On episode four to fifty, tonight's guest Simon talked about a dog me an
encounter he had in Judy Woods and Woodside, West Yorkshire, England. Unfortunately,
he recently had another encounter that was much more traumatic and that's what he's
come back to talk about tonight. Simon, is great having you back,
but not for the reason I mentioned. Welcome back, nonetheless, it's a
pleasure to be back, but a very traumatic pleasure. It's just got to
open out and tell you about my experience of my encounter. There's no one
better to do than you. Well, thanks for seeing that, and it's
greed having you back as well, not for the reasons we're going to talk
about, but it still is greed having you back. Nonetheless. For the
listeners who missed episode four fifties, Simon, please tell them about yourself.
Well, I'm thirty nine years old. I'm a granddad of two. My
granddaughter was born today, actually Eva Jade five poum nine. So I'm in
a bit of a better mood today talking as I was a bit worried that
when I talked to you sometimes I get a bit nervous because I don't like
replaying traumatic experiences and encounters in my head. So as far, it's a
great time to talk, and it's a great time to get in touch with
you and come on the show and tell you exactly what happened. And now
I am apart from that, I'm an ad work individual. I'm a d
chef, I'm a fantastic chef at that, and I'm a very different individual
human being. Congratulations on your granddaughter's birth. That's great, Thank you,
thank you very much. Well, you're welcome. Your first encounter, the
one you told us about an episode four or fifty, affected you quite a
bit more than you revealed to me when we first spoke about it. Please
expiin on that for us. Yes, I don't think I was being totally
honest. I've all I felt and how things actually affected me. As the
week's gone on, you realize that sometimes things to affect you. I mean
almost strong person, and I thought I could get over things, But go
in the woods is a no not, especially when the stun starts to set.
If I'm passing big dogs across the road, I start shaking, almost
like I'm going to go into a panic attack or something that's that like hyperventilating,
I just I don't like talking about it. If there's anything on TV
that involves where wolf movies, our dogs, or you see banners outside of
buses with add just shut down and it really really shakes me up, so
much so that people said in the past, like watch from with you,
watch from you. Listen to me, it's like, are going like a
sort of a trans in me on world because of the frights I started having.
I was having night terrors so much so that I didn't quite notice how
bad there was. I'd wake up in big sweats. Also on a night
time with the lights with him, I feard like an owl or anything outside
that sound of normal. I'd wake up. I keep looking out of the
window. It sort of set me like in a really nervous paranoid state that
I couldn't I couldn't really describe how bad it was, so much so that
to block things out, I started drinking a little bit more, quite a
bit more actually to block things out, because that's the only thing that I'd
helped me sleep. So you really did have a rough go of it.
I wish you would have been honest with me when we spoke about that first
encounter about how much trouble you're actually having. Yeah, that's not good.
Well, like I said, that is when I spoke at your obviously things
got worse and worse, and I should have been entirely honest. I went
to see a counselor, and when I went to the counselor, I got
nowhere because I had to lie because if I were to say, oh,
I've seen this werewolf or dogman or creature or animal, then I would probably
been signed to blonely bin. So what I did is I told the counselor
that it was like night terrors, are having a nightmares about this treacher,
and so I want to blame that. Counseling didn't help because first of all,
I wasn't being entirely honest like you're supposed to be. And secondly,
she was probably try to treat me for nightmares rather than reality that happened and
affected me. Was one of the things that your counselor recommended. Lucid dreaming.
It was hard to describe. Basically, how she put it was that
these dreams you're having and realities, if you keep putting a blanket over your
head, like if there was a ghost president, just keep throwing a blanket
over your head, that the ghost will never go away. Take the blanket
away and confront it, Come front these feelings, confront these automatic dreams.
Then I guess that you can conquer it. But I guess I was strong
enough and I have progressed, but I haven't actually got to the bottom of
the problem. But as your Matt, I am doing better and I'm better
in myself. What girls are that saying. I'm so glad to hear that
you're dealing with it in a healthier way. Now that's really good news.
Your latest encounter happened in Judy Woods, just like the first one. What
can you tell us about the place? The place is a mysterious place.
