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The following presentation is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back truth seekers from around

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the world. It's time for another
edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast.

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break. It was great to see
people in person last weekend in both Oklahoma

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City and Waco. If you'd like
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an interview. All right, with
that being said, let's kick off tonight's

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podcast. Joining us from North Carolina
is Jonathan. Jonathan, how are you

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doing pretty good? Good? You
enjored I'm doing great, and it's a

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beautiful Friday night, a little chilly. This is I think the last cold

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night we're going to have for some
time. I think it was fifty today.

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It's going to be close to ninety
on Mondays. So typical East Coast

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weather. Oh yeah, very good. So go ahead and introduce yourself to

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the audience. All right, Well, like you said, my name is

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Jonathan. I'm out in western North
Carolina, currently enjoying a little spring rain.

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Been out here about four years on
a piece of raw land that my

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wife and I bought in twenty twenty. I believe before that I sort of

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lived everywhere. That's a big part
of my story is just moving around a

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lot. I grew up in New
York, originally till I was about fifteen

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or so, and then my father
got a relocation on his job out to

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the West Coast. Wound up in
California. And that was the big first

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culture shock, leaving New York and
ending up on the West Coast. It

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was like the first eye opener.
I think, too, Okay, there's

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a lot going on in this world. It wasn't that long before I hopped

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on a Greyhound bus and headed back
to New York because I didn't want to

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leave, you know, being a
teenager, you don't want to leave where

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you're at. And I just figured
that was the way to go back,

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all right, I can get the
money up and get a Greyhound ticket.

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I think I was about sixteen and
didn't have a great time being back there,

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ended up back out wet and started
traveling around the same time, and

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that was pretty much the last twenty
years of my life was being on the

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road, traveling, living in a
lot of different cities, the multiple different

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countries at certain points. And I
guess the connecting factor in that is being

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a musician through that and touring with
the band, multiple different bands, and

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that being my main source of income
was music and performing music. So and

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I'm sorry, go ahead, yeah. So, I guess at some point

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through that music I ended up in
a pretty abstract border town in southern Arizona,

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and that's where I met my wife, and we had some land out

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there with a big group of people
up on a mountaintop, and eventually I

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guess that fell through and we decided, well, we're trying to put roots

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down somewhere. Let's go where there's
water and soil, and we could we

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could build something and raise the family, and now I'm here and that's kind

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of that's kind of how it all
happened. That's really interesting. That a

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lot to take from that. First
all, what part of New York were

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you in? I grew up in
Queen and Notatuck County on Long Island,

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so pretty close to the city there, God dot quite Manhattan. But and

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then what part of California did you
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California, in the suburb of LA. That's interesting. I mean, I

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understand the East coast West coast thing, but I always I mean, I've

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been through LA a few times.
I've not spent a lot of time there,

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and I wouldn't think what was the
biggest adjustment from going from one big

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city to another. Was it just
the attitude the way of life? Well,

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I did end up in a suburb
of LA that was being built up,

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so it's kind of a melting pot
for a lot of people who had

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enough money to buy a new house
because it wasn't a very big area and

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grew a lot, so it I
guess, you know, the high school

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I ended up in maybe had three
or four thousand kids in it, whereas

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in New York, I mean maybe
there was a thousand. You know,

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it was a culture shock in a
lot of ways. Where I grew up

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was not an area of wealth,
and I ended up in a place that

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was mixed up but had a lot
of people that there's a whole different kind

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of thing going on. You know, kids were driving cars up to the

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school that you know, I hadn't
even seen before, you know, like

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it was kind of strange, right, And I grew up in a pretty

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rough area where people grew up young, and where when I got out WET,

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I was years beyond the development of
my peers, so that was also

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kind of ostracizing, you know.
And I know that was the biggest culture

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shock, was just how everyone seemed
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Yeah, that is interesting, and
I know how impactful it can be

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to move during your high school years. It'd been in the military. I

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saw it firsthand, and you know, children would be very upset. Especially

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There was actually a rule in the
military. I think if it's your child

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senior year and you're on orders to
move to PCs, you can actually get

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that waved for a year, because
you know, children are resilient, but

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you know in that high school timeframe
where the friends are so important to them,

