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Sasquatch Experience. On Monday, November twenty seven, twenty twenty three. Happy
Belated Turkey Day to all those who celebrated the United States version of Thanksgiving.
Gentlemen, it was good to talk with you over the weekend and share our
Thanksgiving goodness. And here we are what's becoming a routine Monday night for Sasquatch
experience Again about it? It seems that way. Yeah, yeah, it's
a regular visitation. I guess we want to get into your living room and
you know, share with you the weird and anomalous bigfoot stuff, right anomalists,
Here we are. Let us see here we are at the Annimal Studios.
Well I am, I am, but we've got matted down there.
One two for the price of one. As Baker said before we went on
the air, you got full frontal and wide angle, so you got all
me whichever way you like me. I'm there. It's also hunting Pennsylvania our
friends in the Keystone State, So be careful out there and safe. Matt
so far, it's been pretty quiet from any kind of injury reporting, So
that's a good thing this year so far. That's always a good thing.
So just a quick update. I was up in our area and we put
boots on the ground, you know, while we were out deer hunting.
The one thing I noticed is there's far less people hunting this year than we
had in the past. And the one thing is is they could be out
in the middle of nowhere on these little forestry roads and basically i'd probably say
about half the people are just about fifty two one hundred and fifty yards from
their vehicles. No one's going deep down into these mountains, so there's plenty
of places there where people could be both deer and other animals could be hidden
away. And you know, people just aren't walking through these wild areas anymore,
which is kind of a good thing. But you know, if you're
a hunter, i'd probably say, you know, get down there and check
it out. Yeah. I guess one of the things I've heard from many
folks that were out there this weekend, Matt was not a lot of success
in getting which is you know, could be problematic for us. You know,
come the end of the season, and vehicle incidents end up becoming a
lot more prominent. Oh sure, yea sad when you can hit one with
a truck better than you could shoot one. Well, yeah, you know,
from time to time, these things happen. We have Henry May back
with us this week. Guys, Henry, how you doing, buddy.
I'm doing quite well a little chili, but I'm doing quite well. Thanks.
Oh chili. Yeah, he's forty and here listen advance. It's thirty
one degrees there he said, that's cold. Yeah, thirty one. Yeah,
it's sixteen and getting colder. So so last week, guys, we
talked about the fifty years of high strangeness, right, the Bigfoot UFO flap
of the seventies, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania and other places around the United States,
things happening in Mississippi with UFOs, things happening in Illinois, and interesting
enough, fans, both you and James both mentioned the Murphy's Boro Big Muddy
Monster, right, the big Muddy River Monster. And so I was like,
well, why don't we why don't we get these folks together talk about
this, And since you and Baker, you know, kind of let us
down, this rabbit hole. Vance. You're an Illinois boy, why don't
you set the stage for us? Well, Murphy's Borough, Illinois is in
southern central Illinois. Now, once you get a lot of people, a
lot of people think of Illinois is yeah, it's flatland and Chicago. It's
a perception that you get from It's kind of the perception that a lot of
people get of Illinois. It's a cornfield. And then you get the city
of Chicago. Once you get to central and southern Illinois, extreme southern Illinois,
you start to get into the beginning of the Ozarks at the Ohio and
Mississippi River, and it is a lot of rural land in that area.