You always get little feelings when you go into the woods. People don't seem
to talk. They're very strange when they're walking the dogs. It's kind of
a very during the atmosphere that it goes for probably three miles wide and maybe
five long. It's very big woods. There's lakes, rivers. The name
it's got Judy Woods is apparently there was a bridge and this little girl should
call Judy and this is ironic. Really. She also of these nightmares of
this wolf and nightmares of werewolves and the parents and didn't believe, and apparently
she had been these traumatic experiences that she actually on herself on the bridge.
So that's how why they named it Judy Woods, because the parents named it
after because they actually owned it. They used to have the big house at
the top at one time. But yeah, it's around it. There's like
fields where there's like cattle, cows, sheep. There's been sightings and photographs
of deer going earliers of the morning, but it's very hard to see them
because you have to be very quiet. There can of ear coming from nearly
a mile. They've got their ears that can twist around, pick up footsteps.
Censors the built to sense these fins, and it's lovely to walk around,
especially you get nice wild flowers in there. It's not all negative.
There's positives of the woods, you know. There's it's got really really beautiful
features. Like I said, legs a little you can get lost in the
world. There's so many different entrances. It's unreil but whichever entrance you go,
it's a different surprise. Sounds like a beautiful place, but maybe a
little bit of a creepy place as well. No, definitely, Yeah,
sounds that way. Your most recent encounter was so traumatic that your girlfriend who
was with you was actually committed to a mental institution after experiencing it with you.
How's she doing now? Well, Like I said, it's probably being
well since it happened on Sunday, the Mayor twenty first, which was a
Sunday, because obviously I'm off work, probably six and a half week ago.
She's probably about a month now since she's been in effected her so bad
that she had to go to a mental instituation called Linfield Mount. They put
on all sorts of medication and drugs and she just couldn't deal with it.
That probably happened about a couple of weeks maybe after the encounter, So yes,
it's probably been discovering a month. She just couldn't deal with it.
She wanted a bat phone in the police. She i'd like this kind of
not a fit, but like a panic attack, shaking, sort of like
a nervous breakdown, I guess. But anyway, she like that anyone you
won't believe them, would you if they said they's seen a werewolf obviously in
this giant dog man or anything. So she like me, I want to
tell people because I knew they won't believe me. But she went up with
the mouth, didn't she. So she had got admitted to this mental institution.
The traumatism treats everybody differently, and it's treat her in a bad way
that she would have took down. The skept saying that it's coming, It's
coming, this monster, and you know, so she's to give to all
this medication. So add for me because when I went to visit, they're
asking me about it. Was it there? What happened? She claims about
seeing this wolf, this monster, and I'm like, well, there was
something definitely wasn't right that night, but definitely I didn't see anywhere wolves,
So obviously there were the submitters of the thought she was losing her mind,
which made an add for me because inside was crying because I went to tell
the truth. I wanted to tell him. I wanted to get her out
and say come home with me, but I couldn't because that would probably end
up in the same chair she was. So yeah, it was. It's
been very hard. But a few days back now, but I saw previous
three days before that, and I explained about what I'm doing and I'm going
to contact you and our believer and how I was there and how she needs
to lie to get herself out of this place. And I said, are
willing to let me give your name? And she said yes. As before
when I first contact she says she don't want to be mentioned, So I
guess she's getting better on the move. Her name is Anne Marie Marie.
Yeah, it's a lovely name, and that is a beautiful name. I'm
so sorry to hear what she's been through though. That's horrible. When all
this was going on, did you ever think about trying to get her to
contact me? Well, you know what security in places like if in a
mental institution, imagine going in then saying this American guy that there's Doug Manshaw
and he's going to help the one I've done that, I would have been
wasting my time. So that anything I had to do is convince her to
say that it wasn't so then she'll get better, you know. So it
ends up like that, Oh no, I meant before she was committed.
No, because you'll win such an acthetic state, like like almost like a
nervous breakdown. How could you talk to someone that's shaking, violently, run
around, screaming. There was no sense, there was no you couldn't get
sense into her. She was just it just scared us so much. She
was ecstatic in it in a really traumatic where that you could have have done.
They almost like say, like, imagine somebody's seeing somebody being murdered.
They coming in, the shake and shaking in the trying to talk and the
like I preventil it in deep breath. She can't get sent out of them.
