Elon, how are you good, Maria, Yeah, it's been quite a
he's tumultuous times wild times. Indeed, as you just mentioned, when there's
an account of the large number of followers that is restored to the system,
you have to re knit the thing together, so that takes several hours.
So Alex's account should be working at Alex, you know. I look,
I honestly don't know. I don't really know you and you don't know me.
But you know, one of the questions I really have to just get
out of the way, and you've probably talked about this ready before. Is
the whole Sandy Hook thing they've started denying, or that murders of children.
That's not cool at all, you know, And so just what exactly did
you say? And what what has gone on with that situation? You know,
I just I would like to actually hear what what did you say?
And yeah, well, Elon, thank you for allowing me back into the
public square so that I can actually tell the world what really happens. I
don't know how much would you like the short answer or the medium I think
I think at least the medium answer. I look, I guess people just
want to know, like obviously it would be like heartless and cruel to deny
a school shooting of children, or to attack the parents or anyone who was
involved. It seems that that would be, you know, just incredibly mean
and cool. Frankly, so it's sort of that's I think, you know
what a lot of people are upset about, or at least they think that
is the reason for you have said about and you know, if that were
true, I think it would rightly be. You know, I've set with
you. Yeah, yes, sir, Well please let me then just tell
you what really happened, Okay, and if you want me to send you
adosier with cliff and videos and rginals, I mean post this year account,
you know, yes, sir, I will do that. Social let me
tell you what happened. I'm a guy that didn't go to college in a
few years community college. I started out on Access TV twenty nine years ago.
I was not professionally trained, and by nineteen by two thousands, I
had thirty million viewers and listeners today, conservatively, I was the biggest shows
biggest Rogan is now a bigger and I had a very small operation and did
not even understand how powerful I was and so when that of them, I
just call it the school shooting, which I do believe happened years ago.
The internet exploded, and it was a top story for off and on for
years, with all these professors and former school safety people and all of them
saying they believed it was a drill, and I simply covered them, covering
that what was in an in court against me in both cases where I was
found guilty by judges. There's a judge in Trump's case, not even a
jury in real estate case. And then years later, after Trump got elected
and after I was deplatformed, it made me bigger. And so suddenly I
would wake up and there would be sometimes one hundred articles or more a day,
every major news channel saying that I was currently saying nobody died, currently
sending people to their houses, currently peeing on graves. I didn't even know
these people's names. I only said one of their names ever now, and
I believe their children died, And I understand all that. Okay, what
I'm saying. Imagine I was not in the platform, no mention of the
school shooting in Connecticut for like six seven years. Then they go back to
my timeline and it turns out it was a big New York PR firm,
Democratic Party. They dreads it up. They run hundreds of articles, sometimes
a day, but a week for over a year. Suddenly it becomes a
big story again, what's the pills for? Pardon me? Which is propaganda
phone? Was this pr PR is a proflic relations is a propaganda would for
propaganda? So I think we should qote. Yes, it was propaganda phone,
because that is in fact what they do. So what proaga? I
will find the name as soon as I'm off, because I can't do I'm
not good at doing Today's a once. I can't walk into bubble gum.
But I will post it to the two X because after they got their one
point five billion dollar judgment and asked for two point sixty seven trillion that the
GDP of India and I'm not joking folks, as Bloomberg, they then came
out and bragged that they had quarterbacks. The whole thing. They're the one
of the biggest state of the UNSPR, not that they had quarterbacks, quote
destroying Alex Jones. And so I did question it. I did say at
times I could see that I'm I can't even say it now they'll take it
a contact stats set it again. I did have what they interned in court
on me was twenty three minutes of video and audio over five six years.
We did an audit. I hadn't talked about them when they sued me.
For two years. I refused to talk about it. I apologize when the
PR firm got involved, and I know who it was. At the time,
it was just all the news. I said, hey, I thought
it happened. I said it happened. I said it happened. I decided
it happened five years after it happened, so I said, I'm not the
Fanny hook guy. It turns out some of these experts that said it had
happen are crazy. They made up stuff. I said, I believe it
happened, and then they spun it and said, oh, now he admits
he lied about it. So it isn't who I was. And it's kind
of like they've done with you, and you did nothing like I did.
I mean, I did question it. I did say a few times that
I thought it hadn't happened, but I didn't turn the knife. I didn't
really think about it. I thought about how I was talking about the internet
with YouTube videos with thirty forty million views that I didn't make. It was
a hot time that would come back from time to time. But no,
I was not the creator of it. I was not the presentator of it.
I was not the guy pushing it. And then I kept saying no,
I believe it happened, and they went, aha, you now admit
you lied for money. So what's not true is I never made any money
off of it. I barely ever covered it. It's not my identity.
And it's just like they misrepresent what you say, take one little thing and
twist it and then say you need to apologize for it, and they just
keep hammering it and hammering it. So I've been desperately. I mean,
in fact, I'll post it X of you one. There's over one hundred
apologies that I've given, over one hundred, it's fact, probably five hundred.
Every show I go on they ask this. I apologized on Joe Rogan's
show five years ago. I apologize on Patrick Ben David's show five years ago.
I mean these are prominent ones. I apologize on every show, and
I'll say it again. I apologize that I just gave my commentary because I'm
really just a guy that talk radio hosts. So I do that on the
internet. I just take calls, interview guests, and that I played Devil's
advocate and have that hurt people's feelings, I apologize, but I did not
send people to your houses. I did not pee on graves. I don't
know any of the stuff that went on. And then when they have the
trials after I was found guilty, trials on damages, there was never any
video of people peeing on graves, any video of people at houses. There
was an FBI agent who was there that day at the tragic event in New
Heavy, Connecticut, but Shandy Walker said the name he was there and he
didn't have an FBI that'sed on and his gun was pointed the wrong direction,
pointed upside down. The Internet questioned him when he got on the stand in
Connecticut. My lawyer said, has mister Jones ever said your name? No,
has mister Jones ever put your picture on the internet. No, have
any of his hosts done it? No, has Info Wars ever put your
picture out? I said your name? No, what happened to you,
sir? One man? He said, call eight years ago now and asked
me if I was really an FBI agent. The jury gave him ninety four
million dollars that doesn't exist, ninety four million that never said his name.
So I challenge people to find me say any of their names. I said
one guy's name, and I apologized to him on the stand. The thing
had probably one hundred million views on five or six different YouTube videos of him
smiling and laughing before he walked through the mic. I played the clip one
time and said, yeah, that looks like he's an actor. I did
not attack him, did not come after him, did not say his child
did die. Look I don't want to fight with him, though, I
said to them in a deposition, I said, I will chop my piky
finger off with a meat cleaver right now. I will if you'll just leave
me alone and stop saying I made hundreds of millions of dollars off of you,
and stop saying I'm attacking you. So so it's very simple. I
have become and I know what happened. The media ran a year of articles
attacking them in my name, saying things I never said as a strong man,
enraging them against me, and then so that they've been victimized, they've
been manipulated by a PR operation. And so I would love to come on
X with the families. I'd love to raise money on this show or your
show, Elon, or any of them. I'd love to come on here
and raise them ten million dollars for Guns Safe You wireis next week. I
would love you. I would love you to be in an open panel with
them. I would love Okay, Okay, it looks it looks like Ed
Kressenstein wants to talk ed. Would be good to hear from me. Yes,
So I'm kind I kind of have a question for you, Elon.
So let's say, okay, I mean it does me. No, it's
in regards to Alex Jones, though it's related. So let's say Alex Jones
or somebody else does the same thing but clearly directly claims that a school shooting
did not take place when we know it did. Does that future person or
Alex Jones get banned or is the new policy that they remain. We need
to look at the circumstances there. You know we're trying to follow here is
to obey the law. So obey the laws of the United States, the
laws of the countries in which access present, and but and really do our
best to not go beyond the law, on the premise that if the people
won't wish the lord be different, then the people will ask their presentatives or
their leaders to change the law. But otherwise, our goal is to hew
as closely to the law as possible. So if somebody says something that is
unlawful, then we will take action. If someone does not take do something
that is unlawful, then we would aspire to not take action. If the
law has changed, of course, then we will adjust our behavior accordingly.
So that's sort of the approach that we're taking. And now that we have
Community Notes, which while it's not perfect, I think is it's the best
fact checking that I've seen on the Internet, And so if someone were to
post false information, they can be community noted. And you know, it's
always important to say, like, no fact checking system is perfect. If
perfect perfection is the standard, you can just basically dispensed with all fact checking
because nothing will be perfect. But really it's really how good is the batting
average of any fact checking system. My observation of Community notes is that the
batting average that the probably that the note is correct is very high, much
better than anything else that I've seen on the Internet, and everything in community
notes, the code, the data, everything is open source. You can
independently recreate the outcome of any any notes as a third party, So that's
as full transparency. So I think that having the community not capability is a
very powerful. It's the most powerful disinformation weapon that I'm you know, actually
combating disinformation. I agree, Yeah, can I throw something in real quick?
Look, this is why I believe what people were saying and actually question
and for a little all thought it might not have happened. We were lied
to about WMD's in Iraq, We were relied to about anthracs in Iraq.
There was Operation north Woods. There was Operation north Woods. In two thousand,
ABC News declassified the US government plan to stage fake mass shootings and blowing
up airlines with people that would take off and would land CIA and then they
would actually just blow up a drone plane and then claim a mass event it
happened, or claim a mass faked shooting happened. So Jesse Smallett lied about
what he did. Hesbla and Hamas has Blran. It did kill a lot
of Israelis condemned the attack, but it wasn't true that they cut a bunch
of its heads off. Even the White House and Israel has to admit that.
Well, people came out and said they didn't believe that there was proof
that Hamas cut heads off. So the establishment view was they did cut heads
off, they didn't. So how do we penalize people that. I mean,
if somebody wants to believe the Earth's flat, they have a right to
and the community notes and everybody else can challenge them. But it's the establishment
lying so much that makes people not believe anything, and then they lose faith
in everything. I'm actually worried about this because a lot of my audience so
disillusion they think I'm an agent or something too. I'm not so so I
don't know how we handle this. But I think the government and the media
and the think tanks and the pr firms, the propaganda firms Xelon Rifley said,
have been lying professionally so much. They've poised in the well where no
one knows what to believe. They've created a smoke screen, and so I
don't know how we deal with that other than getting the Tony. I just
want to be like, you know, humus have a habit of cutting of
heads. Like they're quite proud of cutting off heads. You know, this
particular circumstance peraps, there's some uncertainty, but they do cut off a lot
of heads, and that that is, there's no question about that. And
they they're quite They're appeared to be quite jubilant. They're quite happy when they
cut these heads off. I don't like them off. I don't like them.
