1 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:33,079 Tonight's guest is Kirk Read Kirk, Welcome to the show. Thank you, 2 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,719 Rick, it's good to be here. What's great having you. Thank you 3 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,359 for your time. Kirk, Please give us a brief bio on yourself. 4 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Well, sixty four year old welding engineer, was exposed to cryptids at eighteen 5 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,200 years old with a sighting of a big boot and been researching into the cryptids 6 00:01:57,719 --> 00:02:06,519 ever since and have had many encounters. The deeper I dig into them, 7 00:02:07,079 --> 00:02:13,800 the more different types of cryptids it seems that there are. But a lot 8 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,759 of my encounters have been with dog men. It's funny how that works. 9 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:23,039 It's a lot like an onion once you start peeling back layers. You know 10 00:02:23,159 --> 00:02:28,400 that is. And you mentioned your occupation for the people who are complaining about 11 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:32,319 that best of episode. Last Friday night. I had an interview scheduled with 12 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,479 Kirk that I was going to hear last Friday, but unfortunately had a mishabit 13 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:44,680 work. What happened to you, Kirk? Well, unfortunately I was having 14 00:02:44,719 --> 00:02:51,599 to take a part out of a large industrial grinder. I had an inch 15 00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:58,000 and fifteen sixteenth wrench which is about nad a little over two foot long, 16 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:05,039 and instead of wishing the wrench to loosen the bolt, I had to pull 17 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,199 against it. I had a lot of pressure on it. The wrench slipped 18 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,159 off, came back, hit me in the jaw, knock two of my 19 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:19,120 teeth out. I actually swallowed one of them and fractured my jaw. Oh 20 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,080 no, how's your recovery? Well, I'm still sore, but it's getting 21 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:30,199 better. Well, Thank goodness for that Holy cow. All things considered, 22 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:37,080 how dangerous do you think dogman are? Kirk? I think they get, 23 00:03:37,159 --> 00:03:44,560 to some extent a bad rap. But let's face it, anything that has 24 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:51,639 teeth and has claws can be a killer. Would I want to go up 25 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:58,479 against one now? Not really. I've had one within two and a half 26 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,560 foot of me, maybe you put at the most. It growled at me, 27 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:11,000 but then it turned around and ran away, so it could have easily 28 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,920 killed me right then, had it wanted to. I'm not saying that these 29 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:25,000 things are something you said around a campfire, saying kumbayyah with It's good to 30 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:32,199 have a healthy respect for them, but I don't think that they are as 31 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:42,079 dangerous as people make them out to be. There not the werewolf for the 32 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,879 most part, that people associate with them. I couldn't agree more with everything 33 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,639 you said. For some reason, people listen to the show and they get 34 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,959 this impression that I think you can see kumbaya with them and hang out with 35 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,439 them and everything will be fine. I'm never going to tell any witness that 36 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,360 dog me and are safe to be around. I just bring light to the 37 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:06,160 fact that when this witness had an encounter where a dog man was one step 38 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:11,920 away from them, allow that person to leave without a scratch. This eyewitness 39 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,079 over here has something very similar happened, where the dog man had them dead 40 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:20,480 rights, terrified them, but never harm them. I'll tell of those eyewitnesses. 41 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:25,920 Yes, that dog man he had to dead rights, but he proved 42 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,800 with his own actions that he didn't want to hurt you. That's not to 43 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:33,360 say that all dogmen are that way. That is exactly right. I've got 44 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:36,600 no doubts there ah dogmen out there that are just dangerous as all get out 45 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,199 to be around. I'm never going to say that's not the case. But 46 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,879 unfortunately, there are quite a few people who listen to the show that have 47 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,560 got that twisted for some reason. So I just wanted to put that out 48 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:53,759 there. You put a lot of research into the query. Goodsy murder Kirk. 49 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,360 For the people who don't know about that case, please talk us through 50 00:05:57,439 --> 00:06:01,720 that in any opinions you might have on one happened and well Corey gats He 51 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:10,839 was a thirteen and a half year old boy down in Kentucky just south of 52 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:19,000 Hazzard, Kentucky slightly and he went into his bedroom one day to do his 53 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:25,240 homework when the mother called him for dinner. On behold, he wasn't. 54 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:38,399 There was called dispatch cars to look for him, which was a very odd 55 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:46,360 thing that they would dispatch cars so easily, so quickly. But the law 56 00:06:46,519 --> 00:06:55,439 enforcement, the first responders all searched for him, could not find him. 57 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:02,000 The next day they actually researched on the same area that they did, and 58 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:10,160 they found him about a quarter mile behind his house up the hill, dead, 59 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:21,360 partially consumed his stomach and his intestinal area was where the attack, shall 60 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:32,160 we say, was concentrated. For lack of a better term, they defined 61 00:07:32,199 --> 00:07:42,800 it as canine injuries. The sure, I'm sorry, the police chief of 62 