And Murphy's Borough is just south of central Illinois, and I've been down that
way. There is just an extensive forest lands through there, especially in the
Shawnee National Forest. And of course, back in seventy two and nineteen seventy
three came these reports out of Murphy's Borough, just south of Murphy's Borough,
but still in the province, of a creature that seemed to be white haired
or a gray colored creature that was coated in mud. And there was a
couple The story actually started out with a couple that were kind of, you
know, in a remote area and having their private moments. Yeah, their
lover's lane, I said in the news report last episode show. They were
not married, but yet they were they were married to other people. Is
that relevant, No, it's not really relevant, but yes, they were
kind of having their own little escapade in this remote area where there was what
seems to be a boat launch area and they heard screaming around right, and
and smells coming from the vehicle they heard. They heard, Yeah, they
heard screaming. They heard screaming from the woodline, and they both went a
creature that was six to seven feet tall, light hair in cover in color
and kind of impacted in mud, which you know, I've seen videos of
Great Pyrenees dogs. They're pretty big dogs. They're white colored haired, and
you know, they like to romp around outside and they get mud on themselves
and dirty. That's kind of how I pictured what it was that they were
trying to describe that there was a lot of dirt and mud packed in the
hair, and this thing approached the car and they ended up fleeing the area
and made their police report with Officer man warning and he investigated from there on
forward, and the story continues from there on forward. But again, this
happened in nineteen seventy three. Yeah, and there's a lot of other attributes
to this, but I want want to kind of focus on Big Muddy to
begin with, because Sean, you did share the brief documentary on Big Muddy,
which I would invite all of our listeners and watchers to go ahead to
YouTube and link into watching the documentary on Big Muddy, because it is pretty
interesting on how many people saw this creature and had the same relevance in their
reports to the original report and how many that did actually come in. And
I found that kind of interesting within itself. So there are a couple resources
I'm going to point our listeners to. There's a book out called The Big
Muddy Monster Legend, Sightings and Other Encounters by Chad Lewis, Noah Vass,
and Kevin Lee Nelson that was done by our friends that Beyond the Freight Publishing.
That's a great book on the subject. There's also a documentary out there
that I did post for the for the so they could check it out before
we came on and did this show. That's a good documentary. I don't
think you folks should sleep on it. I think you should go out and
check it out. What is a creature of creature for Big Money? Yeah,
and that's done. That features the hosts of the authors of the book
in the documentary as well. And then if you're following along in the chat
room or the livestream, Baker posted a link to Murphysboro dot com where you
can actually go and download the case file of the Big Money Monster, which
is just it's it's amazing. It's chock full of information. You can read
the police reports, which I think is funny is and they're compiled in that
port and that report. They're out of the sink. They're not chronological in
terms of their dating right. But also, Henry, before we go too
far into this, you and I discovered something in tonight. Yes we did
out this tone right here, the Historical Bigfoot by Chad Armott. If you
haven't checked it out, as Baker says, you guys, get the full
frontal and the girth. Look at the size of this book. That's no
job ages. But you you switch over to page oh, you get into
the three nineties, you start getting reports of what Henry, big Monster,
Big Muddy Monster reports. They called it the thing or the what's that coin?
Is that the town du Kwan? Wow? That's uh good question.
I can't pronounce it outside of yeah, outside of Murphy's Burrow, and I
can't give you any more. Right, Carbondale kind of tied in with the
police officer that was a canine trainer that brought the dog down into Murphy's Burrow
and the canine just you know, it picked up the scent. It started
to follow the scent all the way up to an abandoned barn, and once
it got to the barn, it absolutely refused to go anywhere into the barn.
And so Officer man Warning, who was heading this investigation, you know,
ended up going into the barn with the flashlight and looked around with the
flashlight, did not see anything at the time, and then he evacuated the
area. But there were photographs taken of strange footprints outside of the barn area.