The brotherhood I don't like as well. Is that, you're right,
that is a hallmark, the crowd of cutting off heads my obtivation. No
mean, I agree you seventy Mark is shooting his guns and a red beard
short calling card is cutting off heads. I totally agree they do a lot.
You're right, Yeah, do you might? Can I jump in for
a second, Yeah, go to your right off to Yeah, I want
to go to your right off to the I just wanted to, you know,
share one thought in response to Ed's question, which is, let's take
the content of whatever speech it was that's issue off the table, kids being
shot in schools or otherwise. I think there's two kinds of ways to worry
if you worried about the spread of misinformation or false facts. One is let's
deal with the content of the speech itself. And Elon has talked about community
notes as being imperfect, though it is maybe the best method out there on
the Internet. And I think that's one set of discussions to have. That's
quite a different thing from what the law certainly looks at as the most draconian
First Amendment violation, which is what it calls a prior restraint, which is
to previously just restrain a person from speaking, period. And I think that
that is no matter what the content of the speech is. It's quite a
different thing to say that because of who you are or what you have said
in the past, you may not say another thing in the future. And
so I just think that those are two different concepts. And I just,
for one, just wanted to share my experience of my Alex Jones experience,
if I may have it perfectly, shit, I because you don't cut somebody's
tongue out even if I did the past. Well, but but you know
what I mean. But if people say false things, they deserve to have
the consequences for that particular speech out in the marketplace of opinions, and community
notes is one feature of doing that, and I think that's a legitimate discussion
to have. But the idea, first of all, let's just make the
observation that if somebody has said a once set a bad thing, then they'd
be restrained from speaking. Most people who have been in a position of prominence
in the US federal government would not be allowed to speak again in other forms
if that was the standard we were applying, right, I mean, you
think about anybody who's been in the CIA or the FBI and in a position
of saying that the hunter Biden lapped out story was false, or COVID didn't
start in a lab in China, So we could go down that whole rabbit
hole. But you know, well, yeah, I mean, as Alex
said earlier, I mean, and this is this is not missed, the
kind of attack on George fors. But George Bush did say George forst second,
did say that they were w mds. Right. He said it not
once, but but many times. And that and a lot that's that's what
that there was. He did not have sufficient evidence to make to make better
and a lot more deep people died as a consequence of that statement that Alex
Jones has incorrectly. But Alex, I think you know, Alex. I
think one of the things I just wanted to share with people is that I
would was actually just curious about this guy, Alex Jones. You know,
I've never met him, but I happened to be in Texas. I visited
this southern border and you know, I popped in Austin on the way back
or somewhere. I forget where we were, and I heard Alex Jones was
that's where he was. I said, I want to meet this guy that
everybody says don't meet. And so we sat down and I was actually surprised,
and we actually aired it on AX, or we or I put out
clips of it on X I can't remember, in like a podcast format.
And so I was expecting to get into debate about the Sandy Hook thing,
and as soon as I open up, what I get is a guy apologized
for being wrong, and then we moved on and talked about something else.
And so for me, it was just interesting, an eye opening, and
I think it would be interesting and ie opening for a lot of people as
well to sort of know that there are people who have who would have ever
thought, made some mistakes, said some things that were wrong, and said
some other things that were dead right that nobody else was saying either. And
the way that we get to the bottom of what's true is actually hearing one
another. And when people say something false, yeah, they just don't be
held accountable for excising. That's what. It's a cool thing that you know,
hopefully we're able to have more of that rathertheless, because of the exist
I mean, this platform didn't exist. You know, that avenue of sorting
out bad speech through more speech doesn't really exist on the Internet or in our
culture. And so I think that's in response to add a good thing,
not a bad thing in my opinion. Yeah, And actually to just elaborate
on the public relations firms PR firms, which really should be called propaganda firms,
because that's literally public relations is literally a propaganda word for propaganda. You
can read the history of how public relations was developed Edward Burnet's correct. So
the way that PR firms actually corrupt the media is actually in a very significant
way is that journalists are paid very little as journalists, but they can later
retire and join a PR firm and make a lot of money on the basis
of the of the articles they've written in the past and their contacts at their
publication. So there is actually a strong monetary incentive, very strong for corruption
of the traditional media. Elon it, I'm so glad you said that,
because people don't understand that's how these work, and I'm just not learning about
that. The PR firms are so powerful. They're full of intelligence agency former
people. So just like a general will sign off on some bad weapons system,
then he retires and gets on the major board of the defense contractor for
five million a year, it's a revolving door. And so that's why when
these big PR firms snap and say jump, the media says, how high,
And you're absolutely when it comes to fact checking, they're really one of
the most nasty, deceptive groups out there. Yeah, they're propaganda films.
Were just to make a lot more sense if you just think PR firm equals
propaganda. PR equals propaganda. That is literally what it means. And if
you read the state jumping out, he's jumping out. Is he jumping off
anyone else? Yeah, he's dropping off for me. Elon, you said,
yeah, you just jumped out, you know, as you get back.
Now, is Mike working? Good? Now, Mike's working. We're
on PR firms you're on PR firms equal propaganda. Yes, it's the public
works should really understand that public relations literally just means propaganda. PR firm means
propaganda. And the PR firms have very strong control over the traditional media because
that's where journalists go to retire and make tons of money. So that's there's
a very strong monetary incentive for journalists to do what the PR firms say because
they know that is where they're going to get rich in the future. Then
go elon, the question is more for Alex and Alex. Me and Alex
were discussing it before you jumped on. Is the pressure is any that you've
faced since reinstating or since you said you'll reinstate Alex. Now, Alex,
you know kind of referred to extreme scenarios where your life could be in danger
because of what you're doing with X. I know you mentioned it briefly in
one of the first places we had. You made a joke about, Hey,
guys, it's something happens to me. I'll never commit suicide. But
how much pressure have you faced in recent months? Obviously we've seen the back
and forth with a few organizations that are trying to censor others and has that
increase since you reinstated Alex. I mean, at this point reading the sort
of legacy media is just depressing. I accidentally, once in a while we'll
go see like Google News or whatever, or you know, the Ugu news
or whatever, some sort of random things. I'm like, this is just
I mean, fractically, the quality of the propaganda isn't even good. I
look, if you're going to do propaganda, at least make it entertaining.
And I find it's still boring. It's, you know, and just not
even well written. Well that's right. Don't put out one thing and then
they all parroted it. It's a dog lazy propaganda. It's like Workada.
We've got Andrew Tay here as well. Andrew, how are you, Andrew?
Your mike? Is it working? You got a unmute bottomless corner?
Can you hear me? We can? Yeah, yeah, I'm good friend.
I'm in the middle of a poker game. But since this is the
battle for humanity against the Satanists with its constant deception of the populace, I
thought I would jump in and say hello to everybody. Your thought's Andrew.
We had we had brother on earlier Tristan, come on earlier. Your thoughts
on Alex Jones being back on next I'd rather hear thoughts on Elon must be
in the biggest maverick of the last five hundred years. I'm not kissing ash
here, Elon you the way. I mean you're You've got big ones man
on every front. You are literally overturning the entire power structure. I was
just gonna say this one's Andrew get in, but I have I just want
to say this while you're here. I mean, you are literally changing the
entire paradigm and you've definitely got the system scared it. And so everybody needs
to support X. Everybody needs to support the sponsors on X. I personally
am doing all my Christmas shopping this year with all the great gadgets and stuff
that they're on X. But I'm gonna shut up now. But I would
imagine, say, talking about Alex Jones, I luck to hear Andrew Jake
talk about or asked questions to Elon mush. Yeah. Well, Alex is
certainly a friend of mine. I've known him for a long time and I'm
extremely happy he's back. I've celebrated that publicly, but Alex nailed it.
Elon is taking the biggest risk here. It takes unlimited energy to propagate lies.
You have to continually repeat them, and you have to continue try and
falsify information and hide the truth to keep lies afloat. And this simple purchase,
you call it simple, The purchase of a simple website has literally cracked
the matrix in real time, and it becomes extremely difficult now to run the
sie offs they were previously running and enslave the populace, which is their primary
goal. So Elon is a hero, absolutely, And the risks you are
taking, Elon, I don't think many people out home actually understand the gravity
of the risks you are taking, because your ability to speak freely is heavily
leveraged against your insignificance. You're only allowed to speak if nobody listens to you.
And if you get big and people start listening, they're gonna come at
you hard. And I think I'm not completely verse, but from what I
understand, Elon's already suffering the law fair tactics which they're gonna do. They're
gonna keep pulling out the hat to try and slow him down, or oh,
oh, Andrew, let me interrupt before I forget that. I won't
give any attention the same law firm that came after me with these PR firms.
You've just jumped outus and GOTX. Just dropped out anyone else can Yeah,
he got it? Call. There is a three letter agency running this,
not all of them, but let's just say it starts with a CE
and it ends with an A sorry, go ahead, Andrew, Yeah,
absolutely. And there's liberal NGOs which will sponsor agents of the matrix. They'll
sponsor females to end up in a house party and then lie to try and
then put you in a Romanian jail cell and get you sitting with the cockroaches
in a dungeon. And it's a very scary world where you get to a
point where you're the only time trying to tell the truth and they're gonna punish
you for that using endless lawfare. And this battle has only just begun.
But the matrix that is truly cracked now, and it's going to be extremely
hard to lie to us like they did before with X the way it currently
is. And I think it came at exactly the right time. I almost
without trying to sound pessimistic, there was a point where I kind of felt
like I was losing hope. You couldn't tell the truth about anything. Everything
was a lie. Everything from head to toe was a lie. And they're
trying to lock us fall back on our houses again and we can finally talk
about it. It's truly heroic and Elon's taking massive risk and the respect I
have for him for doing that is enormous. Absolutely, I mean, this
is what happens. I'm gonna shut up so I don't hear from Elon,
but this is so historic. Elon musk courage and it's true, I'm saying,
has broken the back of the globalist. They'll never be able to turn
this around again unless they have a nuclear war. Elon Musk has broken their
back. Yeah. Well, I guess some people are afraid to die.
That's and you know what, it's kind of crazy because I was talking to
someone the other day and I was explaining that they were asking about my seizure,
how they took all my houses, all my money, oh my god,
blah blah, and I said, you never truly own anything on this
earth anyway. You can have a piece of paper that says you own it,
but if you pissed off the government structures, they just get a judged
stamp, a different piece of paper, and you no longer own it.
