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welcome to Eye on the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve
Rivera, our partner jagmes as with our guy Jason in handling the work here.
When was the last time you worked on your eyebrows? Jay? Never?
Never? Never? Why Golden State needs to work on it? Oh?
Yeah, they have it. They do have a brow problem. At
least they had hip. But you know, the good news for the for
the Warriors is that the discussion today has been that every time Anthony Davis plays
a game like he played last night, he either gets hurt for the next
game or plays terrible the next games. You've got that going for you.
I think they were just stunned and they gotta be well, he almost had
it one fourteen zero run. Yeah, I'm a Warrior guy, and I'm
not afraid. I'm not afraid, not afraid of Jordan pool shot selection.
He had a good game outside of when that last one. Yeah, you
should have been more patient. Did you have a very good game? But
yeah, I think now now is the time Green should beat the crap out
of them, right yeah, just say said the photo of Steph Curry like
bent over, just like, oh what are you doing? I can't believe
he took that shot. The problem was he had sixteen seconds, fifteen seconds,
plenty of times, plenty of times take a step ain't get a better
shot? House the ball? See if to see if Steph Curry can get
open? Right? Yeah, right right, But it is what it is.
It should be fun the rest of the way. Yeah, you know,
the it's say, it's say what you want. The playoffs have been
interesting, yeah, you know a lot of drama. By that, and
by by the drama, I mean just that you know the uh you know,
the Warriors were down two games that came back and won. The Suns
are down two games right now and people are saying they suck and they may
well come back and win the next two at home. Um, you know
the number one seed the Bucks got got eliminated. Uh. Just been a
lot of really interesting stuff going on in these playoffs this year. Yeah,
a lot of fun. People get start to watch more. Everybody starts to
watch more to the playoffs. Yeah, well, you know what, I
think people are just watching more because they're gambling more in this stuff. We
lost our bet last night. It's it's a burrito open deal. It was
fun, though, I mean I didn't want well I watch well see see
that's what that's what it got me to do. I put the game on
and I watched it start to finish, and I was pissed off the whole
game because you know both both You know, our bet was that Seth Curry,
Steph Curry, it Steph Curry and Lebron would Yeah, I would combine
for sixty points or more. Um, you know, I think I think
they had a combined twelve at the end of the first quarter and that wasn't
good enough. Yeah, they finished with you know, Lebron got twenty Lebron
got to twenty one. Uh, Steph got to twenty seven point. It
wasn't close. It wasn't like, oh, in the fourth quarter we got
a shot at it. Lebron wasn't putting any points on the board because Anthony
Davis was doing all the scoring. Yeah, no, that's so cool.
It's still fun. Yeah, that's all right. We'll see what happens in
the next couple of days. Big games to night Boston, right, Boston
plays Boston Philadelphia, Philadelphia. That's the only game tonight. On the next
couple of days, we have more of the games. That's where they they've
they're spread out this week. Uh, you know, all week for some
reason, like I think, but the Lakers don't play again until Friday,
tomorrow. They play tomorrow Arts Friday. All right. The Suns don't play
to Friday. Yeah, yeah, okay, Um, you might want to
do the old calendar of thinging. We need to know. Without a clock,
we don't know where we're what we're doing. Uh, it's about twelve
what's it gonna be about twelve minutes? Um? Jay? Okay. So
we talk about who we have on the show today. All right, Well,
today we've got to Adam Green, who we invited him because he wrote
a column that was on point. He's an easy desert swarm that was on
point with what Steve and I have been talking about about Arizona basketball fans and
how they kind of need to calm down and all these people who are saying
that they've lost faith in Tommy Lloyd, his ability to recruit, YadA,
YadA, yadda are just well, he didn't say really dumb. We've been
saying they're really dumb, but he was just basically saying people need to relax.
So we'll talk to him about, you know, why he thinks,
why he thinks that, what got him to write, to write the column
that he wrote, and just some of his thoughts on what he thinks is
going on with recruiting, basketball, recruiting, whatnot. Tommy lads gotta look,
tom lads gotta fill up his roster this summer. But he's working on
it, and you know all these people who are saying, well, he
sucks because it's not full right now, you know, come on, patience,
Yeah, patience. And then Steve's gonna leave me halfway through the show.
He's got an Neil Tour event he's got to tend. So it's gonna
be Jason and I gonna go through breaking news, and then I've invited Greg
Hanson to come in and just chew the at with us, talk a little
bit about some of everything. Um, there's a lot going on locally,
you know, you know, be Jean Robinson getting drafted and uh, you
know, some local teams doing really well. You've got to Pima baseball is
in the UH is in the region championship UH tournament. You've got men uh
Pima golf going to the Nationals. You had men's tennis in UH you know,
in the nc DOUBAA tournament hosting and they'll be playing a match tomorrow.
