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Good morning, everybody. Welcome,
Hello everybody out there in speak Free radio

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Land. Hello, Twitter, Hello
Brady On, and hello rumble those of

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you out there who are unaware.
We are going to continue. There's a

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little bit left in this video that
I put together. Now, both of

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those both of those videos were a
Mythvision podcast. We're over three hours long,

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so I broke it down a little
bit. I'm sure there's more there

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that you could get benefit from,
but it was just a little bit too

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much to show everything. So you
can go to YouTube and find myth Vision

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is all one word if you're interested. There's what I find when I listened

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to Derek too long, especially when
he's a you know, he's on the

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screen talking, is that he seems
artificial as whatever. It just doesn't seem

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like he could. Doesn't come across
as somebody who's not honest and sincere.

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But the information that is accurate and
that you can get something out of is

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what I present, not the extra
crap side comment nonsense that is also added

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to it, the little destructive black
pills that are thrown in there with you

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know, some kind of political spin
on them. I take that crap out

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because same thing with NaSTA and format. The person doesn't need to go into

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things that they don't understand and make
themb statements. It discredits them on other

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levels. Or you just realize,
okay, well you got this right,

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but you just got a long way
to go, you know, so let's

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go ahead and bring this up.
We'll get it started right away, and

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then once we're done with this portion, we're gonna go right into the Dan

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McLellan Danny Jones interview where he he's
discussing and I guess apologize, you know,

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like an apologist. But he's a
biblical scholar who put out some posts

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after Ammin Hillman's David Ammin Hillman's appearance
on Danny Jones, which maybe we'll watch

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at some point, but he I
did see it, but I'm just saying

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we will together. He questions and
challenges a few things, but I think

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his answers are more discrediting to him, and I don't think he even realizes

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it. It's a circular argument where
it's you can't he can't step out of

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the thing that was wrapped together and
called the Bible in order to verify it

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through historical accuracy. He just uses
the Bible to prove the Bible. Well,

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no, see, because it says
so. It's like, that's not,

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that's not that's not how you work
that. Like, hey, I

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have a book here. It's called
priest Craft Beyond Babylon. I reference things.

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Why because if I just told you
it is so because I said so,

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it wouldn't be a very good book. Right. I would love to

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have armies of people who you know, incult this thing and say no,

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you don't understand. It says so
right here, So it must have been

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happened. It must have happened.
It must have been true, it must

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have been real. Oh oh wait, there's references too, so apparently it

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did. Oh oh yeah, how
about that. Okay, so here we

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go. Let's let's get this thing
started so we can get going. Oh

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by the way, speak free radio. I love you guys, wants you

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to know, just want you to
know. And I hope you enjoyed the

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other couple of days when you've got
a twelve twelve twenty two doctor Brian artists

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talk that we did. There's a
blast from the past, but it helps

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to refresh the memory of the venoms, right because these are used in the

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Burning Purple as well. That they
talk about here in the Greek the Dionesian

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Bacan cults, saturnal what do you
call it, and potentially the the orphic

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theophytes, the sybiling oracles, and
also potentially in Christianity the venoms that are

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in the drug that they use and
then the antidotes to those venoms. Problem

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with that is used to destroy your
body. I don't know if they picked

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up on that back then, but
they wanted you to make the drug yourself

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through your body, so they would
slightly slowly poison you with venom with slits

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in your arms until you were producing
apparently the the antibodies or whatever they call

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that whatever. The real reality of
our medical crap is a tolerance, puilt

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up or whatever. But that doesn't
make for a healthy person, and as

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sure a sect doesn't make for a
natural person. If you're generating and producing

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something, right, it goes right
back to what we're looking every night with

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these shots and now they're killing people. So hopefully you got a chance to

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check out that doctor Brian artist that
I put up on I believe it was

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Wednesday, and you should check out
the Rumble channel when you have a chance,

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because I have Thursdays with doctor Peter
Glidden. That aren't on the radio

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show because it happened at eleven,
but you can go to Rumble and watch

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them. And last Thursday, yesterday, doctor Monso and doctor Peter Glittern were

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on together. It was good times. Okay, here we go. I'm

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gonna finish this up. I backed
it up like three minutes because it was

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kind of like in the middle of
the practice practice prixis story, and I

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wanted that to be a full thought
because it's kind of interesting and it deals

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with the Oh Jesus Christ, I
didn't do anybody wrong, but guess what

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you just did? You got yourself
kicked up. No, he was a

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douchebag. He was acting like a
douchebag. And you're a douchebag as well,

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So go fuck yourself, Scott,
Scott. Yeah. Later moderators moderate,

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all right, fucking little children,
I here go fuck yourselves. Yes.

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And the binding of Isaac indicates a
source derivative relationship. One A Thomas,

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king of Beotia, married Nephii,
a cloud goddess created in the image

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of hera by Zeus. Two A
Thomas and Nephili had twin children, a

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son, Phrixus and a daughter Helli. Three. Athamos afterwards rejected Nephili and

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married Eno. Four. Ino hated
her stepchildren Phrixus and Helli, so plotted

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to have them killed by their own
father. Number five. Eno bribed messagers

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who told King Athemis that the oracle
of Delphi, speaking for the god Apollo,

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required the sacrifice Phrixus on Mount Lafisian
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Biotia. Number six, just as
a Thamis was about to sacrifice his son

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Phrixus, Zeus or Nephili in other
versions sent a golden winged ram to rescue

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Phrixus and Helly by flying away with
them. Number seven. Helly fell off,

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hence the Hell's pont Helly's Sea.
Number eight. The ram brought Phrixus

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safely to Colchis, Georgia. Number
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that'n Phrixus sacrificed to Zeus the golden
ram that saved him and hung its golden

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fleece on an oak tree. Number
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quite inconsequential, probably the most important
ingredient of this myth is that it is

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the prologue of the epic of the
Argonauts, who will come to Kulchis years

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later to bring the famous Golden fleece
back to Greece. We can recognize the

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resemblance to the binding of Isaac in
Genesis twenty two. To test the faith

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of Abraham, God orders him to
sacrifice his only beloved son on Mount Moriah.

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Abraham submits to the command and binds
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God sends an angel and interrupts the
sacrifice. Abraham sees a ram stuck

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in a bush and sacrifices that ram
instead of his son. Yeah, there

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was going to be a kill in
there, no matter what right Abraham had

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to kill something. But note the
inversion of one small detail. In the

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Greek version, the ram is killed
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a tree, whereas in the Biblical
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bush and sacrificed afterwards. This inversion
of detail can lead us to wonder whether

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these stories could both derive from a
common source. And apparently that that kill

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zone where Abraham was murdering everything he
could, that's where they made the dome

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of the Rock, right, that's
over the top of apparently the big stone

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that he was doing all his killings
at. That's what everybody's talking about when

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they're talking about the temple, the
dome, right what they want to destroy

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and build a new temple on.
It's a sacrificial stone, according to them.

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One could derive from the other,
or that the resemblance is only due

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to coincidence. Therefore, we must
examine the place and roll of these stories

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in their own contexts, respectively,
the epic of the Argonauts and the Biblical

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narrative. See Godfrey's comparisons here.
One, you've got this divine command to

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sacrifice one's son. It's real in
the case of Isaac, lie in another,

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in the case of Phrixus, Phrixus's
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that God required the sacrifice. One
the father's pious, unquestioning submission to the

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command. Two the last minute deliverance
of the human victim by a divinely sent

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ram direct command to the father in
the case of Isaac, direct command to

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the sacrificial victim in the case of
Phrixus. Three the fastening of the ram

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in a tree or bush before the
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Isaac after the sacrifice of the Ram. In the case of Phrixus four,

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the sacrifice of the Ram as a
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What is significant is that these narrative
units in common to both stories exist

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at a level independent of the particular
the stories. And here's something Phrixis gets

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in a lot of friction from the
way he did. Imagine that. Imagine

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a deity sends you a flight out
of danger, and then as a thank

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you, you killed the pilot and
hang it in a tree. That's essentially

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what Phrixus did. That's not a
thank you. They can be inverted,

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reordered to create different stories. The
question to ask is are these units similar

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by coincidence or has one set been
borrowed from the other. That particular detail

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about the ram in the tree or
thicket is certainly distinctive enough to justify this

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question in relation to the whole set. To consider the Bible's quote unquote Old

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Testament books being written as late as
the Persian or even Hellenistic era, and

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given the proximity of Jewish and Greek
cultures, the possibility of direct borrowing cannot

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be rejected out of hand. Secondly, the chances of the Jewish story of

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the Binding of Isaac being influenced by
Greek myth is increased if both stories are

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located in a similar structural position within
parallel narratives. Both near human sacrifice narratives

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serve as the prologus to larger tells
of one divine promises of a land to

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be inherited by a hero's descendants,
two a special divinely chosen people. Three

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the chosen ones, Oh nice thing, pre arranged time schedule of four generations.

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I have a hard time looking at
these types of structures from above anymore

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and not seeing what Michael Tellinger was
showing. That these look like the plugins

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on a circuit board, and you
know that they were just using sonic technology

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back then, So the reverberation on
the on the pillars, it's just it's

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it's hard not to see that now. And when you see some of the

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other structures and what else was around
him in some of these sites, they

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look certainly like a over the head
circuit board. Very interesting since before the

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land would be inherited. Four deliverance
through a leader who initially protests because he

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stutters. Five. An additional delay
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is really interesting, like that is
a that is a very distinct commonality between

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the two holds fast to a divine
promise six A wandering through desert with a

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sacred vessel seven guiding divine revelations along
the way. Not only are both tells

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of escape from human sacrifice prologs to
these larger comparative narratives, but they also

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serve as a reference point in both. They hold the respective larger stories together

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by serving as the origin point of
the divine promises that guide the subsequent narratives

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of journeying to a promised land,
and that origin point is reference by way

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of reminder throughout the subsequent narratives.
The Biblical narrative is about much more than

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the way the children of Abraham inherited
the land of Canaan. The laws in

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the Pentateuch are often remarkably alike the
laws proposed by Plato. You've got laws

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that require a essential religious authority.
You have laws of a need for pure

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bloodlines, especially for priests, laws
that condemn homosexuality, witchcraft, magic laws.

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Unless you're nless, you're the inner
group who does that as a matter

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of habits of inheritance, boundary stones, laws of allowing slaves to be taken

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from foreign people's only, laws against
the need for a king, laws governing

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involuntary homicide, laws regarding rebellious children, laws against usury, against taking too

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much fruit from one's fields. But
here's the catch there, everybody, the

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laws against usury were only they only
applied to the group themselves. If you

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were an outsider, they could do
anything they wanted to you. And this

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is the part that I don't understand
how that doesn't translate over to why Christianity.

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Christians would think that this is their
God when they specifically say that any

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outsiders that aren't in the Judean center
group are fair game. The ten Commandments

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don't apply to you. They can
do whatever they'd like. You are fair

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game because you're not them. And
quite a few more, and often found

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listed in the same order between the
Greek and Hebrew texts. The ideal state,

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moreover, is divided into twelve lots
of land given to twelve tribes.

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The king, it is warned,
is subject to the vices of love,

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and this will lead to oppressive tyranny. One might think here of the Sins

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of David and Solomon. Wagenbaum applies
the structural analysis of myths as developed by

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Claude Levi Strauss the Bible, and
one can see his coverage is much more

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extensive than can be covered in a
few blog posts. Here is where Godfrey

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is focusing only on structural place of
the Phrixus Isaac sacrifices in their respective wider

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narratives. The Phrixus episode serves as
an introduction to the adventures of Jason and

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the Argonauts, and this set of
adventures functions as an explanation of the founding

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of the Greek colony of Syreni.
Later, after the descendants of the Argonauts

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had settled on Thera, a direct
descendant of Euphemus was commanded through the Delphic

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Oracle to lead his people to settle
and establish Syrene in fulfillment of the promise

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made at the time of the Argonauts
were retrieving the fleece of the ram that

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had saved Phrixus. This descendant was
known as Battus, a name that means

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stutterer. He argued against the divine
command on the ground, and Moses had

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erin with him because he was a
stutterer. Round that he was not a

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great warrior and that he had a
speech impediment, but the Delphic oracle refused

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to listen to reason and made him
do as he was told. Anyway,

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This sounds like Moses. Herodotus tells
us that Battus ruled Sirreene for the familiar

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forty years. Hmm, that doesn't
sound familiar. We are reminded of the

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promise to Abraham that his descendants would
settle in Canaan after four hundred years of

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slavery in Egypt. Egypt serves as
a delaying detour on their way to their

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destiny, as thea was in the
Greek myth. God commands Moses to lead

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his people to Canaan by invoking his
promise to give it to the fathers Abraham,

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Isaac, and Jacob. Moses at
first refuses by pleading that he stutters.