Go ahead, James, did you want to say something, Baker,
did you want to say something? Well, it's it's just very unique that
this particular creature there were there are parts of the story that I noticed that
really stuck out to me. Was is that one the albino ness is I
guess a phrase I'm going to use, because it was it was mainly white,
and the fact that in a wooded area a whiter creature would stick out
more. But then in a way, if you look at all the reports,
most of them were saying that it covered itself with mud, So I
wonder if that was a defensive thing, you know, when it went out
of its direct area to try to cut down on all the white. The
other thing I noticed was is when you read the reports, and you read
a lot of the you watch the videos, this creature seemed more aggressive a
lot of times when you see you hear the Bigfoot stories and we and I'll
look back to this in a minute, but like a lot of times when
we have these conversations about the Bigfoot stories, there's curiosity, there's food wanting,
there's things like that. A lot of these people were like, I
had a really uneasy feeling and when I saw it, it was coming at
me. It wasn't just like, oh, what's that over there. And
the one thing is we had this conversation last week, and I think it's
one that we need to keep having because you've got to realize that it's not
like when you report a bigfoot today, where I have four hundred million pictures
I could look at or I could make AI think that it is. These
people in seventy three, nineteen sixties, nineteen fifties, they had no clue
what that was. You know. They were out in the woods with guns
for various reasons, you know. And the thing was is that like they
saw these things, and they were like half of them didn't say anything,
and the other half that did say stuff, they were like they all had
the same story, but they had no references like we have today. So
and even the video points out goes, nobody's stupid enough to put on some
monkey hair and go out there because we were shooting. Yeah, well,
there was a report of that that came out of Murphy's Burrow that no one
of the researchers said he knew an individual that was perpetrating this hoax by wearing
a suit. But again everybody there was armed. I don't know what kind
of suicidal point you would want to take yourself to to put on a suit
to be a hoaxer and then take the chance of being shot and killed,
unless you were suicidal. I don't know, but the suit idea bothers me
because there's no reference to, oh hey, it's got to look this like
this or that that. It's not like today where we could make a patty
suit. Being Henry in the backyard could whip one out because we have enough
information in a hobby lobby. Okay, it isn't back it isn't. It
isn't back then, where you know they you know, they they didn't do
those kinds of things because you know, they even hit the resources then,
and also they had more brains than that because they were like, I'm not
going to dress like a bear during bear season. I'm not going to dress
like furry animal during deer season. You know that's how Chuck got killed because
he wasn't wearing enough orange. What existed in nineteen seventy Yeah, you know,
well go ahead and sorry, I want to hear. Yeah, no,
only do we have a guy wearing a suit. They also explaining that
someone had set up a loud speaker out there with broadcasting supposed vocalizations. You
know what's funny about that? Henry, and I'm just going to go off
with a tangent here about that, and Matt I've said this to you numerous
times about videos where there's a lot of vocalizations. I think nine times out
of ten. Today, when we get a lot of these vocalizations that sound
like they've been from somewhere else, it's because they're being projected from behind the
person with the cell phone. Yeah, I mean that that's happening more and
more. But the fact that you know, they accuse somebody of putting a
loud speaker in the woods in the seventies, to me, I don't know,
that's just a little it's not outside the realm. But it ain't as
easy to do today then it is today. Either you have to be committed
to pull that hoax off. At that point, you need a power supply
of that, Yeah, a hell of a power supply. Yeah. Power
then, But you and I prove that on my land, like we we
hear where it's coming from, but then when I located it is and where
I thought it was, right, you know, that's a good point.
No, no, not at all, And that's a that's a great point.
It's very hard for us to pinpoint where vocalization or or where where noise
is coming from, you know, unless you have three people there that you
can actually go in and try to triangulate. But again, when you're out
in the woods, if you're trying to put a loud speaker up back in
the nineteen seventies, you would need a basically a military grade diesel generator unless
you had unless you had a power source there. But when like you know,
we were up in pot County over this past weekend, there's no power
lines, there's no electric and even now, you know, basically the quietest
thing I might be able to run is solar or if I actually had a
regular power pact. That technology was not available in nineteen seventy three. So
for people to go out there and say again, unless it's near town and
they can there's a garage or a burn or something that they could hook into
the electric, I can see that. But if it's out in the middle
of the of the Shawnee National Forest, it's it's not going to happen.
History when did they start making the bullhorn? H That's a good point.
That's the only thing I could think of is either like east or a radio
check. We saw those big recorders that took seat batteries that are a bullhorn.
But at the same time, is too many people would know? Yes,
yeah, audio audio a bullhorn has a specific tone to it. You
would be able to know whether it's somebody knowing, you know, without that
amplification, or somebody using the bullhorn. And again we're talking about loud,
loud vocalization, so the bullhorn. I automatically took that out because that's not
going to be able to have that far reaching effect as something that would be
similar to maybe like a fire a whistle that you that you see in talents.
