1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:17,760 Made decision Sunny Sun, I had nice what's up everybody? We have our 2 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:23,000 special guest episode today. We have two beautiful young ladies in the studio, 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:31,839 Amanda Lifford and Ant Maddox. We signed an NDA podcast. Yes for being 4 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:35,159 here, Thank you for having those guys. Hate taking the high road and 5 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,079 not having to uh, not being able to really talk about like what you 6 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,840 really want to say because you had to sign an NDA. I thought you 7 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,799 went to one oh one because that's how I got it is a little hot. 8 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,880 The air quality as bad as my Alexa would tell me. There's a 9 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,880 lot of traffic talk on this show. Yeah, there's a lot of like 10 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,399 and then I had to take the four oh five. People make fun of 11 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:00,640 us for being like that SNL the California, Yeah, but it's such a 12 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:04,879 it is a big part of living in LA. For sure. You care 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,079 your day to traffic, Yes, totally. And I think to your point 14 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:11,719 about like the actual like you know, metaphorical high road, Like I think 15 00:01:11,719 --> 00:01:15,640 I'm pretty anxious. I think if I'm doing something that feels in any way 16 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:22,000 like below bored, like it just like stresses me out. My parents are 17 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,319 both saints, and so I think I've just like kind of had this like 18 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,079 ingrained, like just the way that they behave in the world, even though 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,560 I don't I'm nowhere near as good a person as them, Like I do 20 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:34,719 think that's just kind of like the way I go through stuff. So I 21 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:38,719 think it's like it's kind of a it's the way we aspire to treat people 22 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,799 and also make me really scared. Yeah, I'm very much controlled by like 23 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:49,719 fear based like worries and you know, like lawyers, people with more money, 24 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:55,200 X boses coming out too scary. I feel like your podcast is probably 25 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:01,359 the wrong vehicle for you then, because I like living on the edge. 26 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,199 Let's do a medium that's based on us blabbing. Yeah, exactly, okay, 27 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:15,759 So and you are you were Tom Sandoval's assistant persistent then you were briefly 28 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:21,759 Ariana's No or you still are? So are you just interviewed? No? 29 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,520 I well that too, but I now work for something about her the sandwich 30 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,840 Shop. So you but you did interview on vander Pump Rules to be Ariana's 31 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, assistant. But did you not get the job? 32 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:43,120 No? No, no, they what happened was sandwich Shop. Yeah, 33 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:47,319 Arianna hired me to work for something about her her company with Katie and 34 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,520 I do uh like a little bit a tiny bit of social media customer relations. 35 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,039 I like, you know, communicate with with questions that people like send 36 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,039 in do you have glue and free bread? Yes we do and yeah, 37 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,719 and then I sometimes pop in the shop help out wherever I can, just 38 00:03:07,759 --> 00:03:10,319 like regular assistant duties there. So okay, so be honest. Yes, 39 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:15,240 is it a real job. It's a real like for the show. I 40 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,879 mean I think it's a real job. I think it's getting I hope I'm 41 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:22,199 getting. Yeah. I mean, like you don't know, you don't go 42 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,319 in like all the like every were every day mostly remote. Yeah, so 43 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,360 I get to it's mostly like an internet job. So so that's very nice 44 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,599 for me. Yeah, I have like it's flexible hours. I think, 45 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,680 you know, Arianna is very supportive of like my my acting and improv and 46 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:46,159 comedy stuff. So so she like they found a position for me where I 47 00:03:46,159 --> 00:03:49,759 could work remotely most of the time, which is nice. That's great. 48 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,680 Yeah, okay, Okay, and Amanda, you were Nick viall from from 49 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:59,159 The Bachelor The Vile Files. You were his You weren't his assistant, but 50 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,800 you were like were for the show. Yeah, sort of like sidekick. 51 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:06,879 Yes, Like I guess, I don't know. I would say in some 52 00:04:06,919 --> 00:04:11,520 regards by the end, like co hosts kind of thing that I got to 53 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,000 participate in interviews and like ask questions and whatnot. Yeah, I was a 54 00:04:15,039 --> 00:04:17,480 fan. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I always agreed with your takes. 55 00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:21,920 Oh thank you. No, I did. I did. And I feel 56 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:26,959 like it must have been a little bit difficult, uh, sometimes being the 57 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,480 only one or being the being the one that would push back. Yeah, 58 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,879 I think it was, like, I mean, the Bostonian me is like, 59 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:39,079 come at me, like, yeah, Boston Verse world, everybody hates 60 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,920 us, but we're still gonna win this one. So like, I think 61 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:46,160 there is a part of me that's pretty spirited and doesn't feel super intimidated like 62 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,040 I think ideologically I didn't feel in you know, like I love different viewpoints, 63 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,639 and it was cool being like, okay, like if it's fine, 64 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,920 if I'm the only one who's like saying this, I still believe it and 65 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,519 I'm happy to like engage with it. And I think we had some really 66 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:01,240 interesting discussions. I do think, you know, of course, there's like 67 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:08,399 this professional element of like I'm working, I'm having a kind of a debate 68 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:11,000 with the superior, and so I think there was a lot of like nuance 69 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,800 and how to do that effectively, And so I think I learned a ton 70 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,639 about like how do you have conversations in a way that like doesn't shut the 71 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:21,319 conversation down, but actually like like how do you actually like disagree on something 72 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,720 and continue to talk about it, Because I think so often it's like it's 73 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,079 like, well, we disagree, and it's like okay, but go from 74 00:05:28,079 --> 00:05:38,360 there. Ye yes, yeah, but but but but ye and also I 75 00:05:38,439 --> 00:05:43,680 hear you also, and then it's something that's totally diametrically opposed to what they 76 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,680 just said. Yes, yes, yes, also no, not at all 77 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:51,839 totally. Yeah. Did you have times where you pushed back and then left 78 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:55,759 and felt anxious like, oh did I push it too far? As he 79 00:05:55,959 --> 00:06:01,079 mad? Huh, I don't. I've just been in that situation a million 80 00:06:01,079 --> 00:06:05,319 times with jobs where I'm just like, oh, did I push too hard? 81 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:11,519 I would? I think, and being a woman say, it's really 82 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,040 hard as a woman to not come up, you know what I mean to 83 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,639 Yeah, I feel like a fine line that definitely is that feeling is there 84 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,920 of like, oh, I don't want to be like the bitchy one in 85 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,800 the office, so you know, yeah, Like I feel like the privilege 86 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,160 of being a man is that no one's going to really like see you as 87 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:39,079 like the bitchy person, like you're just saying your feelings, whereas like being 88 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,399 a woman, it's like, oh I hate that. Yeah, yeah, 89 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:46,040 yeah, I always be nice totally, Like yeah, And I think if 90 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:48,759 anything to like to that point, like I think there were sometimes where I 91 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,879 was like, should I have gone harder to the paint on this? Like 92 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,160 I don't think I ever really felt like I think, what if there was 93 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,279 stuff like I was I loved that job, the stuff that we talked about, 94 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,959 like I think reality TV and people in the way that they like interact 95 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:08,519 and like and and I talk about this all the time about how it's like 96 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,279 it is like these so much of it is like hilarious stupid bullshit, like 97 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,199 women in pilground costumes like calling each other like silly cancer, you know what 98 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,120 I mean, Like stuff like that. Yes, I'm so sorry. I 99 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,240 hope we are allowed to swear. I went in the heart not a tester 100 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:31,040 swear side exactly. So I think it's like you know, of course there's 101 00:07:31,079 --> 00:07:34,279 like the silly bullshit to reality TV, but like so much of it is 102 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:39,360 it's like we're talking about psychology and the way people like treat one another. 103 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,399 And so I think with that stuff because I feel really interested and opinionated on 104 00:07:44,439 --> 00:07:48,399 it. Like I don't think I ever felt super intimidated. It was more 105 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:50,800 just like, how do I do this in a way that's like approachable, 106 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:56,360 And I think like having disagreements with people or like just not even the disagreement, 107 00:07:56,399 --> 00:07:59,319 but just where you're coming from different viewpoints, like doing so in a 108 00:07:59,319 --> 00:08:01,399 way that doesn't like shut someone down and make them feel like a huge moron. 