WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:07.080 The o'chilly Effect is sponsored by Wall Street Window dot com and listeners like yeah 2 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:17.480 now ODI check June thirteen, twenty twenty three. Allegedly, according to that 3 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:21.480 thing we call a calendar, this is the show you're looking for. It's 4 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:25.280 Teursday as I speak, live, or Tuesday, the second broadcast day of 5 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:29.719 the week at o'chelly dot com. But due to my continuous run of cluster 6 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:34.479 and migraine headaches, I took yesterday just off, and I am behind on 7 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:38.280 the podcast, So that stuff is coming out. If you're hearing me live, 8 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:41.000 if you're hearing me via, well, we used to say is it 9 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.960 live or is it memory X? That was a commercial from I don't know, 10 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:48.759 sometime before I reached adulthood, I think, but who knows? A 11 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.479 guy who's a little ahead of me on the adulthood thing in more ways than 12 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:57.280 one. Author Donald Jeffries is with me. So we're gonna get into not 13 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.280 the news of the day. I could talk to you about the Trump indictment 14 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:04.400 and the circus going on down there in Florida, but I already did Helen 15 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.519 high Water with Maria Heller, so I'm done with talking about that for today. 16 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:14.920 So here we go, we're gonna talk about some recent history. And 17 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:18.719 why are we going to talk about some recent history? Because it's absolutely necessary. 18 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:22.959 And I don't know, maybe Don's got a special pal for his chair 19 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:26.120 over there, because that's a new noise. I don't hear the chair yet. 20 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.799 But does the chair have t shirts yet done? The chair has been 21 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.959 retiring. People have already forgotten that it had a sifteen and it's the fame. 22 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:38.560 I now have a stationary chair, so people don't even counting that anymore, 23 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.359 so they've already forgotten the chair. Excellent. Well, that's the way 24 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:45.680 it rolls. And at I Protest you can find Don Jeffreys show running constantly 25 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:49.480 I Protest through Tony Arterburn's thing over there. What is his network called again? 26 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:55.519 Well that America Unplugged, America Unplugged. Okay, thank you, and 27 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.719 that's one of the main shows. And you still do the I Protest thing 28 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.680 via substack right, Well, no, yes, my substack is also called 29 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:07.120 I Protest, and that's I'm asking people please subscribing there. It's Donald Jeffreystone 30 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:12.719 substack dot com. That's the only place they're allowing me to grow Twitter and 31 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.000 Facebook. I'm just shouted and to death over there, but substack, at 32 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.800 least so far, it's still a free speech platform, so thank goodness for 33 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:23.520 that. Excellent. And do you have any other video outlets besides rockfin Well, 34 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:27.439 it's I think they're showing it on Rumble now. I haven't figured out 35 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:30.159 where to go over there. And I live stream I protest and American Plug 36 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.319 that we do Saturday at noon with Billy Ray Now on time and Tony Harderburn's 37 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.560 kind of a three way thing and there's all live stream on rockfan dot com 38 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:45.319 at American Plug rockfan dot com and also on my YouTube channel, and then 39 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.280 we usually have to take it down right afterwards or they'll suspend my account if 40 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:51.719 we're talking about COVID. So depending on what the subject matter is, a 41 00:02:51.719 --> 00:02:54.719 lot of it doesn't last on YouTube. But you still have a Donald Jeffreys 42 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:58.599 YouTube, so it exists, yes, but you got to be careful. 43 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.120 Yeah, So I tried being careful with mine. I got away with it 44 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:05.000 for several years, but you know, eventually they catch up to you. 45 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:08.199 So you know, coming soon to a to a goo goo tube near you, 46 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:13.639 probably the banning of Donald Jeffries. But it's okay because rock Finn still 47 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:16.759 allows them to be there bit shoot rumble places like that. You'll still be 48 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:21.800 able to find Donald Jeffries. Not to mention the fact that he's also an 49 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.280 author, and that's one of the things we're going to talk about tonight, 50 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:30.879 because you have a book out on that taboo subject that gets us all in 51 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:34.039 so much trouble, even though you would think it's uh, you know, 52 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.719 come on, it should be common knowledge at this point. What's gone on 53 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.360 regarding the you know, COVID nineteen eighty four, whatever you want to call 54 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:46.840 it, agenda Coronavirus Apprentice Season two is about to premiere. We know that 55 00:03:47.039 --> 00:03:53.039 via the you know, the various indictments or alleged indictments that are happening in 56 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:57.520 the news, the alleged news. So all that's going on. And by 57 00:03:57.560 --> 00:04:00.719 the way, shout out to Billy Ray Valentine, I do have to rerecord 58 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:06.240 apparently, uh my appearance on the Infinite Fringe, which he recorded some weeks 59 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:10.000 ago and now there's a problem with it, so we got to rerecord it. 60 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:14.240 But coming soon I'll be on the Infinite Fringe with your buddy Billy Ray 61 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:17.199 Valence. And by the way, Billy Ray if you, if you happen 62 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:20.199 to catch this open invite, if you want to come on my show, 63 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:25.279 promote that or Free World FM or anything connected to you. Billy Ray, 64 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:29.279 appreciate you. You might be a little different than me, but I bet 65 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:33.120 you were more alike than a lot of people would like to. Yeah, 66 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:39.199 even though we got slightly different Northeastern accents, we're definitely from the Northeast. 67 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:43.160 Yeah, So okay, enough of all this, don And we definitely did 68 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:46.800 your plugs in the o'celli style. So it's all over the damn place, 69 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.439 and look to the show notes and you'll see where you can find Donald Jeffreys. 70 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:54.680 But let's get to a couple of brass tacks. And first thing is 71 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:58.120 this uh minor bone to pick with you, sir, And I'm gonna do 72 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:00.199 it in public. And yeah, I'm blind siding you with this because I 73 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.800 didn't want to do it in private. And I'm not a backstabber of any 74 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:08.079 kind, despite the fact that some people accused me of it. So I 75 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:13.800 want you to know this. Somebody wrote me a complaint recently that I had 76 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:17.439 not had you on to promote your books or anything recently, and how dare 77 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:20.560 I and I was a bad guy, and you know I had gotten rid 78 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.839 of you unceremoniously, and what was my problem with Donald Jeffreys and on and 79 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.240 on and on, And this is a guy I've never heard of. Okay, 80 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:32.000 this is a brand new listener to me, but apparently a fan of 81 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.920 yours gave me a bunch of crap. Now, for the record, there 82 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.240 is that. I believe you. And by the way, you were already 83 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:45.319 booked before I got this message. Okay, we you were supposed to do 84 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.759 last week, and again, my headache was killing me. I called you 85 00:05:47.879 --> 00:05:50.560 up a little bit before showtime and said, Don, I'm not in any 86 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.920 shape to talk. This is real. This is exactly what happened. I'm 87 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.360 not in any shape to talk. Can I schedule you for next week? 88 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.360 You proceeded to say yes, then you forgot about it. So I called 89 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.680 you about ten minutes before we were supposed to go live today and said you're 90 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:06.920 ready to go? And you went, oh, that's today. Just just 91 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:12.839 stop me when I'm lying, Don, please, Right's right, and there's 92 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:16.600 always been an open invite here. I have no hostility toward Don. Why 93 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:19.000 did you get rid of them of your network? Well, mister you asked 94 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:24.240 me that question four times during one email. Um, I just felt as 95 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:28.519 though it was not productive for him to split his time between me and what 96 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.959 he was doing with Tony Arterburn. Because Tony arranged a whole website, which 97 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:35.079 is, uh, what is it, Donald Jeffries media dot com something like 98 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:41.360 that. I'm sorry, Donald Jeffries dot Media also will be in the show 99 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:45.360 notes. So you were doing that, you had a consolidated thing going on 100 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:48.079 there, and frankly, I don't think it was helping o'chelly dot com what 101 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:53.000 you were doing, and it wasn't helping you what o'ceelly dot com was doing. 102 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:57.319 So for the best interest of everybody involved, I said, don I 103 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:00.439 think we'll quit doing this. And you know, by all means, take 104 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.120 your theme music, take your archives, do whatever you want, and I 105 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:08.879 wish you well and I support you and I stand with you, you know. 106 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.720 I mean, look, I know this makes some guys uncomfortable, but 107 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:14.199 look, I love what I love. I love this guy. He's a 108 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.879 good guy. So it's not that there was any negativity. It's just that 109 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:24.120 it seemed more logical for him to consolidate his efforts with Tony Harderburn, who 110 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.800 is doing an excellent job taking care of his setting you up and helping you 111 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.360 out and making sure the whole thing stayed together with Billy Ray blah blah, 112 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:35.079 whatever role he plays there, Tony's doing great stuff for you. I was 113 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:40.000 not able to do the same things. So I felt as though Tony was 114 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.879 more helpful to you and I could clear a piece of my schedule to maybe 115 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.240 help somebody else. Sure, that's all it is. It wasn't a negative 116 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:53.120 thing. Okay, yeah, so no issues, no issue. But anyway, 117 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.160 this guy thinks, oh, you know, you did him and listen. 118 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:58.920 I never did. But I am going to point out something because I 119 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.199 fired back at him. He gave me this whole tirade about how I'm trying 120 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:03.480 to you know, like, oh, you just don't want him on your 121 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:07.360 air, and listen, I said, dude, you know, first of 122 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.319 all, let's let's get down to brass tacks. I produced don show for 123 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:16.879 about a year. Um, I did that freely. I never suppressed anything 124 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.680 he had to say, and he guessed nothing. Whatever he did, whether 125 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:22.839 I liked it or not, I did it, and I did it to 126 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.120 the best of my ability, and maybe my ability wasn't best. Some days. 127 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:31.079 I might have made some mistakes, we had a couple of technical issues 128 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:33.440 that were out of my control, etc. But I did my level best 129 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:39.240 to produce Don as I produced anybody, including my own show. UM, 130 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.679 So there was no negativity. I never had a problem lined up against him 131 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.480 or wanted to suppress him. I in fact wanted to empower him and get 132 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.799 him out to as many people as possible. Now that being said, Don, 133 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:56.159 here's my bone to pick with you, Okay, Um, Don has 134 00:08:56.159 --> 00:09:01.159 never invited me on any of his shows. Okay, just for the record, 135 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.080 well know I not no way. Wait, wait before you defend anything, 136 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:07.720 I want to make this point very clear to mister Donald Jeffries fan who 137 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.960 I'm not gonna name, just in case you're using a fake name. Dude. 138 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:15.679 Don has never invited me on one of his shows. I have never 139 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:18.360 complained to Don about this, but it occurred to me in this exchange back 140 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:22.759 and forth with this guy who I stopped exchanging with because it was annoying, 141 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:26.840 um I, And it was a long email, and I try to respond 142 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:28.799 to all emails. I don't know if you know that, Don, but 143 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:31.279 I try and respond if somebody takes time to write me I, out of 144 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.960 total respect, I write back to them. Okay, So I wrote back 145 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.000 to this guy three or four times, making the point that I am in 146 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:43.879 no way trying to obstructor or hurt Don Jeffries in any of his efforts, 147 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.759 not at all. Even some of my friends who don't like Don Jeffries, 148 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.720 who have said, why are you working with Jeffries? He's this, he's 149 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.559 that, he's a trumper, he's a jerk, he's he's an elitist. 