The only thing you own is your soul and your integrity, and this is
the one thing they cannot take away from you, no matter what they do
to you. And that is the best feeling on earth. It doesn't matter
if you can sell your soul to the devil and repeat what they want you
to say, but then you truly own nothing. And I think that as
history books look back on this pivotal moment when X was finally freed and the
information of the world could finally be spoken freely. I really do believe we're
on the right side of history. And if you were to ask me if
there's anything worth dying for, it would be for the freedom of humanity and
to be on the right side of history. So I agree with you absolutely,
look yeah, absolutely, And well, I'm just generally in favor of
civilization and the furtherance of civilization, and I think we should always be concerned
that we can regress as a civilization. And if you study history, you
can just see the arc of one civilization after another, as the civilization's rise
and fall through history. We've been in a period of civilization rising very rapidly,
but we should be concerned that it may be cresting, we may subside.
And I have to say, are many times where I get late stage
civilization vibes, you know, and I'm just worried that maybe we're cresting as
a civilization and have set it for a fall. So, yeah, well,
I agree with you because I truly believe and a lot of people have
ever said this before me. This is not original idea, but I think
as ai and machines and tech increases, a lot of people are going to
be deemed useless by the overlords. And then you have to sit and decide
what are they going to do with all these people who have hopes and dreams
and they want healthcare, and they want garden, and they want house to
live in, and they don't want to be treated like cattle. They're going
to become extremely inconvenient. So I don't think many people at home understand that
this war cannot be avoided. I've had a lot of people who understand why
they threw me in jail in Romania and understood I've done nothing wrong, and
they said to me, why do you take up this fight? Why you
don't just delete your Twitter and disappear and drive a Ferrari all day? And
I explain that this war cannot be avoided. You're either on the front line
and you're fighting for something, or you're sitting waiting to die. You're wing
for the Mongol Horde to come over the horizon and truck your head off.
No, I totally out of it. And just to throw this in there,
if you read Elon, I knew you were doing great work when I
saw you six months ago at the World Government summit where they're all detained.
We're going to make everybody eat bugs and world make the decisions. But microchip
sentiment, you said, we don't want a centralized system. We want a
diverse system. We want firewalls, And I don't agree with this tower of
Babel you're building. They know that we go through cycles, and they want
to artificially create a great reset collapse in their own words, to make everybody
else for consolidate power and they'll have a smaller Type two civilization for themselves.
And I think you're trying to build a Type two civilization or even a Type
one civilization. I should say for all of us. And you said we
need to have a debate about we need to have a debate about going interstellar.
We've got to expanid re collapse. And Elon Musk is saying, correct
me if I'm wrong. You don't stay in stations. You either expand or
you collapse. Yeah, xactly. You either brow your or your collapse.
You don't. A steady state is basically an impossibility. So you have to
pick it. You have to make a choice if you want to grow civilization
or do you want to decline in collass because you know steady state is it
is not stable. So and I say we grow, and I say we
expand, and we have more humans and we become a multiplanist species in a
space frank civilization and ultimately be out there among the stars. And I think
that is the exciting, inspiring thing for the future, not a declining human
civilization that dwindles to nothingness and where humanity dies with a whimper. And that's
the bottom line. I think it is the battel of people who believe in
humans and humanity and wanted to expand against people who were so selfishly going through
the earth and so selfishly orientated that they don't care about expanding civilization. They
just want to control the humans that are currently here. And Andrew totally let
me throw this caveat because I've read the writings of Bill Gates and claud Schwab
and the Club of Rome. They know we could easily expand there's plenty of
room, one hundreds of billions own galaxies. They know that this was just
a seed. This can not just grow to one giant oak, but an
entire forest, an entire universe. And so they want to shut everybody else
down because they can't do a competition. Elon Musk to come out of the
general public. They want a global tyranny so they can direct it and control
it, so that they direct the expansion. And we can't let that happen
because they literally talk about it as in a twenty official UN plan, a
ninety percent world popular. So we need to go with the Elon Musk plan.
And that's why I tell people that get upset. They go Elon Musk
is involved in every advancing technology. The globalist they're pushing that too. Well,
technology is like a gun, it's who's hand it's in, and so
we need the gun in the people's hands, the gun of expansion instead of
in the global of hands. And so just because Elon Musk is on the
cutting edge of every technology, don't fear the technology like some Trocolodie fear us
not being in control of it. And Elon is saying, we need it
to be an expansionary human explosion of competition and freedom, not some new dark
age with a tiny breakaway civilization. It's only working for itself. Sharrem RANCHM
No, but you're completely right, because if Elon doesn't push these boundaries,
they will push these boundaries, and once they have the sole control and the
monopoly over such technologies, it's over for all of us. I don't think
most people understand it. Simply is the humanistic view against the death cult view.
And there's people in the world who have no interesting they have no interest
in growing humanity, no interest in advancing the species as a whole. Their
interest is in power and control, and all they want to do is have
absolute power over the people that currently exist. And you can talk about all
the perverse reasons they want to do those exact things, but it's truly scary.
And all the people at home who don't really understand the gravity of this
sight. They seem to think it's right wing left wing. Hy yes,
exactly, don't thinking about it the wrong way. It's a good little lecture.
You're totally exactly this right left is the wrong way to think about it.
It's the sort of the extinctionists versus the pro humans. And once you
see that it's extinctionists versus the human the pro humans, then it becomes very
clear. So elon, when are you going to I know you got one
hundred arms the fire, but I really when you talk about we need to
create a Plan B for humanity, well that's really I mean, I think
an alternate master plan because the global is control right now, you're trying to
rest control with us helping. I mean, when are you gonna put out
your battle plan or you're already putting it out a piece? No, I
mean what I'm saying is that actually I think we should expect humanity, Like
basically, we should have more kids, you know, population should increase,
and we should become a multi planet species and you know, make life multiplanetary,
bold a self sustaining civilization on Mars, and then ultimately, you know,
this will be long after I'm dead, probably, but we all suddenly
we can go to other star systems and go out there, and I don't
know, maybe we'll find some long dead alien civilizations. And I don't think
we want to be one of those lay one planet civilizations that never got beyond
you know, its own planet. I mean, we're gonna, you know,
the alien's gonna think of that. We we gotta make a good showing
team. Human absolutely computing, but it's essential, and truthfully, it's so
amazing we'd even speak about these things. Only two years ago you couldn't even
speak about these subjects. But it's so pertinently obviously anyone who pays attention,
and it is scary and expansion and humanistic views are certainly the way to progress,
and it has to be done. There's no other way. Just like
a business. Just like you guys said, if you stand still, you
die, And it takes a few brave people to break the matrix. You
have to break the dam. And I think bravery is so important because it
puts a crack in the dam and it shows that if there's people out there
brave enough to risk getting canceled risks loss risk law fair, then it's going
to in fire bravery amongst f for the populist, and it becomes extremely hard
to lie to brave. And I think that's one of the largest pandemics of
Earth today is bravery. And when I say bravery, I don't mean that
in any kind of negative connotation. Bravery is being full of love and loving
the people around you, and sticking up for your community and loving where you
live and loving your country. And it's brave to do those things. Then
it's what are the global of children? Are bad? We're ugly humans create
you know, all this racial division. They want us to hate each other,
so we just give up over so the globalist can have the future.
I would just like to say are short sighted too, because the thing is
that you can't really separate yourself from civilization. So I think those of who
are sort of advocate a like believe I think it's just logical to be pro
civilization. You don't actually necessarily have to be altruistic. You just have to
think long term and say, obviously, you cannot exist in a good way
without civilization. I mean, just look at watch one episode of Naked and
Afraid and see how much you want to go live in a forest by yourself.
We're in a very very We're in a super pivotal moment now, and
the reason we're in a pivotal moment is because the machines cannot do the policing
as of yet. My brother and I often talk about how bad COVID would
have been if they had terminator machines. You didn't have your mask on,
You couldn't even appeal to the empathy of the person who knew how insane it
all was. As soon as the machines control the policing, it's absolutely over.
And we're not that far away. So we're in a very pivotal period
now where the bravery that's required to resist the globalist oppression has to happen now
soon it will exists and then over for everybody. Critical crossroads right now in
the entire future of the human destiny. And I called it plan, but
I mean, elon, what do you call it? Just an alternate plan
for humanity? Because we have a debate because because the black Rocks and the
Bubblos are right now in control, if they were one hundred percent control,
you and others have helped rested, maybe they're an eighty percent control they're losing
control very quickly as people discover what they're doing. But what would you call
the debate and discussions about a pro human future? Humanity? Yeah, to
humanity, absolutely, that sounds that sounds good. But you know, I
think like something that's that that is really important. It is like you just
literally you have to have kids. There's no next generation, Alex. Do
you have kids? Yes? I do. I'm not as prolific, but
I wish I was the best thing in my life by a four. Okay,
great, and Andrew, I do a few. I won't let you
down. Elon, I'm coming. I'm to take over your title. I'm
coming to take over and doing my best. You know, I use my
good looks for something. Well. I think we order to encourage people to,
you know, have kids. And this is the bottom line argument.
This is what it's so important. We just talked about how the globalists are
ultimately selfish and only cares, but most the globalists don't have children. You
guys are all attacking the globalists. But if you ask a globalist, like
I have friends who would I would consider globalists with you ask them their ideologies
are aligned that they believe that somebody living across the world is just as valuable
as somebody who lives in America. And I know, you know there's already
enslaved the third world. And that's not how everybody who you would categorized as
globalists the top are depopulation. Maybe if you want to look at the top,
you can say globalists at the top. Some of them might have that
view. But you know, if you just talk to an ordinary person who
views themselves as a globalist, they're not saying, oh, you know,
I'm evil. They're not an evil person. They just had this belief that
everybody, every human being around the globe is equal. I would call that
a's international. Say globalist wants one world government run by corporation. Yeah,
I mean, I think you can label them differently, but I think if
you talk to somebody, well, theer was the globalist, Bega Presidentity was
the globalist. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but their number
one rule is the earth's fall, we can't expand we've got a beam count
and put every body on rations. We've got a social engineer and in the
normal human program. Because humans are failed, they want to turn us into
factory farm humans. Those are lot of if you just say, like,
some of these titles are a little confusing. If someone say someone's an internationalist
or a globalist, I think where what can achieve some dissambiguation here is to
say, like, did this someone have as an axiomatic belief that there are
too many people on the Earth or do they not? Do they have do
they believe that the Earth can sustain the current population or do they think it
cannot? Now, the reality is Earth can actually handle a human population probably
ten times larger than the car population. Earth is actually very sparsely populated.
Humans. We only see dacity because if we're in a of an environment like
New York or Boston, London or something like that. But if like He'll
be like a good test. If you took a plane from Ellie to New
York and you try to drop a bully ball and hit somebody, your chances
of success are basically zero. You'd have to drop ten thousand balling ball.