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:49,639 the town actually said that it was a pack of wild dogs. They caught 63 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:56,439 five quote wild dogs and had him put down right away without testing them. 64 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,199 One dog was a French bulled which was thirteen pounds. There were two Corgis 65 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:09,600 which were each about twenty one to twenty two pounds. There was a standard 66 00:08:09,639 --> 00:08:16,680 poodle that weighed almost forty pounds, and then there was a Labrador retriever which 67 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:22,959 was a sixty pound animal. All of them are a good natured breed, 68 00:08:24,199 --> 00:08:28,879 and all of them appeared to be good natured dogs when they captured them. 69 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:35,799 But yet those are the animals that were blamed on a supposedly drug Cory up 70 00:08:35,879 --> 00:08:43,399 the side of this hill a quarter mile and I was there. I walked 71 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:48,639 up the hill. Don't get me wrong, It's not an easy walk, 72 00:08:50,320 --> 00:09:01,840 but it would be an impossibility for all five of those dogs bind to drag 73 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:09,039 Cory up that hill. They just would not have the strength required. And 74 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:15,840 on top of that, there were no drag marks at all. It was 75 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:22,440 as if something carried him up there. And as I say, he was 76 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:26,080 not found the day that he disappeared. He was not found till the next 77 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:33,000 day in the area that they had already searched. So where he was between 78 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,919 the initial search and the second search when they located the body is totally beyond 79 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:46,279 me. Outside of his bedroom window, and the bedroom window was open. 80 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:54,200 There were large kanine prints seen. When I say large, they were approximately 81 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:01,399 six inches in diameter, which puts it out of the realm of being any 82 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:07,000 domesticated dog, puts it out of the realm of being any normal wolf. 83 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:13,399 So with that being said, there's pretty much only one thing that leaves a 84 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,360 canine print that size, and that would be a dog man. Can you 85 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:24,960 imagine what that poor kid went through? Wow, I can't even imagine it. 86 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:31,600 The fear and him had to be just astronomical. And then he was 87 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:39,600 consumed alive. They determined he was still alive during the attack on his midsection 88 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:48,279 and his intestines being eaten horrible. Doesn't do a justice poor kid. Yeah. 89 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:52,000 I remember when that happened and all the buzz about that when had happened. 90 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:54,840 But sure it didn't take free long before the buzz died off. I 91 00:10:54,919 --> 00:11:01,440 wonder if it was intentionally hushed or it was natural. Nope, I was 92 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:05,200 actually when I was down there poking into things, digging around, I was 93 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:13,960 actually unofficially escorted out of the city by a police officer. I was told 94 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,399 there was nothing there to see, nothing there to find, that they had 95 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:22,320 taken care of everything, and that they don't take kindly to people know in 96 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:28,320 their own but I can tell you this, to this day, they are 97 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:35,600 still picking up any dog that they deem as astray and destroying immediately. And 98 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:43,159 the reason I actually started looking into the Godsy case, I was somewhat aware 99 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:52,879 of it, but a lady called me from the dog pound and she wanted 100 00:11:52,919 --> 00:12:01,519 me to look into this and see if I could potentially proved that it was 101 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:09,200 not stray dogs because they were killing all these dogs unjustly. And when I 102 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:15,159 found out about all the dogs that had been killed, even after those five 103 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,840 dogs, that's when I decided that there had to be a lot more to 104 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,960 it, and so I took a trip down there and spent four and a 105 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:31,200 half days. You're not easy to deter, that's for sure, and that's 106 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:37,559 admirable. You started researching cryptids in nineteen seventy seven after a bigfoot sighting you 107 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:41,840 had. Recently, we're recorded an episode of My Bigfoot Sighting where you talked 108 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,720 about that sighting as well as other big foot sightings you've had. On that 109 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:48,120 show, Kirk talks about that first sighting as well as any country he had 110 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,919 with a juvenile They grabbed him by his ankle and gave him injuries that he 111 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,679 still suffers from present day. That episode of My Bigfoot Sighting's going to drop 112 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,759 tonight at the same time this episode of dog Me Encounters did. If you'd 113 00:13:01,759 --> 00:13:05,360 like to check out that episode, please go to the description for tonight showing 114 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,840 you'll find a link to it. You know two boys who killed a dog 115 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:13,120 mean in twenty twelve, Kirk, What did they tell you about how their 116 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:20,960 experience played out? Well, they were actually out deer hunting before deer season. 