It's Tuesday. You know what that means. It's time for Ignition with the
aw Fan podcast team. A boy, we just saw Double or Nothing and
there's a lot of stuff leading up to Dynamite that we're going to talk about.
This is Kelson, This is Alex and yeah, I don't know what
you want to talk about. First, I was thinking maybe the biggest moment
from Double or Nothing was the return of MJF. Definitely that was pretty big.
Yeah, and I think that that's pretty interesting. Like MJF he did
return right after a will Osprey match, and for my money, like thinking
about AW the biggest few that they could possibly have, what I'd love to
see maybe headlining or a big match at all in is MJF versus will Osprey.
I don't know how how you guys feel, but I feel like will
Osprey is like way better than anyone expected promo wise, but no one's better
than MJF. And I just want to see them in the ring cutting a
promo setting up an amazing match. Well, Ax, do you think that
maybe that's having MJF and will Osprey is maybe a little too soon to take
their shot? Yeah? No, you know what I do feel like that.
I feel like you you wait, so maybe not all in, but
but that's that's a feud, like like Rock Austin and I know that's like
a huge feud, but that could be like Aw's version of that, like
just their two biggest stars at the top of their game having a feud that
could last for years and years and they could come back to it. Yeah.
I mean, well, I would have used a different example. I
was or Pentacle and Nila Rose, but Austin, okay, I look for
a look for HIMJF to come back and do a little bit. I think
you got to do the Samoa Joe out Adam Cole kill before you do anything
with anybody else. New you got to come back. He's come back.
He's already. He's already fired the first salvo against Adam Cole. So all
we have to do now is wait for Adam Cole to get cleared and then
you can have that battle. And that's where they should go with him first.
But that was an amazing thing to see that night. That was a
huge pop. MK. Let me ask you this did because I didn't notice
anything that anybody else. I'll ask MK, and everybody else could chime in
if they want. I didn't notice like any kind of stiffness or any kind
of limp or anything from him from MJF, did you. No, I
think he's back and better than ever. He he he put on some good
moves and he and he's well well, like I said, repeat myself,
but he's back and he's ready to go. And I was. I was
more interested in seeing Adam Cole taking the bump than I was in JF doing
it, because that means he's getting ready to come to be better to come
back. No, I did read. I did read a report that Adam
Cole is not close to being cleared, and I did notice him limping a
little bit. I don't know if that was k fabe. That was before
MJF did anything to him. He did limp a little bit, but he's
definitely moving better than he was when he was sitting in the wheelchair. Yeah,
he took a brainbuster, so his feet feet don't really have to take
any impact. He doesn't have to run around m So what exactly he in
here? I think he broke his foot, right, he was just like
jumping off a ramp. Yeah, I think it was the foot as Yeah,
he messed his ankle whip when he came off the ramp. But though
I can't remember which show it was now, so it's the same type of
thing that Adam Copan is going through, I think, out of probably a
little bit more serious. Yeah he should. He fractured his shin so tibia.
Yeah, yeah, it was basically your shin. So he's going to
have to require surgery and it's going to be a little bit more than an
ankle injury. Yeah, But the good news is they'll probably put some uh,
you know, screws in that sucker and just have him heal up and
be ready to go again. He'll just have a hard time getting through security
at airports from now on. He's a damn vampire. Come on, now,
yeah, they have healing powers, come on exactly. That was a
stupid spot, though, wouldn't you say? Yeah, I mean, I'm
fifty six years old. If I was wrestling, there ain't no way in
the hell I'm climbing fifteen feet in the air. And he would have not
hurt himself if he would have hit Malaki first, But he jumped to his
feet first. That made no sense. I'm sitting there going did he just
blow that was that a Was that a botch? Or? Did he do
that? Was that was a botch? It? If you did? You
see the uh the I guess the video that Adam Copeland did where he basically
made fun of himself. You know, he was like, I messed up,
you know, totally on him. Even went so far as I raised
the House of Black and uh say that they're great and everything, and he's
gonna name his crutcheses uh after the boys. I'm I was crying. I
was literally crying when I saw that. So let's get back though. I
mean, MK, you think it was you? You brought up Samoa Joe
finish business with Samoa and Joe. Maybe just maybe, oh that was you?
Uh maybe going on to Adam Cole, maybe even Roderick Strong because you
know he's part of that too. I don't know if anybody can make Roderick
Strong all event, it would be MJF, right. Uh. I feel
like Roderick Strong is a dynamite feud for m JF. That's not a pay
per view, right. Does anybody else anybody else have a wish list of
first opponents for MJF? M Not really? I mean there's so many I
can think of, like Christian m JF Faith versus Christian heal. That would
be a lot of fun for sure, him versus Okada, him versus like
even Jack Perry, like seeing him represent aw against the elite, that could
be a lot of fun. Like there's so many directions really anything with m
JF. It's hard to go wrong. It's going to be interesting. But
anything he is going to be elevated. Yeah, go ahead, don't go
h you know him versus Jack Perry sells a lot because at last double or
nothing, I believe it was he said that the Jack Perry needs to embrace
a different side of himself and and and Perry finally has. So I think
those two will be a great matchup to see. It will give Perry some
credibility because you both can go uh, you know he he needs that right
now. I like this storyline because it's helping Jack Perry a lot. And
Jack Perry needs that one guy to set him up and put him on the
road to mandivent status. Yeah not. Do you have any opinions on this
on who you would like to see is Jeff's first opponents? I think I
think Jack Perry is a pretty good choice for him. I don't know.
I would like to see him take on our esteemed EVPs and some some role
maybe uh not just you know, Jack Perry, maybe Al Kata something like
that, something a little unexpected and just really really interesting. MJF is quite
the character, so I think that anyone he wrestles it will be a really
good lead up too, and I anticipate that almost as much as I do
the actual match. So I'm just excited to see him back. Well,
you know, this kind of brings me into the next point that we're going
to talk about, and that's the owen Hart Cup and the announcement being that
the winners of the owen Hart Cup will be the number one contenders for the
men's and women's titles. Now this was before Adam Copeland broke his leg.
