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Welcome back to Probe the Arts and
lip Stuff Radio. Thanks for joining us.

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Enjoy the show. Welcome back to
prop the Arts on lip Stuff Radio.

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Na Hickins and cale J. All
the way lovely singer songwriter, I

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must say, all the way from
Ireland, cale J. So we're just

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talking about just before the break,
we were just getting to tell us about

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One More Chance and Don't Look Back, and we just want to know if

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there's a story behind One More Chance
and Don't Look Back. We love a

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true love story, but if it's
not a love story, we still want

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to hear it. Please Yes,
one more Chen. It was to do

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with that distruble marriage and we leave
it at that. And it was just

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on the lyrics Flow that was released
in July twenty and eighteen, and that

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was kind of the first track and
are released went into the studio completely an

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interrepidation and that on what to expect. Learned so much from it and I

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won't say anymore on that. That
was basically the story behind that one.

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The third the only tract that I
mentioned was Don't Look Back, which which

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was well released only in December of
last year, and that was kind of

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inspired by I suppose several things,
and just to kind of give you a

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context of how I don't know things
line up. When I was in the

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studio last year with my producer marked
out, it was the first to que

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last year and he was out for
a conflict where it and he just come

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in and said, did you hear
the news that famous ARSTL footballer died Antoni

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Rais. I says no, He
said, yeah, I just died in

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car crash, and and and in
the song I had already written written that

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line and death has taken away your
angel and your heart is in the midium

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pieces and and and I had not
one really for following celebrities, but I

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was really intrigued and and and touched
by what happened. And I just probed

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further and just kind of just looked
at his why his wiser now with us

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and Instagram page, and it was
just I was so amazed at how she

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handled it and just the devastation,
the grief. You know, he was

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just literally two miles from home because
dinner was about to be put up on

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the table and she gets a cold, a big dead and and but how

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she actually handles can be but also
celebrated his life, you know, he

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was he had such success and I
was left behind three kids. But acknowledge

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that. Look, the media being
Monday, and I think we live in

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the world, you know where you
know, celebrity, celebrities or this and

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that and so on. But I
think of COVID nineteen and so many other

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things have maybe brought people back down
to earth. And the reason I'm saying

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that is, you know, in
the music industry, it's all about a

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happy story, a happy story,
and I love song. It's kind of

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the opening hasty basins that. But
that's completely unbalanced because life is made up

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of the bitter and the sweet,
and you know, and I'm not just

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going to write songs in the sake
of popularity. And I suppose it's current

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track that I've written, is I
suppose you could call it commercial, you

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know, And I'm not going to
write music for the sake of being a

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commercial. Bob Building didn't start out
of that. I'm called a commercialist.

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Luck, he was a singer songwriter
and so was gone. That was it.

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And put that track, you know, the sad song as its place

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to you know, it don't go
back. It speaks to people just as

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much as the episode is oh,
thank you about beautiful music and the beautiful

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way that you've just explained that.
Then it's it's something think about into right,

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Sorry place, Yeah sorry, I
thought he was going to say something

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all right, sorry, Yeah,
so yeah, very brilliant. Yeah,

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so I was just gonna say,
what's the first step to making a new

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song? Some people write to the
beat and some people write from the beat?

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Am am? I making sense?
Yeah? Yeah, you know this

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this this, this recent track was
was I learned more about songwriting and and

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particularly more about melody than any other
three tracks. What I my I'd always

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tried to stick to was I had
I had the lyrics, and and I

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was going to bend as were the
melody around around the lyrics, and but

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it didn't work like that. For
this one. We and and we we

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obviously put put the music to or
whatever. It was a long, arduous

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process, and the original lyrics were
essentially scrapped just they were white. I

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had to take them out because they
wouldn't rhyme or fit in to through the

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melody. Did that I had,
which was a huge challenge for me,

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And I think I had about just
a week. Then that's just the gospel

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truth. I had a week then
to put the lyrics is that once the

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music was done. So that was
a shocker for Yeah, that was a

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completely shocker for me. So I'm
going, oh my god, I hope

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so yeah, I hope that answered
me a good question on that. Yeah,

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it does. It does a bit
more flexible this time track. And

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I got to go with your coob. We're gonna play the music and get

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it if until I really like the
melody, yeah, and then I will.

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I'm gonna then I say, get
my message across. Yeah. But

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look it's good. Okay, it's
gonna be different lyrics, but we're going

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to have to stay message. Yeah
the melody. So yeah, huge.

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This was just a massive learning of
this stuff. Right, So we're gonna

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take another working with another artist,
all right, So all right, yeah,

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so we're gonna take a shot break. Now. When we're back,

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we're gonna tell us a bit more
about that. So we're gonna take a

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shot break now. Please don't go
away. You've been listening to probably act

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on dip Stop Radio, Emmy Hickins
and our lovely guest who is a singer

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songwriter all the way from Ireland,
Caso J and he's gonna be joining us

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back for the final section when we
come back, Please do not go away,

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because this is getting exciting. We're
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