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Well kind of sort of yam,
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down this wall, read my lips. It's the Ricochet Podcast with Rob Long

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have oursels a podcast. And the
numbers have been improving the number of crimes

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on subways has been declining, and
I don't want people to feel anxious again

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when something like that comes to lighted. To do it is keeply disturbing.

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of the Midwest. Peter Robinson is
in California in a in a civilized enclay

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with barbarism all about I predict,
and Rob long as usual, is in

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Gotham, which is either the epitome
of the civilization and fine living or a

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hellscape in which the tunnels that run
to ground are beset by madness and murder

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of the most dystopian order. Hi, gentlemen, how are you today?

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That's probably so well, that's the
news this week, of course, is

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that there was a gentleman who was
talking loud on the subway and got choked

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out, and so everyone is retreating
to the usual stances. What do you

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make of this? Is this a
Bernie gets moment which results in I'm not

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exactly sure what Bernie gets resulted in. Are we going to get more of

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Curtis Slee wat types to guard the
population because the civic authorities seem unlikely to

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do so. Is this another opportunistic
way of taking somebody's death and making from

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it a bunch of statements that are
applicant. Give me your take, Rob

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it's your town, it's about town. Um uh, well, I mean

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I don't think it's going to sound
like a Burnie gets moment. Some people

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are depending on you know, how
you're disposed, right, Bernie gets uh,

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famous famous subway vigilante Bernie gets if
you're you know, under the age

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of ninety, maybe you need to
have a refresher. I was on the

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subway, he was he was attempt
somebody attempted to mug him. Some some

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some robbers attempted to mug him.
He pulled out a Yeah, he pulled

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out a It turns out it was
a screwgar. He pulled out a gun

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and shot him. And so he
instantly became either vilified vigilante in the you

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know, in the in the style
of the time, right, which was

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sort of a time of Charles Bronson
runs, etc. That wow, or

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he became a folk hero. It's
important to know, by the way,

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that the crime still like stored in
New York City. The high water or

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low water mark, depending how you
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City was nineteen ninety UM. So
he sort of crystallized what a lot of

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people thought about New York City,
which was said it was you know,

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this dangerous place where um, where
thieves were all over and you put a

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sign in your car in window back
then, I mean really up until the

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early nineties saying no radio in car
because they had to a thing called the

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smash grab. People just smashing their
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Um. This is different because everyone
has written the subway feels has has felt

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at risk. Not from somebody trying
to steal. It's not from some some

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you know, violent but rational actor
rights of thief trying to take your money.

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I want your money, you have
money, give me your watching,

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your phone and your money. But
by some ambulatory psychotic who has been in

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and out of some version of prison
and psychiatric care. Uh and is now

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wandering the streets and is capable of
any kind of irrational, sudden, irrational

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violent movement like pushing in front of
a train. That's very different. Um.

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I mean I think at this point
muggers would be a welcome relief.

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They'd be oh my god. But
the return of the muggers would be like

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thank god, people you know regain
insanity professionals. Yeah, So this this

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is I think a watership moment for
a lot it is. Unfortunately, it

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is not a watership moment for a
lot of people who for whom it should

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be, which is their reflexive attack
on the guy who protected people in the

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subway from a known, unknown,
violent criminal with forty two prior arrests,

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two outstanding lawrence and an outstanding lawren
on him. Um. This this,

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this, this, this actually is
a great big divide. It's not between

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liberals conservatives, really, it's between
um progressive politicians, elected politicians who are

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busying themselves with you idiotic waste of
time. Um, like you know,

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trans education and prosecuting a former president, and citizens of a city that just

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think, okay, that's all cherry
and cherry and hot fudge sauce on top.

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Let's stick to your knitting. Subways
are dangerous places, and they and

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they shouldn't be and and and the
fact that they are isn't a failure of

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the police, right. It isn't
like in the sixties and seventies and eighties

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where you said, well, you
know, the NYPD is pretty corrupt or

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there this or that that. It
is not a failure of policing. It's

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a failure of the of the of
the system that is being administered. This

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guy was arrested forty two times.
So it's not but it's not a failure.

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If this is exactly what the intended
outcome should be, that it would

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be a failure. That could be, but you know what I mean,

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I mean, if the propective of
a citizen, Yeah, if if if

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if they the point is to not
get these people criminally justice system involved and

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to remand them to some sort of
restorative justice program. That is not a

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failure at alities. But then he's
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It's the exact outcome they desire and
believe is good for society or at least

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the individual, or at least their
sense of justice. Um. Yeah,

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I would just say the difference here
is that this is a No one is

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saying that this guy is a The
point about this guy isn't that he was

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a bad guy. It's that he
was an insanely an insane person who is

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dangerous and he's wander around the streets. Um, and that seems to be

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Um that that is actually crossing a
lot of partisan lines right now in here

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a city, which is sort of
a good thing. Thank god they still

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want to vote any differently, Peter, you have in California, and it's

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a large place. It's huge.
I know I can just make broad,

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sweeping generalizations. But you also have
a problem with the unhoused, as this

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phrase as a now mentally unwell,
with lots of people who are in various

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throes of psychosis, walking around the
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or frozen in place because they've taken
crocodial or trank or something. Here's the

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thing. We have more of this
now than before when Rob said that previously

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it was just your basic thugs who
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down or stealing rate. Now we
have just crazy, ambulatory people who are

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doing mad, crazy things. Do
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people who are biologically insane because something
got unwired in their brain or as I

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would suspect, this is the result
of a class of drugs that is flying

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the markets and rewiring people's brains and
making them nuts. That we have this

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is not a natural sort of mental
illness. This is a assumed mental illness

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by people who've gone down the route
of drugs, facilitated of course by massive

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amounts of them from China and Mexico. That's one take. What do you

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think I'd go for that? The
crime rate in New York is still lower

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than it is in Detroit and Chicago. We get that tossed at us,

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even as right out here in San
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of violent crime remains low. I'm
happy it does, it takes place,

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but the streets out here are still
in San Francisco. Not where I am

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in Palo Alto, but San Francisco's
thirty miles away. You don't have to

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walk far to find streets with empty
syringes, sidewalks with empty syringes. One

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of my kids drove up and parked
his card to see some buddies, and

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within three hours the window had been
smashed. This happens over and petty crime,

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dirt, a sense of danger.
Now here's what happened earlier this week,

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Nordstrom announced that it's going to close
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That's going to be over three hundred
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space empty. Here's what Nordstrom said, and it's email to employee quote the

