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Welcome to round three of the Parenting
Roundabout podcast for the week of May eighth.

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I'm Terry Morrow, and I'm here
with Nicole Ritics Hello, and Catherine

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Heleco. Hello. We're moms of
teens and young adults, and when it

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comes to parenting, we've been there, done that, bought the T shirt.

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But we're still waiting for that day
when we'll reach the finish line and

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have no further need to lay down
in a dark room with a wet rag

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over our eyes worrying about something or
other. Wednesdays Complaint Day here on Parenting

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Roundabout, and today we are complaining
about people complaining about and hating on kids

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and by extension, their parents.
So, Nicole, you found this article

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on Sarcastic Mommy about an increased dislike
of children in our society. Yes,

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shockingly enough, it's increasing. Hasn't
been around for a while, right,

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I mean, maybe it's the first
time this site wrote that article. But

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I was going out to restaurant with
my kids when they were little. I

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didn't feel the warm embrace of my
fellow patrons, right, especially as my

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son was standing up on the seat
looking over at people. See if a

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kid does that I turn around and
I say hi there, and then I

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scare them and they sit down and
cry. But still, right, I

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don't know. I don't hate on
kids. Well, apparently, according to

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people who do not like kids,
their reasons are children aren't noisy, they

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ask too many questions, They're not
intelligent and therefore boring. Wow, they

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force you to entertain them, and
they need constant monitoring. Okay, Now

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my first soul is do any of
these adults or their friends ever drink?

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Do they drink in excess? Because
when they do, they are all of

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those things and they are adults,
which is the worse. If you're out

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of the bars of a Friday night, I don't want to hear about how

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hard children are to deal with.
Right, you're worse anyway. Yeah,

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well yeah, you know, dogs
will peel on your carpet, and yet

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we still love dogs. Okay.
So somebody wondered if maybe it's because people

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or I mean, they're suggesting that
this is a new sentiment. And to

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be honest, I haven't seen an
article like this before, the one that

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just kind of so blatantly says,
yeah, our kids discikable. But or

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is there an increased as slike of
children. But they are also referring to

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the pandemic, saying that people spend
a lot of time in their own very

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controlled environment and they got used to
that, and so now their tolerance level

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is much lower when they go out
into public and there's children around. I'm

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not sure. I wonder if it's
it's not just children. I mean,

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it's like your tolerance for basically everyone, and everybody has, you know,

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because you hear about the way people
treat each other, you know, like

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on in public spaces. It doesn't
have to be a kid, but you

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know, people are are very intolerant, it seems of other people's presence in

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the world so well. To be
honest, it's adults that make it horrific

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most of the time. Yeah,
not kids. Yeah, but I don't

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know what are your thoughts. I
mean there I think like it used to

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be, oh, kids should be
seen but not heard, right, But

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there was still like a acknowledgment that
like kids are a thing that we all

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that we all experience, you know, like we need children in order to

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you know, have society. So
you know, maybe people didn't bring kids

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to like a fancy restaurant or whatever, but they were accepted in other places,

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and maybe that's changing. I don't
I don't know, right, Yeah,

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I remember being very annoyed when my
son was little because I wanted to

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take him. He loved, loved, and this was when he was like

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three. He loved the Broadway Lion
King like he listened to the soundtrack every

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single night. He looked at the
like photo program. You know, it

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wasn't there was basically not it wasn't
a storybook, it was pictures. He

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wanted to look at that all the
time. And I wanted to take him.

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He had seen it, you know, obviously once at a theater near

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us, and I going to take
him to see it again somewhere else.

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And they would not sell tickets to
a kid under four or five or whatever.

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There was an age limit, and
I was like, excuse me,

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like I'm paying for this, Like
yes, you will not take my money.

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Like I can judge whether he can
do it or not. He's the

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Lion King, I know. At
death of a salesman, I was very

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very mad happened, Like come on, I want to save you. Some

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savvy theater person should have set up
a showing of that either, just for

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families or you know, welcoming of
families, right, and you don't go

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to that theater if you don't want
to have kids around you, right,

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Because I'm sure he's not the only
kid who would have loved to have seen

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that again and again and again,
and somebody should have wanted to take your

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money again and again and again.
Exactly. Yeah, I'm surprised that nobody,

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nobody picked up on that audience and
exploited them ruthlessly. No, I

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mean, and I didn't. I
didn't test it out. I didn't like

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just say, like, just buy
the tickets anyway and be like, yeah,

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try to try to stop me.
Yeah. So I don't know what

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would have happened if I had.
But anyway, that's just an example of

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like, yeah, sort of short
sightedness around, yes, being tolerant of

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kids. Yes, so yeah,
I mean adults, I guess feel like

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they need their spaces and they don't
like them to be violated. But get

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over yourself. I don't know,
right, I mean, parents have to

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be smart about where they bring their
kids. But at the same time,

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I don't know how real this is
maybe a little bit, but it's also

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I have to have an article for
my blog. Hey, tell me all

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the things you don't like about kids. Yeah, and I think it started

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with like reddity, I got to
take it. Yeah, but you know,

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I do hear and see things like
this. But then I go on

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social media, and you know,
of course it's just who I choose to

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follow and everything. But I see
so many things with celebrities showing pictures of

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their kids and their pregnancies and all
of this stuff, and thousands of people

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saying, oh, your kid is
so cute, all this is so wonderful,

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out children are so great or what
you know. It's like, I

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mean, maybe they wouldn't really want
to be in a restaurant with them,

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but still there seems to be a
general positivity about kids, at least in

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the accounts I'm looking at. Similarly
to you know, everybody loves dogs.