117 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,840 They were going to what we called jack a dare, which means pocha 118 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:33,879 dare, simply because they were both from poor families, they were out on 119 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,559 ATVs. One was armed with a eleven hundred shotgun, which is a semi 120 00:13:39,639 --> 00:13:45,120 itematic. The other was armed with a eight seventy shotgun, which is a 121 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:52,639 pump. They went at night, about one thirty in the morning to a 122 00:13:52,840 --> 00:14:00,279 field where they knew dere were known to grays, and they parked their ats. 123 00:14:00,519 --> 00:14:03,919 They got off them, they started to walk into the field because they 124 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:11,120 saw eyes. They were going to sneak up on these deer and see if 125 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:18,720 they couldn't get a couple as they started to sneak up on the deer. 126 00:14:18,799 --> 00:14:24,960 The one decided he would use a spotlight on him. And a lot of 127 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,320 times, if you hit a deer with a spotlight, it'll just freeze and 128 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:35,840 stand there for a minute. You have a very easy time getting a shot 129 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:43,320 off. That's why spotlighting deer is illegal. But when he shined the spotlight 130 00:14:43,399 --> 00:14:48,279 on it, lo and behold, it wasn't a deer. It was about 131 00:14:48,399 --> 00:14:54,559 eight and a half to nine foot tall dog man and it started to charge 132 00:14:54,600 --> 00:15:03,240 at him. When it got within a about eighty yards of them, they 133 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:11,360 both started firing at it. They expended a total of thirteen rounds of deer 134 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:20,879 slugs. They hit it eight times before it finally was down, and it 135 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:28,440 literally fell the last two shots they put in it. It was less than 136 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:35,720 fifteen foot away from them. Now they went back to town. They got 137 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:43,720 a buddy of theirs after some coaxing and convincing that they actually had just killed 138 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:50,679 a monster and if he would take his four wheel drive truck with the wench 139 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:56,360 out there and retrieve the body, they could all be millionaires. When they 140 00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:03,919 got out there to retrieve the body, five black subs followed them in and 141 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:10,799 they were from the government. They told them, took each one into a 142 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:15,559 sub separately, read them the Riot Act, told them they were going to 143 00:16:15,639 --> 00:16:18,600 put them in jail. They were going to put their families in jail, 144 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:23,279 they were gonna take their hunting rights forever, they were going to just everything 145 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:29,320 you can imagine to terrorize a seventeen year old kid. It makes you wonder 146 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,080 what was more traumatic for them, having that eight to nine foot tall dog 147 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,159 men charging them, or what followed after with the suits. Well, quite 148 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:45,879 frankly, when I talked to the one, the other one ended up odeing. 149 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:52,720 But every time I talked to the one, he brings up the black 150 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:57,840 subs more than he does the dog man. And as he says, it's 151 00:16:57,919 --> 00:17:07,559 not some much that it was traumatizing, that it absolutely made him so mad 152 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:15,920 he could spit nails. That the government knows about these the government was able 153 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:25,799 to respond, and the government will not tell people about him. And as 154 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:32,880 he always brings up the question, we told nobody, how did they know? 155 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,720 And it's a valid question. That is a valid question. A lot 156 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:42,359 of people propose the idea that maybe these guys have chips in them, and 157 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,759 when they're killed, maybe some hollow signals sent out. It does make you 158 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:52,480 wonder, and I've thought the same thing at times. I mean, I'm 159 00:17:52,519 --> 00:17:57,799 not sure, but I can tell you also that dog men have been around 160 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:04,920 four thousands a year, so they're not anything new. So I would have 161 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:11,720 to assume or guess, shall we say that the ones that have chips in 162 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:18,440 them, of course, are ones that our government has altered or possibly even 163 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:26,519 raised. And then there's always the dogmen that you find out in the wilderness, 164 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:33,400 shall we call it? That is just a normal dog man. Now, 165 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,240 which one of the two is the most dangerous? I don't know. 166 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,000 You raise some really good points. It cracks me up when people pose the 167 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:47,039 idea of the dogmen or just something that's been created in the test tube, 168 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,839 and that explains a whole phenomenon. But like I said, they've been around 169 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:56,759 so much longer than we've had the technology to come close to genetically splice DNA 170 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,400 and do what would be required to actually produce aged men in a laboratory. 171 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:06,000 So yeah, I think there are two different directions we're talking about here. 172 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,799 You've got the dog men that have been around the whole time, and then 173 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,319 you probably do have some that are straight out of a test tube. Yep. 174 00:19:15,799 --> 00:19:22,640 And that's truthfully exactly what I believe. The very sad fact is when 175 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,680 you do see one, you don't know what it is. Yeah, that's 176 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,000 a good point. In nineteen eighty two, you heard about the werewolf of 177 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,279 London, Ohio. Kirk, How do you hear about it? And what 178 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:38,839 can you tell us about it? Okay? The Werewolf of London, Ohio 179 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:48,359 was said to be a werewolf that was stalking the local area. London, 180 00:19:48,400 --> 00:20:00,079 Ohio is kind of southwestern Ohio, somewhere down around Dayton. Anyways, I 181 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:10,119 had heard about it because the quote werewolf who they said was the werewolf actually 182 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:18,440 died and then the werewolf disappeared