Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willshure host. So my
guest this evening is Paul stone Hill. He's gonna be talking about his book
which is called Russia's UFO Secret, Sorry you s O secrets, Unidentified submersible
objects in Russian and international waters. This is a topic that has fascinated me
right from the beginning. So I'm really excited to have him on and I'm
going to bring him in. All right, now, welcome to the show,
Paul, Thank you appreciate it. Yes, Paul, you were on,
I think back in twenty sixteen something like that, long time ago,
and I'd like for you if you would introduce yourself, tell people your background.
I know you're on ancient aliens quite often, but I want to know
what got you interested in the topic and basically your overall background. I was
a typical Soviet teenager, but what was a typical I was interested in ancient
alien theories. Let's say we call it palio conduct in Russian and I was
looking for ways to get into it. And I spoke to somebody who actually
observed the uf OH back in nineteen thirty six when he was a pilot in
the Arctic are Force of the Soviet Union, and I found ways to get
information. And we had a very great magazine called Technicamala Josi in the Soviet
Union. It still exists, and it broke the ice in many ways.
And it wasn't it was daring magazine. You could reach stuff in it,
cosmonauts who reported strange things, or naval officers, and one thing led to
another. I spoke to people. Even after I got out from the Soviet
Union. I was able to get in touch with naval personnel, those who
escaped to the west, or who were here on a brief visit and one
and I kept collecting information. It's a fascinating subject because they Soviet military observers
had observed very interesting things down in the oceans or in the sky, but
they couldn't talk about it openly in the Soviet Union except for the provided channels.
Such channels included a top secret UFO slash USO research program called Sietka,
which involved the whole of the Soviet armed forces, and they had to report
on strange aerial phenomena that they observed. Nobody thought said uf ohs. It
was not a term that was liked by the government to be used and that's
how I started. Wow. Interesting and you say, you know, there's
a lot going on, and um, that's what I've you know, I've
I've been to Russia five times now and and I've I've tried to talk to
people there. I've had some you know, conversations, but not into such
great length with anyone. But but there are there are many cases that are
really well known. One of them is really strange. Before we get into
the topic of what you did you know for your book, Um, I
don't know how to pronounce it. It's something like the verone huh or something
like that. Nineteen Yeah, I can't tell. I'd love to hear that
story. So interesting. I'll be brief. What happened is that a number
of kids were in a park, Central Park and all of a sudden,
a uf FO appeared out of nowhere, and there was a robot with a
weapon, and then it disappeared and reappeared again. It was very interesting story.
It had been investigated and the local upologies have been in touch with them.
They reported under you know, on the case, and since it was
during garbageof times, the news broke out and there was international interest, great
case. What I always tell people that don't know is but it's a glipsk
is not far away from there, and this is one of the most secretive
Russian military facilities for aircraft training and testing and top guns. And for years
they had experienced loss of aircraft because of uf ows and other objects in the
sky, such as in an immobile black cloud that Soviet jets were getting into.
But they had a very difficult time being inside that cloud and they lost
all kinds of machine equipment and aircraft lost. It came to the point that
a local commander appealed to the Sietka research program I just mentioned, begging them
to send experts to find out what's going on. Why are we losing aircraft?
Everybody knew this was no Americans or anybody else. So Varonis is not
far away, and there is also Nova Varnish which had an which has an
nuclear power station, and there were some interesting things happening all around. I
remember late Vadim Chernabrov, who was one of the top Russian upologists. He
mentioned stories this was going I think about two thousand, where there was a
strange crash in the area and the military is sealed off all the area.
This is a new Russia, this was not a Soviet Union, so they
recovered something, but who knows what it was. Yeah, the times that
I've spent in Russia, I've been on the Black Sea in the city of
novor Sisk and I'm probably saying that wrong, but you know it. Yeah,
have you ever heard of any any type of UFL sightings in that area?
Oh? Listen, Black Sea is the tremendous history in the book I
have. You know, we have a whole chapter with Philip Mantel. We
put together. We got as much information as possible. Yeah, in that
in the whole of Black Sea, there were cases of objects going in and
out. And one of the cases I always bring up is by late Kusovkin.
Kuzovkin, who was very interesting Russian U four researcher. He had friends
who were scientists, marine scientists. They went down below and they observed a
gigantic wheel like object like a tense story building facing them. You know,
they were like in a battistcap and it was a USO and then it changed
its place and it was vertical, and then it became horizontal and it basically
moved away at incredible speed. There's been more, even not far from Balaklava,
which was one of the most secretive naval somewhere in Basis during the Soviet
times, built in the granite rock. They had you of all cases all
around. And you know, I I bring up information from scientists, from
meteorologists, and military personnel because they're most more likely to be believed than somebody
who is not who is just a plain civilian. Sure sure, Now,
I saw you mentioned in your book about and I've heard it many times that
we know more about what's on the Moon than we do in the depths of
our oceans. You know, they're just we have so much unexplored territory.
Um. And I've heard other people say that if if we are being visited,
if that's what these things are, what a great place to hide is
in in the ocean. The thing um that I do want to discuss at
some point today is what I've heard of. Uh. I think Lou Alexando
says, um, between mediums, you know, they can travel between mediums
between you know, the air, and then right into the water just like
it's you know, like it's not even there, which is really really another
thing that's really strange high speeds and things like that. Yeah. Yes,
so let's let's talk what what made you decide to do your book is just
one one like me? It's very interesting, is that just one of the
things that fascinated you about Russian maybe is some you know, I've my family
husband involved. You know, we had people who within the Russian Navy and
in the Soviet Navy, and then all this well, I collected all the
information, and most of it came like in late nineteen eighties when the Soviet
Union was disintegrating and garbage of policies came forth. I remember I saw this
magazine, for example, it was called Ayah and Anamalea Linia Anamalis Phenomena.
It was published I think somewhere in the Baltics in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen
ninety. And here I see statement by former still a captain of the Soviet
navy, Doomin, and he had a diagram and he presented information about objects
going in and out of the sea and what the military observed and how they
wanted to bring forth this information. And one thing let to another. I've
got other information, other documents. I've been working with the Soviet uful groups
at the time. Many people are have passed away now and the groups do
not exist, but they did at that time, and information came out and
they sent it to me in the United States, and we called each other
and we helped Doctor Hines, I remember, was with the Soviet American Federation
for you of full research, and I helped him anyway possible, and it
was. It was a great time. I remember getting information about Phoebus incident
and others. But I specifically was interested in the US research simply because I
in my youth I traveled to different parts of the Soviet Union. My father
served in Siberia and the Far East, and he told me stories too.
Wow, Oh he did, your father did? He told me stories about
the Taiga and the concentration camps and a few others. He wasn't into my
research, but because of him, I loved it territory and I you know,
I still do, and I want to explore more if I still have
time or abilities. Like the Ural Mountains, the Urals have an incredible u
for paranormal phenomena, or the far East of Russia, especially the Corel Islands,
and the territory, even even not far away from the so called Dragon
Triangle or Devil's Triangle. Things are happening there. It's in my book too.
But outside of the things keep getting and I think the Chinese know that
too, and I'm very much interested in that territory as well. And the
Coil Islets. Martin. I brought up a case not long ago. It's
my YouTube channel. This is what was one of the first cases that I
brought up, and it's going on, but nobody talks about it. Here
the island of Matua, one of the Couril Islands. The Soviet rusty Russian
army is now in full control of the island, meaning there is no access
for those who have no business to be there, only government, scientists and
the army. There's something strange is going under and the Japanese they didn't want,
of course, to give up this island, but they had to.
However, they had a chance to hide a few things there. This was
one of the places where Nazi submarines kept coming after Nazi Germany was crushed.
Very interesting now in the new research that the Russians are doing, they also
discovered a few of the American submarines that went down that nobody knew about.
Stalin I know that Stalin of course, was very much interested in it,
as were the Americans who wanted to get the islands, and Stalin said,
no, you give me ali Utan Islands. I'll give you this maybe.
But the point is that there is something that of more paranormal aspect that's going
on and that island and we have we heard stories about about structures that go
down fifty floors or so down below and very unusual findings. Now, I
also do as much research as I can of the area, and there is
an island not far away from their indecural Racha and Um. I have recollections
of a former Soviet officer who observed they observed strange structures down below, very
clear, like an ancient city, and they came back sometime later and he
wasn't there anymore. Ah, that's the are Yeah, Yeah, that sounds
really fascinating. Now you talked about the ural mountains and the makes me think
of the dat Love Pass incident, which was which was another really strange thing
that is still un answered to this day. A lot of people have an
interests in that one. Yeah. If if people are interested, I want
to underline that I do once at least once every few months, I bring
up more information because what happened is the Russian police, let's say, or
more investigative finist an investigative agency. They have a new one opened up this
case, and they came with the same conclusions it was due to natural causes.