M h. Now, there was a vocalization that Vance had found that
you sent to me. Did you put that in the news for tonight Vans?
No? I did not. Okay, we had some questions about it,
and do you still have it? No, not available immediately you sent
it to me. I'll see if I can upload it and play. Yeah,
we can do that, because I know I had reservations about playing it
because here's the deal. I don't like to play stuff that's bullshit. Even
though ninety eight percent of the vocalizations we play on the show could eventually be
determined to be bullshit. One day I do it was described as was the
only known vocalization of big muddy at the time. So I can't discredit it
at the time because I don't know who was out there recording it on an
analog recorder. We don't have enough data, right, I will bring up
a couple of points before we end up going to break that I find rather
interesting. Now, from Murphy'sboro, Illinois, if you go less than two
hundred miles directly north, you come to the Coal Hollow Road monster reports at
the same time, and there's over two hundred reports of the Coal Hollow Monster
of the same description and light hair colored and mud covered in the same time
period. But yet this is just less than two hundred miles north of Murphy's
Borough. And with those reports, I've gone down there, I investigated.
I spoke to a researcher that took me to the area. He toured me,
he gave me the history of what was seen there, very similar to
what happened in Murphy's Borough. But now if you go west, just directly
southwest, you come into one hundred and fifty miles from that point, you
come into where Momo was recorded at the same time period, in the seventy
two to seventy three period of Momo. What's the name of the hill,
Marzoul Hill. Yeah, all these three, Now this makes a triangle.
Okay, now I'm going back to here we go with the whole triangle thing.
Again. I don't know what to make of it, but it all
happened in the same time period. And the thing is with the Cole Hollow
monster. The footprints that were photographed and taken from that showed a three toed
creature momo apparently from witnesses, had three appendages on its hands. Is this
the same family that has just kind of spread out or is this the same
creature that's traveling, you know, three hundred miles in the same region of
Illinois and Missouri. So there's another book about a question. But right there,
there's another book out there from Daniel Green that you can get called Far
Out Shaggy Funky Monsters of what it is History of Bigfoot in the seventies,
and I think, folks again, if you like compete, you know,
compediums. Here you go one hundred and eighty eight pages. The book's going
for seventy five dollars right now on Amazon. But yeah, you didn't get
copies of it, I believe at the International Cryptozoology Museum courtesy of Lauren Coleman.
So don't jack up those prices, Lauren, if I need to get
one. But I mean again, I think it's it would you know,
benefit folks to you know, find these resources like the historical Bigfoot, the
you know, we're putting the data out there for as you can make up
your own mind. But you can get some more of this story in this
rich history because some strange stuff. Once again, what's going on in the
seventies, And I can't you know, quantify that with one particular answer.
I just want to map there. I I just want to make your correlation
between what Vance was was talking about with the sightings that occurred that year,
all within a certain radius. When I was up hunting this weekend, I
was signed to a game commissioned officer and we were talking about the Elk Kurt
and about how they're they're moving throughout Pennsylvania. The one thing he brought up
was the elk movet They can move up to forty miles a day, so
we have, you know, we have some distance. Another thing though,
that I thought was really interesting and it really kind of ties in with the
Big Bunny monster is generally when they're traveling, they're not going up on the
ridgetops, They're traveling along the creeks in the rivers. So we have,
you know, throughout that whole basin, you know, throughout the Mississippi and
the Ohio River basin, we have animals that are going to travel these creeks
lending to you know, in you know months, you know, maybe June
through July, we may be down in Missouri, in August through October up
in you know, another part of the country, you know, in that
same stretch. But you can almost put a put a map out and actually
map where these where these things occurred, and it would fall in line with
an animal's route of migration. All right, No, I totally agree,
because there is water tributaries between Peoria, Illinois and Murphy's Borough, and then
you have the Mississippi River that takes you close from Murphy'sboro up to where Momo
was seen. So yeah, you have that triangulation of water. It's I
don't know, I don't know what to make of it other than the fact
that this is a fantastic mystery. Is it the same creature or is it
the same family of creature? We'll find out. Right after this, we're
going to take a break and go to the big footballborn smoke them if you
got them, folks, we'll be back in six minutes and fifty nine seconds.