after this man died. Well, I was 183 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,599 at that point in time still trying to wrap my head around the big foot 184 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:30,599 thing. And I actually had read an article, just small article, and 185 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,640 I want to say, the Cleveland Press or Cleveland play Deal or one of 186 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,880 those two papers, and I figured, I'm all go down there and talk 187 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:49,400 to the people, see if what I saw matches what they saw. I 188 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:56,799 don't think this was a werewolf I saw, but maybe it is. So 189 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,640 that was in the late fall that I encountered that newspaper article, and in 190 00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:10,480 the spring of eighty three is when I went down there and I talked to 191 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:17,759 people. Some people did not want to talk. Some people said that they 192 00:21:17,799 --> 00:21:22,799 didn't believe it. I did get to talk to half a dozen people that 193 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:33,599 actually had seen it, and I had talked to the owner of the gas 194 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:41,240 station that the guy worked at that they blamed for being the werewolf. All 195 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:48,920 the owner of the gas station could say it was well, the man showed 196 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,319 up one day wanting a job. I had an opening, so I hired 197 00:21:53,400 --> 00:22:00,640 him. That he really didn't like to be around any people, and that 198 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:07,279 we'd do enough business with tires, tire repairs and such that I was able 199 00:22:07,319 --> 00:22:11,960 to keep him back in the mechanics shop just fixing tires and such. I 200 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:17,000 didn't have to pay him a lot. Don't know where he lived. He 201 00:22:17,079 --> 00:22:21,359 would walk to work, he'd be here when we got here, and he 202 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,599 would walk home. We've offered him rides, he would never accept him. 203 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:34,200 And everybody that I talked to that actually saw the werewolf in the werewolf form, 204 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:41,839 there was no doubt it was a dog man was not what I had 205 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:48,400 seen that, like I said, I ended up finding out was sasquatch, 206 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:53,599 bigfoot, whatever you want to call it. So that was the start of 207 00:22:53,640 --> 00:23:00,839 the second crypto. Now I had to research, and you know it's hard 208 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:07,440 enough researching one trying to concentrate on it. Now you've got your interests peeked 209 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,920 down a second one, and you can't let go of the first one. 210 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:21,839 So now you spend twice as much time doing it. Yeah, it's shall 211 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:33,920 we say addictive, Maybe you want that knowledge. But the the house that 212 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:41,200 George the werewolf lived in, and now I'm gonna call him George because I 213 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:48,160 really don't remember his name, but the house that he lived and had one 214 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:52,400 room in it that was actually lined with five eight six steel plate, the 215 00:23:52,599 --> 00:24:02,799 entire room. Now, the police, when they went to a shall we 216 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,440 call it well being, check on this man because he had not shown up 217 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,960 for work for a few days and they had an idea where he lived. 218 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:15,160 When they found the house and went in and they found him in there, 219 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:22,759 they also found the room there were scratches, deep scratches in that solid steel 220 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:30,599 plate that could not quote be made by any animal. So it seems like 221 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:42,519 somebody was actually helping this man and was trying to control him when he would 222 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,480 change into the werewolf. They seemed to have been locking him in this room, 223 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:52,599 and the scratches were made by him trying to get out of the room. 224 00:24:52,599 --> 00:25:03,200 But nobody ever knew who the Oprah was, although I did get a 225 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:10,359 very good description of a red haired lady. Never could find her for sure, 226 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,720 But and of course when he died, she disappeared. Thank goodness for 227 00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:19,440 that room. Huh. It does make you wonder if there ever any knights 228 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,160 when maybe he was out when he transformed. I hope that's not the keys, 229 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:30,319 but you never know. Well, there's without a doubt, there's nights 230 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:38,279 that he was out. He was actually tracked back to this house by a 231 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:45,279 neighbor that lived about a mile and a half away that he would, as 232 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:52,279 a werewolf, be over basically terrorizing him, and they tracked his tracks right 233 00:25:52,319 --> 00:26:00,559 back to this house. And that actually was how the police knew where this 234 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,039 house was to go do the wellbeing check. That's right, Yeah, The 235 00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:10,839 couple's names were Keith and Diane, if I remember correctly, Yeah, I 236 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,759 believe you do. Can you imagine how bad it would be to have a 237 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:19,039 werewolf lurking around your property like that dogment or bad enough? But to actually 238 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:25,680 have a bonified werewolf. That's not good. Yeah, exactly. If you've 239 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,400 had a dog Meant encounter, would like to speak with me about it, 240 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,519 whether I'm private or on this show, please go to dog Meant Encounters dot 241 00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:36,599 com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like 242 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,880 to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go to 243 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,480 my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. All