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that can be a very tough move
for some of that age between like

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thirteen and seventeen. Yeah, the
reason they call it transplanting. You know,

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if you've ever had a garden,
there are certain times where it's a

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delicate operation. Yeah, exactly,
that's a great analogy. Yeah, that

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is tough times now living in a
You said you lived at a border town

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in Arizona with other people. How
was that? It was fun? It

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was a bit strange because the landscape
was so I got all right, So

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I'd gone down to the desert every
year of the southwest of the US every

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year for probably ten years before landing
there. It was sort of just a

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pilgrimage I would make as a traveler. You know, you go down to

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the southwest in the winter where it's
warmer and there would be work down there,

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So you know, I'd end up
down there living in that town.

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It's a really strange place. There's
a very very large mining operation that happened

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there in a massive mine of the
Queen Mine, and so it's a very

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kind of like like I guess science
fiction people would be like it's an alien

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kind of place. It's high up
my lands. There was sixty five hundred

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feet up on a mountain you could
see Mexico, mostly New Mexico and Arizona

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all at the same time, and
it'd kind of been taken over by say,

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artsy types, you know, gotcha, So it's Renaissance. Was a

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lot of the hippie generation that kind
of just figured out it can get some

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deep down there and started you know, arted and painted and that type of

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folk. So a bunch of oddballs, you know, the wild, wet,

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easy need to be there. No
one really had any money, you

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didn't need very much, so interesting
time. Yeah, the reason I asked

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is because I get a lot of
emails from people who almost say, I

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wonder what it would be like to, you know, have that type of

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living conditions with like minded people where
you just go out by one hundred acres

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and you know, you build some
buildings. And because, to be honest,

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the way the world is headed right
now, people are looking for places

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to kind of hunker down with like
minded people. I'm sure it has its

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benefits, but I'm sure it also
has its drawbacks as well. There's no

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perfect Uh, you know, there's
no perfect living style. I guess right.

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Yeah, that utopian idea has been
on my mind for many a couple

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of decades. That's probably why I
ended up like that. For sure.

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You mentioned twenty twenty is kind of
when you you know, went but your

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land. I'm assuming you're right there
by the Tennessee border, kind of on

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in western North Carolina towards Yeah,
the great area by the way. And

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was it a coincidence it was twenty
twenty or did you see something coming which

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basically happened. Well, it's a
coincident, but not a coincident that was

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totally uneducated, I guess, you
know, living down there in that town

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in Arizona, I had already been
hip to a lot of the things going

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on in the world. And one
interesting part is the road that led to

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the land we lived on was about
a mile or two long up the mountain,

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and there's only one road up and
the only other place up that mountain

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was radio towers that the government had
on top of that mountain. Really,

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so there was always this kind of
eerie vibe on the back side of the

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mountain. Knowing that that's why the
road was maintained, and you know,

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there's an intensity there in that town
that is unsettling. There's a lot of

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for lack of better words, like
supernatural lore and dark energies about it.

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Well, that's one of the reasons
that I was deathined to leave there.

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And in twenty twenty, it was
really obvious that I needed to go find

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a safe place to be. And
I'm not sure if I would have if

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I hadn't been in such an odd, dark type of place. If that

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makes sense, Absolutely, it makes
sense that was there a certain reason that

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led to that you chose North Carolina? Was a property taxes? Was it

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the affordability? Well, so,
I guess I've traveled just about everywhere in

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this country, so I had a
good idea of what was out there.

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You know, I've been to just
about every state, been through most every

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city in the country. You Know, I knew I didn't want to live

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in a city. I wanted to
be far out of the city, and

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I knew that there are certain places
that were beautiful that were inhospitable. You

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know, I'd lived out in Oregon, southern Oregon and northern California and Washington,

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and I knew I needed land.
I needed a place where you could

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homestead, a place where you could
get water. You know, we were

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all on rainwater catchment in Arizona.
We had probably thirty thousand gallons of rainwater

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catchment on the property. And my
wife happened to be from about two or

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three hours from where we're at now, so she was in love with the

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Blue Ridge Mountains already and they were
very valuable to her in her heart.

