lived

419
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:55.559
and died in our solar system.
What he's basically saying, and he's his

420
00:35:55.639 --> 00:36:01.920
name is Jason Wright. He's an
astrophysicist from Sylvania State University. And he's

421
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:09.159
been basically suggesting that ancient aliens may
have already lived on some of the nearby

422
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:15.679
planets in our solar system hundreds of
millions of years ago. Uh but but

423
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.800
but for whatever reasons when they vanished, they vanished so far as far as

424
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:25.840
we know, without a trace.
And and he's he's suggesting that we have

425
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.880
to figure out what kind of things
to look for that might still be around.

426
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:35.719
And you know, the people who
go crazy every day looking at all

427
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:40.039
the the Martian Rover pictures and claiming
that they see spoons and rats and homes

428
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:46.320
and cars and and things. See
there it is it is proof then big

429
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:58.679
Foot, which is true. I
must have missed that particular day. But

430
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:02.719
it's funny. I think you wrote
about it even but that was a few

431
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:10.920
years ago. But anyway, but
I wrote about bars well, I hope

432
00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:17.159
I wrote about it with with with
an ounce of you know, speculation and

433
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:25.360
suspicion. Yeah, you know,
it's it's it's like we when I interviewed

434
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.039
this this professor, I asked him, how how far back does he think

435
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:36.239
you have to go in time to
find where aliens might have lived somewhere else

436
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.400
in our Solar system and if maybe
any of them are still lingering out there,

437
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.159
and and he's he's pretty convinced that
there aren't any now that we've we've

438
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:52.199
explored our solar system robotically, and
it just doesn't seem like any aliens have

439
00:37:52.320 --> 00:38:00.079
left stuff behind that we could still
find because the planetary the planets themselves physically

440
00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:07.760
change over eons, the planetary tectonics
change and things get get covered, and

441
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.599
that kind of stuff has happened here
on Earth. So it's really it's really

442
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:14.519
difficult to find things. I mean, how far down in the ground do

443
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:20.480
you have to drill to find dinosaur
bones here? And people are talking about,

444
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:22.880
well, how far are we going
to have to drill with a robot

445
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:30.000
spacecraft on the surface of Europa,
one of the main moons of Jupiter before

446
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.719
we can find our way clear to
hitting part of the big ocean that we

447
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.760
think is there, and what kind
of surprises might we find there? But

448
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.880
well, you know. And here's
one of the things that's frustrating al andro

449
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.719
is is that people think, well, all right, let's let's let's go.

450
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.079
Let's put a ship together next week, let's launch it the week after.

451
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.960
Well, we'll get to Jupiter what
like a month later, No,

452
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:58.000
try six years later, you know, And then what happens is I think

453
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.719
the next step for going to Europa, for example, is to send a

454
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:08.400
robotic spacecraft there, and that spacecraft, I don't believe we'll even land.

455
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:14.880
It will just orbit closer to Europa
than any other ship has that we've sent

456
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:20.280
out there, and then we'd have
to send another ship out there to actually

457
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:27.159
see if we can dig into the
crust. And I believe that when President

458
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:31.599
Trump gave NASA the most recent budget
for the year coming up twenty eighteen,

459
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.320
I believe that they realize that there's
not enough money in there to send a

460
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:42.920
ship to Europa. Yeah, that's
unfortunately. So, yeah, it's part

461
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.639
of the frustration. It's like,
you know, especially for like old guys

462
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.840
like you and me, you know, Generation X and baby boomer here,

463
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:59.599
like how much longer can we can
we wait and hold out that we're still

464
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.239
going to be around when anything is
discovered, I don't think it's going to

465
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:08.559
happen in my lifetime. That's very
frustrating to me. Well, yeah,

466
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:14.199
I don't know. I don't.
I hope you're wrong that you know anything

467
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:16.559
will be because I mean, Mars
might have something. But back to your

468
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:22.119
point, you know, with what
the astrophysicist was talking about, it's very

469
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:25.119
similar, it seems to what Ben
McGee, our mutual friend, had said.

470
00:40:25.159 --> 00:40:30.039
He even did a talk at the
UFO Congress about it. What he

471
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:36.679
talks about as zeno archaeology, but
he talks about the same issues you're talking

472
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:43.519
about now. His point is that
archaeologists look at a police investigation scene,

473
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:45.760
for example, and they think,
oh my god, these guys are just

474
00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:53.559
throwing all the evidence because archaeologists are
so careful in how they extract artifacts from

475
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:59.920
a site. And his point being
that if we're going to look for those

476
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.760
sort of artifacts on other planets,
then we better create a discipline called zeno

477
00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:08.800
archaeology where we understand the tools that
will be necessary. But he makes the

478
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:13.960
point, like you just did,
that even if we start that field,

479
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:22.199
people would study for years. It
would take years for the spacecraft to incorporate

480
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:28.480
these ideas, and then even more
years to develop these craft and these tools,

481
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.199
and then even more years to send
them out into space and for them

482
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:37.000
to get anywhere. So yeah,
it is frustrating when we talk about these

483
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:45.880
exciting at least projects and crafts getting
to Europa that the timelines are so large.