right, Kurt, 244 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:48,319 please tell us about your own encounters. Now give us several less detail that 245 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:56,079 comes to mind. No, okay. My very first dog man encounter I 246 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:04,519 had got a new two was an eight jeep Liberty. Was exactly perfect what 247 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:11,920 I wanted. I took it over right after picking it up and went over 248 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:19,039 to my buddy's house to show him. As I'm over there, he has 249 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:26,519 a very long driveway. It's about a hundred yards long. It is only 250 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:32,359 one lane wide. There is no place to turn around, so if you 251 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,759 pull in the driveway you have to back back out. As you're backing out, 252 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:45,240 there are woods to the left of you and a big open field to 253 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:53,519 the right of you. So after I got done showing off my new ride, 254 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,440 I was backing out and in the trees, I kind of catch a 255 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,480 glimpse of something moving. Didn't think anything of it. Thought it was a 256 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:11,640 deer. We have plenty of deer here in Pennsylvania, so I just I 257 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:18,279 continued backing out. As I get to the end of the driveway, I 258 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:26,720 cut my wheels to go out onto the road, stop, start to throw 259 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:37,119 the car and drive, and lightning quick, this thing comes and literally jumped 260 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:45,880 across the hood of that jeep, landed right beside the driver's door of it. 261 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:52,799 I'm sitting there with the window down. Its face is looking in at 262 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,960 me about two and a half maybe three foot away. It kind of growls 263 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:04,599 and shows its teeth, and I'm just absolutely frozen. I'm not knowing what 264 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,400 to do. Do you know the smart thing to do would have been throat 265 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,920 and driving, stump on the throttle, But at that point in time, 266 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,039 you know, I'm not even knowing what to do. Like I said, 267 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:26,519 it shows its teeth, kind of growls, turns, takes two steps. 268 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:32,799 The first step was across the road onto the embankment. The second step was 269 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,799 up the embankment to the top of it, and then it just jumped and 270 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:47,079 it was back into the woods and there I am still just sitting there trying 271 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,160 to trying to figure out what just happened. You know, how do you 272 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:59,440 press something like that? So that was my absolute first face to face with 273 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:11,119 a dog man. So now after the sasquatch finding out about the werewolf of 274 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:17,839 London, Ohio, now after seeing a dog man for myself in person so 275 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,519 close I could have reached out and touched and I could feel his breath against 276 00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:27,519 me. I will never forget to smell out his breath. But that's regardless. 277 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:32,240 So now that just gives me more. I've got to search more. 278 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:40,599 I've got to look into start really going out doing research. Over the years, 279 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:49,119 I've had several different partners that were research partners with me. The second 280 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:59,559 encounter happened down in Braxton County, West Virginia. As Men. The guy 281 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:10,000 that was with me, we were walking into this one holler and literally we 282 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:19,079 heard a growl. And when I say a growl, it sounded exactly like 283 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:30,720 a dog, only like through a megaphone amplified a hundred times. I mean, 284 00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:37,880 the lung power on it had to be astronomical. That one. We 285 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:45,559 were We were in a way fortunate because we didn't have an encounter as per 286 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:52,680 se other than the growl, and that was a very good thing, because 287 00:31:53,519 --> 00:32:00,680 as nasty as the growl sounded, I probably would not have wanted to run 288 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:10,960 into that one. I'm moving forward. I was at a location about thirty 289 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:23,039 miles from my house and slightly northern Pennsylvania. Was out there scouting for deer 290 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:34,039 hunting areas, had permission from the property owner. I was walking down this 291 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:45,160 one trail. Up in front of me about seventy five there lays a gray 292 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:52,839 wolf. I'm thinking, and I mean very large gray wolf, which shouldn't 293 00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:01,920 be here in Pennsylvania. So of course I froze in my tracks and I 294 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,119 was unarmed, had a knife on me. That was about it. Because 295 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,680 it wasn't a hunting season yet or anything, and I was not expecting anything 296 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:20,079 to be out there. So I figure, okay, I'm just gonna back 297 00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:24,759 away slowly, you know, I don't want to do the flight thing and 298 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:32,799 then become prey. So I start back away and this thing gets up on 299 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,319 all fours like a normal wolf, like it's gonna you know, I'm thinking, 300 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,839 maybe it's gonna come at me, or maybe I'm gonna be lucky. 