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And I had toured with my band
through the area here before and had gone

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out into the mountains, so I've
just kind of intuitively was looking at a

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map, I think, with her
one night and we said, well,

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we got to go somewhere. Where
are we going to go? And we

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just looked at the map and I
looked everywhere and there was red flag here,

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red flag there, And it was
like, well, I remember that

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place being pretty pretty good. Let's
go out there, you know, Let's

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go look, and you've got the
land and you're literally building from scratch,

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right, you just bought the land
and you're building the house yourself. Yeah.

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I mean we hopped in our little
pigup truck we had at the time

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with our two dogs and just drove
straight across the country without anything, picked

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up some work in Texas around Austin
to get some money up, came out

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and just started out in the mountains
out here to see what the land was

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like. And we figured, Okay, well we don't know how we're going

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to make it happen, but we're
going to do it. So we went

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back out to Arizona and said,
all right, we'll stick it out through

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the winter and then when it warmed
up, we're going. And then by

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the time it warmed up, the
pandemic had, you know, gone off,

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and it wasn't so much. So
that was the coincidence part. You

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know, we were already playing and
do it, and it just happened that

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the timing of it in the state
of the world is like, well,

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you weren't wrong, do it now? Yeah, I saw one of your

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six silver bullets. Was intuition,
and I think I was the same way.

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Leaving Texas week we got to Delaware
here February fourteenth, and I think

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twenty nine days later is when the
pandemic kicked off. So similar stories,

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and I guess as a musician,
Austin is obviously a great place, one

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of the music capitals of not just
the country, but the world. Are

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you a rock and roll guy or
you a country guy? No, I'm

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not a rock and roll guy.
I wouldn't say I'm a country guy.

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But what I mostly played was older
music, old early jazz, early blues,

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Americana, really folk and stuff like
that, from you know, going

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all the way back to the late
eighteen hundreds into the a lot of nineteen

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twenties stuff like Kansas Joe and Memphis
many that kind of stuff. Yeah,

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they're in there. Of course,
a lot of jug band tunes is where

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it started. And then I got
living in New Orleans for a bunch of

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winters and really got into the early
jazz. So that's really cool. And

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you know, it's interesting because a
lot of the people I met up with

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last week at the live shows,
many of them are musicians, which is

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interesting to me. A lot of
people in the truth community also have a

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passion for music. Uh, maybe
there's a critical thinking link in there with

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music. Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not surprised. That's the that's really

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interesting. So let's talk about a
little bit about your your journey to the

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truth. I guess what was kind
of the first rabbit hole did was your

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parents were they Were they conspiratorial minded
for lack of a better words, or

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is it something that you kind of
came into on your own. Yeah?

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No, absolutely the opposite. It's
almost the laughing matter how how much that

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is not true. Uh, I
get I've got one brother, and both

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my folks and my brother are very
much, I don't know, cut from

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the same cloth. You know,
they think a lot alike, and I

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was always kind of the odd one. I get they definitely were not conspiratorial.

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I didn't pick it up from them, you know, I picked it

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up from from just from being I
guess kind of fair. You know.

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I was kind of just out there
in the world, and you just got

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to adapt everywhere you go. You
know, my life has been a lot

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of moving and adapting and learning what's
going on here? How do these people

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act? You know, what's this
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What's this kind of music? What
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over again, and also being free
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guess it just kind of jives with
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I think about this because I listen
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about what the first thing was.
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that to me, and I've been
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when it started exactly, but I
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or fifteen. I'd been living down
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on our way down to rent a
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then we'd stay there about five months
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of we're in one place for that
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somewhat to the nine to eleven stuff, because you know, I grew up

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right next to that, and the
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year that happened. So there was
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felt like I just made it out, you know, like I just got

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out of the pot before it boiled. And it was kind of felt like

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that. And I remember I was
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Orleans and a bunch of people in
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bed that I'd made out of scrap
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from house that was getting torn down
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and throw it out. At the
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there and I was sitting there on
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videos and I had a buddy at
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because he was real like minded.
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video and I don't know how I
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on flat Earth, and the fella, I can't remember his name, I

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don't know the video. He was
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that was sitting in some sort of
like like it almost looked like a TV

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show. He was doing like this
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all this stuff and I was looking
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at right now? Like I don't
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I'll just I'm just interested in stuff. And he started talking and by the