Because on Dynamite we're getting the Forbidden Door Casino Gauntlet, which also has the
stipulation at the winner and this is only on the men's side of course,
will get a championship shot at Forbidden Door. Now, there are going to
be some international stars supposedly in this match. But here's the thing. This
was the winner the of the Forbidden Door Casino Gauntlet and the owen Hart Cup
are going to be getting the same reward, and that's a chance, at
least on the men's side at the aw Men's Championship. My idea was,
because of Adam Copeland's injury, why not make the Forbidden Door Casino Gauntlet as
a as the thing that determines who gets the shot at the TNT Championship.
Last two men standing get a shot in the T and T Championship and then
just have the owen Hart for what I think from thearre in Kelson is that
the Owen Heart's not going to take place till after Forbidden Door. That's how
I took it. I took it that wants they announced the casino for Forbidden
Door that as soon as because you've got like a month and a half a
month and a half almost between Forbidden Door and uh all in, so I
assumed that that was where they would put the owen Hart Battle after Forbidden Well,
they've already said that, Yeah, the finals are July tenth. Yeah,
so they'll have the casino things tomorrow night to determine the Forbidden Door winner
or challenger, and then whoever wins from Forbidden Door will face whoever wins the
owen Hart at all in Yeah, you know, so let's us look at
the old Heart real quick. Do we think that it would be smart to
don't remember you got? I hope that they put out the entire brackets like
they did with the Continental Classic, so that we can see the entire brackets
and not just make them up as they go as they've done in the past.
But with the owen Hart Cup. Would you like to see international wrestlers
in in the owen Hart as well? And honor yes, but because he
did spend time in Japan, I wouldn't being in there. I don't know
who the top of my head, but I you know, you gotta give
it some flair. You gotta give them a chance. And you know,
I think it would be neat if they don't lose in the first round.
Let's put them in there and give them a chance at least a small scott
right, Yeah, I think it'd be good. Yeah. I want to
share something with you guys about the women's division in the owen Hart Cup,
because the women's division has a little bit of a problem going on, right,
okay, And let me just explain what the problem is. On the
official roster for aw's women's divisions, there's thirty eight women. Okay. Out
of those thirty eight women, fourteen of them are either out with injury or
paternity leave, or or just or just not used in a wrestling capacity,
like for example, Riba. You know, she's still on the roster,
but she's not been used. Leila Gray, she's wrestling everywhere else but a
w Now, there are a few that are wrestling, like tayavl Athena,
Billy Starks are almost exclusively on our oh, but they're on the AW roster.
But here's the problem that they're running into. And I am including Chris
Statlander in this up to twenty four remaining women who are not out right now,
only eight of them are babyfaces. So you've got one third of the
women's roster that's active right now our babyfaces. At two thirds of the women
are heels. So you are you are you putting Tony Storm and Mariah may
As in that situation? I kind of amu. I am putting Mariah may
As a heel because she's been wrestling mostly heels. Now, there are some
that are queens. They're ambiguous, like Kira Hogan, she's a babyface sometimes
and she's a heel sometimes she plays the part that she's asked to play.
So it's not an exact science, but the fact of the matter is,
if you were to go through the roster right now and look at the women
that are actively wrestling, you will clearly say that there's a significantly more heels
that there are baby faces. Yeah, and it is a problem, and
I agree with you one hundred percent. And they do it way, way,
way too much. In aw if you look at the men's roster,
you're going to see a lot of men or heels too. For whatever reason,
Tony Kahn loves to have everybody be a heel, and it doesn't work.
You can't have That's like making the nWo all nWo black and white and
everybody else, like fifty thousand people all heels and you've got six people that
are faces. It doesn't work like that. You got to stretch it.
That was like one of the reasons why the whole need to turn stat Lander
a heel or lily heel made no sense because you just add another heel to
a bunch of heels that you can't you know, you can't have competition like
at but it's like a shortcut to generate interest or give them a new thing
to do. But the problem with that is, ever since the dawn of
the Internet, your heel face then kind of doesn't make any difference anymore because
you you you, you're gonna get heat. I mean, how many,
how many times we see guys like Austin who was a heel but generated better
heat. You got more cheers than anybody else on the roster. Look at
MJF. MJFF biggest he in the company, but he gets face heat because
people love him. But you're not getting that from everybody. And that's where
the problem comes in. Well with somebody like he'll with a heel like Austin
and MGF, they were more like they're more like anti heroes. You didn't
you didn't say, oh I hate that guy and I hope he gets a
crap beat out of him very often. I mean, you're always like,
I just want to see him in the ring and doing a promo. You
know, you got excited for the pop that they were going to give.
I mean, it was that fair assessment and and sudden, you know,
you grew up in the same era that I did. Basically, And I
don't know about you guys, uh you know, but when I was growing
up, babyfaces just got the snop beat out of them. I mean,
babyfaces never had a belt, and if they had a belt, a long
run for a babyface was a month, two or three weeks month. You
know, I didn't have these long you know. I mean Rick Fleer,
for example, Rick Dusty Roads were bitter rivals, but it was the most
couldn't beat Rick Flair just to save his life. But it was all about
the baby face chasing the title right for like months or even years, just
to get that one point where they actually went Yeah. I mean, it
was like one of those things where it was very emotional when a babyface won,
because ever happened, my father was My father was always saying, you
know how much he was disappointed in wrestling, because it always taught the kids
that watched wrestling that the bad guys were the only ones that succeeded. Well,
I think it was when the bad guys had the titles the most,
but it was a bigger deal when the baby face won. The reason I
brought that up is that with the owen Hart Cup, there's going to be
a problem with having babyfaces to fill out the bracket. I don't think there's
probably only going to be eight eight people like, it's probably going to be
four and four at most sixteen, but I think you'll be I'll think you'll
have eight. But it's gonna make it because because you don't want to have
a heel going against the heel. It's gonna be when you see the baby
faces in the bracket, it's gonna be like almost obvious who's gonna win?
So who do you think is going to win? Like can is Jamie Hayter?
And and then still hurt to where they can't they debut back and and
be their first matches back into this tournament, because I thought I heard that
Jamie Hayter was almost back and Britt Baker was too. Brit Baker's they've shown
many videos of Britt Baker training with the likes of DDP. She looks in
great shape. She spent backstage at dynamites and collisions and whatnot, but Jamie
Hayter as not. And I just read a story from one of the Dirt
sheets, and I don't know which one, saying that Jamie Hayter was not
at double or nothing, and there's no timetable with Jamie Hayter one thing.