Maybe yes, you just and I'll tell you sort of something about the mainstare
of people. A little bit is that there are thousands of objects only onto
Earth from space all the time. But how often do you hear about someone
actually getting hit by falling out by meteorites. There's one known case of a
woman what your house getting on. I would just respond to ed actually for
a second, because again when it comes I want to I think it's good
to get a good counterview here. I think that there's two different things going
on it. And I know what you're I know what you're trying to say.
There's a separate point about your obligations, right, so you can and
I believe a lot everything has been said about the importance of expansionism for humanitarian
for humanity being pro civilization and expansion pro human race to win. That's like
a separate axis though from saying where are your obligations? Where you are right?
So we talked about procreation and family, then we talked about the nation.
Well, look, I have two kids. As a father, my
moral obligation, I believe is first and foremost to my family. And then
let's say, as a president, my moral obligation is to the citizens of
the nation that I lead. And then you can worry about hunger and the
congo or whatever else needs to happen in the darf or in other places.
And so I don't think that you're saying necessarily that life at home exactly,
and that's not saying that life abroad is any less valuable inherently. And so
when you say, like the globalist view is that all it's saying is that
all life is equal wherever it is on Earth, it's not like I think
the view, an alternative view is countering that. There's also just a separate
place in terms of where you're situated. Where's your obligation, right is,
as a father, it's to your family. As a president, it's to
your country. And just because you believe that's the hierarchy of your obligation,
mean somebody else is the leader of one of those other countries and that's an
obligation that they have too. But that's a different discussion. The neoliberals,
in their own pr they're the ones doing the worst things on the earth.
They just say, oh, we want global government because we want to give
Africa's representation. Then they lock them down for three years and start thirty million
of them to death and then organize them to flood us. Is a political
underclass. This is cold blooded. Ten Rey Kissinger's Chaine Department random two hundred.
I mean it's not black. I think it's different conversations, and then
we'll go to day Andrew. What what I do believe is black and white
is simply, if you read a history book, you'll see the worst things
that humanity have ever done have been good with good intentions. That's what's so
bad about evil acts is that people think doing the right thing, and that's
the most dangerous thing about it. And this idea that they look at all
human life is sacred and all the same, I actually disagree. I think
the reason they will prioritize people in a third world country, for example,
you'll say it because they see us as equal. I think it is because
they see us now as spoilt and annoying. They don't like that we need
pensions and living space and healthcare. They simply want slaves in a robot class,
and they'll do anything it takes to get it, and they'll get it
from anywhere they can. And when someone comes along and says, well,
my intentions are good, I'm not interested in that. Because you can name
any holocaust or any atrocity in history that people didn't think they were the bad
guys. They often thought they were the good guys. And I guess the
easy way to look at life is you want to be having as made children
as possible. You want to pray other people do the same, and you
want those people to enjoy freedom. And anyone who's coming along restricting speech,
restricting access to certain things, restricting movement, restricting. All they're doing is
trying to restrict so they can control. And nobody in a history book ever
who did that either was the good guy. I think it's very clear to
see who's on the right side of history and who isn't. And I advocate
freedom for everybody. If I disagreed with absolutely everything Alex said, I'd still
be glad he's back on X. And these people can't even handle a different
opinion. Do you think they're going to allow the people of a different opinion
to them to share Walter, or share food, or share anything else once
they are And the reason they don't want another opinion is they want to misrepresent
with Elon Musk or Andrew Tait or Vivid Ramaswani or any of I'm telling you,
they want a silence so they can lie about what we said. Yeah,
I agree with you, I have a que Jackson. I'm going to
go to your run off to day. I mean, I'm just saying I
agree that with you there. I think that a lot of the media and
a lot of these platforms do want to silence voices because they want their voice
to be heard louder. So yeah, I definitely here you there, I
definitely don't. I definitely when it comes to globalists, I think, you
know, it's not black and white. You're not either a globalist or you're
not. I think people fall in between, and they have There's different reasons
for why people might feel one way about one. You know, you could
say globalist idea and another. So I mean, I don't like painting people
like, you know, with a black and white pen because I feel that
everybody falls somewhere in the middle. That there are people that want a corporate
world government whose aim is depopulation, not giving the general public access technology by
lying about resources and literally saying carbon dioxide that plants breathe is evil and then
telling us the world's gonna end a twenty thirty and the eyes capture all in
the melt, and none of that's true. So our children basically give up
all the future, decided not to have children, that's all I'm saying,
Elon Munk, if we're voting an optimistic pro human feature the science that evidence
shows is real and that we need gentlemen, I have to know. Yeah,
I just started exactly what clear about. I'm super pro human and I
mean old humans, you know, Givens in America humans and everybody else her
phone open to the bathroom and that's that show phone. The fact I'm not
able to meet you, go ahead, Sorry about that. Well, I
hope I feel great. Thank you guys. So, yeah, you know,
I'm super pro human, like for Team Humanity here, and I just
think we want to make sure that people have a positive view of the future.
And like, I think I entire a lot of people who have actually
very pessimistic conclusions about the future. And if you say, if you try
to unpack that and say, where does that pessimism come from? And I
think these are like, you know, good people, like they have good
intentions. I think they think about things can come from. Is believing that
that there are too many humans on the planet. This is false. Earth
can easily sustain far more than the car population. But they've been told this
thing and they've believed it, and it is false. And very pro environment
Obviously I might have done more about more, you know, absolutely I might
have done more, you know, for sustainable energy than maybe any single human,
So I you know, I would consider myself an environmentalist, but I
also believe in physics and reality and not sort of being alarmist about things and
was really smart. And I was because I've seen the equations amount of mathematician
or rocketshids like you. But we need the fossil fuel to get to the
new technologies, and you can't cut them all off and then not have it.
They're blowing up the bridge that gets them there. I would like what
I would like to say my final point. I would like to say.
I often get asked by people who follow me. They say, who do
you think who controls the world? Who do you think the matrix is?
And I use the matrix as a very simple way to explain that they purpore
a false version of reality that everyone buys into to keep your mind occupied so
they can extract your body heat from you for the soulless machines, which are
essentially essentially the globess we're talking about. And I try and say that I
still believe that we run the world. There's a lot more of us than
them. We still control the world. It's just down to what we will
accept and what will allow them to do to us. And that's why bravery
is so essentially and so essential and so important. And I know I can
come across a brash with my message, Well you're not I'm telling sixteen year
old. I'm telling sixteen year olds to go and get rich and buy a
fast car and train hard and go to the gym, et cetera. Because
these young men are far less likely to blindly comply, and it's extremely important
that they don't sile off the next generation of young masculine youth. And that's
why the system was scared of you, Andrew, because hug doing version of
it to shock them out of it, to show them how to have a
destiny, how to have desire, how to want to be into the future.
Then you're right, we still control the world, and it's down to
what we will accept, and it's going to take bravery and love. You
need to love the people around you, and love the human race, and
love the place you're from. And I just want top up by thing that
I would never kill myself and if they put me back in that dungeon to
starve. I hope you will all do your very best to get me out
because I'm we will love you. Can I just trust something happens. I'm
gonna talk to you on musk here and everybody else and this is a real
Andrew take them Ray is crazy. John. I've got a friend I want
to get on. We also have Mark. Guys just really stood up for
free speech. He's on the line. If you get a question, I'm
want to leave Alex, but I just want to say a welcome on Twitter,
and I think there will be more truth than not all as equal,
So hail to the truth. Take it my one quick question. So,
I guess the premise as to why Alex was banned so long was that,
you know, he supposedly lied about in atrocity and that goes against ex community
guideline. That's actually that's not quite correct. The at least was before you
know I acquired the company. But the actual reason for stenting him was he
basically assaulted a journalist. Well, it wasn't like your purpose for keeping him
believed because the media had said that. Now he's learning that, right.
I'm just going off of what looked I just looked at the logs for reason
for suspension that was basically a third strike violation, a third trick violation was
insulting a journalist. And yeah, this is literally this This was not my
decision. This is literally the Twitter logs of the old people that used to
run Twitter. Yeah, I get. I guess what I'm saying is like
under your leadership, though the suspension was kept in place. I remember you
tweeted out because you're not going to bring someone back who lied about you know,
the death of innocent children. So if that's the case, then and
and we're going to uphold things fairly and firmly for all x users colleens that
like if Alex or anyone else on this panel lied about Sandy Hook or an
atrocity again, that they would also be banned. Again you already answered that,
yeah, I've already yeah, Okay, So so if that is the
if that is the case, the law and will adhere to the law.
That is what this platform will do. So so if somebody says it just
does something illegal, then they will be suspended. If they do not do
something illegal, then that they may we will try our best to avoid any
kind of permanent bands unless someone does something fundamentally illegal. Elon, I don't
know, We don't know. Just trying to stay true to the Constitution of
the United States and the United in America and the laws of the country as
decided by the citizens. Elon and Elon way more interesting. And I just
asked one question to Elon. Elon, it's great having you here in Texas.
You're kicking ash, You're Texas through and through your whole spirit. We
love you. Whatever happens with Trump down the road, should we change the
constitution so you can run for president? Would you ever think about that.
I would like to stay as a technologist and build rockets and electric cars and
you know, things that technologies that hopefully have a good effect on the world
and advanced civilization. That would be my preference. I would not like to
be president, so that would I would just like to build things that are
further civilization. That that's a smart I think that's a smart answer. Are
you concerned if the deep state establishment, you know, it's not just one
group, is able to kill Trump or not let him run for office for
the repercussions, I mean, are you optimistic for the future currently or just
how do you feel about the election coming up? Well, I think it
will not be a boring yet, that's for sure. I think it's going
to be it's going to be eventful. I suspect, I don't know,
you seem to be quite concerned that people will try to assassinate Trump, but
I don't know if I obviously and gainst assassination generally. So you know,
I guess Hitler was alive, I'd be faver assassinating him. But you know,
but you know, Stlin, you know that kind of thing I would
be. Your attitude is tell the world of freedom in humanity two point zero
and a new renaissance. The establishment will just step aside because our ideas are
so good? Is that what you're saying? Look, I think what I'm
saying is that I think it is it is very difficult to predict the pure
sure that we're certainly going to have a very contentious election and have some contentious
elections worldwide. The X platform will strive to be as as true full as
possible about what's going on, and to you know, that's going to be
the goal. And you know, facelex is gona built rockets and tell us
gona voute cars and ask for what will happen? And I mean, I
don't know what's going to happen, but I think, man, is there
any big twenty twenty four is getting quite the encore for twenty twenty three?