But but it's not so we know that. And I keep bringing up
more information, including photographs that mostly mostly nobody in the West has seen,
because there is a source in Russia who provides such information and through open sources,
and I want people to know that, yes, the investigation can come
up with any conclusions, but there are others in Russia who are trying to
find more. It's a very complicated case. Even those who perished have a
very interesting background, and we're just finding out that one, two and two
do not add up to four in this case. Yeah, you know,
I'm ordering since they were of course my fault for bringing that up. But
I'm wondered if we could just give an overview of the Left Pass incident,
just from as I mentioned early on, I have a lot of new listeners.
I wondered if you wouldn't mind just kind of giving a nutshell of the
story. Nineteen fifty nine a group of young mountain explorers or skiers tourists.
Like we say in Russia, we go to a very secluded mountain where the
local people live munci, people who don't want others to come because they have
sacred areas there, and the young people stay denied uh in the they stay
inside inside the tent, and then something scares them to the point that they're
naked or semi naked and run out from from this tent, disperse in the
area and then slowly perished one by one, and finally some of the last
ones to be alive they crawl back to the tent and they die. Some
of them were killed by because we found radiation by something like I directed ray
of energy. After a while, when their bodies were discovered, they were
missing body parts. And what's interesting that they investigated. The investigation was complicated
from the very beginning. Local Communist party officials did not want things to come
out. There were USO sighted in the area. Some people mentioned something like
yi or snow abominable snowmans in the area. Now there are rumors that the
KGB was involved and maybe intercepting an American spy expedition. There is so much
complication about including possible not very likable but like but possible missile tests that shouldn't
be. It's a secluded cold area, very cold. You can die for
from exposure in the polar Euroarctic. But you gotta take the whole euro Mountains
as it is. There's so many paranormal phenomena and so much of the ecology
has been wasted during the Soviet times but by unnecessary experiments, and there were
cases of nuclear accidents and bucteriological weapons. So one thing leads to another and
we still don't know what happened. Wow. Yeah, And just also some
of the details on that is they they cut instead of going out through their
tent, they cut through it, and they left without shoes on. I
don't think any of them had their shoes on or boots on. And they
ran and they were you know, they weren't wearing their coats or anything.
I mean, they got out of there fast. Whatever it was, they
got out of there fast. And they found the tent months later under the
snow. And that's and they found the bodies, one by a tree.
Obviously he tried to climb a tree. One of them did, right well,
he tried to and clothe and anti trees itself. They found a residue
of of something like lasers would be uh directed or you know, we're shooting
at that tree. This is what they found. There's more, I mean,
there's so much more. They also before that they visited areas they should
not do, like sacred monsey of you know, local people, um sites
and and you know, some people say, well they were murdered by by
months because of that, that's the months people are are peaceful. And no,
no, no, I don't want But there is much more, I
mean, including the footprints even that they were discovered. Some say, well
there were some people who actually were not um you know, without shoes,
And there is more and some of the objects, like I said, there
were a few days ago, a few days before that they observed view of
foes and also on the day of their death. So it's a complicated case.
And but somebody in Russia doesn't want continuation of investigation. Wow. Wow,
let's see. There's there's a lot of questions pop in and occasionally I
think I should put one up, and I apologize if I don't get to
your questions today. But this one here, your book. Russia's your USO
secrets. Can you elaborate on documents on Russia's subs in the battle with aliens?
Is that are you familiar with Russia? Okay? What? First of
all, Soviet submarines had encountered unusual objects down below. There had been they
were chased by very gigantic objects. Sometimes usually they could just observe what was
going on. There wasn't battle with you for aliens. There were skirmishes throughout
the history of Soviet You of full research, and I mentioned it throughout and
aliens as not. We can say advanced extraterrestrial intelligence, civilization, or something
else that lives down below. We will discuss it. But Soviet submarines would
be annihilated, yes, by an unknown force, and sometimes we have records
of such cases. But as you can imagine, there is only so much
we can do. So what you had is US terrestrial people observing unusual gigantic
beings or objects moving through the water, you know, shooting through the eyes
coming back into the water, or observing gigantic motherships which would separate into smaller
pieces. And there are cases that definitely I want to bring up in nineteen
fifty three case over Siberia when Stalin died and the uf was hovering over a
very let's say classified area of the Taiga because they had special institutions doing their
own military research. Well, that object, gigantic object was in the area,
separating into smaller objects. And why I bring it up because in the
nineteen seventy nine in the book we have statement of Damoslovski who was with the
counterintelligence naval counterintelligence of the Pacific Fleet, and they mentioned in the area of
secluded area of the Pacific Ocean exactly the same uf O eight to nine hundred
meet meters in size, splitting into the smaller objects which were going down,
descending into the water and later coming up. And they observed it very interesting
stuff. So I hope I answered your question. If you're looking for something
that we you know, we had had to to hand fight with aliens,
No, that did not happen. Our torpedoes would not be able to even
to to to gain on them. Yeah. Before we move on, and
this this is all fascinating to me, but I wanted to ask you what
is the attitude of or what was it of the Soviet Union and now the
Federation. What is our attitude towards UFOs. I know George Nap went over
and was able to get some documents, but what is their attitude as far
as it being a French topic or do they take it serious? And is
there access to two documents? Well, it was a complicated Under the Soviet
Union, you had ideology which we don't have today. Russia is a different
country. I know, it's not being brought up on our newspapers. It's
a different country. Soviet Union was our ideological enemy, so to say,
and the United States was perceived by enemy. But this was basic primitive propaganda.
Now the Soviet Union, they were it was a complicated attitude by the
government to UFOs. They did not they called them a bourgeois inventions or or
you know, fakes enemy uh, you know, like enemy creations to to
full Soviet people. But it wasn't like that. They were confused and they
wanted to find out the answers. That's why they created this special program Sieka
and other ones that existed. Of course, in my personal opinion, based
on my information, I have no doubts that the United States and Russia worked
hand in hand and the most interesting cases which we don't even maybe know about
but the Soviet Union wanted to find out and at the end think because of
Corbacho and everything was changing. They've changed their attitude too, and in nineteen
ninety one they released file of documents from the KGB to Soviet UOFO researchers with
the help of Pabo Papovitch, Ukrainian Soviet cousman, at which we will talk
about because he knew a few things about what's going on down below. We
need to talk about it later. Anyway, documents were released, but of
course not all the documents. We still don't know where the SETCA documents most
of them are. This was Soviet attitude. It continued about nineteen ninety four.
Yeah, you could get very interesting documents. That's why George Knapp could
come to Russia, get part of the SETCA documents and leave without being arrested.
This cannot happen anymore. It's a different reality. And in today's Russia
they continue research. It's much more complicated, less information comes out. But
I have an idea who is doing it, where the bright young people come
from, who do the government research. And it's very much connected to the
Russia's space forces, which have existed since nineteen seventies. Wow, Now,
when you're doing your research, how available is information for you? Do you
just have connections that you can speak, speak to and get somewhere. First
of all, I want to tell you that there's this book that we're talking
about today, of Russia's US Secrets. It was published in Russian and they
I got so much, you know, people told people try to reach out
and thanked me. And I'm proud of it too. I want them to
know history of their navy and what happened, and they made videos about it.
So to many of them it was a surprise. And I find it
interesting because I am a researcher. I know how to get information out.
There are very cool still Russian researchers left in the field. Mihael Gerstein is
the first one still active, still trying to get stuff out. And recently
we got more information about Yakutia, for example, a book who We're looking
For by a local person who is really into this stuff, and you know,
helps other ways. Newspapers in Russia today it's all different, but there
was a period where you they were publishing interesting stories back in nineteen nineties.
Today I would say they we publish all the information. There is not much
coming out from Russia today, but because we live in the age of the
internet, there are interesting videos that are being filled in Russia. And of
course it's it's seventy five percent or more, it's military tests, but not
all people are less afraid. I needed some illustration for my book and then
videos for example areas now you know in the north, not very open areas
around no realisk and others, and the guy told me, yeah, please
use my Here, here's the UFO I've filmed in twenty fifteen. Incredible stuff.
You can use my photograph and it's good. I'm glad Russians are more
open, less afraid, and want to know more about their country. Yeah,
yeah, that's excellent. Here's a question that Jeff has. There's a
lot of anecdotal talk about Russian slash Soviet fate crashes and Russian plants and Russian
plants. Is there any credible sources for that, well, we crashes.
