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guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect

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the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience.

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As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something crawling around

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out here? Does a legend walk
among us working in the forests of our

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world? Did you see what it
was? Was it a person or an

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animal? Or I can't go?
Oh, I know as if my thunder

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light came on and I get happened
to Glenn and see this thing running across

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the yard A good fight man or
something looks like a man. I don't

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know what it was. For over
fifteen years, we've talked with scientists,

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researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying
to gain insight and truth around the existence

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of this mysterious entity. Jesus quite
big, Karl Peel, Hello, get

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somebody out here. What's going to
announce there? I thought of AMC is

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about six foot nine. I don't
know. Is he announced there? Yeah?

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I'm booking right aay? Oh,
okay, hang on, he's right?

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Is he your yarn? Yeah?
God, he's big? Okay,

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what's he doing in your yard.
We're going to join us as we continue

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into the investigation of the Sasquatch experience. And once again you're listening to the

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Sasquatch Experience. On Monday, November
twenty seven, twenty twenty three. Happy

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Belated Turkey Day to all those who
celebrated the United States version of Thanksgiving.

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Gentlemen, it was good to talk
with you over the weekend and share our

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Thanksgiving goodness. And here we are
what's becoming a routine Monday night for Sasquatch

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experience Again about it? It seems
that way. Yeah, yeah, it's

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a regular visitation. I guess we
want to get into your living room and

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you know, share with you the
weird and anomalous bigfoot stuff, right anomalists,

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Here we are. Let us see
here we are at the Annimal Studios.

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Well I am, I am,
but we've got matted down there.

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One two for the price of one. As Baker said before we went on

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the air, you got full frontal
and wide angle, so you got all

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me whichever way you like me.
I'm there. It's also hunting Pennsylvania our

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friends in the Keystone State, So
be careful out there and safe. Matt

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so far, it's been pretty quiet
from any kind of injury reporting, So

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that's a good thing this year so
far. That's always a good thing.

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So just a quick update. I
was up in our area and we put

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boots on the ground, you know, while we were out deer hunting.

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The one thing I noticed is there's
far less people hunting this year than we

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had in the past. And the
one thing is is they could be out

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in the middle of nowhere on these
little forestry roads and basically i'd probably say

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about half the people are just about
fifty two one hundred and fifty yards from

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their vehicles. No one's going deep
down into these mountains, so there's plenty

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of places there where people could be
both deer and other animals could be hidden

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away. And you know, people
just aren't walking through these wild areas anymore,

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which is kind of a good thing. But you know, if you're

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a hunter, i'd probably say,
you know, get down there and check

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it out. Yeah. I guess
one of the things I've heard from many

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folks that were out there this weekend, Matt was not a lot of success

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in getting which is you know,
could be problematic for us. You know,

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come the end of the season,
and vehicle incidents end up becoming a

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lot more prominent. Oh sure,
yea sad when you can hit one with

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a truck better than you could shoot
one. Well, yeah, you know,

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from time to time, these things
happen. We have Henry May back

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with us this week. Guys,
Henry, how you doing, buddy.

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I'm doing quite well a little chili, but I'm doing quite well. Thanks.

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Oh chili. Yeah, he's forty
and here listen advance. It's thirty

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one degrees there he said, that's
cold. Yeah, thirty one. Yeah,

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it's sixteen and getting colder. So
so last week, guys, we

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talked about the fifty years of high
strangeness, right, the Bigfoot UFO flap

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of the seventies, Westmoreland County,
Pennsylvania and other places around the United States,

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things happening in Mississippi with UFOs,
things happening in Illinois, and interesting

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enough, fans, both you and
James both mentioned the Murphy's Boro Big Muddy

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Monster, right, the big Muddy
River Monster. And so I was like,

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well, why don't we why don't
we get these folks together talk about

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this, And since you and Baker, you know, kind of let us

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down, this rabbit hole. Vance. You're an Illinois boy, why don't

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you set the stage for us?
Well, Murphy's Borough, Illinois is in

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southern central Illinois. Now, once
you get a lot of people, a

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lot of people think of Illinois is
yeah, it's flatland and Chicago. It's

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a perception that you get from It's
kind of the perception that a lot of

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people get of Illinois. It's a
cornfield. And then you get the city

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of Chicago. Once you get to
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you start to get into the beginning
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Mississippi River, and it is a
lot of rural land in that area.