The source shook up that Oh you know, it's it's not a case
of okay, I'll put you forward to VIC that. To be honest,
that's the last thing that come in my mind at the time after the experience
that I had. Not because you don't do a good job, and not
because you can't help, but when there's everything going on at once, you're
don't thinking that where oh sure, I understand it just isn't shamed that she
wasn't in a condition where she could speak with me and avoid being put into
that mental hospital. That's horrible, I know, and I believe so,
and I wish, I wish, wish, wish it never happened like that,
and I wish that she didn't deal with it in so much a traumatic
way, because definitely I would have put a straightforward to and I would have
contacted you. I said, Vic, Vic, please help me. You
know this, this this girl Realne's help, she seemed. And I know
you would have phoned hesitation because this is what you do. I sure would
have. I just wish I would have had a chance to do that.
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to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Simon, please tell us
about this most recent encounter. Now give us a real last detail that comes
to mind. Well, it was May. It was Sunday that went first
of mayor because I get Mondays off, so I was bed Sens and Sundays
we'll get together. I'm a friend and would spend a few hours together.
Due to my experience and my encounter, I shut down and avoided a lot
of my friends for a while because I was probably traumatized and like I said
on the on the opening up the show, I was you know, I
didn't deal with things in the best way. So it's been going on for
you know, being with new girlfriend about probably the best part of m best
part of three month now. And she's always been with the night terrors and
everything that I've had and she's experienced them and have a friend which I last
contact with called Michael Thompson. They've been there and very supportive towards me,
very very supportive ultimate all sorts of ways ships and forms, especially talking.
So how it talked is like it interferes in my relationship and friendship. Like
for waiting to oh sho you have a nice walk through park or woods?
Oh no, I want to have that. No, that affected me.
That would be the worst fence. I'd always walk around instead of fins taking
ten minutes and coming through woods or shot because it was taking me hours so
much so that after a while when things go on, said look you need
to conquer this, s go get out. I said, I've tried it.
I've been to counseling, I've tried all the help. It's not working
because I can't be totally honest, and I don't want to go for all
that again, it's brilliant, so memories up in the head. So they
said, right, okay, there's only one way if you fall off a
bike, you get back on. All right, we're not saying we don't
believe you. But even though they said that, sometimes I'd look at Michael
or i'd look at Anbury, and I knew that when I were talking they
the sort of like, yeah, yeah, we believe you, but inside
you knew that they didn't, or maybe seeing his believing so unless they saw
it's hard to believe into like someone that's never seen a ghost before. It's
like when you say shoes or did you? And then when they say when
themselves that like expect you to believe them just the same. But yeah,
it's just it just happened where we come up with this spin and I agreed.
It took me a lot lot to agree. And we'll go back through
the woods. I'm gonna try and go through because like so many different entrances,
but and you're the entrance that started in last time, and you that
I will go through the woods and I will end up and surprise me.
Good friends Ronnie and turn up at a place at Norwood Green on Station Road,
which is the other end of Judy Woods, and the plan was took
up through and then we'll have a little go see Ronnie way back. We'll
cut through when it's a little bit that little bit dark and not so it's
pitch black and frightens me. So it's a bit dim to sort of can't
be nerves a bit, but maybe me. I put it off and was
waiting to go in the flat, which entrances only probably about one hundred and
fifty yards, where two hundred we're putting it off and end up being about
around about seven o'clock. I left and over in Ka and it gets there
in summertime around ninety five. So anyway, we're set up at seven o'clock
and went for the woods. I started walking through. Michael were there.
There's talking as normal. Michael Thompson and then Ambury were there. I'm talking.
They kept saying you are right, You're right, and it did be
heading so I said, yeah, I'm all right. We stopped asking me
because the more they were asking me if I'm all right, the worse it
member feel. So I just sort of just I got through it. I
went there, I started walking through the woods, and I felt I didn't
feel at ease at all. I felt a bit nervous, a bit tensious.