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dynamics of the downtown San Francisco market
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Yeah, have they impacting customer foot
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to operate successfully, which means the
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out of the store and feel safe
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the store and in the store.
So it seems to me that the crime

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is one thing, and there's a
blazing incident that gets everybody's attention, like

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the one we opened talking about,
but this overall level of unease that things

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are not are spinning out of control, that the city is no longer being

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run with a primary view to simple
safety and cleanliness, both in New York

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and in San Francisco, and the
feeling that these cities are well. New

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York is so big and so vibrant. It's just the feeling that there's something

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dying, something dying. This is
all unnerving. There is some good news,

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or at least here's can I give
a silver lining here? Sure,

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I'm sure is that in New York
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for San Francisco, but in New
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the same or similar in New York. The crime is not higher than it

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was in the sixties, seventies,
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murder rates, lower, assault rates, I mean, all the indications are

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better than they were if you go
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that there's a whole population of New
Yorkers who who have a I mean,

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and they're young too, they're you
know, maybe they've only been here ten

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years, fifteen years, who have
a memory of this city as incredibly livable.

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Right in New York City even now
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than with a lot of American cities, um, and a lot of world

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cities, um. But there their
standards just were raised under very very good

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firm law and order management, you
know, the one two punch of Giuliani

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and Mike Bloomberg. So there's standards
for what an urban environment should be are

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very very high, and they're very
upset now. James is right. That

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may not translate for a whole bunch
of reasons into sort of something happening at

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the ballot, but it in the
past it has. And the difference here

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is that the people who are living
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seventy, staighties, early nineties felt
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yes, that there was just no
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it. This is just what happens
to these cities. And then it was

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turned around and suddenly, so oh
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can have people sitting out outside of
the streets and little tables, and suddenly

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Brian Park is this beautiful place that
has seasonable like events and it's like lovely.

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It's not a crack. Then it's
not. It's not. It's not

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an open air drug market anymore.
But it doesn't have to be the way

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it was. And I think there
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think, oh, well, this
is simple. The way to solve this

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problem isn't we have to change human
nature or change the course of history.

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We just have to get the successful
policies back. And the successful policies,

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though some will say, included stop
and frisk, it included a whole bunch

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of things that are now off the
table because of disparate impact. You have

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left parties have all made that shift. We're not going to do that anymore.

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This is contrary to our foundational beliefs
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I mean, there was an appetite
for it back then because people wanted something

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done. But now there's all of
these intellectual guard rails that keep people from

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saying, from keep people from adopting
the things that worked before, it seems,

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which is what's worrisome on New York. San Francisco is different in a

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number of ways. But on New
York. I thought Kevin Williamson had a

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wonderful line when he was with us
last week. This is a paraphrase.

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I can't quote him exactly, but
this is a close paraphrase. New York

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is the greatest place in the world
to live as long as the streets are

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safe and the subway works. It's
just not complicated. It's just not complicated

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out here. Our violent crime rate
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The violent crime rate remains low,
but the petty crime rate is way up,

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and you can feel it, you
can sense it. We don't we

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don't have a subway out here.
Like the subway, their buses, there's

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the bart system and so forth.
People rely on that less. For San

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Francisco. Again, it's not complicated. The city is so beautiful, so

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filled with bright young kids, just
such a spectacular place that all you have

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to do is make sure the streets
are clean and safe, and they can't

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do that. It's just astounding.
Well again, Peter, you're talking about

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victimizing the people who are the victims
of capitalists, since we have an unfair

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system that is shot through with inequity, and houselessness is everywhere and untreated metal

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illness abounds because Ronald Reagan personally kicked
open the doors that the mental asylums and

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usshered everybody into the sunlight blinking.
Uh, we can't do anything, can't

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anything that you try to do is
going to victimize the victims, which seems

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to be the take that they have. In Minneapolis, we have not a

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subway, but we have a light
rail system which is becoming well, has

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become unusable for most people because it's
overrun with people who are doing meth and

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fanty and smoking and weed and the
rest of it, and being in their

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seats. Did you say fenty fenty
Yeah? What it is concused of the

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lingo. Yeah, So you have
people who are who are rightly discouraged from

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using it because they fear for their
personal safety. Um, and that sort

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of I mean, when we built
this thing, this huge, multi billion

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dollar system. It was supposed to
be the jewel of our transit stem,

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shuttling people from the burbs to the
jobs downtown. The whole model is broken

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because the jobs aren't downtown anymore.
And this elaborate, expensive system has been

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taken over by people who have no
invested interest in maintaining any some sort of

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social public order. And again we
know what, we know what. The

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solution is. Send in the Metro
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welcome back to the podcast Victor Hanson, Martin and Ilia Anderson, Senior Fellow

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at the Hoover Institution. It's written
more than a dozen books on a variety

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of fascinating subjects, and most recently
The Dying Citizen. You can find his

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pieces latest pieces along with his podcast, The Victor Davis Hanson Show at Victor

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Hanson dot com. Welcome back,
Victor, good to talk to you.

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Thank you for having me. You
know we're going to get to the book

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and the matter of immigration a second
Saint Quadamio being upon us. But we

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were just talking before about the possible
death of American cities, the double whammys

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of crime, people feeling unease,
and the emptying out of the office,

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infrastructure and the rest of it.
We've seen this before, We've come back

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from it before. But are we
a unique inflection point in the life of

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American cities that may actually not be
retrievable. There wasn't the work from home

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option when urban corps were dying before? And now why go downtown? Yeah?

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I think I think we're it's a
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thirty to forty percent. It looks
like these beautiful buildings that were built during

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the Renaissance between two thousand and twenty
fifteen are empty, and when you go

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down Market Street, it looks like
a medieval city. But the other thing

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is this isn't This isn't the Democratic
Party anymore that's running those cities. This

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is a Jacobin party. They have
ideological agendas that are not compatible with the

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old Democratic Party. They don't really
believe that crime is an individual act.