150 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.039 He thinks he's this, he thinks he's Why are you remember Pete? We 151 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.559 have given me crap about you, and you know what I always do. 152 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.200 My friends are my friends. You don't like it too bad? That's the 153 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:09.320 attitude I've taken. And you know this from behind the scenes stuff. Don 154 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.840 that if you're my friend, that's a decision that I make. And I 155 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:16.279 take care of my friends as best I know how. But here are these 156 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.360 people. I want to hear. Who are these people? They think I'm 157 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.200 an elitist? Everything what's named names? It's so weird. You know what 158 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.240 I might say if I didn't, I'll tell you what. I always protect 159 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:30.879 everybody's anonymity and feel as though I don't want to, you know, turn 160 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.360 around snitching on anybody. So I've got this mental block against I would share 161 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.039 these things with you, and maybe if I get permission. By the way, 162 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.080 a jerky guy who I know is going to listen to this, do 163 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:45.480 me a favor. Listen to this, write me an email and give me 164 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:48.919 permission to share with Don all of your tirades about them and how I was 165 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.200 a bad guy to him. Goohead. Give me that permission, and I'll 166 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:56.480 give it to Don. I'll afford all the emails to them. Okay, 167 00:10:56.519 --> 00:11:01.440 anyway, enough talking to one listener. Don. So now my question to 168 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:03.799 you, what what? What's the matter? I'm not good enough? Varade 169 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:07.200 protest. I can't do America unplugged. I mean, I'm friendly with Billy 170 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:11.600 Ray. Does Tony Arderburn hate me that much? Dot? Do you? 171 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.080 Are you angry at me? Don? Have you decided that I am so 172 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.440 bad? Well? What's going on? Why am I not allowed on? 173 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.000 Believe that? Because I want to do this show once a week, I 174 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.519 get a lot of I get so many people that are suggesting yes constantly. 175 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.159 I have the one Catholic woman who's very good. She keeps giving me these 176 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:35.360 really great guests that are experts on esoteric stuff. I've used some of her 177 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:39.639 guests. I have other people that, you know, I've kind of become 178 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.240 it's almost become a specially these since what happened to my brother. I'm having 179 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.120 those kinds of people that went through that a lot, and also people that 180 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.480 are being her asked by Child Protective Services because I had an interview with Megan 181 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:54.840 Walls. She was John Walsh of the American Most Wanted Daughter, Fascinating guests. 182 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:00.159 She has a lot to say and she has a big net work. 183 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:01.440 So through her I heard from other people, Hey, you know, this 184 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:05.840 happened to me too. So I've had several those I usually okay, so 185 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.720 I'm not I am not good enough to be on the don I'm trying to 186 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.600 I do this all myself. I'm having this or anything. But I don't 187 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:16.679 want that looks up the guests do. I don't have you, and I 188 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.679 know I can make it happen. I guarantee you. In fact, I 189 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.039 maybe gets able to get you out America Unplug this week, because that's we 190 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.159 don't always have guests there. And I'm sure Billy Ray loves you. I 191 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:30.039 know, and I think Tony does too. He's never say anything bad about 192 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:31.320 you, So I think we can make that happen. Okay, with with 193 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:35.200 all due, with all due everything, I am busting your balls right now 194 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.879 because it's fun, but look after them, I'm actually busting your balls to 195 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.720 make myself feel better about the wasted aggravation I put with one of your fans. 196 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.080 Okay, because I was trying to, you know, to to to 197 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:52.159 satisfy this dude's outrage and explain to him I didn't do anything wrong for you, 198 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:56.360 and you know, and then he's like, and Don did this for 199 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.879 you? And you know, like he's basically presenting to me that you had 200 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.440 on me such a huge favor by being on my network, and that just 201 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.840 by being associate he loves you, this guy, just by by you allowing 202 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:13.039 me to be associated with you, that you had done such a tremendous favor 203 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.720 that I owe you. And I said, oh, look, look, 204 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.279 look I don't know Don nothing as far as I'm concerned. I mean, 205 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.279 if Don feels differently, take it up with him, is what I said 206 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.399 to them now. But I don't feel as though I owe Don anything and 207 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:28.759 Don doesn't owe me anything. We work together for a little bit, and 208 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:33.120 that is that it is not you know, this isn't like some divorce that 209 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.559 happened here and you know, hey, look you kept my tools and I 210 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:41.120 kept the dog, and it's something like that. So anyway, I don't 211 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:45.320 want you to put me on because now I busted your balls. No no, 212 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.159 no, no, that should have happened anyhow. But but you, 213 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.440 whoever this fan is, first of all, I want to thank you for 214 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:54.200 being my fan. I'm a names that I have any fans. I still, 215 00:13:54.240 --> 00:13:54.720 you know, it takes a lot to get used to. I'm sure 216 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:58.360 it is for you too to know that people actually considers themselves fans. But 217 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.320 this is you know, we're wrong to be pointing fair Chuck. Chuck and 218 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.039 I are fine. There's nothing where I'm not bitter at all about. And 219 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.200 it helped my and I was replaced parent, you know, basically by Chris 220 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:13.960 Graves who started out as my researcher, and he's kind of taking to this 221 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.240 like a fish out of water, and he's basically taking over the Hotelling network 222 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.960 and he's taking over all these other podcasts. So I'm glad it opened the 223 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.399 door for him. We're we're fine, Yeah, Chris Graves is a monster. 224 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:28.879 I mean, he is just putting out tons and tons of material, 225 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:33.000 fascinating stuff in his own style, in his own way. Uh. And 226 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:37.080 and I am thoroughly pleased to work with Chris. And really I could thank 227 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.200 you for that. Maybe I owe you for Chris Graves, but not really 228 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:45.679 because Chris. I owe Chris Graves. For Chris Graves, he's doing quite 229 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.519 well and I appreciate him, and he's doing it with nothing like the rest 230 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.320 of us. You know, you come in with a shoe string and you 231 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.600 try and figure out how to make it into a banjo. Okay, this 232 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:58.200 is what happens unless you have money to back you up, and most of 233 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.080 us are blessed with that. So Chris has done an amazing job. Really 234 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.200 thrilled, really happy, And you know, Chris uh needs to take it 235 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.240 easy on himself more than anything, and understand that he's a special guy and 236 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:13.919 he's done some special work here. And yeah, I do have you to 237 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:16.759 thank for that because he was one of the listeners. You know, you 238 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:20.919 brought over a handful of listeners and he was one of these guys that you 239 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:26.440 brought over that wanted to get involved and did and followed through. So I 240 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.480 love the guy. I love your work. I'm not gonna say that. 241 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.159 I you know, as per usual, we're not in a religious cult here. 242 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.559 I might have my disagreements with some of your work, your conclusions, 243 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.840 your ideas, but that's the thing. I mean. If I wasn't, 244 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.080 then what is this the cult of Don Jeffreys? The guy who wrote to 245 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:46.080 me, maybe he would join, okay, because he's really into you, 246 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.519 not in a you know, romantic he's going to get obsessed way or anything, 247 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.000 but he really thinks that you are one of the most valuable people out 248 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.440 there in the alt media land, and um, you know, and says 249 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.360 that, you know what, He talks to everybody about you, spreads the 250 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.600 word for you about every single thing. That's how the email started out, 251 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.080 by the way, is that he was so angry with me because I had 252 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:14.519 gotten rid of you after like in other words, I got rid of you 253 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:18.080 after He's successfully and I don't see a big numbers jump here, pally, 254 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:22.600 But it's okay, it's okay. If you brought one listener, I'm grateful. 255 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.480 But the thing is he was saying, you know, I brought all 256 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.399 these listeners over and then you got rid of Don, and I'm like, 257 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:33.000 okay, look, I'm sorry, but things happened, nothing less forever anyway, 258 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.679 right, But it wasn't like I got rid of you and oh Don 259 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.720 had to go and you walk the plank over here. You know, those 260 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.679 pirate radio guys get serious about that kind of stuff. Anyway, enough of 261 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:48.480 this, because to me, during that conversation, one of the key things 262 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.320 was something that you mentioned just a minute ago. So now we're gonna get 263 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:56.799 back on track, folks. Okay, the thing is, you know I 264 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.320 was doing a show with you at the time that you had to endure the 265 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:07.279 tragedy with your brother, and this was an awful time for you personally, 266 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:11.960 and you shared that with listeners, and as far as I'm concerned, I 267 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.720 was there to facilitate that, not pressing you to do it and not trying 268 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:19.960 to use your tragedy or anything like that, but I encouraged you to express 269 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.519 yourself as you felt necessary to do. That. That's a very real thing, 270 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.240 that's a very necessary thing. And you know what, it was a 271 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.880 risk you were taking, an exposure. You put yourself out there. So 272 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:37.799 anybody that you know, again, you can disagree with Don and you can 273 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.400 lack of respect for him on this or that or whatever, but the fact 274 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.640 that he is himself, the fact that he's a real human being, the 275 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:48.480 fact that he is somebody who shared his life okay, and continues to do 276 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:55.720 that while he's sharing research and history and his ideas about politics and whatnot. 277 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:59.920 He's somebody who has shared a part of himself. Now I facilitated part of 278 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.519 that. Tony Arterburn is facilitated part of that. But at the end of 279 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.440 the day, Don Jeffries has gone forth with his story, his reality, 280 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:15.039 his observations and his analyzation, and he's and he's taken it to the craziness, 281 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.359 the madness that we are living in. And one of the things that 282 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.160 has been the most maddening over the past decade, one of the things that 283 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:26.680 you and I together, as we work together a bit. It's not like 284 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.039 I'm your you know, life partner, or freaking one of your kids or 285 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:36.759 something, but reality is you and I endured this together trying to navigate through 286 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:42.119 a time of strange psychology because why, well, we had warped speed, 287 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:49.759 the coronavirus apprentice brought us what the shot we had, the the epidemic, 288 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:55.279 the pandemic, the plandemic, the whatever the hell you want to call it, 289 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:57.720 from Wu Han to Woo the hell, what the hell had just happened 290 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:04.920 was going on, and we navigated that together, and I felt a little 291 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.839 rough about, you know, doing the thing with you. That day when 292 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:11.119 you came back, you said, Okay, I'm gonna talk about my brother's 293 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:15.119 story. Here's the way it's gonna go. We had serious talks about that. 294 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.799 I said, you, you know, don't feel obligated, but also 295 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.400 you don't need to hold back. Do it your way, and I always 296 00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:27.200 encourage you to express yourself your way. Part of that has now resulted, 297 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:32.480 not just the situation with your brother obviously, who you dedicate the book too. 298 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.920 In addition to thanking some others at the beginning of the book and all 299 00:19:37.000 --> 00:19:44.000 that wonderful stuff there, you thank you your main researchers and others who contributed 300 00:19:44.519 --> 00:19:48.559 to what results here. So tell me about the personal motivation of writing the 301 