The most interesting one that I bring up is the nineteen seventy eight shoot down
over a few of fall by a very interesting person who actually created the missiles
that brought down Francis Powers. American spy plane. Anyway, in nineteen seventy
eight in Central Asia, they did manage to shoot down a U OF Oh
I don't know what U of fall where it came from, and they did
obtain enough information to do to improve their missiles. How true it is.
I bring up cases and names and involved now Soviet nuclear power plants that's in
Russian. That's a very interesting case, and I made a few videos about
it so people can see and checkout. So of course in the books Philip
Mental and I put together, we have information about visits of uf os to
Soviet nuclear plants and inability of people down below to do anything about it,
just like when they visited Dubna that's a secret facility for nuclear research in nineteen
seventies, and the scientists so this gigantic object over them and they were calling
Moscow and Moscow criminals. Well, don't worry, we're in control. Moscow
wasn't in control. Nobody was in control. And they keep coming to the
air like the other parts of Russia, and very interesting. I bring up
information of Ginnagi Bilimov, who is one of the most interesting Soviet and now
Russian U four researchers who aptually published a textbook on your falls for college many
years ago after the end of the Soviet Union. Well, anyway, he
brings up information about U falls over Russian nuclear power plants and how they were
getting soil collected and brought up to the Ship's very interesting stuff. So,
yes, it does happen. But I want you to be careful when it
comes to crashes. I know there are fakes. I don't know if intentional
or not that keep bringing up information. Oh, yes, the Soviets recovered.
Be very careful that the film you're talking about, it looked like it
was taking place in the forties and the nineteen forties that crash. Yeah,
that's a fake film. Right, there's a lot of fakes. It's like
KGB chasing mummies or racist. We've got to be careful, yeah, right
right, Someone Stephen wants to know about the divers head encountered, encountered what
they encountered in nineteen eighty two and Lake Packai. However, you said you
listen, Martin, if you ever go to Russia, try to visit this
lake because I hope it's it's still preserved. It's one of the treasures of
our planet. Very unusual lake because we don't know exactly what's going on at
the bottom even today, and of what tunnels are connected to it. Anyway,
nineteen eighty two, it's there's a whole chapter in the book about the
so called swimmers, but I'll tell you basic stuff. Through the years,
I was able to confirm the veracity of this story through my own research.
But in nineteen eighty two, a group of Soviet frogmen was sent to catch
gigantic about nine feet tall humanoid beings operating at the lake at the bottom of
the Lake of Baikau. A number of Soviet frogmen perished as the result of
this unfortunate expedition, and then the order came down through this Soviet forces armed
forces do not interfere if you see such creatures beings down below in the lake
or by color is cool in Central Asia, a hotspot for uf fos,
for example, do not bother them. And then I did as much researcher
as I could about similar cases. It about the same timeline in the Soviet
Union, and you know, like we say, wo on, behold,
we found a case from the Sietka files when UFA was crashed and there was
a military crash of the military I'm sorry, a military plane and there was
an explosion and a uf all lefty area. Well before that, the servicemen,
Soviet servicemen observed exactly the same creature nine feet tall, same looking,
the same same features and also addressed the same silvery like suit or what you
call it, whatever you want. And then we bring information about Russian counterintelligence
in the Far East that's next to China. They're a worried and about the
same creature observed in the area. And then how they studied footprints or there
is more. There is more because we bring information from ancient India and the
so called races who lived down below, and we work with an Indian scientist
on this because there is a definite connection going back to the ancient times and
Lake Baikal outside of that had so many cases going back to the nineteenth century
and of course before of strange U of force observed over it. And please
remember President Vladimir Putin went down to the bottom of Lake Baikal in a special
apparatus in two thousand and nine. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah,
And he doesn't do anything without the reason. Didn't they when he was there?
Didn't he find some early vessel, you know, like some pottery or
something. That's what I remember seeing when I watched him in that submarine.
I think they found something. Yeah, I was staged. They put it
for him to find it, of course, But but he knows that.
You know, if I get stuff with my you know, any effort I
can, and I'm a good researcher, I know that. But I also
know my limitations. But if I get this, of course they know what's
going on. I did. Did they have a wonderful you know, I
mean in the efforts that they do. They they have a navy that is
being built and is going to be one of the powerful navies in the world.
They put a lot of money into it. And look they're building up
the Arctic areas now and of course the Far East and NASA Russian Navy is
going to be present more and more in the Atlantic. And it brings you
back to the days of nineteen seventies or nineteen sixties, when exactly the time
when the Soviets started encountering strange objects during their expeditions to the Native waters and
the shores of the United States, and they were going crazy. It's all
in the book in the chapter about Kawakerrie, which means those who croak make
sounds like frogs, that some of the sounds that they observed or heard from
these gigantic objects that appeared out of nowhere, and try to kind of reach
out to Soviet submarines. And you are in the native waters, you are
in a special mission. Americans can attack at any time because they have the
right too. And all of a sudden you see this object and you know,
a Soviet submarine. I think, what is it? So what are
we dealing with? Is this a new American observation system to find out about
Soviet submarines could be But it was not, because years later they found out
during the Peristroika Gorbacho times, they spoke to their NATO colleagues and they found
out that this was no that NATO did not send such objects and vice versa,
that the Soviets did sends up such objects to chase NATO submarines. So
we know now that the Americans and NATO had similar experiences, but it's all
hashed up, but not the Soviet information because it came out because of the
time very persistent. Former former Soviet Navy officers and others, and I bring
them up in the book, such as Yevgenia Ludwinov, who is a very
aged personnel, but nevertheless as a former Soviet submarine officer, a Navy officer,
he was active in the Russian Geographical Society section for the paranormal research.
Yeah, I can just imagine, you know, National Geographic in the United
States having a section for the paranormal research. Well, in Russia it exists.
Not many people still alive, but those who were did a lot of
good research like this litwin Off, and I cherished his books. He's a
very limited edition of his research books on the USO cases throughout the world.
And he mentioned and I am proud that he mentions my research because I published
articles in Russian many years ago, and they were smuggled into the Soviet Union
and finally they were published years later and we could compare information. Listen,
something is going on down the law, something incredible. Chinese know about it.
I have no doubts. Americans and the Soviets worked hand in hand that
that I forget. I mean, Cold War existed for people like you and
me, the people who wanted to change things like I wanted freedom to come
to the Soviet Union, this and that way. At the top, there
was no Cold War information. I believe with one percent information was exchanged.
Programs were being worked out, and we know, we know for sure.
Look at the Phobus mission to Mars in nineteen eighty nine. It was a
joint Western Soviet program. Look at the research of the Marianna Strange and you
know, I bring up as much as I can about Mariana Strange. I
had a video done about three years ago. I had a lot of people
reaching out to me because, yeah, things are going on in Mariana Strange,
and the Soviets were very much interested, and they had Americans aboard Soviet
ships and vice versa, scientists who wanted to know, why is it that
we're losing our equipment and what's going on down below. I want to remind
your listeners that it was the Americans, an American and a Swiss in nineteen
sixty three aboard a Swiss submer battist camp that went down below and for many
years nobody else could get in. But it's changing. Russia is building in
China ever more powerful submersible apparatuses and they're eager to get in especially China keep
an eye in it. They created recently a special Institute for Deep Underwater Research
and they had a few missions down there. The Japanese are ever present in
that area. They know what's going on. And you have the island of
Guam not far away. I wasn't touched with a journalist who published information about
you, of course over Guam Island. Bright young men and Americans should know
is this is the American territory, So try to find out what's going on
there. Very interesting and what I found interesting, Martin, and I want
to finish up with this is that in the midst of the so called Cold
War, about I think nineteen eighty two, nineteen eighty two, and you
will see that day throughout my book, the US Armed Forces decided to diminish
presence of American forces on the island and the troops were cut in. Why
I mean this was nineteen eighty two. China is their Russia. Is there
things are going on on our planet that we can only surmise about and speculate,
But definitely there are areas of the world that are very interesting to the
governments of most important nations. And I would definitely say it has to be
the Arctic, the Indian Ocean, and definitely Mariana Strange. And also because
we live in the United States, we should pay more attention to the Bahamas,
to the Bermuda Islands, Caribbean Sea, because the Soviets when they did
for other reasons, and captains of Soviet submarines presented information about strange also gigantic
and other objects they had seen moving at incredible speed. I would say with
four hundred kilometers per hour, like two hundred and fifty miles per hour moving
back to the submarines, and I have names and dates, and this was
in the brinew that triangle area, also by Bahamas, by other areas.