484
00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:53.960
What we need literally is warp drive
from star Trek or hyper spaces from

485
00:41:54.039 --> 00:42:00.480
Star Wars, or to live a
years old. We need that. Uh

486
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:07.440
yeah, I know, I mean
we but we need that kind of technology

487
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.760
to get us to places sooner.
Yeah, because because even the science,

488
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:20.119
the scientists who are working on these
projects now for NASA or for the European

489
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:25.639
Space Agency and other organizations, these
people aren't going to be around by the

490
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:30.840
time that we might have some more
technology that can that can show us or

491
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:36.039
to show them that their missions might
actually be be possible, they won't be

492
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:44.039
around. So I feel their frustration
as well. It's just not easy.

493
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:47.840
You know, many times I've thought
that I was born about three hundred years

494
00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.719
too soon. I would might have
been born in the twenty third century of

495
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.400
the starship Enterprise, And it's like, you know, you know, give

496
00:42:55.440 --> 00:43:00.519
me warp speed, you know,
Mitsulu let's go, let's get the Jupiter

497
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:05.039
in like an hour. Well,
now, that might not happen during your

498
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:10.760
lifetime. True, well, that's
true. That's true, because I'll be

499
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:17.400
too chicken to even get on one
of those spaceships. But by the time

500
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:28.000
we yes, what were you saying? Sorry? You were saying, oh,

501
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.960
I'm sorry. Well that was a
nice possible but a couple of commercial

502
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:36.320
spots then, you know, I
was just gonna say that as we get

503
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:46.199
older, and as the technology of
these things gets more interesting and more sophisticated,

504
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:52.360
you know, we we people of
our age age group, now we'll

505
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:58.360
be spending a lot more of our
time just doing what we can to just

506
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.360
keep walking and staying healthy, you
know, for the rest of our lives.

507
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:08.760
And and that's also part of the
frustration of living in this time,

508
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:12.920
at least it is for me.
And you know, I can't speak for

509
00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:19.000
everybody else, but I wish things
were moving much faster cheologically so that we

510
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.360
we could do things. I saw
a thing a couple of weeks ago where

511
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.679
we're very close. I think this
summer, one of the countries in the

512
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:35.400
world is going to stop offering hovering
taxicabs. Can you imagine that over over

513
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:40.599
New York City hover taxicabs, where
there's already too much air traffic. So

514
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:45.679
I have a feeling, you know, when we all of this, that

515
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.960
you're it makes you very self reflective, and that you think a lot about

516
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:57.599
your own mortality uh in these topics
and this, which is kind of strange

517
00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:05.039
uh to me. And it's surprised
because when I read your stories about these

518
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:09.800
exciting discoveries that are happening on a
daily basis, it makes me excited for

519
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:17.119
right here and right now, whereas
it seems like when you're writing these stories,

520
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:22.000
a lot of this stuff makes you
feel like, oh man, you

521
00:45:22.039 --> 00:45:24.679
know, this is cool stuff,
but the fruits of these efforts are going

522
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:35.000
to be realized for many years.
Well. I can remember growing up in

523
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:38.679
New Hampshire and going to movies and
seeing all the all the great science fiction

524
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:43.800
movies in the past and marveling and
all the technology and all the travels,

525
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:50.239
whether you're time traveling or space traveling, and I remember getting caught up in

526
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:52.840
all of that, and then and
then being part of the original space program

527
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.639
with all the astronauts and the moon
shots, and and I got caught up

528
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:05.320
in that and and I do get
caught up now with the stories then I'm

529
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:14.199
writing about because I want to convey
some kind of excitement or fascination or maybe

530
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:21.480
hope to the readers, so that
they don't give hope that that is going

531
00:46:21.519 --> 00:46:24.039
to be a future in science.
I mean, I remember when when I

532
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:30.760
heard that the President wasn't giving NASA
the budget that they really needed to make

533
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:37.960
these kinds of things happen. They
were hoping for enough money to go to

534
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.679
to do a man mission to an
asteroid and to figure out how to best

535
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:49.559
protect our planet from any wandering asteroids
that might be headed in our direction,

536
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:58.119
because we don't yet have the working
technology to prevent an asteroid from hitting us,

537
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:05.519
and Nessa had had many plans on
the drawing board to figure out how

538
00:47:05.559 --> 00:47:07.599
to do that, and and now
they don't have enough money to do it

539
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.239
for a few years. Because you
got a lot of scientists who are saying,

540
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.559
well, we've been tracking the asteroids
so we know which ones are a

541
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:16.719
threat to Earth, so we're pretty
good for a couple of hundred years.