You know, as far as who's going to win Alex Uh, I think
that because Brit Baker had won the owen Hart before, I think it's gonna
come down to Uh, Britt Baker versus Willow Nightingale with the owen Hart because
they've both wanted before. Yeah, my prediction because I think it's maybe the
biggest story they've had going and we know that the winner is going to compete
it all in for the Women's Championship, So I I think Mariah May has
a shot. I would look it set up an interesting match and it's a
good way to showcase Mariah May is a threat. Like, yeah, I
think that could be a really cool outcome. Yeah, but you're saying go
ahead. I can see. Remember there are some younger folks who have potentially
able to come back because reports are that Megan Bain is ready to come up
and they're gonna get her a heel Gammick. There could be someone from Startingdom
that comes over for a little bit, so I can see that. I
love to give Megan Vain some experience and this and actually get her to win
a match or two. But if I'm booking at I would look it as
this is a perfect way for Mariah May two, drive Tony Thorm a little
bit crazy and possibly her get close to it as well. Well. That
that's going to depend on what happens if Forbidden Door, because they have the
opportunity there to start the whole to begin the feud between Tony Storm and Mariah
May. But because you see, that's the whole problem with that whole tournament.
If let's say Tony loses it Forbidden Door, are they gonna leave her
spot to have a chance at rematch at all? In I'd love to see
Mariah May or even Scott Blue when that on the women's side, because I
mean that would be amazing. On the men's side, I look for somebody
like, uh, one of the younger guys that hasn't had a shot yet.
Maybe Daniel Garcia would be a great win. Mm hmm. But Daniel
Garcia versus Swerve or whoever's the men's champion and that as the main event of
Wembley Stadium, that seems a little yeah, black and I love Daniel Garcia,
but that's a tough s. Sorry, I don't know on the men's
side, who I would honestly put that can match match it and make it
like this big thing, because right now there's so many people on that side
that I don't want to see Mocksley versus you know, it needs to be
a two big names that have come up and done the thing, because there's
so many big Manvin has already who who contential would do it, But I
want to see all in the electric and someone who can match him move or
move and just go crazy with it because a lot of people want Osprey just
for because it's hometown guy. But it doesn't need to be. Yeah,
how it is way in the future, you know, compared to Forbidden Door.
Want to look, here's the thing. Okay, we know we are
going to know tomorrow night who's going to be challenging strickling at Forbidden Door.
And they've already said that there's going to be international champions or international wrestlers in
this Forbidden Door because you know, Gauntlet match tomorrow night. So I fully
expected an Internet and international wrestler to win this match, so that it is
a Forbidden Door, true forbid door match at Forbidden Door. Here's one of
the concerns I have is that I don't know how many people are going to
be in this match tomorrow night that Forbidden Door got because you know, Gauntlet.
But I hope that it's not some of the same guys that are in
the Owen Heart Cup. And I also hope that it's not some people that
when you look at them going there, will like, okay, there's the
butcher to Blaze. They're going to be eliminated because you know that they're not
going to be going to Forbidden Door, and it probably what may be the
main event in fighting for the aw Men's Championship, you know what I mean.
So they've got to play it smart, you know, Yeah, they
can't, but they can't double up on the Owen Hard Cup. It's it's
very weird. Well like the Owen Cart Cup is it's it's going to be
six months, six weeks from now. Uh, it'll it won't start until
after Forbidden Door, I assume, so we'll probably have long forgotten the match
tomorrow night by the time the Owen Heart started. And yeah, I'm I'm
very intrigued because this is supposed to be an international match. Theoretically, we're
getting an international opponent for swerve, I've forbidden door, But yeah, what
is the what's the mix going to be? Because yeah, I don't want
to see a lot of aw people in the match. To more, I
want to see as many CML guys, New Japan guys. Uh, maybe
some surprises, right, maybe start Rob d Dam in there. Yeah,
he's going to be in it. Honestly, what was that? Mkay?
I wish they would announce who who's going to be in that match because it
would help me to know who to look out for and who to research a
little bit figure out who they are. Well, it's kind of a Gauntland
match. Well it's Gotland match, So it's they're gonna be that tells me
what they're coming out one by one? Right for every two minutes, I
would like to know how many people that they have scheduled to come into the
bat So yeah, I yes, it's kind of random because the match can
theoretically based on how they did it last time, It can end at any
time. It can end after two guys are in the ring. That's whoever
gets the pinfall first, right, Yeah, so I guess they could keep
on coming out forever. Yeah, Well you know, look, I mean
that's going to be an interesting batch tomorrow night, and I hope they don't
leave the show with it because I think it needs to be special, you
know, and I yeah, but you also have to you know, I
talked about doubling up on the owen Hart Cup. You know, Alex,
you made a good point that the owen Hart Cup isn't going to be starting
till maybe after we've forgotten about this match. But you know what isn't going
to be forgotten is who's going to battle for the interim TNT Championship. So
you Atw's kind of got a little bit of a it's probably maybe a good
problem, but it's still a problem. They got to figure out what they're
going to do with these belts. Yeah, so it's very weird. Yeah,
And Tony's go to is a tournament, and now you have sort of
a mini tournament tomorrow night. You have a tournament starting up in four weeks,
So are you gonna squeeze another tournament in there? Are you gonna figure
something else out for the the TNT title. My sleeper pick for tomorrow night,
if he's in it, is going to be Juice Robinson, you know,
coming back from an injury, and you know he showed up at at
double or nothing. He looked ready to go have a lose, right,
I got Jeff Cobb, that's a good one. Yes, he was in
that match the week before and or wasn't there one he was in last week
so he looked like, yeah, so I think it's I think he's going
to be asleep before tomorrow night. What about the Abril kid he's been talking
trash about. Aw. I don't know if this is a gimmick or or
not, but I think that would be very interesting to see. Ah,
yeah, that would be interesting. Yeah, he's interesting. And the thing
with him is if he shows up in a w it does make him a
hypocrite, whether that's a problem or not. But yeah, well, I
mean we'll do a heck of a lot more tomorrow night. We'll be certainly
talking about it on All YE Talk tomorrow night. Yeah. Yeah, I
think this is an awesome way to do it, just having you don't know
who's going to show up. They're going to have a ton of random guys,
the MLL guys. Hopefully we get Hetchasarrow. I'm very excited for this