301 00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:45,359 And it's gonna head the other way. Well, then from four legs it 302 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:52,440 stands up to two turns, and thank god it walked away from instead of 303 00:33:52,480 --> 00:34:00,720 at me. And there again, as soon as it started walking away, 304 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,119 I started running. You know, there is no valor when there's no reason 305 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:14,679 to try to challenge one. If you can get away from it, you're 306 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:30,239 best off. Now. Probably one of the scariest ones, and not just 307 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:37,599 for me, but for the dog man. Also just happened a couple of 308 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,519 years ago, maybe four or five years ago. Man a very good friend, 309 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:49,039 Hank, he was a researcher with me, actually helped found Northeast Crypted 310 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:57,800 Investigations. We were down at one of our standard investigating areas. It was 311 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:06,119 a cool, rainy day. Not much was going on, so we had 312 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:10,000 brought our four wheelers with us and we decided we'd go out for a little 313 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:20,239 ride. Well, Hank does like to drink beer, and that's not a 314 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:28,679 good thing usually riding a four wheeler and drinking beer. But he was well. 315 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:35,280 When we get back to camp, it's approximately nine thirty ten o'clock maybe 316 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:45,320 a little later. The fires went out, So we had brought two five 317 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:52,280 gallon cans of gasoline for the four wheelers and a five gallon can of diesel 318 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,840 fuel to use to start the fires with. Well, as I say, 319 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,840 Hankhead had a few too many beers, I guess, and instead of grabbing 320 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,960 the can of diesel fuel, he grabbed a gas can and poured about three 321 00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:16,440 gallons of gasoline on what was going to become the fire, and then let 322 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:22,360 it while it blew up. We had flames shooting thirty thirty five ft in 323 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:29,239 the air. There was a very large clump of weeds just off to the 324 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:36,400 would have been would have been my left, his right, but there was 325 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:43,039 the large clump of weeds. When this fire blew up, a dog man 326 00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:49,719 jumped up on two legs that was hiding behind this clump of weeds and took 327 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:59,880 off running, snapping four inch diameter branches off of the trees as it ran 328 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:07,559 up the hillside through woods. We really did not want to follow it because 329 00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:15,960 it was dark. Didn't follow it as per se. We went up, 330 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:22,760 looked a little bit, says okay, it's gone. We didn't get any 331 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,400 sleep that night to speak of, even though we took turns, you know, 332 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,800 each one staying alike to be on guard. And let the other one 333 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,960 sleep still when it was your turn to sleep, you didn't sleep in the 334 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:45,599 morning when it was daylight. Then we actually went and saw what kind of 335 00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:52,599 damage it was able to do. And the one that sticks out in my 336 00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:59,400 mind the most as a fact, there was a black walnut tree that had 337 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:05,639 a our inch diameter branch at about six and a half foot off the ground, 338 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,000 and this thing snapped that off like it was a twig when it ran 339 00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:19,679 through the amount of power it would have taken to snap a four inch branch 340 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:28,920 off a black walnut, it's unfathomable that a human could do it. And 341 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:35,760 like I said, you know, we both saw clear as day that this 342 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,519 was no human. This was a dog man. It was probably seven and 343 00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:51,920 a half tight foot tall. I have had maybe four or five others, 344 00:38:52,159 --> 00:39:00,719 but they've just been shall we say, minor sightings. Were holl be out 345 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:07,519 in the woods and you can hear something and you just catch a glimpse of 346 00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:15,239 it that it's trailing you, but you really don't have an encounter. The 347 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:21,480 other real good encounter was I had a guest researcher out of Ohio down a 348 00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:27,920 couple of years ago who thought she wanted to see a dog man. Thought 349 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,440 she was ready to see a dog man. She was on the back of 350 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,559 my four wheeler. We were going to get cigarettes because her and her fiance 351 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:45,880 hadn't brought any cigarettes, even though they smoke. So there was a very 352 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:53,800 old barn right beside the trail we were going down. The door was not 353 00:39:55,239 --> 00:40:00,840 what you would call open, not really off. The door was kind of 354 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,000 hanging. It was one of those sliding doors, and it was kind of 355 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,840 hanging. One hinge was on. One hinge was off to where the door 356 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:16,760 would only maybe open about seven or eight foot instead of the probably fifteen foot 357 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:23,679 that it did. And because of the type of trail it was and where 358 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,920 we were, we were only going maybe maybe fifteen mile an hour. I 359 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:37,119 am the type that I'm always looking around. I keep my head on a 360 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:42,199 swivel, shall we say, as I am out and about, because you 361 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,159 never know what you're going to see. And this guest researcher she was doing 362 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:53,199 the same. As we come up to this barn. Long behold, this 363 00:40:53,320 --> 00:41:00,039 barn's only fifteen foot from the edge of the trail, and there is a 364 