542
00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:23.199
Duh. I mean, how to
deflate you know, your attitude, It's

543
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:28.599
say, well, wait a minute, the big meteorite that came crashing over

544
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.400
Russia like three or four years ago
and broke a lot of windows and caused

545
00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.440
a lot of people to get hurt. When this thing came out of the

546
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:39.000
sky, sonic boom was like crazy. One of the scientists who I had

547
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:44.400
to talk to said to me,
we didn't know that thing was coming.

548
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.880
It took us by surprise. It
came in that fast. I want,

549
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:53.119
really, we don't have we don't
have a system set up. Well,

550
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.119
he said, you know, most
of the big ones that are out there

551
00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:01.079
between the orbits of Mars and Jupi
or in the asteroid belt, we pretty

552
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:07.559
much kind of know what their orbits
are are and we can track them.

553
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:13.440
But there are others that that they
can slip by, because remember when they're

554
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:19.000
coming at us from the from the
darkness of space, and if the sun

555
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.480
is not really shining on them,
we might not see until it's too late

556
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.920
because it's so dark. Oh,
I didn't realize that, And he's right,

557
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:34.280
wow, you know, and so
yeah, you would think that that

558
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:37.760
the planet, well, at the
very least, wouldn't the nations of our

559
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:46.880
planet be wise enough to put some
money into putting a planetary defense system together?

560
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:54.400
To deflect any incoming rocks that could
cause us some problems. I mean,

561
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:59.880
really, you do what's right to
protect yourself, including your planet.

562
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:02.800
So I've been writing about some of
that stuff too, the asteroids, because

563
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:08.280
that's the kind of thing that frightens
me, the fact that we just don't

564
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:13.440
know with a lot of if a
lot of it is it's like a crapshoot.

565
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.400
We're either going to get by.
We keep hearing the stories about how,

566
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:23.280
well, next Wednesday at two o'clock, asteroid QRXYZ is going to come

567
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:29.440
close to the Earth by about one
point five million miles, and then you

568
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.039
know, the news reporters will say, well, well, that's like just

569
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:36.360
as the crow flies, that's nothing. You know, it's just gonna skim

570
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:42.079
by it. And I'm thinking,
wait a minute, skimming by us doesn't

571
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.400
mean that we're ready to protect ourselves
from it, And I would just think

572
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:52.880
that our attitude about that should change. It's just me, well, our

573
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:59.599
attitude towards most things that along those
lines are when it comes to the natural

574
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:05.760
world, is not to learn more
and protect ourselves. Currently it's more yeah,

575
00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:09.719
to make money off of it and
for the short term effects. But

576
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:17.400
now you're bumming me out. I
know, well, well, you know,

577
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:23.159
if we're not going to be here
to enjoy the fruits of our labors.

578
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:27.320
A lot of scientists are saying,
we really should go to some of

579
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.360
these asteroids because there's a lot of
interesting materially that we can use, that

580
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:36.360
we can mine, that we can
use as points of departure to get us

581
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.039
tomorrows and to some of the other
planets. We just need to be able

582
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:45.039
to do this systematically. And if
they don't have enough money to do it,

583
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.840
it's like, well, why are
we doing this? Why do we

584
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:52.039
have a space program? I mean, I'm very happy that we have Coupler

585
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:57.079
and that next year we're going to
have this amazing new telescope called the James

586
00:50:58.079 --> 00:51:01.320
Web telescope is going to be able
to reach further out into the universe than

587
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:07.840
Hubble and and in fact, uh
that telescope and I think one other will

588
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:15.639
actually be able to to look at
and show us the discs of ex planets

589
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.960
where we're not able to do that
yet, and that'll be interesting, and

590
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:22.519
we're and we're not gonna have to
wait a year. I mean no,

591
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:27.719
I'm saying we will have to only
wait about a year instead of waiting like

592
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.960
seven years to send a ship back
to Saturn or Jupiter. I mean we

593
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:37.280
will. We will soon be able
to actually see other planets instead of just

594
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:45.679
seeing artists illustrations that I keep putting
in my stories. You know, I

595
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.440
would like to see what some of
these planets look like. Uh that that

596
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:52.440
will be very fascinating, I think. Yeah. Well, since the tone

597
00:51:52.480 --> 00:52:00.400
has kind of gone to a more
less positive type of area, I guess

598
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:04.679
I could bring up this story too, which I'm interested to hear. What

599
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:08.480
your reaction and how you felt about
this story was, you know, the

600
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:15.840
NASA astronaut who explained why he knows
aliens have not visited Earth. I know,

601
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.840
you know, I come up upon
this kind of thing a lot.