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And Murphy's Borough is just south of
central Illinois, and I've been down that

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way. There is just an extensive
forest lands through there, especially in the

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Shawnee National Forest. And of course, back in seventy two and nineteen seventy

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three came these reports out of Murphy's
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but still in the province, of
a creature that seemed to be white haired

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or a gray colored creature that was
coated in mud. And there was a

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couple The story actually started out with
a couple that were kind of, you

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know, in a remote area and
having their private moments. Yeah, their

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lover's lane, I said in the
news report last episode show. They were

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not married, but yet they were
they were married to other people. Is

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that relevant, No, it's not
really relevant, but yes, they were

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kind of having their own little escapade
in this remote area where there was what

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seems to be a boat launch area
and they heard screaming around right, and

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and smells coming from the vehicle they
heard. They heard, Yeah, they

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heard screaming. They heard screaming from
the woodline, and they both went a

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creature that was six to seven feet
tall, light hair in cover in color

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and kind of impacted in mud,
which you know, I've seen videos of

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Great Pyrenees dogs. They're pretty big
dogs. They're white colored haired, and

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you know, they like to romp
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and dirty. That's kind of how
I pictured what it was that they were

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trying to describe that there was a
lot of dirt and mud packed in the

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hair, and this thing approached the
car and they ended up fleeing the area

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and made their police report with Officer
man warning and he investigated from there on

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forward, and the story continues from
there on forward. But again, this

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happened in nineteen seventy three. Yeah, and there's a lot of other attributes

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to this, but I want want
to kind of focus on Big Muddy to

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begin with, because Sean, you
did share the brief documentary on Big Muddy,

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which I would invite all of our
listeners and watchers to go ahead to

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YouTube and link into watching the documentary
on Big Muddy, because it is pretty

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interesting on how many people saw this
creature and had the same relevance in their

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reports to the original report and how
many that did actually come in. And

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I found that kind of interesting within
itself. So there are a couple resources

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I'm going to point our listeners to. There's a book out called The Big

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Muddy Monster Legend, Sightings and Other
Encounters by Chad Lewis, Noah Vass,

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and Kevin Lee Nelson that was done
by our friends that Beyond the Freight Publishing.

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That's a great book on the subject. There's also a documentary out there

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that I did post for the for
the so they could check it out before

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we came on and did this show. That's a good documentary. I don't

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think you folks should sleep on it. I think you should go out and

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check it out. What is a
creature of creature for Big Money? Yeah,

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and that's done. That features the
hosts of the authors of the book

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in the documentary as well. And
then if you're following along in the chat

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room or the livestream, Baker posted
a link to Murphysboro dot com where you

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can actually go and download the case
file of the Big Money Monster, which

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is just it's it's amazing. It's
chock full of information. You can read

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the police reports, which I think
is funny is and they're compiled in that

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port and that report. They're out
of the sink. They're not chronological in

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terms of their dating right. But
also, Henry, before we go too

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far into this, you and I
discovered something in tonight. Yes we did

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out this tone right here, the
Historical Bigfoot by Chad Armott. If you

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haven't checked it out, as Baker
says, you guys, get the full

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frontal and the girth. Look at
the size of this book. That's no

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job ages. But you you switch
over to page oh, you get into

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the three nineties, you start getting
reports of what Henry, big Monster,

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Big Muddy Monster reports. They called
it the thing or the what's that coin?

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Is that the town du Kwan?
Wow? That's uh good question.

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I can't pronounce it outside of yeah, outside of Murphy's Burrow, and I

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can't give you any more. Right, Carbondale kind of tied in with the

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police officer that was a canine trainer
that brought the dog down into Murphy's Burrow

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and the canine just you know,
it picked up the scent. It started

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to follow the scent all the way
up to an abandoned barn, and once

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it got to the barn, it
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And so Officer man Warning, who
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ended up going into the barn with
the flashlight and looked around with the

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flashlight, did not see anything at
the time, and then he evacuated the

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area. But there were photographs taken
of strange footprints outside of the barn area.

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Go ahead, James, did you
want to say something, Baker,

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did you want to say something?
Well, it's it's just very unique that

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this particular creature there were there are
parts of the story that I noticed that

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really stuck out to me. Was
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guess a phrase I'm going to use, because it was it was mainly white,

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and the fact that in a wooded
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more. But then in a way, if you look at all the reports,

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most of them were saying that it
covered itself with mud, So I

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wonder if that was a defensive thing, you know, when it went out

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of its direct area to try to
cut down on all the white. The

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other thing I noticed was is when
you read the reports, and you read

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a lot of the you watch the
videos, this creature seemed more aggressive a

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lot of times when you see you
hear the Bigfoot stories and we and I'll

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look back to this in a minute, but like a lot of times when

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we have these conversations about the Bigfoot
stories, there's curiosity, there's food wanting,

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there's things like that. A lot
of these people were like, I

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had a really uneasy feeling and when
I saw it, it was coming at

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me. It wasn't just like,
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the one thing is we had this
conversation last week, and I think it's

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one that we need to keep having
because you've got to realize that it's not

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like when you report a bigfoot today, where I have four hundred million pictures

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I could look at or I could
make AI think that it is. These

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people in seventy three, nineteen sixties, nineteen fifties, they had no clue

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what that was. You know.
They were out in the woods with guns

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for various reasons, you know.
And the thing was is that like they

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saw these things, and they were
like half of them didn't say anything,

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and the other half that did say
stuff, they were like they all had

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the same story, but they had
no references like we have today. So

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and even the video points out goes, nobody's stupid enough to put on some