And the more walked through the woods, the more visualized what I saw,
so much so that I started actually doubting myself thinking was it actually a
dog man? Was it a bit? But I knew it was and I
shouldn't, which you'll find out what I'm talking about now. I shouldn't,
I shouldn't, I shouldn't. My biggest mistake is to bring these people into
the woods, because it ended up not so nice. So as we started
entering the woods, there was a fence and left and side it's like being
tore down or ripped. It were like there's big steel wooden pegs which got
the spiking. I'll probably go about I don't know, I'm five ft eight
five nine member because it's about top of the waist and the railing there being
destroyed. So we all, because we're gonna have this fire, we'll pick
up this pegs. So we we'll grab pegs and what's forward and we'll be
going in front of a five ten minutes or so. And we found this
area which once so well, it had like a big open mud patch where
it was like, so what I had a fire there before and they said
it went too closs the trees. It were good location. So we put
all the wood down there and got ready to have like a little fire after
we visit Ronnie. And then she started it on a phone in the location
because I said, how we're going to find out I'll get back at here.
So I don't know if she did it, because I'm not right good
with doing these locations and whatnot on iPhones and Sampson's or whatever you play on.
So she started it, and then we wondered and we thought which path
to go, so we got on location again or not this entrance here to
go to Norwood Green which is on Station Road. So much fine destination.
Ronnie was big knock at the door from my even wise met Ronnie. But
it was funny and a big welcome surprise or PRIs of shocker, surprised of
happiness, like oh wait you do when you all come to see me.
But the problem being is she didn't actually know what I'm actually doing what I
intended to do. Um So Ronnie being Ronnie the horse and a very good
at hospitality. She's a vegan, so she pulled all these fins out a
short notice, which I didn't expect her to. But relax, Everyonne been
Runnie. It's very hospitality. She had like these vegan cheeses like this smokes
appled a vegan cheese and all these fins and salads and it were quite nice
and where to to all and would have stayed a bit longer. And then
Michael said it getting a bit agitated. It's that the same quan Simon,
come on, I said, why are you rushing me? He said,
I know you. I know you're too well. He said, you're just
putting it off. He said, you're going to leave it till it gets
so there and then you're not gonna go want to go back to up Woods?
I said, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. So I
said all right, Ronnie. And Ronnie said, Simon, are you sure?
Are you up for this? And I said, how do you mean?
She said, you know how much it traumatized you and and made you
so upset before. I don't want you to go through that again. Are
you ready for this? Even though it's just coming back through the woods and
coming through and how much the wood scare, So do you want to go
through back through the woods when it's as dark as it is? I said,
I'll be all right, and then Mike went, come on, come
on, and and then I made an excuse because across the road there's a
pub called the Old White Bear. So they come up popping there for a
half. Then we forgoing now, please please, others needs that just before
we go through. Okay, then okay, so we went in the poor
biders ordered because I'm feeling a bit stick like miss stomach was turning because of
the nerves about going back through the woods. So I just started this half
and it must have been the longest half of my life. It went on
to about wolf must have been nearly out and went come on't you sing it
off? So I decided once again I don't. I don't think I ever
believe. But what was he in for a surprise? So we started going
back down. We used the location, cut back through the woods, started
walking slowly. Um, it took us a little wrong direction at first,
which was at the other side, but then we managed to find it because
it doesn't that pinpoint apparently the exact location. So and we get back there,
and then we get some little bits of like you know, dry hair
or brambles as you call it, and put it under fire light it.
The fire gets going. It's quite pleasant, actually, so I said,
I'll see, Simon, there's nothing to worry about. So then we get
we've got a stone in each. We sat on a stone, and we
all sat around this fire and asked me sell a story. So I told
the story. I told the story of of of my counter and what happened.
They'll kind of listen to minute right now, you've got a few chests.
You know, there's nothing to worry about, don't you. So in
fact made I just didn't believe me anyway. So then we set of talking
about the supernatural experience and talking about spirits, so much so that as we
were talking the fire was late. Will sat around and the flame was flickering.
Then it turned like a blue like a blue flame, like almost like
a butts and burner, and it was like going. It was just weird,
and were like flickerings of it of this wood sparkling. It was like
almost like burned these big logs in like a space of I don't know,
a space of sad to say, minutes. But then we had this dragging,
dragging, dragging noise almost like not like footsteps, like dragging like dragging
through brambles. And then while sort of look behind to see this big noise
come through and make this rrific disturbing never heard of growl. So I think
that they're like's like she looks like oh, and like looked at me and
Michael like sort of turned around and looked as if to say, ever your
stage it's and I've sort of like and then when it's actually showed and come
out, she's absolutely screamed Papa. And I sort of stepped back when it
come out, and I will I stepped right back, like stepping foots back.