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.359 book, and also give him the full title, because I will screw it 302 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:56.240 up with subtitle at all. Give him the full title, tell them about 303 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:02.200 how to go get it, and let's get into the personal motivation that actually 304 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:11.279 is the inciting incident or the inciting group of incidents or circumstance that led to 305 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:18.680 the natural creation of this book. Title and full title of course, full 306 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:22.920 title and where they can get it. And then let's get into the motivation 307 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:26.279 and roll from there for about a half hour. Okay, it's masking the 308 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:32.160 truth how COVID nineteen destroyed civil liberties and shut down the world. It is 309 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:36.480 a foreword by doctor Sherry Tenpenny, very honored. She sends some great work 310 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.720 on that. I've gotten blurbs from people like Naomi Wolf and Cindy Sheehan, 311 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:45.599 my buddy, Cindy Brady, Susan Olshan from the Brady Bunch, and it's 312 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:49.319 everybody that I've heard from so far. Anyhow, I negative comments about it 313 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.599 hasn't been out that long, but lots of people I know reading it and 314 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.000 so far so good that yeah, the book was well. Hang on, 315 00:20:56.079 --> 00:21:00.680 hang on really quickly though, in case someone is hearing this. And look, 316 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.759 today you happen to learn how to tie your shoes and somebody left a 317 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:10.400 podcast on because you're probably partially brain dead. If you've never heard of doctor 318 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:14.799 Tenpenny, why don't you just give people a cursory idea of who this is. 319 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:19.440 And uh, by the way, extremely impressed, uh you know radio 320 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:26.440 host over year that you actually got doctor tenpenny to write the foreword for this 321 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.279 book, this subject in particular. Could you just give people an idea who 322 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.920 she is? Well, she's she's very charming, you know, she's a 323 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:37.359 wonderful lady. And you can't help it like her, and she was early 324 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.680 on she was she liked me. And but you know, being in the 325 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.200 medical profession like uh, you know her and some of the other Scott Jensen, 326 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:51.119 Andrew Kaufman, uh doctors as well, and people like John Ravocort or 327 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:52.839 they were like and I was right there too, you know, whatever little 328 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:56.960 platform I have. We she never doubted it, doubted that this was some 329 00:21:57.039 --> 00:22:00.839 kind of sidad from the very beginning. She didn't trust the COVID n angle. 330 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:03.759 She's been talking about it constantly, very courageously. You know, you're 331 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:07.559 a doctor. It's it takes twice as much courage when you're inside the industry 332 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.880 and outside of you know, people like Peter McCullough, etc. Etc. 333 00:22:11.559 --> 00:22:15.359 Here's the thing about doctor Tenpenny. You should have known, not you don 334 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.440 but you the listener should have known her name a long time, because when 335 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.839 it comes to if you're listening to this show, you're interested in the truth, 336 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:29.440 you're interested in the alternative from the general conventions. And here's the deal. 337 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:36.039 Doctor Tenpenny has not just joined since the COVID event okay, event two 338 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:40.359 o one, whatever the hell, has not just joined as of that date. 339 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.880 But she's been at it a long time, trying to get the truth, 340 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:49.480 trying to give people real information to work with regarding the dangers, and 341 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:53.240 whether you agree with it or not done by the way, you gotta say 342 00:22:53.599 --> 00:23:00.640 that her courage is not a new found skill in her skill set toolbox. 343 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:03.759 This is something she's had for a long time. Could you just speak to 344 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.440 that really quickly, and then let's move to your personal motivation about the book, 345 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.839 please. Well, I think she's a you know, of a small 346 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:15.880 minority of people doctors within the medical industrial complex who have always understood that there's 347 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.640 corruption there and that they do things the wrong way, that they rely too 348 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.759 much on big pharma, especially too much on slash and burn methods, They 349 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:30.920 discount diet, they smear and try to discredit vitamins and a natural substances, 350 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.319 things like that. So I think you know, doctor Henpenny is one of 351 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.559 those people that is wise enough to realize that they were wrong about this already, 352 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.519 and so certainly so, I don't imagine she had much trust in the 353 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.079 medical industrial complex to begin with when this thing burst upon the scene, you 354 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.920 know, at the beginning of twenty twenty. And I worked within the medical 355 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.000 industrial complex too, is mostly at it. But I did work in a 356 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.400 hospital itself when I was very young, and I saw the sausage being made, 357 00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:59.559 and that was when it was much better too. It was a long 358 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.400 time ago, and still it was horror stories beyond belief. I may write 359 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.200 a book about that one day, but just my experiences are there because I 360 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.000 just witnessed a lot firsthand, and even before this hit, so when this 361 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.440 production came out, certainly for myself, I was predisposed to you know, 362 00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:18.599 I'm not you know, Chuck, I don't believe anything. I'm very skeptical 363 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.200 about everything, and I just assume if it's coming from the mainstream meeting, 364 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:26.160 and they don't tell the truth about anything else, so why would they be 365 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.599 telling the truth this time? And certainly the way this was presented, the 366 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:33.640 NonStop fear porn, and and I think what differentiates my book from all the 367 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:36.960 others. Peter McCully, you mentioned the other guy's been on my show, 368 00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.839 but he wrote a book that I have. I got to meet him at 369 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.680 Naomi Wolf's book launch, and Naomi Wolf, you know, wrote the bodies 370 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.000 of others. These are great books. Robert F. Kennedy Junior, so 371 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:52.119 the real Fauci, great book. So Alex Barnson has written some good stuff. 372 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.880 He was on Tucker Carlson Lott had the biggest platform of any of us, 373 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.559 you know, pretty much. But they were all starting at what I 374 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.880 call point D. Nobody was starting at point A in a book. Nobody 375 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:06.680 hasn't told me. I started the very beginning. I don't accept that there 376 00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.799 was a deadly virus. So I'm analyzing it. Okay, let's let's start 377 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:15.000 at point A. What happened? What is COVID nineteen. I don't think 378 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:18.119 any of the other people do that, And so if you want to, 379 00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.599 maybe you'll see something different there, because I go right back to China at 380 00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:23.839 the very beginning, and the people supposedly dropping dead in the streets go. 381 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.119 I don't buy that. That's Hollywood written all over it. I don't buy 382 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.359 that people were being nailed inside their houses when they had open windows next to 383 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.599 them. I don't buy that some Chinese woman was crazed enough to be walking 384 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:38.440 around the streets spinning on door knobs desperately trying to spread whatever this was. 385 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.799 And in my book you had the source from China that eventually admitted, you 386 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:48.640 know, early on, well, actually we did include cases of pneumonia and 387 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.200 the flu and so called COVID. In other words, that's what we said 388 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.240 it was. It was. It wasn't even anything special. Well and wait, 389 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.039 wait just one second, though, because some people might say, Okay, 390 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.160 Don Jeffreys winning there with a contrarian viewpoint. But I want to make 391 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:06.680 this very clear. It's actually, although sometimes you do, Don, let's 392 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:12.920 be honest, Sometimes you go into certain circumstances with an absolute contrarian viewpoint on 393 00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:17.400 board. It's factory installed for you when you enter the prey. Okay, 394 00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:19.480 that's the way you approach a lot of things. But in this case, 395 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:23.480 I think, and I think by reading the book, I would not have 396 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:27.960 known this unless I started reading your book. But the reality is you're coming 397 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:33.279 at this not from the direct contrarian viewpoint. Now, some people might say 398 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.000 I'm like splitting hairs here, but I'm not. It's very important to understand 399 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:44.160 that Don is coming in as a skeptic on this. I wouldn't qualify you 400 00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:48.440 as somebody who was purely anti vax let's say, previous to this situation, 401 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.319 not directly anyway, or at least not vehemently. Maybe you had your doubts, 402 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.920 you had questions, but you've always got questions. I think that you 403 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:02.000 weren't somebody like me who came in go and look, I already know this 404 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.279 stuff is poison, so now I want to know what kind of poison it 405 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:08.279 is. You actually went in with more of an open mind, but with 406 00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:15.559 a bent toward the skeptical eye. So that being said, now I'm going 407 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:18.720 to really shut up and let your roll because this is very personal to you. 408 00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:22.960 On top of it being something that you know, it's personal to all 409 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.359 of us. Yes, indeed, we were all one way or another affected. 410 00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:30.759 I talked to even Billy Ray and that now it'll be a lost episode 411 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:36.920 of the Infinite Fringe about how this has become a issue that even if you 412 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.319 tried to avoid it politically, you tried to avoid it socially. If you 413 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.759 followed the rules, or you were picking the rules. You were with the 414 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.640 mask, you were against the mask. Here's one thing that's undeniable, the 415 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:53.680 virus as a thing, not necessarily the thing, the disease, the alleged 416 00:27:55.160 --> 00:28:00.279 plague, right, not as that particular thing, but as a thing that 417 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:07.920 ripped through society psychologically, socially, causing all these different effects regarding people's business, 418 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.640 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Unless you were living on 419 00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:18.359 a mountain all by yourself, you ended up suffering some sort of tangential effect, 420 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.039 some people more severely and more directly than others. And I don't mean 421 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:27.839 by getting sick, Okay, I mean I got sick. I don't feel 422 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:32.640 as though although I got questions about what it did and so on and so 423 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.400 forth, I got very sick in twenty twenty. I think you were working 424 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:41.119 with me at that time. Yeah, And I was extremely ill, and 425 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:45.000 I think I was telling you stuff like I don't know, man, I'm 426 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.240 coughing up putting. You know. It was it was rough. It was 427 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.440 a rough And I've had pneumonia a few times. You know, I lived 428 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.359 on the streets as a kid. You end up with pneumonia brother. I 429 00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:57.720 mean, it's just what happens. So I had pneumonia before. This was 430 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:03.640 like pneumonia, but again wasn't so to me. There was a severe flu 431 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:08.000 like thing in the mix. True, but separate from that, okay. 432 00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.839 And not even saying that it was this great danger that was going to wipe 433 00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.279 us out or none of that. I'm just saying that it was definitely the 434 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:21.759 right season and I got more ill than I would have normally gotten ill in 435 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.519 any case during that time. But doesn't mean that I buy that the disease 436 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:32.400 in and of itself was reality, Okay, not the way they described it. 437 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:37.440 Just like this poison my word, not Don Jeffreys, but poison that 438 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:44.200 they told us to take to counter this terrible disease was another thing. Okay. 439 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.960 So let's just keep things real clear here. Everybody I think got affected 440 00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:53.200 if you were connected to people in any way, whether you had to do 441 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.440 business or it was about family, or could you get together on the holidays, 442 00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.519 or could you visit somebody who died who was in the hospital. Etc. 443 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.720 Up. Oh, I'm touching the nerve here. And why am I 444 00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.839 touching the nerve because again right after and I'm just going to be blunt and 445 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:12.720 ugly about it for a second. But right after your brother died in the 446 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:17.519 hospital, and during the time when he