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If Baptist ruled the Argonauts for forty
years, Moses, also once called

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a king and known as a king
in Philo, led his people for forty

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years. Also, this narrative structure
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promise made to Euphemus and its fulfillment
descendant Battus. Both Moses and Battis invoked

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their troubles speaking in order to avoid
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their people during forty years. Therefore, the similarities between the interrupted sacrifice of

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Isaac and that of Phrixus appear as
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seems as though Abraham plays two different
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who almost sacrificed his son Phrixus an
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and the Argonaut Euphemus, who received
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episode from the ending of the epic. The order of the episodes has been

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reversed in the same way the detail
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the sacrifice in the Greek version appears
inverted to the account of the ram stuck

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in the books before the sacrifice in
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is not sufficient by itself to speculate
about any possible borrowing, but when placed

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in the wider framework of the epic
of the Argonauts and the foundation of the

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colony of Syrene, it allows us
to question a likely influence of the Greek

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mythical tradition on the writings of the
Old Testament, Herodotus's histories as the blueprint

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for the first books of the Bible, that the narratives and Herodotus have influenced

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the Biblical narrative. But there is
one significant clue thus far missing. Wagenbaum's

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remarks, what might the founding of
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do with the settlement and kingdom established
in Canaan by Israel? Wagenbomb points to

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an answer. We must investigate the
writings of another famous Greek writer to find

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the description of a state meant to
be a colony, a state that would

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be divided into twelve tribes and ruled
by perfect God given laws, the ideal

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state imagined by Plato in his Laws. How late was the Bible and who

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really wrote it? Neil Godfrey again
comes through, as has Russell Gamirkin and

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several of the scholars we've brought up
so far. But I'm impressed with what

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Neil puts here. Here's what he
has to say. It has become a

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truism that the Bible, or let's
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The Old Testament or Jewish Hebrew Bible
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multiple authors over many years. All
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testified to the one and only true
God of the Jewish people. The mere

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fact that multiple authors, spanning generations
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reality of this God working in human
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with a cultural and religious heritage,
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Over time, a few scholars have
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recently published of these is Philip Wagenbaum. He writes to have a single writer

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for Genesis through Kings and possibly for
other Biblical books contradicts the idea of the

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transmission of the divine Word and of
a tradition proper to a people. The

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idea of a single author does not
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the Bible were drawn from archives of
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mesopotam and Canaanite and other sources.
Watchinbaum claims that the traditional scholarly hypotheses of

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authorship and origins of the Bible are
in fact secular rationalizations of cultural myths about

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the Bible. Let us imagine that
Judea has now been conquered for a century,

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and its sacradotal class is now fully
hellenized. That dude looks like he's

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listening to Metallica. A man educated
in the Greek fashion, perhaps in Alexandria,

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has grown up learning all the Greek
classics Homer, Hesiod, Herodotus,

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the great tragic playwrights, Plato,
and that which he may have read in

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the Alexandrian canon established by Aristophanes of
Byzantium and Aristocus of Samothraci. He wants

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to create a literary work that can
compete with those he has read, one

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that will give birth to his political
and religious utopia Israel. On the one

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hand, theories about the origins of
the Bible tend to admit that the same

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writer wrote some books. On the
other hand, several books and articles compare

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Greek myths with the Bible. It
is the absence of a synthesis of all

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these data that is questioned here.
Could it be the other way around?

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Philip Wagenbaum rejects the alternative suggestion that
it may have been the Greeks who were

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influenced by the Bible or related stories
from cultures neighboring the Jews. Essentially,

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the reasons for resisting this idea are
One, Greek authors were generally identifiable personally,

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and they quite openly refer to their
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And yeah, they didn't hide their
sources, and they didn't hide who they

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were imitated. They had no need
to copy the Bible and leave no evidence

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that they had any awareness of it. Two, the Greeks portrayed their myths

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through painting and sculpture, and here
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The only contemporary images from Palestine are
Canaanite relics. Three. Wagenbaum argues

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that almost every chapter of the Bible
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opposite is not true. Four Greek
myths are linked together in a logical narrative

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progression, from the birth of the
gods themselves down to the Trojan War and

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the beginnings of the historical era.
This rich and complex intertextuality has allowed the

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Biblical writer to create an original epic
on a fantastic level of sophistication. We

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will see how the Greek mythical genealogies
have been dismantled and reconstructed through a specific

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filter. I hope that everybody watching
this goes and subscribes to Nil Godfree's blog.

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He is doing fantastic work mining scholars
that are not well known, and

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we're highlighting them today. Please show
him your appreciation. Show Russell Gamerkin.

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Much of his work was shown in
this documentary, and I want more people

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to show support to the good scholars
we bring forward here on myth vision to

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be continued. As we unravel the
intricate narratives of the Bible, it becomes

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increasingly evident that understanding Abraham's tell require
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This synthesis of Greco Biblical traditions isn't
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but a pivotal key to truly grasping
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If today's exploration has peaud your interest, I urge you to like this video,

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subscribe to our channel, and join
the conversation in the comments below.

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I hope you tell us what your
favorite part of this video was we're just

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scratching the surface, all right,
so you get it. That is mythvision

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on YouTube. Again, if you
listen to Derek too long, he might

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be discussed by him. But the
information is good sometimes until they get into

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political crap then they look at it. So anyway, anyway, so that's

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that part. Now, there's a
lot more to that video. Even so

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it seems like he was stopping there. I think there was actually a lot

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more, but I just had to
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And now we're going to start off
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do it this way because you'll see, well some of you will see because

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you'll be watching it. Other just
I'll have to explain it to you why

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this is so uh, this fits
too well not to not to do done.

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First, you guys didn't think we're
gonna have a song today. We

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have a song. Oh we've got
a song. Yeah, you ready for

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it? Well, let's put this
on full screen. I just lack the

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burricane duct birds carel play. It's
up, Duckler. That's all a mystery

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for rereck history or rewrite history.
The tails every day that tails of gabbing

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too bad and be behind you to
find you just to every tails of gabbing

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too bad and tails tails. All
right, So we have Scrooge McDuck who

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may resemble some of the banking elites
there, and we have it on it.

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It's Disney cartoon right now. Let's
go take a look at her our

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min attraction here today. Then you'll
see exactly why I did that. For

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some of you out there, we'll
see it. So this one is titled

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look at his shirt, says ducktails. It's a green ducktail shirt. He's

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wearing a Disney shirt. And we
know all about Disney and their psychological operations.

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So straight up in your face,
there's some ducktails for you. This

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says. Biblical scholar response to Emmin
Hillman, was Jesus Christ a trafficker?

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Dan McClellan Dan McKellen is a biblical
scholar and an active member of the Church

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of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. He's a Mormon. McLellan was a

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winner of the Society of Biblical Literatures
twenty twenty three Richard's Award for Public Scholarship.

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Just a bunch of people massaging each
other's egos and giving each other awards

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for agreeing with each other. So
there's lots of chapters here, all right,

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So we're probably gonna jump around a
little bit. So we're gonna list

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in a Dan's academic background. We're
gonna waste a little time with that.

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And then the Sep. Two age. It predates the Tora question mark fake

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dead seas when they don't like something, they just say it's not real.

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Oh, that doesn't fit our narrative. Therefore it's something else. In accuracies

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within translations Biblical scholar paradox Dan's personal
bias, which isn't really all that important.

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He just admits that he has one, which is, you know,

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admirable, I guess, and Moses
never existed? Was Jesus Christ a drug?

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That's taking it a little too out
there, but the response is interesting,

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did the Bible misrepresent oh sorry,
misinterpret words? And then Jesus in

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the public park this is where he
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of starts going into it. And
so this is two hours long, so

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we're not gonna be able to watch
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us started and then maybe we'll do
a little bit more tomorrow. So we're

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gonna we're gonna get let Dan talk. We're gonna let him say his thing.

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Let's just try to do the right
about twelve seconds in, No,

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not that far. So doesn't always
like pair up to what you're doing here.

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Come on, bro, don't screw
up on me now with your little

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spinning button dial thing here whatever,
let's just start here. A great and

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Jewish studies, and I wrote my
masters thesis there on textual criticism of the

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Septuagint. Then I went to another
master's degree at a university up in Canada

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called Trinity Western University that was in
Biblical studies, where I started working on

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cognitive linguistics and wrote my thesis there
on the concern So the two things I

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look at real quick and so those
are the yuse out there and speak free

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radio Land are not gonna be able
to see this. He's wearing the green

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ducktail shirt. That's a Disney thing. That's one right number two. Look

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at his whatever it is. It's
either a wristband or to watch now.

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I don't know if it's because it's
June and he's showing his support for wokeness

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but it's a rainbow wristband or watch
band, and it's waved around an awful

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lot because he uses his hands of
talc like and Italian does. So I

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get it, but it's just a
It makes you wonder is he a Mormon

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with a with a tendency for bums, you know, as in butts,

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or is he just wearing it because
that's the hip thing to do when you're

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a scholar and you're in academia.
I don't know sextualization of deity in the

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Hebrew Bible, So when they talked
and thought about God's anciently, what exactly

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what are they thinking about? And
then I did my doctoral dissertation under the

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watchful eye of Professor francesca's Areca Pula
at the University of Exeter, and that

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deaf Francesca Sabraca Pulo that is someone
who is referenced in highly regarded by myth

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Vision podcast Derek, which is interesting
because she challenges some of the stuff that

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the Bible states. So I found
that interesting that he worked under her yet

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doesn't seem to have the same views
on stuff was on concepts of deity and

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divine agency. So now I'm looking
at what is a god, but also

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what is a divine image? And
how does like an idol? How does

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that work? What was the logic
they were using for how? And we

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were told that the Midaia's media right, the mother, the one who was

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mixing up the potions. The image
was what you focused on when you're going

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through the right of This could be
both the deity and not the deity.

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And then I looked at how we
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related to divine presence associated with that. And during the the COVID lockdowns,

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I was at home with not a
ton to do, and I started seeing

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people post in TikTok videos on Facebook
and Instagram and elsewhere where. People were

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talking about religion in the Bible,
and I kind of was wondering, who's

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in charge over there? So got
an account and went and checked out TikTok

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and saw that there wasn't really who's
in charge over on YouTube in TikTok,

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so there wasn't enough censorship for him. Wow, that's quite the statement.

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There were not a lot of credentialed
experts who were commenting, but there was

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a lot of discussion going on about
religion and the Bible and stuff. So

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I thought I might as well just
kind of position myself as a bit of

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an umpire calling balls and strikes out
there. So my channel is all about

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tru self appointed expert too. My
motto is data over dogma, the idea

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of being that I'm going to try
to Yeah, he says that, but

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he rejects or ignores data when it
doesn't support his situation or his position.

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Center the data what we can say
about the Bible and religion based on actual

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research, and try to prioritize that
over and against the dogmas, whatever they

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may be from whichever side they come, whether they're related to identity politics,

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or they're related to one's own personal
interests or things like that. And I

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was kind of expecting to not find
a big audience for someone who kind of

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stands in the middle and tries not
to play for either team, But to

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my surprise, there are a lot
of folks who are interested in that.

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So it's been it's been a fun
ride. But sometimes I also run into

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people who push back an awful lot, and so I've made a lot of

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wonderful friends getting into this field.
I'm kind of learning well the academic world

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of the study of the Bible and
religion, I knew a little better,

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but getting into the social media world
or the Bible in religion, I had

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to go through my own course.
Yeah, you seem like you're you're the

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guy that calls out the bullshit when
it comes to religion. I try to.

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Yeah, and you said you also
had what was your degree in classics?

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And let me just say, Dan
seems like a humble, nice guy.

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I'm going to be critical here because
of what's that what's at stake?

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Okay, but don't think that I
am not accepted, you know, appreciative

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of what he seems like a good
individual. I just think he has very

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strong, maybe you know, highly
conditioned views on things. So I did

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a minor in classical Greek. A
minor in classical Greek. Okay, so

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that's interesting. So the minor in
classical Greek versus the thirty five years of

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study of texts that nobody else translates
that Amin has. So there's going to

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be a difference here in what is
perceived, and that's that should that should

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not go with you know that that's
probably should go without saying, because that

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would be a whole lot more experience
and exposure to the material that Amine has.

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And I'm not saying that Amine isn't
biased. I'm just saying that if

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he's talking about a word, he's
probably he probably knows the definition and how

403
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it's used. So you do,
so you do have some knowledge of classics,

404
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and you did study classics a bit
little bit. Yeah, although I

405
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transitioned into septuagen Greek New Testament Greek, and that's kind of where I've spent

406
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most of my time. Okay,
what is the difference between a classical scholar

407
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and a Biblical scholar? So a
person who studies classics is primarily engaging in

408
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the Greek and the Latin literature from
the middle of the first millennium BCE down

409
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into the first few centuries CE,
and I use BCE and CE where people

410
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use BC, N A, D
and so classics doesn't really have a ton

411
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of overlap with the Bible. But
the people who wrote and transmitted and consumed

412
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.840
the New Estimate and as well as
the Septuagint, we're also people who engaged

413
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with classical literature. And there's a
lot of influence from classics on the Bible,

414
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but a lot of people who study
the Bible will also study what's going

415
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on in the classical world because really
of the influence. Yeah, it's you.