So just a lot of stuff going on locally and we'll just go into into
some of that stuff and then you know, maybe some of the national issues
as well. Yeah, okay, uh we and and your calls, of
course, you can give us a price. We'll take your calls five to
two zero four one, six seventy four forty. Uh, we can take
your calls anytime there aren't guests on the line, but uh, you know,
feel free to go to call anytime five two zero four one six seventy
four forty. So we've been talking a lot of NBA, talking a lot
of Arizona basketball. UM some things going on with the Arizona football. There
was kind of a cool ranking that came out today that we can talk about
UM on three. Those are the guys that do the uh the nil valuation.
They came out with the top ten wide receiver unit rankings in the country.
And in the top ten are Ohio State, Texas, Salasee, all
the schools you expect, right, Ohio State, Texas, Selasee, Washington,
USC, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas, A, and m Alabama and
A top ten Arizona A number nine in the wide receivers wide receiver bations because
of the team act and Jacob Colly. Yeah, and if they had if
they had kept yet Glorian Singer so Ohise Stas number one, Texas number two,
LSU was three, Washington and USC are four and five, then Georgia,
Tennessee, Texas A and M Arizona and Alabama. I mean it was
like Arizona, which one of these does not generally belong in that on the
list of anything. No, you just have to get them the damn ball.
Well, you know, we'll see how working on yeah, yeah,
so I have. I just saw something coming in and sitting on open my
computer. Let me let me read you remember the guy from Michigan Hunter Dickinson,
Right, Okay, he's thinking about going someplace blah blah blah. It's
one of his finances Kentucky and they thought it was a shoeing to go to
Kentucky. Right's blue blood. It's Kentucky for for for for sake, goodness
sake, I guess is the word. According to somebody at Kentucky says,
uh, the main reason he might not go there is that there's a lack
of NIL guarantees that they're willing to make. This is at Kentucky, no
less right, Yeah, and he says, hearing things aren't looking great for
UK and Hunter Dickinson. Kentucky hasn't given up on uk BB isn't guaranteeing nilney
as the other schools in the process are. So if people don't believe in
the NIL that it's a thing, it's a thing, and it's not just
here, it's everywhere everywhere, and if you want to be part of it,
you have to be part of it, right And you know, and
you have to think about how much money is there to go around? Right
because you know, somebody raided Kentucky's recruiting class. Yeah, number one means
they got the those guys. They probably come up with a lot of money
for those guys. Now they can't maybe they don't have money for a guy
like Hunter Dickinson. It's like when you know your your NFL quarterback gets a
you know, three hundred million dollars contract, Well, what do you got
left for everybody else? And now those teams tend to suck because they don't
they can't pay the money to put enough players around. Sure, you're gonna
start seeing that in in college athletics, particularly football and basketball. It's,
uh, it's it's a sad look. I mean, you've you've been a
fan forever because this is the way it is. Yeah again, it's like,
well it's just that's it. I mean, you just gotta say it
is what it is. I mean, it's it's the changing uh economics of
of of of sports. You know, if you're if you grew up the
way we did and watch sports the way we did, and I mean,
yeah, we knew players were getting paid, but it's always under the table.
It's like who can cheat better than the other. It was a little
different than what it is now because everybody gets to do it and if you're
not, then you're you're way behind. And and so we just have to
get you see that that that this is what it is. Instead of saying
I don't like it. Or I hate it or I'm not gonna you know,
I think it's crap. You just you just got to deal with it.
Yeah, Amateur Hour is over now, and the schools who are more
prepared, more organized with all of this, so the school is going to
do well. Yeah, so so tell me. I read I think it
was an Adam story, Adam Green who did it talking about collectives? Right,
but you said they're not collectives. That's not the right term. Well,
the two that we're talking about in Arizona, I don't I don't think
he called him something else. Remember, we specifically asked Adam Lazarus from from
Arizona, assist, is this a collective? And he said it's not.
And I can't remember what he called it. I mean, I have to
go back and listen to that. He said, we're not a collective,
and he defined what's the difference between a collective and what they are? And
I don't remember what that. I can't text him and ask him what the
word he is. Remember, he can give us a call for a couple
just clear that up, because you know, a collective, I think a
collective is more tied to the university than what what the Arizona Assist is doing.
Um uh. I consider to try and look up a definition of it,
but I'm not really sure. Um you know, the the the what
what? Uh? What Arizona Assist is doing. It's giving It's a place
where people can put money into this, but then they work to get the
athletes to come and uh, you know earn that money, right, whereas
I think a collective is just like handing out money. I could be wrong,
Um I it probably That's That's part of the problem, Steve. So
much of this is so damn confusing as to what's what right right and talked
to have a couple of quick questions for them, because I've been asked.
