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Sit down beat and here's at six
am this morning. I'm Kevin Turner,

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Danny Baylis, Mike siroyd Our,
producer Day Maddie in for JJ. I

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know a lot of people did have
to work today MLKDA Happy MLK Day to

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one and only. But we came
in anyway. We're here to seize the

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ratings. We were supposed to be
off. We're supposed to be all boys.

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You know. They tried to make
us take They tried, they did,

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and they told us no if you
if you work, you're not getting

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any extra vacation days. So don't
be thinking along those lines. You know

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what we said, we don't care
deal. How can you not work after

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what happened yesterday? That's not what
I said, Well, argue for the

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comp day At a later date,
I said, I don't want to talk

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about this now. I'll go talk
about this with someone else. I'll probably

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let's see what happened to standard.
It's very stagelard, but I don't fight

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things anymore. You know it Socks
is Carpe Omnia seize everything that was kind

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of badass. He did, like
the Carpe Omnibus sees everything that's kind of

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a badass. And now they burned
it. Well, they seize the loss.

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Geez, that's over. I don't
even know what to think, man,

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Jerry said, he's floored. So
you know, I know we've been

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beating that topic in the ground.
I do think something Garrett said there he

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will support the players and coaches for
twenty four forty eight hours. That's also

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code for we will be having meetings, you know, and we're gonna really

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think about this. And I don't
know, man, there might be people

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going, dude, you're not gonna
want once out there run it back,

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repair a few things. How does
that work? Do you? How do

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you run it back? If that
is the result of these meetings, And

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just like us, it's fresh,
the wound is gaping. And like I

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said earlier this year, I know
when they got punked by the forty nine

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ers, Jerry smashed the rocks glass
in his hand, gritted his teeth and

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said, I will not forget this. Blood trickled down in the suite.

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And now you went through the rest
of the year, you got a bunch

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of wins over poor teams. Mostly
what was their best win of the year,

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I mean, the only playoff teams
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Rams, and one other. Seattle
was, like I said, didn't make

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it, but they were. Seattle
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that I think they and they were
only like one game over five in the

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playoff conversation and looking at it at
all makes sense now because you couldn't win

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on the road, and top teams
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to them, but that was their
that was their their best win. So

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you can argue that they beat bad
teams. They did it sort of impressively

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to probably, you know, miscalculate
how good they were and how good we

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thought they were. And now you're
the first number two seed ever to lose

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to a number seven seed, and
you did it to the youngest team in

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playoff history at home, a place
you haven't lost since what September of twenty

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twenty two. Yeah, embarrassed,
Kevin. I have a question for you,

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and I know that your answer will
be opinion and not you know,

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fact, sure, but okay,
first thing is how this will be a

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fact. How many years did McCarthy
coach the Packers? So I think seven

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to I believe seventeen, ten years, I believe, yeah, ten years.

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Maybe it was eighteen. Yeah,
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Here's a for a long time.
Would you say that had Belichick been the

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coach during that span, they would
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That's a tough one right there.
So what's wild about this is they had

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after the one big super Bowl,
which was in year three or four of

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Aaron Rodgers, okay, and he
went on a gigantic heater. They were

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the sixth seat, like the Packers
are the seven this year, and they

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were entering the playoffs hot and their
offense could not be stopped. It was

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a little similar to this, to
be honest. And they went through and

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won a super Bowl, but they
nearly missed the playoffs that year, and

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then after that they went fifteen to
one that next year and lost in the

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first round of the playoffs at home
to the Giants. They have some terrible

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playoff losses to the forty nine ers. Yeah, I would say some of

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those games, and maybe it's having
a defensive minded coach. They're involved too,

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you know, I do think it
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would have gotten more playoff victories.
I absolutely do believe that, and I

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can't believe him telling you of that. The twenty fourteen NFC Championship game is

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worth a rewatch if you're one of
those people who really cares about this is

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all the fits. Go watch Packers
Seahawks twenty fourteen NFC Championship game and watch

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Mike McCarthy lose that game. And
it's going to get blamed on the hands

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team on an on side kick for
the Packers, and that's fine, but

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decisions were made along that game that
make you go, geez, if we

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didn't have nonsense going on, then
we win that game. So maybe they

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do get to another Super Bowl.
Playoff failure after playoff failure after playoff failing,

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dude, outside of that one year, so I don't know, man,

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I mean think the year they wanted
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It was one of those Ben Roethlisberger
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I got big questions about them.
They've Okay, this sucks because we

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sit there and I were tough as
last week, Like dude, when the

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defense gives up, we're very easy
on dan Quinn. But I don't know,

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it's on dan Quinn and Mike McCarthy
to have these guys ready to play

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and both of them failed. And
I don't know that dan Quinn felled us

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last year in the playoffs. Give
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team. Pretty good job. So
I don't know, man, there's no

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clear clear answer here. Is it
risky? How risky is it to go?

