1 00:00:16,679 --> 00:01:30,239 On episode four to fifty, tonight's guest Simon talked about a dog me an 2 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:36,560 encounter he had in Judy Woods and Woodside, West Yorkshire, England. Unfortunately, 3 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,599 he recently had another encounter that was much more traumatic and that's what he's 4 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,400 come back to talk about tonight. Simon, is great having you back, 5 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,359 but not for the reason I mentioned. Welcome back, nonetheless, it's a 6 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,000 pleasure to be back, but a very traumatic pleasure. It's just got to 7 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,680 open out and tell you about my experience of my encounter. There's no one 8 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:00,680 better to do than you. Well, thanks for seeing that, and it's 9 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:04,680 greed having you back as well, not for the reasons we're going to talk 10 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,199 about, but it still is greed having you back. Nonetheless. For the 11 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,039 listeners who missed episode four fifties, Simon, please tell them about yourself. 12 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:19,199 Well, I'm thirty nine years old. I'm a granddad of two. My 13 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,840 granddaughter was born today, actually Eva Jade five poum nine. So I'm in 14 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:29,639 a bit of a better mood today talking as I was a bit worried that 15 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:31,919 when I talked to you sometimes I get a bit nervous because I don't like 16 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,400 replaying traumatic experiences and encounters in my head. So as far, it's a 17 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,879 great time to talk, and it's a great time to get in touch with 18 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,319 you and come on the show and tell you exactly what happened. And now 19 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:49,439 I am apart from that, I'm an ad work individual. I'm a d 20 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:54,960 chef, I'm a fantastic chef at that, and I'm a very different individual 21 00:02:55,039 --> 00:03:01,039 human being. Congratulations on your granddaughter's birth. That's great, Thank you, 22 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:06,919 thank you very much. Well, you're welcome. Your first encounter, the 23 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,240 one you told us about an episode four or fifty, affected you quite a 24 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:14,039 bit more than you revealed to me when we first spoke about it. Please 25 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,800 expiin on that for us. Yes, I don't think I was being totally 26 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:23,280 honest. I've all I felt and how things actually affected me. As the 27 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:28,000 week's gone on, you realize that sometimes things to affect you. I mean 28 00:03:28,039 --> 00:03:30,080 almost strong person, and I thought I could get over things, But go 29 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:34,240 in the woods is a no not, especially when the stun starts to set. 30 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,439 If I'm passing big dogs across the road, I start shaking, almost 31 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:43,520 like I'm going to go into a panic attack or something that's that like hyperventilating, 32 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,360 I just I don't like talking about it. If there's anything on TV 33 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,719 that involves where wolf movies, our dogs, or you see banners outside of 34 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,719 buses with add just shut down and it really really shakes me up, so 35 00:03:55,879 --> 00:03:59,280 much so that people said in the past, like watch from with you, 36 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,960 watch from you. Listen to me, it's like, are going like a 37 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,639 sort of a trans in me on world because of the frights I started having. 38 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:11,000 I was having night terrors so much so that I didn't quite notice how 39 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,720 bad there was. I'd wake up in big sweats. Also on a night 40 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,920 time with the lights with him, I feard like an owl or anything outside 41 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,480 that sound of normal. I'd wake up. I keep looking out of the 42 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:28,800 window. It sort of set me like in a really nervous paranoid state that 43 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,839 I couldn't I couldn't really describe how bad it was, so much so that 44 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,879 to block things out, I started drinking a little bit more, quite a 45 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,079 bit more actually to block things out, because that's the only thing that I'd 46 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:45,560 helped me sleep. So you really did have a rough go of it. 47 00:04:46,199 --> 00:04:48,040 I wish you would have been honest with me when we spoke about that first 48 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,920 encounter about how much trouble you're actually having. Yeah, that's not good. 49 00:04:54,079 --> 00:04:57,639 Well, like I said, that is when I spoke at your obviously things 50 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,879 got worse and worse, and I should have been entirely honest. I went 51 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,680 to see a counselor, and when I went to the counselor, I got 52 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,720 nowhere because I had to lie because if I were to say, oh, 53 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:14,839 I've seen this werewolf or dogman or creature or animal, then I would probably 54 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,199 been signed to blonely bin. So what I did is I told the counselor 55 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:24,360 that it was like night terrors, are having a nightmares about this treacher, 56 00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:29,920 and so I want to blame that. Counseling didn't help because first of all, 57 00:05:29,959 --> 00:05:31,680 I wasn't being entirely honest like you're supposed to be. And secondly, 58 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,800 she was probably try to treat me for nightmares rather than reality that happened and 59 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:41,920 affected me. Was one of the things that your counselor recommended. Lucid dreaming. 60 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,360 It was hard to describe. Basically, how she put it was that 61 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:54,120 these dreams you're having and realities, if you keep putting a blanket over your 62 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,560 head, like if there was a ghost president, just keep throwing a blanket 63 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,639 over your head, that the ghost will never go away. Take the blanket 64 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,879 away and confront it, Come front these feelings, confront these automatic dreams. 65 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:11,519 Then I guess that you can conquer it. But I guess I was strong 66 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,319 enough and I have progressed, but I haven't actually got to the bottom of 67 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:18,879 the problem. But as your Matt, I am doing better and I'm better 68 00:06:18,879 --> 00:06:23,360 in myself. What girls are that saying. I'm so glad to hear that 69 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:27,879 you're dealing with it in a healthier way. Now that's really good news. 70 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,160 Your latest encounter happened in Judy Woods, just like the first one. What 71 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:39,199 can you tell us about the place? The place is a mysterious place. 72 00:06:40,959 --> 00:06:46,199 You always get little feelings when you go into the woods. People don't seem 73 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,240 to talk. They're very strange when they're walking the dogs. It's kind of 74 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:55,759 a very during the atmosphere that it goes for probably three miles wide and maybe 75 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:00,360 five long. It's very big woods. There's lakes, rivers. The name 76 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,879 it's got Judy Woods is apparently there was a bridge and this little girl should 77 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,800 call Judy and this is ironic. Really. She also of these nightmares of 78 00:07:09,959 --> 00:07:15,639 this wolf and nightmares of werewolves and the parents and didn't believe, and apparently 79 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,839 she had been these traumatic experiences that she actually on herself on the bridge. 