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They believe that it reflects critical legal
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go in and you smash and grab
and Walgreens in San Francisco and you take

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out allergy medicine or something, that's
only against the law because wealthy white elites

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don't steal allergy medicine, so therefore
they make laws against it. So all

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the laws of that are being broken
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these people, so that means and
then the people who live there, they're

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kind of like when you talk to
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sort of like HD Wells Eloy.
They don't they're just kind of I don't

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know, impotent. They just think, wow, I voted for all this

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and then the old days it was
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I'm I'm afraid now these other people
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have taken my life away and I'll
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no I mean, once in a
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a school board member, or they
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High School. It's now a mess. Or but London Breeds not doing this,

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so they recall Budden. But they
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off to oblivion and they don't seem
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chair. It's different. I think
it's much different. So Victor, could

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I ask on that point. Is
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tech boom that we've had here in
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especially vivid here if I'm right about
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But the rich are now so rich
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It's a little inconvenient to have to
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you know, the streets aren't that
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aren't that bad up on knob Hill. So this dispersion of income, the

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rich have really become spectacularly rich,
and they just don't care. They're able

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to insulate themselves. Is that one
reason why there simply doesn't seemed to be

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this a couple of weeks ago in New

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York, and the old days,
Rob and I are old enough to remember

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that town would drift a little bit
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you'd have Then there would be the
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in Wall Street would get together and
say, okay, this is far enough.

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There will be some community organization,
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the wealthy people it wasn't they alone
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backed Rudy Giuliani. They would there
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because there were adults, and they
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enforce the limit. And in San
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I don't know in their minds they've
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the top of this city, the
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That's where we all live. We're
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wrote an article and the current New
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Stanford, and one of the th
was that these people are never subject to

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the consequences of their own ideology.
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Silicon Valley. So we've never seen
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level management that have five, ten, fifteen, twenty million dollars and they

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are thousands, two millionaires, thousands
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around. I talked to people now
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door and said, I'd like to
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California used to be run by Los
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time, the Chandler family. It's
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the dominant force, but after Silicon
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happened. If you look at kill
of what charges, what they've done to

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PG and E. It's the highest
electrical alm in the country, but it's

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predicated on people living there that you
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like we do down here where all
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in Walmart, trying to keep cool. And when you look at charter schools,

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they oppose charter schools, they oppose
teachers unions, but they find a

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way with prep schools to get around
that. So they always and that raises

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a really interesting question whether it's sort
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these problems that they voice their morality

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and cosmic terms, but when you
actually look at their lives, they're completely

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selfish and they don't integrate with people
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they hector everybody, and you can
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but you can see it in San
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you add to that mix, you
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two weeks ago, I just noticed
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there's no kids out there. There's
no families living in San Francisco.

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The schools are dying. So you
don't have a lot of upper middle class

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people who saying, who say,
I can't let my child get on the

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bus or they're crazy in my school. What you do is you have a

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lot of wealthy people and they put
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the peninsula or somewhere in prep school. So there's no families except for the

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Asian community. And they're they're starting
to change a little bit. Even they

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you know, they're more bewildered than
angry. I talked to some people and

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they say, you know, we
sent our kids a low high school.

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It's the best in California. It's
one of the worst victory for our listeners.

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We should talk Lowell High School.
Correct me on this, but Lowell

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High School it used to be competitive
to be admitted, right, and they

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did away with public school. It's
a public school. It's like bed Stye

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in Manhattan, for example, or
Boston Latin School actly. And then they

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did away with the entrance exams,
or in one way or another they eliminated

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or very much dumbed down the standards
and totally change the character of the school.

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but they didn't remember what they didn't

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do. They didn't fire the faculty
or at least immediately change the curriculum.

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So when you admit somebody on the
watery, that is considered by the advocates

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of that new policy as synonymous with
graduation. So the teachers then have to

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graduate those people are that they exhibit
a systematic plan or evidence of illiberality.

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It's like Stanford University. The class
of two twenty six that's coming in,

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according to the Stanford website, is
twenty two percent white, and the SAT

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was optional. They will not reveal
the mean score of the people who chose

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to take the SAT to enhance their
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that's somewhere between sixty and seventy percent
of those who chose to take the SAT,

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and we're among the one percent in
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They reach SECT at sixty to seventy
percent of those applicants, and they

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were proud of that. And so
what does that do to the faculty at

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stand for. If you can't,
you either have to do one of three

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things. You have to change the
curriculum. So if you're teaching history of

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Western humanities Homer to Dante, you
have maybe half the number of authors that

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you did. Or you can inflate
the grades, or you can do what

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one professor said to me, I'm
not going to die on the altar of

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standards. You can keep your standards
and then you exhibit a systematic prejudice that

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will be evident to a diversity equity
inclusion czar. There's eighty of them on

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campus. I mek. So it's
happening all everywhere. And I did a

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Hoover fundraiser to a bunch of Silicon
Valley guys and a guy came up and

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he said, you're so pass And
I said, what, because we've for

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the last three years we give our
own tests. Don't you think that we're

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going to do that someday? We
already do it. We give our own

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private test on coding, and even
for people in HR and PR, we

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want to have a test if they're
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Georgia tech code or electrical engineer than
the Stanford. So I think it's happening.

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People are reacting to this. So
I hey, Victor robed New York

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joining it. So when so when
standards fall, right, they don't just

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fall in a day or overnight.
They fall slowly, and nobody kind of

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notices, right the old frog doesn't
know it's being boiled. Um. But

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just to interrupt myself, if I'm
listening and I'm not from California Stanford and

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I am needing one of them those
things, and you say that people are

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going to be more interested in hiring
somebody from Georgia Tech or somewhere else,

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I think that's great. That's actually
the market working, right, I do.

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I think it's great. So if
the market works here, do you

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think the market's going to work?
Um? Do you think it can work

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the way it worked in nineteen the
nineteen nineties, when um, the most

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dangerous city in America, New York
City, did a law and order mayor

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and within a short order became of
the safest cities in America. Um?

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Do you think that's and and and
an attractive and attracting attracting forces to young

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people around the country? Around the
world to come to the city because it's

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New York City and it's not a
cesspool. Um, do you think the

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market will do you think it's a
market correction that could happen here? Yeah,

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I think there's all these natural symphysical
forces are already. They always react.

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The biggest one that we've seen five
hundred thousand Californians in the last ten

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months left. They just left.
And another example is we in this community

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that I live near is about nine
Hispanic and we're one of the drop off

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points for the open border policy in
the six and a half million illegal entrance.

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But that is creating a huge backlash
by people who will tell you their

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mom can't get into the dialysis clinic, their kid is roughed up at school

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because he doesn't speak Spanish. And
these are Mexican American people voicing these complaints.