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Okay? Well e scirey McCarthy.
I mean you're resetting the offense a

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little bit. That's what I'm asking. Like, those meetings that happened today

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or tomorrow as pretty standard for an
NFL front office, I think to do

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a pretty thorough assessment of everything that
happened this year. How do those meetings

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end with we keep Mike McCarthy.
Let's assume dan Quinn is gone because he's

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gonna get a head coach, Like, how do you justify that? Obviously

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the regular season success is nice,
and then you always get back to the

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questioner, wait, no, we're
the Cowboys regular season? Who cares we

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belong to the super Bowl? And
that's just a weird feeling that people around

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here have and it's probably rooted in
expectation and there is pressure on Jerry in

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the front office to get that goal
accomplished. But how do those conversations after

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what happened yesterday, How does that
end with them justifying Mike McCarthy just remaining

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as head coach and then what's the
I guess fan reaction. The truth is

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the fan reaction will be bitching online
and then buying tickets all year next year

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and ratings through the roof and nothing. You know that, which is why

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we the fans, empowered Jerry to
continue doing exactly what he wants to do

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and never actually hold him accountable because
all the matters is how much money is

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in your pocket and how much you're
willing to hand over, and next year

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it'll be all the same bs.
So we're just as much at fault as

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Jerry Jones is for the state of
this the malaise over this organization. If

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if if we lose yesterday twenty one
sixteen, are we going you could just

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get rid of McCarthy and have Dan
quinnby the head coach and figure out the

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offense. Probably yes, you know, yes, if the defense played well

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and just shined and the offense sucked, then we'd probably say, yeah,

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you know what, get rid of
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might have been in play. Yesterday
before kickoff and help it could still be

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in play right now, in play. It could absolutely be in play.

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That in two days, Michael McCarthy's
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coach of this team. And you
say, yeah, they had trouble in

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the playoffs. I don't think you
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losing Digs in LVE meant something.
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of your best run defenders. Boy, that might be the favorite. Might

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it might be crazy and maybe you're
going, well, maybe Kellen could come

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back run the offense. There's a
lot of things you could say. I

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was looking at a Vegas website right
here, Belichick your leader at odds name

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we haven't mentioned second Nodds Bobby Slowick. He is the offensive coordinator for your

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Houston Texans. And I'm not gonna
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yeah, you gotta go get Bobby
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He went to high school at Green
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assistant. That's how he got in
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But he's moved on and he was
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Shanahan years. So he was at
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Kyle Shanahan coaching staff in twenty eleven
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and then he transgressed, and then
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last year in San Francisco to the
offensive coordinator for Houston this year. And

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you're gonna see his name and he
might get hired Ben Johnson the Lions oh

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season, and who's gonna be get
hired. But that's a type of offense

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and a part of this that no
one wants to hear, and no one

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wants to hear it from me,
a lifelong Packers fan. A part of

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what happened yesterday is you might have
just ran into the wrong team at the

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wrong time because they hadn't been anyone
good lately. But they did go beat

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the Chiefs earlier in the year,
and they did smoke the lines on Thanksgiving

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Day, and they did turn into
a good team in the last two months,

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and Jordan Love was a top three
quarterback in the NFL in the last

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two months in the season. Maybe
you just ran into trouble and your best

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option is to run it back,
because maybe you do. If it was

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in week eighteen, if Sam Darnold
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the field, maybe you beat the
Rams yesterday. You know. Yeah,

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but this this culture around here is
not about giving credit to the opposing team,

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you know. And we haven't done
that really much all day to day.

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And I think there's a lot of
merit to what you're saying, Kevin,

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too. They were really, really, really good and had a superb

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game plan and their players played exceptionally
and you'd mentioned that their two top receivers

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didn't even show up. They weren't
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incredible. But they had a great
plan and they stuck to it and they

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seemed to want it more. And
I know that's so cliche to say that,

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but they came out with a puncher's
mentality and they showed it from the

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coin toss on the decision that they
made, they had a great deal of

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confidence that they were going to receive
that kick and go and effing score and

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put the Cowboys behind early, which
we know the Cowboys don't play well from

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behind, and they just kept piling
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You knew it. What dude,
we all knew it when the Cowboys were

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down by fifteen in our heart of
hearts, we knew they coming back from

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this. Not the way they're looking
and how they gave up, you know,

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the way they looked giving up fourteen
points. They're not going to win

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this game. And it is so
cowboy and Cowboy fan to be so narcissistic

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to believe that it's all on us. Yeah. Not, we just got

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whipped by a better team yesterday.
And there's a great deal of truth to

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that, because all you do is
think who's got to get fired? Deah

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doesn't have it? Which it all
fits. Yes, it all still kind

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of makes sense. But maybe you
just ran into a team that believed they

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were that fin team, which all
feeds into why, after almost thirty years

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of pretty much ineptitude making the playoffs
only half of those of those years and

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most of those appearances first round exits
that this team continues to sell tickets,

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sell jerseys, have people racing from
the front doors, running over each other

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to get to a spot where they
can't even see the damn field, where

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they are the most the highest valued
sports franchise in the world in a number

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five market. You would think that
market would have a lot to dictate there.