I've been asked on Facebook. You know, how much go to do the
student athletes if they do contribute to him? Uh, Arizona Assist, I
should say, after costing all that stuff, Because I said, just go
to the website. They'll tell you. Yeah. I don't think they're I
think they're pretty open about that because people want to know that if I'm giving
you one hundred dollars, I want to know that you know, ninety seven
of that is going for what I'm giving it too, and you can take
the other two or three percent. Yeah, you know to operate this thing,
you know, So I don't know. It's it's odd that we have
this confusion, but like I said, that's part of the problem. And
it's a it's not that it's a moving target. It's just so new to
people. And then there's confusion. Yeah, there's confusion. Don't just don't
know, and it's it's hard to understand. But if you want to be
part of it, why not check into it? Right? But uh,
you know, But in any event, what the bottom line is is it
taking money that hasn't been available, right, It's taking new money. They
got to out gout to create new money, sure for this, and not
that he does this or doesn't do it. The clicks of the world,
the wetman's of the world, they go when they pay for a lot of
stuff already, right, they've got their names on buildings and money's going directly
into Stevens and ye're going nightly into the into the athletic departments. This is
not they need more. They need more money from other places. They need
the Gonzalez money, they need the Reveria money. They need to even if
it's a ten dollar thing or five dollars, ten dollars whatever they need.
What they need more than anything, it's more participation for as you said,
if you can do one hundred dollars a year, that goes to this.
But on top of the seat premium, you're paying for your tickets or whatever
you're doing. Right, they need additional money. They're asking for more money
in order to stay competitive. Right. In fact, I think I gave
you an example. Someone said that we already paying ten thousand dollars for a
couple of seats, we don't have much more. Well, okay, thank
you, But that's different, right, that's different. Yeah, that money
is not going to where you know, these schools now, we're trying to
compete in the nil market, right, Okay. I just texted him he
might have to cost after the after the breaking when we talked to mister Green,
Okay, it's when you talked about read the call. You said it
to me this morning. I said, it's it's sput on, but sput
on to what we believe, right, It doesn't necessarily mean what everybody else
believes. Right. They don't have to agree with us, but you and
I know that we're right at least we're the right page. Oh yeah,
of course, Yeah, Jason knows, yes, he needs a good grade.
You know, I just it's, uh again, the game has changed,
whether we like it or not. All the things that are changing,
you know, expansion and conferences and TV deals and all this, and you
know which all really tends to be related to money, Uh, is how
things are operated now and it's you know, it's twenty twenty three, and
that's just what it happens to be. And yeah, would we like it
to be you know, nineteen seventy one again, where you know, coaches
are making two hundred thousand dollars a year and players are you know, just
their athletes and their students and YadA, YadA, YadA. Sure, but
that you know, we've come to this over a long period of time because
this is just what our society is, and that's just swait it. Yeah.
Hey, let's take our breaknow, sorry, three fourteen, come back
talk to and then we'll see if we can get Lazareth on the Okay,
okay, let's take a break. Adam Green from Mazie Desert Swarm talking about
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on Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. He is Jakins. Also,
I think we got a phone call right now the black time, Adam
is this shoe? Yeah, yeah, I'm a green How are you?
We're trying to reach you and now we got you. Thank you for columns.
Hey, how you guys doing fine? Thank you? So Jay wakes
me up by this morning says, did you read this column? I said,
well, now I did. And how old are you? Adam?
Just real quick? How old am I? I'm a very old feeling thirty
nine. Oh so okay, so you're kind of older, which makes sense.
It makes this stop. And I say this with respect because we're all
dudes, right, and we're not young, cranky young kids thinking I know
everything. Um. And so we liked your column today because it, um,
it's kind of fits right on what we've been talking about. So now
you're a sixty one year old man. Sorry, Adam, but we liked
what you said because it's an agreement with what we've been talking about. Yeah.
Yeah, well, well now it's one thing where it's like, obviously
people are stressed about recruiting, but the team isn't put together yet, right,
coach has won a lot of games. I feel like time you like
call me, there's a little bit of of the doubt at least early on,
especially given the success he's already had. Yeah. Well, and that's
the things, Well, that's the thing Stephen Aban Harper and saying, you
know, a friend of ours Texas, and I've lost faith in Tommy Lloyd
and his recruiting. I'm like, well, what have you lost faith in
the sixty one games that he's won in two seasons as a new head coach
and what you know, Well, he doesn't have his team yet. Well,
as you said, it's not it's he doesn't have to have his team
yet, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean obviously the season has been
his start for like other five months or so, and I'm not going to
go into the season with six players or seven players, like we know that.