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So there's always is going to be
a reaction to the reaction. I

405
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don't know. But the problem is
eventually it works out. But it's kind

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of like Hemingway instead of going broke, you know it, right, we're

407
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graduating then it was suddenly suddenly Now, I think the COVID lockdowns, the

408
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George Floyd aftermath, the rioting,
the Trump, the whole Trump controversy,

409
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all of that, and then the
change in the Democratic Party. All of

410
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that was a perfect storm, and
we this is the most this is the

411
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most crisis I've never seen this country, even the sixties, at this crisis

412
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level. Well, that's interesting.
I'll get to that in a second.

413
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But when you mentioned the five hundred
thousand people in California who move out to

414
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worry, is that this diaspora seeds
these are now red places with people of

415
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blue And yeah, I think that
depends on where they go. You know,

416
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if you're a conservative in California,
you tend to go to Texas or

417
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:41.559
Tennessee or Florida or Wyoming. If
you're liberal, you tend to go to

418
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Colorado or Nevada or Oregon or Washington. Washington, another place that you left.

419
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That's the that's the word when you
said that, where you've never seen

420
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the country in a stead of chrisis. Let's let's go back to the battle

421
00:31:52.920 --> 00:32:00.480
days of public conspicuous political assassination and
in a horrible divisions in the country over

422
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:06.279
an unpopular war sixty seven through seventy
three, Inflation, oil shocks, just

423
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the general feeling of it. I
don't feel that there is a sense of

424
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America in permanent, irreversible decline.
I mean, we got problems, but

425
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:16.759
the sense was all pervasive in the
early seventies. We can't make anything.

426
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:22.079
What we do make breaks, We're
dead for innovation, We're militarily useless.

427
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It was all across the board,
the sense of American decline and crisis in

428
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the late sixties early seventies, as
compared to today. That's my pushback to

429
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.799
the classical scholar who knows more than
I do. Yeah, but if you

430
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:40.440
look at the Stanford Electrical Engineering Department
in those days, or you look at

431
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:45.880
the Harvard English Department, or you
look at the people who were in the

432
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:50.920
State Department, there was a professionalism
still, and there was a miraclecratic system.

433
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:53.519
I went to UC Santacru's right when
that period you're talking about, and

434
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I remember my father brought me from
the farm and he dumped me there and

435
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.400
he said, hey, Victor,
I just walked out of the door out

436
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:04.559
of your co ed dorm and there's
a guy and a woman fornicating in the

437
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.519
shower. And I said, oh
wow, this is going to be interesting.

438
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:12.079
And then he said, look at
that door, and there was drugs

439
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:16.519
listed in the cow College Morrison House, you know, marijuana, psilocybin with

440
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.279
a price tag. So it was
wild. But then when I went in

441
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:25.920
to take a class in classics,
it was almost Renaissance type. It was.

442
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.319
There was you had to turn your
paper in time, you had to

443
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know Greek grammar, and it was
this is at uc Santa Cruz. And

444
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:38.799
that's not true today. And I
know that it was more chaotic, and

445
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:44.279
some of it is. You know, we still was the Reagan Revolution that

446
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:49.640
stopped the continuous sixties. There was
a hiatus for twelve years between Reagan and

447
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.799
Bush and then the younger Bush.
That eight years there were roadblocks, not

448
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:59.720
saying that they were perfect, but
they were impediments. But Barack Obama was

449
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.400
not a traditional Democrat yet he looks
that way now, but he wasn't.

450
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.639
He was considered a more radical Democrat. And now to the extent Joe Biden

451
00:34:07.760 --> 00:34:13.320
is in control of things, the
people who are running this agenda. I

452
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:19.679
guess what I'm saying is in the
sixties people marched on the dean's office today

453
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at Stanford to take the example,
I know, but the revolutions coming from

454
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:28.159
the Dean's office. They marched on
the Pentagon. The revolution is coming top

455
00:34:28.239 --> 00:34:31.519
down from the channel, Mark Millie, I mean, you're short. This

456
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:37.119
hadn't happened during Vietnam. The volunteer
Army had all the people we needed.

457
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.960
We're short sixteen thousand people in the
army. And I have a kind of

458
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.480
a joke when I used to when
I talked this year, I'd on military

459
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.320
affairs to audiences, I'd say,
Okay, anybody's kids going to go to

460
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.199
the military. They all said no. And then I got the same refrain,

461
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:58.679
Oh, my father fought in Vietnam, my husband fought in the First

462
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.400
Golf War. I'm not sent in
my son. And then when you when

463
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:07.800
you look at the data, white
males died at about double their demographics in

464
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:14.000
Afghanistan and Iraq. I don't know
if that's good or bad, but of

465
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.519
the casualties in frontline combat white males. But if you go out and target

466
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:22.000
that group and you say that you're
going to root out white rage, as

467
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:28.719
Millie did or Austin did, Chief
of Neville, and you don't present data

468
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:34.320
that there is an epidemic of white
rage, then you alienate those people.

469
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.320
Same thing with the transgender and they're
not joining there. It's a mass.

470
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:43.199
If you look at all the data
that routbreak is irresponsible for the shortfall,

471
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.800
I hadn't seen that before. I
think that's really going to that's going to

472
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:50.840
affect it's going to affect the efficacy
of the military very quickly. I think

473
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.519
the Navy entering into a marketing partnership
with bud Light, as they've announced,

474
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:58.960
I think that altered everything around it. Yeah, so I think it's a

475
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.079
little bit, a little bit,
it's not as dramatic. You're absolutely right.

476
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:07.119
There's not the explosions and the weatherman
at least yet. But the difference

477
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.159
was when you had the Watts riots
or you had the Rodney Kings riots,

478
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.800
then you had the police. There
was a sense George W. I'll give

479
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:21.480
you an example. Colin Powell called
up George W. Bush during the the

480
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:25.400
Rodney king as Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs and said, if you need five

481
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:31.480
thousand troops, mister President, you
have them. And Bush sent five thousand

482
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.960
troops right into Self Central. When
this happened, and Trump suggested you did

483
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:40.360
that, everybody thought he was a
dictator and they said, you can't do

484
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:47.079
that. And so we had one
hundred and twenty days, three billion dollars,

485
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:52.760
two to three billion dollars, thirty
five killed arson looty, they damnaged.

486
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.960
They tried to torch the federal courthouse
and police precinct, the Saint John's

487
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.639
and there was it was almost as
Kamala Harris said, it's not going to

488
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:04.280
stop. It shouldn't stop, It's
going to go on all the election.

489
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:07.440
And the head of the sixteen nineteen
projects said, you know, looting is

490
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.480
not that that's new. That right, the authorities or the establishment was a

491
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.679
deer in the headlights. Reactually the
mayor of Portland or Seattle. I've never

492
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:22.119
seen that before. Yeah, but
you said something I thought was really fascinating.