But she like run up the hill and started running up the banking like
screaming so like I've never seen anything. It's shot out of a bush.
It jumps so over her so fast. I've never seen anything anything in my
life like this. And so I've hearded it back like like some sheeps to
bring it back into like the circle where the fire was at the corner of
my eye. I looked at Michael. It was pale. Why, it
was like it was in a trance. Actually if looking at him. I
I fact that it could have been dead for how I knew, But then
I to set come back. It set growling and confronting and going back up.
I was stood there and I don't know how managed, but I felt
like I was frozen. But I man should come out of my thing.
And I shouted, I put my hand forward and I shouted, don't be
scared. It lives in your fear. And it and that moment turned its
head took about free stride towards me, which I was probably about twenty not
even that fifteen twenty feet away, and it walked right up to me,
and so much that my hand was touching its spelly button. A sort of
moved my eyes up. Its head was like over me. Its slave was
dripping and I could feel it slave like puddles like that drain drops dripping on
the trainers. I was looked up. I noticed it's fan. There was
like yellow. There wasn't like sandish white as as and it adds one of
them looks like it had been chipped. Also, it looks like it had
a damaged eye. I was horrified in that. In that moment, I
sort of prayed and thought to myself. You know, there's magic words,
and that's what I've took the edge off. But I knew that it's like
being put a gunpoint. You know, any point, if you press out,
you're gone. Your life's over annual any point. This creature, this
monster could kill me with a mayor thought. But then it was I thought,
okay, game over. It's fair felt almost spike it almost I could
feel it going through my hand like a pricks. It was really, really
strange. I didn't really feel a pain at the time because it was most
shocked. It was more afterwards. But let's get back to that later.
So then luckily I'll always thank her for this. She screamed again, started
running away again, So it left me sort of chase back towards her,
as when I was at earl once again jumped heard itself round like steps with
its side steps with very long legs and like circled, so she'd like no
choice but to run back to the spot. I thought Michael. Michael was
in a trance, and I thought Michael was gone. But I don't know
how, but it's picked himself up. It picked up the big log from
the fire and sat spinning it around like a madman almost and it looks almost
like a Catherine wheel. There's one thing for sure, the dogman don't like
fire. So the dogman backed in. At the same time. You could
see a second pair of eyes in the bushes. Obviously it was lower down,
so it was obviously the Juke Deunile. You could see its little leads
popping in and out when it sets, swinning round with the fire. And
it didn't touch the dog man, but it scared it. It sort of
runned back towards down the banking, and it sort of drowned and puffed and
snout at this little one and they both went afterwards. I was very shocked,
not very good of me. But we just left the fire at Embers
Numbers. We're just wating to go, So all three of us was just
walking so fast, walking so fast and fast and fast. I must have
been I don't know. It felt like I was running, but I was
walking walking. It was that bad. I didn't speak. She was a
static. Michael was silent. When I got back ast him, he said,
it couldn't move. I'm sorry, I said, no, you saved
my life. If you want to spun the ember, I don't know what
would have happened. And I said to Amberie, if you had a screamed,
you know it it was in front of me, you could you know
you suppose anyway, she was static anyway, so I couldn't get much sense
out of her. But Michael said it like when it was in a trance.
It said it felt like it was in like a first person view,
a first person mode. It said it felt like, say, to take
over his body and it couldn't move. He said he felt like a presence
of well, presence of evil. But yeah, that's exactly what happened.
Wow, that's a lot of process. What happened when you left the area.
I was worried. I felt like I was being we felt like being
followed. I kept looking back and stuff, and I there was shouting,
shouting special back stop looking back, stop looking back. You're making me worse,
You're making me worse. I just I was just worried, and like
when I spoke to you and and you're give me that advice before, it's
like, well, I didn't mention it. I should have mentioned it earlier.
But I was worried, like kind of getting the house, can I
do this? And you informed me, you said, Oh, you could
get through a door easy and even get through walls. So it was very
good advice that you've given me and told me about what possibly could happen.