And I think it's fair to question things until it happened, sure,
because you want to see this team filled out, and just because they were
good last year they before doesn't mean they'll be as good next season. But
I think the guy deserves a chance to put a team together. We know
how many people are still in the transfer portal, and we've seen some of
his recruiting of the high school ranks. It's been pretty good. So you
know, as Tommy Lloyd does he need time to settle in and kind of
get his pipeline going and get his style going. Sure, you know it's
only his second full recruiting class is going to have here for Arizona, But
I think the early return has been promising enough, especially with the high school
recruiting where he should probably get some ben for that do plus even a transfer
port of last season getting Courtney Rainby, et cetera Henderson junior, those are
pretty good additions for the team. Both of them end up starting for them
at the end of the season, so you know, it's it's only the
guy can't build a roster. And of course now because it was Tabella's going
pro, it's going to be basically an entire Timmy Lloyd roster next season,
and that's where you can start to judge him. But now I think he's
done enough on the court to buy that time off the court. I think
you kind of put it in perspective too pretty well. With the guy who
who he followed Miller in his early recruiting classes, they weren't great. He
fell into the USC kids leaving because of because of their coach, and I
just lost the name right now, Lloyd Floyd. Sorry it's employd but you
know that was kind of by accident, if you will. And then a
kind of second year didn't go so well. There, you didn't go so
well, and then all of a sudden it took off. Yeah. Yeah,
and that's not not Sean Millery. And obviously by the time he was
no longer Arison as coach, people looked at him as a great recruiter and
he brought a lot of top end talent to Arizona and he got there,
he kind of got his legs under him. I know. The questions were
being the East Coast guy, could he recruit players out west? And the
answer was yes, he did. He did very well there. It didn't
lead to final fours or anything, but the recruiting wasn't a problem. But
yeah, people kind of forget the early going. And yes, it helps
you make an a lead eight in your second season to kind of buy a
little bit of time. But yeah, if you look at the recruiting rankings
and the players he was bringing in. Even one of the question that Josiah
Turner, Nick Johnson like Turner was a really highly rated player, but it
didn't work out. So, you know, Tommy Lloyden. Also, it
was just a different era and comes to recruiting, like there is a transfer
portal now, which is I could be bigger than it is than recruiting high
school players. But it's easy to forget, you know, the early Sean
Miller days, how his recruiting wasn't great to start. So you know,
it's not like Tony just done a bad job recruiting and building these rosters and
filling holes. Could things go south for them, absolutely, there's you know,
until things go really well, things can go poorly. I just don't
see the reason to believe that's the way it's going to go right. And
and I again, you know, you know, people say, well,
you know the proof is in the pudding. Well, the pudding has been
pretty damn good for two years. And I guess I don't understand why people
are just already writing him off. But you know, I think the thing
that people need to get used to the fact that is the fact that recruiting
classes or teams aren't coming together until mid to late summer anymore. And that's
just the way it's going to be. This team that he had last year
that won a whole bunch of games that's when that team came together, right
he got I mean he got Henry Vassar like in July, or oh no,
he got Colin Boswell reclassified in July. I mean he was still putting
his team together. Is that, you know? I know where we don't
know. There's no way to predict the future. But is that just the
way it's going to be from now on? The teams will come together in
the summer as opposed to the s when they're recruiting classes got signed. I
don't know if it's the way it's going to be, but I think it's
probably the way. People have to understand that the recruiting isn't done yet,
right, Like, rosters aren't going to be finished until later in the summer,
And you know that might be different each year, and certain players might
commit earlier. You have a bigger high school recruiting class that's already going to
be gone to camp, has already signed. Maybe you hit the portal early
and get some players that way. But like the time, the window with
which to build a roster is certainly larger than it ever was, so,
especially with the transfer portal, and especially with players who enter their names in
the NBA trap and then end up pulling out and going back to school.
There's going to be a reason to wait. Patience is a virtue and it's
tough. I get it for fans and I get it for everybody. You
want to see a roster get built. You want to see a really good
roster get built. But when you're waiting on the portal and you're waiting on
some of the maybe international kids who are their seasons have to finish up before
they can announce or commit to Arizona or anything like that, just you're going
to have to wait a little bit. And you know what's the Tom Petty's
like, waiting is the hardest part it is. It doesn't mean that it
just because the roster takes a little more time to get built, it's going
to be a bad one. Your point, like, that's what it was
last season. It took a while and that has that was with two waiting
for guys like Dale and Terry Christian Koloko to stay in the draft and then
you knew you get your roster spots. So you know, I wouldn't anticipate
anything like this every year, but certainly with the international recruiting, with the
transfer portal Waiting isn't necessarily the worst thing in the world. You're quoting Tom
Petty, I'll quote the ketchup bottle anticipation, Baby anticipation. Everybody can't wait.
I'm curious, do you have access to your your your work for as
Desert swarm dot com obviously, do you have access to the crazies that kind
of comment on that line as well? I mean we see it on the
comments, yeah, and it happens obviously. I mean the way I've always
seen commenters like, as long as they're reading and comment they're commenting, that
means they cared. So you know, from a writer's perspective, I don't
care if they're angry or they think I'm the smartest person in the world.