493
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:22.760
I just want to go back to
it for a minute. That the

494
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:28.880
revolutionaries or the progressives or the sort
of I don't know what the disturbers are

495
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.920
coming from the top. You know, in olden times, right, you

496
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:37.119
know, the traditional family dinner,
the young person at the dinner table says

497
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:44.400
something outrageous designed to give the older
person a heart attack at a stroke right

498
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.480
there, right, That seemed to
be how the jungle of the family dinner

499
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:50.320
table worked. The young line is
trying to give the old line a stroke.

500
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:57.159
Now every parent I know, my
age and older is constantly outraging their

501
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.559
children by saying something sort of anodyne
and maybe baffled and not using the right

502
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:05.880
whatever pronoun or the right word.
And it really is the opposite the sort

503
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.679
of the radicals are now teaching.
The radicals are now governing. They're now

504
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:14.800
I mean, the New York City
where I live is not a machine state

505
00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:19.639
in any meaningful way. What it
is. It's a it's a it's a

506
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.880
policy state. It's a may fifth
form. Yeah, we saw that at

507
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:30.360
Stamford Law School that the person we
forget that really ended that lecture by Judge

508
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:35.199
Duncan wasn't the students they were protesting. It was the dean of inclusion,

509
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:42.519
Equity Inclusion who hijacked the event and
had a pre written in expectation that she

510
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.280
would do that and then condemned him
for speaking out and that was the end

511
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:52.519
of it. And then she's now
on leave. But it's it's from the

512
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:58.840
top faculty administration down the pentagon hierarchy
of generals who are going to revolve out

513
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.400
to corporate boards, right, and
I know the corporations are left wing,

514
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:07.920
and they prep their attitude and their
profile downward. And you talk to lieutenant

515
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.639
colonels and they all say, I'm
never going to be I'm never going to

516
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:16.039
be promoted on how many shells hit
the target. Just not. But before

517
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:20.599
we, uh, we get too
gloomy, Victor, because I know,

518
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.840
to make sure this Friday afternoon,
come on, yeah, I don't want

519
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:28.159
to be so name one or two
things that you think, you know,

520
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.920
what are the indications that you might
you might be looking for that things are

521
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.400
turning around. I actually found.
I mean, maybe I'm grasping here desperately

522
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.880
at whatever floating piece of detritus I
can. Um. I think it's interesting

523
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:45.199
that the big brands that were um, you know, unimpeachable, you know,

524
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:51.119
a Stanford diploma, a Yale Law
School diploma. You know, there

525
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.000
are other brands like that, maybe
for some people that might even include something

526
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:59.119
like Disney, and those are now
being shaken and those brands now no longer

527
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.519
have the lust they had. And
part of us is, I mean,

528
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:05.079
part of this is sort of true. Conservatives were just a little nervous with

529
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.719
any kind of change. We talk
a big game about economic disruption and all

530
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:12.000
that stuff, but when it really
happens, to get a little nervous,

531
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.199
Right, But isn't that good,
isn't it? I mean, I feel

532
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.440
that way about the American party system. The American party systems is putting up

533
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:22.320
probably may likely put up two very
damage, very unpopular politicians. It just

534
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:28.039
seems like these parties, the institutions
we've been clinging to for thirty forty years,

535
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:30.119
both the big brands and maybe even
the big political brands, are out

536
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:35.119
of gas, and maybe we're looking
at something new happening. Yeah, I

537
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.800
had I have talked to an editor
in New York and she said, gone,

538
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:44.280
or the days you want to hire
a Yale English An editor. So

539
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.480
yeah, I think that the other
thing, that's just I want to pile

540
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.440
in on that. Yeah, I
just want to pile in on that very

541
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:55.519
point. I had lunch not long
ago with somebody who had a very impressive

542
00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:00.320
twenty year career in the Financial District
of New York. And this guy had

543
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:05.559
been to an IVY League school and
was a very good athlete. And in

544
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.320
those days, twenty years ago,
if you were a good athlete from an

545
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:15.360
IVY you could write your ticket on
Wall Street. Rob and I were rejected

546
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.239
by Wall Street, which shows that
there were still some standards in those days.

547
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.280
But if you were an athlete in
orisman or is okay, he said,

548
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.519
that is just over. They don't
try that standards still matter in the

549
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.559
financial world. You have to be
smart, you have to be hard working,

550
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.960
and an IVY degree, even among
athletes is no longer considered a guarantee

551
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.480
of that. They're looking at a
certain sense. We Rob said this earlier.

552
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:43.239
It's good in a way that now
Goldman and JP Morgan are looking to

553
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.840
Ohio State. And absolutely I think
that the standard the old world is collapsing.

554
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.079
That's the point. Yeah, I
think so. And I think here

555
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:57.000
forty five percent of the state of
California is identifies as Mexican American, and

556
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:02.840
they are integrating and simulating in airing, and they are gradually I think it

557
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:08.079
will take another ten years. They're
gradually becoming to the point as the Italians

558
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:13.199
in the nineteenth century. So if
your name now is Juliani or Cuomo,

559
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:20.199
you can't adjudicate their political leanings,
I think, and now pretty soon Lopez

560
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:30.199
and it's already starting to happen,
and the Democratic Party all has this elite

561
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.079
Hispanic in the legislature that have powered
but right below them guys that are thirty

562
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:38.880
forty fifty sixty with families. Every
single thing they're pushing, from open borders

563
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:46.159
to transgenderism, to these new attitudes
toward crime, they don't like it.

564
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.840
And I think they're gonna They're starting
to vote. Here where I am,

565
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:59.320
all of our our board of supervisors, local assembly, state, we have

566
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.639
Hispanic candidates and about a third of
them are conservative Republicans. Mike Gonzales's are

567
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.480
conson congressional right, you know,
fifteen feet away, and then David Valadeo

568
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:13.880
is right or were here. So
it's starting to change. And that's I

569
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.280
think that's and you just named.
I don't know those two. I don't

570
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.760
follow their them as closely as you
do. But my impression is you just

571
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:28.960
named in Gonzales and Valadeo's bay.
You just named two smart, tough,

572
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:32.599
hard working guys. They are,
and Valadeo is the only person there was

573
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:37.079
only two that voted to impeach Tron. He called me about it. I

574
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:43.280
said, you should have pled that
you had COVID that day. But but

575
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.280
he but he uh, he survived, And I just gave a campaign.