602
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:28.079
Every time I have interviewed an astronaut
over the years that I've been talking to

603
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:32.639
astronauts, I always make it a
point to ask them, what do you

604
00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:37.320
think about UFOs? Have you ever
seen anything that you couldn't explain if you

605
00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:42.480
talked to and if your colleagues have
you ever been told anything? Is there

606
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:49.119
like a point of departure that NASA
will allow you guys to talk about?

607
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:54.599
And you and I are talking about
Alan Bean. Now, Alan Bean was

608
00:52:55.400 --> 00:53:02.239
one on Morockers. He was on
Apollo twelve. I believe he was the

609
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:10.679
fourth astronaut after Armstrong was and and
he continued with the space program. He

610
00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:17.719
did missions on Skylab, and he
was part of the joint American Russian Apollo

611
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:25.400
Sawyers testlif And now what he does
and when he retired from NASA, he

612
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:34.000
came an artist and he paints experiences
of his fellow moonrot walkers, and he's

613
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:39.320
very good at it. And he
basically, he told an Australian news site

614
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.000
basically, and this is a quote
from m he said, I do not

615
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:50.119
believe that anyone from outer space has
ever visited the Earth. And he said,

616
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.159
one of the reasons I don't believe
they've been here is that civilizations that

617
00:53:54.239 --> 00:54:00.400
are more advanced are more altruistic and
friendly, like Earth, which is better

618
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:04.519
than it used to be. So
they would have landed and said, and

619
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.400
I love this part of Alejandro.
They would have landed and said, we

620
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:13.639
come in peace. And we know
from our studies that you you people have

621
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.800
cancer that kills people. Well,
we solved that problem fifty years ago.

622
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:22.519
And here's the gadget that we can
put on a person's chest and it will

623
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.199
cure care cancer. We will show
you how to make And you know,

624
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:29.880
I was reading this, Alejandro,
and I'm thinking, well, that's what

625
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.880
doctor McCoy has in Star Trek.
You know, he has a little device

626
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:37.639
at the Triquarterer, and he can
he can take care of people's diseases.

627
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:44.000
And yet this astronaut alan Bean is
saying that, well, if they were

628
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:46.480
astronauts from another planet, they would
be they would be, of course,

629
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:51.440
very friendly, and they would help
us solve cancer. And I read that

630
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:54.159
and I thought, no, how
do you know that, mister astronaut.

631
00:54:54.639 --> 00:55:01.840
How could you properly know what another
civilization might think, what their technology is,

632
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:06.440
how they would feel about us.
How could you know that? And

633
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:12.079
that's my gripe with a lot of
these people, with the scientists who claim

634
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.440
that none of this can be happening. We're not being visited by anyone because

635
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:20.280
they couldn't possibly get here. But
if anybody did get here, well we

636
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.199
can tell you why they would do
this and that, how can we tell

637
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:30.360
you what would go on? Remember
a few years ago, I believe,

638
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:37.679
when Pope Francis was asked what he
would do if there were Martians that actually

639
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:42.840
came, and how he would react
if one of them asked to be baptized

640
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:46.360
and the Pope said, well,
the Marshall wants to be baptized, Why

641
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:52.440
would we say no? You know, I you know, I would have

642
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:57.119
preferred if the Pope had said something
like, if we're going to be visited

643
00:55:57.119 --> 00:56:01.079
by someone from thirty three light years
away, how do we know that they

644
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:06.960
even know what baptism is? How
do we know what's important to them on

645
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.639
a spiritual level? How can we
know this stuff? Well? But I

646
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:16.320
mean we don't. Yeah, but
I mean, I think it's fair in

647
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:21.559
their defense to speculate. We speculate
a lot of what we do. All

648
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:27.400
of this stuff is just purely speculation. We don't know a lot, but

649
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:32.199
we all have our speculations and our
beliefs based off of our worldviews. So

650
00:56:32.239 --> 00:56:36.360
I could see why the pope,
I mean, some people believe that you

651
00:56:36.440 --> 00:56:39.559
know. Uh. In fact,
that's what a lot of theologians believe,

652
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:50.400
is that Jesus has had has probably
manifested in the forms of extraterrestrials if they're

653
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:54.320
out there, and to preach and
to try and save them, so they

654
00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.039
would know it and that's what theologians
believe. Now, this Alan Bean guy,

655
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:06.039
I think it's fair for him to
speculate and have this idea, although

656
00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:09.840
when he uses a word he knows
that's going a little far. He doesn't

657
00:57:09.880 --> 00:57:16.039
know he's speculating like everybody else.
Yeah, so I guess that's some ego.