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the Big Distraction Bigfoot Bullhorn, exclusively on the Sasquatch experience. I hope you
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Well thanks Mance for that marvelous bigfoot bullhorn. Your humor is insular,
but we appreciate you. Nonetheless, I appreciate it. So while we were
on break, I did load up that audio. If you guys wanted to
take a get listen to that? Do you have? Yeah? Yeah,
all right, here we go. This is called the Big Muddy Monster Murphy's
Burrow sound file, so called. What is that machinery sound in the back?
Who knows? I have? I'm goin to think that that's the recorder
because back then we had the tape recorders and and you would yeah, essentially,
Yes, Matt is spot on with that assessment right there. I agree
that background noise is probably the recorder, But that that sounds interesting, like
is it is it beyond the realm of a person being able to make that
no I think, you know, we could you know, you know what
I mean, if we really tried to. You know, some of you
never heard Baker after a taco bell breakfast, like it could be trust that
far. It could be. I mean, it could be replicated. But
it's interesting. Nonetheless, though considering the time it was taken, and again,
think about this though, think about a consideration, guys, the time
upon which these these were recorded, right, They didn't have a lot to
base things off of. M No, so the likelihood of it being a
hoax today maybe more likely, But back then I'm a little skeptical about that
though. I don't have enough detail about the incident upon which those sound recordings
were taken, all right, And that was only one file, Sean,
that was only one file that was labeled as the only known recording of Big
Muddy, So you know, how was recorded, what it was recorded on,
those details are not given at the time, but we'll just leave it
lay as what it is. That yeah, because that recording had been generated
years ago and then it was you know, uploaded again on a YouTube file.
But that's an older recording. So I can't say, yeah, that
is what it is, and nor can you or anybody else here. But
it is interesting to the fact that it is stated that this is the only
known recording of Big Money. We'll play that one more time here for folks
that might just be joining us again from the break. There's that file for
you, folks if you're just joining us. So I don't know either way.
There's a serious lung capacity there, I stop. There is some serious
lung capacity, and with all the recordings that we've heard from you know,
all points of the United States and around the world, it's the lung capacity
and the roar that you do here is very overwhelming for a person to try
to replicate that, even if they were using modified amplifiers of some sort,
I don't think you would be able to tell the difference between an amplified voice
and that that's captured out in the wild. I think, especially then at
that time, you would. But what's interesting about these vocalizations is from the
onset of those folks that were out there, you know, romping by the
river and they're approached by Big Muddy, you know, they notate the sound,
right, the roar from this thing. And then as the police officers
and need them, the guys, the witnesses, last name was, need
them as they're following, you know, the trails of this creature one hundred
yards away out of the woods, comes that same sound, and need them
instantaneously recognizes that sound. Is that's the same sound bitch that was down there,
you know, breaking up minookie time. You know, like, so
they're there, you know, it was a distinct sound. It's not like
again, we hear these sounds all the time. We're a little desensitized to
it. But put yourselves in that position in that time frame. You're gonna
hear that sound once and some bitch, you're gonna hear it again. It's
gonna resonate with you. You know it's gonna stick right. No, that's
a very good point. And again, what the capacity and the volume,
Even if that's recorded on a you know, a cassette tape at the time,
which would have been the probably the most popular way of recording at that
time. Hence the Sierra Sounds, the volume that seems to come across on
that microphone is sewing intense. It's like, what kind of effort are you
going to put into it to try to hoax something like this? I don't
know, I don't know. I know the people of the area, and
it seems that that would not have been the mainstream choice at the time,
especially in the seventies. I think they would have captured whatever they captured and
would have either kept it and transposed it to the public in the two thousands
and say hey, I captured this back in the nineteen seventies on my cassette
tape or am I reel to reel, even though people didn't bring real to
reel with them at the time. It was a cassette recorder at the time,
but you can still hear the intense volume. So fair enough, Henry
again, Yeah, Henry, when we were going to go in there,
you wanted to make a point about the coloration, and Baker touched on it
just briefly, but you wanted to talk about the rarity of it being a
white hominid. Yeah, it's not very common to hear about white sassquatch being
seen, but what I saw in nineteen ninety eight was a dirty white color.