576
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.480
He just called me and I introduced
him in a campaign rally. He's Portuguese,

577
00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.519
but he speaks Spanish better. Every
time he runs. These guys bring

578
00:43:54.599 --> 00:44:00.599
out these elite, third generation left
wing Hispanics to defeat him, and they

579
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.159
don't speak Spanish. He speaks at
point And Mike Gonzalez is a wonderful candidate.

580
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.960
And so I think there's there's that's
hopeful as well. And then there's

581
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.800
always the fallback that when things get
so bad people come out of the woodwork.

582
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:22.199
That you one other thing, because
I was asked to this fight you

583
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.519
guys. That is when you look
at Matt Talibee Tybee, and you look

584
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:35.119
at Schallenberger, and you look at
oh, Barry Weiss and Bill Maher,

585
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:40.360
you start to get the impression that
and some of that, these people feel

586
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:45.559
they've created a Frankenstein and the monster
now is devouring them, and they understand

587
00:44:45.719 --> 00:44:49.840
that that can't go on. It's
not going to be the guys who run

588
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.960
the grifting organizations at mass mail and
do noisy things on campus and the rest

589
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:58.880
of it. It's going to be
the people that the ones that you just

590
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.519
mentioned. I don't agree on every
single issue. I don't agree with Glenn

591
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:07.679
Greenwald on a whole raft of things, but there's an intersection about government restriction

592
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:13.280
of information. As Tiabe is also
talking about that, it's a new core,

593
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.159
it's a it's a new issue around
which people have disparate intellectual beliefs can

594
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:20.400
coalesce. And I think it's a
good one because the objective of that is

595
00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:22.320
the maximization of freedom of speech and
the rest of it, which are things

596
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.760
that we've got to take back.
And if it's a bipartisan thing that does

597
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.360
it, and I got to,
you know, be in the same bed

598
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.360
with people who have completely different ideas
economically, I'm going to do that for

599
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:38.400
a while in order to restore some
some key points you said and get back

600
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.599
to what you said before before you
let you go, because we have to

601
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.800
that a lot of these generals will
go through the revolving door and end up

602
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.360
on corporate boards that are that have
left wing agendas. That's true, maybe

603
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.840
though some of those people on those
boards do. But do you think that

604
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.880
maybe it's a lot of the people
in the elite circles don't necessarily subscribe to

605
00:45:55.000 --> 00:46:00.280
these luxury beliefs with any degree of
conviction. They're very easily detached from them.

606
00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.960
But they do because A it's a
convenient and necessary means of signaling where

607
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.440
you are in the virtual scale,
and B perhaps they have an exaggerated idea

608
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:13.480
of how popular these ideas amongst the
general population are. And it's not just

609
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:16.000
the mega knuckle draggers, anilind snakes
and speaking in tongues down in Georgia.

610
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.320
No, there is a broad based
distaste for a wide variety of these things

611
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:25.599
because they go against a biology and
be essential American ideas about our identification.

612
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:31.719
They are. I'd say it's sort
of how many people join were for the

613
00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.920
Bolsheviks in nineteen seventeen, or the
National Socialists in nineteen thirty three, or

614
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.360
the Maoist It doesn't I think you're
right. Seventy or eighty percent do it

615
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:45.679
out of necessity or perceived advantage or
just you know, anyway slow. But

616
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:52.079
it doesn't really matter if they do
it, because most of these revolutionary movements

617
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:57.280
start with a very hardcore the squad, the Elizabeth Warrens of Bernie sand or

618
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:01.679
the Obash and if they can faith
through the institutions of which they control,

619
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:08.199
corporate boardroom Hollywood, Professional Sports,
Kate through twelve, Academia, Silicon Valley,

620
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:13.880
Traditional on social media and they can
convey like they did with a bud

621
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:19.840
light for a while. Then they
can they can win, but they don't

622
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.039
have You're absolutely right, they don't
have people who sincerely agree with them.

623
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:28.719
They just feel. My wife teachers
at Clovis Community College. She's in a

624
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:35.280
history runs a little history department there, and it's all it's all woke.

625
00:47:35.679 --> 00:47:39.639
But the number of people that she
knows who believes it is very, very

626
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:44.360
Just remember the Bolsheviks were the Menshevi
exactly, and the Mensheviks were the Bolsheviks.

627
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.719
Victor, thanks so much, Victor
Hansen dot com, new book,

628
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.239
all that stuff. We'll talk to
you again, always fascinating. We didn't

629
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.920
get to the things we want to
talk about, because heck, it's just

630
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:59.360
fun to talk to you about all
kinds of Victor. Will see you this

631
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:06.360
coming week. Yes, yes,
and you're going to Washington. Oh you're

632
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:10.480
coming down. You're going to Selma
Victor Tesla. Yes, well he may

633
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.519
well. We may have to meet
him with a bag of batteries halfway there,

634
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:20.199
but charged on the farm. That's
great. Do you have a Tesla

635
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:25.719
charger. You have some I have
some explaining to too. My wife is

636
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:30.559
a big fan of Elon Musk,
so she went out and got starlink and

637
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.480
then she demanded that she drive to
work at Tesla so that I put twenty

638
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:39.000
chargers. Scotty can charge up.
Huh. All right, she's deep and

639
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:44.840
long and dogecoin keep her keep her
off that particular all right, thanks much.

640
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.679
I think about a survey that says
something like eight percent of American people

641
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:52.920
want an EV and Ford loses a
huge amount of money and every one of

642
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.280
the vehicles that they have, and
it's one of those perfect instances where nobody

643
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.559
really wants this on mask. We
want the gas car, but everything is

644
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.760
miniating against us having one because our
bidders believe that we shouldn't. It's like

645
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.360
the gas stove, the gas of
it and all the rest of it um

646
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:13.519
And that's where you just wonder Rob's
use the boiling frog thing. But you

647
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:20.000
know, it's just not a lot
of evidence to me that. I always

648
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.599
feel like Winston Smith with Julia standing
at the window, you know, looking

649
00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:25.599
at the pearls and saying, that
will be you know that that will be

650
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:30.559
what takes us away from Big Brother. The rest of the pearls are the

651
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.000
future. The pearls are the hope, and that never arrives. There's just

652
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the knock on the door in the
arrested room, one on one anywhere.