658
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:22.519
You know, I am right,
and you know, he's entitled to

659
00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:25.480
his opinion. I mean, he
walked on the moon and I gave him

660
00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:34.000
that, But it doesn't mean that
he can he can start proselytizing about something

661
00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:37.760
that he truly doesn't know about,
and that's that's that's I have a problem

662
00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:43.480
with people who do that when they
just think that they know more about what's

663
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.119
going on in the universe and the
rest of the public, and they try

664
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:51.800
and push their ideas onto them,
like snake oil salespeople from the Old West.

665
00:57:52.679 --> 00:58:00.360
I don't like that, dude.
It's a taking advantage people out there

666
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:05.920
who really want to believe in something. And I don't like the idea of

667
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.320
just trying to formulate people's beliefs when
you don't really know the answers. I

668
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:15.599
would much rather hear people who like
can Allen Bean saying, you know,

669
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:20.239
what. I don't know the answer, because he'd also said for that story

670
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.880
he said there are billions of stars
and that these stars have planets around them,

671
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:30.360
and then he said, so statistically, there must be many planets around

672
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:35.000
many stars that have formed life.
And I like that. It's a good

673
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:39.280
statement. It makes sense. He
can just stay with that and give people

674
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:45.119
hope that, Wow, it probably
is life out there. Whatever kind of

675
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:52.719
lafe that that gives people hope.
So what do you think that? What

676
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:57.280
do you think then of someone else
you've written about lately who has also speculated

677
00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:04.480
about his own belief systems And I
actually wrote about him well before. We

678
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:08.039
both have I have a Huffington post
on what he's talked about this before.

679
00:59:08.199 --> 00:59:15.599
But Ridley Scott, what do you
think about him coming out and saying what

680
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:24.639
he's saying? He has a very
different thing I know. And the thing

681
00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:30.400
about Ridley Scott, and for your
audience who may not know who really Scott

682
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:37.480
is and what he's actually currently promoting, which is the latest in the alien

683
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:45.559
movie franchise Ice, which Oh,
and did you like it? I don't

684
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:49.519
know? It was okay, it
was another alien movie. And if you

685
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.760
know what alien movies are you know
what's going to happen. Now. I

686
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:59.800
love Space and it has some beautiful
space shots. You know, of course

687
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:05.159
it cg but some beautiful shots of
the the spaceship flying in space and and

688
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:08.519
you know, flying around this planet, and beautiful shots of this planet.

689
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.400
But otherwise it was an alien movie. I mean it was. It was

690
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:23.159
so nothing super exciting to me.
But but certainly you can understand I mean

691
01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:30.599
Ridley Scott's views of aliens, like
I think you're going to get into just

692
01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:32.400
now. I mean, he doesn't
really have I think, a positive view

693
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:42.719
outlook on anything at all, humans, right or aliens. Yeah, he's

694
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:46.000
promoting this film. He wants people
to go to it. And in one

695
01:00:46.039 --> 01:00:50.599
of the interviews that he gave a
couple like a couple of weeks ago,

696
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:55.800
he was very clever, I thought
when he he let the interviewers know that.

697
01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.840
I actually think he was on stage
and he was just talking to an

698
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:06.400
audience and he basically said he thinks
aliens really exist and we should be afraid

699
01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:12.480
of them. And then he said
I believe in the superior beings. And

700
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.519
then he went on this an expert
who we called an expert that he was

701
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:24.880
talking to someone at NASA apparently allegedly
told Ridley he said, have you ever

702
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:30.000
looked into the sky at night and
you mean we're the only ones here or

703
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:34.039
where it? Well, that's ridiculous. Well I go along with that,

704
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:38.800
you know, I believe that.
And and then then Scott said something like

705
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:44.239
that, he was told there is
something like one hundred or two hundred entities

706
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:51.400
aliens that could have a similar evolution
to what we're going through now. So

707
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:55.320
then then he ends his little thing
about aliens by saying, so if you

708
01:01:55.400 --> 01:02:00.480
see the big thing in the sky, run for it. And you know,

709
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:02.480
when I when I saw that quote, I was sure what he meant

710
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:07.039
by that when he said run for
it? Was he saying run towards the

711
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:10.639
object or run away from the object? I think away. I'm pretty sure

712
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:15.199
he meant away. Couldn't figure that
out. I'm pretty sure he meant away

713
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:20.400
because he said that they would they'll
wipe you out or something like that.