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end of that video, I had
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in circles. I was thinking,
what did I just see? Like why

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does that make so much sense?
Yes, what's going on? You know

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it didn't, It didn't immediately,
but it's hard to think about. I

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guess that's that's something that you don't
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But when you really try to visualize
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a lot of sense. Like you
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level because water is level everywhere else. That's right, and it's easy to

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visualize that. But then there's certain
other parts of it that are so they

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could be so normal, but because
we're so indoctrinated with the globe and with

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all of the science fiction and all
the movies you know, we put we've

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had all that stuff put in there. It's like it's almost like trying to

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make up a new language or just
speak a language you don't speak. You

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know, there's a capacity we have
in our brains, and I'm sure everyone's

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different, but to get to a
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it. So I just kept looking, and I spent that whole winter just

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going down that rabbit hole and I
went deep and you could find anything at

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that time. I'm sure you know
you talked about it before, but there

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were plenty of videos that you could
look at ye from all different perspectives.

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People do an experiment, you know, it was just the wealth of stuff

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up there, and I think twenty
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and that was the first thing,
like the flat earth was the first big

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like red pill or whatever you want
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To me, that blows my mind
when I hear people say that, because

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I guess for me, like I've
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things to realize I've been lied to
that I thought, you know, maybe

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it's possible. I mean, everything
else is a lie. It just impresses

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me that it is some people's first
red pill. And when you were talking,

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I was imagining myself because it is
life changing. And I'm not being

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dramatic. I remember, just like
you were saying, walking around in circles

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and thinking what what just happened?
That this can't be possible. And we

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got into email just I think two
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they were at Bible study, I
guess this past Wednesday night, and I

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think he brought it up and it
just the place melted people left and the

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pastor you know kind of you know, browbeat him. And so to me,

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when when something sets people off like
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and it is so many layers to
it, through television, through through commercials,

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through the Internet to logos. They
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to whereas if it's challenged, it
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like David Weiss says, it's the
quickest way to lose the respect of your

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friends and family. Absolutely, And
I do want to say on that topic.

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You know, I lived very much
like in a weird place with society.

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You know, I chose the life
I had. I wanted to travel,

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you know, I lived on the
street for many years. I lived

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in bushes and trucks and road treight
trains, and you know, I wanted

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to do that because that's that was
what it was inspiring me, and that

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was me being an adventurer, you
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I lived in the fringes with a
lot of people who were not quote unquote

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normal, you know, a lot
of people who had wrote off a lot

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of parts in society already. So
those are the types of people that I

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would meet in my life, people
who were not accepting of the Nords you

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know, and I think like the
Illuminati. And you know, when I

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started to learn and look at money
and feel like currency and really see what

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was going on there, I had
been through that for years without knowing I

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was going through it. You know, We'd be sitting there playing music on

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the street and it's just easy to
see society and the darkness and the light

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and all of it is moving all
around you. And the people I was

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around, you would think would be
really accepting of an idea like the flat

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earth. They'd be like, what
tell me about that? What's going on?

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Who's lying to us? But it's
just so big and so deep.

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I mean, I remember the winter
that I learned about it trying to talk

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to first couple of people I tried
to talk to you about it. We

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were sitting out on Stoop in Orleans
and looking up at the moon and I

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said something about the moon and this
girl just looked over at me and laughed

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in my face and made me feel
like I was like, whoa, And

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that was weird, you know,
Like I was just like kind of putting

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this pepper in this in there to
see what shook loose, and it was

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not a good reaction. You know. And then I had another buddy who

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I brought it up to you,
and he just got angry, like like

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genuinely angry with me, like a
friend of mine, you know, a

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dear friends. And uh that that
was like another whoa, like what's going

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on here? You know? Like
and then and then I started to look.