match. Yeah, yeah, so what do you want to talk about deck
STYLEX. I'm seeing this. I didn't catch the media scrum, but apparently
Tony con and I know there's been rumors of women's tag belts, but he
also mentioned mixed gender belts. Yeah. Yeah. The one thing with this
is we did see the breakup of Willow and Statlander, and that was like
a headline, headliner tag team in the women's division that we assumed if they
were going to make belts, That's kind of why they would be one of
the teams competing. So it is interesting that that team's broken up before any
of this happened. But yeah, I'm wondering your guys thoughts on having these
new belts. Well, first of all, let's let's address the elephant in
the room. Let's talk about the mixed gender belt. Does anybody want that's
crazy? What's wrong with the mixed gender belts? Well, you can't fight
in Oklahoma apparently because they don't women wait only if only if? Yeah,
I guess you can't. Never mind, have they had any mixed ginger matches
except for a couple in a W Wasn't there? They had one a few
weeks ago. I think it was like Adam Copeland and Willow versus Yeah,
and Buddy Matthews. Yeah, they've had a few coward one of them and
uh or, but they've never had really a man fighting a woman like maybe
they don't do that. Yeah. To me, it's so convoluted that you
have to tag out in and owl if you're depending on who's in it,
and that for me should be special matches. I don't want to see that
all the time. I don't think the only belts. I want to see
the women's tag team to make it a little more even, to get more
exposure. I don't want to see mixed at all, you know what,
I I don't want to see it. I was thinking about the women's tag
belts and the way that they're making Tony Storm a a babyface again. Basically,
could we see Thunderstorm get back together? Mm? So, I mean
hopefully Julia's on her way back. Juliet Sky Blue, Uh, God only
knows. I would love to see somebody like Statlander and Megan Baine together,
you know will oh maybe with even somebody like Mercedes. That would be interesting.
Yeah, I can see that, you know, Ryan Harley, Cameron
Tate Mellow said that she was last week she said she was two months away
from being cleared, so we could have Tate Mellow and and a j.
The return of kJ Doctors has so many possibilities, you know, so,
I mean you can't even discount Athena and Billy Starks. Yeah, and of
course Britt Baker and Jamie Hayter if they ever show up again in aw you
know. So there's all kinds of weird things that you can do, you
know, so it could be interesting. But I'm all for the women's belt,
the women's tag belts. I think that they were necessary a year ago
or more because that's the way you get women in wrestling matches, not not
in the mixed belts. That just does not make a lick of sense to
me at all. But the worst tag belt would be something that I could
get invested in. Ym HM, Like the mixed belts could be cool if
they actually allowed for intergender competition and stuff like that, it could be a
whole new network that Yeah. Yeah, Unfortunately, I don't think people really
want to see that, to be honest with you, I've seen what happened
at Lander versus men's opponents, and like they can have pretty entertaining competitive matches
and you know, it's never really been done on TV. But yeah,
but you know, I look at it and yeah, I'll bring up China
who famously took on men, you know when during her run in w W
E and then you know, rest in peace. But you know, the
men that she wrestled simply just to a man, they've all said that she's
just she was just god, yeah, you know, and it was Jo
had an interview I saw. She said that he said that China was not
that good and he had to carry the match and stuff. And I just
think it's weird to watch and gender match. I know that that that I've
seen some some YouTube video that people and I always just I can't watch.
I don't want to watch that. That's not something that interests me. But
some people do. And more power to him. But I've seen I've seen
Chris Statlander and inter gender matches. I've seen Julia Hart inter gender matches,
Billy Billy Starks. There's been several and it was all indies, and they
were all meaningless. I mean, you know, yeah, but all indeed,
you gotta have meaningful you gotta have meaningful matches. Of course, you
know, Nila Rose and Serpentego just accidentally won the championship that they've never defended
still to this day. I believe they think they wanted before Christmas. It's
the defended championship. But anyway, Yeah, but to me, it's just
not gonna work, you know, because, let's face it, not the
men have to hold back because of wrestling, that's hold back because of what's
considered taboo for the networks, et cetera, et cetera. You know what
I mean, And it just won't work. No. If that's the case,
if it's an advertising issue, then yeah, I mean, it's just
not gonna work. I mean, look at when Britt Baker went to the
aid of Adam Cole that you got the heck beat out of her. You
know, people lost their ever loving minds on the Why would you subject yourself
to that again? Because people will lose their minds on the internet for anything,
you know. Yeah. Yeah, so that's gonna be interesting. I
just hope that when they do announce, if Tony Kan does announce Women's tag
team belt, that they wait until they get their roster back because there's a
lot of injuries, there's a lot of people out speaking of which, and
This is something that we have talked about before. I wanted to touch on
the sad state of the men's tag team division because who are the tag team
champions right now? I don't even know who cares? Did they Did they
defend the championships at double or nothing? No, I don't know when exactly,
haven't yet they haven't, that makes sense. I mean, you've got
some pretty good I'm a big fan of top Flight, you know, I
you know, may have been a thing, but now that's been put on
the House of Black at the Kings of the Black Throne. Those guys are
good. Yeah, other than you have tr but it's the same people doing
the same thing over and over again. You only have five people that are
five tag teams that are just interchanging. Yeah. Well because yeah, unfortunately
Acclaimed and Bullet Club Gold or Bang Bang Gang now they're both kind of mixed
up in the Trios division, same with like Gates of Agony, which is
now Cage of Agony. Unfortunately, that dilutes it because I think if you
didn't have that, you'd have like ten great tag teams. Yeah, We've
said it before on this podcast that many of us feel like the Trios Division
is knocking back the tag team division, and I still it blows my mind
because I don't know what the fascination with the trios division is when tag team
divisions have been around since I've been watching wrestling, and they're important and the
trio's divisions just not. I'm sorry. The novel's a novelty belt, Yeah,
because it's so freaking crazy, everybody running around. You can't tell who's
in, who's in, who's in the match, and who's not and it
and for me, it lacks suspense because tag teams you're always looking for that
hot tag and and you really don't have that hot tag and that fun of
the suspense of someone else, the guy who really really really wants in.
You know, you don't have that because they all seem to be flying everywhere
and it's just too busy. It's too much of a cluster for me.