714
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.800
I forget his exact quote, but
it was something similar to that, essentially,

715
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:30.280
don't mess with them. Yeah,
so I mean he has h Yeah,

716
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:35.000
he said, yeah, a different
take. Well, I was just

717
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.400
gonna I was gonna say that he
said that he says they're a lot smarter

718
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:44.840
than we are, and he thinks
that earthlings should show a little respect to

719
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:51.280
the aliens, and he his quote
ends with a lot smarter, and if

720
01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:55.039
you're stupid enough to challenge them,
you'll be taken out in three seconds.

721
01:02:55.440 --> 01:03:00.679
Yeah, and you know, and
I'm thinking I wouldn't even think it would

722
01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.719
take that long three seconds. In
about a second, I think aliens with

723
01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:08.599
the technology could take care of us
in a lot shorter time. Yeah.

724
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:13.840
Well, and you know, we
know there have been incidents where the Air

725
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:20.639
Force has scrambled jets to chase strings
lights in the sky and the lights seemed

726
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:24.760
to disappear or outmaneuver them, or
even more incredible, like you know in

727
01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:30.199
Iran in the seventies that case were
a huge shot at this object or another

728
01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:36.079
similar cases in the Air Force that
did this in what Chili, I think

729
01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:43.079
it was. So if those were
the type of things he's talking about,

730
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:49.280
Luckily it seems like they were a
little more a little more Alan Bean alien

731
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:52.760
ish in that at least they just
said get away from me, you little

732
01:03:52.800 --> 01:04:00.280
bug, and they didn't hurt anybody. But yeah, and you and you

733
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:10.519
and I both know generally speaking,
the aggression, you us being aggressive towards

734
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:14.639
them that they don't kind of come
along and start chasing our airplanes and our

735
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.480
you know and our military jet fighters
looking for a fight. You know,

736
01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:21.679
we're the ones who are going up
the thinking, whoa, we're going to

737
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:28.559
bring this ship down. Yeah.
Uh just love the well, I love

738
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:30.960
the attitude. People wonder why they
don't land on the White House lawn and

739
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:35.639
say, here we are, let's
be friends. Pretty funny. So I

740
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:40.639
guess when it comes down to uh
or I guess you know, now that

741
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:43.639
we're kind of getting long on time
and we probably ought to kind of wrap

742
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:45.719
things up. I did want to
talk about something that is a little off

743
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.639
topic. It's still extraterrestrial, and
that's what's fun about all this because I

744
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:58.119
think people are still into space and
stuff, you know, if they're interested

745
01:04:58.159 --> 01:05:03.079
in UFO. So I just your
last story, which I thought was really

746
01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:09.039
cool, another thing that came out, and it's just what I like about

747
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.639
a lot of this and a lot
of the space stuff, which is just

748
01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:16.239
I've always been interested in space,
even before we started making these discoveries,

749
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:25.960
but so many times what is discovered
is completely different than what we would expect

750
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:31.199
to discover. And now that we're
learning more and more about Jupiter, I

751
01:05:31.280 --> 01:05:40.519
mean, it is super weird.
And you wrote about these gigantic oval storms,

752
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:45.639
but they're finding so much weird stuff
on Jupiter, So tell us a

753
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:49.880
little bit more about that. Yeah, and not just on Jupiter. For

754
01:05:50.119 --> 01:06:03.039
for decades, what happened was we
were always under the impression that Jeter,

755
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:13.639
Saturn and other gaseous planets didn't really
have solid cores, the gigantic balls of

756
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:21.119
gas constantly spinning around and holding their
shape by gravitational forces and magnetism and and

757
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:27.480
and now they're not sure because of
the information coming back from from the Cassini

758
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:32.400
spacecraft. Uh, they're not sure, not the Cassini, but but the

759
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:39.800
Juno spacecraft, because Cassini is that
Saturn are amazing things, but the Juno

760
01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:47.320
spacecraft is coming back with information that
indicates these amazing storms. And and they're

761
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:54.559
not sure how much more magnetism is
around this planet and just how really dangerous

762
01:06:54.719 --> 01:07:00.519
it is compared to all of the
other planets in the Soul System MH.