Is my suspicion. I know you've talked about incredible jets, you want to
invent some other things. Is there any other big advntion that you've got on
the drawing board in the back of your mind that you haven't announced the world
that you want to tell people about today. No, this would not be
the forum for announcing any new products of technologies. I mean that we do
have, you know, the neuralink chip, which I know some people might
be concerned about, but that's really something that will take a lot a very
long time to you know, be in any kind of widespread use. We've
got the first use, the first patient. We'll get a neural link chip.
This is a quadriplegic, and we'll enable them to control their computer and
their phone. And then my uncle was in a motorcycle accident and was about
and he was having seizures, were about to die, couldn't even walk.
He got what it's not one of your brain ships brain. Yeah, and
actually he can walk and talk and is happy now, so that's not exactly
so, I mean, it's it's the regulatory stuff on this is is very
intense. So that but for the first one we'll have you know, you
think of a sort of like like a telepathy. You can sort of control
your computer informed just by thinking. So it's like kind of like telepathy.
And then the one after that will be I know, we're trying to think
of a name for it. But you can think about like blind site.
Even if somebody has lost both eyes or lost the optic is completely blind,
we can actually give them some amount of sight. I think high resolution site
Doughty look forward from saw trek. You could actually see in multiple wavelengths.
You can see ultra violet and infrared and even see radar if you want.
And by the way, Elon's not lying, even in MIT papers, they've
actually done the test. They actually that's what they say though, is I
know, the problem is just narrowing the side to our bandwidth. They say,
these people see everything right like a full spectrum. Yeah, you can,
you can have it's a point in which you have a camera, you
can have a camera that can receive photons of many wavelengths, so you could
see you know, even in Darcas night and you could see ultra violet.
You can see him for red like so you can even see radar if you
want, so, you know, it would be a kind of thing that
would It's probably Trademark's thing, but I think Blindside is a cool name for
it. For it it's like, yeah, we get one question from Mark
diys because this is a bitch interview ever. Mark Dives is a great journalist.
He stood up for me the last five years when nobody else would Mark.
Quick question from Mark place the comments really just to reinforce to everybody listening,
all the journalists. And thank you by the way, Elon for on
Mute for unbanning Alex, for everything that you're doing for the Platform for humanity.
But I just want to reinforce and I'm glad you're retweeted this Alex.
The reason why Twitter cited Alex being banned, contrary to popular beliefs, is
not because he entertained some conspiracy theorist about Sandy Hook. As crazy as they
work, and Elon just confirmed that the Twitter logs said this. He confronted
Oliver Darcia's public figure on public property when he was working in the capacity of
a journalist, and they said, but Mark, that's whole news. Let's
move on from Alex Jones. Well, talking to what's your question for Elon?
I didn't see the Twitter file in the Twitter files, can you release
data about the choices that were made regarding the trending list? Because the trending
list drives the news cycle, as you know, and they can create a
self fulfilling prophecy by manually inserting topics in there getting people to talk about them.
It becomes a topic, it becomes news. Did I miss that in
the Twitter files or was that just not released? I would like more data
on the manipulation of the trending list to manipulate the news cycles over the previous
ownership. Yeah, well there was a significant manipulation of the trending list and
yeah worldwide. I mean you could just I'd say, like, as a
general rule of thumb, whatever a conspiracy theory you've got about Twitter is probably
true, even more true than you think it is. Are you taking precaution
not? I think I think the path to having a sort of a clean
system is transparency. So that's why, like for community notes, the software
for community notes is completely open source. You can see every line. The
data for community notes is completely open source. You can see the data,
you can see the logic, and you can independently create the community note conclusion,
so you can tell right away if there's a manipulation, and it's always
gonna be some with these things. It is not black or white. It's
there's always going to be some degree of manipulation. But you just want to
try to create put as much sunlight on it, as I say, sunlight's
the best disinfectant. You want to have it be as clear and transparent as
possible. This will minimize the amount of manipulation. So the more visible something
is that the less it is in the shadows, the cleaner it will will
get. Will not be perfect, but it will be much better than anything
something that is hidden. One of the point of help that you're made precautionous
for the possibility of X being banned from the app Store using it as a
save to homescreen type of feature, as you know that's probably a very real
possibility over the next twelve months. But one other thing here and again appreciated.
Is that I would also just politely ask that the inter wars account in
Owen Shore and Rob do their employees of Alex be unsuspended. They were pumped
in with that initial suspension, and maybe I think it's time. I do
believe CNN Violet the terms of service of harassment. They posted a video a
while ago, years ago, showing them harassing a poor old lady because she
shared something on Facebook that originated from Russia and you could see on the house
the Shifter front yard. You can actually see her address on the number plate
right on her house. And that's still on Twitter side. But Mark,
let's not be exactly. Yeah, I've just kind of wanted troll troll and
give a taste of their all. But anyway, I do want to be
clear that you know doxing, which includes revealing the pseudonym of someone, So
I want to be clear. Sometimes some publications have claimed that revealing the pseudonym
of someone is not doxing, when it obviously is will result in at least
a temporary suspension. Will be very reluctant to give per minute suspensions, but
we will give temporary suspensions for any kind of doxing activity or anything that endangers
the health of another point in a meaningful ways. It does not matter who
you are, it does matter how big you are, I should say.
This is one we do have a U N exclusion rule, which is that
if it's a major, if it's ahead of state recognized by the UN,
even if they say things that are you know, kind of crazy, which
they do, then we don't suspend ahead of state just for the same reason
allow sets of state to say crazy things that the UN Assembly that we need
to hear what everybody I was just to ask, I guess you don't like
Nicky Haley's idea of basically doxing everyone. No, that's crazy. The thing
is that a lot of people obviously would face repercussions from their employer, or
from their government or or from some organization if their identity is revealed, and
that would that therefore inhibits the public dialogue. So people, you know,
they've been professors who have been suspended for just for favoriting things on old Twitter.
They literally got suspended for just having a favorite button. This is so
you can say, like, look, if a tenure professor can get suspended
from their job for just liking a post on the x platform, then obviously
there is some need for you know, people to be able to post things
anonymously, otherwise they simply will not be able to speak their mind. Absolutely,
they're losing their job. It's anti whistleblower. But I always want to
say this because I think the comunity does is the best thing ever. Even
if somebody says something really horrible, I think there's could be some buffer zone
to at least let them respond as much as they can before they get banned,
because what I see everywhere is the pr firms will say somebody has said
something they didn't say, they create this woke mob response, then the person's
taken down and then most of the time it's not even true what was claimed.
General, yeah, we're very much going to are on the side of
a freedom of speech, which is really just saying, you know, in
America, we're gonna we're going to uphold the Constitution of the United States,
and that's that's what we're going to do and uphold the most of the country,
and if the laws are changed, will then change our behavior to match
the laws, and we'll do so. And we also can only match the
lows to other countries. Because some nice people will say, well, why
don't you do demand freedom of speech in you know, some other country in
the world. I'm like, well, we don't make the laws in that
country, and we don't adhere to the laws of the country. They will
simply cut us off. And so you know, we can't do more than
that. So that's we're basically what about the other factors you know before going
to general, Friend, you've got obviously laws, but you got the revenue
still running a business, and you've got external pressure. How do you balance
all these when fighting for free speech. Well, we're gonna obviously favor of
free speech. I believe my action has been very clear in this regard that
if it is a choice between money and freedom, we will pick freedom.
General. Yeah, say thank you, Mario, and thanks for hosting this
thing. You're doing a wonderful job. This is really a question for Alex
and Elon in a statement, And I wish Andrew and Vivek were still on.
You know, we've talked about these different sort of array of forces between
you know, the globalists and the humanists or whatever the right descriptors are.
You know, what I would really like to see and I would love to
hear Vivek's take on it, because he's such I think he's such a wonderful
debater. I'd like to know if there's possibility to set up a intellectual debate
between you know, the Alex Jones, Elon Musk, Andrew Tate de Vek,
probably throw Tucker in there. Maybe there's Joe Rogan against a debate,
an intellectual debate against the you know, the Klaus Schwabs, the Bill Gates
is of the world, and then there's other things. But see I well,
but see I but see I disagree. I mean, this is how
we fight today, right we are fighting in an information domain. We Andrew,
you know, I wish he was still long because I love to hear
his take because you know, Andrew starts to imply, and there's a lot
of people that imply this. You know, we're going to move to something
that we don't want to place, that we don't want to be because of
this. Frankly, what I see is a globalist takeover. And I'm all
with you, Alex, and you and I have talked about this a lot.
But what I would really like to see is an intellectual debate and a
challenge you know, I mean otherwise, because twenty twenty four is going to
be from the United States, is going to be a historically consequential moment in
history. And I would prefer that we extraordinary session that I've been listening to
for the last couple of hours here, and I would really like to hear
at least Alex said, because you're on and I think, Elon, what
do you think about setting up some type of intellectual debate or at least array
that you know, on excess respect on X on X or or however,
Yeah, I would love to see them come on X to do this.
Would you, Alex? What would you be open you and eland would you
be open for such a debate? Well, well, let me just throw
this thing shop with the bidder and then they'll all take over. It should
be on X. But they had the last Republican debate and it had like
five million viewers. This is going to have fifty million viewers. We keep
acting like dinosaur media even still matters. It should only be held on X
and I would love to see it this format or added video component to it.
Yeah, yes, we would challenge challenge their intellectual idea. I'm sorry,
that's my point. That's my point. We have to challenge their intellectual
arguments and in general, what's I'm just going to say that from a future
standpoint, we are working on adding videos to spaces, so it'll just be
a simple thing where you can turn video on or off and and then go
over speaking at the video will switch to them, just like if it's a
I guess like a group call or something like that. So that I think
will help, you know, because it's helpful to see people's body language as
I speak. It's it conveys more information if you can see they're facing their
their body language if they were when when do you think when do you think
that will When do you think that will were? I think we were hopeful
of We hope to release that functionality before the end of the year, but
certainly by early next year. Huge. Well, that's a big technology.
That's a big one. That's big. Yeah, I've got to see but
that's very big. So that's pretty frankly, but yeah, it'll be cool.
I think. Yeah, it's just fascinating how fast spaces. I remember
being on spaces since the early days three elon to see how five's gone and
to be able to have discussions like this. I don't think the audience understands
there's never been any platform where voices from all sized voices that were all speaking.
Oh, let's clear. The more renovations, I'll jump off, But
I just want to say the rather embarrassing Rhonda Santa's situation. I mean,
I really have to credit the you know, the X team for making masking
improvements to spaces because it basically did not work at scale until a massive amount
of work was put into it. It obviously broke rather embarrassingly in the Rhonda
Santas situation, and we didn't realize how fragile and weak it was. And
since then we've put massive work into making spaces actually robust and be able to
have you know, you can have at this point millions of people listening simultaneously.