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monkey hair and go out there because
we were shooting. Yeah, well,

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there was a report of that that
came out of Murphy's Burrow that no one

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of the researchers said he knew an
individual that was perpetrating this hoax by wearing

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a suit. But again everybody there
was armed. I don't know what kind

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of suicidal point you would want to
take yourself to to put on a suit

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to be a hoaxer and then take
the chance of being shot and killed,

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unless you were suicidal. I don't
know, but the suit idea bothers me

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because there's no reference to, oh
hey, it's got to look this like

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this or that that. It's not
like today where we could make a patty

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suit. Being Henry in the backyard
could whip one out because we have enough

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information in a hobby lobby. Okay, it isn't back it isn't. It

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isn't back then, where you know
they you know, they they didn't do

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those kinds of things because you know, they even hit the resources then,

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and also they had more brains than
that because they were like, I'm not

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going to dress like a bear during
bear season. I'm not going to dress

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like furry animal during deer season.
You know that's how Chuck got killed because

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he wasn't wearing enough orange. What
existed in nineteen seventy Yeah, you know,

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well go ahead and sorry, I
want to hear. Yeah, no,

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only do we have a guy wearing
a suit. They also explaining that

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someone had set up a loud speaker
out there with broadcasting supposed vocalizations. You

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know what's funny about that? Henry, and I'm just going to go off

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with a tangent here about that,
and Matt I've said this to you numerous

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times about videos where there's a lot
of vocalizations. I think nine times out

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of ten. Today, when we
get a lot of these vocalizations that sound

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like they've been from somewhere else,
it's because they're being projected from behind the

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person with the cell phone. Yeah, I mean that that's happening more and

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more. But the fact that you
know, they accuse somebody of putting a

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loud speaker in the woods in the
seventies, to me, I don't know,

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that's just a little it's not outside
the realm. But it ain't as

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easy to do today then it is
today. Either you have to be committed

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to pull that hoax off. At
that point, you need a power supply

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of that, Yeah, a hell
of a power supply. Yeah. Power

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then, But you and I prove
that on my land, like we we

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hear where it's coming from, but
then when I located it is and where

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I thought it was, right,
you know, that's a good point.

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No, no, not at all, And that's a that's a great point.

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It's very hard for us to pinpoint
where vocalization or or where where noise

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unless you have three people there that you

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can actually go in and try to
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in the woods, if you're trying
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the nineteen seventies, you would need
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you had unless you had a power
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we were up in pot County over
this past weekend, there's no power

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lines, there's no electric and even
now, you know, basically the quietest

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thing I might be able to run
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regular power pact. That technology was
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for people to go out there and
say again, unless it's near town and

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they can there's a garage or a
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the electric, I can see that. But if it's out in the middle

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of the of the Shawnee National Forest, it's it's not going to happen.

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History when did they start making the
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That's the only thing I could think
of is either like east or a radio

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check. We saw those big recorders
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But at the same time, is
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yeah, audio audio a bullhorn has
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would be able to know whether it's
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amplification, or somebody using the bullhorn. And again we're talking about loud,

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loud vocalization, so the bullhorn.
I automatically took that out because that's not

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going to be able to have that
far reaching effect as something that would be

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similar to maybe like a fire a
whistle that you that you see in talents.

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M h. Now, there was
a vocalization that Vance had found that

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you sent to me. Did you
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and do you still have it?
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it to me. I'll see if
I can upload it and play. Yeah,

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we can do that, because I
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because here's the deal. I don't
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though ninety eight percent of the vocalizations
we play on the show could eventually be

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determined to be bullshit. One day
I do it was described as was the

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only known vocalization of big muddy at
the time. So I can't discredit it

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at the time because I don't know
who was out there recording it on an

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analog recorder. We don't have enough
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a couple of points before we end
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interesting. Now, from Murphy'sboro,
Illinois, if you go less than two

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hundred miles directly north, you come
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the same time, and there's over
two hundred reports of the Coal Hollow Monster

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of the same description and light hair
colored and mud covered in the same time

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period. But yet this is just
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Borough. And with those reports,
I've gone down there, I investigated.

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I spoke to a researcher that took
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he gave me the history of what
was seen there, very similar to

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what happened in Murphy's Borough. But
now if you go west, just directly

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southwest, you come into one hundred
and fifty miles from that point, you

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come into where Momo was recorded at
the same time period, in the seventy

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two to seventy three period of Momo. What's the name of the hill,

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Marzoul Hill. Yeah, all these
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Okay, now I'm going back to
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Again. I don't know what to
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happened in the same time period.
And the thing is with the Cole Hollow

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monster. The footprints that were photographed
and taken from that showed a three toed

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creature momo apparently from witnesses, had
three appendages on its hands. Is this

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the same family that has just kind
of spread out or is this the same

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creature that's traveling, you know,
three hundred miles in the same region of

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Illinois and Missouri. So there's another
book about a question. But right there,

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there's another book out there from Daniel
Green that you can get called Far

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Out Shaggy Funky Monsters of what it
is History of Bigfoot in the seventies,

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and I think, folks again,
if you like compete, you know,

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compediums. Here you go one hundred
and eighty eight pages. The book's going

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for seventy five dollars right now on
Amazon. But yeah, you didn't get

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copies of it, I believe at
the International Cryptozoology Museum courtesy of Lauren Coleman.