80 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,759 So that's how why they named it Judy Woods, because the parents named it 81 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,879 after because they actually owned it. They used to have the big house at 82 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:30,720 the top at one time. But yeah, it's around it. There's like 83 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:38,079 fields where there's like cattle, cows, sheep. There's been sightings and photographs 84 00:07:38,079 --> 00:07:41,920 of deer going earliers of the morning, but it's very hard to see them 85 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,279 because you have to be very quiet. There can of ear coming from nearly 86 00:07:45,279 --> 00:07:47,920 a mile. They've got their ears that can twist around, pick up footsteps. 87 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:53,319 Censors the built to sense these fins, and it's lovely to walk around, 88 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,120 especially you get nice wild flowers in there. It's not all negative. 89 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:01,319 There's positives of the woods, you know. There's it's got really really beautiful 90 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,839 features. Like I said, legs a little you can get lost in the 91 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:11,560 world. There's so many different entrances. It's unreil but whichever entrance you go, 92 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,000 it's a different surprise. Sounds like a beautiful place, but maybe a 93 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:20,680 little bit of a creepy place as well. No, definitely, Yeah, 94 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:26,879 sounds that way. Your most recent encounter was so traumatic that your girlfriend who 95 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,399 was with you was actually committed to a mental institution after experiencing it with you. 96 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:37,679 How's she doing now? Well, Like I said, it's probably being 97 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:43,759 well since it happened on Sunday, the Mayor twenty first, which was a 98 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:50,519 Sunday, because obviously I'm off work, probably six and a half week ago. 99 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,720 She's probably about a month now since she's been in effected her so bad 100 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:01,559 that she had to go to a mental instituation called Linfield Mount. They put 101 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,559 on all sorts of medication and drugs and she just couldn't deal with it. 102 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:11,840 That probably happened about a couple of weeks maybe after the encounter, So yes, 103 00:09:11,879 --> 00:09:15,919 it's probably been discovering a month. She just couldn't deal with it. 104 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:20,200 She wanted a bat phone in the police. She i'd like this kind of 105 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:24,960 not a fit, but like a panic attack, shaking, sort of like 106 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,720 a nervous breakdown, I guess. But anyway, she like that anyone you 107 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,440 won't believe them, would you if they said they's seen a werewolf obviously in 108 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,039 this giant dog man or anything. So she like me, I want to 109 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:39,000 tell people because I knew they won't believe me. But she went up with 110 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,360 the mouth, didn't she. So she had got admitted to this mental institution. 111 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,480 The traumatism treats everybody differently, and it's treat her in a bad way 112 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:48,639 that she would have took down. The skept saying that it's coming, It's 113 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,440 coming, this monster, and you know, so she's to give to all 114 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:58,200 this medication. So add for me because when I went to visit, they're 115 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,200 asking me about it. Was it there? What happened? She claims about 116 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:07,320 seeing this wolf, this monster, and I'm like, well, there was 117 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,759 something definitely wasn't right that night, but definitely I didn't see anywhere wolves, 118 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,440 So obviously there were the submitters of the thought she was losing her mind, 119 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,360 which made an add for me because inside was crying because I went to tell 120 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,200 the truth. I wanted to tell him. I wanted to get her out 121 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,519 and say come home with me, but I couldn't because that would probably end 122 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,159 up in the same chair she was. So yeah, it was. It's 123 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,440 been very hard. But a few days back now, but I saw previous 124 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,399 three days before that, and I explained about what I'm doing and I'm going 125 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,279 to contact you and our believer and how I was there and how she needs 126 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,639 to lie to get herself out of this place. And I said, are 127 00:10:48,759 --> 00:10:52,039 willing to let me give your name? And she said yes. As before 128 00:10:52,799 --> 00:10:54,519 when I first contact she says she don't want to be mentioned, So I 129 00:10:54,519 --> 00:11:00,279 guess she's getting better on the move. Her name is Anne Marie Marie. 130 00:11:01,159 --> 00:11:05,039 Yeah, it's a lovely name, and that is a beautiful name. I'm 131 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,120 so sorry to hear what she's been through though. That's horrible. When all 132 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,960 this was going on, did you ever think about trying to get her to 133 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:16,879 contact me? Well, you know what security in places like if in a 134 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:22,679 mental institution, imagine going in then saying this American guy that there's Doug Manshaw 135 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:24,639 and he's going to help the one I've done that, I would have been 136 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:30,159 wasting my time. So that anything I had to do is convince her to 137 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,960 say that it wasn't so then she'll get better, you know. So it 138 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,799 ends up like that, Oh no, I meant before she was committed. 139 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,840 No, because you'll win such an acthetic state, like like almost like a 140 00:11:43,879 --> 00:11:48,440 nervous breakdown. How could you talk to someone that's shaking, violently, run 141 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,360 around, screaming. There was no sense, there was no you couldn't get 142 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,759 sense into her. She was just it just scared us so much. She 143 00:11:56,879 --> 00:12:01,320 was ecstatic in it in a really traumatic where that you could have have done. 144 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,840 They almost like say, like, imagine somebody's seeing somebody being murdered. 