Very interesting stuff. Wow, this is really fascinating. I know Mark d
Antonio talks about being on a submarine and something was going about two hundred knots.
You know, he was a visitor, he wasn't He was there as
a contractor. And uh, it's quite a story. You know. We
think about the modern what we call the modern UFO era nineteen forty seven on
upward. Did that sort of follow suit also in Russia? Oh well,
in we have first of all, in ancient we can go back to the
times of ancient thrust Rous and others and who I have in my books and
videos. I bring up this various skilled observer and Arab diplomat from the Halifat
of Baghdad who traveled to the reaches of the Volga River to visit local Muslim
states and people, and he observed this was tenth century. He observed an
aerial battle in the sky and the description is vivid, and of course he
was afraid. He started praying and the local people started laughing. No,
no, we see it quite often, very interesting and in the description is
in historical books, and that's one. But of course there were other cases
in the Russian history in the early Middle medieval times and on, and also
Georgia, Armenia, a few other states and Central Asia. This is love
Central Asia and the cases there. And it's a cool lake that I mentioned.
So we have this. But in modern times, you you know,
the biggest case was the nineteen oh eight Tangaska phenomenon, when something exploded or
were staken out, was destroyed or imploded in the sky over the Tiger in
Siberia, and the effects down below were incredible. And this case still still
nobody knows exactly what happened. And then we had a few cases in nineteen
twenties, nineteen fourties during the war, some before the war, but nineteen
fourties there were very interesting cases of you of ours over the battlefields and occupied
territories of the Soviet Union, not occupied territories, and I have videos about
it, and it's outside of that, it's in our books. But also
in this book we have a case of nineteen fifty one when a gigantic object
was going towards the Soviet borders and the Soviets could not stop it. And
the sources is the most trustful pet to Hoof, Alexandra Pete Hoof, one
of the best view of all researchers in the Soviet Union and a scientist,
and you know they had they were previous, so some of the cases maybe
regular Soviet citizens would not be you know, United States has its own uful
history we respected. But what I want to say is that United States is
but one country. You have incredible size wise country like Russia, and you
have China with their cases, and I'm glad I have sometimes ability to see
Chinese developments through the Russian information. They're very much interested and what's going on
in that country. So they had cases that go back to my God,
to the you know, millennia ago, to the Yellow Emperor of China.
I love that period and I did my own research, and most people don't
know about him, but he brought civilization to China. He gave from acupuncture
to sciences, to you know, rice production and so forth. It was
him who brought it to China. But he was the person who ruled for
a long time and find departed on a fiery Dragon spaceship back to the Regulus
constellation. I mean, this is China for you. I'm not even speaking
about some other countries. So yeah, but in nineteen fourties you had another
You asked me, well, you have to understand that, first of all,
United States was a territory for a Soviet espionnash. They had many agents
here, very capable people and those who wanted to help Soviet Union voluntarily,
and they provided information to the USSR and Stalin collected all of it. They
had piles of information from the United States Bade based on Russwell incident and probably
something else we don't even know about. And he collected Soviet top Soviet academicians
and people like Sergey Karlov, father of the Soviet space science former prisoner of
Soviet concentration camps too, and Stalin asked him to give his opinion, his
assessment after his spends a few days secluded with translators in Kremlin. In the
Kremlin, he wasn't allowed to go back home, looking to the pile of
documents they brought from the United States and this was being translated. Life to
Karlov and this was a very interesting person. We'll speak about him more anyway.
His assessment was, yes, you have always exists, based on what
you told me on what on what the spile and no they're No, they're
not a danger to our armed forces. This is what Stalin wanted to know.
That's really something because that's what it always that's always the bottom line.
Um, you know where we talked about are there a danger? No,
they don't appear to be a danger, which is really fascinating. Um,
just observers, I think, um, what about the first one? Sometimes
more that's true. A matter of fact, I believe on your your YouTube
channel you talk about people being hurt by UFOs, we can mention that something
along that line, right, Well, yeah, there're been injured, injured,
detrimental effects and so forth. Yes, that happened too. And also,
and you know, we have to bring it up because to me,
it seems like there are two different forces out here. One is benign and
one is not so benign. Maybe if we're lucky, it's indifferent. But
if you start interfering the will that will destroy those who try to interfere,
which happened a few times in the Soviet in the history of the Soviet armed
forces, okay, and when they were losing aircraft when they try to approach
gigantic discs in the sky or other objects. But benign forces my native Kiev
in Ukraine, and for example, and not too far away from it,
Chernobyl, well, during the nineteen eighties six Chernobyl catastrophe or the faster it
was a UFO that was cited right there on the spot during the explosion in
the fourth three actor that actually diminished the effects of the explosion by a directed
array of energy. And this was confirmed by Ukrainian Soviet technicians and those present
on site, and we have their names in our books too. That's very
interesting. That's one ecology in the Soviet Union. What the communists did to
to Russian ecology or Ukrainian ecology whatever. It's horrible and because there was no
control over over their actions and it will take modern Russia probably a century just
to to clean up. And they will, but the problem is known,
it's not a problem. Maybe a solution is that UF always have been cited
over the most contaminated areas beat in the Arctic where Soviet submarines were put down,
and you know, nuclear stuff, new NUCLEP poison keeps leaking out,
or in the urals or in the lake sarees for example, where it's in
Central Asia, where there could be a horrible disaster if the if the waters
from the lake start putting down into other countries down below. I mean many
cases. And this gives me some kind of hope that at least there is
a force outer that's trying to repair what we have done to the planet.
Yeah. Yeah, And that seems to be a message, you know,
a supposed message. A lot of people that claim they're getting telepathy is about
how we're taking care of our planet. Seems to be a common theme,
common thread. What was the first known USO in Russia? Well, you
know there were in Russia one of the most interesting cases that we present is
the sixteen sixty three case. It was you can say it was combined US
so U A four, which is always the case when an object was sited
over the Lake Raboo. There was a church service on the shore of the
lake and this object kept coming in and out and changing its uh what should
they say, radiants. It's like the trusters, you know, working up
this is and it was observed by a very capable person down below who wrote
everything down, and it scared people and they had biophysical effects. This was
one of the first cases. But you know, if we're speaking about Russia,
Yakutia as part of Russia, and I've studied yakout legends and apples for
for for years, and they know me in Yakutia too, because I brought
up information about their cases and what's going on in their land, well Yakutian
tribes. I mentioned iron fish. This was probably a thousand years ago iron
fish in the waters cold waters of the Arctic Ocean. They called it something
else, of course, not the Arctic Ocean. But that's that's one.
Plus. We have interesting information from the Siberian Waters, Siberian Rivers, and
the god that was worshiped by some people, a very interesting god because if
you look at the description of this deity, you can see that it looks
like an ancient astronaut. Sometimes, of course, you know, you start
getting into local legends, you find out quite a lot. In Karelia,
it's one thing. Or if we speak about the Baltic Sea in the book,
we present a case. It's incredible case. I hope somebody studies it
more. In the Baltics. In eighteen forty five there was this fire that
couldn't be put down in the Baltic Sea and it changed the actually aquatic landscape
down below. All of a sudden soil would come up and where the waters
would become shallow and the Barnhole island that was affected. Now, what's interesting
is that that year, not long before that, there was a strange object,
celestial object flying in the sky and apparently crashing into the sea. And
the Russian navy personnel who was sent to to find out more about this fire,
they observed, yeah, it probably has something to do with the incredible
floods experience about the same time in the Baltic Sea. And with this strange
object in the sky, you know, people talk about the Baltic Sea object
down below quite a lot recently. We don't know whether it is still but
here's something from the Baltics. And also in the book we bring a lot
of case a dozen so more cases going back, you know, from time,
like there was a case from a small lake in Karelia which is next
to Finland, Russian territory, and the strange creatures observed by the lake and
the expedition center. I hope it answers the questions now what I thought the
Baltic, the Baltics c I forget exactly what they call it, Baltics,
c UFO or whatever. I thought that was proven to be our rock formation.
They have not really ruled out that it's ununknown. You know what.
I think the people who found it keep saying that, well, there is
something more to it, and they want to have more expeditions. I think
they're looted for money. That's not my specialty of interest. I'm more interested
in the Russian cases. And but what I think you should keep anne more
and more objects of being found now at the bottom of the sea, and
will because of the technology with our new satellites can observe much more, and
I am more interested, to be honest. In for example, Yucatan Penina,
I had the chance to be there twice the time period of seventeen years
before between my visits, but I did talk to local people. I was
doing my own research while being there, and I talked to local Mexican authorities
because I know that the Soviets, their submarines were operating in the area.