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So don't jack up those prices,
Lauren, if I need to get

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one. But I mean again,
I think it's it would you know,

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benefit folks to you know, find
these resources like the historical Bigfoot, the

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you know, we're putting the data
out there for as you can make up

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your own mind. But you can
get some more of this story in this

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rich history because some strange stuff.
Once again, what's going on in the

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seventies, And I can't you know, quantify that with one particular answer.

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I just want to map there.
I I just want to make your correlation

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between what Vance was was talking about
with the sightings that occurred that year,

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all within a certain radius. When
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was signed to a game commissioned officer
and we were talking about the Elk Kurt

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and about how they're they're moving throughout
Pennsylvania. The one thing he brought up

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was the elk movet They can move
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we have, you know, we
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that I thought was really interesting and
it really kind of ties in with the

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Big Bunny monster is generally when they're
traveling, they're not going up on the

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ridgetops, They're traveling along the creeks
in the rivers. So we have,

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you know, throughout that whole basin, you know, throughout the Mississippi and

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the Ohio River basin, we have
animals that are going to travel these creeks

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lending to you know, in you
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through July, we may be down
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in you know, another part of
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same stretch. But you can almost
put a put a map out and actually

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map where these where these things occurred, and it would fall in line with

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an animal's route of migration. All
right, No, I totally agree,

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because there is water tributaries between Peoria, Illinois and Murphy's Borough, and then

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you have the Mississippi River that takes
you close from Murphy'sboro up to where Momo

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was seen. So yeah, you
have that triangulation of water. It's I

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don't know, I don't know what
to make of it other than the fact

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that this is a fantastic mystery.
Is it the same creature or is it

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the same family of creature? We'll
find out. Right after this, we're

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going to take a break and go
to the big footballborn smoke them if you

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got them, folks, we'll be
back in six minutes and fifty nine seconds.

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Testeve a symbol. Ah, yes, it is another fine addition.

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Could I say fine, I meant
average. We could change it to fancy,

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you know, like your ketchup says
fancy, fancy ketchup? What is

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that a fancy ketchup? Another fine
addition, average edition or fancy edition of

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the Big Distraction Bigfoot Bullhorn, exclusively
on the Sasquatch experience. I hope you

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all had a wonderful Thanksgiving and a
nice weekend to relax and recover. Show

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a hands, how many still have
leftovers in the refrigerator? Or did you

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take him out and put him on
the back porch and habit you at a

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bigfoot? The need Thanksgiving to you
know, But I digress. I became

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a US an article from Smithsonian magazine. Yes, I fancy magazine in my

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fancy house, and this is kind
of an interesting article. Scientists created a

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monkey with two different sets of DNA. So called chimeric monkeys could help scientists

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understand human diseases and aid in conversation
efforts. But the research raises ethical questions.

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You know, we have a friend, Maz Adams, who was into

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the whole Planet of the Apes franchise. You would think maybe science should take

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a look at these movies, going
what are we doing here? The Rise

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of Caesar and the next thing,
you know, will be the subspecies,

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just like science is digging up these
viruses that have been frozen in the permafrost

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for thousands and thousands of years in
the Antarctica. Oh, let's revive these

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viruses. They're dangerous, They're frozen
for a reason. But again, I

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digress. Now have created a monkey
with two different sets of DNA by injecting

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stem cells from one monkey embryo into
another of the same species. This method

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has been used in ransom mice before, but the recent feet marks the first

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time ever that it has been successful
in another animal, including primates. Scientists

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say the breakthrough could help with medical
research in the future. This is a

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long sought goal in the field.
Zen Lu of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

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Oh yeah, because nothing bad has
ever come out of China. According

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to a statement, this work could
help us generate more precise monkey models for

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studying neurological diseases as well as for
other biomedicine studies. Yeah, I'm going

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to offer you a big bag of
nopes on this now. To create the

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monkey chimera, Lou and his colleagues
removed stem cells from seven day old embryos

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of long tailed macaques. Yes is
it ruh? When are you looking at

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macox? They labeled these with green
fluorescent proteins so that any tissue the cells

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created in the chimeric monkey could be
visually identified later. However, the monkey

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had to be euthanized after ten days
due to breathing issues and hypothermia, which

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some scientists say highlights ethical concerns in
this type of research. According to carrissult

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Well thanks Mance for that marvelous bigfoot
bullhorn. Your humor is insular,

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but we appreciate you. Nonetheless,
I appreciate it. So while we were

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on break, I did load up
that audio. If you guys wanted to

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take a get listen to that?
Do you have? Yeah? Yeah,

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all right, here we go.
This is called the Big Muddy Monster Murphy's

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Burrow sound file, so called.
What is that machinery sound in the back?