145 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,320 They coming in, the shake and shaking in the trying to talk and the 146 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,159 like I preventil it in deep breath. She can't get sent out of them. 147 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,279 The source shook up that Oh you know, it's it's not a case 148 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,759 of okay, I'll put you forward to VIC that. To be honest, 149 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:26,080 that's the last thing that come in my mind at the time after the experience 150 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,759 that I had. Not because you don't do a good job, and not 151 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,080 because you can't help, but when there's everything going on at once, you're 152 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:39,720 don't thinking that where oh sure, I understand it just isn't shamed that she 153 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:43,480 wasn't in a condition where she could speak with me and avoid being put into 154 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:48,440 that mental hospital. That's horrible, I know, and I believe so, 155 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,559 and I wish, I wish, wish, wish it never happened like that, 156 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,279 and I wish that she didn't deal with it in so much a traumatic 157 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:00,559 way, because definitely I would have put a straightforward to and I would have 158 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:03,840 contacted you. I said, Vic, Vic, please help me. You 159 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:05,879 know this, this this girl Realne's help, she seemed. And I know 160 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:11,200 you would have phoned hesitation because this is what you do. I sure would 161 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,120 have. I just wish I would have had a chance to do that. 162 00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:18,360 If you've had a dog meet encounter would like to speak with me about it, 163 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:22,200 whether I'm private or on the show, please go to dog Meet encounters 164 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,480 dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would 165 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,639 like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 166 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:35,279 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Simon, please tell us 167 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,120 about this most recent encounter. Now give us a real last detail that comes 168 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:46,559 to mind. Well, it was May. It was Sunday that went first 169 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:52,720 of mayor because I get Mondays off, so I was bed Sens and Sundays 170 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,720 we'll get together. I'm a friend and would spend a few hours together. 171 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:05,279 Due to my experience and my encounter, I shut down and avoided a lot 172 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:13,399 of my friends for a while because I was probably traumatized and like I said 173 00:14:13,919 --> 00:14:18,440 on the on the opening up the show, I was you know, I 174 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:24,360 didn't deal with things in the best way. So it's been going on for 175 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:31,000 you know, being with new girlfriend about probably the best part of m best 176 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,240 part of three month now. And she's always been with the night terrors and 177 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:41,320 everything that I've had and she's experienced them and have a friend which I last 178 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,840 contact with called Michael Thompson. They've been there and very supportive towards me, 179 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:54,200 very very supportive ultimate all sorts of ways ships and forms, especially talking. 180 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,879 So how it talked is like it interferes in my relationship and friendship. Like 181 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,279 for waiting to oh sho you have a nice walk through park or woods? 182 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,919 Oh no, I want to have that. No, that affected me. 183 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:09,759 That would be the worst fence. I'd always walk around instead of fins taking 184 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,759 ten minutes and coming through woods or shot because it was taking me hours so 185 00:15:13,919 --> 00:15:18,799 much so that after a while when things go on, said look you need 186 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,159 to conquer this, s go get out. I said, I've tried it. 187 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,600 I've been to counseling, I've tried all the help. It's not working 188 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:28,759 because I can't be totally honest, and I don't want to go for all 189 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:35,840 that again, it's brilliant, so memories up in the head. So they 190 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,679 said, right, okay, there's only one way if you fall off a 191 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,960 bike, you get back on. All right, we're not saying we don't 192 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,440 believe you. But even though they said that, sometimes I'd look at Michael 193 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:52,679 or i'd look at Anbury, and I knew that when I were talking they 194 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,519 the sort of like, yeah, yeah, we believe you, but inside 195 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,919 you knew that they didn't, or maybe seeing his believing so unless they saw 196 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,879 it's hard to believe into like someone that's never seen a ghost before. It's 197 00:16:06,919 --> 00:16:10,320 like when you say shoes or did you? And then when they say when 198 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,080 themselves that like expect you to believe them just the same. But yeah, 199 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,279 it's just it just happened where we come up with this spin and I agreed. 200 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,519 It took me a lot lot to agree. And we'll go back through 201 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,080 the woods. I'm gonna try and go through because like so many different entrances, 202 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,440 but and you're the entrance that started in last time, and you that 203 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,519 I will go through the woods and I will end up and surprise me. 204 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Good friends Ronnie and turn up at a place at Norwood Green on Station Road, 205 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:45,080 which is the other end of Judy Woods, and the plan was took 206 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,679 up through and then we'll have a little go see Ronnie way back. We'll 207 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,279 cut through when it's a little bit that little bit dark and not so it's 208 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,799 pitch black and frightens me. So it's a bit dim to sort of can't 209 00:16:56,799 --> 00:17:03,360 be nerves a bit, but maybe me. I put it off and was 210 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,680 waiting to go in the flat, which entrances only probably about one hundred and 211 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:12,079 fifty yards, where two hundred we're putting it off and end up being about 212 00:17:12,559 --> 00:17:18,640 around about seven o'clock. I left and over in Ka and it gets there 213 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,480 in summertime around ninety five. So anyway, we're set up at seven o'clock 214 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,880 and went for the woods. I started walking through. Michael were there. 215 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:33,640 There's talking as normal. Michael Thompson and then Ambury were there. I'm talking. 216 00:17:33,839 --> 00:17:37,279 They kept saying you are right, You're right, and it did be 217 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:38,640 heading so I said, yeah, I'm all right. We stopped asking me 218 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,759 because the more they were asking me if I'm all right, the worse it 219 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:47,880 member feel. So I just sort of just I got through it. I 220 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,160 went there, I started walking through the woods, and I felt I didn't 221 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:59,960 feel at ease at all. I felt a bit nervous, a bit tensious. 