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You frequently see a lot of overlap
classicists going into biblical studies, Biblical

417
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:25.960
studies sometimes going into classics. So
there are folks who try to straddle both

418
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of those fields. But that's a
very difficult thing to do. Okay.

419
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So classics do entertain the Bible.
Oh yeah, not all of them,

420
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:39.360
but but there are plenty who will
work with early Christianity just because early Christianity

421
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was engaging with with Greco Roman intelligentsia, So there's relevance to what's going on

422
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:52.480
there. Okay. So I discovered
you obviously after you made those two videos

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from the response videos from Amen.
So I'm looking at Danny Danny Jones this

424
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shirt and that looks like butt heads
mouth, like his teeth on his shirt.

425
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:05.159
I wonder if that's a Beavis and
Bud shirt. It's podcast. He

426
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:09.440
said two things that you responded to. The first one was about the word

427
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trio. Trio is a a Greek
root word that he claimed was the meaning

428
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:22.280
to apply a drug to the skin
yea, and he also mentioned that it

429
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.480
was to be stung by the godfly. I think that was those are two

430
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.920
separate meanings for rio and then the
other. The other point was the he

431
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:37.960
believes that the Septuagint came before the
Torah, and he thinks that the the

432
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:45.480
the Greek was translated into Hebrew.
So which one of those you want to

433
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start on? Which would we talk
about first? Whichever we can? Uh?

434
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.679
Probably, let's why don't we start
with the septuigin. Okink, that's

435
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.320
a little a little easier. Okay, there's there are no specialists in the

436
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.599
study of the septuagent who would do
anything other than laugh at that, can

437
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:07.360
you so? Because they control the
information, they're going to laugh it off

438
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:12.280
if it's challenged. That doesn't really
stay much. Just to give people who

439
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.280
might not be familiar with what we're
talking about, can you give sort of

440
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:20.320
a basis of the period of time
we're talking about in history and give me

441
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:23.519
an idea, like just lay out
the argument. Yeah. So the development

442
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.840
of the Hebrew Bible is pretty complex, but in short, there were a

443
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:30.320
lot of traditions, a lot of
poetry, some legal texts that began to

444
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be written down between around eight hundred
BCE. And down to around four three

445
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:42.119
hundred BCE. And as they're being
written, they're being collected, they're being

446
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:49.119
redacted and edited, and they're coming
together into this corpus of texts. Now,

447
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most most scholars these days would probably
say that it's not until around the

448
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:58.280
middle of the second century BCE,
around the rise of the HASMANI in Kingdom.

449
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.280
So this is a this is the
Maccabees. This is the story of

450
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:08.079
the redidication of the temple that Hanukkah
is based on. But before that time,

451
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:14.039
there were a lot of Jewish folks
who weren't speaking Hebrew anymore. They

452
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:20.000
were speaking Greek because may anymore or
ever where, they just taught Greek for

453
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.599
the first you know, that was
early in language, potentially at least the

454
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ones that were living there for the
last hundred years. In the after Alexander

455
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:35.079
in three point thirty three, I
believe it was conquered the area. Mainly

456
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.519
they were the ones who were living
in Alexandria in Egypt. In the late

457
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fourth century BCE, Alexander the Great
sweeps through all this area, takes it

458
00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.719
over, and then as his successors
are fighting for control of these regions,

459
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tell me the land is hellenized,
meaning that Greek becomes kind of the lingua

460
00:43:54.239 --> 00:44:00.280
franca. This is what if you
want to engage in international business and sometimes

461
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:04.599
even business between one city and another. Usually a type of Greek is going

462
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.199
to be the language of wider communication. And so a lot of Jewish folks

463
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:13.639
are living in Egypt and Alexandria,
They're living elsewhere where people are being raised

464
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:17.039
speaking Greek is their native language,
not Hebrew. Now Hebrew is still being

465
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:22.480
spoken. So it wasn't a dead
language. It wasn't dead language that I

466
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.320
don't know where on earth that idea
comes from, because we we'll talk about

467
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.440
that later. We'll let Diamin explain
that it was a dead language. And

468
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:38.239
also that you can't take a seven
thousand or eight thousand word language and upscale

469
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:45.599
it to so you can going from
a greater to a lesser rather than a

470
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.800
lesser to a greater. You're not
going to be able to identify all the

471
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:54.719
words in a bigger lexicon with a
limited one of your own, so it's

472
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:59.639
nearly impossible to go to the other
direction with it. We have letters and

473
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.760
scriptions and things in Hebrew all the
way down past the life of christy what

474
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:07.639
does that even mean? A dead
language? How can a language be dead?

475
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:13.719
What does that mean? So if
people are growing up learning a language

476
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.280
as their first language and then they're
out there using it in public discourse,

477
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:22.239
the language evolves. So you get
new words are brought in, old words

478
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:27.000
change their meaning, you get romantic
drift. Right, that's one of the

479
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.280
things that can happen. There's a
lot of stuff that can happen. But

480
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.800
once a language is no longer being
learned as a first language, and it's

481
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:39.320
not being used in public discourse,
when it's limited only to texts or rituals

482
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.920
or things like that, then you
don't have that continued change and of evolution.

483
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.320
And at that point they tend to
refer to So what you're seeing here,

484
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isn't it an explanation as to why
the Hebrew is not being used very

485
00:45:52.719 --> 00:46:00.320
much? And what Hammond says is
that the Hebrew version of the Bible didn't

486
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:06.360
come around until much, much,
much later than the Hellenistic period, and

487
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:08.599
that the Old Testament, for those
of you out there who didn't know that

488
00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:15.280
this is the argument here, wasn't
written or an archive of something that happened

489
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:21.079
as far back as when they claim
Moses was around, but rather or Abraham

490
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:29.599
even but rather that it was constructed
during the Hellenistic period and it was heavily

491
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:37.119
influenced and used, you know,
it was it was utilizing the Greek mythos

492
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:43.000
that was popular during that time.
Or to a language that doesn't it's frozen,

493
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:45.360
it's not changing at all. They
will usually refer that as a dead

494
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:51.400
language. So like Latin, for
instance, nobody learns Latin as their first

495
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:55.079
language. There are people who can
speak it fairly fluently, but it's limited

496
00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:01.880
to usually liturgical things and rituals and
things like that. So we're not building

497
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:07.519
the Latin vocabulary. The syntax is
not changing. You don't have old guys

498
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:08.960
going in my day we use that
Latin word to mean this, and the

499
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:13.159
kids these days, you know,
they'red You don't have that kind of thing.

500
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So they used to think that Hebrew
was more or less a dead language

501
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:23.000
by the time of Jesus, and
that most everybody spoke Aramaic. But there's

502
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:28.639
a growing contingent. I would say
it's probably, if not about fifty percent,

503
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:32.519
someonodog or the el spoke Greek scholars
probably even more than that think that

504
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.039
Hebrew was still quite active. Yeah. Now, now most people think Jesus

505
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:42.920
probably spoke some degree of Greek.
I think it was probably some marketplace Greek.

506
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.000
You know, like the way that
I can speak modern Greek. I

507
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.360
can't hold a conversation, I can't
argue with somebody in Greek, but I

508
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.559
can find my way to the restaurant, or you know, I can buy

509
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.440
or sell what I need. So
that was and you know, Cephriis was

510
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:01.639
right over the hill from from Nazareth. So if he was doing any work

511
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:07.159
for people who are living in Cephrus
or something like that, growing up as

512
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:08.960
a mason or whatever he was,
then he probably would have picked up some

513
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:20.000
Greek. But there's a mason or
a cult leader utilizing burning purple whatever he

514
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:24.719
was doing there. There's debate about
the degree to which Hebrew was a living

515
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.159
language around the time of Jesus,
but I think most scholars would say it

516
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.960
was probably still a living language,
although Aramaic and Greek were the more common

517
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.559
languages of wider communication. Now when
the septuagen was translated, Hebrew was very

518
00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:44.400
much still a living language. That's
probably around two hundred and fifty to one

519
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:49.559
hundred BCE. You have the process
of translating the subtuigen. There's an old

520
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:57.480
tradition from a text that scholars usually
call pseudo Aristaus, about the king in

521
00:48:57.719 --> 00:49:01.400
Egypt winning translations of all the laws
of the world, and so he calls

522
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.599
sends some people to Jerusalem, and
they bring back seventy two elders, six

523
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.880
from all the twelve tribes of Israel, and they are locked up in towers,

524
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:15.760
and they each translate the entire Torah
into Greek, and they all come

525
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:20.679
together at the end and miraculously,
all seventy two translations match word for word.

526
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And so that's the legend about the
translation of the septuag And the reality

527
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:30.039
is that the books were translated by
different people over the course of a few

528
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.480
centuries, and there were some versions
that were probably more popular than others,

529
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.920
and by around the turn of the
era, so the end of the first

530
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.719
century BCE, beginning of the first
entry CEE, around the birth of Jesus,

531
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there was probably a set of kind
of more or less standard translations of

532
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.159
the Hebrew Bible into Greek. And
one of the reasons that we know that

533
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.199
this is a translation is because,
for instance, the Torah, the Pentituke,

534
00:49:55.239 --> 00:50:00.559
the first five books of Moses.
Each of the books as a different

535
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.960
translation profile, like some of the
books are more literal, some of the

536
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:07.599
books are less literal. Some have
certain habits that they do in translating certain

537
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:12.840
Hebrew things, others have other habits. And so when you look at all

538
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.360
five of them together, there's no
way this is an original composition. It

539
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:22.639
has to be a translation. And
my jograph I don't see that that as

540
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:28.360
being an argument, really, but
a little bit continue the subtuagent septuagen the

541
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:32.119
ancient Greek translation, when he keeps
calling it a translation rather than the original.

542
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:38.639
We look at the Hebrew there is
some there is some distinctiveness from book

543
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:44.320
to book. But as we kind
of drill down to the foundation of this

544
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:50.480
distinctiveness, what we get is the
different source texts, the different sources for

545
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:55.960
these traditions. So Genesis were probably
composed separately from Exodus. Deuteronomy was composed

546
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.920
separately. We have what's called the
Priestly Source, which is adding layers to

547
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:05.760
several of the books of the Pentateuch. The Holiness Code is an even later

548
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:12.480
portion of the priestly Source that is
responsible for things in Leviticus and things like

549
00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:17.519
that. So but there's a there's
a consistency that is related to the type

550
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:21.599
of Hebrew that we see being used
outside of the Bible. So in the

551
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:25.440
inscriptions in the letters the Dead Sea
Scrolls, there were a lot of Biblical

552
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.000
texts, but there were a lot
of other texts that were discovered there as

553
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:34.480
well that aren't part of the Bible, part of other apocryphal, pseudopographical books,

554
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:39.239
but other things that were unique to
that community that was living in Kumran,

555
00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:45.320
and there's there's nothing in there.
Well, So we have Hebrew,

556
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.760
some Aramaic, and some Greek texts
that were discovered among the Dead Sea scrolls,

557
00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:54.639
and there's nothing in the Hebrew of
the Dead Sea Scrolls that indicates it's

558
00:51:54.679 --> 00:52:00.360
being translated from Greek. All of
the data point in the other direction,

559
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.440
that is going from Hebrew to Greek. And in one of the videos,

560
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.840
I pointed out that, for instance, they need this for their identity.

561
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:15.119
So there's a very big push for
this to be accepted as true because otherwise

562
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:22.880
the whole entire house of cards for
the Old tests a bit falls. You

563
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:27.599
have these idioms that exist in Hebrew
that don't exist in Greek. Not classical

564
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.960
Greek, not the coin you explain
what an idiom is. An idiom is

565
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:37.920
something where like a colloquial metaphor,
it doesn't the semantic content of a given

566
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:44.960
set of words. Isn't the sum
of the whole like a butterfly. Well

567
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:50.000
that's a single word. But a
common one you hear these days is you

568
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.880
know, in a thousand years,
they won't know the difference between a butt

569
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:58.039
dial and a booty call, because
butt and booty are synonyms, dial call

570
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:02.519
are kind of synonyms. Doesn't exactly
work, but those are those are things

571
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:08.039
where you combine words in a way
that has a specific kind of semantic impact

572
00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:13.119
that you might not be able to
decipher just from looking at the words themselves.