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Who knows? I have? I'm
goin to think that that's the recorder

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because back then we had the tape
recorders and and you would yeah, essentially,

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Yes, Matt is spot on with
that assessment right there. I agree

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that background noise is probably the recorder, But that that sounds interesting, like

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is it is it beyond the realm
of a person being able to make that

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no I think, you know,
we could you know, you know what

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I mean, if we really tried
to. You know, some of you

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never heard Baker after a taco bell
breakfast, like it could be trust that

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far. It could be. I
mean, it could be replicated. But

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it's interesting. Nonetheless, though considering
the time it was taken, and again,

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think about this though, think about
a consideration, guys, the time

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upon which these these were recorded,
right, They didn't have a lot to

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base things off of. M No, so the likelihood of it being a

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hoax today maybe more likely, But
back then I'm a little skeptical about that

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though. I don't have enough detail
about the incident upon which those sound recordings

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were taken, all right, And
that was only one file, Sean,

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that was only one file that was
labeled as the only known recording of Big

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Muddy, So you know, how
was recorded, what it was recorded on,

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those details are not given at the
time, but we'll just leave it

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lay as what it is. That
yeah, because that recording had been generated

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years ago and then it was you
know, uploaded again on a YouTube file.

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But that's an older recording. So
I can't say, yeah, that

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is what it is, and nor
can you or anybody else here. But

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it is interesting to the fact that
it is stated that this is the only

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known recording of Big Money. We'll
play that one more time here for folks

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that might just be joining us again
from the break. There's that file for

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you, folks if you're just joining
us. So I don't know either way.

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There's a serious lung capacity there,
I stop. There is some serious

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lung capacity, and with all the
recordings that we've heard from you know,

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all points of the United States and
around the world, it's the lung capacity

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00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:20.559
and the roar that you do here
is very overwhelming for a person to try

407
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:25.280
to replicate that, even if they
were using modified amplifiers of some sort,

408
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:30.039
I don't think you would be able
to tell the difference between an amplified voice

409
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:36.119
and that that's captured out in the
wild. I think, especially then at

410
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.920
that time, you would. But
what's interesting about these vocalizations is from the

411
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:44.360
onset of those folks that were out
there, you know, romping by the

412
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:50.360
river and they're approached by Big Muddy, you know, they notate the sound,

413
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:53.880
right, the roar from this thing. And then as the police officers

414
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.840
and need them, the guys,
the witnesses, last name was, need

415
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:01.599
them as they're following, you know, the trails of this creature one hundred

416
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.800
yards away out of the woods,
comes that same sound, and need them

417
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.559
instantaneously recognizes that sound. Is that's
the same sound bitch that was down there,

418
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.000
you know, breaking up minookie time. You know, like, so

419
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:19.000
they're there, you know, it
was a distinct sound. It's not like

420
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:23.519
again, we hear these sounds all
the time. We're a little desensitized to

421
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:28.480
it. But put yourselves in that
position in that time frame. You're gonna

422
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.719
hear that sound once and some bitch, you're gonna hear it again. It's

423
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.719
gonna resonate with you. You know
it's gonna stick right. No, that's

424
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:39.559
a very good point. And again, what the capacity and the volume,

425
00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:45.519
Even if that's recorded on a you
know, a cassette tape at the time,

426
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.719
which would have been the probably the
most popular way of recording at that

427
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:57.719
time. Hence the Sierra Sounds,
the volume that seems to come across on

428
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:02.400
that microphone is sewing intense. It's
like, what kind of effort are you

429
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:07.239
going to put into it to try
to hoax something like this? I don't

430
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.920
know, I don't know. I
know the people of the area, and

431
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:19.719
it seems that that would not have
been the mainstream choice at the time,

432
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:24.639
especially in the seventies. I think
they would have captured whatever they captured and

433
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:32.079
would have either kept it and transposed
it to the public in the two thousands

434
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:38.079
and say hey, I captured this
back in the nineteen seventies on my cassette

435
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:43.239
tape or am I reel to reel, even though people didn't bring real to

436
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:45.840
reel with them at the time.
It was a cassette recorder at the time,

437
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:53.960
but you can still hear the intense
volume. So fair enough, Henry

438
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:59.119
again, Yeah, Henry, when
we were going to go in there,

439
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.719
you wanted to make a point about
the coloration, and Baker touched on it

440
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:07.199
just briefly, but you wanted to
talk about the rarity of it being a

441
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:15.000
white hominid. Yeah, it's not
very common to hear about white sassquatch being

442
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.559
seen, but what I saw in
nineteen ninety eight was a dirty white color.