222 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,960 And the more walked through the woods, the more visualized what I saw, 223 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,640 so much so that I started actually doubting myself thinking was it actually a 224 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:14,960 dog man? Was it a bit? But I knew it was and I 225 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,960 shouldn't, which you'll find out what I'm talking about now. I shouldn't, 226 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,519 I shouldn't, I shouldn't. My biggest mistake is to bring these people into 227 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:29,240 the woods, because it ended up not so nice. So as we started 228 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,319 entering the woods, there was a fence and left and side it's like being 229 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,680 tore down or ripped. It were like there's big steel wooden pegs which got 230 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,680 the spiking. I'll probably go about I don't know, I'm five ft eight 231 00:18:41,759 --> 00:18:48,559 five nine member because it's about top of the waist and the railing there being 232 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:52,920 destroyed. So we all, because we're gonna have this fire, we'll pick 233 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,720 up this pegs. So we we'll grab pegs and what's forward and we'll be 234 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:59,119 going in front of a five ten minutes or so. And we found this 235 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,599 area which once so well, it had like a big open mud patch where 236 00:19:03,599 --> 00:19:07,279 it was like, so what I had a fire there before and they said 237 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:10,960 it went too closs the trees. It were good location. So we put 238 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,799 all the wood down there and got ready to have like a little fire after 239 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:18,799 we visit Ronnie. And then she started it on a phone in the location 240 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:21,880 because I said, how we're going to find out I'll get back at here. 241 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,960 So I don't know if she did it, because I'm not right good 242 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:30,400 with doing these locations and whatnot on iPhones and Sampson's or whatever you play on. 243 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:36,160 So she started it, and then we wondered and we thought which path 244 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,960 to go, so we got on location again or not this entrance here to 245 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,000 go to Norwood Green which is on Station Road. So much fine destination. 246 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:52,920 Ronnie was big knock at the door from my even wise met Ronnie. But 247 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,920 it was funny and a big welcome surprise or PRIs of shocker, surprised of 248 00:19:57,039 --> 00:20:00,440 happiness, like oh wait you do when you all come to see me. 249 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:04,519 But the problem being is she didn't actually know what I'm actually doing what I 250 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:11,519 intended to do. Um So Ronnie being Ronnie the horse and a very good 251 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:15,880 at hospitality. She's a vegan, so she pulled all these fins out a 252 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,519 short notice, which I didn't expect her to. But relax, Everyonne been 253 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:25,200 Runnie. It's very hospitality. She had like these vegan cheeses like this smokes 254 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,319 appled a vegan cheese and all these fins and salads and it were quite nice 255 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,319 and where to to all and would have stayed a bit longer. And then 256 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,839 Michael said it getting a bit agitated. It's that the same quan Simon, 257 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,720 come on, I said, why are you rushing me? He said, 258 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,440 I know you. I know you're too well. He said, you're just 259 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,240 putting it off. He said, you're going to leave it till it gets 260 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,720 so there and then you're not gonna go want to go back to up Woods? 261 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,799 I said, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. So I 262 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:57,759 said all right, Ronnie. And Ronnie said, Simon, are you sure? 263 00:20:57,759 --> 00:21:00,599 Are you up for this? And I said, how do you mean? 264 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,599 She said, you know how much it traumatized you and and made you 265 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,160 so upset before. I don't want you to go through that again. Are 266 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,640 you ready for this? Even though it's just coming back through the woods and 267 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,839 coming through and how much the wood scare, So do you want to go 268 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,759 through back through the woods when it's as dark as it is? I said, 269 00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,920 I'll be all right, and then Mike went, come on, come 270 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,440 on, and and then I made an excuse because across the road there's a 271 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,480 pub called the Old White Bear. So they come up popping there for a 272 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:32,680 half. Then we forgoing now, please please, others needs that just before 273 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,440 we go through. Okay, then okay, so we went in the poor 274 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,279 biders ordered because I'm feeling a bit stick like miss stomach was turning because of 275 00:21:41,319 --> 00:21:47,960 the nerves about going back through the woods. So I just started this half 276 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:49,599 and it must have been the longest half of my life. It went on 277 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,640 to about wolf must have been nearly out and went come on't you sing it 278 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,519 off? So I decided once again I don't. I don't think I ever 279 00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:03,720 believe. But what was he in for a surprise? So we started going 280 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,240 back down. We used the location, cut back through the woods, started 281 00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:14,240 walking slowly. Um, it took us a little wrong direction at first, 282 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,720 which was at the other side, but then we managed to find it because 283 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,880 it doesn't that pinpoint apparently the exact location. So and we get back there, 284 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:30,240 and then we get some little bits of like you know, dry hair 285 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,160 or brambles as you call it, and put it under fire light it. 286 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,839 The fire gets going. It's quite pleasant, actually, so I said, 287 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:38,920 I'll see, Simon, there's nothing to worry about. So then we get 288 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,440 we've got a stone in each. We sat on a stone, and we 289 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:47,880 all sat around this fire and asked me sell a story. So I told 290 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,160 the story. I told the story of of of my counter and what happened. 291 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,279 They'll kind of listen to minute right now, you've got a few chests. 292 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:59,240 You know, there's nothing to worry about, don't you. So in 293 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,480 fact made I just didn't believe me anyway. So then we set of talking 294 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:07,680 about the supernatural experience and talking about spirits, so much so that as we 295 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:14,799 were talking the fire was late. Will sat around and the flame was flickering. 296 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,880 Then it turned like a blue like a blue flame, like almost like 297 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,599 a butts and burner, and it was like going. It was just weird, 298 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,960 and were like flickerings of it of this wood sparkling. It was like 299 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,079 almost like burned these big logs in like a space of I don't know, 300 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:37,720 a space of sad to say, minutes. But then we had this dragging, 301 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:42,720 dragging, dragging noise almost like not like footsteps, like dragging like dragging 302 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:48,799 through brambles. And then while sort of look behind to see this big noise 303 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:59,599 come through and make this rrific disturbing never heard of growl. So I think 304 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,839 that they're like's like she looks like oh, and like looked at me and 305 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,559 Michael like sort of turned around and looked as if to say, ever your 306 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:10,880 stage it's and I've sort of like and then when it's actually showed and come 307 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:18,960 out, she's absolutely screamed Papa. And I sort of stepped back when it 308 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,119 come out, and I will I stepped right back, like stepping foots back. 309 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,559 But she like run up the hill and started running up the banking like 310 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:33,400 screaming so like I've never seen anything. It's shot out of a bush. 311 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,759 It jumps so over her so fast. I've never seen anything anything in my 312 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,400 life like this. And so I've hearded it back like like some sheeps to 313 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,759 bring it back into like the circle where the fire was at the corner of 314 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:48,079 my eye. I looked at Michael. It was pale. Why, it 315 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,079 was like it was in a trance. Actually if looking at him. I 316 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,920 I fact that it could have been dead for how I knew, But then 317 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:07,279 I to set come back. It set growling and confronting and going back up. 318 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,519 I was stood there and I don't know how managed, but I felt 319 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:12,799 like I was frozen. But I man should come out of my thing. 