109 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,120 I think it is something that I've been thinking about a lot. You 110 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,120 also always have like respect for the other person when you're you know, countering 111 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:13,279 an opinion, Yeah, which I think is very important, totally, like 112 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:20,079 any discussion that might be a little prickly. Yeah, yeah, you were 113 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,399 you doing the show when all the Rachel Lindsay Chris Harrison stuff went down. 114 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,920 Yes, I'm interested in how that went because I know how I felt about 115 00:08:28,959 --> 00:08:33,480 it and doing a show. So I had a black co host at the 116 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:37,120 time, Angel Lakita Moore. I love and it was really interesting and she 117 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:43,240 was kind of new. It hit like all the races and accusations and the 118 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,360 the sort of come to Jesus about that stuff happened when my co host was 119 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,759 kind of new, and I was like, I'm so sorry that I brought 120 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:54,159 you into this show, like and you now have to be the black woman's 121 00:08:54,279 --> 00:08:58,320 voice, you know. But yeah, it was really interesting. Like we 122 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:05,200 played the interview like, I mean, I found it appalling and I'm wondering 123 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:11,799 how I don't remember where Nick fell on Like it was I felt, do 124 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,200 you remember what we're talking about? Was it racist? Or was it just 125 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:26,519 like narky and conness and saying her name right? What was it Rachel? 126 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:31,360 Like like he was just being such a dick. Yeah, Because I think 127 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,320 so much of it is like the like there's nuance in like I mean, 128 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,320 there's some of it where it's like, no, this is just racist, 129 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:39,600 or like the debate I think is like very one side. But then there 130 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:41,840 is also this element of like part of it is the way that you're like 131 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,799 at this woman's place of work, where she is tasked with being poised and 132 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,720 pleasant and polite, and you're speaking to her in ways that infuriate me, 133 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:54,320 and I'm a white woman who can't deal with this, like to catch people 134 00:09:54,440 --> 00:10:01,039 up really quick. Basically, uh, Matt James was the bachelor at that 135 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,279 season and Rachel kirk Canal was the one that he ended up picking. But 136 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:11,240 some stuff came out where she'd posed in some plantation party attire, and they 137 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:16,840 were all like a couple of other things, like it's nothing crazy, nothing 138 00:10:16,879 --> 00:10:22,840 over the top, Like you could argue that maybe she really didn't know better, 139 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,720 And nobody was saying Rachel Kirknell is an awful racist. We weren't canceling 140 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:31,080 Rachel Kirkkennel. I don't know why I just said me like I had anything 141 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,200 to do with it. But the point was that Rachel Lindsay was having to 142 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,039 kind of speak up for a lot of what black people felt and as the 143 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:45,759 first black bachelorette, and she was being asked about it. And Rachel basically 144 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:48,879 was having an interview with Chris Harrison, who, when all this stuff came 145 00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:54,919 out, was kind of talked and the problem wasn't even having a nuanced conversation 146 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,159 about it. It was that he was not interested in having a nuanced conversation 147 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,840 and he was basically being a like accusing her of not showing Rachel Kirkkenel any 148 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,720 grace because you know, Rachel was like, yeah, it sucks. It 149 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:09,440 was not a good look. And he was like was it not a good 150 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,200 look? And now seven or to yeah, and She's like, it's just 151 00:11:13,399 --> 00:11:18,080 never a good look. What's my? What's my? What do I what 152 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,799 would I be at the plantation party? Like I would be the slave basically, 153 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,159 And then Chris Harrison just was not hearing it, shut her down, 154 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,879 didn't listen to her, and and Rachel Lindsey was so calm and collected and 155 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,559 did not really argue back with him, and then they ended the interview, 156 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,840 and I think she felt shitty, and apparently Chris Harrison called her or texted 157 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,120 her right after and was like, I thought that one great. Ra was 158 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,600 like okay, hold on, you'll see yeah, And people went nuts. 159 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,720 But I'm so wondering, like that was a huge blow up. And then 160 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:56,759 Chris Harrison lost his job and I'm sure Nick had some loyalty also to Chris, 161 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,919 ha like how did he handle it? And how did you feel? 162 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,279 Well? I think it's it's interesting because The Bachelor is a show. I 163 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,080 think when you see the way that it's just like so unifying of like how 164 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,600 wide the demographic is where it's like you have the southern girlies who are probably 165 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:18,159 watching this being like fuck I went to a plantation party. I went my 166 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,559 sister, did whoever else or like, I don't know, and I think 167 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,720 to the issue at the core of it, that was an area where I 168 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:30,480 was like, even though I'm very adamantly like pro Rachel Lindsay and her entire 169 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:35,759 outlook on it, like I do wonder the degree to which I can condemn 170 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:43,039 Rachel kirkconel like from a place of I was really protected from that stuff. 171 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,480 I grew up in Boston. I had like in a really progressive family, 172 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,799 Like I was never going to be at that party. So it's like there 173 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,559 there definitely was an element of like I was very interested in, like how 174 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:56,360 do we have a conversation about like for people who aren't educated And we can 175 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:58,279 all say it's so fucked up and wrong that they're not educated, but the 176 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:01,799 situation is people aren't educated, So like how do we address that, Like 177 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:05,840 I do you know, there were some areas where it was just like a 178 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:09,440 very nuanced thing and you're talking to the span base where there's like such fervor 179 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:16,279 on both sides kind of politically and socially. And so I think I something 180 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,440 that I learned a lot at the Vile Files that I would not have done 181 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,200 is like I think if I were to do a show would be I'm sure 182 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,320 people would say it was political because of the way that I would like talk 183 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,799 about stuff, my attitudes or takes on things. And I think this a 184 00:13:31,879 --> 00:13:35,879 warning. People get real mad. They get real mad. They got real 185 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,440 mad. Yeah, they go shut up. I don't listen to this show 186 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,120 to hear about your politics. Right, It's interesting, It's so interesting. 187 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,559 So much politics is like woven into reality TV? I agree, How how 188 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,360 can you not talk about it? So it's into reality TV into our own 189 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,159 families, Like, you know, there are things that we need to talk 190 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:01,080 about. Did other people deem as political that are about our lives? Yes, 191 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:05,279 so exactly and a reflection of current times, you know, so we 192 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,960 need to talk about it, yes, And I think that's I think the 193 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,120 way a lot of people on maybe like a different kind of political leaning than 194 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,919 myself feel, or like a sentiment that I hear is like, well, 195 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,840 can't we just have pure entertainment. Can't we just have fluff, Like, 196 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,399 can't this not be related to politics? And it's like no, because there's 197 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,240 people are dealing with these deeply ingrained systems, and these systems reach to these 198 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:28,720 areas. So that's why we're talking about it. Now. I'm not saying 199 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,480 you're never allowed to have fun and like everything needs to be political, but 200 00:14:33,559 --> 00:14:37,399 like it's just a part of this. It's irrelevant. I think it's interesting. 