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But I mean, the Giants are
in the biggest market in the country

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and they're two point five billion dollars
less valuated than the Cowboys, And but

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and they haven't done crap? Yeah, you know, how is how in

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the world is that it? Do? We still do? The people still

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keep propping up this business venture that
Jerry started some thirty odd years ago because

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football is the most popular thing in
the world. But why are the Cowboys

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the most popular thing in the world. Why this can't just go back to

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tech Shram's vision now, it can't. If the dip in popularity that should

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be the result of lack of performance
were to happen, it would have started

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happening by now. And it still
holds. Oh it through the damn ceiling

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always. There's a reason why Baby
KK is on every damn game that the

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that Fox gets. They're the premiere
game every damn week. Why I don't

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get it? And the other thing
I never got was they showed like the

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Gang Bang ready to talk to Jerry
at the end of the game. Right

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and whoever straight hand. Oh,
it's the only place you see that in

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Dallas. But I mean we and
even us at our previous spot, we

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weren't like insane critique, you know, we were fair critics of the Cowboys.

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We weren't like the ESPN national screaming
about everything like Dallas is a kind

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of a chill smart radio market.
But why is it? Why are the

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Cowboys what they are? If at
least the radio outlets aren't like insane screaming,

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it's just the national media that kind
of does that. How many owners

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are visible? Five? Six?
How many owners of NFL teams can you

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name? You've seen them? Going? Well, I can name Arthur Blank,

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and I can name Bob Kraft and
that's you know. You start Georgia

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Frontier, yes, and you start
running out her names pretty quickly. She's

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what ninety two or something like that
alive. I don't think Georgia is still

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with us. I could be wrong. What's the Ford lady? What's a

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McKinley or something? I don't know? On my NFL team run by old

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widows old as lady widows. Yeah, I say we take the safety in

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round three? I don't know,
ling the ball like in my day,

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we ran the ball. I formation
I don't know the answers these questions.

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Well, I don't know. Damn
get it. I don't understand it.

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Either way. This is way more
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higher when Garrett was gone. And
you know what, I'll say this to

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today. By the time we get
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like, you know what, this
is fun, It's what it was and

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McCarthy needs to be the coach.
Okay, I don't know. There'll be

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a lot of people saying that this. I've warned people about the whole time

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that this is going to happen though, because he does have a lot of

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disappointing playoff losses on his ledger,
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I'm in the boat and let's get
weird, man, because bringing back McCarthy

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right now boring. It is light
it up, dude, dyon, who

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cares. Let's have fun, get
weird with it being crazy. I do

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not Gromo. I mean, I
think that would fail, but it's you

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know, Ben started out witting Asness
coaches his high school team the state titles.

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You know, I don't go have
Belichick, Witton, and Dion would

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Deon take a DC. No,
No, he wouldn't. He's got to

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run the show. But like I'm
just saying, get weird. I just

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mentioned that he popped up on that
odd sheet Jim harv that I kept going

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think going back to Jim Harbaugh for
whatever reason last night as he meets with

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the Chargers today, going he probably
just perked up and went, Oh my

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god, I can't believe it.
I can't believe Dallas job's opened. All

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those guys. Maybe Bobby Sowick's the
name, dude. Every team that has

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one of those McVeigh offense guys,
including McVeigh, Matvilefloor in Green Bay,

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Zach Taylor in Cincinnati, Kyle shannan
San Francisco, all those guys are running

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a play action pass misdirection. Mike
McDaniel's in that boat. All those teams

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are in the playoffs every single year. Yeah, and in the case of

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Lafleur and McVeigh doing it on a
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sure, especially McVeigh. I mean, they went all in, gave all

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their draft picks up, just to
sold their soul to win one Super Bowl

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and they're already back in it and
we're tough out yesterday. Yeah, playing

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above their heads, and that doesn't
happen here. You got you gotta make,

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you gotta, you gotta cut the
cord here. You don't have to,

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You don't have to hire anyone this
week, but do you, because

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if you talk about the bottom line, it will not be affected. If

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they give their confidence the McCarthy and
some press conference tomorrow and keep him,

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nothing will change on their bottom line, right, true, nothing. They're

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still gonna be worth nine billion dollars. Right. So I guess that freeze

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Jerry to actually do what he thinks
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And if that is the case,
you'd be you'd include saying no thanks

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to the winningest coach of all time
who's sitting there, available and probably next

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to his phone today. Okay,
So, as indefensible as that performance was

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yesterday, earlier I said I think
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and by move him in firing,
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I think he kind of spread this
out because we have said her and

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talked about it a lot today and
then Skinner going to talk about it and

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Jeff Cavanaugh and Kevin Gray are gonna
talk about it after the MAVs game this

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evening with the MAVs and Pelicans today
here on the freak early game and talk

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about this stuff. And I think
those storylines are going to keep extending themselves

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all week. And that is how
they've continued to be number one in the

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world and everything, because they are
always in the news for no matter what.