653
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There's no segue there because I wouldn't
want to actually go to a product after

654
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having said something so depressing. So
I will thank you say to Rob that

655
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we got meetups coming where people can
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656
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657
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I think actually people and people all
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658
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than they are online. Ricochet members are

659
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660
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663
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664
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669
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the Ricochet podcast a few seconds here
before we have to go, Let you

714
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know, let's discuss whether let me
put it into the way. One of

715
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.480
the things that's fascinating about this whole
Brook book burning, book banning in school

716
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:40.639
conversation, as you say, well, actually, what they're trying to do

717
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:45.480
is keep from middle school's graphic novels
that have rather explicit representations of sex.

718
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:51.960
Maybe we don't need that. And
now Utah is being banned in porn hub

719
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.960
because of Utah's age verification rules,
and it's like, okay, we're not

720
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:00.960
going to ban all this stuff all
over the coun tree and make sure that

721
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:05.400
every picture of a woman has her
clothes down to her ankles. We're just

722
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:08.480
saying, maybe make it harder for
fourteen year old kids to see the most

723
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:15.519
grotesque, debasing stuff out there.
Shouldn't that be? I mean, the

724
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.880
right is really bad at making the
argument about what we're trying to do,

725
00:54:19.159 --> 00:54:23.280
because either you have a complicit media
that just extrapolates from this that you just

726
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:25.320
want to batter and here a bunch
of prudes and the rest of it.

727
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:30.840
No, I mean, we're just
trying to carve out a period of childhood

728
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:35.039
that maybe has some innocence passed them. My little pony, you're a six

729
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:37.159
year old stage, well, I
have my little pony. Adults are into

730
00:54:37.239 --> 00:54:40.320
that, you know what I mean, Guys, Well, I mean part

731
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:49.119
of the part if you're part of
the deliciously attractive of one of the great

732
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:53.719
attributes of being young is if you're
interested brainwashing people and getting them that's incredibly

733
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.360
great. Like it's too rich and
and they're too vulnerable, right, if

734
00:54:58.400 --> 00:55:00.079
you're if you want to sell people
on something, you want to sell them

735
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:04.239
on smoking, you sell them on
sugary cereal or something. It's better to

736
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:08.039
get them when they're young, right
before their brand taste have been locked in.

737
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:14.920
So you can see why companies like
that, and you can see why

738
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.119
larger economic interests like that, right, and you can see why progressives like

739
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:22.239
that, because if I get them
in they're in third grade, second grade,

740
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:23.280
third grade, and fourth grade,
then I may have them for the

741
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.079
rest of their life and doesn't really
matter what conversations have at dinner table,

742
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:29.199
because I have them for eight hours. You only have them for two.

743
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:31.239
And then there's an argument of a
bedtime, right, that's kind of how

744
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:37.199
that's sort of the power struggle.
But in general, we've had this sort

745
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.199
of kind of las a fair attitude
about what children. I mean, I

746
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:45.360
remember when I was a kid,
I never heard the F word ever ever,

747
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.440
And I can hear it on the
street. I mean it'd be like

748
00:55:47.599 --> 00:55:51.320
I would have been, Oh my
god, I would have been I was

749
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.400
shocking. Now you don't walk down
the street. You hear everything. If

750
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.800
people drive by, you can hear
their music, and you can hear the

751
00:55:57.960 --> 00:56:00.239
N word. I mean I hear
it. You're ten times a day walking

752
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.880
around New York City. Um,
it's just naturally, just a natural course.

753
00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:06.280
I mean, I mean Twitter,
for all of its you know,

754
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:07.559
whatever benefits it has, a munch
for, it has any but just to

755
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:12.840
say it hasn't is a pornography delivery
device. That's what it does. No

756
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:17.000
one pays attention to that. It
isn't for me. There's nothing about But

757
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.360
that's because you're not interested in.
But if you are interested in, if

758
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.400
you're a child and you're interested in, go to Twitter. You can see

759
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:23.800
anything you want. You can see
d you want to in two minutes.

760
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:28.760
You have to be thirteen years old
officially to join Twitter, but of course

761
00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:30.840
people join it younger and the thirteen
years old is pretty young. Um.

762
00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:36.159
So we have we we've sort of
let all this stuff fly, and at

763
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.880
least now we're noticing that's happening in
schools and instead of like where it should

764
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:43.800
be happening, which is furtively and
you know whatever. But but it's in

765
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:45.480
general a good thing. They were
paying attention to what our children learning and

766
00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:50.199
what people are trying to teach them. But that that is only I think

767
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:54.320
because we have as a culture,
we have kind of um outsourced over the

768
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.159
past twenty thirty years, outsourced a
lot of stuff that we used to take

769
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:02.719
care of at home and separate from
government. Um. And we just was

770
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:07.079
naturally took it separately from government,
um. And we just sort of like

771
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:09.280
kind of outsourced it to you know, the quote unquote experts. Right,

772
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.719
So, what do I know really
about this or that I'm just the parent.

773
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:16.239
The people at school, they've gone
out, they have degrees in this,

774
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.480
they know. I think we're I
think we're watching American parents taking that

775
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.800
back and I think that's that's a
good thing. I'm going to agree with

776
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:30.519
everything you just said, except that
we let it all fly. We didn't

777
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:36.880
exactly let it all fly. There
were laws that were that in retrospect make

778
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.599
even more sense than they seem to
at the time. But beginning in the

779
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:45.360
late nineteen fifties there was there was
one concerted attack after another on censorship laws,

780
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:50.719
and we end up with a regime
in which there's simply no censorship at

781
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.719
all. The notion of local standards
that was the Supreme Court eliminated said censorship

782
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:01.159
can be imposed, um can be
imposed that reflects local standards. And it

783
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:05.400
turned out to be that as a
matter of practice that was impossible to uphold.

784
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:14.079
And so it was a specific sort
of legal cultural political decision to dismantle

785
00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:20.639
elite decision. People didn't vote against
it, and there was an elite decision

786
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:27.559
case by case, part of the
liberal legal movement of the nineteen sixties that's

787
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.519
simply eliminated. And now we have
Utah. Of all places, I say,

788
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:37.960
of all places, it's the only
place that's trying to reassert some minimal

789
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:43.840
standards. And I don't know whether
it's being laughed at across the country,

790
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:49.559
but things have now become so inverted
that a pornography company, how do we

791
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:54.719
know it's a pornography company because it's
called poor Knobs the state of Utah,

792
00:58:55.400 --> 00:59:00.119
supposing that everybody in the rest of
the country will will look at Utah on

793
00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:04.280
chortle. Oh, they can't get
poorn there anymore. What a punishment.