We don't know a lot, We just know some rumors. Some information came
out that they observed under the water roads, incredible roads leading from the Yucatan
Peninsula into the sea, and maybe a few interesting structures. And you know,
recently there was information about discoveries in the Yucatan ancient Maya ruins and more,
more and more, and there are things in the jungle that hopefully being
protected by the local authorities from smugglers we don't know about. Yeah. Wow,
Okay, well it's time for us to go in the break, so
hang on, we'll be right back. Welcome back, and Paul. So,
yeah, this I feel like I could we could talk for hours about
this, and I'm sure you probably could, because it's it's just so fascinating,
and you know, there's if you are ever out on a boat or
out to sea or um like for instance, you know, just playing swimming,
there's always like, you know, I've done a lot of diving in
my life, but I'm never I never have like any type a fear or
something like that. But if I'm swimming on the surface, it's always like
a mystery of what's below. You know, you have no idea what's below
you, but it's gonna get you or not. But so there are you
know, you you talked earlier about this thing that looked like a great big
gear or something under the water. That is that's so fascinating. But someone
did ask in the chat room if you could elaborate more, if you knew
anything more about what we're described as nine foot creatures. Yeah, sure,
like bikelike yeah, yeah, and you know this one and they were seeing
a similar creatures were later seen in other water bodies of the Soviet Union,
but nine feet tall, humanoid like creatures who did not meet any breathing apparatus
while operating down below. That's the description. Noise, not four legs,
not six arms, humanoid, which is, you know, like us,
which I think, in my opinion, most of the intelligent life in the
universe will look like. But that's what had been observed. And again similar
description from the Sietka case that Soviet scientists here Milov, who like a number
of Soviet scientists, was not afraid to study uphology under different names, of
course, And I find it interesting and maybe it's shaming the United States scientists
because here we had in the USSR, under a totalitarian regime where ideology did
not want you to study you of ohs, you still had scientists who were
not afraid to go ahead and study u of oos. When some of them
suffered, some of them were demoted, some loose jobs. Nevertheless, like
Felix Siegel or Professor Burdakov, whom I had the privilege to know, and
he was a great Soviet scientist, Russian scientists missiles space programs, had his
own theories about comments being used as spaceships by intelligence life somewhere, and who
asked questions about the Focus program and others. And here he was a scientist
who was not afraid of what other scientists think about him, or the bunkers
or other you know, busy bodies. And we found out because of these
people so much. And it's even burdakov he met with remember in nineteen eighty
two. I mentioned it a few times now, same year Professor meets in
Moscow with great Herman Obert might say great because he was like Zelkovski into there
were the fathers of more modern rocketry and basically space travel. And they met
in Moscow in nineteen eighty two and they exchange opinions. And Burdhakov, outside
of that, was writing quite a lot about the fobs and others, and
he met with cosmonauts or Ajaja. We have a whole chapter about a Jaja
in this book, and I want I asked people to read it. Ajaja
passed away in twenty nineteen, but before then he brought up incredible amount of
information Vladimir ra Jaja and former submariner. And because of him, maybe we
find out more about the Navy research. Because he was the one given a
new job by the Navy after the Communist Party fired him from his position for
his lectures and he's daring deeds to bring up more information about your foes.
He was fired, so the Navy hired him and gave him the job to
write a scientific document on the problems of such objects in the in the waters.
This was incredible. He got what he wanted. I don't think he
revealed to the end everything that he personally had experienced. He couldn't there were
some secrets they couldn't release, but he personally observed us a very unusual object
when he was a board to Sivianka submarine in his younger years. Anyway,
here was a scientist who was active. He helped create this. You know,
the first Soviet U of our organization officially registered back in nineteen ninety and
he was helped by a Soviet cosmonaut, Pablo Papovic who also Ukrainian and who
was instrumental in getting scientists like Ajaja and researchers protection from those who wanted to
harm them, so to say, in the Soviet Union. And Pablo Papovitch
was the one who received the KGB documents and UFOs back in nineteen ninety one.
We had other scientists like Kademician Traitski, who was actually in charge of
somewhat civilian program to get information from the population and UFOs. See the military
program, secret military program was not enough. They needed more information and because
of that you can see in the book, based on what we found out
findings of that program UFOs and USS in the Arctic Ocean other areas. Or
we speak about scientists Vladimir Lukin, who was in charge of the Antarctic expeditions
and was very instrumental in the Arctic research for the Soviet Academy of Scientists Sciences.
He had he himself observed the U in the Arctic, he and other
scientists, and he was not afraid to speak. So so he came to
the editorial offices of the Russian Anamalian newspaper and en ninety seven he sat down
and he told them of his experiences. I cannot see anything similar in the
United States. I don't understand why I see something similar like that in China,
where you know billions of UNTS go for such research, and who knows
how many groups exist in China to study UO force, but it's all government
research. Of course, you know very little with his review released, but
still it goes on. I remember how curious the Chinese were when I gave
a lecture in Hong Kong speaking about Soviet uopology Russian cases. They're very interested
in this stuff, and I think nobody belittles UOFU researchers like you see here.
You have semi literate journalists in our media, you know, who put
down serious people who do research. If you compare Bruce mccabee to CNN reporters,
there is no comparison. And you know, but yet they would make
fun of you, of all researchers or debunkers that you know that come out
every time some interesting information comes outside. This happened to me in nineteen ninety
three. I was able to get a story published, an article in Omni
magazine about Soviet you of full researchers Russian your four researchers at the time,
and how you know we should help them and bring bridges. Of course,
I was attacked immediately. We should not publish information like that into what the
hell this is not Soviet Union? What do you mean you cannot publish information
like this? But I want in my interviews, I was want to bring
up one fact. American debunkers, their books were published very much in great
numbers into Soviet Union. Donelmn Zel, you know you at one at one
point your force were considered to be ideological creation of the bourgeois society out to
full innocent Soviet people. At the other hand, Donald Menzel and his books
are published, you know, so that's what the world we'll live in.
Wow, amazing, really amazing. As far as when someone has actually witnessed
a USO under the water, do they see any type of propulsion anything that
makes the move? I mean, do they see you know, like for
instance, if there's a submarine underwater in the propeller moves, you'll see like
a swirl behind it. You know, there's there's you can tell what's propelling
it forward. Is there any type of propulsion noted that you're aware of or
noise? There wasn't. No. There are different descriptions in the book of
different cases from the Red Sea to Indian Ocean that we present that describe you
of oose. You know, are objects to go in and out of the
water in different ways, and they have different characteristics to them. But what's
interesting that most of the objects, based on my analysis, do not have
any external thrusters or equipment that needs to move them along. So to say,
and I re present the case about when I say we Philip Mental,
I want to bring up his contribution. He's a great British researcher of you
apology and my coat anyway, There is a case of the Soviet submarine that
that surfaced not too far away from the United States, and they observed a
gigantic cigar like object in the sky. And this was no American airship.
They knew it was much larger. Well, it had no rather, it
had not think in it. It was just a cigar shaped body. It
yes, it's emitted light and so forth. And then a raider did not
register it, but it went down into the waters and into down below and
it disappeared. So you have objects that can come out from the waters into
become uo fozen, then go down become usos. Others. I remember that
we put recollections of for example, late By Crepiva was Ukrainian former submariner,
and I knew him. Also we exchanged a lot of information, and he
mentioned lectures that he attended by submarine officers, and they talked about this and
this subject. But always they start speaking about most interesting, these strange objects
they saw down below. This was during the Soviet times. Gigantic objects movable
at incredible speeds rising up. They could see them in periscopes at incredible velocity
through the waters. And no, there was nothing that you could really make
out and such you could and we and I translated with my new detail objects
that has strange UM shapes on them or protruding um parts, and I try
to give as much information as possible, and you will you will see a
great variety. We're not dealing just with one type of u of ose us
os or one type of beings on this planet. This is based on my
research. And I want to bring to your attention ancient legends of the tunnels
that go around the world and connect different parts parts of the world, because
I think we're getting more and more into that um situation, finding out more
like Lake by Cow. The legends have it that it's connected with other parts
of the of the planet with tunnels that and it has life that other lakes
do not have. Or we should speak about the Indian Ocean because this may
be one of the most interesting areas for USO research. There's not a lot
of great story a lot of stories, but there are some about the Indian
Ocean. What's interesting should be interesting to your listeners, and we bring it
up in the book. Is that audience. Is that Pabo Papovich, the
cosmonaut I mentioned before, he and other cosmonauts had some kind of source of
information that they if they could use as reference. Speaking about ancient visit stations
of our planet by sentient beings from elsewhere. It's like ancient alliens, okay.