201 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:41,320 I think I want to hear, like I would tune even though I'm 202 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,879 watching a stupid show like The Bachelor, Like I would tune into you know, 203 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,759 Nick's podcast to hear his take on not not to condemn Rachel Kirkanell at 204 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:52,559 all, but to hear about like, but what did you think about that 205 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:58,600 interview? Like to me, the problem was Chris Harrison interviewing Rachel. Yes, 206 00:14:58,799 --> 00:15:03,559 its a huge issue, Yeah, exactly. Don't empathize with the racist 207 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:09,279 ideals, Like you can't empathize with like a person who's you know, naive 208 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:13,720 and does and then realizes, oh what I did was racist. Just call 209 00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,320 it racist, Like just say, hey, that was really shitty, like 210 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:20,639 you know, and then allow the bipop woman to speak, you know, 211 00:15:20,919 --> 00:15:26,720 listen to her instead of being like Adam, I mean difficult, Yeah, 212 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:28,840 like is the undertone of that So yeah, I think it. But then 213 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,519 so as much as like for me, I'm like okay, like I yeah, 214 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:35,159 I like so agree with that, and like there's ways that I would 215 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,120 dicuss it that would probably feel political. I did see kind of firsthand, 216 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,279 like, oh, it's interesting how I think that, Like Vile Files had 217 00:15:43,919 --> 00:15:50,320 listeners across, like from all over the political spectrum, and to me, 218 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:54,200 there is there's something interesting about being able to conduct a show in a way 219 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,559 where you're still getting that spread as opposed to echo chambers. And like, 220 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,639 I don't have an answer on like, you know, if it's to what 221 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,159 extent you're compromising ideals and values by trying to kind of speak in a way 222 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:11,360 that doesn't ostracize every like certain groups of people. But I do think there 223 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,879 it is interesting to think about, like, oh, okay, well, 224 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,799 if you're having a conversation in a way that keeps both sides engaged, like 225 00:16:18,279 --> 00:16:22,240 yeah, yeah, that just interested me. I don't think I'm not like, 226 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,639 oh, that's the only the best way to do it, because I 227 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,799 do think I'm just inherently maybe a little bit more. There's certain stuff where 228 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:30,240 I'm like, I don't think I can entertain this and be like, well, 229 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:33,679 both have good points. Yeah, I don't think both have good points 230 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,519 for certain issues. But like it is, I don't know there. I 231 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,840 do think there is value in spaces where at least you have people who disagree 232 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:45,799 who are still consuming the same stuff as opposed to these like terrifying Facebook group 233 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,360 echo chambers. Yeah. Well, and also you're always going to offend somebody. 234 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,840 Yeah, like your opinion. Yeah, You're always going to have somebody 235 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,519 that's like you shouldn't be having an opinion about this because you don't know. 236 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,600 And it's like, no matter what it is about, Like it could be 237 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,359 about your opinion about your friends, your family, your politics, whatever, 238 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,680 everybody's gonna have an opinion. And like if you I don't know, I 239 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,200 always if we do a podcast, you guys do a podcast, the best 240 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,319 thing is just to just ignore. I know it's hard, especially you guys 241 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:21,400 are young, but like I try try not to read all that negative comments, 242 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,799 yeah, because then it's gonna it's gonna get to your head and then 243 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:29,839 it'll like affect your how you you don't conduct yourself I'm so bad about that 244 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:36,759 though, because I like have this like Bambi naive like idea that obviously some 245 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:41,799 people are like miserable hags like gender neutral. In fact, a lot of 246 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:45,599 the hags are man out there, but like some people are just like saying 247 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,000 shit. But I also like sometimes I read comments that are negative that like 248 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:52,599 I find thought provoking, and like, you know, especially in the Vile 249 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,759 File, some of the negative comments, it's like, well, you know, 250 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,160 maybe I did say stuff and it didn't make the final clout of an 251 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,599 episode, Like maybe you know, this criticism doesn't feel in hirely fair, 252 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,119 but like sometimes it's like I feel like feedback is so important. I think 253 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,559 both of us coming from an improv background, like you can tell when the 254 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:08,920 audience is with you, and so I think even though I know that it 255 00:18:10,079 --> 00:18:14,279 is like probably damaging to like your creativity, there's also a part of me 256 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:18,400 that's like, but of course I want to incorporate how others are thinking about 257 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,279 this, and like like just be humble enough to evolve. That's a fine 258 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,839 line to yeah, sure, yeah, but I think that's I'm sure I'm 259 00:18:26,839 --> 00:18:29,519 gonna read one column that's gonna be like I'm out I can't do this anymore. 260 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,720 This is about this every day for the next ten years. Like guys, 261 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,680 you guys are I want to ask you guys about improv But we got 262 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,200 to take a quick break. Okay, we'll come back. I feel like 263 00:18:41,279 --> 00:18:45,079 Anne was has been trying to say something for a while. Oh no, 264 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,480 I was just gonna say earlier. Let's say if I can remember what I 265 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,960 was gonna say. But then the next Bachelorette is going to be an Asian 266 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,720 American woman. It's the first Asian American woman on the Bachelorette. Yes, 267 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,359 a bechlorrette. And how could that not be political, you know what I 268 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,559 mean? Like and like for her, it's probably a lot of pressure representing, 269 00:19:10,759 --> 00:19:14,960 you know, to this audience every Asian American woman, like single, 270 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,440 trying to find marriage, and it's like incorporating. You know, you're I 271 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:25,079 come from uh you know, my dad's white, my mom's Asian, and 272 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:30,359 it's like interracial couples. It's there's when you meet the parents, it's gonna 273 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:34,799 be a new experience to you know, the American audience who's not used to 274 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:41,119 interracial uh coupling in marriages. So it's I mean like it's gonna be part 275 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,240 of the discussion no matter what, you know. So I have a question 276 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:49,640 for you regarding that. Yeah, because my co host on my show Rose 277 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,200 Pricks, we just did a cast roast we call it. We went through 278 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,599 all of her men that she had so far, and they only gave her 279 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:02,920 one Asian guy. And I thought that was just weird because it's like, 280 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,279 Okay, I'm not saying that that she has to be with an Asian guy, 281 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,400 but if she's the first Asian bachelorette, wouldn't you isn't it weird to 282 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,559 be like, but we're not really into Asian guys, Like wet, here's 283 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:19,240 one yeah, like a one token. Yeah, you think it would be 284 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:26,279 normal that you'd have a few, right, Like there's the guys. Yeah, 285 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,880 I'm saying it's so it was. It was so weird to me and 286 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,720 my co host. And like, statistically on dating apps, Asian men and 287 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:37,680 black women are like the least swiped on groups like these are the people who 288 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,000 are most like discarded by the population as whole as a whole, And I 289 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,839 think there's like, you know, I'm sure like many people who are like 290 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,640 better educated or who are Asian men who could speak to this experience so much 291 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,559 more than me. But I do think it's like, yeah, you see 292 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,440 these like parallels of society where it's like, oh, we're like, dude, 293 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,240 there's some fucking hot Asian guys. You know. It's it's pretty crazy 294 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,599 that they couldn't like like how many people apply for the show, and like 295 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:11,200 they still didn't have a cast and like, I don't know, Yeah, 296 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,759 there's so many Asian cultures and countries too, it's like you can't just have 297 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:22,960 one token totally exactly. Yeah, yes, yeah, that is so interesting. 298 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:26,240 I noticed that I was watching Perfect Match. Do you guys watch Perfect 299 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:30,759 Match? I haven't watched. I just binge two seasons. I have young 300 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:34,880 kids are very into that kind of thing. But I did notice a thing 301 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,240 with the black women getting kicked out first, like they were not the hot 302 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,759 commodity, and I was like, this is so sad. And it's almost 303 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:47,559 every time, almost every time, the black woman is the one who ends 304 00:21:47,599 --> 00:21:49,960 up eliminated, and I was like, this is uncomfortable to watch. Yeah, 305 00:21:51,279 --> 00:21:53,319 it's so like once you see it, you can't unsee it. I 306 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,039 think that's why, like sometimes there's just like criticism I think from the right, 307 00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:02,559 like this conspiracy you were still almost like you're like you're being a conspiracy 308 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:06,000 theorist and it's like no, literally watch the show. Like even like this 309 00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:10,440 most recent season of the Bachelor, I felt like Rachel, the woman of 310 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:14,599 color who made it the furthest like I just felt like her love story was 311 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,400 less fleshed out. Like I think this like systemic. Even if there are 312 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,839 women of color who make it further on in the show, they're systemically under 313 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,759 like Princess affected and like they they just get less confessionals in talking and yeah, 314 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,920 it's like it's across all reality TV shows, Like when you just look 315 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,160 for it, you see it. It's not that hard. I haven't seen 316 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:41,160 a white lead pick a black uh contestant basically, I mean that hasn't I 317 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:49,119 haven't seen that. I've seen the black lead well, Charity Pig Doton Dotton 318 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:56,160 yeah, Dotton, Yeah, but she over Joey, which was but still 319 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,839 that's the reverse. That's the black male. Do you know what I'm saying. 