573
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.360
And so in the thesis I wrote
at Oxford, I was looking at

574
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.480
Exodus twenty four to ten, and
this is the story of Moses goes up

575
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:27.119
Sinai with all of the elders,
and it says by yehu et alo jes

576
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:30.920
kayel, and they saw the God
of Israel. And there was the text,

577
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:36.159
go who would be Yahweh or as
the Egyptians viewed him as Set,

578
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:38.400
And Set wasn't a good dude at
all. It was honest say there was

579
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:43.800
like a sapphire paving under his feet, and they and they sat down and

580
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:46.559
they ate there. In the Greek
it doesn't say that, says they saw

581
00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:52.760
the place where the God of Israel
stood. But it's so you're saying there's

582
00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:55.719
way more detail in the Hebrew.
Well, no, The point here is

583
00:53:55.760 --> 00:54:00.320
that there's a difference between what the
Hebrews say and what the Greeks saying.

584
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.559
But the Greek is not phrased how
you would normally phrase that in Greek.

585
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:07.559
Well, here's the thing, though, when you have less words to use,

586
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:13.000
you're gonna lose detail. So that's
gonna there's gonna be a difference when

587
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:19.719
you're trying to cram it into Hebrew. So it actually says they saw they

588
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:25.400
saw the place which God stood there, and so the witch and the there

589
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:31.760
are an odd way that that's not
natural Greek. But it exactly matches something

590
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:37.639
called the resumptive pronoun that is used
in Hebrew, where you would say stood

591
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:43.800
a share for which a mod he
stood sham there. And so what it's

592
00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:50.440
what it shows is that the Greek
translator is translating very literally, so much

593
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.840
so that it doesn't make a ton
of sense in Greek, but if you

594
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.719
know Hebrew, you could be like, oh I see that's it's doing this

595
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:05.440
Hebrew thing. And so there's I'm
trying to think of of some English examples

596
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.559
of like translation ease or something's well, I guess just saying they saw the

597
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:15.000
place which he stood there that that
doesn't make a lot of sense in English,

598
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.559
but a Hebrew speaker would be able
to see, oh, I see

599
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:22.159
what you're doing. That's something that
we do in Hebrew with this resumptive pronoun

600
00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:27.119
and adverb. Yeah. One of
the interesting things that Ahmann pointed out to

601
00:55:27.199 --> 00:55:30.840
me when he was trying to make
a case for the Greek being original was,

602
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:35.199
Dude, his mic sounds phenomenal.
I love that mic. It's kind

603
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.760
of like mine, except it's the
one step up from that. This episode

604
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:43.360
of the podcast is brought to you
by Man. He was showing us the

605
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:49.960
differences, and there was like,
for one word in Greek when you translated

606
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:53.719
to Hebrew, there's like three or
four words just to equal that one word

607
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:59.599
in Greek. So there's so a
couple of things there are. One there's

608
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:05.159
like with logos, you have to
basically spell out a whole entire paragraph in

609
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:09.039
order to get to somewhat the idea
and concept of what logos is. And

610
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:15.280
it's not word. That's not what
that means. Nowhere near that many Greek

611
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.719
words there are ancient Greek. You've
got I think two hundred and seventy five

612
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.360
thousand is an estimate more or less
of how many ancient Greek that words there

613
00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:27.039
are. If you look at all
Greek ancient, medieval, and modern,

614
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.199
you've got four to five hundred thousand. Okay, so he's wrong about that,

615
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.320
but they're going to show that in
a second on the screen. But

616
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.480
let me go ahead and read to
you from my book, the book called

617
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:42.639
Logos, a mock epic that I
wrote two thousand and two, and it

618
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:49.400
says logos, a complex Greek word
associated with the philosopher Heraclitis. Heracletian logos

619
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.280
is both an account of reality and
that which is revealed by the account.

620
00:56:54.039 --> 00:57:00.559
The logos is the fundamental reason for
things being as they are. It is

621
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:07.239
the fundamental principle of the world.
And that's Douglas j. Socio quote and

622
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.440
the what's that lexicon website where we
can actually look it up. So Fisaurus,

623
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.920
lingue, greika, yeah, okay, TLG. Can you find the

624
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:17.280
TLG? And and is there a
way you can just search for unique words

625
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.280
in a certain language and it'll tell
you, Uh, you have to have

626
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:23.119
an account, I think, to
do the most robust kind of search with

627
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:27.840
that. Oh, so for those
of you just want to get to the

628
00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:35.519
answer definitions two hundred and seventy five
thousand in the Ancient Greek unique words one

629
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:38.840
million, seven hundred and fifty thousand, give or take in the ancient Hebrew.

630
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:44.760
I think it's similar, like eighty
four hundred or something. They showed

631
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:47.320
that part on the screen though at
some point do you but I think you

632
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:51.199
should be able to do some pretty
basic stuff. Okay, see what you

633
00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.199
can find, Stephen, Okay,
and then keep going. And then there

634
00:57:54.280 --> 00:58:00.119
are there are seventy nine nine hundred, like forty five words in Hebrew.

635
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:07.320
And he was only off by about
seventy thousand Hebrew Bible alone, So seventy

636
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:09.639
nine seventy nine thousand. Yeah,
so I think he may have heard it.

637
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:15.079
So when you hear that, it
should automatically tell you that they're using

638
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:21.440
a more modern Hebrew, not the
ancient Hebrew, which would date the Bible

639
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:29.119
well ahead of where it's supposedly have
been written, and only points more to

640
00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.800
the fact that if what he says
is true about the seventy nine thousand words,

641
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.840
then it was an ancient Hebrew that
was being used, so it was

642
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:43.199
a translation of the Greek. It
kind of just flat out says it came

643
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.480
out kind of right there, eighty
thousand somewhere he said eight. Yeah,

644
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:51.960
I think he may have mistook eighty
four eight because there knew he did not

645
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.519
or the Hebrew Bible itself, which
is not all of ancient Hebrew, Like

646
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.119
there's there was a lot of Hebrew
writing. Here we go. So it

647
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:05.280
says number of distinct words in the
Hebrew Bible is eight thousand, six hundred

648
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:09.280
and seventy nine, of which one
thousand, four hundred and eighty are hapax

649
00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:16.840
legomena words or expressions that occur only
once writing and speaking outside the Hebrew Bible.

650
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:21.880
But the Hebrew Bible itself has eighty
thousand different words in it. Yeah,

651
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:28.519
you're only off of by about well
seventy thousand, so but when it

652
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.320
comes to translation, they're a lot. And this is a biblical scholar who

653
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:35.400
should know this. A lot of
different ways that between one language and another

654
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:38.280
one word may need a whole phrase
in another language. Yes, but at

655
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:42.840
the same time, in that language, there may be another word that needs

656
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.079
two or three words in the other
language. It's just fact, it's just

657
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:50.760
wild, Like it's bizarre that even
let's even just let's just say what you're

658
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.119
saying is true, and it's it's
eighty thousand in Hebrew and it's only two

659
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:59.880
hundred fifty thousand in Greek. The
fact that you need for like multiple Hebrew

660
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:06.440
words to match one Greek word is
like pretty wild. I think more frequently

661
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:12.519
you need more Greek words Greeks use. Really, that's not at all true.

662
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.519
This is Greek uses articles a lot
more frequently, Like don't you don't

663
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.360
just say Jesus and Greek you say
the Jesus. Yeah, but the whole

664
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:27.840
concept thing, right, one word
would define an entire concept that requires a

665
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:32.199
whole explanation. If you're not thinking
in Greek terms, if if Greek isn't

666
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:37.880
your first language, which it was
their first language, these concepts wouldn't make

667
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:45.280
sense to people because you would need
those extra words to even conceptualize what is

668
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.519
being said. You would need the
Greek, you would need the understanding of

669
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.440
Greek, and it would most likely
need to be your first language in order

670
01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:58.079
to really fully grasp the concepts.
So if you were just speaking in Hebrew

671
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:00.000
Aramaic, you would just say yeah, shil or something like that, and

672
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:06.639
you wouldn't have to use the article
you have. And Greek is a much

673
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.320
more systematic language than Hebrew. Hebrew
is a lot more vibes going on in

674
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:15.280
Hebrew. You kind of have to
just get a sense for how things are

675
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.199
being used. But also in Hebrew, things get packed together into individual words.

676
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:23.480
So you can have your direct objects
tacked onto the word, you can

677
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:29.119
have the definite article tacked onto the
word. And so if you're looking at

678
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:31.400
a text, you may only be
looking at one word, but it could

679
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:37.440
be he did the thing. It
could be three different words in English.

680
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:43.039
So I actually tried to figure out
what he was talking about with this going

681
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:45.880
from more complex to less complex.
I honestly don't. Yeah, he did

682
01:01:45.920 --> 01:01:50.440
a debate with a guy named Kip
Kip Davis. Kip Davis, Yeah,

683
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:52.960
he did a debate with him.
I think it was on Neil's podcast where

684
01:01:53.000 --> 01:02:00.400
they were debating with what came first, the Greek or the Hebrew and this

685
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:05.400
is the example I was talking about. Okay, I forget what the exact

686
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:08.320
word was, Stephen, maybe you
can find it on Neil's channel, his

687
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:14.840
kip. He is like, he's
a scholar of scrolls. Okay, he's

688
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:19.599
In fact, he was on a
team that helped demonstrate that a bunch of

689
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.119
the Dead Sea scrolls fragments that have
been discovered and purchased in the last twenty

690
01:02:23.239 --> 01:02:30.719
years or all forgeries. So he's
he's a really good forgeries. So there

691
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.400
were there were a bunch that were
discovered with the initial excavations that went on

692
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:40.159
in all the caves down and Kumran
and elsewhere. Right, So since then,

693
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.960
every now and then, a little
piece of it, of of something

694
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:49.559
that somebody calls a Dead Sea scroll
will pop up somewhere on the antiquities market

695
01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:52.840
or a school. We'll say,
oh, we we just purchased this.

696
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:55.760
Uh, this was just discovered.
And in fact, there were just some

697
01:02:57.760 --> 01:03:00.719
some texts that were discovered just a
few months ago in a cave that was

698
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:07.039
adjacent to some of these others.
But there were about eighty of these fragments

699
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.480
that have been purchased since two thousand
and two by different institutions. I think

700
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:17.480
the Museum of the Bible purchased a
bunch a ZUSA Pacific University, a handful

701
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:23.880
of faith institutions purchased them. And
one of them that I really thought was

702
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:31.559
fascinating was a fragment of Deuteronomy twenty
seven, which there's a variant reading where

703
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:36.840
it says that they're supposed to be
on Mount Garrazine. And this is what

704
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:42.440
the Samaritans have always said should be
the reading over against the traditional Jewish reading.

705
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.880
And so this shocked a lot of
people. It's like, this is

706
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:51.880
very, very early evidence for the
Samaritan reading. And they were given access

707
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:57.559
to a number of these fragments to
do analysis, and they did a bunch

708
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.800
of different types of analysis and came
back and said, forgive me, but

709
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:06.920
I'm gonna I'm gonna skip ahead of
this too. Let's see right here,

710
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:14.599
right there, let's watch. They're
gonna watch too. Translating into a dead

711
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:20.000
and liturgical language when you go to
the synagogue, into translating into a dead

712
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:25.440
and liturgical language. When you go
to the synagogue, you see Greek.

713
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:30.199
Why don't you see why don't you
see any Hebrew? You see Greek in

714
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:36.400
the synagogues. No, theoa is
what this guy job has and I want

715
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:42.360
you to see that this is that
saba, that Saba of Zaeus or the

716
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.840
good keep going Neil, right very
now, how does this translated? Right

717
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:51.440
on the mass of rex side.
You just use an adjective for being afraid

718
01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:59.960
and you drop in eloheim. Look, THEO sabeya is taken by the Hebrew

719
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:08.199
back translator and done literally. They
have no internal concept of THEO sabba or

720
01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:13.920
sabe. All right, so what
is he saying there? Do you understand

721
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:18.320
what's Yeah, THEO is god fearing. It was a title that was used

722
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:24.559
you do see synagogue inscriptions where somebody
and and god fearer was a title that

723
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:29.199
was used in the Hellenistic Jewish world
to refer to somebody who was a Greek

724
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.599
or Roman, was not Jewish but
supported the Jewish community. So it was

725
01:05:32.679 --> 01:05:36.679
like he's a friend of the Jews, he's a god fearer, and so

726
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:42.119
you have like a funeral in so
we want to be fearful of our God

727
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:47.159
who's also jealous. Inscriptions or on
somebody's headstone that says this is Dave god

728
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.440
fearer. So that was that just
meant he was a friend. This is

729
01:05:50.559 --> 01:05:54.519
Dave god Fear. Yeah, what
a great what a great way to sum

730
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:58.719
up someone's life. Friend of the
Jewish people. Yeah, or you I

731
01:05:58.840 --> 01:06:03.119
might say this synagogue was thanks to
the help of so and so Thiocedes God

732
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:09.400
Fears. So that's a title that
developed within Hellenistic Judaism, as it's interacting

733
01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:13.920
with the Greco Roman world. So
it's not unusual that there would be a

734
01:06:14.039 --> 01:06:19.119
title that is unique to Greek because
that title developed from the interaction of Jewish

735
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:25.960
and Greco Roman individuals. The notion
that this Hebrew didn't pre exist that title,

736
01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:30.880
that this is a translation from that
title is nonsensical. So and then

737
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:41.239
he's also mentioning here that the synagogues, the synagogues they had astrology or zodiacs.