That's why I don't like him. Yeah, I mean, what's if you're
gonna do the tag teams go all in on the tag teams? Don't don't
they aw can't do what they've been doing. Tag teams are just have lost.
The tag team belts have no relevance, and we've got a couple of
the greatest tag team tag teams in wrestling right now, arguably the Young Bucks
and FTR, and they're spitting their wheels. Yeah, they're way too much.
They had a chance at the Tag Team Tournament to put some new people
in, but they chose to go with the Young Bucks and start this this
this elite storyline, which oh the bad but yeah you had you know,
at the time, a private Party was hitting it pretty hard and I thought
they could have been There are several other tag teams that could have done it,
but they are they once again stick with the tried and true. I
don't know if they have it a contract or not. It seems like every
year or so, every six months or so, the Young Bucks have it,
and it's it's to a point where they have to start making new,
fresh tag teams that can be the guys, and I don't see them doing
that. But I think the problem is that they started with the triple teams,
the six men tags because it allowed them to get more people into the
show, and it got to the point where that was what they were doing
for the most part. But I believe they need to now that they have
it in a solidified three triple to three man tag. They need to move
that belt to r OH. Be done with it. Don't bring it back
to W to the aw main bring it, keep it on H where it
can be useful. Get back to the tag teams. The Bucks got them
basically like you said, MK, it's to start the whole thing with the
EVP, which they needed to do. That was that was how they were
going to start it, and they'll have them until it stops, probably the
end of the year, whenever they come to the conclude to that, if
you know, however long they want this to last. But until they take
away the the the tag that the trios team belts and put them on ROH
and get them completely off AWTV, it's always going to be a crutch that
they fall back on because it allows you to have an extra two guys on
the show, and unfortunately, with the size of the roster right now,
sometimes that's what they have to do to get everybody in. Very true.
Yeah, I just think it's unfortunate because their tag team division Ist has so
much potential, Like in the Lucha Bros. We didn't even mention them right
well, you forget about that because they're there's no tag teams. Well,
you have probably about I'm just going to top off the top of my head,
you probably have about fifteen solid tag teams in age as boys. Yeah,
yeah, I mean you have fifteen, at least fifteen seriously very good
tag teams. It could be bad only for it again, you just don't
have time. Sometimes you've got you know, the ones you've all mentioned.
You've got the I don't remember what they called himself now because you're Bear Brouns
and his brother Iron Savages, you got the Infantry, You've got uh right,
righteous, I mean, it's yeah, emotions. I mean there's there,
there's five right there we just mentioned besides the other six or seven you
mentioned before that. Yeah, I mean, but they're not taking the time
to do it seriously. Yeah, and to be honest, to be honest,
the Triple the Triple team should not have taken a place of that because
it's it's not something that you can't do at the same time, you know
what I mean, it's not. But you you wrap up all your best
teams like the ass Boys, the Acclaim, they just get wrapped up in
this right nonsense, and it's fun. But yeah, I mean, keep
it on a ring of honor and and make it like a ring of honor
staple. But yeah, it's it's unfortunate. I mean, you've got you've
got, you've got all these tag teams that we just mentioned, but there's
only like four main ones on the rest due to job mm hmm. Well,
Alex, you know you wanted to talk about, uh the best and
worst of Yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to bring up something that
I think is maybe controversial and probably get some discussion going. But I was
thinking long and hard about what I thought was the best match from from Double
or Nothing. I think it was a good show. It was like an
eight out of ten. Everything was pretty good. But but we didn't really
get anything like at Dynasty, the will Osprey Brian Danielson. We didn't get
a match to me that that was like head over heels, like just blew
me away. But for me, I think maybe my highlight of Double or
Nothing was the Mercedes Monet versus Willow Nightingale match. I was really hoping that
we'd get a match where we could where it felt like the women we're putting
on a match like the same quality as the men at a pay per view
like it just felt like a high level match, like super intense, just
everything I was kind of hoping to see from that match and hoping to see
from Mercedes. I know she looked a little rusty, especially at the end
when she was doing her finisher to someone that was probably a little bit too
much weight for her to get up properly for that. Maybe she needs to
have a second finish here like will Osprey does with the Hidden Blade. But
I thought Mercedes Monet looked really good, and I thought this was probably one
of the best women's matches I can remember seeing in quite some time on AW
Well, what about do you want to share your worst moment then too?
Uh? The worst moment for me was probably I just felt a little bit
disappointed, not really by the anarchy in the arena match, but I just
was really hoping we had something to end on like a high note, and
by that I mean like a return of Hangman Adam Page or just something to
like further that story of the Elite and bring us some excitement on what to
expect for Dynamite, And we didn't get it. It felt like it kind
of ended on a lackluster moment, especially when we had like MGF return earlier
in the night, it felt like the highs were early and then it kind
of trailed off for me. So that was my low point. Yeah,
who wants to go next with their best and worse than the night at double
or nothing. I didn't really have the best of the night. When it
came to the matches, it just was, like you said, I like
said, I wouldn't even go with an eight out of set of seven and
a half because there really wasn't. You know, they build this as being
the WrestleMania for for a w It's the main first show that got them started.
It was five year anniversary, and it just didn't feel like that was
what it was. Everything just sort of it built, built, built,
built, built, and just kind of slid down. But I kind of
disagree with the Willow the Willow matches. I think Willow had a great match.