It's very difficult to do. I've never seen an interface that works just
good. I mean, you've got a whole how you're doing this. General
Flynn did bring up the best question in the last two hours, so I'm
sorry I was like getting so excited and interrupted the General. He's absolutely right,
we should be challenging them to debate us. I agree with you,
General, that's really a key point. I'm saying they're too cowardly to do
that. How do we objact your commutey Jack? But you go ahead just
quickly before you continue, Alex Elon, I don't know if you remember.
I think the first space he came on and we hit one hundred pay live
listeners and it broke, so it would it show? Yeah, I don't
know underdoing it nine thousand right right now? One hundred nine thousands. Yeah,
I don't know how you do it, but I know that it's that
we have to do it. We don't have a I think we are in
a place where we don't have a choice right now. I think the intellectual
arguments on their side, I just think that they're gonna fall flat and they
don't really have a good argument. And Elon mentioned it early on about you
know how much energy it takes to lie. I mean, it just does
to lie to so many damn people. But we have to pick this fight.
It has to be intellectual. Our intellectual arguments are much much stronger,
and I just think we have to have the right type people, and you
know those people have been on here today and invite these people. I mean,
if they're is, they don't want to come. We call them out
as cowards. I mean, wait a minute before and everybody wait a bit,
General Flint, hold on, man, I'm gonna call you out right
now. Eating bugs, drag clean, story time, open borders, World
War three. You're saying that's not how you're saying. Their plan isn't wonderful.
Hey, for a guy that has had to eat bugs, Alex,
they don't taste very good. So yeah, I'll go one step further.
I think we should see you two v two mm a duel between now Alex
versus Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates. I love that'd be the real I think
Elon should call him out. It'll be bigger than the top UFC fight.
If those cowards will show up, my god, it'll be their waterlow heyln.
Do you know how the media works. You want to give, you
want to call them out, and then you'll get that snippet all over the
media. Well, I'm certainly happy to have a debate with Koshwab or others.
You know, I think you guys may have been following what's going on
in Davas more than I have, or and certainly more than the vast majority
of people have. I think most people don't even know that there is a
conference in Davas or the World Economic Forum. And I've only seen snippets,
but you know, some of the snippets are concerning, and you know,
I don't. I don't think we should have a sort of an unelected quasi
governmental organization deciding our future. That's I mean, who said, who made
them the boss? I don't. I mean, do people even know that
they're doing this? Like I'm not okay with some organization. You know that
I don't vote for controlling you know, my destiny or that of other people,
So then that I don't know if they're necessarily fully controlling. There certainly
are influencing things, and you know, and it's you know, I just
don't. I think an unelected world government is not a good idea. Well,
but on that point, ceg I'll go to you right after for a
question, then to them. But on that point, how much control you
kind of change it, whether they control or influence, because on one side
you've got people that say, you know, they control the world. Every
decision is kind of influenced or you know, the decision behind the world.
On the other side, there's the people making the argument that they're trying to
do the right thing and things have been taken out of proportions full of conspiracy.
Where do you think on that spectrum in your opinion, we stand well.
I mean, the original premise of the World Economic Forum was to have
some kind of forum where there would be interaction between government leaders and commercial leaders
sort of has the corporations and governments and that that there is some forum for
them to talk, and that like, that original premise I think is not
a bad one because right now you've got the u N but that's just government
to government, and you've got you know, a bunch of sort of individual
situations where commercial leaders will meet with government people one on one. But there's
the you know, there's sort of the good part of the World Economic Forum
is like it is like it's probably good to have some dialogue between commercial leaders
and government leaders internationally. That's the that's I think the positive side, and
that's originally how I heard about the World Economic Forum, and I was invited
to speak there many years ago, which I was just too busy working and
I was like, well, I can't really go spend five days in Switzerland.
I've I've worked to do in America so then, and they really wanted
me to come talk there but also pay them twenty thousand dollars, and I'm
like, that doesn't make sense, so I declined the invitation. And it
does seem that since inception, perhaps this organization has gained a bit too much
power and a bit too much influence, and I think it probably, you
know, it should have less power and influence in my opinion. Gonta A
quick question tweeted about the imprisonment of the American Chilean Gonzala Lira in in heark
gives Ukraine yesterday. I'm curious if that imprisonment of an American for speaking his
mind on YouTube and x has caused you to consider further support for Ukraine,
albeit through starlink or other means. And also unrelated to that, can you
provide any updates about starlink for Gaza. Yeah, I mean, I generally
think. Look, I understand that if somebody, if an American citizen is
in another country and valleys, that could that country's laws or what those countries
laws, even if their actions would not violate the laws in the United States,
that person would then be put in prison. But in the case of
Ukraine, the United States are providing a vast amount of aid to Ukraine,
and the United States government has an obligation to protected citizens. And so I
think even if one disagrees with what you know that I guess YouTube were a
journalists depending on your perspective what they posted. I feel uncomfortable sending massive aid
to Ukraine. If they're putting Americans in jail for doing videos on YouTube,
that's not cool. And it's like that, and it could say like,
Okay, well yeah, but Ukraine has the sovereignty in their country. It's
like, yeah, but they don't have a right to our money as well.
So it's like they don't have a right to our money and support and
to imprison and mistreat American citizens. Well, well that's right. Look a
dog in the fight Russia Ukraine. It's you know, an old, ancient
fight when the two cutriess are gone for a thousand years. It's a Slavic
civil war. But Ukraine is arresting the Orthodox Church Ukraine. Even the mayor
of Kieva said Zelenski's becoming a dictator. So all I'm saying is this black
hole we're feeding hundreds of billions into we should at least be able to debate
it. And if an American journalist is critical, he doesn't deserve to be
put in a gulag. That's very dangerous. I agree, Elon. As
for starlink for Gaza, yeah, understalling for Kaza front, I mean obviously
that place is currently a warfront. Next level, so in order force be
used and Gaza terminals have to be brought in and they have to be you
know, used in a way that whereas where it is, there's a high
degree of certainty that they are not being used for any violence. So now
there are only really two ways to get into Gaza. One is through Egypt
and the other is through Israel. So if there was, like you know,
a situation where I say, Egypt was willing to let stalling terminal in
and that we could have very high certainty that the terminal would not be used
for any kind of military purposes or for violence, then then we would support
that Egypt does not step forward to the best of my knowledgy in that regard,
And obviously we're not going to be played for fools here where you know,
if an organization would perhaps pretend to be using stalling for peaceful purposes but
then actually use it for violent purposes. We will basically ask for a webcom
on that thing twenty four to seven, and if there's the slightest concern about
it being used for violent I means it would be turned off. So that
that's the situation there. I mean, it is a very difficult situation.
And I you know, I am sympathetic to Israel, but I also you
know, I'm sympathetic to civilians in Gaza, so I'm pro human, to
be clear, and you know, so it's just like, here's the deal.
I'm not pro Russian, I'm not pro Ukraine. I hate the war
on pro all of my greed. But when you learned that they were using
starlink to rig up robot boats to blow up battleships, when Russia said they
were going to launch nukes that they did, you didn't sign up Starlink to
be a weapon system. It's very fair to say it's my company's well,
yes, it's to be clear, the Crimea and the sort of stee around
Crimea was an officially sanctioned area by the United States, and we were not
actually so the Starlink cells were not turned on in Crimea, in the area
around Crimea because of US law I would prevent us from doing so. There
was a Ukrainian attempted attack on the fleet in Sebastopol, and I got an
emergency call saying like, hey, we need to turn on the cells around
Sebastball and I'm like, well, that's currently a U S sanction zone.
We would need permission from the US government to do so, and in fact
I don't, And it would also mean that we are directly complicit and in
an attack on the Russian fleet directly this is it wouldn't be there's no plausible
deniability here. Now if even though you know, I'm not the biggest fan
of President Biden, but if freend Colton said, you know, as the
you know, you know, as the president, I says, I'm asking
you to turn the sales on, I would have done so. But we
did not get any such call. We were only called by the Ukrainian government.
And the Ukrainian government is not my boss, so you know, it's
like and so that we can't like, it would actually be illegal for me
to turn on Starling cells at the request of a foreign government. In a
territory sanction by the United States, which they were US law. So it's
like up, yeah, it just but the medium misrepresented it as I turned
off the sales. This is not true. They were never on, and
if I turned them on, I would have broken US lull and I would
need an exemption from this date popment and express written permission from the President in
order to do And that's why I blink in it. Yeah. So,
and I do think we need to be courcious about escalating that war, and
we need to find a path to piece and not have not to sacrifice the
flower of Ukraine and Russian youth ultimately for nothing, for a few miles of
territory, which is currently what's been going on for the past year with this
question. Let me go to Cgen. I'll go to you. Let me
go to C Gen. I'll go to your right fist. DJ. Hey,
Mario, thank you, thank you, Yeah, thank you so much
Mario for hosting this son. My name is C. J. Pearson.
I'm a twenty one year old conservative activist and I currently work at Brigger University
and General Flynn made a really important point a little bit earlier about how Twitter
has made it super accessible for conversations like this to happen debates and discourse,
and Alex I think also made the point earlier that if you look at the
debates and the view viewership that they've had, you don't really see them reaching
all that many young people via traditional cable channels. And one idea that conservative
activists like myself have had different gen Z conservative lussers have had is having a
gen Z moderated debate or count hole what's the Republican primary candidate and exclusively streaming
it here on X. What would you think about something like that? Do
you think that would be a way for America's ex generation to hear different ideas
that they obviously aren't hearing currently on their college campuses. Well, actually I
don't believe in but I think that not doing it on the X platform,
it doesn't It makes no sense. Things should be done on the X platform
because it is the most widely accessible platform. It is where you will see
it has by far the most reach. The X platform has by far the
most reach of anything you know that you know, although like I'm this conversation,
I don't know, it might top out at maybe a few hundred thousand
people live, but it will probably go viral afterwards, and I don't know,
probably have ten ten million people listen to it or twenty on them.
You to any space, we had eighteen million. This is a memory.
Yeah, So I mean the way to think of this platform is that they're
on an average day, there are over two hundred and fifty million people on
the platform as an average days. Some days it's more like three or four
hundred million, and a really crazy day could be like five hundred million.
So I mean, we're, you know, just at times, we're starting
to approach ten percent of all humans who are online are on the platform.
Well, elon, So it's a great big number, and we don't even
and we're obviously not active in trying. It's not we're you know, X
doesn't work in trying. It actually works on international phones but not domestic bones.
And I believe there's also does not work in Russia. So so that's
I think we do exceed ten percent of all humans at times on this platform.