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It's rarely a quiet offseason. This
is the quiet off season we've had

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in years. Do you think we
had one Jerry sexual assault obligation? Holy

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was. Do you think they would
fire McCarthy without having his successor essentially picked

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or agreed? I don't think so. I don't either, and honestly bad

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business to do that. If you
have McCarthy for one more year and you

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know he can get you twelve,
let's just sit here on this twelve wins

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that we know we're gonna have next
year, right, Not that you like

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McCarthy's good at building a program.
He needs to go to Washington in Carolina,

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you know that's where he needs to
get Philadelphia. If they fire Sirianni,

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that's good for McCarthy. Well,
I don't even think we have enough

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time. We haven't done much DAK
talk today. But then it's very wide

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open. But just the does he
shrink? Does he? You know he's

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not a big game hunter, you
know, I don't know. I've seen

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him go win games for them too, though you have think about the means

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five years ago, running and getting
tumped over and uh end over it and

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head hits the ground at the one
yard line, you know, running the

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ball, putting his body on the
line. He's won some he's won some

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big games, but in one playoff
win, not two two and this and

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yes, But the other thing is
most all those other playoff losses were kind

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of close. Yeah, you know
there was either last second or pretty close

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to it. Go smack man.
There's also kind of no shame in losing

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to the forty nine ers last couple
of years. No, not at all.

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They're really good. Not at all. This is the first one that

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you expected to win. You thought
you were the better team, you were

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at home, you had the experience
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you got throttled. Yeah, and
I don't think that's something that you can

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go into a meeting today. If
you're Jerry Jones and be like, you

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know, I thought about it.
We're good. Does this lost taste any

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better if the Packers demid the forty
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good and beat them. It just
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it does? That goes back to
Kevin's point, and we don't even know

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who this Green Bay team is,
and maybe they're really good. They're on

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the come. Yeah, yeah,
Kevin, they are. Look here's the

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other thing too. Okay, here's
what Dak could do. You want to

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say, face, keep your reputation
and go have a better chance of winning

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Super Bowls. You can take a
contract extension that violates everything the NFL Players

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Association would want and take way less
money. Pull an old fashioned Dirk Davinski.

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He ain't doing that. And then
they have forty million dollars to play

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with on free agents. I mean, because ceed's gonna go get paid like

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a high end top maybe the d
top wide receiver in the league Micah Parsons

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will go get paid like the top
EDG Rudger and the EDG rusher in the

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league when it's time. So all
those things are like, well, Dak,

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you can make that better on your
end. But at least one text

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or said, I blame that idiot
for making that Green Bay Green Day song.

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I can't stop singing America idiot without
saying Noah Igbinoghany walking around my house

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for days now. So the Green
Day cover band Green Bay Yeah, takes

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one bullet for this loss. We'll
see if we never got to hear from

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the popular San Francisco cover band forty
nine inch Nails yep, that we may

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have drummed up a song from had
we still been alive. Maybe forty nine

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inch Nails and Green Bay will have
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check the internet for that. We
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But also I'm hearing this. Sorry. We'll see what happens tonight on Monday

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Night Football, because I know I
was so excited about the debut of forty

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nine inch Nails Megaphone. I kind
of see the song from the from the

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other band if they win tonight from
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a song this week. We'll see
Tampa Day. You're maybe gonna see Kevio

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out on inwood smashing watermelons with a
sledgehammer, but that's not gonna happen now

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either, so many best laid plans. It's a yeah, it's a ripple

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effect, McCarthy's ripple effects. Yeah. I told you guys, McCarthyism was

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bad. He did. Take get
out of here. We're gonna be back

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tomorrow morning, six am. Thank
you Maddie for coming in and running the

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running the board for us today,
for Mike's Roy, for Danny Bayless,

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I'm Kevin, for Kevin Smith of
NBC five and joining us as well.

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That was really cool for all of
you who popped on the phones with us.

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We appreciate what the been and skin
show. Coming up next, we

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have MAVs basketball and I know Jeff
Cavin and Kevin Gray are gonna have a

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little presentation after MAVs basketball today.
So a full day of fun here on

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ninety seven one the Freak. We'll
be back tomorrow morning at six am.

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Everyone be safe out there. We
love you. Goodbye,