738
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:45.360
They had a Greek astrology on the
ceilings and stuff like that. So

739
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:51.840
they had mosaics that would have Greek
astrological Yeah, the zodiacs, yes,

740
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:58.199
yeah, so most of those are
from second century CE and later. Dura

741
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:03.440
Europus is the most famous one.
But yeah, there's and this is again

742
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:09.159
the interaction of Jewish communities with the
Hellenized world. They're living in a world

743
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:14.519
where everybody around them is speaking Greek, and so there are you have a

744
01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.760
whole spectrum of people from the folks
who went ran off into the desert at

745
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:21.360
Kuman, and these are the hippies
that went out in the desert to live

746
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.960
by themselves. We're sick of the
man. We're going to go be by

747
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:30.639
ourselves. And then you had like
the Maccabees and others who fought against the

748
01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:34.639
Seleucid tyrants, like Antiochus, the
Fourth Epiphanies, and these are the folks

749
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.800
who want to defend their culture.
They're not about to go out into the

750
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.320
desert, but they're also not going
to adopt the Greco Roman worldview. And

751
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.119
then you have other folks, and
this is primarily the elites, the people

752
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:51.559
who are well off who you know, the Greek tax well, I'm sorry,

753
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:57.840
the Jews who are tax collectors in
Alexandria. Right, they didn't they

754
01:07:57.880 --> 01:08:00.760
didn't have it too much of a
problem with the with the whole system because

755
01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:06.400
they're making it killing. There's a
lot of social capital associated with integrating with

756
01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:13.239
the broader Hellenistic world who are fine
with it. And what we find in

757
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:16.239
what has been preserved in you know, what we call the Jewish scriptures is

758
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:23.880
mostly the production of the people on
the more conservative end of that spectrum.

759
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:28.000
So the folks who are very insular
running off into the desert to hide from

760
01:08:28.039 --> 01:08:31.960
the Romans, and the people who
are fighting against the Romans. Christianity is

761
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:39.800
kind of the folks who are a
little closer to the assimilationists, the the

762
01:08:40.640 --> 01:08:46.359
people who are accommodating to the Hellenistic
world, accommodating they're in their world,

763
01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:51.319
man, Like, what do you
mean by accommodating. It's it's not there,

764
01:08:51.520 --> 01:08:57.439
it's not their place. They're they're
the outsiders. It's it's it's silly

765
01:08:57.479 --> 01:09:00.319
how they say that. But anyway, that's let's get up to this part.

766
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.840
We're going to get into some molar
of the translations. Here again you

767
01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.439
can find this. It's called Biblical
Sculleries Bonds, Sam and Hillman was Jesus

768
01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.880
Christ the trafficker Dan McLellan, and
it's on the Danny Jones podcast. I

769
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.079
think it might be the most recent
one. Still if you go to the

770
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:17.800
videos, a tad language. We're
not dressing like them. So there's there's

771
01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:26.119
a there's a whole spectrum of distinction
versus accommodation going on with people who are

772
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:30.159
consuming and using the scriptures, the
Jewish scriptures, whether the Hebrew Bible or

773
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:34.840
the well what ultimately become the New
Testament. Okay, so the point he's

774
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:36.960
making here is, Steve, can
you just play like the next like ten

775
01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:42.079
seconds of it to see what if
we get to the Greek go ahead,

776
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.119
one who feared God. You're saying, it's it would it would be really

777
01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:51.039
hard to go the other way around
to translate those two words into theo sibeyo.

778
01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:57.760
Right, it would be impossible,
Neil, because he's so he's saying,

779
01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:02.439
it would be impossible to translate eloheme
and we ray into theosibea. Is

780
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:06.119
that what he's saying seems to be
what he's saying, which is nonsensical because

781
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:15.239
there's because translation is not just a
a surgical, technical reproduction of the same

782
01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:20.000
words in another language. It is
just as much in art. There's there's

783
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:25.880
a whole range of ways to translate
something, and particularly when it comes to

784
01:10:26.319 --> 01:10:30.600
things that are considered authoritative or or
even inspired. And so you have a

785
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:34.520
word like theosibea, which means is
to one who fears God. So it's

786
01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:38.840
it's that's one word in Greek.
Right, And then so if I say

787
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:44.039
it's a compound word though, because
it's theos and the verb for fear,

788
01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.199
so there's two of them being Yeah. But that's how Greek works. That's

789
01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:51.319
why there's so many different words,
because that's how it's built, and that's

790
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:57.720
what makes us such an interesting and
very useful language. That's why you can

791
01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:03.039
create one and fifty words with it, depending on what you're trying to conceptualize.

792
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:08.399
Right, So that's not really an
argument, that's just a statement of

793
01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:13.279
how Greek works, but acting like
it's somehow different or unique, because it's

794
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.479
no, that's just how that language
operates together. In one word, it's

795
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:18.600
a compower. Okay, so it's
kind of like booty call. Well we

796
01:11:18.840 --> 01:11:24.159
that would be two words are a
hyphenated word, but football football, there

797
01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:27.479
we go. Okay, got it, thanks Steve. Okay, So this

798
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.520
is like that we're taking a word
like football and we're translating it. And

799
01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:35.760
basically, so you're saying, they're
separating it and they're taking each part the

800
01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:43.079
person who's doing the fearing and the
entity God, and they're separating those into

801
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:53.279
Hebrew, and he's Ammond's point is
that it's impossible to do this. I

802
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:59.279
worked in scripture translation for ten years. That's laughable. The notion that that

803
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:02.199
would be impot possible is just not
because you already know what the outcome is

804
01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:08.800
that you want, so therefore you
already have a confirmation bias going into it.

805
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.840
So you're going to make it fit
and you're going to rationalize how it

806
01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:16.960
fits on sensical's that has absolutely no
basis in any kind of valid translation theory

807
01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:25.520
that exists. There is a presupposition
in the translation of the Bible that anything

808
01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:29.800
that is said in one trend in
a given language can be translated into another.

809
01:12:30.119 --> 01:12:31.880
And I think there's a degree to
which that's accurate. But at the

810
01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:35.760
same time, there's so much nuance
and so many layers of meaning that can

811
01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:41.239
be added by the nonverbals. This
sounds like word solid to me, by

812
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:46.319
emphasis, by context, by all
this kind of stuff that you can't really

813
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:53.079
communicate in writing. So there are
ways to say. You could have a

814
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:57.199
text and a translation, and you
could say this is an accurate translation because

815
01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:00.479
these words means this, and these
words mean this, And then you could

816
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:03.640
say this is an inaccurate translation because
there's also this thing going on here,

817
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:06.720
but you have to be on the
inside. You have to get the joke,

818
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:13.079
and the translation doesn't communicate that.
In Bible translation, you're trying to

819
01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:16.720
strike a balance because what you're doing
is you're taking something that is a product

820
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:21.880
of a specific time and place,
and this doesn't even go into what the

821
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:28.960
Bible really translates out to be.
So this is again another showing of how

822
01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:38.359
the Hebrew failed to express the things
that we then took as biblical and lost

823
01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:42.039
a whole lot of the defining words
that tell you a whole different tale.

824
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.640
You're trying to render it understandable to
a different time and place and language,

825
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:50.880
and there are a bunch of ways
that you can Your translation is going to

826
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:56.000
fall somewhere between those two, and
you can make it a lot closer to

827
01:13:56.239 --> 01:13:59.760
the original, like if you use
the same word order, or you use

828
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:02.279
you ensure that the same number of
words are being used, or something like

829
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.840
that, and that makes it closer
to the original. But then the reader

830
01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:10.319
has to do a lot more work
to understand it. They have to get

831
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:14.760
themselves closer to the original time and
place in order to understand what's going on.

832
01:14:15.640 --> 01:14:19.319
So they're just straight up telling you
that they're dumbing it down when they

833
01:14:19.399 --> 01:14:25.159
translate it so that the people of
that period of time will understand it more.

834
01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:30.439
That completely takes away the meaning of
the original. And so like an

835
01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:34.199
interlinear, people think they understand the
Bible better if they look at an interlinear

836
01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:40.279
or something like that, and that's
not how language works. It becomes harder

837
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:43.720
to understand. The other thing that
you can do is you can accommodate the

838
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:49.239
language to the target audience. You
can move the translation closer to the understanding

839
01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:54.479
the conventions, the history of whoever's
going to be reading it. See,

840
01:14:54.640 --> 01:15:00.319
there you go, that's what they're
saying. They do so they augment the

841
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:04.159
original intent, and that makes it
easier to understand, but it also moves

842
01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:09.439
it away from the meaning that it
had in that original context. Yeah,

843
01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:14.640
and so the example of butt dial
and booty call again in a thousand years,

844
01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:18.039
if for whatever reason they lost all
knowledge of this, both of those

845
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:23.840
are going to feel pretty similar because
they don't they're not close enough to the

846
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:29.720
source culture to be able to understand
what those words meant. Yeah, and

847
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:31.359
here we are two thousand years,
more than two thousand years away, trying

848
01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:34.239
to figure out what was going on
back then. That's the hardest part about

849
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:38.039
this whole thing is trying to figure
out the context of what the hell was

850
01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.840
going on back then. Yeah,
that's where the meaning is found, is

851
01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:48.319
in reproducing the history, the literary
context why somebody was writing and so.

852
01:15:49.119 --> 01:15:51.720
And an example, I use a
lot a lot of people like the King

853
01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:57.760
James version of the Bible. I
think it's it's a great literary artifact,

854
01:15:58.239 --> 01:16:00.960
but it is an awful translation of
the Bible. And it's an awful translation,

855
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:06.279
yea, for a number of different
reasons, because they were using inferior

856
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:14.279
manuscripts, because they were frequently being
overly literal, and so they weren't they

857
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:17.319
if they didn't have a clear understanding
of what something meant in the source,

858
01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:21.600
they would frequently just render it literally, translated as literal as they could follow

859
01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:28.239
the same word order and everything like
that. And sometimes it's just nonsensical,

860
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:34.439
like there's we have passages in the
King James version that are semantically meaningless because

861
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:39.359
they were they just punted. They
were like, no, just just render

862
01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:45.720
it literally. And but an example
of why it's also outdated, nobody speaks

863
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:49.239
the language in fact, when they
when they published the King James version.

864
01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:55.079
Nobody spoke the language of the King
James version because it is a very conservative

865
01:16:55.119 --> 01:16:59.920
revision of the Bishop's Bible, which
was a very conservative revision of earlier translation

866
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.800
and earlier translations back to Tyndall's New
Testament in this pentitoc and then Coverdale's translation

867
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:09.159
of the rest of the Old Testament
from almost a century before, and so

868
01:17:09.279 --> 01:17:12.560
the language is almost a century out
of date on the date it was published,

869
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:15.920
and now it's more than four hundred
years further out of date. But

870
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:20.640
a good example is the Epistle of
Jude in the New Testament, verse twenty

871
01:17:20.680 --> 01:17:27.119
two. It says, of some
have compassion making a difference. And I've

872
01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:31.039
seen sermons preached on this where people
say, have compassion on people. It

873
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:34.520
makes a difference in their lives,
It has a positive impact, it has

874
01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:40.399
a positive influence. That's how we
interpret making a difference has absolutely nothing at

875
01:17:40.399 --> 01:17:43.159
all to do with what the King
James translators were trying to say, because

876
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:47.720
in sixteen eleven, making a difference
didn't mean have a positive impact or influence.

877
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:53.920
It meant to distinguish one thing from
another. So what they were trying

878
01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:59.439
to say was of some have compassion, but be discerning, but exercise discernment

879
01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:04.600
regarding and that phrase making a difference
didn't start to mean having a positive influence

880
01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:12.159
or impact until around the year nineteen
hundred. So our experience of the language

881
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:17.199
of the King James version is different
from the experiences of the translators. So

882
01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:21.159
then there are a bunch of different
ways that we misunderstand the King James version.

883
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:26.880
But even that's an example of how
we can be far enough away from

884
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:31.239
the source culture that we don't even
need a translation the same language that we

885
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.239
are speaking. We're too far away
from the source culture to understand it.