So it seems crazy to ignore this platform because then you're just going to
reach far fewer people. Well, well, elon. Bottom line here,
the proof is in the pudding, you judge tread about the fruits. You
are the only massive platform that's opening free. People are hungry, it's exploding.
This is the example for the world, and we're trying to stop war.
We're trying to in a pro in future. This is what this is
really all about. But very honored, Alex. Before before you're honored,
they just give you an idea of how spaces works. And just in the
last couple of hours that was meant to be an interview with you. Then
Elon jumped on, Andrew Tay his brother. We just had Vivek jump on,
and Matt Gates just jumped on as well. Love and it's one thing,
one thing with space if you just never know who could come up.
Matt, how are you? I'm great. I'm enjoying here in Elon's perspective
on adding value to all of our followerships and allowing us to engage your thoughts.
On Alex Jones being back on the platform, I think it's great.
Alex has been someone who's provoked a lot of critical thinking from policymakers and broad
audiences. You know, of course, there are things that I'm gonna say
that would offend people, things that Alex would say they would offend people,
but I think they'll just have to be offended. I think it's I think
it enriches the discussion to have Alex back. Yeah, I've got a few
questions. My first question is we've seen extremely positive steps in terms of the
return of Alex Jones. We've seen the return of Andrew Tater, We've seen
the return of President Trump, and so EX is definitely moving towards the free
space platform. Of question is when will we be able to get to a
situation where it's completely free speech and it's just based solely on following the legal
laws of the country. I know it's a process and it takes tamp How
far do we envision this happening? How far in the future? Well,
well, I mean I think we've made traumatic progress over the past year.
You know, it's only been a year since the position closed, and it's
been quite difficult to We had to not just seep the wheels on the bus,
but upgrade the bus whilst going down the highway. Wells Thomas Jeffersons said,
we will not be transported a state of liberty on a feather bed.
Is he on back? And now I think he's now you're back, Okay,
Sorry, Yeah, I'm just saying it's been quite difficult to keep the
wheels in the bus and upgrade the bus while going barreling down the highway one
hundred miles an hour, So that's kind of worth But I think we've made
tremendous progress in the year and we'll I think that progress, I think is
accelerating. So and you know, if we keep cleaning up the code base
and simplifying it, providing more transparency and providing more clarity and obviously improving freedom
of speed each and getting closer and closer to the law. And I just
want to say, with respect to the law, I am a strong believer
in the law. So you'll you'll sometimes read an article with where it sounds
like I'm some crazy maverick who just likes breaking the law. I am subject
to so many laws, might be hundreds of thousands of laws, maybe millions.
Where do you think about Tesla and SpaceX and Starling and all the countries
that they're in, and all the regulatory regimes and all the rules and regulations
that we have to adhere to. And the amazing thing is how closely we
actually adhere to the law and follow the law and do what countries belief is
right and legal. And once in a while, in a fairy rare case,
I might disagree with the law of regulation, but we will not willfully
violate. So you know, so what I'm trying to say is I'm extremely
law abiding. I totally agree with you. I don't know how you have
the energy. People talk about Trump's energy. Your energy is insane. Where
does your energy come from? Going back to being a child, did you
kind of because we know the universe is a loop or a figure eight?
He does it just go in one direct? Did you have inklings of the
big things you were going to do or when you were a child, did
you have any like foresight about what you were going to be doing? No,
not really. I just you know, I liked technology and like taking
devices apart and fixing them and building things. And I loved science fiction fantasy,
you know, like Lord of the Rings and Pineland and Asimov and Star
Trek and Star Wars and that's and I didn't know what I was gonna do.
I like to like programming computers. I found programming computers to be intrinsically
interesting, not because that'sought i'd have a job, actually didn't got out of
a job. I know, you could even make money write computer software,
but I was just interested in it in and out itself. So I programmed
computers all night by you know, by myself, which is not you know,
it doesn't appeal to everyone. That's I think, actually quite an unusual
thing to want to sort of type strange symbols and joke computer all night essentially
by yourself is a well, not what most people want to do. But
I did like doing that, and they're also like, you know, hanging
out with friends and stuff. But no, I didn't think this, any
of this would happen. I'm just I would say, I have a philosophy
of career, which is, you know, try and understand more about the
nature of the universe and I'll place in it. And that's why I studied
physics, not for career reasons, just trying to try to understand how the
universe actually works and what has good predictive value. And physics has got very
good predictive value, so that's why I study it. Then give us your
predictive value gut level elon mush the I mean, this is like beyond any
Hollywood movie where we're right now, does humanity survive? Gut level? You've
got all these great children. That means you bet on humanity. Do we
make to the next level? And what is the next level? You don't
need them, sorry, you need one needs to think of the future as
probabilities and not certainties. So then any given action that we do can affect
the probability of a good outcome. There are no certainties that I can determine,
or at least I don't have a crystal bowl. We're changing the future.
Yes, I think by our actions, we can individually take actions that
improve the problem lady of a good future and the furtherance of civilization. And
I think we should, you know, take those actions. And you know
some of that, we've got to have kids or they won't be a next
generation. And we've got we've got to educate them well. And I think,
you know, like some no civilization. Let me ask this questioning long
because you're obviously a genius. We're here talking right now. Don't predict the
future. Be the future. Yes, the best way to the best way
to I think I'm going to came up with us. But the best way
to predict the future is to create it. Yes, and I do want
to. Jason Glacantis is here and decided. Let me go to Jason quickly,
sim and I'll go to you in a bit. Jason, A quick
question to you. First, would you have Alex Jones on the All In
podcast? Sorry to put you on the spot. Well, I have him
here now, so would it be okay if I asked him? Yeah?
But far more today? And please? Well, Alex, my first question
for you is, I'm curious if you'd be willing to answer three questions about
the Sandy Hook parents. Oh? Great, yeah, sure, go ahead.
Well, I mean you now have your freedo with speech and you're here.
So I think a lot of people are wondering what theory or evidence led
you to believe that was a fake, staged situation. He's already answered these
questions. Yeah, every time he answered this, like minutes ago. Let
me ask for this, let me ask this. Everything I say is was
the presentative? You'll say, I'm saying it again. I believe it happened,
and I'm sorry and I apologize and I'm done. Okay, And so
what did you get wrong about that situation? Because you're you've investigated these situations
many times, right, that's kind of what you do as an honest or
an entertainer, And so what did you get wrong there? And then work
harm to answer your question? I respect to Elon. I answered this question.
I said, probably the last time I'll ever talk about it. I'm
not going to live a groundhog day. I believe Fanny Hook happened. I've
been through hell over it. I was not the guy that first questioned it.
PR Firms blew it up and made it mindnity. It's not my ownity.
Mynity is humans. Future tea, I'm human. What Elon Musk is
doing, I'm never talking about it again. That's your answer. God,
Okay, So what would you do differently in the future, you know,
when going after some conspiracy theory like this, And do you believe that when
you go after these conspiracy theories they can have real world harm? I you
know your fans knocking on the door parents, But yeah, I get it.
If I will comment on what people are saying on the internet when something
has fifty million views, I will be blamed for their questioning. So I'm
very careful about that. Now. I didn't realize I had thirty million viewers
a day back to because I wasn't looking at the analytics. But yeah,
I've learned a lot of lessons at the media and PR firms will misrepresent what
I'm saying to that attacks themselves to me and play victims. So I'm not
talking about it. I won't even say the name of it. Will says
I'm at X right now and it's blowing up and taking the planet back of
humanity at real Alex Jones. People should follow it there and hear what I
actually say, And I don't talk about the school shooting. That is not
who I am. That's what PR. Yeah, Jason, I should say
that the same issue was the first thing I raised with Alex. He did
answer it at length at the beginning of this Space is the conversation, So
I think you may not have heard the Yeah, I didn't hear the start
of it. I was alerted to this at the towards the end right candidly
whether I agree or disagree with his answer, But it was the very first
thing that I asked when I got on this spaces conversation, just as it
was the first thing that you asked. I think it's the it's you know,
for people that you know care about whether there's sort of empathy and whether
somebody has been cruel or me or something, that's like the first thing they
can ask about. And so that was the first thing I asked about,
and you know it was answered. Why somebody can agree with that ask or
not. No matter how many I answer it, it's never good enough because
I'm that guy. I'm not what they shard. I covered the internet questioning
it. I've already said I'm sorry over five hundred times, three or four
times today, but it's always the same question. I'm not that guy.
I wanted to share the name of it. Yeah, I think people actually
will eventually get tired of your answering the question. And or someone who sawed
out who's listened to the holes spaces, they probably are actually tired of you're
answering the questions to be frank, I certainly patricky is Patrick I am.
Can you hear me? We can, Yes, fantastic. I don't have
any questions. I just have a comment to make the biggest thing is and
I saw I heard Jason's question, and I know Alex answered it at the
beginning with Elon opening it up with him, I had alex On. I
don't know, Alex it was a couple months ago or something. You were
on. We had a great exchange together. The best part about this is
the following. I applaud Elon for you know, the fact that you know,
just a few months ago he said he's not going to have He's not
going to have alex On. And then after seeing what the audience wants,
the survey comes to seventy thirty and keeping that commitment for allowing alex to be
on. The people who have different strong opinions, who are humanists, who
want to defend freedom of speech, defend the same rights that we have,
We're finding each other. And I just want everybody remember this go back to
September of twenty twenty, when Professor Galloway said Elon is full of it.
He's not going to buy it. He's pointed with all of you in and
Elon bought the company. Whatever the price of the company was. Some said
it was fifty percent more of the twenty billion out of company, thirty billion
out of company, pay the entire number. He didn't have to do this
if that purchase wasn't to be made. Think about where America would be today.
I want everybody to think about that part. It's been thirteen months since
then. It's pissed a lot of people off the fact that Elon I applauded
you for standing up to folks who you're saying what you're saying to advertisers,
where what do you have to do be a slave to them? They have
to constantly put that fear in you. We applaud you. You got a
lot of people backing you up. Alex. It's great to have you back
on pushing the envelope. You could be wrong. Everybody could be wrong.
It's not like all of us are always right. We have the ability to
be wrong and when we are, and people can challenge us and move on,
and you know, then they can make a decision either Look, I
don't like Alex, or I like Alex, great, no problem. That's
the freedom of you know, you have to pick and choose to like somebody's
use or not. But the biggest factor here is somebody had the courage to
use their resources to buy platform like this, to give everybody else to freedom
to debate, to argue, to give their thoughts, to give their opinions.
And at the same time, if you're wrong, you admit to it.
If you're not, you stick to your guns. But best part on
what's going on to the world right now is we are finding each other.