But you don't hear about it very often. The fact, in John
Green's files, I think only about eight ten percent what was in his files
is white colored individuals. What is interesting, Henry, and we had talked
about this in the past, is that those of them that are lighter in
color and the white color tend to be more aggressive. They tend to display
a more outward aggressive behavior in the interactions that are notated, the one from
nineteen seventy three, Lauren Coleman did a sketch of it, and I've done
a sketch of it, and others have done a sketch of it where this
thing grips its claws into the back of a car, you know, kind
of ripping the metal as it's going after these folks, you know, indicating
some strength and some you know, you know, violent tendencies. But the
creatures of the white coloration have a tendency to be, at least in the
reporting, is a little bit more aggressive. And one would think they'd have
to because, as Baker pointed out, you know, they're a lot more
vulnerable to the surroundings that they're in. You know, things with the albinism
or later color don't have a long lifespan in the wild. They stick out
there an aberration and they tend to get picked off pretty quickly. You know.
Think about that. And you know, if you're trying to be as
elusive as possible, you know, being a big, white, seven foot
tall, three hundred plus pound creature is going to help that. But if
you look at it in the human aspect, I think seniors and senior citizen
to be more specific, can be more aggressive to protect their domain of my
exactly. And I'm not saying, you know because for some reason, you
know, over the years, YETI is referred to, Oh, the culture
has turned the yetti into a white hair colored creature. I don't think that's
what the case is. I think the white hair colored creature may be either
one of two things, either an elder that is very agitated or it's an
albino. Well, albinoism is kind of a more of a rare aspect in
the animal kingdom and does not seem to happen. But if you have an
elder that is gray in color from age, it can be more aggressive to
just be left alone, and if you're within its confines, it may step
up and say, no, I'm not having anything to do with you,
leave me alone. When you're trying to you know, we're trying to correlate
some behavior to you know, physical attribute to the creature. If you're joining
us with the human nature right right, the reality is we just don't know.
We're you know, grasping for straws here. But I mean it's the
straws that we could grasp it again with. Another interesting note is through the
files of the Big Muddy Monster, the University of Chicago Department of Biology,
Lee Van Vanalen, the associate professor, writes, dear mister Berger, who
was the chief of Police of Murphysboro, Illinois as of November twelfth, nineteen
seventy three. I have recently heard of your creature, which could be of
considerable scientific interest. There have been many reports of such animals, but no
real specimens have ever been available for scientific study. The reports are often thought
to be due to bears, men living wild in the woods, hoaxes,
and the like. Therefore, the very existence of such a creature is questionable,
and its relationships to other animals would be of some interest. If it
is real, the creature is shot, it is important that it not be
buried unless it's a man of course, discarded or given to sensation seekers.
It should be embalmed or otherwise preserved in good condition. It would be preferable
for the undertaker to ship it to me or some other refutable scientists, because
it's study will need laboratory equipment and other materials. But if this cannot be
done, I will come myself and arrange matters. I guarantee payment of such
expenses involved in making a real specimen available for scientific study. Sincerely, Yours,
Leavan Valalin, Associate Professor. So you have a legitimate university writing a
letter to the chief of police saying, you know what you get the son
of a bitch, We're going to come collect it for you, right,
and that you know that kind of that's impactful for a lot of reasons because
at that time a lot of institutions weren't taking it seriously. Right, But
you have one professor out there, and you know, we should find out
what happened to doctor Lee van Valen and see if they ever, you know,
stayed in the peripheral of the research. Well Officer man Warning, who
was on call and on duty at the time and had taken the top lead
on the research. Matt, you're be more in tune with what that type
of rank would be called. But he was the one that was called to
investigate this, and Man Warning had made a couple of comments to the fact
that when he went out and researched, he did come across some creepy evidence
of slime and hair on the trees following the trail where the thing was seen
by a couple of teenagers sitting on their back porch when this first happened with
Big Muddy, and they saw it on the tree line, and of course
they freaked out and they called the police and man warning had come out there
and he had followed with flashlights. Now back then they didn't have the LED
flashlights. They just add standard battery incandescent flashlights. But he did come across
evidence on the trees of a slime and a horrible smell and some hair.