And he even goes into more deeper in indications, and he mentions that
there are the three basis on our planet of such beings. And he mentioned
to other locations, but one of them is the butt of the Indian Ocean.
And you will see from the cases we presented that most of the cases
do not take place in the Indian oceans, but those they do are very
interesting. I will never forget this. In nineteen seventy six, there is
a case in the book how the Soviet crew of a Soviet ship they were
scared to death by the gigantic wheels under the water or a light that was
circulating around them for a long time. And this was actually published, I
believe, in two Soviet publications, including nineteen seventies newspaper. Do you understand
how serious the case was that the Soviets published about it. Two They didn't
say it was aliens or something else. But that's the Indian Ocean for you.
And that's one of the least explored territories. But the more we find
out, the more way have capabilities. Like in India not long ago they
found an ancient seaport Sea Harbor, I think about five or six years ago
and the strange, strange ruins connected to it. Well, I'm sure we'll
find out more about, you know, by the Arabian Peninsula and so forth.
That's very interesting and it brings me back again to to ancient Indian to
Mahabarakta and the confirmation we had of those beings, that the raaces that were
fighting one each other and their mythology, but the description of weapons and their
presence down below under the waters and where else they were present. And you
know where else on our planet they're present like uh, you know him alliance
territories and so forth. And you will see the connections I made with Russian
research amazing up now, you know you think of you think of water,
as you know I mentioned it earlier that you know, these things are seen
to travel between two mediums like it's no problem at all. But anything in
water, anything that moves through water, it's so dense, you know,
pushing it forward for even a submarine to do. You know, twenty knots.
It takes a great deal of energy. And how can someone even fathom
something that they see going four hundred miles an hour in the water under the
water. I mean, how can you even speculate how something can do that?
I don't know how kind of living organisms through life moving in such incredible
speed and then stopping all of a sudden. It's it's incredible. But but
again, you know, you see recollections of submariners and I went through I
went through two forms where Russian submariners and former Soviets exchange information and very bright
people, you know, very educated, and that's how I got a lot
of um uh supporting information about the quackery case. That I mentioned those strange
objects that so submarines encountered, and uh, you know, one of them
recalled how their submarine was hit by something, or another one recalled that in
the waters where the squackery were observed, how one of them moved at incredible
speed next to the to the submarines. And they just couldn't they designed to
support the submarines, couldn't couldn't understand how can living something living be aboorded submarine.
So maybe it's not a living organism. Maybe it's being manned by robots.
Uh, you know, for example, we just don't know enough because
nobody captured the submarine like that. It's impossible. But I am I am
sure one that China, USA and Russia at the very top level, they
have to exchange information like this, and based on what Russian researchers such as
Yuris Dragana years ago brought up, somehow information came out that back from nineteen
fifties, probably from nineteen fifty six, there has been cooperation between world powers
when it came to us all research and they cannot neglect and presence like this
in the oceans, no way. I know. The Russian Navy will not
neglect it. And maybe one of the reasons why Putin is putting so much
money into the build up of the navy is not so much any threat from
the United States. It's non existent if you think about it, you know,
you don't see a threat from Russian navy to to to the American navy.
China, well, you can speculate about the South Sea Islands, this
and that. But they also do joint trainings I think once in a while
with other countries so I don't want to be naive about the subject. But
also I don't want to over emphasize something that doesn't exist. It's I want
you to to look on land, in this sky and underwater things are happening.
Our governments are trying to build up defense systems. They know why.
For example, look at the space force creations that President Trump recently did in
the United States. And this is you know, following the Soviet Union and
Russia after decades they had it for nineteen sixties on, and they have very
capable young people, young scientists who operate space forces and all, you know,
all the technical needs necessary for new satellites and so forth. They know
there is something in the sky. I remember in one of my videos about
the Russian space forces, I mentioned that in nineteen seven, sorry, twenty
seventeen, they had about six hundred thousand cases of objects come into the atmosphere
from outer space that they're studying. This is yes six. And then now
you have the United States active, you have China which is extremely active,
and I pay attention to what they do on the dark side of the Moon.
Furthermore, I mentioned that's my separate research, how China is going to
land on one of the asteroids were supposedly there could be observation stations by so
called aliens of our planet. It's going to happen, I believe, in
a few in twenty twenty four, if I'm not mistaken. And China is
building up underwater scientific facilities. They're not shy about it. They you know,
they definitely bring for this information. So I don't think the United States
will be far behind. And Russian scientists are working on getting ever more deeper
into the for example, very An a strange so you know, you have
similar efforts all over now. They don't always work together. Sometimes it's easier
to get funding from a congress or Duma Russian parliament when you say, well,
the other ones they're building up weapons, we need to do something similar.
That's how they get research money. But more and more, more and
more developments are taking place. Yeah, that's amazing. It would be great.
I mean, it seems like it would be a goal where countries could
work together and try to solve the mystery. You know, it would be
good for everybody. It will be great, of course, but you know
you cannot United Nations is not something you can count on, and somehow they
have to work together. But you know, people ask me sometimes, well,
what's going to happen if Alien's land or how would look? We have
so many diverse cultures on this planet. We have so many religions, so
many leaves, and you know, it's it's hard to explain to some of
them, um, what can happen, what would happen if and developments that
have happened. And it's too bad because their beliefs will come in conflict with
the with the fact that we're not alone in this universe. And more than
that, you know, you know, we we have had cases and legends
and stories of visitations in our past. They are very interesting facts to confirm
it. And it's in the ancient writings of India and China and in Russia
you can find cases like that as well. But you can't escape it.
Look in southern California, for example, you have Catalina Island. A few
few people in southern California realize the scope of UFO sightings in the area,
and you, as Ohs and even less people would understand that this was a
forbidden territory. In World War Two for American special American forces were being trained
on the island. Who knows what else was happening. Well, there are
different stories about this place or or some people talk about Malibu and unusual sightings
in this area. But you go forward, you go on, like northern
California or Oregon. I remember years ago there was a story that I kept
from a local newspaper, probably in early nineteen nineties, about this unusual noise
that was recorded coming from from down below from the ocean, Pacific Ocean,
and they couldn't understand what it was, and I think they never came to
the conclusion what it really was. But such noises are heard not only in
the American waters in other areas too, and very very unusual phenomena. And
I want to be straightforward with your audience. In my opinion, more than
seventy percent of what has been cited is military. What you see is what
military maybe don't want you to see, but it's military tests in the atmosphere.
That's what you of wows are another let's say, let's give a ten
percent or more that's probably inexplicable, a natural phenomena. We just don't know
how to explain it. Five to ten percent. I reel uful cases that
we may be dealing with most likely are with advanced exeterrestrial civilization or manifestation of
an ancient civilization that is active on our planet. That's just we don't know
too much about, but obviously an advanced presence. It can be found in
legends. It can be found most likely in the underwater territories or in the
tunnels under Asia, for example. I've heard rumors about South America. I
don't know enough, but I do know about Tibet. About Mongolia an area
very much like to research, and we have cases from Mongolia in the book.
Mongolia also has legs and very interesting cases. And I always bring forward
information from Ivan Efremov, who was a great Soviet Russian scientist. He was
a genius in many ways, and he was described as a person out of
bounds of space and time by his American friend in UCLA, a professor A
one. Efremov brought forth incredible amount of information about ancient past and modern history.
And he was also the one who knew where to look for diamond minds
in Siberia, to the effect that the CA GiB started started following him and
very much interested in his persona. He one ear frame of was the one
that influenced many cosmonauts and people like me with his beliefs in outer space exploration
and presence of advanced extrasial civilizations throughout the universe, how they will work all
together. His books are incredible. But more than that, he was in
Mongolia in late nineteen fourties in expeditions. They're very curious expeditions to find dinosaur
bones, but they found a few other things, including a skeleton of a
gigantic being, remember nine feet being people ask me about the swimmers were Well,
in Mongolia, he knew where to take his expedition to exactly, and
it took them a while to be able to get into the to get action
into the cave and so into the grave of this strange being that was buried
there for some reason, nobody knows why. And it was a very unusual
skeleton of a nine foot like being. And the skeleton was given to the
Soviet archaeological expedition later because Efremov still had to do things in Mongolia, but
there were pictures that were forbidden in the Soviet Union. Well, I bring
up as much as I can about him, and again, here is Mongolia,
here is strange things that are taking place there. And we had Nikolai
rich the great Russian painter and philosopher, who most likely was a KGB agent
for some time during his expeditions in the area, and he talked about strange
people that sometimes come out from nowhere and Mongolia from under the ground, so
to say. And they trade coins that nobody has ever seen before. So
you start taking one part you know, to another, and I'll just finish
off with one year frame off because I want people to know more and more
about him. He was considered to be an extraterrestro by the KGB, and
when he died, they raided his apartment. They took away all his things,
and they also wanted to take away their urn where his ashes were kept.