320 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,119 You don't really see the white guy. You see sometimes the black women 321 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,359 get far, but like you said, they're not picked. Yeah, has 322 00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:14,480 happened. And I remember the first time, like because there was conversations about 323 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,720 about this, like, you know, amongst the fans, but the first 324 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,680 time it was mentioned on the show, I was like, yes, let's 325 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,680 talk about it, like finally, like this needs to be brought up, 326 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,599 and I was, Yeah, I was glad that became part of the conversation. 327 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:30,359 Yeah. Yeah, but people wouldn't want to talk about it. People 328 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,839 don't want to talk about it. Yeah yeah, damn, So tell us 329 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,920 about how you guys met, right, Yeah, I wanted to know about 330 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:41,240 Yeah, how did you guys meet? And also about your Are you guys 331 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:48,039 both in improv? Yeah? We were women in improv probably that's how we 332 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,319 met. Yeah, really Protestan's brigade, right yeah, yeah, okay, 333 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,000 and then I actually I've performed there a few times. I have never paid 334 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,440 for the UCB classes. Oh you haven't. Yeah, I paid for IO 335 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:03,079 in Chicago and loved it. But it's just six hundred dollars, you know. 336 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,319 And then YouTube five of them and it's like, for maybe he'll be 337 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,240 like one of the three hundred graduating people who gets on a tu like which 338 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,720 which Anne was so like, power to her, right, and that's amazing. 339 00:24:15,759 --> 00:24:18,680 But yeah, we actually met through like more of the people who like 340 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,640 I think, like UCB has become this pipeline for like people who are like 341 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:25,119 I would like to be on Saturday Night Live and write for the Simpsons, 342 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,440 And so it's become like so much more like I think, like a pipe 343 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,519 industry pipeline as opposed like a weird little freaky creative community. And I think 344 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,839 as a result there now there's new weird, little freaky creative improv communities. 345 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:40,319 And I like met through one of those, but then did actually we did 346 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,519 do shows together through that at UCB, Yes, And then that's how we 347 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,039 became closer and closer. It was like doing shows. We'll get cast in 348 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:51,680 the same shows together and we'll be like, oh, I love you yeah, 349 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,559 And then you started talking and realize that you both are assistants, yeah, 350 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,000 support staff in the reality TV world. It's just like, oh damn, 351 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:06,119 Like we both have this like real, like up close view of what 352 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,759 reality to me is like for the it's subjects. And it was so interesting 353 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,519 and complicated, and it was so cool to find someone who they got it 354 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:19,279 immediately and who like aired on the side of compassion, like yeah, yeah, 355 00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:25,440 it's important. And we lived across the street from each other. Oh 356 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,640 wow, But so, Amanda, you're from Boston and where are you from 357 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,039 Tokyo? Rarely? Ye, Oh my gosh, going to Tokyo in a 358 00:25:36,039 --> 00:25:37,759 couple of weeks. Oh my gosh. That's the very second time he's going. 359 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,720 Do you know what part of Tokyo he's going, He's I don't know. 360 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,039 Okay, it's a huge city. I know there's all these different what 361 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:53,400 do they call him regions? Yeah, but not they're called something else, 362 00:25:53,960 --> 00:26:00,880 but anyway, start with a K. I know that it would be anything. 363 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,960 But yeah, so you grew up there, then I did. When 364 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,440 did you come here? I came here when I was eighteen? Oh really? 365 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:12,599 Yeah? But I but my dad's American. He was a diplomat for 366 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,839 the US Embassy, so he was he worked at the US embasc in Japan. 367 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:25,519 And my mom's Japanese and so I had like a very both cultures involved 368 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:27,480 in my how I grew up, Like, I went to an American school 369 00:26:27,559 --> 00:26:33,640 in Japan. But you know, there's it's definitely like Japanese American communities. 370 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,480 It was Japanese your first language though pretty much, well I think both was 371 00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,640 my first language, but definitely, like you know, like my dad was 372 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,200 still in the Navy when I was born, so you know, he would 373 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,599 he would go out travel for a couple of weeks and come back. And 374 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,519 then I think when I was like one or two years old, he was 375 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,359 like, you know what, I want to stay. I want to be 376 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,240 closer to my family. So okay, Yeah. So then, so did 377 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,640 you just decide to move here on your own when you were eighteen? No, 378 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,519 Well, because I have because of my dad, I have like a 379 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:11,720 US citizenship, and my parents pretty much like raised me to have a US 380 00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:17,599 college education, Like they really wanted me to have my college education in America 381 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,920 and that's kind of why I went to an American school in Japan. Yeah, 382 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,039 so I feel like, I don't know. I just was like, 383 00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,240 yeah, my parents plan this for me. I guess this is what I'm 384 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:32,920 doing. Yeah. And then, so how did you get hired on for 385 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,799 Tom? Like, how did that go down? Was it like TV interview, 386 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,400 real interview? Tell us the story. Yeah, I was working at 387 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,079 the Greek Theater and because I, you know, would do acting and you 388 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:51,440 know, shoot commercials and stuff and small TV roles, and so I had 389 00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,440 enough confidence after booking a few things where I needed a job where I could 390 00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:59,440 like audition during the day and then work at night, or like if I 391 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,279 had a show at UC Beer wherever, I could like take that day off. 392 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,559 So I worked at the Greek Theater, which was great. I loved 393 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:12,720 working there, but then COVID happened and then all concert venues shut down, 394 00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:19,519 so I really needed a job, and I posted on Facebook like, Hey, 395 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,400 these are the things that I've been an assistant. I've done this and 396 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,279 that. If you know of any opportunities, let me know. A mutual 397 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:32,559 friend of me and Ariana's comedian was like, oh, I actually do know 398 00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:36,240 someone who needs a personal assistant, and I was like great, So I 399 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:41,839 applied and one phone interview later, I got the job. COVID. Yeah 400 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,519 yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel like you immediately passed the vibe check. 401 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:51,119 You're like, oh, yeah, she's a sweetheart also being vouched for, 402 00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:56,279 Like the mutual friend is like, you know knows me very well, 403 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,119 knows Ariana very well. So I was like, oh, this this works 404 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,960 out. So did you know right away that you it would involve being on 405 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:06,799 the show. No, no, yeah, no, The intention was for 406 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:11,359 me to not at all be on the show, and that's how Yeah, 407 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:18,480 that's how I was like great at the time, I was very like afraid 408 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:25,880 of the concept of reality. Like I loved watching it, but you know, 409 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,599 if you like fart and step and Pooh or whatever, it's every you're 410 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:34,440 gonna be the Pooh girl for the rest of your life. Like there's that. 411 00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:38,400 It's stuck in my head, you know. So, and you know 412 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,519 your boss is the star, like that's that's who you're working for. It 413 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:49,559 wasn't until the scandal and everything that happened where it kind of became this odd 414 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:56,440 necessity to have someone for him to like talk to, because I think none 415 00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,599 of the cast members really wanted to be the sound board for his feelings. 416 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,960 So it just kind of made things a little easier to have his assistant there. 