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You know, Luckily there was videos
out there at the time where other

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people were sharing like your podcast does, which is what I think is really

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cool about it, Like, yeah, people are gonna get mad at you,

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like people you love are gonna are
gonna do like weird like mental gymnastics

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to try to like not hear what
you're saying. He ended, It's very

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strange. Agreed. And one thing
I've noticed I should mention, Uh,

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there there's some big names in sports
and entertainment that have kind of come on

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board the flat earth community. But
one thing I noticed, and then I'm

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talking the big names out there,
they don't get to the nuts and bolts

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of it all. They don't mention
that it's all about hiding God. Well

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yeah yeah. And if they do
mention that you're not gonna hear it necessarily,

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I maybe maybe it flips out here
and there There's plenty of people who

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have been onto something really big and
it flips out. A lot of those

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people disappeared. You know. I
don't think that the people who are that

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wealthy and that famous, when they
turn onto something like this, you know,

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they know to be careful. I
mean I would know. You know,

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you got to. You gotta be
careful of this world. You know,

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you can't. You can't prop up
the our government and and the and

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the the globalist agenda can only be
propped up by tyrannical forces. Like you

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know, you can't just pop out
and say hey, you know, and

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if you do, you got to
be willing, you know, either be

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mocked or be credited, or lose
your job or worth or you know,

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they're consequences, you know, speaking
up, Yeah, there is. But

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the more of us who get on
board, I think, yeah, the

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less people will be. You know, there's power numbers, as they say,

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And especially in a time when every
single week you see d C sending

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out billions of billions of dollars to
other countries, that you think people would

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care about what little funds are left
in this country. And then one of

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the arguments I try to talk to
people about is the slush fund that is

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NASA, And I know you had
mentioned NASA is one of your six silver

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Bullets. Did you want to speak
on that? Yeah? Absolutely, And

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I agree you think that people would
get it's not outraged at least a conversation

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going about where all this money's going
or you know, it's those big things

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like chemtrails, billions and billions of
dollars going to other countries, especially when

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you know this money is going somewhere
and there are people who stand on peace

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and you know, I guess you
know, the left side of the aisles

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who are like yes and all this
money like, well do you realize where

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this money is going and what it's
doing? And now so is the same

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thing. You know it, you
know it. It blows my mind that

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those big things get swept under the
rug. It's it's not really surprising anymore,

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but it hurts my heart a little
bit to see it because people will

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just turn off, you know,
they'll just turn off like it's just too

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big. You had someone on your
podcast the other day that was talking about

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words in the Bible and and I
think they said some long lines of like,

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well, that's one of those Biblical
words it's just above my head.

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You know, I don't get it. You know, I think that little

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nippet, that concept of like,
well, I just don't get it and

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I can't think about it. Yeah, that critical thinking, that thing that

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you really need to say, No, I'm gonna think about it, and

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I I and I'm going to trust
myself to know that I'm an adult or

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I have a good head on my
shoulders and I could think about this thing.

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You know, that little thing right
there, I feel like is what

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keeps a lot of people back from
opening up and being truly open minded to

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making a decision and being convicted and
what they're doing, you know. Yeah,

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and that's really that reared it's ugly
head. During COVID whither, you

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know, I'm not I don't know
anything about medicine or germs. So they

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just went along to get along.
Absolutely. That was another not to get

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too far off the NASA thing,
but that when you know, when the

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COVID thing happened, there were lots
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You know, people in my community
is that I would never think would

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just kneel down and do what they're
told. And I was literally in my

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bucks, driving across the country looking
on the internet and seeing people that I

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was living with posting pictures of their
vaccine cards, and I was just like

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holding my head, wringing my hands, thinking what what is happening? Like

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you know it? What is this? You know what? What is this?

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What is this deception? How could
how could people be going along with

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this? You know? It blew
my mind. And the NASA thing that

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was one of my silver bullets,
because you gotta get there, you know.

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I think right after I looked at
the videos of flat Earth, which

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I never really stopped doing. But
the moon landings was another thing like,

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oh my gosh, like I always
knew it didn't seem right. I was

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too young to have seen it on
TV, but it was just part of

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you know, I'm thirty seven years
old. So if you're anywhere in that

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pocket, it just was in your
life. We went to the moon,

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it was dangerous, some weird stuff
happened, and we haven't gone back.

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You know, that's just a narrative. It's just like if you're a kid

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growing up and you're told, uh, you know, a horse is a

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cow and you call it a cow
or whatever. You know, you don't

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know any better. It's just part
of the story of the world a you're

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living in. So that was another
big one. When I started looking into

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that, I was like, well, what do you know, Like these

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these folks are are really like you
know, that taught me a lot about

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compartmentalization because a lot of people when
they ask, well, how are they

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getting everyone to go along with this? Now, this was the perfect example.