320 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,599 And I shouted, I put my hand forward and I shouted, don't be 321 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,079 scared. It lives in your fear. And it and that moment turned its 322 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:29,839 head took about free stride towards me, which I was probably about twenty not 323 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,759 even that fifteen twenty feet away, and it walked right up to me, 324 00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:37,319 and so much that my hand was touching its spelly button. A sort of 325 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,039 moved my eyes up. Its head was like over me. Its slave was 326 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:47,920 dripping and I could feel it slave like puddles like that drain drops dripping on 327 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,160 the trainers. I was looked up. I noticed it's fan. There was 328 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:59,000 like yellow. There wasn't like sandish white as as and it adds one of 329 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,039 them looks like it had been chipped. Also, it looks like it had 330 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:06,440 a damaged eye. I was horrified in that. In that moment, I 331 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:11,400 sort of prayed and thought to myself. You know, there's magic words, 332 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,680 and that's what I've took the edge off. But I knew that it's like 333 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,720 being put a gunpoint. You know, any point, if you press out, 334 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,880 you're gone. Your life's over annual any point. This creature, this 335 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:33,599 monster could kill me with a mayor thought. But then it was I thought, 336 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:40,279 okay, game over. It's fair felt almost spike it almost I could 337 00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:44,119 feel it going through my hand like a pricks. It was really, really 338 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,440 strange. I didn't really feel a pain at the time because it was most 339 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,640 shocked. It was more afterwards. But let's get back to that later. 340 00:26:52,680 --> 00:27:00,000 So then luckily I'll always thank her for this. She screamed again, started 341 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,680 running away again, So it left me sort of chase back towards her, 342 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:08,200 as when I was at earl once again jumped heard itself round like steps with 343 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,680 its side steps with very long legs and like circled, so she'd like no 344 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:17,799 choice but to run back to the spot. I thought Michael. Michael was 345 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,039 in a trance, and I thought Michael was gone. But I don't know 346 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:25,000 how, but it's picked himself up. It picked up the big log from 347 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:29,119 the fire and sat spinning it around like a madman almost and it looks almost 348 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,319 like a Catherine wheel. There's one thing for sure, the dogman don't like 349 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,480 fire. So the dogman backed in. At the same time. You could 350 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,720 see a second pair of eyes in the bushes. Obviously it was lower down, 351 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,839 so it was obviously the Juke Deunile. You could see its little leads 352 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,480 popping in and out when it sets, swinning round with the fire. And 353 00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:55,240 it didn't touch the dog man, but it scared it. It sort of 354 00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:59,519 runned back towards down the banking, and it sort of drowned and puffed and 355 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:04,119 snout at this little one and they both went afterwards. I was very shocked, 356 00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:10,839 not very good of me. But we just left the fire at Embers 357 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,160 Numbers. We're just wating to go, So all three of us was just 358 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,559 walking so fast, walking so fast and fast and fast. I must have 359 00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,160 been I don't know. It felt like I was running, but I was 360 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,119 walking walking. It was that bad. I didn't speak. She was a 361 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,599 static. Michael was silent. When I got back ast him, he said, 362 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200 it couldn't move. I'm sorry, I said, no, you saved 363 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,039 my life. If you want to spun the ember, I don't know what 364 00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,480 would have happened. And I said to Amberie, if you had a screamed, 365 00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:44,759 you know it it was in front of me, you could you know 366 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,160 you suppose anyway, she was static anyway, so I couldn't get much sense 367 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,599 out of her. But Michael said it like when it was in a trance. 368 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,920 It said it felt like it was in like a first person view, 369 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:00,400 a first person mode. It said it felt like, say, to take 370 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,640 over his body and it couldn't move. He said he felt like a presence 371 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,920 of well, presence of evil. But yeah, that's exactly what happened. 372 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,559 Wow, that's a lot of process. What happened when you left the area. 373 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:18,920 I was worried. I felt like I was being we felt like being 374 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,400 followed. I kept looking back and stuff, and I there was shouting, 375 00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,000 shouting special back stop looking back, stop looking back. You're making me worse, 376 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:32,519 You're making me worse. I just I was just worried, and like 377 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,720 when I spoke to you and and you're give me that advice before, it's 378 00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,240 like, well, I didn't mention it. I should have mentioned it earlier. 379 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:42,039 But I was worried, like kind of getting the house, can I 380 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,200 do this? And you informed me, you said, Oh, you could 381 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,880 get through a door easy and even get through walls. So it was very 382 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:55,400 good advice that you've given me and told me about what possibly could happen. 