The fighters are finding each other, and that has got to be a very
scary thing to people who oppose the concept of freedom of speed. So I
have no question for Alex, I have no questions for Elan. I just
wanted to jump in and applaud everybody, even those who debate, even those
who agree, even those who disagree. Future looks bright. The right people
are finding each other and I plod all of you. That's all I wanted
to say. So Patrick beautifully s brother. Remember Patrick, I apologize for
Sandyhood on your show five. Remember that. I remember that. I remember
that. Patrick. Question for you and you've been here a few times in
you've uploaded spaces and X. When is the show? You've got too many
subscribers on YouTube? When will the X vision launch? When will the X
version launch. I've never had a conversation with Elan, We've never had to
sit down. I totally support what they're doing right now. What we're doing
is we're starting to upload all our episodes on X as well as we're putting
on other platforms. But the direction this is going with a few ass that
was made where we cannot watch the video on two point oh speed. I'm
a two point oh speed guy. I like Mark speed Spot Marx. No,
I totally see it going that direction. But no, I mean,
look, it's look what's going on right now? Look at this live.
How many people are on right now? I don't know what the number is.
One hundred and one hundred and eighteen hundred eight, one hundred and nineteen
thousand on a Sunday where I'm sitting in my backyard and I'm watching my four
kids play soccer, and we're able to jump on and have a conversation like
this. This is insane. The power of what's going on with this.
This is the future. I think this is just the beginning, and the
right guy is driving it. So future looks bright Sef. Yeah, this
question is for mister Musk and mister Gates. So during the twenty twenty election
cycle, we saw a lot of people be either the platformed or noted for
making claims of election. From now the time that those claims were made,
there was no way of knowing they were true or untrue because they hadn't been
litigated yet. So going forward, as we're coming into a new election cycle,
mister Gates, is there anything being done legislatively or in the House to
ensure that doesn't happen again? In the same question to go to mister Musk,
thank you. The strongest I think influence on that censorship regime right now
is the Missouri v. Biden, you know, litigation and the injunctions there
that are being resolved, and some sort of the public humiliation we've put some
of the senior DJ and FBI leadership through as they've had to fess up to
the nature of some of these emails and contacts. We've brought the journalists that
have been covering this Schellenberger and tight be forward to kind of repeatedly try to
set that deterrent. But I think that it's not just about elections. I
mean, it can be about any number of the things that the federal government
wants to control the four quarters of discourse on. And these are the people
who were of like you know, that would have banned Galileo. And yet
when people want to share evidence or experiences or concerns, you can't have the
Department of Public Security and SISSA working alongside NSA and FBI on those projects.
Otherwise people start to fear that if they're not proactively censoring, that they run
a foul of some sort of legal regime. And it's also sickening if you
just track the extent to which a lot of these senior lawyers oscillate back and
forth between big tech and the senior positions in our government that decide these things.
So Republicans of the House should be taking a stronger stand. In my
view, we should be putting writers on the funding for SISSA and FBI so
that you know, anything that would occur there would be so clearly outside the
law that it would draw sanction. But instead we continue to govern by these
continuing resolutions that don't gate resources away from that censorship. Well, actually,
the fact you mentioned that about the FBI insists this has been the huge thing
that's come out of the Twitter files, and it's it was a two way
street. So while you're tracking what the government was doing in twenty VCV censorship
really leaning on regards to the Hunter Drive laptop, which we released in October
of twenty twenty, this is actually a huge question for X going forward into
twenty because Elon, you've said that you want to be in you know,
working in conjunction within the confines of the law. But the question is if
that law is being enforced by the law enforcement agency of the FBI or the
DHS, and then they come to X and say these posts need to be
censored, this information needs to be censored because we've determined whatever it is.
You know, how does X make that determination. Well, if we believe
that something is not in accordance with the law, then we will ask a
judger jury to make a decision, don't We don't have much of it that
that is the best we can do. So and I just want to just
kind of again he'll go cool, Sorry, Yeah, I just wanted to
go that the X platform will aspire to be as neutral as possible, and
you know that's that's to be as open and transparent as possible. I think
we will be. I think we'll achieve maximum transparency. I think I think
we'll be fully transparent, hopefully by early next year. But I'm confident we
will be fully transparent by the time there is an election next year. So
like basically, people, we'll just see anything that is happening on the system
and nothing will be hidden. That is the goal. Well, if those
agencies, though, the FBI, the DHS, et cetera, if they
reach out to X. I believe they called it defensive briefings in twenty twenty
regarding which eventually culminated in the censorship with Hunter Biden. If they started reaching
out again, would that be something that you or the team and no,
I can understand if you don want to answer now, but you would consider
making public where will be as transparent as possible with that, you know.
Yeah? And frankly, if I say I'm an agency is breaking the law
in de Meez on the platform, I would be prepared to go to prison
personally if I think the other ones briefing below Redheads and then Alix and Benny
Great, thank you, Hi everyone. I'm Josie. I'm the redheaded libertarian
and X and I'm a revolutionary historian and I do outside media work at timcast
dot com. I just wanted to jump back to X as a free speech
platform. Elon had mentioned constitutional speech will be protected, and there's some confusion
as to what that constitutes constitutional speech, So I just wanted to help kind
of clarify that for some listeners who might have questions. So the speech and
expression which are not given protections in America under the First Amendment include incitement,
defamation, fraud, obscenity, CP, fighting words, and true threats.
The government does have power to make blanket regulations on speech, including time,
place, manner. That's usually done in the form of permits. And when
it comes to slander and libel, those are defamation adjacent and need to be
proven as there's no such thing as a false opinion in under the First Amendment,
only a false fact. But many times by the time the due process
is through, the damage has already been done. I mean, we saw
that with the k me too movement, particularly with Justice Cavan always saw that
with Alex Jones, the Tates, Nick san Man, Kyle Rittenhouse, where
the kind of propaganda machine took over and and truth was lost for a period
of time. So when it comes to obscenity, that's the hardest constitutional violation
to prove, when it comes to the expression of that, because it's it
has kind of a standard of I know it when I see it. So
there is something called the Miller test to determine whether something is deemed legally extreme,
so I hope that help. We're not doing drag clean story time here.
We're not all for vowels around, haging websites remoting freedom. That's why
we're stucured. Yes exactly, Yes, Hi, I wanted to know you
could. I just wanted to thank Elon for his commitment to free speech or
in sading Alex of course, welcome back, and I just wanted to I
think it was Mark Dice earlier who raised this with Owen Schreyer's band. I
just wanted to note that it didn't have anything to do with the info.
Worst thing. It actually had to do with the fact that he called for
people to come to a rally and Media Matters actually did a hit piece and
they said that it would violate Texas's social Distancing Order. So that's how they
actually got him banned was through a Media Matters hit piece. So in response,
Twitter one point oh banned him. So I just wanted to get any
thoughts on that. What's the perfect timing, Elon? Maybe you can also
give us an update if there is any, on Media Matters and why you
decided it. Yeah, Media Matters is an evil propaganda machine, so I
just generally I'm against evil propaganda machines, and so we are seeing them in
every country that they operate, and we will pursue not just the organization,
but anyone funding that organization. I want to be clear about that. Anyone
funding that organization will be we will pursue them. So Media Matters is an
evil propaganda machine that they can go to hell. I hope they do.
So. Yeah, So I actually I need to, you know, just
step of the call at this point. I just have some family obligations.
I think it's been certainly a very interesting conversation. I suspect this will go
viral, probably snippets of it will go viral in a way that don't entirely
represent the situation. I hope that anyone through reading about it or hears about
it, actually just it takes the time to listen to the entire spaces conversation,
it will be saved. I suspect there will be probably many millions,
not tens of millions of people listening to the conversation. I just hope they
listen to the whole conversation and not just small parts of it. Elan,
I totally agree. Let me just say thanks to reinstate me. I'm going
to do the best job to not be misrepresented. Thank you, Thank you
for the freedom of promoting the pro human future. We're on team humanity.
Thanks for spending two hours with us. Plus and this has just been surreal.
It's really been amazing. Show x is where it's at. Thank you
Elon much heert welcome. Like I said, I'm very much in favor of
supporting the in the United States, the Logan Constitution in the United States,
and I think if we start, you know, eroding, if we e
road freedom of speech, we erode the foundation of democracy. The bedrock for
democracy is freedom of speech. We must do everything we possibly can protect up
well. Thank you Elon for all the time, and I want to thank
the Soul crew. I'm going to be posting a lot of stuff at Real
alex showns on Twitter. People should follow us there. And this has been
the most epic interview ever. I love this New Spaces system and it's just
good to have my identity back to actually say what I actually said versus misrepresenting.
I'm not perfect, but God bless you all, and I really appreciate
Elon Musk and everybody else that is promoting free speech because we don't have free
speech, we have nothing. I appreciate it. Alex and Benny. Maybe
you can guess the final word. I know you've been waiting for a while
to get to have you more. Oh hey, Hi, how are you
doing? Guys? Big kudos Elon, Thank you so very much for creating
this space and obviously for believing in principle more than money. Jack Swagger jacks
my question. I was going to ask about twenty twenty four election integrity and
government interference, so instead I'll ask about out when you told Bob Iger to
go fuck himself a couple of times, asking asked me, he long,
yes, yeah, he was jumped off. I was gonna give you the
final word to wrap up the space, and Alison is jumping out. I
mean that was the moment Lord giving into their intimidation and they're blackmail, go
fuck yourself, New World Order. I was going, as you just miss
it, but give you an idea of the space. And we started off
with Alex. You know, I messaged him to jump on you did they
We had the Tape Brothers come on, Matt Gates. Obviously that's was trying
to be patient. And now I was trying to be paid. I appreciate
it, but I appreciate him. I was good to have you, just
like Patrick Bett David. I'm here with my kids, so I'm like,
I'm like for big, I'm not going to piss live on this, but
you might hear a crying baby. All right. Good to have you many,
Good to have everyone, Alex. Your final thoughts on the Spaceman is
pretty pretty has to come back to text. I don't think it's pretty,
but it's way better than all the shows. It's humanity deciding our free speech
is paramount. Those are trying to know that was free speech or enemies.
We need to actually hear what we actually say instead of what we're told.
Somebody said. Elon Musk is doing a superlegium job to everybody that helped getting
back on X and this whole thing. This is historic, but the deep
state, the empire is going to strike back. So I'll see everybody at
in ful Wars dot com for his last show band dot video. We'll see
at real Alex shows on X. We're gonna hear what I actually say versus
what they claim I say. Because you're adults, you deserve to actually hear
what people are saying versus what they're told you're saying, So that's why this
is so incredibly epic. So God bless you all and good luck. I'll
see it at real Alex shows on Twitter please follow us there. Thanks so
to everyone, we appreciate it.