I just was really disappointed in what mer well, I'm not going to
say disappointed in Mercedes because it's basically what I expected from her. She wasn't
that impressive to me. She was extremely slow off the ropes. Damn near
killed Willow with the fine with her with her finish, I mean that was
bad could have been bad. Yeah. If if I was gonna have to
pick one match that I thought was the best match of the night, it
was the will Osprey match. But even that match was almost too long for
me. Yeah, and it wasn't as good as his other matches. No,
and and and you know I don't. I mean, they almost killed
him in that match. And you know, we we had talked about how
there's no interference in matches the night before, you know, the lad on
Thursday, we talked about how that happened in last week, and it seemed
like every match this week had something, whether it was building the match or
not. So I was, I was, wasn't even you, You're the
problem is you were right up to that point. But last then it seemed
like on Sunday they heard our podcast and way, you know what, we
don't. Let's see what we can do to change that. So those idiots
wrong. Yeah, I think I think for me, Dynasty was a much
better pay per view than this. But MJF, if you would have put
him at the end or before, if they'd have had that match arrange so
that he could have came out right before that, it would have made the
show worth watching all the way to the end, but I just I don't
know, it just wasn't It just didn't do it for me. Who wants
to go next? I'll say, Uh, my favorite match had to be
Copeland and Malachi Black. I like those kinds of matches where they really get
into it and really fight. I think it's unfortunate that Copeland got hurt,
but it leaves me to wonder what they're going to do in the House of
Black. And I had two least favorite things. I hate that Willow lost,
and I did not like the way anarchy in the arena was because they
turned the music off and there was so much going on that you couldn't see
everything that was going on. And I think there was probably a lot of
good wrestling, a lot of good fighting, and we missed quite a bit
of it. And I'm getting tired of Darby Allen being a stunt dummy,
like one of those you know, you know, they're fake in the movies
and they're just thrown all around. That's what he's starting to remind me of.
And it's getting a little old. So that's how I yeah that I
made a comment about Darby Allen. What somebody posted on the aw Found subreddit,
what the hell are they going to do with Darby Allen? I said,
we should probably get run over by the aggnlance that they're taking him to
the hospital in. Probably he'll fall out of the back and go rolling down
the expressway on the gurney. It is good to be a little bit like
watching a stuntman instead of a wrestler anymore. Yeah, yeah, so I
like him as a wrestler. I like what he does, but it's time
to do something a little bit different. So I think he find needs to
find something else to do, or someone really good much like himself, that
he can really have a long going feud with where they kind of try to
outdo each other. Right, Yeah, it did seem like maybe he was
wrestling injured well, just like in a weird way. Even though he got
hit by a bus and he was hung by his feet and all that,
it did seem like he was not wrestling wrestling. Yeah right, Yeah.
The blow towards was pretty funny though. He really he kept going. He
didn't just like light Jack Terry on fire. He kept like trying to keep
light. I know, I thought that was hysterical. I feel like the
young Bucks, like, what are you doing? The young books look like
they couldn't believe what was happening, So who hasn't got yet with their best
and worst? Besides me, I didn't watch it, so I think you
okay, well my best and worst? My best was I had to give
a shout out to the women here. Did I think that the Willow knight
Gale versus Mercedes Monette was a great match? It was good, it was
not great. However, I stand by what I said earlier in the month
that had Julia Hart not got injured not gotten injured, it would have been
Julia Hart versus Mercedes Money and its match. I do not I still don't
believe that Willow Nightingale was ever intended to be the champion. Yet, going
into this match, do you think do you think Julia Heart could have had
the match that Willow and Mercedes had. I absolutely think that Julia Heart would
have made Mercedes look better because basically, and I don't want to get into
this, but Mercedes is a very slight woman and Julia Hart is much bigger
than than Mercedes Monet. But Willow Nightingale is much bigger than Julia Hart,
and that is not a slight against Willow Nightingale because she's a beautiful woman.
But the thing that I'm saying is that having a first match in a year
against somebody that is so much bigger than you, you can't get leverage,
you know. I just think that the I think the match was intended to
be Julia Hart versus Mercedes Monet because I think that they would have been able
to work better. And I do think there would have been a better match
because I think Mercedes would have looked better and I think Julia would have had
more of the uh, she would have been able to take better bumps.
I'll just say it that way. Now, what I was saying, the
women you go to Tony storm and Serena deeb I thought that that was the
best that Tony Stormers looked to me in months, to be honest with you.
Uh, Serena Dee was having the time of her life out there.
She was smiling throughout the entire match, I mean, and I just loved
it for it and she got to be on the big stage for once,
you know, because she deserves it. And frankly speaking, thunder Rosa and
Dianna Parozzo, which was in the buy in. I did both of those
matches for me. I thought that was fantastic match, you know, and
I think that that deserved to be on the main show. I really do.
As far as the worst match in the night for me, and I
would call it the worst match, but the worst, uh most senseless match,
and that's probably the best thing. Roder Eck Strong versus Well Lostrey by
a mile. That match should have lasted the ring. The bell should have
rang. Will Ospbury should have just slapped Roderick Strong across the base. Roderick
should have felt to the ground one two three when that stupid spot happened where
frankly, I thought will Ospbury got murdered. I was pissed off, you
know, and that ruined the entire I didn't want that match to go on.
That match lasted forever, you know, and it shouldn't have. And
it was just awful. It was just awful to see. I mean,
you knew that will Ospbury was going to win the match, you know,
but it was just one of those things. In my opinion, it didn't
matter. Roderick Strong had the match of his career and will Osprey had the
match of his career and together they had the match. Upon matches, I
still would have been upset at that match because there was no reason to have
it other than to put the belt on will Osprey. It should taken fifteen
seconds, put the belt on him and go on. Frankly, the thing
lasted so long. I stood to talk, stood to listen to Adam Cole
and MGF talk a little bit. Give them ten minutes each because I just
did not want to see that match. I'm sorry, stupid batch, but
they booked it. It was a stupid batch. They should have just handed
them the belt and said, I don't want to fight you. You're too
good. Left. That's the way it felt. So let's move on to
our Dynamite preview. We've already talked about the Forbidden Door to See Gauntlet,
but let's talk about a couple of things that I think it's pretty interesting.
Well, first of all, we were just talking about Willow Knight and Galen
Mercedes Monet. After the match, Chris Statlander finally did the turn with Stokely
Hathaway. So now Chris Statlander has now been added to the heel part of
the women's roster that is just growing and growing and growing. So tomorrow night,
apparently they're going to do a segment where they ask Chris Statlander, why,
Chris why? What do you think the reason why is going to be
for the Rock? I just, you know, I think that she's tired
of living in her shadow. She's tired of not getting chances that she should.
She should be women's champ h in that race, at least in that
racket. And I think she's tired of getting disrespected, and it's time for
her to make a move move. And plus, you know, this makes
two the best friends who are now hells. So it makes sense to me
degree she First of all, she doesn't need it. She doesn't need a
manager or a mouthpiece, So her whole teaming whistorically makes no sense whatsoever.