763
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:08.760
And and how how much more irregular
magnetic field is about Jupiter and and some

764
01:07:08.840 --> 01:07:15.480
of these storms that the Juno craft
has photographed. Some of these storms are

765
01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:19.000
as big as big as the Earth. I mean, even the great Red

766
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:29.480
Spot that that amazingly famous red cyclone
that's been uh photographed and video and filmed

767
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:35.639
on on Jupiter for decades. You
could fit three earths side by side into

768
01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:42.159
that storm. I mean, these
are incredible numbers for how the sizes that

769
01:07:42.199 --> 01:07:46.639
we're talking about, and and so, and you know, and then and

770
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:51.559
then, and then You've got all
these moons that are circling both Saturn and

771
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:59.559
Jupiter, and now we're finding almost
daily moons that are showing signs of liquid

772
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:04.119
ocean to methane, and and it's
like, really, what is going on

773
01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:10.079
here? Why are we suddenly finding
water in places that we never thought was

774
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:15.760
there before. It's like, we
have to keep exploring. We have to

775
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:20.479
we have to go back to these
places because you know, there are a

776
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:27.479
lot of things that Steve Hawking,
Professor Stephen Hawking, theoretically the smartest man

777
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:33.119
on the planet. He keeps saying
that if mankind, if Earthlings are going

778
01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:40.359
to survive, we are going to
have to leave Earth and find another place

779
01:08:40.439 --> 01:08:45.159
to live, and that we better
do it within the next thousand years.

780
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:51.920
So we have to start setting the
pace for our future generations to get ready

781
01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:57.439
to leave our planet, because our
planet will not be able to sustain us

782
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.439
if it keeps going in the direction
that we're taking it. So that's a

783
01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:03.880
big deal that when you get a
guy like him saying, hey, we

784
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:09.319
need to get ready, we need
to pack our bags and stop thinking where

785
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:15.560
else we're going to move to.
I don't think enough people totally get that

786
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:21.680
or take him seriously enough about that. The stuff that's going on in Jupiter

787
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:28.520
that we never knew before. This
is important for us to know that our

788
01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:34.359
planet can be impacted by things like
Jupiter. I said in my story the

789
01:09:34.399 --> 01:09:39.079
other day about Jupiter. I said, look, you can see these great

790
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:42.720
pictures that are in my story,
but why don't you go outside tonight and

791
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:46.319
have your own introaction with Jupiter.
If you've got a clear, starry night

792
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.479
all this week, Jupiter and the
Moon are doing a little dance in the

793
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:58.079
sky, and just look up and
even with a small pair of binoculars,

794
01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:03.079
just it's on Jupiter, and you
will see not only Jupiter, but it's

795
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:11.039
four main moons, including Europa that
has that ocean that's that's like an amazing

796
01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:15.000
thing to tell people to do.
You know, It's like, hey,

797
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.199
folk, it's not just an astronomy
one oh one, lesson, go outside

798
01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:26.720
look at this thing and tell yourself
you're looking that dot in the sky could

799
01:10:26.840 --> 01:10:30.000
have an ocean around it. Well
not could astronomers think that Europa is a

800
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:36.159
gigantic ocean with maybe life. But
that that's amazing to me. You know.

801
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:41.479
So I when you said before that
I was bringing you down because I

802
01:10:41.520 --> 01:10:45.159
wasn't excited about a lot of things. Well, I'm excited about this kind

803
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:50.079
of stuff. I am fascinated by
the fact that we're not already there digging,

804
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:55.640
digging into Europa and finding life.
I just love that kind of stuff.

805
01:10:56.479 --> 01:11:00.319
Uh. That is really good to
hear it. Because I was hoping

806
01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.319
that we would be able to wrap
this up on a positive note. And

807
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.880
certainly that's something we share and I
think the listeners share. Like I mentioned

808
01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:14.920
earlier, is the wonder of space. And I think, you know,

809
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:19.520
you have a really really good point
that you can have your own personal interaction.

810
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:28.479
You can go out there and look
and see Europa and possibly be looking

811
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:35.920
at a planet with you know,
maybe even large creatures swimming around in that

812
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:43.600
ocean. Yeah, I know.
Yeah. And you know the other thing

813
01:11:43.640 --> 01:11:48.399
about looking at Jupiter and it's four
moons. He's like, you went outside

814
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:53.920
tonight and looked at Jupiter and you
saw the moons like maybe two on either

815
01:11:53.920 --> 01:11:57.760
side of Jupiter. And then if
you go out tomorrow night and you look

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at it again, you might see
three of the moons on one side of

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Jupiter and one on the other.
Because these moons are orbiting Jupiter and they

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do it like every day, so
their positions change every day. I think

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that's amazing that you can just go
out and see that they change their position.

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That's that's fascinating me. That's astronomy. It's it opens the imagination to

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what's going on out there and all
you have to do is look up and

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see it. Amazing stuff. Well, thank you for joining us once again.