383 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,839 Both like those words. It could have done, but it didn't, and 384 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:03,599 it I knew that it wouldn't after talking to you, I'm so glad you 385 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,720 came to understand that. That's great. Think about all the nights that have 386 00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:11,079 passed between the time of that second encounter an now, were it could have 387 00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,440 broken into your house, it hasn't done that, like you just mentioned, 388 00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,200 and that's because it doesn't want to do that. That's the best possible reason. 389 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,960 How is this latest encounter affected you compared to the first one? Now, 390 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,519 most of all, it's up in me horizons and my thoughts that it 391 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,680 is or if I him one encounter is enough, But never ever fight in 392 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,519 my life was two? Like I said, I doubted myself be far thinking 393 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,720 was this Rael? Was it fiction? Imagination? Was I overlooking? But 394 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,519 no, dog man do exists? And dog Man is true. I've seen 395 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,480 it with my own eyes. What I had and I was affected. To 396 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:57,160 me mostly is about it's affected the people I care about, the people I 397 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:02,519 love to see Marie and the way she is and like I say, in 398 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,559 the intermental institution and to see the way it's affected Michael and I put them 399 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:11,960 through that, but I didn't intend to put them through that. I'd never 400 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,000 thought that had happened. I even, like I said, but there, 401 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,759 well, I think, well, there's more than the word's shocked. There's 402 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:23,440 more than words surprised. There's not a word in ditricuent surprise kind of express 403 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,200 how I feel about put them through that. But at the same time, 404 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,240 like talking to you, I didn't put them through it. I wasn't to 405 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,680 know. For all I was doing, this is going through to conquer the 406 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:40,400 worst fear. It sounds like you're not blaming yourself or what Emrie is going 407 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,559 through when the fact that Michael was there as well. And I'm glad because 408 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,359 yeah, you shouldn't blame yourself for that. You had no idea, no 409 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,039 reason to expect it by going back a second time, that you would have 410 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,880 this second encounter. So that's not your fault. It's just unfortunate it happened. 411 00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,240 But like I said, that wasn't your fault at all. It's the 412 00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,079 fact that name reason that hospital more difficult for you to deal with than the 413 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:13,160 encounter itself. Yes, and no. It's hard to say. It's hard 414 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,319 to say. It's like it's really had to say. Um, I blame 415 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,079 myself. So I've got a lot of gold. But at the same time, 416 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,759 um, this isn't doesn't mambe better? Far from it. No, 417 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,920 it's even maybe worse. But I've got be strong for them. I don't 418 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,160 want to. I won't go through woods. I certainly world go let through 419 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:37,759 them woods again. Um, I certainly. It's horrifying, it's disturbing, 420 00:32:37,839 --> 00:32:45,119 it's unnatural. It's like, why these creatures are you know, there's so 421 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,839 many of them and so many encounters, you know, So it's very frustrating, 422 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:58,799 very frustrating, very very how people can go through these experiences and nothing's 423 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,799 done. But then if it's not hurting people, then I guess it's not 424 00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:07,319 doing anything wrong because scaring people isn't actually a crime, is it. Well, 425 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:12,640 it's not a crime, but it still is a malicious behavior when you 426 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,519 look at the fact that it can ruin lives and cause all these problems that 427 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:22,039 they caused by mortifying eyewitnesses. It could be worse, but it's definitely not 428 00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:27,319 a good thing when they dogged me and closed the distance between the two of 429 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:31,839 you. Didn't have jerky movements or smooth ones. When it was like jumping 430 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:37,720 over ad jerky movements like it bended leg jumped straight over. But as it 431 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,039 was circling, and the second second time when ambarreve run, when it was 432 00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:44,680 circling around, it had very smooth movements. It were like putting its legs 433 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,720 from left and pulling the other one forward. Example, like putting your leg 434 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,000 as far as you can to one side and the other one goes smooth to 435 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,440 the tross. And then again it were like circling that way and you can't 436 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,960 get past it, while she can't get past it because it was it was 437 00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,599 what eight steps throw one. Yeah, they do cover a lot of ground. 438 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,079 You told us about the small one you saw in the bushes being so 439 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,400 close to that big dog man that you touched it. He had a great 440 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:15,000 view of its features. Did it seem to be male or female? I 441 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,480 locked up, not down, because when ad manned out and it was up 442 00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,719 to it was almost like such a populated spelly button and it was up, 443 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,920 so I was sort of for us. I locked up, so it was 444 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,920 kind of hard to say it, but I didn't look down. And the 445 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,400 last thing I thought of in that scary encounteries is this a bar our girl? 446 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,039 It was a sort of place cloud help me. I don't blame you 447 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:42,960 for focusing on its head at all. You noticed that it had a damage 448 00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:46,119 die. Did you see any wounds that indicated that it might have been damaged 449 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,880 during a fight with another dog manner? Did it look like something else might 450 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:57,159 have been responsible? It was hard to say. It was like, I'll 451 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,599 describe it. It looks like a part of it. I don't know how, 452 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,880 but it looks like you could only see maybe that just like a quarter 453 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,559 moon, like a quarter moon of its eye, like all its top of 454 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,599 its top was over it so like it could see. But it's like the 455 00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,159 top of its eye has gone over. It's it's I it's very hard to 456 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:22,079 describe um. But yeah, it's like it's like it's a bigger spoiler eye. 457 00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:28,400 But it's so much swollen because it's it's hard to on a canine to 458 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,599 say swollen. But it's like the skin was down and you couldn't see a 459 00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:35,599 little bit of an eye. Wow, dogment are creepy enough to look at 460 00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:37,960 you see one with the demon style like that, and it's going to really 461 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:44,159 make it creepy. Well, yeah, now, it's its features, and 462 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,039 sometimes we have flashbacks about them, sometimes as I say them, when I 463 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:52,960 got asleep, even when I'm talking to you now, I can still see 464 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,599 in the head, its face, it's eye, its teeth, it had 465 00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:02,800 a chipped canine tooth. It was just unrail. You couldn't write about these 466 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:08,679 fins. These fins are horrific, very scary traits as you call them. 467 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:14,440 But I just don't understand. Can you explain why did the flame turn blue? 468 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:16,800 Well, that's see, was some kind of a supernatural being. It's 469 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:22,239 hard to explain. So don't have any answers for that other than yeah, 470 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,320 quite possibly might have been supernatural. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely a site 471 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,159 you're never gonna forget. No, when you reached out and touched its stomach, 472 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:35,840 he said, he touched its fur and it had kind of a stinging 473 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,719 sensation. Did you push hard enough to actually touch its skin as well or 474 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,320 just fur? No? It pushed to me so when I was when I 475 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,559 was there, I managed to get and I put my hand out and it 476 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:52,920 managed to walked up to me. It put his chest right up. It 477 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,920 stops right up to me, and it pushed as much as it could because 478 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,159 it would feel that, but not enough to push me over. But it 479 00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:05,480 was almost like like like a black pins but not like going all the way 480 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,320 through me, a bit of pin gun to t millime loads of pins a 481 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,519 few millimeters through your hand. But yeah, parm of your hand is a 482 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,800 very sensitive play so but I didn't actually feel the pain much. I could 483 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,320 feel a prick, but I didn't actually feel the pain properly until I got 484 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,679 over the shock. I mad, it's so strange when it pushed up against 485 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,199 your hand like that, did it feel harder? Chord? It was actually 486 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:36,199 quite strange actually, now you mentioned that, because when it pushed up to 487 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,079 my hand and I could feel it, when I felt like prif president. 488 00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:44,800 It felt like it was like reading me. It felt like a sense of 489 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,960 me had gone. It was really weird, like I wouldn't ease even there. 490 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,920 I could actually it felt like I was out of Michelle, like miss 491 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,159 all leaping body and I would just slack shell there with me and on touching. 492 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,039 It was very very strange. Now you meant shit, Yeah, that's 493 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:05,320 the way to describe it. I'm sure you were all out of swords here. 494 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,320 You're doing good to know your own name at that point, so I 495 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:15,280 get it. How far were you from the fire when this happened? Fifteen 496 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:21,639 twenty feet? Maybe because I stepped back. Probably someone was like I saw 497 00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:22,800 the first come out of the bush. It sort of jumps up and stepped 498 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,639 back. There were all shots like I told you about, so yeah, 499 00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:30,719 probably about I don't know, maybe maybe about fifteen feet. Yeah, i'd 500 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:37,840 say about fifteen feet. Was it solely focused on you or did it seem 501 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,039 to have any concerns about being that close to the fire as well? Well? 502 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,960 Like I said, at first it started on it was it's like it 503 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,000 was getting very angry. It didn't I think it was. It must I 504 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:51,800 don't know, and now I think back to it must have been something in 505 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,719 the fact it felt very angry when it come out in the rage. They 506 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,800 didn't come straight up to me today. He went straight up and they setted 507 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,840 growling. It was horrible, horrible. It's not even like a growl. 508 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,039 It's like you can't describe it. It's not like anything you see on like 509 00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,639 nature programs or any animal or any wolf, or it's just like this tremendous 510 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,360 evil like a growl, but the growls like got laughed to it. It's 511 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:22,039 it's weird, weird, very weird. Your condition to be able to explain 512 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,960 a lot of things indeed of your life that happened. But how can you 513 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:30,639 explain exactly what was going on when you having experience like that, well exactly, 514 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:36,559 It's like to send to a blind person, what does black look like? 515 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,159 You can't describe it because you got possibly know and I tell you something 516 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:45,679 you know, like you sometimes hear people on your show under the like imputations 517 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,920 of the growl, but I tell you something I don't get the vocals still 518 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,679 this growl wouldn't have an attempt to this growl. It's so traumatic, it's 519 00:39:53,719 --> 00:40:01,679 so scary. It's an evil loud laugh in malipple it in growl. It's 520 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:07,360 something I've heard before, but almost like it's when it's growling, almost like 521 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,159 it's got like fixed aliber and it's not them. It's very strange, Yes 522 00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:16,440 it is. Yeah, they don't have any soft edges to them. If 523 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,320 you'd like to be able to listen to the show without ads and have full 524 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,400 access to bonus content, that's an option to find out how Please go to 525 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,639 dog Me and Encounters dot com Forward Slash podcast. Because it all steaming, 526 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,960 we were pushing up against the palm of your hand. Did it seem to 527 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,559 be perturbed or almost enjoying the fact that you were so terrified? It was 528 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:45,320 almost like it was e or she was like playing alpha male, like pushing 529 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:46,360 up to me, look down, Oh, you're not scared of me. 530 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,880 When a shout with those words if, obviously it feeds on your fear. 531 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,400 So I think it was like a confrontation, like saying, you're not scared 532 00:40:55,440 --> 00:41:00,000 now, You're not scared now, And I was. I was very scared 533 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,239 it and the dog man won because I was scared. And the second time, 534 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,360 I think it's sheehy or whatever was just trying to approve a point to 535 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,000 say, look, I'm the boss, and I didn't remember it scared. 