Both like those words. It could have done, but it didn't, and
it I knew that it wouldn't after talking to you, I'm so glad you
came to understand that. That's great. Think about all the nights that have
passed between the time of that second encounter an now, were it could have
broken into your house, it hasn't done that, like you just mentioned,
and that's because it doesn't want to do that. That's the best possible reason.
How is this latest encounter affected you compared to the first one? Now,
most of all, it's up in me horizons and my thoughts that it
is or if I him one encounter is enough, But never ever fight in
my life was two? Like I said, I doubted myself be far thinking
was this Rael? Was it fiction? Imagination? Was I overlooking? But
no, dog man do exists? And dog Man is true. I've seen
it with my own eyes. What I had and I was affected. To
me mostly is about it's affected the people I care about, the people I
love to see Marie and the way she is and like I say, in
the intermental institution and to see the way it's affected Michael and I put them
through that, but I didn't intend to put them through that. I'd never
thought that had happened. I even, like I said, but there,
well, I think, well, there's more than the word's shocked. There's
more than words surprised. There's not a word in ditricuent surprise kind of express
how I feel about put them through that. But at the same time,
like talking to you, I didn't put them through it. I wasn't to
know. For all I was doing, this is going through to conquer the
worst fear. It sounds like you're not blaming yourself or what Emrie is going
through when the fact that Michael was there as well. And I'm glad because
yeah, you shouldn't blame yourself for that. You had no idea, no
reason to expect it by going back a second time, that you would have
this second encounter. So that's not your fault. It's just unfortunate it happened.
But like I said, that wasn't your fault at all. It's the
fact that name reason that hospital more difficult for you to deal with than the
encounter itself. Yes, and no. It's hard to say. It's hard
to say. It's like it's really had to say. Um, I blame
myself. So I've got a lot of gold. But at the same time,
um, this isn't doesn't mambe better? Far from it. No,
it's even maybe worse. But I've got be strong for them. I don't
want to. I won't go through woods. I certainly world go let through
them woods again. Um, I certainly. It's horrifying, it's disturbing,
it's unnatural. It's like, why these creatures are you know, there's so
many of them and so many encounters, you know, So it's very frustrating,
very frustrating, very very how people can go through these experiences and nothing's
done. But then if it's not hurting people, then I guess it's not
doing anything wrong because scaring people isn't actually a crime, is it. Well,
it's not a crime, but it still is a malicious behavior when you
look at the fact that it can ruin lives and cause all these problems that
they caused by mortifying eyewitnesses. It could be worse, but it's definitely not
a good thing when they dogged me and closed the distance between the two of
you. Didn't have jerky movements or smooth ones. When it was like jumping
over ad jerky movements like it bended leg jumped straight over. But as it
was circling, and the second second time when ambarreve run, when it was
circling around, it had very smooth movements. It were like putting its legs
from left and pulling the other one forward. Example, like putting your leg
as far as you can to one side and the other one goes smooth to
the tross. And then again it were like circling that way and you can't
get past it, while she can't get past it because it was it was
what eight steps throw one. Yeah, they do cover a lot of ground.
You told us about the small one you saw in the bushes being so
close to that big dog man that you touched it. He had a great
view of its features. Did it seem to be male or female? I
locked up, not down, because when ad manned out and it was up
to it was almost like such a populated spelly button and it was up,
so I was sort of for us. I locked up, so it was
kind of hard to say it, but I didn't look down. And the
last thing I thought of in that scary encounteries is this a bar our girl?
It was a sort of place cloud help me. I don't blame you
for focusing on its head at all. You noticed that it had a damage
die. Did you see any wounds that indicated that it might have been damaged
during a fight with another dog manner? Did it look like something else might
have been responsible? It was hard to say. It was like, I'll
describe it. It looks like a part of it. I don't know how,
but it looks like you could only see maybe that just like a quarter
moon, like a quarter moon of its eye, like all its top of
its top was over it so like it could see. But it's like the
top of its eye has gone over. It's it's I it's very hard to
describe um. But yeah, it's like it's like it's a bigger spoiler eye.