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Lee. Lots of fascinating and fun
stuff and it's always great to hapank

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01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.800
you and it's always great to be
here. Thank you so much. To

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01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.039
my good buddy Lee Spiegel. Some
really cool, interesting stuff. He's such

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a funny guy. I love talking
to Lee. So insightful and uh,

827
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we always get feedback on his feelings. About his readers, don't we So

828
01:12:58.720 --> 01:13:00.680
yeah, so that's what I mean
by insightful, I guess, but really

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interesting stuff. If you haven't read
his articles, we post them at the

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01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:12.079
open minds well often if they're et
or alien related, we post them at

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01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:17.399
the open Mind UFO news group,
or I post them regardless of what he's

832
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:21.159
writing about, on my Facebook page. So you could go to my Facebook

833
01:13:21.159 --> 01:13:24.840
page or the open Mind's Facebook page, I guess if you want to get

834
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:28.840
them all, you could go to
mine. And I think better than at

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01:13:28.880 --> 01:13:31.800
posting his stories than he is.
So I'm out there promoting on Twitter and

836
01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:38.239
Facebook his stories, it feels like
more often than he is. So he's

837
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:42.159
just busy writing. So he's got
to get these stories out, interview these

838
01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:47.880
scientists and aliens and UFO pilots and
stuff, and I get the stories out.

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So he provides a great service.
It's wonderful to have, you know,

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a mainstream media person doing this sort
of thing. He's like the only

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01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:01.680
dude out there doing it. So
good Lee Spiegel, So thank you again

842
01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:05.840
to Lee. You can go to
huff Post and google Lee Spiegel, or

843
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:10.880
even if you just google Le Spiegel, you'll find all of his stories and

844
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.439
some really interesting stuff. In fact, this new one he was talking about

845
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.720
the dolphins, I noticed I think
they had it on the front page.

846
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:23.399
I saw it on some feed,
so it's getting some traction already because of

847
01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.920
course it sounds fascinating, so really
interesting stuff, so check that out.

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I also want to thank Martin Willis
again so much for being on the show

849
01:14:34.159 --> 01:14:38.960
and helping us with the news at
the beginning of the show. Also,

850
01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:45.439
don't forget that we have our Open
Minds video portal where you can see lectures

851
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:50.800
from the UFO Congress. We actually
just posted last week of Vonn Smith.

852
01:14:51.239 --> 01:14:57.600
So von actually won a Lifetime Achievement
at our conference award because she's been doing

853
01:14:57.640 --> 01:15:00.079
this for years. And if you
go to YouTube, you can see the

854
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:05.239
free video of her winning that award
and some really cool footage of her on

855
01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:10.560
different television shows back in the nineties, you know, promoting her work.

856
01:15:10.760 --> 01:15:16.439
So you could watch her lecture right
now on the on demand video portal,

857
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.039
which of course you can find that
open mind dot tv. We've got ads

858
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:25.479
all over it there for you to
find it, and it's just a really

859
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:30.800
low monthly feed. You could see
literally hundreds of videos, some of the

860
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:34.479
best UFO lecture stuff out there.
So I think it's a great way to

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01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:41.239
learn. I mean, if you
are curious about an author and if you

862
01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:44.840
should buy their books or not,
it's a great way to get some insight

863
01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:48.039
on some information. Not only that, I think it's a very efficient way

864
01:15:48.359 --> 01:15:54.640
to learn a lot quickly and then
you know what sort of books to buy,

865
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:59.279
or what sort of research to get
into, or you know, if

866
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.399
you don't have time to do all
of that research. Just like this podcast,

867
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:05.000
it's a quick way, you know, an hour and a half a

868
01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:10.319
pop to be able to get a
lot of information and find out more about

869
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:15.079
the work that all of these people
do in their own words, and with

870
01:16:15.159 --> 01:16:16.720
it being in video, you get
to see them and of course there are

871
01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:20.119
power points in any videos they may
be showing, so really good stuff.

872
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:25.680
Go to Open mindsat TV for that. All right, Well, I want

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01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:30.560
to thank Caleb Hanks for the opening
and close music, and the last I

874
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.199
would like to thank you the listeners
for being here. I do have shows

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01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:38.760
scheduled for the next couple of weeks, so ahead of the game, right

876
01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:43.600
now before I head to my cruise
in early June, so of course I

877
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:46.039
won't have a show then, but
I think I'm gonna be able to post

878
01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:50.359
the show early that week maybe,
or maybe just save it to when I

879
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.119
get back, to make sure that
there's only a one week gap there.

880
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:59.079
But I've got it covered, guys. I've got lots of interesting coming stuff

881
01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:01.880
coming up here for you, so
stay tuned and we will talk to you

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01:17:01.920 --> 01:18:00.479
next week. People, audios,
moot chachos, your motions as Curious Ring