886
01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:43.840
So when you're talking about a translation
from one language to another, it's so

887
01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:45.920
funny that we can be so far
in the future and still be arguing about

888
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:49.159
what the hell they're talking about.
It's kind of goofy. Yeah, well,

889
01:18:49.279 --> 01:18:56.279
and it's unfortunate because you know,
it still means life or death for

890
01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:00.399
some people what the Bible says.
I know, if people think it's yeah,

891
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:06.399
that's that's an interesting point you make. It's it's perplexing to me how

892
01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:14.840
people can be a scholar of the
Bible and dedicate their lives. I mean,

893
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:18.439
to go to school and to get
a master's degree in studying the Bible.

894
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:23.000
It's a it's a science. You're
trying to figure out the truth about

895
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:28.840
something. And it seems to me
so counterintuitive that you have all these people

896
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:33.560
who are Bible scholars, but they're
also subscribing to the very belief of the

897
01:19:33.640 --> 01:19:38.760
thing that they're studying. That is
one of the things that causes me an

898
01:19:38.760 --> 01:19:45.319
awful lot of being too close to
the material to be objective. That's a

899
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:49.840
good point, right. Heartache is
the fact that there are folks who ostensibly

900
01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:56.279
want to understand this as it was
understood anciently, but conveniently it always seems

901
01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:00.319
to line up with what they want
it to mean today. And I think

902
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:04.640
that's to there's a degree to which
that's inevitable. Because we don't have the

903
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:10.199
authors here with us today, we
can't drill them for understanding. We can't

904
01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:11.840
say what did you mean by this? Did you mean this, or did

905
01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:15.800
you mean that? We can only
try to reconstruct their perspectives and what we

906
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.640
think they meant. And for a
text that is authoritative, you know,

907
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:25.279
this happens with the Constitution and other
things as well. For the texts that

908
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:30.720
are authoritative or thought to be inspired
or anything like that, just intuitively,

909
01:20:31.319 --> 01:20:36.479
not even on purpose. Just the
way the human mind interprets language, we're

910
01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:44.680
going to be nudged in the direction
of an interpretation that serves our interests or

911
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:48.119
makes sense to us. And for
a text like the Bible, which there's

912
01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:56.039
so much power and authority and values
wrapped up in it, I think it's

913
01:20:56.239 --> 01:20:59.439
just so incumbent on people who do
make it their life's work to study the

914
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:04.039
Bible, to distinguish what I want
the Bible to mean from what I think,

915
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:08.640
you know, what they originally wanted
it to mean. Because if it

916
01:21:09.199 --> 01:21:13.880
just conveniently always happens to be the
exact same thing, there's a problem in

917
01:21:13.960 --> 01:21:18.319
your Your math is wrong. It's
because they lived in an entirely different world

918
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:23.319
anciently. They don't magically hate all
the same people and magically love all the

919
01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:29.199
same people and magically need all the
same things. All right, moving up

920
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:31.880
a little bit here, there's a
commercial through that, So I'm just going

921
01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:36.840
to go ahead and dance. Personal
bias isn't all that important. Let's go

922
01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:45.560
to Toro origins right now. Going
back real quick to the subtuogen, is

923
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:50.359
there any evidence that we can date
the Torah. Let's say say the Tora

924
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:55.920
was first, the Subtuogen came after. Is there any evidence that places the

925
01:21:56.119 --> 01:22:00.600
creation of the tour in the Hellenistic
era? There have been some theories about

926
01:22:00.640 --> 01:22:06.720
that, But it's not the composition
of the Torah. It is the consolidation

927
01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:14.800
of all these traditions and texts together
and their arrangements that so with he's saying

928
01:22:14.840 --> 01:22:18.800
there is that he's admitting that it's
possible that it was all put together during

929
01:22:18.840 --> 01:22:24.479
the Hellenistic period. But what he
say for the Torah meaning it's in Hebrew

930
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:29.199
right, but that it was already
pre existing for a very very long time

931
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:31.439
and they were just assembling it.
It just happened to be that they were

932
01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:36.119
assembling during the same time. It
appears that they were borrowing all these ideas

933
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:42.640
and concepts from the Greek mythology,
in the Greek legends that seems a little

934
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:48.640
suspicious. Almost certainly took place in
the Hellenistic era. So, for instance,

935
01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:53.199
like the Book of Genesis has some
of the oldest poetry and all the

936
01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:56.479
Hebrew Bible may go back to a
thousand BC. Like Genesis forty nine,

937
01:22:57.119 --> 01:23:00.800
it also has can you show us
where that comes from. Can you show

938
01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:04.600
us something from one thousand BC that
you can pull up and say, hey,

939
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:12.720
here it is some traditions that are
post exilic that come from around maybe

940
01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:16.239
the late sixth or the fifth century
BCE. See, they use the Bible's

941
01:23:16.600 --> 01:23:25.880
statements to date the Bible's origins.
So if somebody backdates something to gain legitimacy

942
01:23:26.039 --> 01:23:30.239
for their claims, then they just
say, well no, because look they're

943
01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.600
saying that it came from there.
So you're using the same book to validate

944
01:23:34.680 --> 01:23:40.920
and verify the book. That's that's
circular argument, right. It probably did

945
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:45.239
not take the shape that we know
it now more or less until probably around

946
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:50.239
three or two hundred BCE. So
these to me, that's an open admission

947
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:56.039
right there. X And these traditions
all have very very long lives. But

948
01:23:56.600 --> 01:24:03.840
I think that the actual arrangement of
the Five Books of the Pentateuch in the

949
01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:08.640
way we have it now, that
probably did take place during the Hellenistic era.

950
01:24:08.760 --> 01:24:12.720
However, the stories in them,
and many of them in the ect

951
01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.000
actual textual form in which we now
have them, probably existed for several years

952
01:24:16.039 --> 01:24:18.960
prior to that. Yeah, I
watched the video with the guy God Burnea,

953
01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:25.000
God God, Burnia. And he
says that he insists that the Torah

954
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:31.119
was at three hundred BC or later
for yeah, and usually these scholars were

955
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:34.319
talking about when it all came together
in the shape that we have it now,

956
01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:40.279
which is close to the Septuagen.
Yes, yeah, relatively close.

957
01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:45.039
Yeah, within within a century,
within a century. Yeah. And so

958
01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:48.600
while we have in addition to that
a just claims that there's older texts and

959
01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:56.000
that they're pulling from something that actually
was written or conceived of back when Moses

960
01:24:56.039 --> 01:25:00.720
allegedly was walking the earth. Otherwise, the agreement is, yeah, that

961
01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:04.239
was put together during the Hellenistic period
in the same time the septuagen was.

962
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:10.560
So what does that tell you?
And at the same time, you know,

963
01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:15.439
when we look at the septuagen,
the Septuagint translation of Jeremiah is one

964
01:25:15.600 --> 01:25:23.199
sixth shorter than the Hebrew version,
and so what who did that math?

965
01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:29.239
And also, yeah, the complexity
of words in Greek would allow for that,

966
01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:31.760
Right, you can get sexualized things
a whole lot quicker when you have

967
01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:38.279
words that you can build on.
A lot of scholars think happened there is

968
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:42.600
that the version of Jeremiah as it
existed when it was translated into Greek was

969
01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:47.920
much shorter, and that it was
expanded scribally in the centuries after. So

970
01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:51.399
there's probably a lot of stuff going
on right or in between three hundred and

971
01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:56.039
one hundred BCE. There's probably an
awful lot of stuff going on, and

972
01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:02.520
it's an incredibly complex thing to try
to unpack and parse apart, but in

973
01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:09.680
general we in kind of broad strokes, we can talk about yellow journalism and

974
01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:15.600
revisionist history. That's what was going
on during that period, the main sources

975
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:18.640
being the Deuteronomous source, the priestly
source, and then the others we call

976
01:26:18.760 --> 01:26:27.439
non p of the Pentateuch. Probably
the Deuteronomists probably started under King Josiah the

977
01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:34.399
end of the eighth century or excuse
me, seventh century BCE show us that's

978
01:26:34.439 --> 01:26:41.560
when the earliest layers of Deuteronomy probably
started getting written down. But Deuteronomy in

979
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.720
the shape that we have it now
probably is around three hundred two hundred PCE,

980
01:26:45.319 --> 01:26:49.199
so there's there's over three hundred to
maybe four So here's the thing too.

981
01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:56.600
If it was seven hundred BC,
Moses was to have lived way before

982
01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:00.520
that, so nothing was written down
about Deuteronomy until then, so how do

983
01:27:00.840 --> 01:27:05.239
how do we know that that's an
accurate portrayal of what was going on four

984
01:27:05.359 --> 01:27:12.119
hundred years of developed Apparently one hundred
and two hundred years is enough cultural differences

985
01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:15.359
for things that mean different things and
to have a different application. So why

986
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:23.159
would we expect something that happened in
sixteen hundred BC, give or take,

987
01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:29.000
to be accurately written down and even
if it was truly done in eight hundred

988
01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:33.520
or seven hundred BC element of that
text. Here's another thing I don't understand.

989
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:40.239
Yeah, Moses. So the first
time, the first time Moses has

990
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:45.960
written about is Hectaeus of Abdera outside
the Bible. Yeah that was talking about

991
01:27:46.039 --> 01:27:50.359
Yeah, yeah, Hecataus. This
was like three hundred and twenty B outside

992
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:56.279
of the Bible. But we haven't
gotten into a specific date of when that

993
01:27:56.399 --> 01:28:02.439
Bible was originally put together, right, So Hellenistic period once again goes right

994
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:06.840
back to it outside of the Bible, meaning somehow a Bible is the authority.

995
01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:12.119
It's timeless, there's no no date
you need to worry your minds about.

996
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.680
But yeah, Hectus of Abdera was
the first person to talk about Moses,

997
01:28:16.039 --> 01:28:19.720
and I bet you Hectaus may possibly
be hebre I don't know, it

998
01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:25.720
may possibly be a Jew. We
should look that up, you see,

999
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.960
or something the three D. Yeah, yeah, So how come we have

1000
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:35.720
the We don't have any mention of
Moses between when he supposedly existed twelve hundred

1001
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:43.319
BC up until three hundred BC.
So uh, most scholars would say the

1002
01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:49.199
Moses tradition probably started being written down
in the seven hundreds. They would say

1003
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:55.279
that do they have paperwork to show
that, and do they have do they

1004
01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:59.760
even have any idea like what really
was going on in twelve hundred BC.

1005
01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.760
If it wasn't written down until seven
hundred BC, that's a pretty big expanse

1006
01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:10.760
of time, five hundred years of
nobody saying anything about it. Nothing.

1007
01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:16.600
What does that mean? Maybe the
late eight hundreds BCE, but probably in

1008
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:21.800
the seven hundreds BCE and up until
we get to the Greco Roman period.

1009
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:29.119
There's not a lot of interaction between
these cultures. So the classical authors who

1010
01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:32.560
are away in Greece, they're not
really interacting with what's going on in Jerusalem.

1011
01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:41.600
They may know about it. There
are some travelogues people who are traveling

1012
01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:46.119
through and taking note of some general
traditions. But yeah, I don't think

1013
01:29:46.159 --> 01:29:53.079
it's a huge surprise that we don't
hear about Moses until the Hellenistic period.

1014
01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:56.600
So hektaese abderaz three hundred. You're
saying, there's someone else who wrote about

1015
01:29:56.600 --> 01:30:00.680
it in seven hundred, not somebody
outside the Bible. I'm saying the but

1016
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:08.399
you haven't dated sufficiently to anybody's satisfaction
when that Bible was allegedly written originally,

1017
01:30:09.600 --> 01:30:13.479
And so far all we can come
up with this three hundred BC during the

1018
01:30:13.560 --> 01:30:19.760
Hellenistic period under the occupation of the
Greeks. The account in the Book of

1019
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:25.640
Exodus probably comes from the seven hundreds
originally, not as we have it now,

1020
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:30.159
but don't you love Probably probably's work, but the Moses tradition probably originates

1021
01:30:30.199 --> 01:30:33.279
in the seven hundreds. So you're
saying, Okay, you're saying the account

1022
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:40.119
in the Bible refer to the seventh
century BC. I think it's kind of

1023
01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:46.119
like this, if your grandfather was
had some kind of cool war story or

1024
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:50.840
something like that, and it doesn't
get written down until one hundred years after

1025
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:56.439
he dies, and then but that
would bring that to eleven hundred BC,

1026
01:30:56.960 --> 01:31:02.079
and nobody did that according to him. Hundreds of years later, people are

1027
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:05.000
starting up. There you go,
Danny, exactly. I wouldn't believe it.

1028
01:31:05.600 --> 01:31:10.760
Publish it. Yeah, it's kind
of like that. But the data

1029
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:15.960
don't support the historicity of Moses or
the Exodus. So the data don't support

1030
01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:19.960
the historicity of Moses or the Exodus, at least how it is told in

1031
01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:25.359
the Exodus. In other words,
there is not good evidence that there was

1032
01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:29.560
a historical Moses, that Moses existed. Hey, there you go. Good,

1033
01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:31.319
good job, Dan McClellan. Good, I'm glad you said that.