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You wouldn't necessarily want a dog sitting
next to you in the theater, but

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that doesn't mean we hate dogs.
I don't know. Everybody just needs to

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calm down, I think, But
it is usually it is when you have

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I mean, I always had a
kid who was I mean, he could

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not have sat still in the theater. He was the person they were keeping

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your kid out because of right,
but you knew that and you didn't bring

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him there. You know, sometimes, you know, you want to go

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to a restaurant, or you want
to go to a movie, or you

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want to be in a public place, you want to go to the mall,

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and your kid acts up and people
look at you like, how dare

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you? You know? Sex this
space here in a quarter of a toy

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store? Right, what is wrong
with you? So you know, it

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will be nice if everybody could just
be tolerant of everybody else. But you

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know, yeah, but I didn't
come to you know, Chase Snob for

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dinner and right expect that, you
know, people would even expense a bottle

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of champagne at the next table.
We're having to listen to my kid scream.

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But well, and that's a good
point, the fact that you were

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aware of that and worked around it, or at least tried to mitigate some

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of the issues that would arise when
you took your son out in public.

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Right, Yeah, I feel like
they're you know, the people that there

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are people that are unaware of that, and that can create a lot of

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negative feelings. Like I don't know
if you heard of that story recently of

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the mom on the plane with the
two kids. Yeah, killcorn or something.

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Yeah, And there is a big
hullabaloo about her being asked to pick

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up her kids popcorn and she was
offended, highly offended, or her husband

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was offended or something along those lines. But I mean I could see you.

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I think in that case, I'd
be more mad at the like the

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for letting that, you know,
for not being aware of that. But

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if it was a grown up who
spilled popcorn, no flight attendant would be

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like, you need to pick that
up, you know. Yeah. True,

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we all make a certain amount of
mess. I mean, I mean

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the kids were throwing popcorn and people
in other aisles, I would say that

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would be a thing. Well,
you had to see the picture. It

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was pretty messy. I guess it
was pretty bad. How much did she

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pay for the plane tickets? It's
like, yes, you have to be

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sensitive what your kids are doing.
And I mean if they were tearing the

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upholstery, I would say, yeah, if they were poking the people in

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front of them with a stick,
if they made some food detritus, and

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if eating the popcorn helped them sit
still and be quiet, just aren't they

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going to vacuum the plane anyway,
right, No, they don't really do

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that between plane. Well they should, and it's like, yeah, I

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won't take my kid into a big
fancy restaurant or into a theater or something

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like that. But don't shoot me
dirty looks at McDonald's. Don't shoot me

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dirty looks at Applebee's. You know
what It's like, there's got to be

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a safe spaces and that's a place
where the different things merge and you can't

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just say no, you may sit
at home and I better not see that

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kid on a zoom call. We
share the planet, y'all, come on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, but
I mean a plane is one of

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those places where, yeah, you
kind of have to be more mindful of

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your personal space. Yeah, I
mean if the popcorn was within their personal

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space and if it's just on the
floor, no, it was everywhere around

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them. It was like in other
aisles, in front of other passengers.

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I don't know how far, but
that I mean, I would say if

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it was I'm a terrible, permissive, horrible person, but I would think

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if it was within their bank of
seats, just let it go. If

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they're no, I think that's that
the stewardest or whoever is someone They don't

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clean the plane at all in between
people. Not really, I mean they

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wipe some seats down, I think
not even I mean no, there's non

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popcorn stuff that could get on the
floor. I'm just saying, I don't

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know. I think that for the
the I don't know. Airline travel is

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a lot to or know that it
used to be. But it still costs

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a pretty penny, I believe,
and you don't get to be I don't

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know some passengers just because their families. But I guess the point is that,

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like, that's not the child's problem, that's the parents problem. Okay,

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So the drunk businessman who spills alcohol
on the floor and who uh you

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know, puts candy wrappers or drops
his napkin from his dinner or whatever,

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who makes a mess. Do they
make him get on his hands and knees

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and vacuum up the stuff. I
don't think they do. No, he

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would get kicked off. I don't
know. I just think I didn't see

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the picture of the popcorn. Maybe
it was egregious. I just feel like

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people may sometimes have expectations of families
the families cannot reasonably meet. And I

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am tending to be sympathetic and having
a kid on a plane flight, especially

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a kid, but what prevents the
ad kids on a plane flight was difficult?

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To what having my son on a
plane flight was difficult? Yeah?

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He would? Really what prevents the
adult from like thousand times preventing that?

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Like not preventing it? But I
mean, didn't you tidy up a little

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bit after you left a space that
was decimated by a light? Was?

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And how exhausted I was? Probably? I think I would have maybe had

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an expectation that they cleaned the plane
in between flights. And if they don't,

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why not? It can't vacuum.
We are off the topic here.

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This is why people dislike children.
It's because of mothers like me. That's

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fine. I'm still a little woozy
from that. And you know, I

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mentioned that they cut that well,
suffice to say that it's not all the

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children's faults. They're being dislikable quote
unquote dislikable. I think parents people adults

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play a role in that as well, So you know how I feel a

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bit any parents though too. Well, let's just shut this conversation down before

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