794
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:08.039
Okay, I agree with you,
it's all, it's all mad. But

795
00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:12.280
but it's I mean, this business
about never hearing the F word. I

796
00:59:12.400 --> 00:59:19.599
can remember my parents were shocked,
shocked for a week when the issue of

797
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:25.440
Time magazine arrived in the mailbox that
reproduced segments from the Watergate tapes, and

798
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:30.199
they were shocked by that phrase that
burn over and over again expletive deleted.

799
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:35.880
They could not believe that the president
of the United States used what, by

800
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:40.280
today's standards, would only be salty
language in the oval office. That and

801
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:44.719
and that was the world in which
we grew up. It's impossible to convey

802
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.079
that to kids these days, that
it used to mention before the local standards

803
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:50.880
was there. Yes, local standards
turned out to be ken, shabby and

804
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.199
a rain coat down at the train
station, you know, pleasuring him.

805
00:59:52.559 --> 00:59:55.800
So they and the elites would would
not be would not condemn him, because

806
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:00.719
once you do that, once you
do once you suppressed the most grotesque form

807
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.719
of degrading pornography available. Well,
you know, it's just the same as

808
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.760
saying a D. H. Lawrence
book must be abandoned, unable to unable

809
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:12.480
to see anything between the continuum.
But the F word thing is fascinating,

810
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.920
and it goes to Rob and we
should ask him about this because of the

811
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:16.800
writer's drake, even though I know
he has to go. I was arguing

812
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:21.400
with my daughter about the liberalization and
the normalization of the F word the other

813
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.559
day because I'd walk past a television
show she my wife were watching and it

814
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:28.360
was F bomb F this, And
I am not a language proude. I

815
01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:32.239
prefer that people curse ornately in an
intelligent fashion, with some intelligence. But

816
01:00:32.480 --> 01:00:37.719
just the fact that this word is
now so it's lazy. Dropping it into

817
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:42.519
the show and having a character use
it to make them real and legitimate is

818
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.360
lazy that if you took it out, it wouldn't matter. So we started

819
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:47.559
arguing about this, and she said, well, Succession is a great show

820
01:00:47.840 --> 01:00:51.360
and people are using the F bomb
all the time. I saw it was

821
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:54.079
true, but if you removed it, you would never notice. You would

822
01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.760
never notice if nobody in Succession use
that because the rest of the stuff that

823
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:01.679
they're saying is so written, so
well crafted, that it depends on the

824
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:06.280
language, It depends on the car. You wouldn't notice it now, and

825
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:08.920
then are you sure? On the
other end of the spectrum is deadwood,

826
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:13.400
in which I think about every third
word might be the F word, but

827
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:19.960
it's wrapped in this this this hallucinogenic
Shakespearean language that is so beautiful and marvelous

828
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:22.960
to listen to that it becomes music
and poetry. So it's all context.

829
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:25.880
And if everybody can do it like
David Milch, then I don't worry about

830
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:30.360
it. But it's the people who
keep dumping this tabasco into the water supply

831
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:34.760
and thinking that they're adding saffron.
That just that drives me crazy. Um,

832
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.519
And now we have a writer strike. But now I believe also that

833
01:01:37.639 --> 01:01:39.239
Rob has to do a strike of
his own and leave am I correct?

834
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.719
Well close? I mean, I
you know, at some point there will

835
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:46.719
be some humiliating photographs of me picketing
in front of a thirty rock or so

836
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.360
what will you have a little thing
to write themselves? Everybody has to write

837
01:01:51.400 --> 01:01:52.880
their own little funny thing, and
that's I don't tell I would say,

838
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:57.639
thank you for the money, So
what I'll probably say, so please excuse

839
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.760
this. Um, yeah, it's
one way or the other. I mean,

840
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:06.960
I think that there's probably a time
when people put them put the exploitive

841
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:08.880
deleted in a script to appear,
you know, to make it seem more

842
01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:14.280
rough and tumble. But I think
now it apps accurately reflects the way people

843
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.199
talk, unfortunately, and so now
it's like it doesn't seem like it's a

844
01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.280
doesn't seem like it would be more
of an affectation to not put it,

845
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.719
because just people use it constantly.
Um. And I just remember in my

846
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:29.440
lifetime, which like it has been
going on far too long, but in

847
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:31.760
my my lifetime, that was just
being like ime on, come on,

848
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:35.119
lord. I mean, I don't
think we even I think when I was

849
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:38.039
in college, I don't think I
can't imagine. I mean, I'm sure

850
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:42.920
I've definitely used it. I have
terrible language, but I mean just trying

851
01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:46.559
to think of in the official areas, you know, we had an indoor

852
01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:49.840
voice and an outdoor voice, and
we had a you know, a proper

853
01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.559
set of you know words and an
improper set of words. And there's one

854
01:02:54.639 --> 01:03:00.960
great moment in Bonfire the Vanities when
after Sherman McCoy is arrested and released,

855
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:04.880
he's a minor celebrity in his society
and he's at a fancy dinner party and

856
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:07.960
he discovers, my god, everybody
wants to talk to me because they I'm

857
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.480
a huge, huge celebrity, and
uh, and he kind of starts making

858
01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:14.880
up stuff, saying to sound a
little tougher, and he uses the F

859
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.239
word, and it's as I think
it's a parent it's tom wolves about a

860
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:21.679
page of description. I mean,
he's going to use it. He's thinking

861
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.280
about, he knows he's going to
use it, and it's the idea being

862
01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:27.800
that in a salon in New York
City in nineteen eighty seven, so it's

863
01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:32.559
not that long. The use of
that word would have been shocking. And

864
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.199
he says it because he says,
this is and this is what I said.

865
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:37.880
I think I can't remember pervase it
and this is I said this to

866
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:43.199
the guy to the guard. I
looked at him and I said, get

867
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.119
me out of this. At his
voice drops and he says the F word

868
01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.800
very like gutterly and low, and
he acknowledges by dropping his voice that he's

869
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:53.480
embarrassed to have to use that language
among the ladies out of this place,

870
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:58.639
and they all are shocked, titilated
and shocked it up. Absolutely, it's

871
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:01.280
a great social moment for him.
But he just the idea that back then

872
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:04.760
that word would have been shocking and
the use of it would have been socially

873
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:09.400
kind of cool, and you had
to couch it in all sorts of attitudes

874
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:13.760
and now be able to just screaming
on the street. Great f and point

875
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.039
Rob, we'd like to we'd like
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Peter rob It's been fun and we'll
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890
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:13.119
point er next week, boys next
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