was still alive, and you and 447 00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:21.920 I had a couple of conversations back and forth, and this and that you 448 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:26.759 were being affected, he was being affected. This is something that winds up 449 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:33.240 touching you hard. And I'm not saying that it made any of your conclusions 450 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.880 or work any less clear than they would have been without the personal connection, 451 00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.960 but I think it had to have contributed to your motivation. So quickly tell 452 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.160 us about that and let's roll through it. Yeah. Absolutely, there's As 453 00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:51.640 I said, I started out from point eight, so I started running that 454 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.240 with this. It's basically two parts. There's two parts to what I call 455 00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:56.759 the greatest scie up in the history of the world. The first part is 456 00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.960 creating the COVID narrative and trying to convince people through NonStop spear porn, through 457 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:07.640 tremendous manipulation and statistics, lying constantly about the number of cases through a PCR 458 00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.359 test it's ninety percent false positive again to get so many more cases that aren't 459 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.799 they aren't COVID, whatever it is, and through the fact that they had 460 00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:18.400 never been able to isolate the COVID nineteen strain. In other words, they've 461 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:21.680 never proven it existed. So that was the first part. And I include 462 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.240 everything that people other people thought. I include the empty hospital videos. I 463 00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:27.680 include the dancing nurses because they're part of the story. They created this from 464 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:33.119 narrative and this tremendous fear porn. But at that point I didn't know where 465 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.400 the story was gonne Go I said, well this is I dropped it. 466 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.440 I think I was writing more of Hydnistry three, which Chris and others were 467 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:42.079 helping me a lot on, and so I just kind of finished that. 468 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:45.880 It's still hopefully going to be published very shown by Skyhorse. But well, 469 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.359 really really fast, you had multiple projects going on. You were doing all 470 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:52.559 of that, which, by the way, I don't know if you caught 471 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.519 it, but you mentioned this whole thing about the PCR test that was a 472 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:00.440 controversy in and of itself at the time, but really fast about that. 473 00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:05.480 I had a guy on not too long ago that incontrovertibly with international individuals who 474 00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:09.039 were supposed to be experts in virology, so not just the usual suspects out 475 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:14.400 there, who put out an entire documentary I don't know if you saw that, 476 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.680 because you're a busy guy. And I know John No, no, 477 00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:21.880 no, not Potash, no, no, no, a whole other guy 478 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.680 who was this Hollywood producer of sorts who had gone out and put a lot 479 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.319 of his own Michael Wallack was his name. I was trying to come up 480 00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:34.480 with his name in my head. Uh, Michael Wallack who did this whole 481 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:37.440 film. He's actually got like twelve hours of film now at this point, 482 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:43.799 but international experts films of the hospitals, uh, from going all the way 483 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.720 you know, through Europe into the US, etc. And you know what 484 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.880 he's coming up with is none of these you know, alleged tests for like 485 00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.759 even though the PCR test works for this or that, No it doesn't. 486 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.920 No, it doesn't. Actually the whole entire thing that they pushed on that 487 00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.440 where it's like, well, this is built upon this science. This is 488 00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.960 built upon this science, is built upon this science. It's a giant game 489 00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:13.279 of Jenga that nobody even bothered to lay the initial bricks on. I don't 490 00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.599 know what it's standing on because it's nothing real regarding science. And here's the 491 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:21.920 problem that I think you're going to discover as you listen to Don again, 492 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.440 turning to the listeners right breaking the fourth wall, you're going to discover that 493 00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:30.079 all the way along the line, there is a game of Jenga going on 494 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.559 with all kinds of phantom blocks, and it's called the BS that they're pushing. 495 00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.359 And it's not just the test, it's not just the disease, it's 496 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.440 not just the blame game. It's across the board or you know what, 497 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.039 don tell me, I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist. Sorry to have interrupted. 498 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.480 Go ahead. You know, I'd never call anybody that I don't care of 499 00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:52.440 the pot calling the kettle black. But no, so I again, I 500 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:54.079 turned out the projects and you said, I didn't know where this is gonna 501 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.000 end. I put it aside, and Chris Graves especially was sending me a 502 00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.400 lot of stuff on the back scene, and I told him to do that, 503 00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.359 and I kept notes. I kept it aside, and I said, 504 00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.880 well, I'm going to revisit this once I figure out what's going on. 505 00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:10.800 But this is before my brother. And so then January twenty twenty two, 506 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.599 my brother, you know, suddenly goes in the hospital and that was the 507 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.719 end. I mean, he was a hypochondriac. He was completely healthy. 508 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:22.000 Asymptomatic, as they tell us. That's the Orwellian term that's become popular now, 509 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:27.199 asymptomatic, which means not sick. So the formerly not sick so but 510 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.719 they've managed to well, you're still sick, you're just asymptomatic. So he 511 00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:32.480 was fine, no symptoms. Well he would he would not only be aligned 512 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.679 well today. If he hadn't gone to the hospital, he probably would have 513 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.599 lived to be a hundred. He was incredibly healthy and he It's just it 514 00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:43.480 still tears me up. But he went in January sixth, of all days, 515 00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:45.360 one year anniversary. And by the time I found out, he was 516 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.239 already anywhere in the middle of the night and called the Ambams, so I 517 00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:51.000 thought I could do so. I knew it was gonna I didn't know that 518 00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:52.039 was gonna happen, but I knew it was bad, and I said, 519 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.000 oh jeez. And you know, shockingly, he tested positive for COVID, 520 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.400 which I knew he would once they found out he wasn't vaccinated, and they 521 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.119 fast tracked and they gave him even though I told Andy, quarantine you say, 522 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.599 you don't get to see I didn't say him for two weeks and I 523 00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.800 was saying he was dead in two weeks. They they took him perfectly healthy 524 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.719 person killed him in two weeks, and there's no question he would be alive 525 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.920 if he hadn't be gone in the hospital. That's that's such a damning indictment 526 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.760 of hospitals and the medical industry that you know people are being killed because they 527 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.599 went and trusted them, and you as if you anybody out there watched my 528 00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:29.079 show. I had Sheila Skibon a couple of weeks ago, who Rob Skiba 529 00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.280 was a big guy in the alternative media for a while. He went through 530 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.920 a very similar experience. They killed him too. She didn't get to see 531 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.000 him again. They quarantined you because they want to keep the loved ones away 532 00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.000 to see what they're doing. I told him over the phone, no remdzevie 533 00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.559 or no VENTI later, but they went behind my back and did the dam 534 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.880 They're gonna. I'm gonna ask you the terrible, horrible vulture question. And 535 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.800 I feel as though I can do this because you know I'm your friend, 536 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.599 okay, and I'm gonna so I'm gonna be like one of these MSM vultures 537 00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:04.360 come back right now, Okay, So so tell me did you feel the 538 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.840 worry about this? Did you actually at the time in the moment, did 539 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.880 you feel afraid like they're going to kill my brother? Did you really feel 540 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.440 that or did you feel as though, you know, I might be able 541 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.760 to get this under control, I might be able to prevent these people from 542 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:24.920 murdering my brother. Well, I realized pretty quickly that I wasn't gonna be 543 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:29.440 able to prevent them doing anything because he was quarantined. And you know, 544 00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.719 I had a big bunch of big talking keyboard warriors that said I wouldn't have 545 00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:36.719 let me. I would have gone this storm in there, make a scene. 546 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.960 Stop yeah, at the door of the hospital. So, I mean, 547 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.239 you know, there was there was an impossibility. Of course, I 548 00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:45.719 would have loved it. I tried to get there. I've remacted into him. 549 00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:46.960 We don't allow I've remacted into the hospital. I don't know if that 550 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.960 would have helped him, but I tried. There was not much I could 551 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:52.519 do. And then once they put the beepap machine on him, which is 552 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:55.920 a form of eventilator, I really couldn't talk to him. So I didn't 553 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.880 know what was going on. I mean, I I you know, I 554 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:04.599 hard, and he suspected the worst, but I also in spite it, 555 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.719 but all you don't think it's going to happen to you, and so I 556 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:10.920 still was shocked. So you're telling me that even though you knew these things 557 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.079 to be this way, you still felt as though it's okay because somehow or 558 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:21.559 other, he's going to be able to come through this and maybe I can't 559 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:23.119 do anything about it. But look, the guy's healthy. He's strong as 560 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.079 a horse. Healthy as a horse, they used to say, right, 561 00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.159 so he's gonna make it. And you kind of had some faith in there, 562 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.480 but it was guarded. Is that what you're telling me, That's what 563 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:36.480 your feeling was going in? Yeah, basically, I mean I was cautiously, 564 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.239 you know, I mean I did. I didn't. I mean I 565 00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:42.199 knew that it had happened to other people, and I talked to him about 566 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.599 it. I mentioned m desert. You could never remember it. And I 567 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:46.880 had told him that, you know, the last place you want to be 568 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:51.400 as a hospital because he had a problem calling ambulances because he was a hypochondric 569 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.079 for really stupid stuff couldn't stop him from doing it right, and he had 570 00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.280 and he had socialization issues. I don't know how you would. You know, 571 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:02.400 Look, I'm not trying to classify the poor guy. I'm just trying 572 00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:07.360 to say that it was something that you knew. Everybody knew that he was 573 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:13.199 not, you know, completely functional in a social way as an adult. 574 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.840 Is that a fair statement to make about him? Yeah? He had we 575 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.519 don't know what he was on so security disability, but he best second term 576 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:24.880 and he had super OCD and it prevented him from prevented him from keeping a 577 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.760 job because he had so many issues that had to be you know, a 578 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:31.920 cater to, and of course bosses weren't going to understand that. And we 579 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:35.239 were so great. That's why I say all these people out there in the 580 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:37.199 conservatives that say, you know, get rid ofssociated. Yes, I look, 581 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:39.920 man, I knew him and his friends. There are plenty of people. 