Of course, I'm on Twitter and see a lot of that stuff too,
so I'm you know, it's Arizona fans. I know a lot of them
too, so you know, I hear it, you see it all over
and it's hard to be like, I mean, they're not necessarily wrong,
but it's like just that patience that maybe people didn't need to have five,
six, seven, ten years ago when it came to recruiting. They need
to have right now, because when you take that step back and you look
at the bigger picture in terms of you know, like you were saying,
like, in terms of building this roster, it might take till May,
might take till June to really start to fill out. Yeah, that's just
how it is right now. And it's just tough to kind of get into
that mindset, especially when you see all the players getting transferred to other schools
and I like, af he's laying it like eight or nine transfers Arkansas and
on every transfer it seems like, you know, that does happen for some
programs, but it doesn't mean it's the only way to get the job done.
And I know Timelod was quote on the Arizon on a daily start talking
about he things are in a good place and things will be fine, and
yeah, I mean, I don't expect him to say otherwise. I don't
expect him come and say, yeah, we're in trouble. It's not going
to work out this season. But I also think he knows a little bit
more in terms of what the rosters can look like by time the season starts
compared to what it is right now than most of us do. And one
of the things that I saw a couple of comments on was people feel like
they have a right to no right, you have a right to know who's
Tommy Lloyd going after? You need like like you need our approval to go
get that guy or something like that. I don't even know what it is.
And it's like worse than ever that, you know, because stuff isn't
out on social media about this guy's being recruited by Arizona or that guy,
or you know, Arizona is the finalist for this guy that guy that that
you know, we're being held information being held from fans that shouldn't be.
That part of it drives me crazy as well. Yeah, it's the world
that we live in terms of like the oversharing and everything on social media.
And someone puts out their list of like I've turned my list down to these
seventeen teams that I'm interested in me or something like that, and it's kind
of like the Nemahard kid who end up going to gonzagas no one knew.
I was like, Okay, he's just out there being recruited and he commits
to Gonzaga. Our Arizona fans as episode it's like, oh, well,
he just okay, he chose and Zaga, where as opposed to he was
like, oh he's supposed to go to Arizona or Arizona's after this guy,
they really want him. And yeah, there's probably a lot of players at
Arizona wants and doesn't get and fans never hear about it. They don't know
about it, so they're not you know, it doesn't bother them. It's
with so many players out there in the portal, you have to imagine Arizona
is not just saying we're seeing these five guys and if we don't get them
all, well, I imagine Tommy Lloyd's thinking, you know, he's got
calls in, They got notes or texts out to all these players say hey,
if you're interested, if you don't stay in the draft, we'd like
to bring you to Tucson, and then when things can happen, when that
can progress and move forward, they'll act on it. But yeah, I
mean, fans want to know everything, and in today's day and age,
fans know far more than they ever did, which is great, but it
also leads to two or can lead to some of that extra stress and angst
because it's like, why don't we know this? And just because you don't
hear if something doesn't mean it's not happening. You know, absence of that
information doesn't mean an absence of truth. So I would imagine, like,
unless you have zero faith in the staff and think that they have no idea
what they're doing, you know, the quiet approach may be the best one
for them, and I would let them go ahead with it now. A
year from now, two years from now, if things aren't going well recruiting,
maybe you start to wonder. But I think right now it's fair to
say, you know what, they have an idea of what they're doing.
Maybe Plan A, Plan B doesn't work out, but a plan is in
place. They're gonna fill out a roster and they'll probably have some pretty good
players on it. No, I think exactly right. You know, back
in the day, when you were about twenty, that stuff was talked in
bars, this at midnight. You know, people at the bar school saying,
well, you know that time we though it guy, you know whatever,
But now it's it's brought forward because of easy deserts worm or or all
sports tu son or the two sound up time. You know what I'm saying,
it's much more talked about because you're right, fans no more now because
of the Internet. Yeah, and you want fans to be passionate, you
want them to be interested. You know, apathy is the worst thing that
could happen for a program and for a team, So you want them to
be into it and following their every move. But you know, I don't
know how many players like Henry Vasa, how many people knew he was even
on Arizona radar last year? Right? Or Courtney Raymi or Sitah Kenderson Junior
or some of the guys they brought in, you know, Philipthorovician, it's
some of these guys. It's also like, oh they commit to Arizona.
Okay, who is this guy? So it is different with the portal because
there's so many stars from different programs. You're like, oh, that guy
would probably be good at Arizona. And yeah, like any good player I
think would be good at Arizona. But you know, to not be in
on all of them, or to not have a chance at all of them,
maybe Arizona check it in. They're like Nope, I want to go
this place, or nope, I got an n I'll offer deal somewhere else.
That's where I'm going. And Aarona Okay, thanks, good luck to
you. But there are players out there that they're going to get that.
I'm sure they've made contact with it, that they're going to bring it to
Son And if you're an Arizon thing, you just hope that they end up
being good players who form a great team. The same thing about this Jay,
And I said this before, Adam that one one of the worst things
that happened to the Arizona basketball program is it won a title in ninety seven.