But it's so much swollen because it's it's hard to on a canine to
say swollen. But it's like the skin was down and you couldn't see a
little bit of an eye. Wow, dogment are creepy enough to look at
you see one with the demon style like that, and it's going to really
make it creepy. Well, yeah, now, it's its features, and
sometimes we have flashbacks about them, sometimes as I say them, when I
got asleep, even when I'm talking to you now, I can still see
in the head, its face, it's eye, its teeth, it had
a chipped canine tooth. It was just unrail. You couldn't write about these
fins. These fins are horrific, very scary traits as you call them.
But I just don't understand. Can you explain why did the flame turn blue?
Well, that's see, was some kind of a supernatural being. It's
hard to explain. So don't have any answers for that other than yeah,
quite possibly might have been supernatural. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a site
you're never gonna forget. No, when you reached out and touched its stomach,
he said, he touched its fur and it had kind of a stinging
sensation. Did you push hard enough to actually touch its skin as well or
just fur? No? It pushed to me so when I was when I
was there, I managed to get and I put my hand out and it
managed to walked up to me. It put his chest right up. It
stops right up to me, and it pushed as much as it could because
it would feel that, but not enough to push me over. But it
was almost like like like a black pins but not like going all the way
through me, a bit of pin gun to t millime loads of pins a
few millimeters through your hand. But yeah, parm of your hand is a
very sensitive play so but I didn't actually feel the pain much. I could
feel a prick, but I didn't actually feel the pain properly until I got
over the shock. I mad, it's so strange when it pushed up against
your hand like that, did it feel harder? Chord? It was actually
quite strange actually, now you mentioned that, because when it pushed up to
my hand and I could feel it, when I felt like prif president.
It felt like it was like reading me. It felt like a sense of
me had gone. It was really weird, like I wouldn't ease even there.
I could actually it felt like I was out of Michelle, like miss
all leaping body and I would just slack shell there with me and on touching.
It was very very strange. Now you meant shit, Yeah, that's
the way to describe it. I'm sure you were all out of swords here.
You're doing good to know your own name at that point, so I
get it. How far were you from the fire when this happened? Fifteen
twenty feet? Maybe because I stepped back. Probably someone was like I saw
the first come out of the bush. It sort of jumps up and stepped
back. There were all shots like I told you about, so yeah,
probably about I don't know, maybe maybe about fifteen feet. Yeah, i'd
say about fifteen feet. Was it solely focused on you or did it seem
to have any concerns about being that close to the fire as well? Well?
Like I said, at first it started on it was it's like it
was getting very angry. It didn't I think it was. It must I
don't know, and now I think back to it must have been something in
the fact it felt very angry when it come out in the rage. They
didn't come straight up to me today. He went straight up and they setted
growling. It was horrible, horrible. It's not even like a growl.
It's like you can't describe it. It's not like anything you see on like
nature programs or any animal or any wolf, or it's just like this tremendous
evil like a growl, but the growls like got laughed to it. It's
it's weird, weird, very weird. Your condition to be able to explain
a lot of things indeed of your life that happened. But how can you
explain exactly what was going on when you having experience like that, well exactly,
It's like to send to a blind person, what does black look like?
You can't describe it because you got possibly know and I tell you something
you know, like you sometimes hear people on your show under the like imputations
of the growl, but I tell you something I don't get the vocals still
this growl wouldn't have an attempt to this growl. It's so traumatic, it's
so scary. It's an evil loud laugh in malipple it in growl. It's
something I've heard before, but almost like it's when it's growling, almost like
it's got like fixed aliber and it's not them. It's very strange, Yes
it is. Yeah, they don't have any soft edges to them. If
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we were pushing up against the palm of your hand. Did it seem to
be perturbed or almost enjoying the fact that you were so terrified? It was
almost like it was e or she was like playing alpha male, like pushing
up to me, look down, Oh, you're not scared of me.
When a shout with those words if, obviously it feeds on your fear.
So I think it was like a confrontation, like saying, you're not scared
now, You're not scared now, And I was. I was very scared
it and the dog man won because I was scared. And the second time,
I think it's sheehy or whatever was just trying to approve a point to
say, look, I'm the boss, and I didn't remember it scared.