582 00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.360 Yeah, I don't know what their disability is, and technically yeah, 583 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.039 but I can tell you the people who's who like from my standpoint, because 584 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:51.400 I was as representative pay and I would have to take care of him if 585 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:54.119 not. I was very grateful for that. And there are people out there, 586 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.840 you know that that are just they're wounded in some way, they're not. 587 00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:01.719 They're not foreign perfically, they have some little something that doesn't allow them 588 00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:07.320 to function perfectly in the mainstream. And in his case, I'm glad they 589 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.800 had that safety net there and he at least got to experience a fifteen years 590 00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:15.559 or so pretty good life in a nice apartment in a nice area, and 591 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.159 uh, you know, he had a he was happy to the degree he 592 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.920 could. But it just it just pisses me off to no end that this 593 00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.280 this, And that's why I devoted the book. Tell me that I did 594 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:28.719 you know that he gave his life and along with some of the others that 595 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.159 I've interviewed, and who knows how many, maybe millions of others who were 596 00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:37.159 basically were murdered, who their lives were lost. I didn't just use I 597 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:42.159 didn't just use the word murder to be flippant or to be flashy. Here. 598 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.400 I mean it. Uh, this is what I feel has been done 599 00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:49.320 to a great many people. No offense or not trying to in any way 600 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:53.599 diminish, uh your loss. But here's a fact in my mind that your 601 00:39:53.960 --> 00:40:01.159 your brother is just among a large pile of individuals who ended up being discarded 602 00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:07.800 and destroyed by this bureaucracy, which I got to ask you about this. 603 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:13.280 Do you feel some some level of guilt for having participated in that kind of 604 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.159 bureaucracy, Not directly in your brother's death. You did everything you could, 605 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:22.199 obviously, but having been part of that system that you know has been employed 606 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.480 to destroy others, how do you feel about that? Well, No, 607 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.400 I don't feel any guilt about that, because I had I mean, I 608 00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:31.800 was certainly you see the way I am now, That's the way I've been 609 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:36.159 since I was I first woke up as a teenager. I've always been outspoken. 610 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.559 So I was bad mouthing my employer for forty four years. I mean, 611 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:43.840 I let them know how and they were much better back then, and 612 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.760 so I was constantly and the problem as they fired me before COVID came along. 613 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.599 But I would have been fired, you know, every day after that, 614 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:52.719 because I wouldn't have won the mask. I would have been taking it 615 00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.320 off constantly. I would have been talking about what a PSI epic was. 616 00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:00.440 I would have been criticizing all the stupid policies the six feet apart. Socially, 617 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.039 I would have been reported by every one there, so I wouldn't have 618 00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.519 been But that was me. That's what I did about everything else the entire 619 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.440 time, including you know, it's constantly be bad nothing to the medical industrial 620 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.800 complex even then. And I bit the hand that fed me. Yeah, 621 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:19.000 I certainly did. But I did pretty well by them until they fired me. 622 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.599 So I don't feel guilt for that. I do feel guilt just for 623 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:27.719 the fact that I wasn't there to stop them. And I realized in my 624 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.719 mind there's nothing I could have done, because he called the animals in the 625 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:31.920 middle of the night and by the time I found that, he was already 626 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.000 there. And so I know logically there's nothing I could do. Okay, 627 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.760 I know, but you still feel, you know, it's just humane. 628 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.440 Why why couldn't I stop? I got you. I am getting a live 629 00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:47.199 message on Skype right now, and I'm gonna just ask you this question, 630 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.880 uh directly, and we'll we'll handle things differently for the rest of this discussion. 631 00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:57.800 If if you say what I what I think you will not say. 632 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.960 But here's the thing. I got some but he telling me that I'm out 633 00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.559 of line talking to you like this and that I'm being insensitive to you right 634 00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:07.719 now. So do you feel that way? If you do, no, 635 00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:09.400 problem. We can shift gears. Oh no, no, no, I 636 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:13.719 mean you know what has helped me, you know, Chuck, I made 637 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.159 that decision. As you said, I went on the air the night before 638 00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:19.199 my brother died because I thought he might right, and I kind of it 639 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.679 was kind of a I guess it was a eulogy to him. I didn't 640 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.760 know it, but I was hoping somehow. I was hoping that he would 641 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:29.760 pull through. But I was all that was on my mind. And I 642 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:31.760 said, well, I got it it. It helps, It helps me. 643 00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:37.519 I've been to therapy about it. It helps me to talk out this 644 00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:39.480 stuff, and I've talked about it. You know, so many people know 645 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.159 who he is now. You know, I wrote about him one sub Stack. 646 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:47.000 I've talked about him a lot and dedicated this book to him because I 647 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:51.400 didn't realize until I lost him how much he meant to me, because he 648 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.039 had you know, I had been the big brother, even though he was 649 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:58.159 eight and a half years older than they. I had had to take on 650 00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:01.440 that role because nobody else willing to do it, and so he irritated the 651 00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:05.840 hell out of me. I would, and I do feel some guilt about 652 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.320 that yelling him, But but he knew how much I loved him and how 653 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:14.159 much time I was devoting to try to help him. You know, he 654 00:43:14.360 --> 00:43:17.440 wasn't easy to help. But I know this is you're you're certainly an idolt 655 00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:21.320 and not a line. I don't mind talking about it because it helps. 656 00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:25.000 It does help because in a way he feels alive to me in some way 657 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.519 still. Well, and the thing is part of this, yeah, And 658 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.760 the thing is that this is in my mind, this is a good way 659 00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:36.440 to memorialize you know what matters here, which is that, look, you 660 00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.440 loved your brother. Your brother loved you. You did what you could to 661 00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.719 take care of him, whether it was you know, just going to sit 662 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:46.079 down with him at Red Lobster because he loved Red Lobster, right, yes, 663 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:51.400 okay, And they would do that just and I'm sure you don't mind 664 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.519 I share this. I think you've shared him before. You guys would go 665 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:58.639 every time he got his you know, his disability check, you guys pretty 666 00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.480 much right around then would go and either have lunch or dinner at Red Lobster. 667 00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:06.199 Right. Well, what we were going to every pretty much every Sunday 668 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.960 for the last just about the last year he was alive. And it was 669 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:14.639 one of my most chair at most cherished memories because and he treated. He 670 00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:19.039 never treated for much in his life. Because he had finally qualified for Medicaid. 671 00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:21.079 And if you know again, so you know how the desk is, 672 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:22.519 you would have little money you have to have to be able to qualify for 673 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.480 Medicaid, and we managed to qualify. But because of that, I had 674 00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:30.679 to I didn't manage his money, but I had to watch his money and 675 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.760 I had to monitor what he was doing with it because you can't I think 676 00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.159 you can't have more than two thousand dollars in the bank and that qualify for 677 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.840 Medicaid. So well, that's why I had him spending for that, for 678 00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:45.639 that thing exactly. And that and also they have, um, you know, 679 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.599 a certain requirements you have to keep track of. Literally they can call 680 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.440 upon you to find out where your money's going and they want to know are 681 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:58.000 you using it towards your living expenses or you know you're going to buying beer. 682 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.920 Um not saying that climb up everybody's butt with a microscope. But you 683 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.360 had to manage that for him because at the very least, I mean, 684 00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.519 he had a little organizational issue when it came to keeping a lot of things 685 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:15.840 straight because of these you know OCD issues, right, So you know it 686 00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.719 was something that you had to assist him with, even though again he was 687 00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.320 your older brother. So I'm just trying to point out that this is out 688 00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.400 of love. This is to illustrate that this is a real person. This 689 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.679 isn't a statistic, This isn't some you know, made up character. This 690 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.760 is not about crisis actors. This is about this was your brother who meant 691 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.039 something to you, a lot of some things to you, to your family, 692 00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:43.320 to the world, one way or another. No matter what you think, 693 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:45.119 I don't mean you don I do mean the listener, No matter what 694 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:51.199 you think. Everybody's got a contribution to make. So those little memories of 695 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.440 going and sitting down at Red Lobster, I didn't know it was every Sunday. 696 00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:57.800 I thought it was every other Sunday or something. But either way, 697 00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.559 it doesn't matter. Point is that it was something like that that allowed him 698 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.920 to have a life, that allowed him to be able to go on, 699 00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:10.960 and it was snatched from him. Because why don tell me that part in 700 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:16.519 your mind. Why was it necessary for your brother to end up in the 701 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:22.400 spot he was in, And tell us about the progression, which unfortunately I 702 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.760 kind of experienced vicariously with you because I'm calling you up talking to you. 703 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.559 You were telling me about I was up all night because he went in hospital 704 00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.280 and this and that, and we went back and forth. I don't want 705 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:37.039 all the details. I'm just saying, explain to people how this kind of 706 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:42.840 turned and hit you, and then let's get into what this is the why, 707 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.880 because the why of it is going to tell us the story of who 708 00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:51.639 knows, maybe a million, maybe millions of others. Go ahead, right, 709 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.079 well, again, it was it was something. It did. It 710 00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:58.960 happened so fast, but you know, and things changed so quickly that I 711 00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.000 didn't have a time to it really, you know, hit me like if 712 00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:05.679 my brother had been in the hospitals, you know, in twenty twenty all 713 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.480 summer, basically he was in and out of nursing homes and rehab centers because 714 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:13.559 he had very minor medical issues, but it was mostly mental stuff and he 715 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.960 wouldn't take any medicine to control of hypochondria, and so he was constantly going 716 00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.280 in for things. And you know, I had two thirty in the morning 717 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:23.159 the police would call me from a hospital and say, your brother won't leave 718 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:25.960 the emergency roomedy and I called him at Uber. He wouldn't get into Uber. 719 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.480 He wanted me to pick him up. So that kind of stuff that 720 00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:31.840 was out of control. Finally we guide him on medicine, and it was 721 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:35.400 a nightmare summer. I thought him, if you're not committed, I'm going 722 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.199 to be committed soon. You know, I can't handle this. So but 723 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:43.119 once he got in the medicine, things much better, and twenty twenty one 724 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.119 was a great year for us. We had the red lobster stuff. He 725 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:49.039 stops complaining about this, and that's why I don't know what happened. I'd 726 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:52.519 be feeling that medication just started wearing off, and because he'd started kind of 727 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.039 slipping a little bit and talking about it again. But it's still a shock 728 00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:59.679 that he did calling amiens like that, especially when I've told him over and 729 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:01.480 over and that the house I was telling the hospitals were killing people, and 730 00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:07.239 he I knew he had a tendency to want to go there in my mind, 731 00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.000 and in my mind I seemed to recall it was some minor thing like 732 00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.400 he fell. He fell, yes, and that could happen. He said 733 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:17.039 he fell in the middle of the night. I don't know out of bed, 734 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.519 I know it, but you know, they checked him out. He 735 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:22.440 had no injuries from the fall. And then I had the whole thing that 736 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.880 sent me down the rabbit hole. The neighbor that met me there, that 737 00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.400 that told me that he heard first. He first he told me that he 738 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.719 heard my brother arguing with the MT people that he didn't want to go and 739 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.840 then it was okay, and that they basically forced him to. And you 740 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:38.920 know, I hear rumors Chris, Chris Graves and so's. We can't find 741 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.239 documentation for it, but there are rumors out there that they