Again, there are way too many heels. She's one of your top women
in division, and she didn't need to turn heel. I just doesn't make
any sense. If she wants to blame someone for her being where she's at
and not being somewhere else, it's her own problem self, because she's the
one that's been friends with these people and puts everybody else before them before herself.
That's on her. So I just don't see a reason why you do
that to heels take accountability for their own actions. But that's the problem.
She's not a heel or she wasn't. Yeah, like we hit that moment
with she confronted Trent right after Trent turned and then he whispered something to her.
I'm thinking that he whispered like Willows overshadowing you, exactly like Orange Cassidy's
overshadowing me. And that's gonna kind of be the reasoning for this. And
I feel like Stokely has been planning this all along. I think it does
make sense to me, Like I think Willow is a much better speaker promo
than Statlander is. She's come some ways, but I don't mind having Stokely
as someone for her to feed off of and represent her. And he's really
funny, So I think it makes sense. And I think it could be
really good for Chris Statlander and put her in like the the main events women's
scene a little bit more. But yeah, we'll see what happens. What
about you, Dutt, do you have any pinions on this? Well?
Here is a thought with Ton talking about intergender belts. Suppose it's Statlander and
Trent being very bad, and they're going to make a tag team where they're
going to harass everyone else. So they do it separately, so they're going
to do it together. And that's what I thought about when Tony was talking
about those belts, was that whispering in her ear, and you know,
both of them kind of turning against everyone that they've cared about better than them
for intergender tag teams. So that's my feeling about it. Only feeling about
it I don't understand. So Alex, I've been introduced the next segment.
I'll let you take the last two if that's okay with you, Yes,
because I want to talk about That's favorite painting, the don Callis supper painting
and Tomorrow Night, Don Kallas has announced that he's going to offer someone a
contract, du duh exactly. So here is my thoughts on that that's someone's
gonna be Trumperetta, not Orange Cassidy. There's gonna be a big portrayal,
and I think Tomorrow Night you're going to see Trumperetta and Chris Statlander, who
will betray Stokely Hathoray joined the don Kallis family. Maybe not Tomorrow Night with
Chris Statlander. But I think eventually, really soon, like by Forbidden Door,
we're going to see Chris Statlander and the Callous family just want to get
everybody. What do you think about that? I mean, do you think
that is there? Is the contract going to be offered to Orange Cassidy?
Why would Don Callous say he's offering the contract to someone and not I'm more
offering a contract to Orange Cassidy if he was or if he was off forget
the Worts cast. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, sudden because Don Kellis
isn't an idiot and wants to mess with everybody. Uh, he knows what.
He knows how to keep the he knows how to keep it something to
talk about and yeah, and that's what he's doing. He made it seem
like he's going to back Orange. I totally agree that he's gonna take Trent.
I don't know, it's it's gonna be interesting. Is there going to
be a beatdown of Orange Cassidy? Probably? But is it going to just
be the addition of people tomorrow night or is it going to be the new
look Callus family. Do you think we may get somebody subtracted tomorrow night.
I'm thinking that I'm thinking that the United Empire finally gets away and leaves Callous
tomorrow night. Maybe maybe it's time for him to do it. Anyway,
I think Forbidden Doors the perfect time because then you have New Japan guys coming
in. They can support will Osprey, possibly Kyle Fletcher and set up a
match versus the don Kallis family. Isn't there more of the he's in a
certain group, and then the group that Sabers in and some others are in
that are kind of with uh in tmd K. That's also a European group,
but it's completely different than United Empire. Yeah, that's all. See
Open and Ospray are the only three that are in that I believe. But
in New Japan, there's Jeff Cobb, there's TJ. Perkins, there's Caleb
Newman and Francesco Akira, and there may be even some other guys. Oh
great, o'con. Yeah, there's a whole bunch of guys that could come
over. Could you imagine getting all those guys and actually using that faction,
because see, that's one of the things I brought up before a while ago.
He has Tony has an issue with keeping factions that are not just in
aew together. He doesn't always like use them to the full potential that they
have. Mm hmm. I mean he did it with the with actually the
best friends, and those guys are all part of Okada's Actually they are part
of Akarda's faction that they had in New Japan. Yeah, yeah, so
they were all part of Chaos. And they actually talked about being part of
Chaos when there was sometime last year around Forbidden Door, but that's the only
time they ever really mentioned it. When they had god I can't think of
his name, Bulldog, what's his name? Yeah, when is she came
over and teamed up with them, they talked about Chaos, but it was
like for one match and that was it, and you don't really mention it
after that. So maybe there will be a yeah that's when Cassidy and Trent
became honorary members or something like that. Yeah, of chaos. I'm just
speaking of Orange cast I don't. I just hate to see I don't.
I feel like Cassidy is in the most need of a refresh out of anybody
in that group, and I think him being with Callous Callous would help him
immensely, because you know, he's at a point where he's been baby based,
so that, you know, just another betrayal would be great. It's
kind of like when Steing got betrayed all the times and stuff. He would
always bounce back, but at some point you need to change the Cassidy gimmick.
I just, in my opinion, I think don Kallas can work a
lot better off of him and make him not necessarily heal, but give him
a darker age. Yeah. I think it's interesting. I would like to
see Orange Cassidy be a heel, but I just don't see them actually doing
it. I'm imagining, you know, Orange Cassidy. Maybe he's offered the
contract, he turns it down, he gets beat down, and it leads
to some other development with the Don Kyle's family, whether it's Trench joining or
will Osprey stopping the other members from beating up Orange Cassidy. Uh. But
yeah, I just it'd be cool, But I just cannot picture him actually
being in the don Kallis family. M Alex, Yeah, I guess.
So if no one has anything else to say about the painting and the don
Kallis family and what what tomorrow will hold, I guess we can move on,
to the debut of TV Time. I don't even know what that means
with the Learning Tree Chris Jericho. I think it means when he comes on,
you're supposed to change a channel and see what's on TV. No no,
no, no, no, no no. This has been long overdue.
Jericho always has a television talk show wherever he has been, and it's
about time, it's TV Time. He's like a skinna. He'll do something
like he used to do with the he he'd have. He'll come out and
he'll come out and he may have, uh some chairs in the ring or
whatever, and I don't I don't. You know it's gonna be something different,
because they're always different. Yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna be interesting.