You know, that may all lead back to a very relevant case to say,
well maybe there is something here. I agree. And you know,
it's funny because when I was looking at the information about the slime, most
of us are going to say slime. You know, it could be anything.
It could be mucus, it could be whatever sort of bodily exertion.
But one thing that it kind of perplexes me a little bit about this is
maybe it's not so much slime as much as maybe like a wax or because
we've heard so much about oils that are being emitted in sometimes it's a little
more with these unknown creatures and the name of it. Doug was talking about
it. Yes, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, I can't.
I've been offered last week. Saw my mind's kind of not in uh work
mode right now. But but again, we do have humans to secrete this.
But it seems that it's more secreted, you know, from these creatures,
which is similar to what I'll go back to small town monsters. When
yes up at the uh up at the Alaska Dark Alaska and when they had
the handprint that that was up on the on the side of the cabin and
they were able to actually collect that. Now it could be maybe rather than
slime, it's more of like a waxy type substance. But but neither here
nor there. What what really surprised me was how they how that department actually
handled this. They handled it respect and I'll give a lot of credit to
Murphy Spurrow and even today, well I can't say today, but I'll go
to like Whitehall, New York, whoa, whoa, the way that their
officers handled that. So anyways, but that's my two cents about you know,
Murphy Spurrow did a fantastic job. They may not have had a full
time investigator, so it may have been a patrolman or corporal, a sergeant
that was assigned to do the follow ups. But again, you know,
I think they handled handled themselves as best they could in nineteen seventy three.
Well, and consider the fact that if you get a report, especially in
that timeframe and the police department gets through. They don't have a protocol set
up on how to deal with this. They didn't. All they could do
is the best that they could with what they had at the time, and
they would either audio or handwrite their report. Correct. That's the best that
they had it because they weren't expecting any of this. Correct. And and
again, what is the even now? What's the protocol for even with someone
like PSP or any of the other state agencies, they don't have a protocol.
You know, maybe the only one that might would be Washington or Oregon.
You know, I'm sure that maybe there's some sort of you know,
protocol that they would have, But as for any other states, I I'm
not aware of any. No, we were a perplextion when we had the
monkeys escape from the from that truck accident last year, so very much so.
Yes, Or the minx that are still people because they're still absolutely not
the minx to people. Yes, But wouldn't that fall under like like fishing
and game and animal control. I mean you would think they're might be some
side like they don't call it sasquatch protocol, they call it large animal protocol
like you would think that, you know, because the government a lot of
times will do things that are so obvious they just hide the name so you
don't notice it right away. Yeah, you know what I mean. Ye
w Morgan described what they do in Ohio, at least in one county Ohio.
They say the black cows are out again. That's their polar call name
for sasquatch signings. You gotta be careful of those black cows. An incident,
that's what we did. The officer that had a pattern of black cow
assassination. And there it is not untrue, not untrue. We digress sometimes,
but you know, to Matt's point, I do have to give some
you know, accommendation to the Murphysboro Police Department because they did handle this from
the begin very well, very smartly, very seriously, and probably the example
of how police departments really should take this, you know, seriously. And
they did a fantastic job. Even the reports are written not tongue in cheek,
written as a regular police report, as if it was being reported as
a crime or an incident. And you can go to that website that Baker
posted in the chat earlier. I'll have it in the show notes, so
you can, if you're listening to this in the podcast form, you can
go back and visit those files because they're just really see and they're also in
that files or letters that were written to the chief from all over the country,
all over the world, people sending in their questions or sending in their
insights, and they were all compiled and put into that file that Murphy's Burrow
just puts out on the internet. You know, they're proud of this creature.