pay the EMT 742 00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:45.639 people a bonus, you know, it's for this. I don't know, 743 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.639 but it sounded like something like I So, I'm paranoid anyhow, and I'm 744 00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:51.760 thinking, oh god, this is But then when I saw him again, 745 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.639 the neighbor any kind of backtrack and he said, why didn't actually hear him 746 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.960 talk? But I heard the MT people and what they were saying, and 747 00:48:58.960 --> 00:49:00.960 that's what it sounded like. So I don't know what happened. I couldn't 748 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:05.480 ask him obviously, right And all I know is that he you know, 749 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:07.360 he said, no, there's no injury from the fall, and they quickly 750 00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:12.639 once they found out he wasn't vaccinated, they fast tracked him. See and 751 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.119 there you go, because and look, just in fairness, right, I'm 752 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:20.599 a blind guy. I've had issues with I mean, I'm not completely blind, 753 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.800 but you know, I'm very visually challenged. I have had incidents where 754 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:28.920 I've fallen out of bed and whatnot because I have night terrors and nightmares and 755 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:30.599 things like that. Occasionally I get up startled. I mean, I've had 756 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:35.440 to struggle with PTSD. So the idea that I could fall out of bed 757 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:37.880 in the middle of the night and be injured enough, maybe hurt my back. 758 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:42.440 I've had severe back injuries in my life. I aggravate one of those 759 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.000 injuries. It could be that I need an ambulance because I'm messed up, 760 00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.719 right, Maybe I need some X rays. I'm personalizing this because I'm trying 761 00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.760 to point out this could happen to anybody, regardless of whether they have these 762 00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:00.079 socialization issues or not. So the thing is a guy like this, it's 763 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.559 you to imagine that he could add a nightmare or something like that, misjudge 764 00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:07.000 something. Maybe he fell right. Um, it's not like he's an old 765 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:12.199 man. But he's also not a young young man. So you know, 766 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:17.559 here we go, a very simple thing now spirals into something else. So 767 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.800 so you know, like I say, it turns into this. And how 768 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:24.039 fast did this happen? In case people don't know, Oh so whirl one 769 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:28.239 again. They were, you know, he went in there again on I 770 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.480 guess it was a Thursday, and uh he you know, a couple of 771 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:32.800 days later, they're talking about what they're going to send him home that week, 772 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:37.280 and I was saying, well, I think you need because I realized 773 00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:42.599 that he, knowing his hypochondria, he was going to react by you know, 774 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:46.199 really needing extra care and medicaid. Wasn't going to go in there because 775 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.800 of the COVID diagnosis. He know, he wasn't sick. So I was 776 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:52.760 worried. I was. I was hoping they kept him a little bit so 777 00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.039 I but I hint, I had no idea. I had told I told 778 00:50:55.119 --> 00:51:00.119 them on the phone door and there's a very new uh VENTI later and I'm 779 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:01.960 thinking, you know, I didn't know at that point yet that they were 780 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:07.000 actually they would just ignore you saying that, Yeah, I figured, well, 781 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.840 if you're if your hands on and you know what you're talking about, 782 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:13.000 Well, then they can't do it. But little I didn't know what was 783 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.440 quite as bad as it was. And then they ended up and went behind 784 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:16.800 my back. Once they had I was only able to talk to him for 785 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:21.360 a week the last week he was because he had the VPAT machine on. 786 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.119 Ian really couldn't talk. And I also I didn't realize at the time. 787 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:28.760 It was just after talking to Sheila, Stephen, a couple others. You 788 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:30.800 know, I don't know if he was eating that they probably were starving him 789 00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:34.800 too, because apparently that's a feature as well. And I don't know, 790 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.239 but I suspect they probably were. Yeah. Look, my second wife long 791 00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.159 before this COVID thinks she had a heart attack and they put her on one 792 00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:44.159 of those machines, and then I wasn't able to get there. So I'm 793 00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:45.800 trying to talk to her over the phone so I can identify with this, 794 00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:52.960 it's like impossible to communicate. And now they've broken any ability for you to 795 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.840 go there and say, write things down or relate it to him, you 796 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:59.320 know. I mean, I guess they could have tried to facilitate that with 797 00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:04.639 a little Skype call back and forth, but they're not there. To facilitate 798 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.599 things anymore. It used to be they would try to go out of their 799 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.320 way, right you know, somebody, look, can you bring this person 800 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.480 a cell phone and I'll talk to them over the cell phone, or they 801 00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.920 could send me a picture or something. And you know what, they don't 802 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:22.480 do that anymore. Now. The default policy is to appear as though you're 803 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:27.280 facilitating this kind of stuff, but not really get it done. So you're 804 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.559 kind of helpless. You're sitting at home. You're usually the guy who helps 805 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.039 out with this kind of stuff with them, and now you can't. So 806 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:38.480 it's about the change of policies. It's about the change of posture when it 807 00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:43.000 comes to the hospitals dealing with people. It's about all this all the way 808 00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:45.960 around, and not just at the hospital. So you go through this, 809 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:51.920 and of course you were doing your own studies about what was happening. And 810 00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.079 again to get to the conclusion about your brother. You know, how long 811 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.480 was it because I know in between when we did the show, we used 812 00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.280 to do a show on Wednesdays, guys. So on Thursday I talked to 813 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.840 Don on the phone. I think about this where he's telling me what happened. 814 00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.320 Then there was as you just described this, you know, consternation over 815 00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:14.400 the weekend, what's going to go on? Things are happening, And in 816 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:20.280 fact I got the sense from you that you thought he was getting better and 817 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.400 he was going to be able to come home hyperchondriac or no pneumonia or no, 818 00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.440 it didn't matter because they were probably gonna let him go from the hospital 819 00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.440 despite the fact that they were keeping a lot of people no COVID, we 820 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:37.360 gotta keep you. You felt as though, at least on the positive side 821 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.880 with the medicaid thing, they will cut you off for anything that they can 822 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.400 figure out to cut you off for, you know, money saving measures on 823 00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.559 stuff like that. You know, a congressman gets an itch in his throat 824 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.679 and he's at you know, the best hospital in the world for three days, 825 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.320 examining and giving them different things to gargle with and the best medicine possible. 826 00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.320 But you know, for the rest of us on a government approved healthcare 827 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:05.559 program, it's like, let's see if we can cut the cost. Let's 828 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.440 see if we can get this down to the only thing that's going to be 829 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:13.639 profitable for the institution, and that's that you are a number. So you 830 00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:16.400 figured that would work in your favor here, because they'd want to kick him 831 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:19.880 out, and if he got him home, at least you could help him 832 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.199 with whatever it was he needed to do to deal with whatever the actual problem 833 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:27.679 was gone? Or Am I wrong about this? No? Yeah, and 834 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.159 said it happened so fast. Again it was I was. I was hit. 835 00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:36.320 I was blindsided by it. And again I didn't even though I was 836 00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:38.719 mad at him for calling the hospital, for the first week or so, 837 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:43.639 I wasn't real concerned because I was still talking to him. He was saying, 838 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:45.599 well, they might send me home. This is so I figured he'd 839 00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.559 becoming home some But then suddenly he's on the VPAP machine. I can we 840 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.320 can't really talk to him. I'm hearing different things. Well, we don't 841 00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:53.719 know why the you know, his oxygen levels are so low. And I've 842 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.559 learned so much since then. This is it's a pattern. They do the 843 00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.320 same thing. They diagnoses them COVID pneumonia. They put them on a BPAP 844 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:04.920 machine machine, and when they try to get what they don't like it and 845 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.119 they try to take it off. They put these big wooden things, tape 846 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.280 tape, wooden things on their hands so they can't touch it, and then 847 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.280 when they keep hitting themselves with it, they finally tie their hands down. 848 00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:19.519 They did all that to my brother, and I didn't know until they did 849 00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:22.159 do a zoom call. They let me do a zoom call. The last 850 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:23.320 time I saw him a lot, well, I saw him the last day 851 00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.920 when he was out of it. But he was, and you know, 852 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.679 I couldn't believe it. And that was the day before, yeah, the 853 00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:32.039 two days before he died a day. So how how long let me just 854 00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:38.800 get this real straight, Okay, how long between you're hearing your brother coherent? 855 00:55:39.320 --> 00:55:44.719 Strong? You know, maybe there's something a little wrong, but he's 856 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:47.280 in a hospital. He's in a hospital. Excuse me, I'm getting a 857 00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:53.599 little nauseous from the headache here. Sorry. The thing is that you have 858 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:58.159 this, you have this situation where he's strong, he's coherent, he sounds 859 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:05.280 like himself. How long between that and now he's unreachable, he's just laying 860 00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:07.920 there. How long did that take? Week? Less than a week? 861 00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:10.559 I mean, because he was only in there. He went in on January 862 00:56:10.599 --> 00:56:14.960 sixth, and he died in January twentieth, so he in two weeks. 863 00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:20.519 He went from perfectly healthy hypochondriac. But asymptomatic. No, no cough, 864 00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:23.199 no, nothing like that, No sign of COVID. And again he was 865 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:28.800 sup behind such a hypochondriac. If he had felt a scratchy throat or runny 866 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:30.159 knows, any little thing like that, he would have been calling me up 867 00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:32.079 and saying, do I sound a horse? And he would have been one 868 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:37.119 through all the panicking about that he was getting a hole. None of that, 869 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:39.039 he wasn't. He simply he had some kind of a fall which he 870 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.320 didn't understand. He couldn't explain. There were no injuries from it. I 871 00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:45.440 think he realized he shouldn't have called the ambulance. It was too late. 872 00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:49.440 He probably did try to back out of it. They pressured them. He 873 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.280 was easy to pressure, easy to bully. He wasn't going to fight back, 874 00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.360 so it was easy for them to get him to go. They probably 875 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:57.519 said, oh, I just would check it out. That best, just 876 00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:00.639 to change his take in and we'll run tests and then you can go home. 877 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.400 That's usually the kind of delivery, right because they've decided that you now 878 00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.719 are more profitable to them to bring in, and that way they can charge 879 00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:14.280 up a few things. Medicaid will definitely pay for all this so they haul 880 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.719 you in. Now, look, I'm done hovering on this because that whole 881 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.440 story, you guys can go back and listen. I'm sure it's in your 882 00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.679 archives over on your website. I'm sure that they can go back on sub 883 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:29.440 stack and look at it in real time and see what happened there. Because 884 00:57:29.480 --> 00:57:32.039 by the time I got in touch with you again for your next Wednesday's show, 885 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.039 things were starting to look rough and we weren't sure what was going to 886 00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.679 go on, and it was a struggle for you, and I think you 887 00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.400 canceled that next Wednesday show. Maybe you did some other stuff in between, 888 00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:50.079 America Unplugged or whatever, I don't remember, but the thing was, you 889 00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.559 were kind of in flux. You weren't sure what you were going to do 890 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:55.280 because you wanted to handle this. A lot of your time was taken up 891 00:57:55.320 --> 00:58:00.920 with it. But while this is going on and afterwards, you learned a 892 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:04.199 great deal and a lot of this ends up getting folded into this book. 893 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.719 So again, back to the book, and I hope I'm not jumping too 894 00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:13.239 fast here and disrespecting any of your story, but I'm trying to make this 895 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.679 as compact as possible, because they need they need if they're interested in the 896 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:22.559 truth about this and seeing that they're not alone because they've suffered through something like 897 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:28.079 this, they've known somebody, they had a family member, whatever, you 898 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:32.000 need to know that a you weren't alone and be this is a grander agenda. 