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:05,519 big black dog man and ready to pounce on us. Because we were on 365 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,880 the four wheeler. I hit the gas as hard as it would go. 366 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,440 We got out of there. That was fortunate that, like I say, 367 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:24,920 it was ready to pounce and I was not ready to be dinner. But 368 00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:30,840 I believe that might have been what it had in mind. And there again 369 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,239 it may have been a bluff charge, but it did come out after us. 370 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,360 Like I say, I had to throw a line of that or wheeler 371 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:45,679 just as hard as I could, and we actually got up to about sixty 372 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:52,039 two mile an hour getting away from it, and until we were above about 373 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:57,840 forty mile an hour, it was still catching us. If that isn't a 374 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,480 brown shorts moment, I don't know what is. Yeah, exactly, Well, 375 00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:07,480 for the guest researcher, it was definitely a wet shorts moment. Oh 376 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:13,639 no, I believe it, and rightfully so, yep, yeah, I 377 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:20,079 mean that particular one. I can't say it wasn't a bluff charge, but 378 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,000 you know we were already by it. It would have had no reason to 379 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:29,920 do a bluff charge to us. That's why I don't believe it had any 380 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,039 good intentions. In my opinion, if it really wanted you, it could 381 00:42:35,039 --> 00:42:37,000 have very easily allowed you to go past, even it could have come up 382 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:40,000 behind you, or you never would have had a chance to make a round 383 00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:45,239 for it in the first place. But that's just my opinion, right, 384 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,079 and that's the possibility too. We'll never know that one way or another, 385 00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:54,199 for sure. That's a good point. When that dog me and Luke Duke 386 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,840 did across the hood of your liberty, did it cause any damage? Now? 387 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:06,239 It cleared the hood completely? I mean literally. Do you remember that 388 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,440 old show The six million Dollar Man? Oh? Yeah, I used to 389 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:16,079 watch it all the time. Okay, Well, the way it jumped was 390 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:22,719 almost the way the six million Dollar Man jumped. I mean it just massive 391 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:29,400 leg strength, and it cleared the top of the hood of the jeep by 392 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:35,920 probably a good two and a half foot easily. And surprisingly the way it 393 00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:44,199 landed it was not awkward. It did not stumble when it landed. Its 394 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:51,639 feet were perfectly just. I guess you'd say a perfect landing. How tall 395 00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:55,039 would you say that one was? That was good seven and a half foot? 396 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,880 You know, at times, looking back at question was it really that 397 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:07,760 big? And then at times I stopped and think, well, when it 398 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:15,400 turned and bounded away, you know, it stood up and literally the jeep 399 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:24,800 is pretty tall and basically from the armpits up was above the rope of the 400 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:30,239 jeep. So it probably was about seven seven and a half. N Oh, 401 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,679 yeah, well more can you tell us about its appearance? Its appearance, 402 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:45,000 it was a very dark brown, not solid colored, shall we say. 403 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:52,159 It had some splotchiness to it where it almost looked like the fur was 404 00:44:52,280 --> 00:45:00,360 thinner in some areas some other almost as if you could see skin through the 405 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,679 fur, like maybe it had mange or something, or like it had been 406 00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:13,639 fighting with something and lost some fur. Arms were very long. It had 407 00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:27,239 not really hands, but hands kind of like a raccoon's. It's hair. 408 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,079 It sunk. Let me put a tea like that it's hair. And some 409 00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:43,960 spots were matted. In some spots we're not matted, like it really could 410 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,960 have used a good trip to a dog grill murder. Shall we say? 411 00:45:51,599 --> 00:46:00,679 It had pretty big upper body. Its waist was narrow for the size of 412 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:08,599 its shoulders. Its legs were bent what we call it backwards bend like a 413 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:21,400 dog's leg is. And you know it just it was puzzling. Well, 414 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,119 I'm sure it was. What did you know this about its teeth? Though? 415 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,960 There were lots of them. They seemed to be very large, and 416 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:40,440 they were very pointy, not like a dog's teeth. It okay, a 417 00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:52,679 dog has basically the two canines top and bottom, while this had four upper 418 00:46:52,800 --> 00:47:01,639 canines. And to me that was you shall always say, just that much 419 00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:09,679 more scary because that takes it kind of out of being well, let's just 420 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:15,400 say you don't know what it is. But on other hand, looking back 421 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,760 at it and thinking about other things as teeth very much did mimic what a 422 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:27,840 coyote's teeth are like, only a whole lot larger. Yeah, I'm sure 423 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,639 that's the site you're never going to forget. Do you think all dogmen are 424 00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:37,039 flesh and blood creatures or do you think some might be supernatural beings. I 425 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:44,440 