443
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.880
But you don't hear about it very
often. The fact, in John

444
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:29.840
Green's files, I think only about
eight ten percent what was in his files

445
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:36.079
is white colored individuals. What is
interesting, Henry, and we had talked

446
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:38.840
about this in the past, is
that those of them that are lighter in

447
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:45.079
color and the white color tend to
be more aggressive. They tend to display

448
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:50.119
a more outward aggressive behavior in the
interactions that are notated, the one from

449
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:54.719
nineteen seventy three, Lauren Coleman did
a sketch of it, and I've done

450
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.000
a sketch of it, and others
have done a sketch of it where this

451
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.880
thing grips its claws into the back
of a car, you know, kind

452
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.679
of ripping the metal as it's going
after these folks, you know, indicating

453
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.679
some strength and some you know,
you know, violent tendencies. But the

454
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:14.559
creatures of the white coloration have a
tendency to be, at least in the

455
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.079
reporting, is a little bit more
aggressive. And one would think they'd have

456
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:19.880
to because, as Baker pointed out, you know, they're a lot more

457
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.239
vulnerable to the surroundings that they're in. You know, things with the albinism

458
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:28.719
or later color don't have a long
lifespan in the wild. They stick out

459
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.079
there an aberration and they tend to
get picked off pretty quickly. You know.

460
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:36.840
Think about that. And you know, if you're trying to be as

461
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.320
elusive as possible, you know,
being a big, white, seven foot

462
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:45.440
tall, three hundred plus pound creature
is going to help that. But if

463
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:52.039
you look at it in the human
aspect, I think seniors and senior citizen

464
00:41:52.360 --> 00:42:00.280
to be more specific, can be
more aggressive to protect their domain of my

465
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:07.639
exactly. And I'm not saying,
you know because for some reason, you

466
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:15.239
know, over the years, YETI
is referred to, Oh, the culture

467
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:20.000
has turned the yetti into a white
hair colored creature. I don't think that's

468
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.760
what the case is. I think
the white hair colored creature may be either

469
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:30.159
one of two things, either an
elder that is very agitated or it's an

470
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:36.639
albino. Well, albinoism is kind
of a more of a rare aspect in

471
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:40.679
the animal kingdom and does not seem
to happen. But if you have an

472
00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:47.400
elder that is gray in color from
age, it can be more aggressive to

473
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:53.800
just be left alone, and if
you're within its confines, it may step

474
00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.960
up and say, no, I'm
not having anything to do with you,

475
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.039
leave me alone. When you're trying
to you know, we're trying to correlate

476
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:05.880
some behavior to you know, physical
attribute to the creature. If you're joining

477
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:10.039
us with the human nature right right, the reality is we just don't know.

478
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.519
We're you know, grasping for straws
here. But I mean it's the

479
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.480
straws that we could grasp it again
with. Another interesting note is through the

480
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:22.079
files of the Big Muddy Monster,
the University of Chicago Department of Biology,

481
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.920
Lee Van Vanalen, the associate professor, writes, dear mister Berger, who

482
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.320
was the chief of Police of Murphysboro, Illinois as of November twelfth, nineteen

483
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:35.119
seventy three. I have recently heard
of your creature, which could be of

484
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.519
considerable scientific interest. There have been
many reports of such animals, but no

485
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:44.360
real specimens have ever been available for
scientific study. The reports are often thought

486
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.559
to be due to bears, men
living wild in the woods, hoaxes,

487
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.679
and the like. Therefore, the
very existence of such a creature is questionable,

488
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:53.800
and its relationships to other animals would
be of some interest. If it

489
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:58.760
is real, the creature is shot, it is important that it not be

490
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.760
buried unless it's a man of course, discarded or given to sensation seekers.

491
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:07.559
It should be embalmed or otherwise preserved
in good condition. It would be preferable

492
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.480
for the undertaker to ship it to
me or some other refutable scientists, because

493
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:15.719
it's study will need laboratory equipment and
other materials. But if this cannot be

494
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.920
done, I will come myself and
arrange matters. I guarantee payment of such

495
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.480
expenses involved in making a real specimen
available for scientific study. Sincerely, Yours,

496
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:30.679
Leavan Valalin, Associate Professor. So
you have a legitimate university writing a

497
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:34.199
letter to the chief of police saying, you know what you get the son

498
00:44:34.239 --> 00:44:37.559
of a bitch, We're going to
come collect it for you, right,

499
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:45.519
and that you know that kind of
that's impactful for a lot of reasons because

500
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.239
at that time a lot of institutions
weren't taking it seriously. Right, But

501
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:52.599
you have one professor out there,
and you know, we should find out

502
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:58.320
what happened to doctor Lee van Valen
and see if they ever, you know,

503
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:04.800
stayed in the peripheral of the research. Well Officer man Warning, who

504
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:10.559
was on call and on duty at
the time and had taken the top lead

505
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:16.519
on the research. Matt, you're
be more in tune with what that type

506
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:22.159
of rank would be called. But
he was the one that was called to

507
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:29.159
investigate this, and Man Warning had
made a couple of comments to the fact

508
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:35.480
that when he went out and researched, he did come across some creepy evidence

509
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:40.559
of slime and hair on the trees
following the trail where the thing was seen

510
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.079
by a couple of teenagers sitting on
their back porch when this first happened with

511
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:50.440
Big Muddy, and they saw it
on the tree line, and of course

512
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.480
they freaked out and they called the
police and man warning had come out there

513
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:59.880
and he had followed with flashlights.
Now back then they didn't have the LED

514
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:06.559
flashlights. They just add standard battery
incandescent flashlights. But he did come across

515
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.960
evidence on the trees of a slime
and a horrible smell and some hair.