899 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:37.199 So go ahead, don run with it, and we'll remind him again 900 00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:40.360 where to get the book and what to look at before we're done. But 901 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:44.800 please go ahead. Yeah, that's and that's why. So when I know 902 00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:49.400 when I came back, it wasn't until my brother died that I decided I've 903 00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:52.480 got to finish this book. It triggered me and I really and it was 904 00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:57.320 actually not even him dying, of course, But then I decided, as 905 00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:00.440 I talk about it, I write about it, and I wrote Losing my 906 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:05.519 Brother to the Medical Industrial Complex, which probably still has more reads than anything 907 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:07.599 I've ever written. So it has published a lot of places, you know, 908 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:12.280 lou rockwell, I think, and a lot of places people published of 909 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:16.559 course on subspact. But I got so much feedback. I don't want to 910 00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:21.519 talked about it on Facebook because they didn't. They didn't really block that on 911 00:59:21.559 --> 00:59:23.480 Facebook. I like I talked too much about COVID. I just talked about 912 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.360 losing them, so they let it get through. So I got I heard 913 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.280 from so many people, and it was it really did help to hear from 914 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.920 so many people who had gone through the same situation he told him. So 915 00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:36.679 many people told me I was a good brother and it shouldn't feel guilty, 916 00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.920 and it really helped, and it helped. It was very cathartic, and 917 00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:44.000 it still helps. I still hear people from people regularly. Hey, I'm 918 00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.760 so sorry what happened to your brother? And now just one more interruption here, 919 00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:50.360 don I'm sorry, but I want to point this out because again, 920 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:53.599 people are scumbags too. I know there's a great deal of supportive, decent, 921 00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:58.360 wonderful people out there, but other people were being scumbags to you as 922 00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:01.840 well. So maybe should address that real fast about how you know, people 923 01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:07.000 that don't know Jack shouldn't really be sitting there and criticizing and attacking other people, 924 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:12.159 because you had some of that going on, not only maybe with some 925 01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:15.960 of the public people approaching you, but maybe even personally. If you if 926 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.199 you want to address it, go ahead. If you don't, don't, 927 01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:22.280 But I think it's part of the story that needs to be entered here. 928 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:27.199 Yeah, well, you know, it's again I heard that there were I 929 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:30.960 mentioned there were a few keyboard warriors that were saying I wouldn't I wouldn't have 930 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.760 done it. They would have been able to keep me out of there. 931 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:35.480 You know, I would have gotten him with guns blazing and I would have 932 01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:37.239 grabbed my you know. Again, they don't understand right now. I also 933 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.360 had weight. But you all said people that were like, oh, this 934 01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.079 is your fault. Yes, yes, well that was mainly. That was 935 01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:49.480 mainly, uh, you know, through the family grapevine again, because that's 936 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.920 that's another thing about you. And I've talked about this before, is it. 937 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:58.519 Although I hear from people every day that it's just I become jaded by 938 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.800 it. You know, they talk about how much they love something I did 939 01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:04.639 one of my books. Are they love listening to me on my podcast or 940 01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:07.360 some show or or sub stack whatever. Oh I love it when you're on 941 01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.880 with Billy Ray. You gotta do that, Bubbo. Yeah yeah, yeah, 942 01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:14.159 yeah yeah yeah, So I I I hear you know. So it's 943 01:01:14.199 --> 01:01:17.400 great. But all those people are strangers everyone. There's not anybody that I've 944 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.280 ever known in real life. There's not like some guy I worked with thirty 945 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.280 years ago. I went to school with his never's never any cousins anything like 946 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:28.679 I got. And in my family life, everybody but my son. My 947 01:01:28.719 --> 01:01:31.079 son is wide awake, and I thank God for him because he's he's he's 948 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:35.760 a great comrade to have. He knows what's going on, and it's great 949 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.920 that we share that in common. But other than that, some of the 950 01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.960 family tolerate me and they just kind of but but some of them I know 951 01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:44.639 or opposed to me. I've been canceled by one of my knees, canceled 952 01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.519 mem and I had I was you know, that was basically what I heard 953 01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:53.280 when it happened, is that basically they blamed me because he wasn't vaccinated, 954 01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.400 because he listened to me, because you miss him. You know, Yes, 955 01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.000 it was my fault basically. So it's like, but I get that 956 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:05.480 that didn't but that doesn't I feel guiltious on the fact that it's just natural 957 01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.920 that I I don't know what I could have done that I still would try 958 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:12.039 to stop him, But I don't feel guilt about that because I'm obviously I 959 01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:15.480 wouldn't have written this book if I wasn't absolutely one hundred percent sure that This 960 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.480 thing is the greatest sie up in the history of the world. The vaccine 961 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:23.800 is the eugenicis dream. This is a design to finally call a herd, 962 01:02:23.800 --> 01:02:28.159 which they've talked about doing forever, and apparently they're doing it. So I 963 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.519 don't for one second regret And I never as I told him. I didn't 964 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:35.400 tell him not to get vaccinated. I never did. He knew how I 965 01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:37.280 felt about it if he had gotten vaccinated. Everybody else in my family, 966 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.800 but my kids did. Well, Look, Frank, brutality here, okay. 967 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:45.039 Brutal brutal honesty, Okay, is what I'm going to lay out on 968 01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.360 you and everybody else right now. Bottom line is this. Whenever a family 969 01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.440 member dies and somebody doesn't think it's pretty much through the natural course of things. 970 01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:57.159 They were just really old. It was their time, so to speak. 971 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.199 Whenever that happens, I'll tell you on firsthand, secondhand, third hand 972 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:07.920 and fourth hand experience. Okay, the family tries to play the blame game 973 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:10.679 one way or another. Okay. I could tell you that personally through my 974 01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:15.199 father's suicide. I was four years old, right Okay, I've told you 975 01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:17.360 this story a hundred times. One way or another. You know, there 976 01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:22.159 are people that blamed me as a four year old, you know, the 977 01:03:22.199 --> 01:03:27.039 pressures of me being around because I was a handicapped child. That's what caused 978 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.480 my father's suicide. Right. No, But I'm just saying that the ludicrous 979 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.679 level that people will go to to attach it to. It doesn't matter if 980 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.800 you're an anti baxer or you're you know, whatever it is, or you 981 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.239 encourage them to ride a motorcycle. He died in a motorcycle crash. It 982 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:45.679 doesn't matter. They will find a way to lay blame on somebody, anybody, 983 01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:51.119 a doctor, the next door neighbor, the person's spouse, the kids. 984 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.960 They'll do it all the way around. You know why because they have 985 01:03:54.159 --> 01:04:00.639 some sort of horrible guilt within themselves one way or another, and is the 986 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:01.840 only way they know how to deal with it. I'm telling you, if 987 01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:05.480 they can lay a suicide on a four year old, that's pretty bad. 988 01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:09.880 That's a good sport stuff. I didn't realize that, that's just that's horrific. 989 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.480 But this is the way people behave I'm just saying. So the whole 990 01:04:13.519 --> 01:04:17.199 thing about Don's family, for the course, Yeah, no, it is. 991 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:23.639 I what you the one thing you you it comes here. You know, 992 01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:27.239 I always thought I had a pretty close, loving family. I didn't 993 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.679 know, I just but I you know, you eventually at some point realize, 994 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:33.360 well, god, they're not that great, you know, especially when 995 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:38.960 you especially when things like this happened, and basically they're since my writing career 996 01:04:39.079 --> 01:04:41.800 took off to whatever extent it has, but the fact that you know that 997 01:04:42.199 --> 01:04:45.000 people know about me and I have people like that guy that wrote you. 998 01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:48.280 There are people like that out there, yep, that and they have never 999 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:53.440 adjusted to that, and they just prefer to pretend it's not happening. They 1000 01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:56.599 don't. They don't, I mean, they're they don't think it's cool that 1001 01:04:56.679 --> 01:05:00.719 I'm friends with Susan Olsen and the Brady Bunch or John Barb, real people, 1002 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:04.159 and I think that's really cool, and I value it pretended to happen. 1003 01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:10.480 No, because you're just you're just the annoying weirdo uncle nephew or whatever 1004 01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:13.840 the hell. It doesn't brother. It doesn't matter because that's all you are 1005 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.199 and that's all you're ever going to be to him. And that's fine. 1006 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:18.280 It doesn't matter. You you could be pre you know, like you see 1007 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:21.719 this on TV shows all the time. Dramatized, but it's a true thing 1008 01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:27.280 that they dramatize. You could be the president and you're You know what, 1009 01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:30.039 as far as I'm concerned, you're still the jerk that I gave noogies to. 1010 01:05:30.280 --> 01:05:33.440 You know, it doesn't matter, you know, So no matter what 1011 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:38.239 you accomplish in life, this is where strangers are better than your family, 1012 01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:41.760 you know, because they'll at least adjust for what it is you've done and 1013 01:05:41.840 --> 01:05:45.760 judge you by the you know, the actions of your character as opposed to 1014 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.599 the BS. So anyway, please continue though until the rest of the story, 1015 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:55.079 because hell of a learning curve you went on and again your skepticism guiding 1016 01:05:55.119 --> 01:06:00.199 you this tragedy now guiding you. All comes together in this book because people 1017 01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.800 needed to know the truth about the eugenic agenda, and go ahead late lay 1018 01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:08.639 out the rest of why the hell it is people need to read this book. 1019 01:06:09.039 --> 01:06:11.960 So two, Part two is going to be a more familiar story than 1020 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.559 others have talked about. Lots of these writers have talked about. Naomi wolf 1021 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:19.440 is an I quote from us UN great work on the Fiser documents talking about 1022 01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:23.960 what's done to reproductive organs of women. We already know what it's done. 1023 01:06:23.960 --> 01:06:27.639 That's just to sasterone levels of men and what all this has in common. 1024 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:31.320 I don't really bring transgenderism into this book, but I think it's all part 1025 01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:35.400 of the eugenesis agenda because it's hard. The eugenesis want fewer people, that's 1026 01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:40.639 their entire goal. So if they can kill people with a deadly vaccine, 1027 01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:44.039 that's fine. But if they can also make it impossible for the people that 1028 01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:47.960 survived to reproduce are very difficult, that's great too. And if you bring 1029 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.599 transgenders, I don't think it's an accident that the transgender thing exploated right in 1030 01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:56.960 the middle of COVID because what's what do they all have in common? The 1031 01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:01.039 vaccine, when it's not killing people's messing with their reproductive organs, whether it's 1032 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:03.679 male or female. So it's making it harder for them to have babies and 1033 01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:09.519 miscarriage raids like ninety percent or something for women that have had all their vaccines. 1034 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:12.679 But you and you throw the of the transgenderism. What is that doing? 1035 01:07:12.719 --> 01:07:15.639 If girls become boys and boys become girls, not gonna have any babies. 