Now everyone thinks they deserve another one anytime soon. Right now, it's
gored have been twenty six years. That's one thing. And the second thing
is he's had fantastic success. Now they've got the taste, right even though
the recent people we want more, right, we want more? And how
can we're not giving us more? Yeah, And I think Arizona fans should
like Obviously, Arizona is not the blue blood that say a Duke is or
a Kentucky has been, or I guess I don't know if you put ukin
in that category. Night right now, that pains me because I've never thought
that highly of them, And yet look at all their championships. But Arizona's
a really good program, and I think fans should expect success, but also
what a success look like. And that is one thing I put in the
column as he desert someways that it feels like Tommy Lloyd is, you know,
kind of shackleder, has a cloud of all the failures that preceded him
that he's wearing that. In terms of Arizona fans, like, they want
success and they want it now. And yeah, he's won sixty one games
the first couple of seasons, a couple of PAC twelve tournament championships. Obviously
this past season ended way too soon in the NCAA tournament, Like that's that's
on Tommy Lloyd. But Arizona not making a final four in twenty something years,
that is not on Tommy Lloyd. You know, having not won a
national title in twenty six years, that is not on Tommy Lloyd. So
he has to wear that in terms of he's the next best chance to end
the streaks, but he's not the reason for the streak, right, So
what's what's your gut feeling on a Zulus. Has he gone or do you
think there's a chance or how much of a percent chance do you think there
is that he might come back. JAD used to get off the lids.
That's what he's asking, No, because we have this great, this great
clip of him saying they kicked our asses that we use all the time,
But we want what's your gut feeling on him. My gut feeling is that
he's probably gone. Um. I don't think he's an NBA pick. I
don't think he's you know, a first round pick or a second round pick.
But I think he'll get hivited to a camp or just go back home
and play overseas. It's one of those situations where I don't know how much
you would benefit from coming back for another season. People think the things he
needs to work on, It's like, well, what if he never gets
better at those? Or what if he comes back to school He's like,
well, people needed me to shoot three, so I'm just gonna check him
a bunch of three pointers. Like that's not what Arizona wants either, So
I'm guessing it's I have no information and side information from my gut feelings having
watched him played yet a great season for Arizona. The others of him improving
on that end, being even better, I would think are too slim to
warrant coming back, especially since he will have options to play professionally. If
that's not the NBA getting back to the dark side of the airs. On
a fan base, do you think that that the fans ran kurk Crease out
of town? So I would hope not k kirk Crease's sake. I would
hope that he's not like leaving because of fans. I'm guessing too with that
one. Kylin bosw is probably more the reason Kirk Cresa left than anything else.
Anything the fans did. You know, Cresa seemed to enjoy from what
I could tell, the haters and the and the fans all at the same
time. But you look at his role, Kylin Boswell should be ready to
take over as a starting point guard next season, a more ball dominant type
position than he had, and I think that's probably better for Arizona. So,
you know, we're fans high on Kirk Crias, Absolutely not, especially
after the way the tournaments went for him. But I can't imagine that's why
he left. You know, it's a better opportunity, maybe for more playing
time or more nil or just something. I think, given him what he's
going to be pushed by next season without he might guess, you know,
but if he because of the fans, that's like, that's that's raw.
Yeah, no question, Adam Green, thank you very much. I'm gonna
go listen to Carly Simon sing anticipation and you go listen to Tom Patty.
Thank you, hey, Adam, thanks the whole bunch, appreciate it.
I think everything he said totally agrees with what we said. Sounds so reasonable.
I know, I lose my mind over here and I'm yelling and I'm
cussing at the fans and stuff like that. He said all the same things,
but he said him in just a reasonable, calm, orderly way.
Yeah. No, we've been saying the same thing, just not in a
calm, orderly Go read that column on Easy Desert Swarm dot Com. Is
just a really good piece and uh just kind of a very reasonable piece and
everything that's going on. Let's go and take our break. We'll be back.
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Got a guy Jason on the base here. Now we have Adam lazarres from
good Juju. How are you Adam? Hey, guys can talk to you
again. Good dude. We've been talking to NIL a lot lately, obviously
from your discussion a while back. You want to have you on again to
kind of clarify some things. I just read something maybe a half hour ago
about Kentucky trying to get the Dickinson kid here but there, but they don't
have enough NIL, and that's probably part of the problem. And I'm saying,
if Kentucky has an issue, imagine Arizona's issue if people don't join in.
So you know everybody has the same issue. It seems like it.
And you know NIL is ever changing and constantly expanding, and you know rules
are changing and whatnot. So I don't have any specific information on the Kentucky
player or that at all. I first I've heard of it is when you're
saying it, but absolutely it is a we're building the plane as we fly
it, as we like to joke around sometimes, so we're figuring it out
as we go and making sure we get here to every possible rule we can,
but I can't speak on anything with them other than to say I know
that they're experiencing challenges because we are fat as well. Okay, So for
our last conversation when you're on the show, I think I recall you saying
that that Arizona Assist is not a collective, but it's something else. Okay,
what's a collective versus what Arizona Assist is. So, in our definition,
a collective would be a group of people or a collection of either boosters
or alumni, or people who are putting money into a fund or a pot
or a bucket, so to speak, to be used four players. However
that is being used to incentivized players, you know, to stay, or
however they're using nil. We do not do that. We don't have a
fil of money. There are no minimum requirements, there's no guarantees to the
players. There's no expectation that they will receive X or Y at all.