516
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:20.800
You know, that may all lead
back to a very relevant case to say,

517
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:27.280
well maybe there is something here.
I agree. And you know,

518
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:32.159
it's funny because when I was looking
at the information about the slime, most

519
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.960
of us are going to say slime. You know, it could be anything.

520
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.920
It could be mucus, it could
be whatever sort of bodily exertion.

521
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:46.400
But one thing that it kind of
perplexes me a little bit about this is

522
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:52.199
maybe it's not so much slime as
much as maybe like a wax or because

523
00:46:53.239 --> 00:47:00.760
we've heard so much about oils that
are being emitted in sometimes it's a little

524
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:06.119
more with these unknown creatures and the
name of it. Doug was talking about

525
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:10.679
it. Yes, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I can't.

526
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:16.239
I've been offered last week. Saw
my mind's kind of not in uh work

527
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:21.639
mode right now. But but again, we do have humans to secrete this.

528
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:25.760
But it seems that it's more secreted, you know, from these creatures,

529
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.679
which is similar to what I'll go
back to small town monsters. When

530
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.920
yes up at the uh up at
the Alaska Dark Alaska and when they had

531
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.840
the handprint that that was up on
the on the side of the cabin and

532
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.719
they were able to actually collect that. Now it could be maybe rather than

533
00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:51.519
slime, it's more of like a
waxy type substance. But but neither here

534
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:57.599
nor there. What what really surprised
me was how they how that department actually

535
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:02.519
handled this. They handled it respect
and I'll give a lot of credit to

536
00:48:02.599 --> 00:48:07.480
Murphy Spurrow and even today, well
I can't say today, but I'll go

537
00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:10.880
to like Whitehall, New York,
whoa, whoa, the way that their

538
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:20.559
officers handled that. So anyways,
but that's my two cents about you know,

539
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.760
Murphy Spurrow did a fantastic job.
They may not have had a full

540
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:29.280
time investigator, so it may have
been a patrolman or corporal, a sergeant

541
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.920
that was assigned to do the follow
ups. But again, you know,

542
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.199
I think they handled handled themselves as
best they could in nineteen seventy three.

543
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:45.000
Well, and consider the fact that
if you get a report, especially in

544
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:51.199
that timeframe and the police department gets
through. They don't have a protocol set

545
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.760
up on how to deal with this. They didn't. All they could do

546
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:59.519
is the best that they could with
what they had at the time, and

547
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:04.960
they would either audio or handwrite their
report. Correct. That's the best that

548
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.920
they had it because they weren't expecting
any of this. Correct. And and

549
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:16.679
again, what is the even now? What's the protocol for even with someone

550
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:22.320
like PSP or any of the other
state agencies, they don't have a protocol.

551
00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.079
You know, maybe the only one
that might would be Washington or Oregon.

552
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:29.000
You know, I'm sure that maybe
there's some sort of you know,

553
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.239
protocol that they would have, But
as for any other states, I I'm

554
00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:38.039
not aware of any. No,
we were a perplextion when we had the

555
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:44.880
monkeys escape from the from that truck
accident last year, so very much so.

556
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.159
Yes, Or the minx that are
still people because they're still absolutely not

557
00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:57.000
the minx to people. Yes,
But wouldn't that fall under like like fishing

558
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.480
and game and animal control. I
mean you would think they're might be some

559
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:06.440
side like they don't call it sasquatch
protocol, they call it large animal protocol

560
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:08.239
like you would think that, you
know, because the government a lot of

561
00:50:08.239 --> 00:50:13.760
times will do things that are so
obvious they just hide the name so you

562
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.000
don't notice it right away. Yeah, you know what I mean. Ye

563
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.239
w Morgan described what they do in
Ohio, at least in one county Ohio.

564
00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:27.719
They say the black cows are out
again. That's their polar call name

565
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:35.159
for sasquatch signings. You gotta be
careful of those black cows. An incident,

566
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.559
that's what we did. The officer
that had a pattern of black cow

567
00:50:39.679 --> 00:50:51.920
assassination. And there it is not
untrue, not untrue. We digress sometimes,

568
00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:54.440
but you know, to Matt's point, I do have to give some

569
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:59.639
you know, accommendation to the Murphysboro
Police Department because they did handle this from

570
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:04.800
the begin very well, very smartly, very seriously, and probably the example

571
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:07.760
of how police departments really should take
this, you know, seriously. And

572
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:12.440
they did a fantastic job. Even
the reports are written not tongue in cheek,

573
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.760
written as a regular police report,
as if it was being reported as

574
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:20.440
a crime or an incident. And
you can go to that website that Baker

575
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.880
posted in the chat earlier. I'll
have it in the show notes, so

576
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.400
you can, if you're listening to
this in the podcast form, you can

577
00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:30.159
go back and visit those files because
they're just really see and they're also in

578
00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.320
that files or letters that were written
to the chief from all over the country,

579
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.119
all over the world, people sending
in their questions or sending in their

580
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:44.280
insights, and they were all compiled
and put into that file that Murphy's Burrow

581
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:46.400
just puts out on the internet.
You know, they're proud of this creature.