417 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,720 It's like a built in person he could it makes sense for him to 418 00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,000 talk about his feelings too. So did production come to you and say, 419 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:15,519 hey, we want to shoot this scene with you and Tom, like Tom 420 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,920 talking to you about what's going on? Yeah, plus plus the go between 421 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,200 element, I think the audience was really curious about and they want to know 422 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:29,440 how that worked. So it was like with that and the you know, 423 00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:34,839 and the the emotional being the emotional soundboard. It they yeah, that's kind 424 00:30:34,839 --> 00:30:38,680 of why, and it made enough sense where I was like, oh, 425 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:42,119 I'll probably just do like one thing. You know, no one's gonna know, 426 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,200 because like I watched, like I'm watching Real Housewives in New York right 427 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,480 now, and and Bethany's assistant, you know, pops in. But it's 428 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,519 it's definitely like Bethany's assistant just like sitting in front of the computer and then 429 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,279 Bethany talking about like, oh this happened, and she's like, wow, 430 00:30:56,319 --> 00:31:00,000 that's crazy. So I thought I was just gonna be there going that's bananas. 431 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:03,400 Are you getting her, by the way on your show? I would 432 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:11,599 love to if you're listening, any assistance please reach out to Yeah. Yeah, 433 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,319 so that's what you thought it would be. And then your role got 434 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,599 bigger. Yeah yeah yeah, I mean you're pretty much beloved at this Oh 435 00:31:17,759 --> 00:31:22,319 thank you? Oh my god? Do you think I hope? So yeah 436 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,359 in the audience, so so yeah, it's like, you know, big, 437 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,799 like, oh what a cool club? Like I love I like read 438 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:36,519 all the I follow all the Instagram accounts like Problem Investigator and Reality and all 439 00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:40,839 of them, and I love them so like kind of being in the midd 440 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,799 Like, now a voice in the club is like very exciting to me. 441 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,279 That's cute. So tell us, like what you can I know, I 442 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,119 know you signed an NDA, but like when things were going down with Tom 443 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,279 and like towards the end this last season, what was he really getting annoyed 444 00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:02,519 that you were talking to Ariana? Like, I mean they showed some kind 445 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:07,680 of tension. Yeah, you know, there's definitely I can say there's definitely 446 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:14,319 there was definitely tension that NDA won't let me go into any specific right, 447 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:19,640 but yeah, what what you see on the show was definitely definitely there. 448 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:22,920 Yeah, form I feel like as a viewer, so like just kind of 449 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,839 speaking from like everything lawyers, from what has been aired on national television, 450 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,359 I think you could kind of see, like I think, to Tom this 451 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,559 like it seemed his perception was very much like how could this be done to 452 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:43,759 me? Like yet another person raging against me in this like horrible pylon of 453 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480 everybody hating me kind of thing. Like it seems like for him it was 454 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:51,240 just very much like it was just a huge bummer and he felt like I 455 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,440 think he was like very much viewing it through the eyes of like why would 456 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,319 an assistant want to spite me like that. But I think it's like when 457 00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:00,039 you see like Anne in her interview with Arianna, she's like like you can 458 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:02,319 just see they get along really well, and she's like, I would love 459 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:06,559 to work for like a female focused business. I think when you see something 460 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,640 about her like it's yes, it is like a I think a lot of 461 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,039 the attention comes from the fact that's by these like reality stories, but it's 462 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,119 an awesome business idea, like sandwiches have, like like it's so fun to 463 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,680 be like let's create this like feminine flair element to it, Like it's just 464 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,720 a good business plan. They make good food, and like, I think 465 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,799 it's so valid for Anne to be like as someone who's the go between between 466 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,200 these two people, like you know, there's just one that I connect with 467 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,839 more in it. It makes a lot of sense when you're in in any 468 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,759 other industry, like if you have a client who you really connect with, 469 00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,920 it's not that weird to them eventually like maybe pursue a business venture with them 470 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,400 down the line, And so I think, yeah, as a well, 471 00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:45,240 I think in the show is framed as this like big personal betrayal, but 472 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160 I think when you like are like, no, but this is Anne's real 473 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,119 life, this is her career, this is her job. Clearly it was 474 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,799 a really intense job and there was an opportunity that was just a better fit. 475 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,759 Like yeah, working for like a female like you know, it celebrates 476 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:07,920 women and and it takes uh you know, like I know the how do 477 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:14,079 I say this? Like the sandwich industry, like it is like a male 478 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:20,000 kind of driven world, you know where it's like that sells Jersey give me 479 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:24,039 John's Like yeah, like where you're like that there is a point to this, 480 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,440 like yeah, it's maybe non binary, but it's like it's a male 481 00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:35,559 dominated industry. Yeah, and that's true, guys. Why can't it be 482 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,440 Jersey Michelle? You know, ladies love a sandwich. Yeah, take It's 483 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,559 an interesting point of view. And and to use that as a means to 484 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:52,679 celebrate femininity sounds amazing to me. And you know, just having a shop 485 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,440 a place where it's like it feels safe to just be as as feminine as 486 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,840 you want, you know, or as non feminine as you want. Like 487 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,480 I think it's a wonderful thing. Like food in my culture, like food 488 00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:12,880 is a way of showing love and you know, and and getting together and 489 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,320 so you know, showing love to women and having a place where we could 490 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:22,039 always get together no matter what. It's like, that's all sassy. Besides 491 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:23,559 that, I think Tom seemed like a bad person to work for. I 492 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:28,639 mean, I'm just saying that you're saying, he's saying that. From watching 493 00:35:28,679 --> 00:35:30,639 the show, I was like, that just seems like this, just anything 494 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:35,679 seems like a better deal than like picking up after Tom Sanderval and listening to 495 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,880 him wine it could be a victim. I can say it got rough towards 496 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,880 the end after the scandal dropped. It was definitely a rough environment. Yeah, 497 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,119 emotionally intense well yeah, I bet, I bet? Might I say 498 00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:53,079 toxic? Well, and especially like all the the news surrounding it. I 499 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,360 mean, my god, it's Amazon CNN scrawl, you know at the bottom, 500 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,199 like everybody was talking about it. I also, you know, I 501 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:07,000 do have a condition. I was diagnosed with CPTSD PTSD and you know, 502 00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:15,480 being in a very stressful work environment like that isn't conducive to my mental health. 503 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,760 So definitely like the opportunity to work for not just like another job where 504 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,000 you know, I don't have to like worry about my disorder, but also 505 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,719 like something that I'm really interested in. Uh, it just seemed like the 506 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,400 right way to go for you. Thank you. Let's take another quick break. 507 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:42,039 We'll be right back. Thank you. We're back. Yeah, So 508 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,599 tell us more about the podcast. So you're interviewing like assistance and are they 509 00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,159 all people who have also signed an NDA, Like how do you get around? 510 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,800 So you're just talking about like assistant life. Tell us more about the 511 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,559 vibe of the show. Yeahs of people who signed NDAs and people who haven't 512 00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:07,000 signed NDAs. So that's really fun. You know. I think I think 513 00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:12,760 we both know what it's like to have signed an NDA and you know, 514 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,079 talk about things without talking about things. So I feel like people who have 515 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:22,480 signed an NDA are comfortable when coming on the show, and we make make 516 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,920 sure that they know that anything that they don't want to say, anything that 517 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:30,280 they want cut out, is cut out. Like they they are the they 518 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,639 get to steer the ship, right. Yeah. I want to say that 519 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,760 what I love about your show, because I listened to many episodes, was 520 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,440 that you guys, even though you signed an NDA, you're very like open 521 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,480 with your opinions. None of it is like, well I can't I can't 522 00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:50,039 even talk about that, because you were talking about breaking down the episodes of 523 00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,960 vander Pump and it was really fun. It was like listening to like Nick 524 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:58,679 breakdown episodes of The Bachelor, Like I felt like we were getting some inside 525 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,440 base all stuff. But still like you but and funny. You guys are 526 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,679 very funny and personable. But it was like fun to listen to to get 527 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,480 that your angle on what you're seeing on the show. So they don't hold 528 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:14,679 back, right, no, I know. And then and you guys had 529 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,639 interesting guests too, Like is it hard getting some of these people to come 530 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,199 on the show. Do they get intimidated about talking about their jobs and stuff? 