1036 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.000 So the entire thing I there you go, So you know what, 1037 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:23.719 don here's the deal. We're going to take just a really quick break, 1038 01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:27.079 come right back and tell people why. At the end of the day, 1039 01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:30.719 there is never any reason to let a perfectly good tragedy go to waste, 1040 01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:38.559 or to make sure that you can't tie all of your negative agendas of death 1041 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:43.920 into a coherent program all at once. Donald Jeffreys is my guest. 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Is one with 1075 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:47.439 you? Join them? First? Join them? This when you speak to 1076 01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:49.880 them, speak to them as if you were a member of them. All 1077 01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:58.119 speak to them in their language. I'm their little going to check o'jelley, 1078 01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:09.119 your sucker, Shelley. You know it's shark, your Shelley. You are 1079 01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:13.239 about being bargained upon the great crusade. The eyes of the world are upon 1080 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:16.800 you. The hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere match with you, 1081 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.960 in company with our brave allies and brothers in arms on the other front. 1082 01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:28.000 Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, 1083 01:11:28.319 --> 01:11:34.079 well equipped, and battlehearted. He will fight, save and demand. The 1084 01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:41.399 tide has turned the freemen of the world are marching together to vignery good luck, 1085 01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:45.960 and let us all these things of blessing of almighty gods upon this great 1086 01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:57.039 and noble understanding. Devilation to conversation. And we're back with author Donald Jeffries. 1087 01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:00.760 And he has a new book out now. He's always right new stuff, 1088 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.880 so you never know which one is out when. But a big stack 1089 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:08.079 of books over there if you check out his author page on Amazon or wherever 1090 01:12:08.159 --> 01:12:14.159 else you go to buy books. But I always recommend Survival of the Richest. 1091 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.960 I stand by that that's the best. Still, Don, sorry to 1092 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:20.600 tell you, still the best book you've written, But fine, I'm glad 1093 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:25.720 you. Yeah, I might agree with you. But this one is it 1094 01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:30.439 is another entry into a valuable library of stuff that that Don has written. 1095 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:34.560 I've got to get myself a physical copy of this thing. I have a 1096 01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:39.359 digital copy of it, but it is available physically and digitally or is it 1097 01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:42.880 just a digital book? It is, But for some reason, the Amazon 1098 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.199 and Barns and Doubles pages are split up with the electronic and paper version. 1099 01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:48.239 But they're but they're both out there. You just have to You might have 1100 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.000 to find them on different pages. Okay, I didn't know. I was 1101 01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:55.279 just asking. So we'll try and give you guys links to both of those 1102 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:59.439 things so you can get it either way. But I am recommending this book 1103 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.880 as well. Uh, definitely on the must read list when it comes to 1104 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:08.199 Don Jeffrey. So one more time, what is the name of the book, 1105 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.479 and tell people about substack and all that, and then we'll get a 1106 01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:15.359 little wrap up excuse me again, upset stomach, A little wrap up on 1107 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:21.279 the on the story altogether of just this book alone. Go ahead, Okay, 1108 01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:26.600 Masking Masking the Truth how COVID nineteen destroys civil liberties and shut down the 1109 01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.600 world again. It's available everywhere if you go to my substack, Donald Jeffreys 1110 01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:34.359 at substack dot com. It's called I Protest, just like my Friday live 1111 01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:39.359 streaming show every Friday from five seven and Eastern on Rockman dot com America and 1112 01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:43.359 Plug both call I protest that if you go and support me, subscribe to 1113 01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:47.319 the substack. That's the only place they're allowing me my presence to grow. 1114 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:50.319 I am growing there and getting more people. There's a pay option, but 1115 01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:56.319 everything's for free there more a lot more people are offering. They're paying, 1116 01:13:56.399 --> 01:13:58.680 which is pretty cool, but you're not getting you know, I'm a populist, 1117 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:00.920 so there's no paywall. You get everything for free. But if you 1118 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:02.680 want to help, hey, that's cool. So you can sign up for 1119 01:14:02.960 --> 01:14:08.079 free over there if you like. But if you want to support Non's work, 1120 01:14:08.239 --> 01:14:13.279 you can do that as well with a monthly donation through or a monthly 1121 01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:17.520 pay so to speak, through sub stack. But and that does help support 1122 01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.880 don his work in general and just you know as well being So I definitely 1123 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:26.359 suggest that you do that if you can afford it. Right now, it 1124 01:14:26.560 --> 01:14:30.039 is available for free, but I would suggest that you do that. I'm 1125 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.680 sure that you have a PayPal button somewhere if people want to make a one 1126 01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:38.640 time donation but also buy his books. All of it. Everything helps, 1127 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:41.960 right, yeah, everything, And I really appreciate. Again, I understand 1128 01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:45.239 money's hard to come by, and that's why I've written many times that the 1129 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:49.399 free things that don't cost you anything. You can suggest my books to your 1130 01:14:49.399 --> 01:14:51.680 libraries. I mean, I get a sale that way, it doesn't cost 1131 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:56.119 anything. You can review and rate them on Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, 1132 01:14:56.319 --> 01:15:00.079 good Reads. All those things count to get ratings and get my book numbers 1133 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:05.039 because people the way to get more readers. Most people are followers. That's 1134 01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:09.920 why I don't want to discard Amazon totally. Because Amazon has those numbers that 1135 01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:13.319 people see. I don't really like supporting them, and I get less money 1136 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.880 from Amazon, but those numbers are important and that attracts publishers and attracts people. 1137 01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.560 People like Hidden History right now has over six hundred ratings on Amazon, 1138 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:25.199 which is really good. It puts it, you know, up and rarefied 1139 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:28.560 air. So that's why it continues to do better than the others because people 1140 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:30.600 see that and they think, oh, there must be something to that book. 1141 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:34.399 But you know, uh, you know, Buliocracy has like forty nine 1142 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:38.520 or something, So people see that and they you know, they don't, 1143 01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.439 they don't. They don't blink too much because it's not that impressive the numbers. 1144 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:44.239 So the more ratings, the more numbers you can get, you know, 1145 01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.159 and Amazon, you don't have that to review it anymore and just give 1146 01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:49.720 it a five star rating or whatever, and people see the number of ratings, 1147 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:53.600 they'll react that way, and they'll help me that way. Again, 1148 01:15:53.600 --> 01:15:57.000 it doesn't cost you anything, So lots of free ways you can you can 1149 01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:00.359 help and appreciate and lots of that stuff. He'll suit the podcast as well 1150 01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.560 if you go and you rate them or you make comments over on Rockfin. 1151 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:09.880 All that stuff is helpful and Don's in all those all of those platforms. 1152 01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.319 So you go to rock Finn, you give him a rating, You go 1153 01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:14.479 to Apple, you give him a rating, you go to Amazon, you 1154 01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.439 give him a rating. You know, all of this stuff counts and does 1155 01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:23.199 help to raise the gravitas, so to speak, of the individuals. So 1156 01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:26.640 yeah, support Don's work in all those different ways. If you can throw 1157 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:30.600 a few dollars on it, that's always helpful, but there's lots of freeways 1158 01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.680 to do it as well. So back to the story of this book Don 1159 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.399 just to sort of wrap it up, so to speak. Of course, 1160 01:16:38.439 --> 01:16:41.439 we didn't cover even a fraction and what's in it on the show tonight, 1161 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:45.920 but the very personal story, one of the key motivators, one of the 1162 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:51.119 key inciting incidents, if you will, Points of ignition was definitely the personal 1163 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:55.920 tragedy, but your observance of what goes on because you know, you might 1164 01:16:55.960 --> 01:17:00.399 actually give a crap about people you know other than yourself as well just saying 1165 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:04.279 you know, I know people accuse others of not but whatever, here's the 1166 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:09.800 deal. You see what's happening to society. You see what's happening to your 1167 01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.039 fellow man. I know I'm not supposed to say that anymore, but you 1168 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:16.560 see what's happening, and you needed to speak out. So you are and 1169 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:23.159 you're doing it. And doctor Tenpenny writing your introduction very important, very key. 1170 01:17:23.199 --> 01:17:26.760 I wonder who will write the introduction to part two? Do you have 1171 01:17:26.800 --> 01:17:30.560 anybody in mind yet or do you not want to announce that to part two? 1172 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.159 What do you mean part two? I'm never mind. I'm saying, 1173 01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:38.199 will it be a sequel to this book? Oh? Well, you know 1174 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:41.840 it's it's appears to be a never ending story, so they certainly could be. 1175 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.000 But I've got you know, I'm writing a book on Garrison and JFK 1176 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:48.359 with a couple of other people, including William Law, and we're working on 1177 01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.039 that now, A Hidden History three, which I think it's going to be 1178 01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:56.000 called something else, but I think Skyer's going to publish that that I'll be 1179 01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:58.880 hearing about that dirty shortly. So I've got other things going on. Hidden 1180 01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.960 Hisstery four, which again Chris Gray's contributed greatly that too, that's out there, 1181 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.520 and I'll christ starn't working on that next. So I always got a 1182 01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:09.880 lot of projects in the fire, right right, excellent, So always good 1183 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:13.000 to hear. But you know, the final capper on this story about this 1184 01:18:13.039 --> 01:18:16.720 book, though, you know, why is it necessary? Why is it? 1185 01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:20.159 I mean, why does Don Jeffreys need to get this word out? 1186 01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:25.199 I mean, is it really just the personal issue or is it something that 1187 01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:30.760 you feel a responsibility just as somebody who can observe and relate this through your 1188 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:34.760 skill, your specialized passion. Is that the reason for it or do you 1189 01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:41.079 have other reasons in mind here or is it just merely the personal issue that 1190 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:45.000 is the prime mover here, the primary motivator for you to write this. 1191 01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:49.439 Well, it's a combination, but certainly the personal motive was what compelled me 1192 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:54.840 to finish it. Yeah, it definitely inspired me to plug forward to make 1193 01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:59.640 sure I finish the book. Excellent, all right, So the short answer 1194 01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:01.760 there, don I really appreciate you taking the time tonight. I know I 1195 01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:05.159 took you past the hour, but what the hell? I think it was 1196 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:09.840 necessary to flesh all this out, and I appreciate you being patient with all 1197 01:19:09.880 --> 01:19:14.359 my interruptions and all that stuff and one more time for the record. More 1198 01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:18.239 than happy to support Don Jeffreys. I hope you guys are too okay and 1199 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.520 all that good stuff, and I'm gonna I'm gonna have to send you when 1200 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:24.960 I send out my swag packages, I'm gonna have to at least send you 1201 01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:29.000 a couple of o'celly network pens. We've got a couple of nice pens that 1202 01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:30.960 are coming in with swags, so very cool. I'd like to give you 1203 01:19:30.960 --> 01:19:34.960 a little writing instrument to remind you of you know, your your participation and 1204 01:19:35.079 --> 01:19:40.279 involvement, because even though your show isn't making a home here anymore, I 1205 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:43.239 still consider you, you know, part of the extended family, so to 1206 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:46.960 speak, so you know here we are, and don't forget guys, you 1207 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:50.079 can get involved in that there. Nothing is for sale. None of these 1208 01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:54.319 are for sale, but they are available as thank you gifts for those that 1209 01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:59.239 choose to support the network here which the Donald Jeffrey Show was part of. 1210 01:19:59.680 --> 01:20:02.800 And Don is welcome on my show obviously grave show, and who knows, 1211 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:08.479 maybe we'll get you on Aaron Frownze's stuff and some of the new hosts who 1212 01:20:08.479 --> 01:20:14.279 are about to join Okay, so you're definitely welcome over here on Ocelli dot 1213 01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:17.199 com and really grateful for you taking the time with us today and writing this 1214 01:20:17.199 --> 01:20:23.760 book. It's a necessary entry into the information stream. And thank you Don 1215 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:28.000 Jeffries for doing all that and also being with us today. Oh my pleasure. 1216 01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:30.840 Thanks check. Anyway, guys, no matter who you are, where 1217 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.680 you are, when you are, remember this, I am merely Ocelly. 1218 01:20:33.920 --> 01:20:36.680 All of you are the effect. Good Night,