It'll be a little five minute talk session that ends up with him possibly
putting someone's head through something or getting power bombed or whatever. But it'll be
fun to the head. Uh uh yeah. I would love that. He's
always done good good talk talk segments. You know. I just love this
gimmick. I think people are slowly starting to see it finally been berating him
forever. I know some people in this group still bit and get it,
but uh yeah, I just enjoyed Jericho right now. He's he's eating it
up and leaning on a hard Yeah, it's delightful. I wonder if he's
gonna use this time to to do lessons or something, you know, Is
he gonna bring out different guys and try to teach them, because now he's
with Brian Keith as well as the big Big Bill. Does he come out
and try to teach them about how to win matches? Their little tips and
tricks, I don't know, be interesting the pomps and uh he gets them
all to like sit around him like it's like a kindergarten class. Yeah.
I mean up until he started doing this uhree thing, I was totally into
the Chris jerk oh Marmie character. As soon as he started with the Larning
three totally, I totally lost interest in it. And and this is literally
going to be the time where I will probably switch over and see what's going
on in hockey. So yeah, this is not going to be a ratings
winner for me on my part. Well, hopefully you're not a Nielsen family
and your own impact anything you I am. That is why I always turn
off Eddie Kingston because I don't want to go back ass ready. I don't
know if you're led the publicly disclosed that you are. You can't, Yes,
you can't, Okay, I am in my household is a niece Nielsen
household, and we turn the channel when something's on that we don't want to
so, hey, you know, thank god, I'm not in the eighteen
to forty nine demographic. The key demographic is not me. You have the
power. I'm twelve zero. I guess we have. We have one last
match to talk about. It's w'erv Strickland versus the Dragon, and by Dragon
I mean Bill Switch formerly Lucasaurus in a House of the Dragon match. I
don't know if this is a championship eliminator match, a title match. I
am assuming just nothing match. It's a grudge match, okay, uh yeah.
It's a little interesting because does this mean that we're continuing some form of
swerve versus the patriarchy, maybe just to tide things over until forbidden door.
I wonder which punish meant from the elite the e VPS for winning and beating
them, but they're gonna yet again send uh another guy after just this show.
But when you get involved in the matches, you know, I think
this is more of a retribution for for Swore to go after people who are
within the patriarchy because he's he's fought everybody except Mama Wayane so far, so
might as well. I would like to see that match sort versus Mama Wayne,
if we're talking inter gender matches. He's pretty big. He's probably got
a few inches on s. Yeah, I think this should be an interesting
match. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I mean, I'm not
looking for I can't call him kill Switch. I'm not looking for Lucasaurus to
win this match, but it should be a fairly entertaining match, especially if
they have Christian and Nick Wayne and Mama Wayne and stairs and all kinds of
stuff out there. Low blow glore. Yeah, you know, hockey sticks
get hit by a Kia, spiky shoes up dragon the forums. So you
gotta gotta do some advertising. So just have where we get run over by
a Kia just before it hits where Darby Allen will dive in front of the
car so he gets hit first. Have a zamboni in there too, run
into the sand and get hit. That's what Samyabar is known for, getting
hit by vehicles. Oh yeah. Yeah. Jeez, well, does anybody
have like kill switch in this match when he's in the match, But is
he gonna win it? I don't know, maybe we can call it Brene
ask him, Yeah, kill Switch is gonna win because he has to win
because it's his time and it's not for the title, So give him a
chance. Oh God, kilosaurs kill Asaurus or to switch to switch? Okay,
just a good weird The one question that we did not bring up that
they kind of left in the air after the show on Sunday was where did
the EVPs go from here? Oh that's a good question. I mean they
didn't. They won, They did what they wanted to do, but then
they just kind of left it with no clear path ahead. Yeah. It's
interesting because, like, really the one person that they've been feuding with outside
of FTR and Danielson has kind of been Swerve. It's hard to see how
that lines up with Forbidden Door coming. But maybe maybe that opens the path
for ye like a Gabe kid to be directed by the Elite to kill Swear
and take him out. Yeah that's a good idea. I mean I can
see m JF getting involved because he you know, he got that brand new
tattoo, and he said, he's uh all in for a W and he's
he's the face just alongside Swore, you know, swerve offspray and then together.
I really think all the face of the a W and m j F
and Swerve together would be a pretty cool combination. I think, how about
that. The thing is that that tattoo was gorgeous, not to Keshta gorgeous,
but gorgeous. I think Secsta Gordon the day to Kestia's birthday is it.
I think it is. I hope somebody sent up a Citabon. Oh
man, Well, I don't think he got kicked out. It's just that,
you know, he ate it way too much. I mean, when
he came to America full time, it was like he looked out his Twitter
and it was like nobody, no winners of Citabon and Seattle were wherever town
that they were in. It was hysterical. It's all he wanted was Citabon.
When he turned heels, Cinnabon banned him, remember, and they put
his picture up in the windows. Press passed wow. Yeah, yeah,
so he's he's banned from Cinnabon's I could see that as a bit on being
the elite. Oh my god, started him in the car outside of the
local cente boss and the someone in to get him something and bring it out
the window. Do we need to get exposure? We need MG have to
be the host of Saturday Night Saturday Night Live. You would be great,
Yeah, censored show. What's what's musical guests? Will Osprey? Yeah?
Uh, what's the playing the recorder? There you go, what's the what's
the name of oh ship but the Blades or Butcher's band? That could be
musical guests there you go? Or Brodie or something like that. Or they
could combine Bertie King, Bertie King's, the Butchers and Jericho's put them all
together and make a It'll be uh with the learning turn and call himself.
There you go. Well, well, anyway, that's gonna be the show.
That's ignition for tonight. We'll be back tomorrow night. With all the
talk. I have a feeling we gonna have a lot to talk about tomorrow
night, and I think it's gonna be a pretty fun show. Regardless of
what Chris Jericho tries to say. That'll be the highlight. Why is that?
Why you know? I'm just looking forward to see if there's somebody new
one painting. It's gonna be something. And Alex we may get to see
at Sarah tomorrow night too. Yeah, that would be awesome. Oh god,
we'll just talk about that for an hour to Yeah, we'll talk about
that. You know, that'll be moist anyway. Anyway, thanks for listening,
guys, Thanks to the podcast team. Uh this is Kelson, I
have a voice. Night. Goodbye, everybody in that yo