531 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,199 Yeah? I think especially people like I feel a lot more comfortable talking 532 00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:30,000 about like past roles than like present roles. And I think because it's an 533 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:35,400 industry that's so reputation based, and like I think, for so much of 534 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,440 your career, until you have your own like cultural capital, star power, 535 00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,599 whatever, it is like you're just you're trying to find people who will continue 536 00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:45,119 to vouch for you and continue to employ you. So I get that it's 537 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,639 like a very it can feel really vulnerable, even if like you're not gonna 538 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:52,199 say anything negative. I do think there's a way where like assistance supports stuff, 539 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,800 like anybody who works with high profile people, like a big part of 540 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,599 the role is trust and being like I'm not gonna spill your shit on the 541 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,119 internet, like I'm going to resp your privacy, And so I think doing 542 00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:05,360 the show in a way that like upholds that under the bargain where it's like, 543 00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:07,760 of course, we don't want to get sued. I also like it 544 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,039 would feel really morally wrong to be like airing stuff that people like that people 545 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:15,159 trust us with, even if it was like some secret thing that was kind 546 00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:21,239 of unenforceable, like that would feel shitty. Conversely, I think it's crazy 547 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,039 no one's done this before because Hollywood assistant supports staff like oh you know the 548 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:29,199 fucking tea. Yeah, Like, and it's so interesting, like just like 549 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,559 when I first moved out here and my first roommate here was an assistant at 550 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:37,000 one of the major agencies here and just like hearing about her day and just 551 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,239 like the culture there, and like like the way various celebrities emails and also 552 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,239 just like casting director politics, like just understanding how it all works is so 553 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:51,280 interesting and it's insane that nobody has like passed the mic to assistance before this, 554 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,400 because it's like, you know, it's like when we see news stories, 555 00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:57,280 like of course some of it is like just like the pop culture fan 556 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,800 reactions, but some of it is like, oh my god, like their 557 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,639 PRT must have done X y Z like their assistance. Like you just kind 558 00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:06,519 of like, once you know how things work a little bit more, it's 559 00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:09,320 like it's just like you interpret it differently, And so I think the premise 560 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,440 was being like, oh, other people who have like kind of seen the 561 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,039 way this machine operates, Like it's not even about spilling the secrets about their's 562 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:21,719 first hand experience. It's about like the insights they would apply to any new 563 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,599 situations, right, having just understood this system better. Yes, I don't 564 00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:29,280 know why this metaphor popped up the plan. It's gonna be bizarre, so 565 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,679 just try to follow along. Maybe you might have to cut this out because 566 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:36,920 it doesn't make any sense. But like I remember going to what is it 567 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,400 like the MGM studios when I was a kid, like the Disney tour and 568 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,800 seeing the Golden Girls House and being like, oh my god, it's the 569 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,679 Golden Girls House. And then you realize that behind the house is just a 570 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,360 propped up wall, Like it's just like beams and there's no house, there's 571 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,599 no living room. You're just seeing like a facade. And assistants like get 572 00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:04,679 to see behind that and like how what is real and what's not? And 573 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,360 I think that's like very important. Plus on top of that, personal assisting 574 00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:13,719 it's a bizarre job if you think about it, Like I remember when I 575 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,559 first came to LA and being like that's a job, Like you just hang 576 00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:22,079 out with like a celebrity and get their groceries and stuff like that's bananas. 577 00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:25,159 Yeah, it's like you do like the fifty percent of life that like nobody 578 00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:29,239 wants to fucking do, Like nobody wants to answer this emails, nobody wants 579 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,639 to register their car at the DMV, Like nobody wants to do that. 580 00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:35,400 And so it's like and for someone who's incredibly busy and in a financial position 581 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,159 where they can have someone else do it, they're gonna do that. Yeah, 582 00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:42,199 And then in all of these like intimate everyday moments of life, you 583 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,480 get such an insight into people's world. Yeah. Oh yeah, I had 584 00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:53,199 a friend that was a personal assistant to a let's just say it's a house 585 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,000 one of the housewives throughout all the years, there's a billion of them. 586 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:01,679 Yeah, but one of the housewives. How at first she started as the 587 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,880 assistant to the wife, but then they just needed she just kind of migrated 588 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,480 to the husband, and then they ended up getting a divorce. But she 589 00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,559 would find herself being like because she was cute and attractive, like she like 590 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:21,280 she'd have to go meet him across town to drop him off stuff, and 591 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,719 then or he doesn't drive anywhere, so she would have to drive him to 592 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,480 the restaurant and to the bar. And then it's like she's like, but 593 00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,639 I don't want like I don't want to end up on reality tea, you 594 00:42:30,679 --> 00:42:34,119 know, and and be like, oh, you know this is so and 595 00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:37,519 So's dating his new hot you know, cause it was like so she was 596 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:40,440 like I hated that part of it. But but yet, you know, 597 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:44,679 it was there was a rewarding side because she got to know the kids and 598 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,079 then she was like really close with the family and stuff like that. But 599 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,119 then there's just like, you know, it's just it's it's a it's a 600 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,800 crazy job. Yeah, it's a crazy Has there been anything not like from 601 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,639 kind of doing the podcast and just like generally like putting work in the media 602 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,760 and being creative people and in like, what were some of the biggest like 603 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:07,000 revelations that you had once you like entered the fray of like, Oh, 604 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:10,400 people really don't understand that this is a reality of how things work like in 605 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:19,920 showbiz. Hmm, well, I don't know. I mean, I think 606 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:28,199 people in show business are bigger assholes than anybody really knows. And we've talked 607 00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:30,519 about this a lot, where I just think that people behind the scenes, 608 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,400 when people get famous or get power, they tend it tends to go to 609 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,880 their head and they tend to feel like they can treat people anyway they want. 610 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,000 And then Ellen a lot of that. Yes, we talked about this 611 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:50,760 a lot. I knew somebody who worked on Ellen's show. I was very 612 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,599 very close to somebody and many years before anybody knew that Ellen was impossible to 613 00:43:55,639 --> 00:44:00,280 deal with. Oh my, I knew several people that worked on the show 614 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,960 and heard horrendous stories and it was always crazy to me and Lynette and would 615 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,880 talk about it on the show. I think we would do patriots about it, 616 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,280 where I was like, Okay, you're not gonna believe this. Thing 617 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:15,679 that I heard because she did. One of them was she it was during 618 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:22,800 the primary. It was when Obama was running against Hillary in the primary to 619 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,119 be there eight, No, it was it was was a two thousand and 620 00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:30,800 eight mm yeah, oh yes, yes, two thousand and eight. And 621 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,039 they're supposed to get equal time. And Ellen basically had Hillary on, and 622 00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:40,079 then when she had Obama on, she made him wait. She completely was 623 00:44:40,119 --> 00:44:44,639 a diva about it. He was at a national convention. He was trying 624 00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:46,599 to make it work. He was like, no problem, I will juggle 625 00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,719 my schedule. Because she was like, no, you can only do it 626 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,239 at this time, and I will not wait. So he was like okay, 627 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,559 So he figured it out. He had all these like ten thousand people 628 00:44:55,639 --> 00:45:00,480 waiting while he was supposed to be appearing like over you know, zoom however 629 00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:07,280 remotely on the show. And then she on purpose just made them wait. 630 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,079 She was just like she started going like does the audience have any questions? 