So I end the day it won, I lost. Well, that's how
it normally goes. Unfortunately, did the fact that the flames of your fire
turned blue make you think that that dogma must have been a supernatural entity before
we spoke about what happened. No, First of all, when it goes,
you just think, well, that's strange. And the sort of everyone
looks at each of them before you know it, it's popping it out.
Bush, you don't really have time to think, and the elaborate on the
thought, Yeah, I'm sure you're just trying to process all of it,
so that makes sense. Yeah, you had pianic attacks and drinking problems a
stem from that first encounter. How bad did this problem scared? Well,
like I said, I'm a lot better now. I'm a grandle of two,
so I knowed to be that way. But on the nighttime, I
would just throwing cans of beer down the neck to just have got to sleep,
and I've gone be reliant on it. As on the nighttime, I
can't sleep. When I said, six cans of beer outside of my bed,
but I wouldn't drink them through the day. I'd only start opening them
at night and then start drinking right fast just to knock me out, just
to make myself not ere these noises, not have these panic attacks. But
even more, he got to the stage that there'd be onet help anymore,
that I was still having these panic attacks. I was still having these night
terrors. So I thought, well enough enough, so I calm down,
and that stopped all that go on me. Like I said today fifth of
July and my granddad for a second time, I'm happy and that's really puts
me up, as in I've had really bad depression through all this traumatic,
scary experiences. It's very hard for me to come on the show today and
tell you exactly what happens because it's hard to talk about really. But I
found that talking about it does help. From like talking to you and all
the people that's come forward about these encounters. We can't all be wrong,
and dog Man does exist. And if Dogman was vicious and went to hurt
anybody, then people want to to tell a story, would they now?
So I'm happy that I'm talking to you, and by talking to you it
gets off my chest and makes it feel better because it's like I know you're
not but it's like you're the counselor because I can't tell the counsel about this
dog man because the counselor don't believe, as you you know, there is
a dog man. So by talking to you it does help. Thank you.
Oh, you're welcome. I wouldn't have it any other way. How
helpful was the Marie when it came to helping you come to terms with that
first encounter. Though. She was very very helpful. She was she told
me about to her when she had when you were younger. But do you
know when you're talking to someone, you're talking like you tell them and you're
open up about you seeing this creature and dog man and or whether in the
past must have had it where they tell someone that hasn't seen it or doesn't
believe. And everyone believes in spirits and werewolves and dog being and so they've
seen it, they don't believe that. They are saying teena is believing.
And that's that's where the word faith comes into place, because like faith,
for example, gods, that is faith because you've got to believe in something
you have never seen. So a lot of people say seeing is believing.
So when you're talking, I could talk to her, Anne Marie, she
did. I told her. I told her, I told her and told
her and she did to believe. But I had this maybe it was a
fought back of my mind thinking does she really believe me? Does she just
been sympathetic and does she think that maybe I'm poorly in my head and and
she's just doing this and better I don't know, but she's, like I
said, she's tryed to me in better. She's been very supportive girlfriend,
And I say, she's took me to the woods with the best intentions to
make me better. Unfortunately it didn't make me better at all, and in
fact, it made her worse ten times over. Well, yeah I did.
But like I said, don't be too hard on yourself, because you
had no way to know that this was going to happen and that she was
going to respond to this experience the way she did. So yeah, like
I said, please don't be too hard on yourself. What's about time for
us to get out if you're assignment, But before we do, do you
have any closing comments you'd like to share. Yes, sometimes you don't see
fins and sometimes finns same unreal, but lessen to other people that's been through
these traumatic experiences, and don't put yourself at risk. These fins what hurt
you, but they are terrifying. When your heart feels like it's racing,
it's beating through your halope, that's the sense of fear. If you want
to put yourself through experiences, you don't go in the woods looking for it,
because if you look for it, you want to say it. If
you don't look for it, that's when it'll get you your best. I'm
not sure. If the spiritual, I'm not sure. If the wells,
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But what I saw is what I
told in my story. Everybody keeps safe and look after each other. And
that's my closet. Not very well said, well, Simon, I hope
this marks your last encounter with a dog man. I'm starting to wonder now.
I hope there's not a third one, But if there ever is,
please do reach out to me and let me know when we'll take it from
there. But having said that, thanks against so much for your time,
and have a great night.