1034
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:39.920
Most likely, this is a tradition
that got started up and over time accreted

1035
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:44.840
more and more details and got altered
and got changed and got added to.

1036
01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:47.000
And there are a bunch of different
theories about how this happened. Some folks

1037
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:55.279
think that one theory is that there
was a band of levitical priests who were

1038
01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:58.439
enslaved in Egypt, and they escaped
and made their way to the northern hill

1039
01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:02.840
country, and that their story of
escape grew to you know, millions of

1040
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.760
people, and we trudged along in
the desert for forty years. Another theory

1041
01:32:06.960 --> 01:32:12.039
is that it was just a small
group of people who were already in the

1042
01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:15.640
northern hill country of Israel, who
escaped enslavement and told their story. And

1043
01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:19.359
over the centuries the fish got bigger
and bigger and bigger. Or it was

1044
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:29.520
the origins of victimhood that they would
utilize to garner sympathy and subdue minds for

1045
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:34.399
AONs and we have, you know
what we have now in the story of

1046
01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:39.039
the Exodus. But the way it's
the way the story is told, the

1047
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:44.840
language that is used. Most scholars
would say this seems to be something that

1048
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:51.640
developed between the eighth century and probably
the fourth century. But and another important

1049
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:56.439
point is that when a lot of
these stories were being written, they're being

1050
01:32:56.560 --> 01:33:02.399
used as scribal exercises. So it's
they're being used to train scribes to write,

1051
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:08.399
train scribes to lie, so they're
you know, not everybody has a

1052
01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:12.760
copy of Exodus in their living room. If you go to if you get

1053
01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:15.920
special training to be a scribe,
you will have read this because it will

1054
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:21.239
be something that you had to write
out. They're also being used the elites

1055
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:27.279
or using these texts to kind of
structure power. There's competition between the palace

1056
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:31.560
and the temple, and they're writing
different kinds of texts to try to show

1057
01:33:31.600 --> 01:33:34.159
that they're the ones who should be
in charge. And then, particularly after

1058
01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:40.439
the exile, there's a lot going
on with groups who want to return to

1059
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:45.039
Israel and want the land to be
pure. And so we wouldn't expect to

1060
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.960
see people from speaking another language in
another nation being aware of these texts because

1061
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:53.960
they didn't publish them. There was
no New York Times Number one bestseller list

1062
01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:59.359
that they looked at. These were
texts that were kind of internally circulating until

1063
01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:02.760
we get into the Hellenistic period when
they're probably more widely known. And there's

1064
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:08.960
a there's a book called The Origins
of Judaism by Jonatan Adler that was recently

1065
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:15.359
published that argues that we don't see
widespread knowledge within the people of Judea of

1066
01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:21.399
the laws of the Torah and their
enforcement until the middle of the second century

1067
01:34:21.479 --> 01:34:29.199
BCE. So will isn't that interesting
like one sixties is when you start to

1068
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:35.560
see widespread avoidance of pork, when
you start to see certain kind of purity

1069
01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:44.119
practices suddenly start being practiced. And
so the argument there is that the text

1070
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:46.359
that we now know is the Pentituk
is the Torah were not used by the

1071
01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.800
whole nation they were just they were
the describal exercises. They were pastored.

1072
01:34:49.960 --> 01:34:55.920
So the explanation as to why it
wasn't widespread is because it wasn't circulated,

1073
01:34:56.000 --> 01:35:00.720
not because it didn't exist. That's
that's the whole argument. It's just because

1074
01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:05.159
people didn't know about it. But
it was all right there, just needed

1075
01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:13.319
to be distributed around the elite.
They were used to try to structure power.

1076
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:20.039
And then when we had this war
the Maccabees and the Seleucids and we

1077
01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:27.279
have the establishment of the Hasminian dynasty. So for a brief time period after

1078
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:32.399
the Hellenistic period, there was actually
an independent, quasi independent kingdom of Judea.

1079
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.319
And it was at that time period
that the people who were in charge

1080
01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:40.239
of that kingdom probably said, all
right, everybody needs to follow these rules

1081
01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:45.319
now, because we're a people again, we're our own nation, and this

1082
01:35:45.520 --> 01:35:48.800
is how we're going to identify ourselves. These are the identity markers that are

1083
01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:54.119
going to distinguish us from the people
we just fought off. And so that's

1084
01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:58.359
a theory about the rise of all
the practices that we now associate with Judaism.

1085
01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.159
Yes, okay, that makes sense. Okay, let's watch the second

1086
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:06.399
video you did. The second video
you did was about the Christ, right,

1087
01:36:08.039 --> 01:36:13.119
what's the what's the root of christ? Ing? The word again creole?

1088
01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:17.279
Creole? There's also the christing was
when they were putting the stuff in

1089
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:21.359
the eyes. There we go,
Yeah, we'll just watch it. What

1090
01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:25.880
is the Christ? What is the
Antichrist? What is the Christ? If

1091
01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:28.399
you have to know them anti Christ, you have to know the Christ?

1092
01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:33.119
Right, all right, let's see
it. It's a Greek word for for

1093
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:45.439
applying a drug into your eyes,
So maybe open that's what the Christ means

1094
01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:49.279
in Greek. Yes, the incredulity
on the face of this podcast host is

1095
01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:57.640
warranted because that is pure and utter
nonsense from the verb rio to be stung

1096
01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:02.600
by the gap slides. So,
as with many words in many languages,

1097
01:37:02.720 --> 01:37:08.560
the verbal root creole in ancient Greek
can mean more than one thing. Overwhelmingly,

1098
01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:13.600
it refers to rubbing with some kind
of sticky fluid of some kind,

1099
01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:16.680
either rubbing into the eyes, how's
that different, debathing, or for some

1100
01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:21.000
kind of ritual purpose or something like
that. So, in the context to

1101
01:37:21.199 --> 01:37:26.880
anoint, be anointed, anointing something
like that is going to take up the

1102
01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:30.399
majority of the real estate for the
occurrences of this verbal root. However,

1103
01:37:30.479 --> 01:37:33.720
it can refer to the sting of
a gadfly, but that is overwhelmed.

1104
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:39.640
So he just up and says that
he wasn't wrong and in the context,

1105
01:37:39.760 --> 01:37:45.159
and what he what Ammon reads is
all the parmacological all the all the drug

1106
01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:49.479
literature from Greece, from the Greek
time period, where nobody's reading this stuff,

1107
01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:54.319
thousands upon thousands of pages, so
he understands how it's used in the

1108
01:37:54.399 --> 01:37:59.960
context, whelmingly in the minority of
occurrences of this verb, and it's limit

1109
01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:05.399
to classical and later Greek lyrical poetry, none of which that's based on your

1110
01:38:06.159 --> 01:38:12.520
exposure to all of the writings that
the Greeks left behind, and you're not

1111
01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:15.439
You had a minor in Greek,
so you're not seeing it all has anything

1112
01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:20.680
whatsoever to do with early Jewish or
early Christian literature, not the septuagen not

1113
01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:27.039
the New Testament, not the early
literature. Okay, so he did correct

1114
01:38:27.079 --> 01:38:30.840
me on something there. I said
it was limited to classical and early Greek

1115
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:35.199
lyrical poetry, but it's also in
classical and early Greek medical texts, and

1116
01:38:35.720 --> 01:38:41.319
he pointed out out, so,
oh, Yeah. Now that has absolutely

1117
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:45.159
no bearing whatsoever on the claim that
that's what it means in the New Testament.

1118
01:38:45.399 --> 01:38:48.680
But because apparently words means something different
when you put him in a Bible

1119
01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:53.479
and you call it a Bible,
all of a sudden, it can't possibly

1120
01:38:53.600 --> 01:38:57.720
mean what it always means, because
they wouldn't say that in the Bible.

1121
01:38:59.439 --> 01:39:01.880
Okay, it is in medical texts, Okay. So he so, is

1122
01:39:01.960 --> 01:39:08.199
it true that the word trio means
to apply drugs to the eyes of the

1123
01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:14.000
skin. So it can if it
can if the context indicates that that's how

1124
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:18.000
it's being used, Okay. Because
so the way Ahman described it to me,

1125
01:39:18.159 --> 01:39:23.399
he said, what classicists do is
they take the meanings of words and

1126
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:28.760
they figure out what part on the
human timeline where in history the context fits,

1127
01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:31.680
where they fit into the where they
come from, and what was going

1128
01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:35.159
on at that time in history,
to figure out what it meant. Then

1129
01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:39.680
to figure out because there's like the
semantic drift over time. So we're gonna

1130
01:39:39.680 --> 01:39:43.239
go ahead and we're gonna go back
in the time machine to one hundred BC,

1131
01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:51.479
and during that time he's saying the
word cRIO meant overwhelmingly to apply drugs

1132
01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:57.439
to the skin. Yeah, that's
that's just not true. Like there are

1133
01:39:57.960 --> 01:40:01.880
you can isolate certain texts where they're
using it in that context to indicate that.

1134
01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:05.640
Okay, but if you just if
you just gather all the occurrences of

1135
01:40:05.800 --> 01:40:11.039
the word for a given time period, the majority are just going to be

1136
01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:16.439
more generic about how do you know
that you're not interpreting those portions of what

1137
01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:21.640
you're looking at incorrectly and that it
is consistently meaning the same thing, but

1138
01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:27.279
you're just not looking at it like
that rubbing with something. Either you just

1139
01:40:27.319 --> 01:40:30.560
got out of the bath and you
rubbed some oil on you so you smelled

1140
01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:35.960
good, or somebody you know,
just who knows one won a contest and

1141
01:40:36.119 --> 01:40:40.680
so they get a little smudge of
something, or Simba is born and you

1142
01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:45.000
go on his forehead, like all
of those things could be called this anointing.

1143
01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:48.960
There was another Disney reference. I
just want to point that out and

1144
01:40:49.840 --> 01:40:55.119
with and but you have to look
at each individual occurrence in its context,

1145
01:40:55.359 --> 01:41:00.319
because the context is what determines the
sense. Yes, and so what and

1146
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:08.520
Aman did a whole too something our
live stream responding to me arguing that I

1147
01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:12.840
was wrong about all this, but
all he ever did was show the non

1148
01:41:12.960 --> 01:41:16.079
Christian and non Jewish texts. So
you can't say, look at all these

1149
01:41:16.119 --> 01:41:20.520
texts over did you catch that?
So the words have different definitions If it's

1150
01:41:20.600 --> 01:41:30.640
in a Christian text using ancient Greek, that doesn't make any sense. You

1151
01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:33.720
put a label on something and call
it a Bible, and all of a

1152
01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:40.319
sudden words mean something else over here. They are using this word to mean

1153
01:41:40.439 --> 01:41:44.680
this. But I don't think he's
I don't think he's saying when he said

1154
01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:46.560
in the podcast, he didn't say
it was in the Bible. He just

1155
01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.760
said it was a Greek word.
Well, he's trying to define what the

1156
01:41:49.840 --> 01:41:55.279
Christ is. And his theory is
that he's saying that the term Christ means

1157
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:58.000
this. Yeah, why would you
use it? Why would you use that

1158
01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:00.319
word if that's not what it?
You know what I mean mean? Like,

1159
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:01.439
why would they pick it? Not? Why would they not pick a

1160
01:42:01.479 --> 01:42:08.119
different word than Christ? Then if
Christ already has been defined as rubbing something

1161
01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:13.039
in your eyes, then right,
the anointed one Christ? Right Cristos?

1162
01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:15.239
Right? Well you you asked about
it, he said, what is the

1163
01:42:15.279 --> 01:42:17.439
Christ? You said, what is
the Antichrist? And said, if you

1164
01:42:18.239 --> 01:42:23.079
Christ and Antichrist as we use those
words today are biblical terms. Their biblical

1165
01:42:23.159 --> 01:42:25.880
terms, right, But what I
get what his point is, But that

1166
01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:29.119
would be the dote and the antidote, by the way, is the the

1167
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:34.520
in the sources and the original sources
when the people around that world we're talking

1168
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:39.560
about and we're writing about this kind
of stuff. He's what he's saying is

1169
01:42:40.039 --> 01:42:45.600
outside of the biblical context, Christ
meant drugs, and anti Christ meant antidotes

1170
01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:50.640
to drugs like venom and and and
and anti venoms. They could be used

1171
01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:56.239
that way. Sure, what is
this? Is this? What would this

1172
01:42:56.319 --> 01:43:00.640
help? This is a Yeah,
that's the word. Yes, Yeah,

1173
01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:04.000
that's that's a Greek word christ right
here in the So this is a christ

1174
01:43:04.039 --> 01:43:09.680
doesn't a definition? It's is that
the property? Is that the So are

1175
01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:14.239
you saying this is is that the
word we're talking about? Christos right there?