There's a festival that happens. They have embraced this like other small towns
across the country have embraced their weirdness. And that all came about from the
fact that Murphy's Burrow. According to Officer man Warning said, that was the
most requested police reports that they have ever had in any of their cases that
they've had, you know, regarding criminal cases and accident cases. This is
the most requested case that they have had from all over the country, from
California to New York. It's got wide appeal. They've been barraged with,
you know, requests for this report. Think about this, if you were
a teacher and you were trying to educate students about cryptozoology, and you had
this great mystery report that happened relatively PG nothing you know, out of the
ordinary or incessively violent. It's a great case to share with students, it
really is. And I mean it's a great you know, the documentaries they
made about it have been very good, so it's not like it's not an
interesting story. So I can see why it has a lot of appeal to
it. Plus the freaks like us, we're worse than the true crime nuts
if you watch the video. One thing I did notice, and a lot
of the witnesses said, or the or the descendants of witnesses and things like
that, they said the town wouldn't put up with them doing it half ass.
They didn't want anybody being a grifter or anything like that. They weren't
going to be made fun of. So if the police were going to file
reports, they were going to make them accurate. So in a way,
it was it was actually there was like a spotlight on those police officers to
do it right, because the town itself wasn't going to be made fun of.
MM. You know a copy, all right, pick up a copy
of The Big Money Monster. That's the book that's get yourself the documentary Big
Money Creature, Big Money Book, right, and and and go out and
do some work with this. Folks, get yourself embraced it, enjoy it.
And you know, we're just giving you a quick overlay of the story
because you know there's tons of information out there. This book itself has some
great historical you know, sy I'll give you one here quick before we we
roll off the air. Here of Mercclesborough, Illinois, The Independent Standard from
September thirty, nineteen forty two. State police today presume the silver Monster had
left Perry County, but we're not certain he had been here at all.
Tales of a monster marauding through Perry County mirrors similar reports to SHT. Sheriff
Henry Anderson Nashville that a seven foot like creature was terrorizing Washington County last week.
Please believe the monster to be an escape circus or zoo ape. And
there we go again. These damn things get you know, read as gorillas
or apes because guys, guess what, back up until that time, that's
what they were. That kind of starts of it to the point that Henry
and I were trying to make earlier and I think we went through it.
That nineteen seventy three might have been the first real story that kind of set
off the excitement around it, but it wasn't the first stories of a Muddy
Muddy River monster, right, And one story from nineteen seventy three was that
a carnival worker it spotted one of these inspired the creature watching these Shetland ponies
as the carnivals creepy creepy carneys. Yeah. Well again, and this ties
into the you know, like I brought up earlier, the Cole Hollow Road
monster just south of Peoria, Illinois, with the same type of description,
you know again, and then you'd go one hundred one hundred and fifty miles
southeast or I'm sorry, yeah, southwest of that area and you come into
Momo. I keep wanting to try correlation. Are all of these three sightings
related to each other as the same individual or the same family. Well,
the reports differ with Momo compared to what they're seeing at Muddy River, But
we're gonna have to We're gonna have to explore that though. And I think
because there's so many reports out there in the Cole Hollow creature vans, we
ought to do a show on that too. But next week, next week,
guys, we're going to be taking a look into just you know,
some Bigfoot supposition, Bigfoot after death. What do Bigfoot do with their dead?
As one of the biggest questions has been why have we not found a
body? The five of us are going to talk next week about different theories
and different thoughts we have on what happens to Bigfoot after they expire. And
honestly, this report comes this report, this request came from one of our
patrins On supporters, and so I thank them personally for sending me the idea
on this, and so this show next week is for them. So folks,
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