582
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:52.360
There's a festival that happens. They
have embraced this like other small towns

583
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:57.679
across the country have embraced their weirdness. And that all came about from the

584
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:04.440
fact that Murphy's Burrow. According to
Officer man Warning said, that was the

585
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:10.719
most requested police reports that they have
ever had in any of their cases that

586
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:17.480
they've had, you know, regarding
criminal cases and accident cases. This is

587
00:52:17.519 --> 00:52:23.199
the most requested case that they have
had from all over the country, from

588
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:29.320
California to New York. It's got
wide appeal. They've been barraged with,

589
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.039
you know, requests for this report. Think about this, if you were

590
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:38.519
a teacher and you were trying to
educate students about cryptozoology, and you had

591
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:45.320
this great mystery report that happened relatively
PG nothing you know, out of the

592
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:51.159
ordinary or incessively violent. It's a
great case to share with students, it

593
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:55.400
really is. And I mean it's
a great you know, the documentaries they

594
00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:59.960
made about it have been very good, so it's not like it's not an

595
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.440
interesting story. So I can see
why it has a lot of appeal to

596
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.480
it. Plus the freaks like us, we're worse than the true crime nuts

597
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.119
if you watch the video. One
thing I did notice, and a lot

598
00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:15.760
of the witnesses said, or the
or the descendants of witnesses and things like

599
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:20.760
that, they said the town wouldn't
put up with them doing it half ass.

600
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.039
They didn't want anybody being a grifter
or anything like that. They weren't

601
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:28.280
going to be made fun of.
So if the police were going to file

602
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.679
reports, they were going to make
them accurate. So in a way,

603
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:36.079
it was it was actually there was
like a spotlight on those police officers to

604
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.079
do it right, because the town
itself wasn't going to be made fun of.

605
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:45.599
MM. You know a copy,
all right, pick up a copy

606
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:53.000
of The Big Money Monster. That's
the book that's get yourself the documentary Big

607
00:53:53.039 --> 00:53:57.599
Money Creature, Big Money Book,
right, and and and go out and

608
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.599
do some work with this. Folks, get yourself embraced it, enjoy it.

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And you know, we're just giving
you a quick overlay of the story

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because you know there's tons of information
out there. This book itself has some

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great historical you know, sy I'll
give you one here quick before we we

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roll off the air. Here of
Mercclesborough, Illinois, The Independent Standard from

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September thirty, nineteen forty two.
State police today presume the silver Monster had

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left Perry County, but we're not
certain he had been here at all.

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Tales of a monster marauding through Perry
County mirrors similar reports to SHT. Sheriff

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Henry Anderson Nashville that a seven foot
like creature was terrorizing Washington County last week.

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Please believe the monster to be an
escape circus or zoo ape. And

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there we go again. These damn
things get you know, read as gorillas

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or apes because guys, guess what, back up until that time, that's

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what they were. That kind of
starts of it to the point that Henry

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and I were trying to make earlier
and I think we went through it.

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That nineteen seventy three might have been
the first real story that kind of set

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off the excitement around it, but
it wasn't the first stories of a Muddy

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Muddy River monster, right, And
one story from nineteen seventy three was that

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a carnival worker it spotted one of
these inspired the creature watching these Shetland ponies

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as the carnivals creepy creepy carneys.
Yeah. Well again, and this ties

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into the you know, like I
brought up earlier, the Cole Hollow Road

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monster just south of Peoria, Illinois, with the same type of description,

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you know again, and then you'd
go one hundred one hundred and fifty miles

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southeast or I'm sorry, yeah,
southwest of that area and you come into

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Momo. I keep wanting to try
correlation. Are all of these three sightings

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related to each other as the same
individual or the same family. Well,

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the reports differ with Momo compared to
what they're seeing at Muddy River, But

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we're gonna have to We're gonna have
to explore that though. And I think

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because there's so many reports out there
in the Cole Hollow creature vans, we

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ought to do a show on that
too. But next week, next week,

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guys, we're going to be taking
a look into just you know,

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some Bigfoot supposition, Bigfoot after death. What do Bigfoot do with their dead?

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As one of the biggest questions has
been why have we not found a

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body? The five of us are
going to talk next week about different theories

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and different thoughts we have on what
happens to Bigfoot after they expire. And

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honestly, this report comes this report, this request came from one of our

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until next week. You know,
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there. And that's pretty much all
I got for the night. Henry,

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take us out with that dulcet tones. You'll be good. It'd be good.

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