But his wife, Taia Ramaba put her foot down. She was a
willful person and did not let the KGB take it out. His case is
still classified. There are forty four zero volumes pertaining to the investigation. There
is no more Soviet Union, but his cases still you still cannot get to
those files and it's not safe to ask too many questions. This person was
a scientist, a writer, magnificent book. More than that, he knew
about Africa, he knew about others, and knowledge that nobody knows how he
came about. Because of him, I made my own trip to Africa many
years ago and did my own research in Southwest Africa, and I tried to
bring more about Namibia in my videos because they also have very interesting lakes and
very interesting stories. Wow, that's that's totally fascinating, you know, going
back to the USOS in general that you've researched, I was thinking, is
there any is there any convincing photographs ever taken or film or sonar records that
are available? I mean, has anyone ever captured at anything that's uh actually
like evidence? Look at the photographs in du book. We have several the
latest Yes, yes, yes, especially when it comes to the territory of
the United Kingdom South Georgia Island and Soviet submarines and so called fishing fleet.
Because they were doing other things there, they took photographs of the strange objects
in the sky over that island. I'm sure the British are modest and don't
want to talk about it, but Soviets had to describe the u of alls
they observed during their I'm sure espionage missions and the waters of Saint Georgia.
There are some other ones. I think the latest one we had a Ukrainian
case from two thousand and six where Black Sea. You asked me about the
Black Sea and how they cited an object. It was a board. I
believe it was the Russian submarine, but the Ukrainian scientist was present and not
a photograph, but I think that's what is it called. I forgot about
it, but what you will see it's a photograph but with some other technology.
It's in the book. A few other illustrations. I think one of
the most famous Soviet photograph taken of an object that was ascending from the waters
next to the Soviet ship. It's there. So whatever we were able to
collect and I got from from the former Soviet Union and so forth, it's
there. And you know, in my other research in the YouTube channel,
for example, like I said, I get more. I get photographs from
modern Russia or or whatever other depictions we can get. Sometimes videos too.
It's not you cannot keep things like that under lad too too much. You
cannot. And the time comes when people want to know you. I always
bring somebody I really respected. It was our former President Gerald Ford when he
was a congressman, and how he was adamant about getting fourth information from the
US Air Force about cases in nineteen mid nineteen sixties, there was so many
UFOUR cases here in the United States. But I compare them two cases in
Soviet Union, Central Asia, for example, during the horrible earthquakes in uh
Tskant, you know, about the same time. But there are cases all
over the world and fascinating people. People wrote to me Americans, they said,
Paul, you know we you know, you brought up this case in
nineteen sixties, nineteen sixties, but this is what I saw when I was
a child in Chicago. For example, UFOs over this part. I'll never
forget it. And you know, people start exchanging information. But gerald Ford
brought forth disinformation, and you know, there were a few others that they'll
bring photographs. I'm sure they're locked up incredible photographs, you know, in
the archives and the United States, and I am not sure if we ever
we will see them. It's not for me or you to decide, but
hopefully one day. Yeah, I like, uh, you said earlier,
what you what your your thoughts were on what these things are? And that
was interesting. I had. I heard many people talk about, you know,
the possible the military is possibly you know, a segment and the anomalies
possibly a segmentum, and then the possibility of extraterrestrial and then I have never
heard anyone say what you said about the ancient part of that. That's the
first time I've ever heard anyone ever bring that part into it. I think
that's that's pretty interesting. Absolutely, I want, I always want to give
to give honor to Soviet scientists who started speaking about so called ancient alien hypothesis,
palio contact, that's contact from the ancient times, that's what they called
it. And we're publishing as much of their views as possible. And I
bring up Garbowski in the book and how much information he collected, Alexander Garbowski
or other writers, even going back to Alexandra Kazansov, who was a Soviet
engineer who was the actually the first one who who started bringing information about nineteen
oh eight Tangaska phenomenon as being an explosion of an alien spaceship. Look,
he was well connected. He was never purged in the Soviet Union in nineteen
thirties under Stalin, although he was in New York for a special exhibit in
nineteen thirty nine. I forgot the world exhibit something like that. He was
here. He had incredible connections because of him, people like that Kazanzov and
his beliefs in also ancient and civilizations coming to our planet. That's how you
apologists started in the Soviet Union, under the guise of lectures about the Tangasca
or this they could speak, started speaking about your force back in nineteen footies
when Stalin was still alive. That's one thing. But we had others,
And I gotta tell you, well, before Western writers they exposed, they
exposed information about ancient aliens. But there are civilians, even if well connected.
But then you had Pablo Papovitch, a cosmonaut who spoke about only one
of another cosmoat who recently passed away. I had nothing but respect to him
or who his role was very different in your full research than Pablo Papovitch.
Well, anyway, although he did not believe in the presence of any so
called aliens anywhere in the Solar System, he nevertheless said that we know that
our planet was visited millennia ago by advanced exeterya still beings there were, you
know, and it's not the only one. So this is very interesting stuff
and it brings up we don't know what they discovered, what they had in
their hands. In my research, I always bring up information, by the
way, which Professor Burdakov whom I mentioned before, he talked about it about
the Soviet scientists being given an object back in early nineteen fifties to assess and
to give their explanation about what is it that you're holding in your hands?
Top scientists, and they couldn't at the time. Well today, well know
what a microship looks like, but they didn't know back in early nineteen fifties.
I mean, if somebody told me this story, I would say,
okay, where is the source. Professor bak Of again, who worked for
thirty two years or more in the Space a Vehicle design Bureau of Sergey Karlov,
who wasn't afraid to speak in about your force when he worked in the
Pukawa Observatory. Here's here's the source. And we had more. Kiev,
where I am from, had a very interesting case. It was about a
so called rocket which was discovered for the second time back in nineteen forties.
He was discovered before, but then they they did not want to excavate it.
Under the Czaris times, they had more, more, more and more
and more modestly, let's say, they didn't want to deal with something they
didn't understand. In nineteen forty six, there was no modesty. They uncovered
a rocket ship like object in Kiev. Apparently they cut it in several pieces,
they being whoever was in charge of the expedition, and it was transferred
to Moscow. What's interesting that, according to to the son of one of
the archaeologists who worked into this, inside the inside that rocket ship there were
writings similar to ancient Sanskrit, the language of India. Wow, this was
and still you know, there's only very little information about it. But also
in nineteen fifty three in Kiev there was a KGBX operation to uncover a chest
which was also contained ancient manuscripts which described something like Star Wars battles okay in
many languages. And somebody who was inside but was afraid to speak for years
about it, he spoke about it. But I also had my own separate
research and this is in my video about Armenia as involved. But what happened
is during the if you remember the Alexandria Library, almost everything was burned by
fanatics, all the books, but not all. There was a There was
a manuscript and a map of ancient Mars which only had one satellite, not
to one satellite, and this was found its way to Armenia in ancient times.
And there was a case of the KGB, one of the KGB agents
actually getting his hands on the manuscript. And it's a fascinating story, I
believe. I give my conclusion, but I think that document is one of
the most important archives in Armenia still today, and I give dates and more
than that. So here is another one. But it takes you now to
another territory which is fascinating Mars, and it's two very interesting satellites for Bus
and Demos. And I know that Boss Aldrin could give much more information,
I'm sure than he gave recently speaking about this strange monument on Phobus. I
know what the Soviet scientists knew based on my information from Professor Burdakov and Marina
Popovich. I met her in Los Angeles many years ago and she gave me
the photograph and a few other information bids about the strange demise of the Soviet
spacecraft in nineteen eighty nine. Bottom line, Phobus most likely is an artificial
creation put in the orbit of Mars. Who knows when our governments know about
it, and they are eager to get to it. Some expeditions failed,
like the joint Western Soviet expedition in nineteen eighty nine. Here's an example of
joint efforts. Another one failed, it was the Russian Chinese. But more
keep your eyes out on that part of our solar system because Phobus is definitely
something where we want to get to. And I think that I planned expedition
for the next in the next five years, because there is something on that
moonlet that doesn't want us to do tests on its surface, or maybe just
being present in that part. I remember there's something about that of that it's
like looks like a potato or something I remember hearing about. It's a strange
looking moon. It's spooking. It doesn't how come it has so many,
you know, m traces of volcanic activity, but it cannot have volcanoes.