The more that we sell from a merchandise standpoint, the more memberships we generate,
the more corporate and business sponsorships we can receive, the more money goes
into our platform, and we pay all our builds, and we distribute that
money back to the players, and there's no animals. Okay, how do
you distribute that to the players? They they do appearances and things like that.
Is that what happens? That is one way that they can do it.
They fully negotiate those themselves. We're not player representatives at all, but
we are certainly a and shake or a connection to a business or an entity
that might want that player to do something for them and the player themselves.
We will certainly hand them or introduce them to all of those relationships, but
we don't negotiate or broke or anything beyond that. Okay, what would be
and I spent some time with you, what would be the easiest and best
way from h for a guy like me, a guy like Jay who you
know, minimal means or whatever. But we want to help a great question.
We've designed or Zona assist dot com to be a membership based platform that
allows you to to become a member at as little as one hundred dollars a
year that gets to the whole year. You receive some cool perks for that.
At that level, you have access to our discounts across our store,
You have advanced notice of all kinds of cool events that we have. We
draw names from contests and fun things and giveaways from that membership list, and
then there's other perks. There's a thousand dollars level for those that maybe want
to get a little bit more benefit out of it, but also have the
means to afford it, and then we go it goes up from there.
There's a ten ten thousand dollars level, and there's also a corporate at sponsorship
level that allows businesses, brands, local organizations to take advantage of it,
support the players, support the program, and still get some cool phurt.
Okay, now very slowly, okay, because I'm still kind of not getting
this. How does the money that comes to Arizona Assist get into the hands
of players of athletes? What's a typical way. So we are tracking every
dollars that is brought through Arizon Assist platform in the forms of the things I
just mentioned, membership, memorable merchandise, event tickets, things like that.
Those dollars come in. We pay our bills, because we are not a
five O, one C three, We pay all of our bills. We
pay for the shirts themselves, and the you know, the golf course when
we have a golf tournament, all the things we need to pay, marketing,
mainance management, just like any business would. And then the eighty percent
of that revenue goes back to the student nationals on average. And that's what
I'm saying. How how did they get their hands on it? How do
they how do they physically receive those funds? Well? Like, like how
you know, how do you decide who gets some of that eighty percent of
the funds? You know, let's say thousand dollars would have divided equally amongst
the players. The only players that received more on a certain month than others
would need if their merchant site, their specific T shirt or hats, or
they had an appearance or something that the other players didn't have. For example,
if Umar Balo sells more shirts than a month than Pelo Larsen's, Umar's
distribution that month would be more. Oh I get okay. So basically,
whatever above and beyond your expenses, that money just goes out to the goes
out to the players on the basketball team. Exactly right. Oh okay,
See I thought they had to do something for it other than being on the
basketball team. No, there's no requirement for them to do anything, um,
other than give us those rights to use their name, image and likeness.
And if there's anything above and beyond a specific event or a player engagement
or a talk or whatever they want to do that is negotiated outside of Arizona.
Okay, So that's a great question. Especially the percentage. Is that
an estimate or probably an exact twenty percent? Because I know one of the
fans put posted something on the on the internet for to get fans interested and
donating. Then one of the things was how do we know where the money
goes? One? And how much is there was on assists getting from this?
Yeah, they're well that there is. The average amount would be about
eighty per men. Definitely, you know it to be seventy seven percent or
the eighty two percent. I don't know exactly, but um, the only
way to know that that's happening is the trust us that has happened. I
don't know how else. Definitely, collect every single uh dollar that we that
we collect is tracked and distributed it um. And we are a business,
I mean, so we are definitely have built to pay. Once those builds
are paid, then the balance of that dollars goes to those student athletes.
No, this is great information because I'm gonna try to maybe even put this
podcast on that for an answer. I'm assuming that on Arizona sist dot com
you have answers like this, you know FAQs or something. Absolutely, we
have facs there. We're very transparent about our model. The fact that it's
not a collective is what stands out about our model. We are doing this
on the true spirit of nil, which stands from named image like that.