631 00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,639 And my friend was like appalled. She was like it was the weirdest, 632 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,360 awful, awkward thing, and she was doing it on purpose and using her 633 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,800 power anyway. And she for real had a thing where like you can't make 634 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,159 eye contact with her a lot of the things that came out later Obamba, 635 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,320 by the way, imagine how she must treat that, you know, the 636 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,079 other just people that work since writer's pa. Yes, I mean like really 637 00:45:34,119 --> 00:45:37,440 really really awful and just fired people constantly that just pissed her out, Like 638 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:42,920 was just like I want her out. Wouldn't fired friends, like people that 639 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,719 had worked for her for a long time, would would tell somebody else to 640 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,079 go fire them and then be like had they react? Like she was a 641 00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:54,119 nightmare and when and I would hear this stuff and be like but nobody but 642 00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:59,400 everybody had signed like no one was allowed to say anything, So I was 643 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,280 hearing it all all on the d L. But when finally somebody was brave 644 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,679 enough to come out, it was like, yeah, of course we've all 645 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,440 known this for years. I think that would be the thing that Lynette my 646 00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:15,559 are privy to people telling us behind the scenes, like how awful some people 647 00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,320 are and no one's allowed to know. Oh my gosh. Yeah, there's 648 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:23,119 so many people like just doing comedy for so long of like this like just 649 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:29,360 underground whispers of like don't don't be alone in a room with this person, 650 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,599 don't you know? I wouldn't work with that guy, like so much of 651 00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:39,039 it, and it is shocking when and it's it's weird because it's like it's 652 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:44,199 become common knowledge and then when it does come out, like you're expecting it, 653 00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:45,559 it has to come out at some point, and then when it finally 654 00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:50,280 does, you're like, oh my god, Like that's that's also shocking that 655 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,039 someone was like brave enough to finally say something. And we talk about the 656 00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:59,559 Louis c Case stuff was we knew about that I was a comedian. We 657 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:05,360 knew that the worst kept secret and then first kept the other thing too. 658 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,199 Is like when we were coming Stephanie and I were coming up in the TV 659 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,760 world and all that, there was no social media, Twitter, Instagram, 660 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,719 note, nothing, no even iPhones really and you know, so it was 661 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:22,320 very easy for people to get away with this behavior. And now it's like 662 00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,000 you get more and more people are getting more and more brave, you know, 663 00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:29,760 with the me too and all that plus social media and just you know, 664 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,639 it's so it's hopefully, I don't know, getting a little better, 665 00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:37,079 but I don't know. Yeah, I really hope. There's always going to 666 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:38,679 be assholes. There's always going to be as this is why you have to 667 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:44,119 sign NDA's though we talk about that all the time. People would behave better 668 00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:49,920 they wouldn't need everybody to sign Anna exactly. Like started out as this idea 669 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,039 to protect like copy right, you know, like your intellectual property. Yes, 670 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:59,719 yes, thank you, and and then like you know, as all 671 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,880 good things are ruined by bad people, like it became this like tool to 672 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,079 protect bad behavior, which shouldn't that shouldn't be how that shouldn't be the norm. 673 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:13,519 Yeah, yeah, and you also and like to that point, like 674 00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:17,159 it's like the goddamn grifter is like cause you know, you know, there 675 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:22,079 is one percent of the population that as assistants like maybe would do really egregious 676 00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,679 violations of privacy and trust and that would suck. And like so it's like 677 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:30,239 you, on one hand, you do see how celebrities could get done really 678 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,840 dirty by like letting the wrong people in, and like the way they must 679 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,039 be super guarded and jaded. Like there's also like, you know those kind 680 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,679 of fringe people who like ruin it for I think the other maybe hard work 681 00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:42,639 and folks who are like I'm not trying to do anything crazy, but please 682 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:46,039 don't abuse me, Like yeah, it's just like a complicated thing, and 683 00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,840 like it's interesting, like when you were saying about Louis c K and like 684 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,239 it's so funny because I feel like so much have canceled. Culture is framed 685 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,400 as it's like you make one mistake, one strike, and you're gone. 686 00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,920 But it's like when we hear these stories, it's like they made ten thousand 687 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,400 mistakes, they still weren't gone. Most of these people are blatant with their 688 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,599 behavior and then they finally somebody out them. Yeah, and it's like, 689 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:12,920 oh my gosh, poor Louis. He asked for permission to masturbate in front 690 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,119 of one girl. Like, no, that's not really how it was going 691 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:19,440 down. Yeah, it's like, oh god, like, think about fielding 692 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,440 that requass, folks, I literally think about fielding that requaess. That's insane. 693 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:28,119 I mean I always the people that are so anti cancel culture. I'm 694 00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:31,599 like, it's called consequences. Yeah, I understand, we're not trying to 695 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:37,800 come after you for making one slip up or using the wrong pronoun. Nobody's 696 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,199 doing that to you. Nobody's nobody's canceling you because you use somebody's the wrong 697 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,199 pronoun. Now, if you are all you do is like ship on trans 698 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,840 people and constantly use the wrong pronoun. Yeah, there's gonna be consequences to 699 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:58,480 that. You didn't one time as gender transperson a slew of unprovoked to me, 700 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,119 your whole personality go against the trans community. It's not so I mean, 701 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,639 yes, it's not. I it just makes me so mad when people 702 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,360 are like, ah, you can't say anything. It's like you can say 703 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,119 anything. You can say a lot of things. Nobody's gonna cancel you off 704 00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,440 of making one little mistake, right, and especially like it's like this idea 705 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,639 of like, oh well, if I've made the mistake, the consequences are 706 00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:23,559 so huge that I can never admit that I've made the mistake. When it's 707 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:27,280 like I don't know, I just think like I was wrong, I fucked 708 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,239 up. My bad, Like you know, we we make a lot of 709 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,480 fun of notes apologies because there's like seems so disingenuous, But like I do 710 00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:37,639 think there is a more authentic way to be like yeah, my bad, 711 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,119 Yeah, like I fucked up, And then it doesn't need to be this 712 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:45,320 like as some people would probably feel a witch hunch of this, like you 713 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,800 can just be like no, I did a little spell oops, I won't 714 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,440 do it again. Yeah. Yeah, And I also think that a lot 715 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,159 of the people that a lot of people defend, like, oh this poor 716 00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:00,039 person, cancel culture, gottem. But Louis ck is not can't in any 717 00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:05,599 way shape. Lucy is doing better than ever, which is fine. I'm 718 00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:07,639 not saying he shouldn't have a career, no, like like it's up to 719 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:13,480 me, but he does have a perfectly healthy career. Most of these comedians. 