It's it's a small object. Listen to this many years ago Professor Shklovsky,
friend of Carl sagan In back in nineteen sixty three in the Soviet Union,
he came out with the hypothesis that phobus and demos are artificial bodies and the
hollow inside and he changed his opinion. I don't know, I didn't know
under whose presence pressure later, but he was very adamant about it, and
he spoke about hollow inside of the of that potato like celestial body. Not
long ago, European scientist, I think it was about four years ago,
confirmed that phobus is a hollow body. It's like they, but it's the
Americans also. You know how it was discovered, you know, let's put
it in italics. Discovered by an American astronomer, for sure, in ninety
eighteen seventy six. Until then, nobody knew about their presence, right except
Jonathan Swift knew about it. And in the Troubles of Gulliverer he describes two
moonlets of Mars. And if you have time, the listeners, they should
go back and read the description of those strange moonlets and compare to what we
know about them today. So here is this ancient knowledge, ancient knowledge that
somehow we get bits and pieces of it. But it's fascinating stuff. Yes,
that is. And you know, I mean, if you want to
speculate about, say, if we've been visited, you know, it wouldn't
have anything to do with our development and our time now. If we're being
visited, we could have been visited for a million years or however long you
know, there were species walking around this planet, we could have been visited.
Because if there's another civilization, an intelligent civilization, or many intelligent civilizations
out there and they're actually figured out how to travel here, it would have
nothing to do with our time now, because for our times to line up,
you know, doesn't really matter. Remember the Ural Mountains, it's I
always tell Americans who visit trust this. It's it's a wonderful, very picturesque
territory, but it's full of mysteries. And one of them is of the
nanotechnology like objects found by Russian geologists back in early nineteen nineties. And I
know those people. I corresponded with some of them and I they sent photographs
of those objects. It's like something exploded in the urals and the diameter of
the explosion was probably hundreds of miles, and it most likely it happened about
three hundred thousand years ago based on what they could do to date it.
And of course the objects were found deep below the soil, not on the
surface. And I wish there was money to study this because there are still
people in Russia still the scientists um who was observing and she still has it
in her safe and others do. But but there's no there has not been
serious study of these objects. But they said, look, it's it's not
it's not our military. They went to the military, Russian military, and
they said, no, this is not our projects. This is not something
that we could even do today. This is very interesting stuff against ural mountains,
and there is more about the urals. I wanted to show you this
object, and of course it's for people on YouTube. This is a place
I um when I was hiking in Russia that I came to and I forget
what they're called. I'm sure you may know what they're called, Dolman.
That's right, that's exactly right. Yes, And they're ancient they have because
it's stone and cut stone. They have absolutely no idea how all these things
are, but they could they speculating over twenty five thirty thousand years ago.
But I don't know why. I wanted to bring that up, but I
just think that it's fascinating. Though. Let me tell me. I think
we also mentioned them in the book. But there is a legend in the
Caucasus territories about dwarf like was very small human und creatures. They came from
the ocean, and who built up those domains and they had strange knowledge.
And again the size of the creatures takes me to the Ural mountains and they
shoot people that were rumored to go and live in the boats of the mountains.
But let's go back to the Caucasus Mountains. They built up those domains
and they were not like religious. There were someone for some other purposes.
You can find them in not far from nowhere, sisk I think, but
also through the Caucasus Mountain territories. And one not long ago, some idiots
I decided to see if they can take apart one of those structures and put
it back together. And they could not. They could not put it back
together. They were and nobody knows why. I mean Caucasus Mountains, cough
Castle and Russia. He's a fascinating territory as well. I brought up in
articles and in my video information about the objects that were observed over Georgia Kingdom
of Georgia back when the Mongol Empire attacked them, and another from Armenia as
well of objects that had been cited there. It's fascinating. But even before
you start getting into more ancient times and sing reports. And what's interesting when
we speak about those nine food creatures that I was asked about swimmers. I
found a fascinating story in a book that was published in the United States in
nineteen twenty five by a Georgian emigree and how he when he was a boy
and other boys were able to get inside the cave in Georgia submerged caves now,
but at that time they could get into it and they found skeletons of
nine food humanoid beings inside that cave. Can you believe it? And it's
not the only place, I'm sure in the former Soviets there are stories from
Lake is a cool But again, nine food not not gigantic beings, but
taller than us. That's fascinating. Wow, let's see we have we have
about let's see about six or seven minutes. But one thing I wanted to
make sure. I also wanted to show you this. This was my favorite
one that we found. I really like this one and I walked all around.
I think I got a bunch of pictures of it. They I can't
believe the way they cut into however long ago it was where they cut from
one rock right into another, and that always fascinates me. With you know,
early architecture around the world. How they can cut stones so amazing with
what type of tools you know, Yeah, absolutely great. One thing I
wanted to make sure that we got across air beside your book, and by
the way, anyone listening to the show, in the show notes and also
on the sidebar on my website podcast ufo dot com, you will see access
to this book that we've been talking about this evening. But what about your
YouTube channel? You're doing some great shows. A number of people in the
chat room wanted me to tell you that they really liked your channel a lot.
And I do have one question I promised I put up there in a
second. But let's give information about how people can get to that YouTube channel.
Very simple, par and normal research, Paul stone Hill. Just you
know, get footed into the search in YouTube and you will come into my
channel. And I every week I try to put up more videos on different
subjects related to Eurasian and of course Russian paranormal and more. For example,
I want to work on the cases from the eighteenth century. It was a
magnificent and the bloody century in the history of my country. But many things
happened, many things were found and pretending to to let's say, paranormal research
and strange people who conducted it. And I promise I'll bring more videos about
this subject, but also about other aspects of Russian and Central Asian and Chinese
paranormal just as long as you know I have the ability to do it all
continue, yes, I'll say, Okay. The question, let's say the
same person asked two different questions, so along the same line. This is
from Stephen. How have the governments been able to maintain the UFO secrecy for
so long? I'm sure that they have great capabilities in their hands to do
so. They have agencies to help them protect this information, and it's a
national security issue for such governments, so no efforts, unknown money will be
spared to do so. Okay, very good. Here's another question I thought
was kind of interesting. Has Putin never commented on or touched upon? Dave?
You know UFO or USO phenomenon in any degree. Absolutely. About a
month ago I put up a video of Vladimir Puttin and UFOs. All the
information is in sight, including what he said in two thousand five and what
he is at the time president of Russia midvideo said in later years. Conflicting
information, but very interesting. And I want to assure you that Vladimir Putin
is very serious about developments in the sky over Russia and in the waters around
Russia as well. Wow. Well, and someone asked earlier on I can't
find it right now, but what is your favorite USL case if you have
one, my favorite U I have a number, a number of cases to
me. One of the most interesting cases was what happened to the Soviet ship
Nomura Sisk when it was completely disabled by US. But also also cases in
the Far East and around comp Chatka, especially comp Chatka Peninsula. It's a
very interesting area to keep your eyes on. And probably yes, so ahead,
go ahead. Probably cases around the Coil Islands very interesting. We have
just a couple of minutes, but can you just for my own interest,
because Nova Assist is the place that I got there, and so what this
thing was disabled? You said, well, yeah, but it was disabled
that the ship not no, what a season. It was the ship,
but it was the name of the ship. But it was disabled by I
say, the name of the ship was going and uh, hope, I
we call it correct. But no, it was disabled. It wasn't that
long ago. It was back in earlier I'm sorry, in late nineteen eighties,
but still under the Soviet regime it was completely disabled. And but the
most scary um case goes back to nineteen seventy seven when a Soviet submarine base,
floating submarine base was approached by nine objects and the and the strange dance
they did in the sky over this submarine base in the in the secret waters
of the Arctic Ocean, and what the captain did, how he forced the
crew to write down what was happening because he didn't want to be considered to
be an insane person when they got to shore. Wow, that's pretty fascinating.
Well, thank you so much. And the name of the book again
is Russia's Let me get to it. I see it, Russia's USO Secrets
Unidentified Submersible Objects. And you can finish the rest because I can't see it
in international Waters. Is that yes, yes, thank you, yeah,
all right, we'll make it too completely Russia's USO Secrets. You will find
it, yes, and written by you and with Philip Mantel as well.
He'll be on the show in a few weeks down the road. So thank
you so much, Paul. It's been a real pleasure as always, really
really nice to talk to you tonight. Thank you so much, all the
best to thank you. All right, sure, all right, everyone,
So that's it for our show. The tenth of November, that's when I'll
be back and I'm going to be with a Irene Previn from Australia. I
want to thank everyone that listened to the show and for the people that have
helped out as well. I appreciate it all. Thanks for your good questions
and chat and I think that's going to do it for today. And remember
to keep your eyes to this guy.