That is what we are focused on is utilizing that so the players can monetize
that um and all the information, all those answers are available on arizonatips dot
com and if anything else, I'm willing to get on any phone call and
talk to any group to explain as much as I can. Okay, so
now let me let me close close the whole thing on this. So a
collective then in that case, is like you said, a group of boosters
or whatever, they group together, they pull all this money, and then
athletes get that money by doing things right, by going to an appearance,
going to work for Boys and Girls club or whatever. Is that how that
money gets distributed to his student athletes or is it just handed to them and
say, Okay, you're really good players, so we're gonna give you three
hundred thousand dollars. I cannot speak for any of the other collectives or any
of the other groups, but my understanding of those with the performers, there's
no situation that I'm aware of where players are getting a lump sum of money
for doing nothing at all. Okay, but again that is not our model
and not you know, I don't really know enough about it to speak to
any other model beside art. It was like the kids used to go,
there's some job to one of the law and the lawn was automatic. He's
not going to say anything to that. All right, the light bulb is
on. I get it now. Yes, our model, our model was
designed to be a conduit between the average fan and the program and allow the
NIL world to be democratized a little bit. So it wasn't just a way
for sort of quote rich boosters or the same people to give money. It's
a way for everyone who loves the Arizona sports to give money and to be
part of the NIL process and also get some cool perks and the benefits in
the process. That's why our models different, right, And the thing we
haven't said, is that Arizona's assist is specifically just for men's basketball. Yes,
correct, Arizona sists currently is just for men's basketball, and we're focused
on just making the men's basketball program as good as we can and building the
foundation for the future of that program. Right now. We tell people,
if you want to be part of this and stop complaining about the lack of
funds or whatever, they can do this to help do their part and help
right. Absolutely, the reality is if we don't adjust, we get left
in the dust. And that is the truth. And so here's a perfect
way to you still get cool swag, you get cool merch that no one
else has. You have a way to interact and engage with the players in
unique ways. And every dollar you to spend, you know that that's the
bulk of that, it's directly supporting these players. So yeah, it's important.
Okay, Hey, great clarification, Adam, I get it now,
Thank you, awesome, No problem. Yes, go to Arizona this dot
com and you can always email me our emails right at the bottom. They're
happy to talk to anyone who can want to learn more. Thanks a bunch,
Adam, appreciate I get it. Yeah, I mean, just you
give to this thing and the money goes to the players. You know,
perc of everything that goes in there goes to the players. Whereas the collective,
like you said, you know, you you colect all this money.
You say, Okay, come to the Boys and Growth Club and we'll give
you X or sign a contract to endorse this and you get X. Yeah,
right right right, No, And I saw they have if you go
to the site, they have cool swag from follow to Larson uh to the
Whiteman kid. You know they have. It's very cool, very cool.
All right, I get it now. It makes so much more sense to
me now, and I'm glad we did that. Okay, So if you're
interested. In fact, a couple of people texted me a couple of quick
questions. So just if you have any more questions, just go to Arizonassist
dot com. Yeah, and they'll they'll do or give them an email or
go back to the podcast. You'll get like a step by step by explanation
of what all this is. We'll get that post and we'll post tonight.
End up get up on our social media. Yeah, okay, but I'm
glad, I'm really glad because I just kept having confusion and I knew that.
I heard him say, we're not a collective, and but now he
explains, you know what they are. So you know, the money just
go get to divvy up to those players. So there's you know, a
source of income for those guys. And then they get that income because they've
they've signed over, you know, rights to the name, image and likeness,
and consequently for that they get X. And so the more the more
Arizona fans contribute, the more they get, and the more the better Arizona
can recruit. Right, Okay, not just about Arizona anymore. It's about
money and yeah, everywhere, man, Yeah, it's everywhere. I feel
like I want to go back in time and become a college. We only
we only have one fifty five. And I know I'm talking to a biased
dude. I'm saying, you're biased so on the West coast, and I'm
saying from let's say, from Colorado, New Mexico, Montana, West West.
It has to be in the top five colleges in Arizona. Yeah,
and we could. I'll say, Oregon, you got USC, Oregon,
Washington. I think I think in terms of basketball programs. We're talking athletic
departments, departments. Yeah, you know, top five, top five six
yeah, um, you know, usc Us, La, Oregon, and
then every then everybody else in Washington and then everybody else is like in a
tie for fifth. Not everybody, because I think Washington and maybe Colorado were
a step below. Why do you state now you yeah, I mean so,
I think everybody's kind of in a in a tie for you know,
fourth or fifth place. But it's not bad to be San Diego State.
Now, it's not bad to be some of the other ones that we don't
talk about Gonzaga, Gonzaga in basketball, health, football. Boise State is
in that twelve thirteen because you know, I think Boise State is basically Washington
State, well Washington that area Washington. I mean, I just think that
there's sort of like a notch below down there, like let's say like cal
Washington State, maybe Colorado right now, Um, you know, even a
sus Is. I think it is trailing behind Arizona in terms because because Arizone's
got a basketball program to standoff, which you know, none of the other
schools have that, and their football programs are kind of like arizonas so um,
maybe you know, UT's got a really good football program, but their
basketball program isn't great. Right now, Hey, we got to get out
of here, and so do you all right, we'll be back. I'll
be Steve's got to hit the road. It'll be Jason and I and we'll
have Greg Hanson coming on at four about four twenty, so I'll stick around
for all that breaking news at the top of the hour.