536 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,960 So I end the day it won, I lost. Well, that's how 537 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,400 it normally goes. Unfortunately, did the fact that the flames of your fire 538 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,119 turned blue make you think that that dogma must have been a supernatural entity before 539 00:41:28,159 --> 00:41:31,280 we spoke about what happened. No, First of all, when it goes, 540 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,599 you just think, well, that's strange. And the sort of everyone 541 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,840 looks at each of them before you know it, it's popping it out. 542 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,840 Bush, you don't really have time to think, and the elaborate on the 543 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,079 thought, Yeah, I'm sure you're just trying to process all of it, 544 00:41:44,159 --> 00:41:49,199 so that makes sense. Yeah, you had pianic attacks and drinking problems a 545 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,320 stem from that first encounter. How bad did this problem scared? Well, 546 00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:57,400 like I said, I'm a lot better now. I'm a grandle of two, 547 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,960 so I knowed to be that way. But on the nighttime, I 548 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:05,199 would just throwing cans of beer down the neck to just have got to sleep, 549 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,280 and I've gone be reliant on it. As on the nighttime, I 550 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,800 can't sleep. When I said, six cans of beer outside of my bed, 551 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,800 but I wouldn't drink them through the day. I'd only start opening them 552 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,400 at night and then start drinking right fast just to knock me out, just 553 00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,320 to make myself not ere these noises, not have these panic attacks. But 554 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,559 even more, he got to the stage that there'd be onet help anymore, 555 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,639 that I was still having these panic attacks. I was still having these night 556 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:35,440 terrors. So I thought, well enough enough, so I calm down, 557 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,719 and that stopped all that go on me. Like I said today fifth of 558 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:47,199 July and my granddad for a second time, I'm happy and that's really puts 559 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:52,559 me up, as in I've had really bad depression through all this traumatic, 560 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:59,280 scary experiences. It's very hard for me to come on the show today and 561 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:07,239 tell you exactly what happens because it's hard to talk about really. But I 562 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,239 found that talking about it does help. From like talking to you and all 563 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,920 the people that's come forward about these encounters. We can't all be wrong, 564 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,280 and dog Man does exist. And if Dogman was vicious and went to hurt 565 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,960 anybody, then people want to to tell a story, would they now? 566 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,880 So I'm happy that I'm talking to you, and by talking to you it 567 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:32,000 gets off my chest and makes it feel better because it's like I know you're 568 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,920 not but it's like you're the counselor because I can't tell the counsel about this 569 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,039 dog man because the counselor don't believe, as you you know, there is 570 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:43,599 a dog man. So by talking to you it does help. Thank you. 571 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,880 Oh, you're welcome. I wouldn't have it any other way. How 572 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,920 helpful was the Marie when it came to helping you come to terms with that 573 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:57,679 first encounter. Though. She was very very helpful. She was she told 574 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,400 me about to her when she had when you were younger. But do you 575 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,440 know when you're talking to someone, you're talking like you tell them and you're 576 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,920 open up about you seeing this creature and dog man and or whether in the 577 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:13,039 past must have had it where they tell someone that hasn't seen it or doesn't 578 00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,239 believe. And everyone believes in spirits and werewolves and dog being and so they've 579 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:21,719 seen it, they don't believe that. They are saying teena is believing. 580 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,800 And that's that's where the word faith comes into place, because like faith, 581 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:31,159 for example, gods, that is faith because you've got to believe in something 582 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,559 you have never seen. So a lot of people say seeing is believing. 583 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,039 So when you're talking, I could talk to her, Anne Marie, she 584 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,199 did. I told her. I told her, I told her and told 585 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,239 her and she did to believe. But I had this maybe it was a 586 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:52,320 fought back of my mind thinking does she really believe me? Does she just 587 00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:57,960 been sympathetic and does she think that maybe I'm poorly in my head and and 588 00:44:58,159 --> 00:45:01,079 she's just doing this and better I don't know, but she's, like I 589 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:05,280 said, she's tryed to me in better. She's been very supportive girlfriend, 590 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,519 And I say, she's took me to the woods with the best intentions to 591 00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:14,280 make me better. Unfortunately it didn't make me better at all, and in 592 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,840 fact, it made her worse ten times over. Well, yeah I did. 593 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,119 But like I said, don't be too hard on yourself, because you 594 00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,400 had no way to know that this was going to happen and that she was 595 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,880 going to respond to this experience the way she did. So yeah, like 596 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,480 I said, please don't be too hard on yourself. What's about time for 597 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,119 us to get out if you're assignment, But before we do, do you 598 00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:43,639 have any closing comments you'd like to share. Yes, sometimes you don't see 599 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:52,559 fins and sometimes finns same unreal, but lessen to other people that's been through 600 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:58,920 these traumatic experiences, and don't put yourself at risk. These fins what hurt 601 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:05,119 you, but they are terrifying. When your heart feels like it's racing, 602 00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:10,039 it's beating through your halope, that's the sense of fear. If you want 603 00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:15,119 to put yourself through experiences, you don't go in the woods looking for it, 604 00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:16,840 because if you look for it, you want to say it. If 605 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,880 you don't look for it, that's when it'll get you your best. I'm 606 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,599 not sure. If the spiritual, I'm not sure. If the wells, 607 00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:28,280 I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But what I saw is what I 608 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:34,280 told in my story. Everybody keeps safe and look after each other. And 609 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,119 that's my closet. Not very well said, well, Simon, I hope 610 00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:42,760 this marks your last encounter with a dog man. I'm starting to wonder now. 611 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,480 I hope there's not a third one, But if there ever is, 612 00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:47,840 please do reach out to me and let me know when we'll take it from 613 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,639 there. But having said that, thanks against so much for your time, 614 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:53,000 and have a great night.