1176
01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:16.840
Yeah, Christos is a title.
This is the This is the Greek,

1177
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:20.640
actual Greek letter up here, and
this is the English translation. Okay,

1178
01:43:20.920 --> 01:43:29.439
so it says to be rubbed on, used as ointment. Now you

1179
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:33.800
don't have you have you occasionally have
occurrences of this of this form of of

1180
01:43:33.960 --> 01:43:40.760
the word in classical Greek. But
but uh, this was not this was

1181
01:43:40.840 --> 01:43:45.560
not a salient title. So staring
directly at the answer, he still has

1182
01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:50.880
something to you argue, Like if
you were just in a if you just

1183
01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:58.239
had some random Greek text and they
just referred to the Christos the Christ,

1184
01:43:58.880 --> 01:44:01.079
no one would would know what on
earth you're talking about unless something in the

1185
01:44:01.159 --> 01:44:09.960
context were to indicate as a title. Christ and Antichrist are overwhelmingly for us

1186
01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:15.479
today and in the ancient world,
are going to evoke Christianity. And because

1187
01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:18.840
of that's how we've been conditioned for
the last two thousand years, not because

1188
01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:26.720
that's what the words undentitally meant.
So again you're arguing through the programming that

1189
01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:30.399
no one is going to ever recognize
this word as that. Well, yeah,

1190
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:32.359
because good job, you guys fooled
everybody for a long time, and

1191
01:44:32.439 --> 01:44:38.680
it's been conditioned into us to trigger
that response within us. But that doesn't

1192
01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:43.560
mean that that's accurate. In the
New Testament, where the words are used

1193
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:45.680
very differently, they're never used to
refer to. It's not that they're used

1194
01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:50.800
differently, it's that we're perceiving it
differently. And because years and years and

1195
01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:57.840
years of people preaching to us and
telling us what things mean. And this

1196
01:44:58.000 --> 01:45:00.159
was something that I pointed out that
but this was before Christianity. Oh yeah,

1197
01:45:00.239 --> 01:45:03.920
yeah, this was before christian right, So it's but it is,

1198
01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:11.479
there's a the way it was used
in the centuries prior to the development of

1199
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.640
the New Testament don't necessarily govern how
they're allowed to use it in the New

1200
01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:18.720
Testament. So we can change the
meanings of words, especially when it makes

1201
01:45:18.800 --> 01:45:24.760
more sense when we're trying to sell
you a concept of our religion. Got

1202
01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:30.479
it. Thanks. My whole point
was that if you're talking about Jesus in

1203
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the New Testament, if you're talking
about the translation of this word in the

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septuagen because this occurs in the septuagen
like Cyrus the Great is called my Christ

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in the Greek translation of Isaiah forty
five to one, the anointed one,

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and that is a translation of the
Hebrew word mischiach, which is a pre

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01:45:51.439 --> 01:45:57.399
existence that also long predates Christianity,
that is used to refer to people who

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are anointed for certain purposes they're consecrate, whether they are prophets, priests,

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or kings. So because that's how
the Hebrews retranslated the Greek, but the

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Greek was cristos, and that means
rubbing in the eyes, the rubbing of

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something, anointment or a drug.
Oh, you know, Samuel anoints Saul

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and David to be king. So
in that sense there which could specifically mean

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that they were put through a ritual
so that they would have the death and

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rebirth and then they would be eligible
to be kings because they went through the

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ritual, they went through the ceremony, Anointed because they're given special authority or

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prophets could be anointed, and Jesus
is the anointed one because this tradition developed

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that primarily in the Greco Roman period. And we can also say that Christ

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being the anointed one would mean that
they were giving him like they were conditioning

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these other children in the past to
be given this this dote, this drug,

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this venom into little slits in their
skin over time, so that they

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would develop the antidote and they would
be the antidote. So that would be

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another way to look at that that
there were there was going to be some

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special figure who had special authority,
who was going to be kind of a

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01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:23.680
mediator between God and humanity, who
is going to be going to be known

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in some circles as the anointed one. Now there were a bunch of other

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01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:30.399
titles as well, and when the
Jesus tradition starts, so he was the

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01:47:30.520 --> 01:47:35.079
antidote, get it, he was
the anointed one to arise. He kind

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01:47:35.119 --> 01:47:40.840
of consolidates all these different titles.
But the one that takes over and at

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least in the New Testament is Christ. So how come when we type in

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01:47:44.520 --> 01:47:46.520
this word here, it only pulls
up this to be rubbed on and use

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01:47:46.560 --> 01:47:51.000
his ointment because this is the moment. This is the generic sense. But

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01:47:51.159 --> 01:48:00.239
then in different contexts it can have
more specific reference. Does anyone else by

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01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:06.600
this? So yeah, like you
could you could use the word anoint today.

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You know if somebody, uh,
if you hit somebody with with something

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01:48:12.359 --> 01:48:15.000
that was wet and you know,
knocked him out and they and they got

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01:48:15.039 --> 01:48:16.600
all their face wet, you could
say you anointed him, just to be

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01:48:16.720 --> 01:48:21.840
funny. Like. So the word
has this kind of generic sense, but

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01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:30.680
in that context there's all that additional
semantic content that's associated with it with with

1239
01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:33.960
the generic sense, and this gets
into some complexities of how of how language

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01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:40.359
works. But now his in his
book The Chemical Muse, he makes the

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01:48:40.439 --> 01:48:44.039
case that during this time, that
during this classical period, this classical era,

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01:48:44.279 --> 01:48:48.399
that life was was absolutely brutal and
terrible. People were not dying from

1243
01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:51.800
heart disease, people were not dying
from old age. People were dying from

1244
01:48:51.840 --> 01:48:57.039
hand to hand combat, plague and
famine. And he was he's making the

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01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:00.800
case that that medicine and drug rugs, which weren't distinguished, there wasn't really

1246
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:06.159
a difference, were ubiquitous everywhere.
People needed them just to heal from wounds,

1247
01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:12.279
from battle, from everything, to
get through the day basically. And

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01:49:12.399 --> 01:49:15.920
he was saying it wasn't drugs as
we look at it as we as we

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01:49:15.039 --> 01:49:17.560
look at drugs today. Right,
we have the War on drugs, We

1250
01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:23.960
have this schedule system of scheduling drugs
on depending on how bad they are,

1251
01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:27.000
what the crime is going to be, or how much jail time you're going

1252
01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:29.479
to get. That that did not
exist. It was just it was just

1253
01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:33.119
they were viewed as medicines and ways
for these people to get through life and

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01:49:33.199 --> 01:49:38.199
to make life more bearable. So
he's saying that because he's I think he's

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01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:41.560
he's connecting the dots here. I
think I think he's kind of using that

1256
01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:45.640
that was what his dissertation was about
and he's taking the meetings like you look

1257
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:48.720
up the word for Christ, then
it means to apply an Nomenly he's connecting

1258
01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:56.359
the dots there with drugs. And
he also showed a passage from what was

1259
01:49:56.399 --> 01:50:00.520
it you? I say, I
saved it, Emil, But there's a

1260
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:04.319
passage you showed me. This is
it? Why do famous Greek authors like

1261
01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:06.640
okay? Okay? Yeah? This
was an example, right, So this

1262
01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:14.640
was from what this was from line
five one six of Euripides of Hippo Apolitics.

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01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:18.520
The Greek is very simple. So
what that's a sentence in Greek and

1264
01:50:18.800 --> 01:50:21.920
he's saying translated, it means what
kind of drug is it? Is it

1265
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:27.439
a christ or a potable? Meaning
to potable means to drink it. Yeah,

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01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:31.239
so it's is it topical or is
it or is it something you consume?

1267
01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:34.239
Right? So this is anyways,
my point, like this is,

1268
01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:36.399
this is his point of view.
You can see where he's coming from.

1269
01:50:38.920 --> 01:50:42.680
And I don't I don't disagree with
with the fact that they were using whatever

1270
01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:46.800
they could find to get by.
You know, dotera is around today because

1271
01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:50.119
people want to use whatever they can
find to to try to cure what ails

1272
01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:55.840
them, so, but to use
that as an interpretive lens to try to

1273
01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:04.479
entirely renegotiate what what Christianity was,
what g But the thing he doesn't catch

1274
01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:13.000
here is that this was prior to
definitely prior to the New Testament. So

1275
01:51:13.119 --> 01:51:19.359
these words had their definitions already.
It wasn't because after the fact they decided

1276
01:51:19.399 --> 01:51:25.600
that this word's now going to mean
the Christ, meaning that a person who's

1277
01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:30.439
going to save you. That's the
same thing as santon anadote in a sense,

1278
01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:35.319
as an idiom right. But it's
also has its own definition already.

1279
01:51:36.079 --> 01:51:45.199
So he's arguing forward to explain something
that happened prior arguing forward. It's kind

1280
01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:49.960
of frustrating to think to listen to
this because it's all about what people perceive

1281
01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:54.399
to mean, not what it actually
means. And that's what his argument is.

1282
01:51:54.720 --> 01:51:57.800
No, no one would ever think
that when they're talking about when they're

1283
01:51:57.800 --> 01:52:00.960
reading the book, that we've been
told supposed to mean a certain thing.

1284
01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:04.439
Well that's the whole point. The
whole point is we're told that it's supposed

1285
01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:08.239
to mean a certain thing. When
you come to find out that it means

1286
01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:11.800
something completely different, you have to
reevaluate what the hell it is that they're

1287
01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:14.880
saying, and he's like, no, no, that's not true. It's

1288
01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:19.960
because it's not how Christianity is supposed
to be seen as. So therefore these

1289
01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:24.640
words have to have different meanings.
And remember this guy was a graduate of

1290
01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:29.680
Brigham Young University. So he states
in the very beginning that he's Mormon,

1291
01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:34.079
which isn't even more out there.
And they have their own SRA issues and

1292
01:52:34.319 --> 01:52:41.319
they they protect people who are,
you know, guilty of Satanic ritual abuse

1293
01:52:41.359 --> 01:52:46.319
and awful lot and that in that
church as well. Jesus was within early

1294
01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:55.479
Christianity, is like at least be
able to use evidence from those texts because

1295
01:52:55.560 --> 01:53:00.840
Euripides have to do that. Don't. Don't. Don't argue the Bible from

1296
01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:05.680
outside of the Bible. Don't because
that's the authority, apparently because we said

1297
01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:09.239
so, because we wrapped a bunch
of stuff together and put a cover on

1298
01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:13.439
it and called it the Bible.
Therefore it's impenetrable because we said so.

1299
01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:19.359
And therefore you're not allowed to argue
anything that's not in the Bible against the

1300
01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:26.159
Bible, even if it's words,
and words have meanings, and meanings are

1301
01:53:26.239 --> 01:53:30.760
important doesn't matter if it's what we
tell If you we tell you to read

1302
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:34.439
this book a certain way, and
that this is what it means, you

1303
01:53:34.640 --> 01:53:40.279
have to use that in order to
argue against it. What what are you

1304
01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:45.960
saying has no bearing whatsoever on how
the author of the Gospel of Mark or

1305
01:53:45.039 --> 01:53:50.880
how Paul we're using the term Christ. If you go, every biblical scholar

1306
01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:55.159
sounds the same after a while,
and it's always the same circular argument.

1307
01:53:55.760 --> 01:54:00.239
Look in their text. They're not
using it in a way that's that is

1308
01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:05.079
amenable to these other medical texts,
Like just the genre of text is different.

1309
01:54:05.560 --> 01:54:09.039
It's not a medical text. Let
me ask you something, if you

1310
01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:13.000
know what the definition of the word
is, if you write medical text over

1311
01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:16.520
the top of it, or if
you write reodly just work over the top

1312
01:54:16.600 --> 01:54:20.239
of it, or if you write
journal entry over the top of it,

1313
01:54:20.319 --> 01:54:26.560
does that make the definition that we're
different when you're using it in your writing.

1314
01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:31.159
No, it doesn't. In case
you're wondering, So you have kind

1315
01:54:31.159 --> 01:54:36.800
of Greco Roman bios is part of
what the Gospels are doing. And you've

1316
01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:43.119
got a bunch of epistolary stuff,
a lot of paranetic stuff, a lot

1317
01:54:43.159 --> 01:54:45.840
of tangents being talked about. All
right, so we're going to pick this

1318
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:53.279
up again tomorrow. We're at one
hour, eight minutes and eighteen seconds into

1319
01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:57.239
a two hour talk, so we'll
be able to finish this up tomorrow.

1320
01:54:58.520 --> 01:55:01.640
And if you want to see more
of it without the commentary by me,

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01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:09.600
you can go to the Danny Jones
podcast on YouTube. There's eight hundred and

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01:55:09.680 --> 01:55:12.960
fifty seven thousand people are, give
or take, that have found it already,

1323
01:55:13.880 --> 01:55:19.520
so good for them. Must be
nice, Must be nice. I

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get kicked off every time I go
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in incognito in order to get back on

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