think all dog men are flesh and blood creatures. Now, with that being 426 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:50,519 said, I'm not going to say that a dogman and a werewolf are the 427 00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:58,920 same thing, because I don't think they are, and an actual werewolf I 428 00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:07,280 believe as a ape shifter. The Native Americans believe that, and because of 429 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,039 the fact I am part Native American, you know, I have to go 430 00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:16,920 along with their beliefs for the simple fact that they've dealt with these things for 431 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:23,199 thousands of years. Native Americans know so much more about dog men, sasquatch 432 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,559 you name with them, we're ever going to know. So they've forgotten more 433 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,840 than we're ever going to know about them. Oh, exactly right. Do 434 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,480 you think dog men are responsible for most of the missing person cases? Kirk? 435 00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:45,119 I wouldn't say most of them. I would say dog man account for 436 00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:51,000 a portion of them. I believe sasquatch accounts for a portion of them. 437 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:58,079 And there's other things out there that we've seen that I don't even know what 438 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,559 they are, and I would have to assume they account for a portion. 439 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:12,639 And there again, on some of the missing persons cases, I believe that 440 00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:17,719 they may be criminal activity and that the police just haven't found the bodies. 441 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,519 You know, I don't think you can lump anyone into anyone category. It's 442 00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:29,639 a combination of all you know about. Something in the woods you see is 443 00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,719 worse to encounter than a dog, met or sasquatch. Please expand on that, 444 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:43,480 for us feral humans, the most dangerous creature in the woods is a 445 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:51,519 human. We have an Appalachian mountains, which I live in Appalachian Mountains. 446 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:57,760 We have feral people. There are feral people on the West Coast, in 447 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:07,679 the mountains, there are feral people pretty well anywhere that they can be that 448 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,000 they can survive and survive undetected, including in White Mountains up in New York 449 00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:22,039 and such. What makes a feral person so dangerous is their mind. They 450 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:27,800 are able to think like a human because they are a human. We don't 451 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:32,039 know how dog man thinks, we don't know how Bigfoot thinks. We know 452 00:50:32,199 --> 00:50:39,639 how a human thinks. And the one particular run end that I know that 453 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:50,559 you're referencing, when the five of them were standing outside the shelter, talking 454 00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:58,559 back and forth amongst themselves in what appeared to be their own language, was 455 00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:07,480 an uno distinguishable language, like they were trying to decide who gets what piece 456 00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:16,280 to eat when they kill them. But fortunately they do understand what a gun 457 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:27,159 is. And well, let's just say, sometimes you make it out and 458 00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,920 you're glad that you did, and you never want to go back. And 459 00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:37,079 when you report to encounter to the police, they really don't even care because 460 00:51:37,559 --> 00:51:43,599 I'm sure it wasn't the first report. Imagine being that guy. That's a 461 00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:46,639 bad spot to find yourself in. If you'd like to be able to listen 462 00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:51,639 to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content. That's an 463 00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:54,920 option. To find out how, please go to dog Me and Encounters dot 464 00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:00,679 com Ford Slash Podcast. What's about time for us to get out of here, 465 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,480 Kirk. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd 466 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:10,119 like to share, including promoting your show, Abnormal Investigations. Yes, I'm 467 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:19,079 the co host of Abnormal Investigations. Come join us, listen to our shows. 468 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,559 You will be educated, and you will be entertained. And I will 469 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,800 go ahead and let you in on a show that is going to drop on 470 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:37,119 the twenty eighth of October. We will actually have a professional vampire hunter on, 471 00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:45,960 a man that makes his living hunting vampires and travels the worldwide. Imagine 472 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:52,000 the things that he's experienced and seen. I can only imagine. Yeah, 473 00:52:52,960 --> 00:53:00,400 tomorrow we will do a short show somewhat on vampires, and that's just the 474 00:53:00,519 --> 00:53:07,039 people primed up a little bit. And then in September we'll do one more 475 00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:13,800 short show on vampires. And then as I say this, professional vampire hunter 476 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:20,599 comes on October twenty eighth and time for Halloween. And he actually right now 477 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,400 is in South America on a vampire hunt for six weeks. He doesn't frighten 478 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,880 easily, does he. No, not at all. No, i'd say 479 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,400 he doesn't. Well, Kirk, I can't thank you enough for coming on 480 00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:37,000 and sharing the details of your experiences as well as the others that you told 481 00:53:37,039 --> 00:53:42,599 us about tonight. I really appreciate it. Not a problem at all. 482 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,079 I appreciate you having me on. Oh, you're welcome. You are welcome. 483 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:52,079 Well, Thanks against so much for your time and have a great night.