720 00:51:13,519 --> 00:51:16,800 Tell me one comedian that's like never worked again? Ye right, I 721 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,519 don't. I can't think of any Yeah, even Michael Richards is making a 722 00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:27,119 comeback. Yeah. And the Michael Richards thing, by the way, wasn't 723 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,760 just like he didn't use the N word one time he went crazy and had 724 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:38,079 a complete racist like meltdown. And yeah, so I feel like a old 725 00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:44,719 dumb dumb who's from Seinfeld years and years ago. It's just like at a 726 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,840 stand up show, right, yes, And they had audio of it. 727 00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:52,599 Yeah. I think I was listening to like It's Too Far, It's a 728 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:54,760 podcast that I really like, and they were talking about this and it's like 729 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,119 two queer Jewish women who like kind of run and like, but one of 730 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,440 them is like jokes about having almost like her name is Robie Hoffin. She's 731 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:06,159 so fucking funny. She has almost like a trump like she's so confident, 732 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,519 and I do think she had she had some interesting takes where she was like, 733 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:14,239 you know, okay, so you have this awful moment and obviously it's 734 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,559 in excuse well never should have happened in the first place, so fucking harmful 735 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:22,159 to people, Like what does life look like after? And like is there 736 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,639 what what do we want from people who like make these colossal fuck ups? 737 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,639 Because like I think what she was saying, and I don't know a ton 738 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,360 about it, but she was saying, like he's been really quiet and remorseful 739 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,159 for a really long time, and it just like I think there's this interesting 740 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,159 question where it's like where we don't have the answers for like how to hold 741 00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:43,199 people accountable and so it like it and then there's just people on like I 742 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:46,199 think both extremes being like this, it needs to be this way, and 743 00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,920 then everyone's like that's not fair, like yeah, and yeah, yeah, 744 00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,920 I do think people make mistakes. I mean I I I my kids call 745 00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:59,760 me out on certain things. Like I always thought it was perfectly acceptable to 746 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:06,920 call somebody a butch lesbian. That's like in my conversations with butch lesbians, 747 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:08,719 I was like, that's what they call themselves, like, and my son 748 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,239 was like really annoyed at me. One time, he was like, we 749 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,440 don't use that word anymore, and I was like, oh, we don't. 750 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:20,159 Like I got canceled by my kids many times, many times, ye 751 00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,079 like where I've been like okay, but I didn't know. I wasn't like 752 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:28,119 it's intent, like it's intent ye right, yeah, yeah, they still 753 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,519 love you anyways. Yeah. Yeah, I don't mean to be like a 754 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:35,840 Michael Richards apologist. Oh I don't know it. I understand what you're saying. 755 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,840 Yeah, of course, Like yes, people get caught on camera doing 756 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,719 stuff and maybe they're having a bad moment. But like I guess we have 757 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,079 to figure out the difference between is Michael Richards out there on a daily basis 758 00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,559 like calling people the N word? Like I don't, I don't know. 759 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:57,360 Ye. If we see something bad happening, a bad a bad action that 760 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,840 hurts people, you have to call it bad. You just have to point 761 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,920 at it and say that's not right, that's racist, or that's hurts people, 762 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,960 or that's misogynistic, like just label it and then change it, Like 763 00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,480 if we if we appease it, then it's just going to keep happening, 764 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,400 right, we need to stop the pattern of hey, like that's that's the 765 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,320 point. Yeah, And to what extent are we like listening to the people 766 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,039 affected, like on the receiving end of like hateful, horrible racist behavior, 767 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:29,760 Like to what extent are like those the people who are getting to rightfully determine 768 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,159 the recourse and action, because I think there is also like I think there's 769 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:37,079 a lot of like white people who feel really guilty and are like ooh, 770 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,880 I'm a colonizer, Like I don't I have all of this like discomfort, 771 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,440 like especially like well educated, liberal arts educated white people who are like okay, 772 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,760 so fuck, Like yikes, bad stuff has happened. And I think 773 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:52,199 sometimes it's like discomfort and guilt with that manifest and like being like, well, 774 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,039 I want to really condemn people doing the wrong thing because that's the way 775 00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:59,679 I'm going to like sit with this discomfort. And of course it's so important 776 00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:02,000 for what people like speak up and like there's so many situations where it's not 777 00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,320 safe for people of color too, or like where they're just not in the 778 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,920 room to speak up. So I'm not at all saying like, of course 779 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,400 white people need to speak up, but like I just think it's a really 780 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:14,599 interesting dynamic of like but to what extent are you amplifying a voice versus like 781 00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,119 kind of having this like reactionary like I think this is what I should do 782 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:22,039 to like alleviate my own feelings of guilt about this. Yeah, byplog, 783 00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:27,559 people have been like almost trained to tiptoe around that feeling of like, well, 784 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,119 we don't we don't want to serve to that discomfort. And it's like 785 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,199 wait, no, that sucks. Like we're realizing that now it's like as 786 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,320 as like a person, as an Asian American woman, like I should just 787 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:43,639 live like without constantly thinking about like, well, am I making this other 788 00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:46,840 person uncomfortable? Am I making their whiteness uncomfortable? Like? And we need 789 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,519 to learn that like having you know, speaking with black women who are constantly 790 00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:55,440 tipped like yeah, oh my gosh, I can't have any reaction to this 791 00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:00,519 otherwise I'm gonna be labeled like angry yep. I mean yeah, well, 792 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,840 and it doesn't help that now we're trying to take away critical race theory in 793 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:07,280 schools, Like we're trying to make sure that nobody feels uncomfortable about anything, 794 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:12,679 and like, at the same time, we can't turn everything into a gotcha 795 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,760 moment. Oh we found out you're racist, Like no otherwise than people can't 796 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,480 learn and make mistakes. Yeah, we didn't solve it, you guys. 797 00:56:20,679 --> 00:56:23,480 I know, I know, I know. We're just kind of diving deeper 798 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,000 and deeper and being like, oh my god, this is the endless Well 799 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,480 I'm I'm like and I'm like, now you like the Florida education system, 800 00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:40,039 We're gonna have to have you guys back, and ye I want I feel 801 00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:44,840 like I was so fucking blabby this whole time, but like I really hear 802 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,960 more about I just like it's so cool to like hear about like I don't 803 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,239 know just not like generation feels like horrible when you say that, but just 804 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:57,079 like people are like ten years to like whatever about like ahead, like I 805 00:56:57,159 --> 00:56:59,800 just am so fascinated with like what the pap was Like, Yeah, we 806 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,719 get excited one too smart, you know, amazing women or in front of 807 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:09,760 us. We just want to like what will be your mentors? Yeah? 808 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,599 Absolutely all right, So tell us about tell us the podcast. We signed 809 00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,239 an NDA. When what day does it come out? Give us the details 810 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:22,840 social media? Where do we find you? We signed an NDA on Instagram. 811 00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:28,039 The podcast stops every Wednesday. Is like the first section is us usually 812 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,320 talking about pop culture. We did a lot of banner puff recapping kind of 813 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:35,239 reality TV space, But then we always have a guest for an interview. 814 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,000 So whether you're in it for like more reality TV goss or whether you're like 815 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:42,719 I want to hear like we had someone who works for Ellen as a writer 816 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,599 on like all these awesome folks. So yeah, we have really cool sportsaff 817 00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:52,800 assistants. We just like have these charming anecdotes about which celebrities fucking rock and 818 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:57,960 the ways that people behave badly in Hollywood. Yeah? Great, And where 819 00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,360 do we find you on social media? And each one you want to plug? 820 00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:07,000 Oh yes, I'm on Instagram as Nikki and Maddox, which is like 821 00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:13,440 my given Japanese first name birth name and MADX was taken, so I just 822 00:58:13,559 --> 00:58:15,719 use that it's m I K I A N N M A D d o 823 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:21,519 X. And then we're on Patreon. Check us out, give us good 824 00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,719 nice red Yeah, go to iTunes. Give you guys good reviews. Yeah, 825 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:29,559 if you want like a story post. Sorry, yes, what I 826 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:32,960 say iTunes? Yeah, that's outdated, sadly, I still say it all 827 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,599 the time. Okay. And we signed an n DA is it's that is 828 00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:42,800 your And if you want to see me post once every four months and usually 829 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,960 go on a little spree LIFTFORED. The Big Red Dog is like my personal 830 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,559 instagram. Oh cute, Okay, I love it. Well, thank you 831 00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:57,400 guys much, thank you Kaylin, thank you Kaylan. I felt myself hand 832 00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,920 talking. I was like, oh no, my ruin in Kaylen's life. 833 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:09,400 You're all good, all right? Please everybody, bye, letting go,