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So there's a lot of people that
work for that company. Now you

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think that everybody who works for every
company and he knows what the CEO knows

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or where it's pulling the strings,
they don't know. Someone might just be

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answering phone, you know, like
someone might just be really good at build

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an engine. So they build an
engine, they send a rocket up and

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they're told whatever they're told. You
know. Uh, it blows my mind

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that they're putting that much money into
it. But you know, when you

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really look at what money is,
it's just an easy way for them to

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keep going. Is the money,
you know. I think actually some people

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are probably proud that some of their
money is going to NASA because they think

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they're doing good stuff, you know, and literally it's you know, obviously

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you know, if you believe the
official narrative, then man's greatest accomplishment is

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going to the moon. But NASA
in any way, shape or form,

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really truly besides a prideful event.
You know, sorry to use that word,

411
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.599
but you know, for lack of
a better words, well, what

412
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:54.519
has NASA done to better humanity?
Yeah? Great question. I mean that,

413
00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.599
you know, my generation I'll speak
for I'm sort of a Generation X

414
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.880
but millennial. At the same time, there's a lot of people that are

415
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:15.200
my peer group age that are just
into it because it's the thing. You

416
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.880
know, it's the narrative, it's
the religion, you know, pseudoscience as

417
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.000
a religion. It's like there are
a lot of people out there who might

418
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:28.960
go to church that don't really have
the foundations of what that might mean.

419
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:34.200
And there's a lot of people that
follow NATHA and science fiction and all this

420
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.160
stuff that are part of it and
interested, but they don't really know what

421
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:40.880
it means either. So there's just
a lot of people kind of going along

422
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.799
with a lot of stuff. Especially
after the Internet and all the short detention

423
00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:50.559
span things, it's like everything's in
the periphery. There's no focus, there's

424
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:54.920
no light of sight anymore to anything. Yeah, one hundred percent. And

425
00:33:55.319 --> 00:34:00.119
you know, as we were talking, I went back and I think of

426
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:04.559
the stories that they had to create
to continue the lie and to keep Americans

427
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.880
invested in NASA. Apollo thirteen,
of course, was the big story.

428
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:13.119
Mechanical failures. They had to use
the gravity of the moon and all the

429
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:20.840
subtle stories that they create to reinforce
their pseudoscience, like gravity and globes and

430
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.960
the moon being a physical thing that
we can land on. And something I

431
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.960
always forget to mention if you guys
Google, I'll put it in the show

432
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:35.599
description the Robins medallion, which anytime
they have one of these missions, they

433
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.199
create a medallion. It's got three
horses on it. It's in Latin,

434
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:45.360
which again the Roman Empire never died, it just went underground. Some really

435
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:51.679
interesting stuff. But again, they
have screenwriters. Really it almost seems like

436
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.880
that do create these stories for the
world stage to keep people bought into this

437
00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:01.320
thing. Yeah. I mean,
like I've heard it said on your podcast

438
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:06.880
before, every rabbit hole leads to
this. You know, you have this

439
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:09.679
podcast separate from your other for a
reason. You know, it's a different

440
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:15.119
room. And uh, you know, if you've ever been down in the

441
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:20.599
cave and crawl through and stuff.
Only certain people are going to go certain

442
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:29.199
thought you know so far, and
you know that Hollywood, you know,

443
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.239
is a rabbit hole that leads to
this. The Roman Empire, you know,

444
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.360
they all lead to it, and
they all intersect at different times.

445
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.159
The world stage is wild. It's
one of the things that honestly hurts my

446
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:50.119
heart the most. I think that, you know, the chemtrails people on

447
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:58.760
the world stage speaking, uh from
every angle. It really does blow my

448
00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:01.760
mind, I think more than some
other thing, just the math deception.

449
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.320
Yeah, and as I get older, it saddens me to say people to

450
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:13.519
see people jump onto the hook line
and syncer every single time. And I

451
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:19.400
really you know, even again,
people who weren't really awake before understood there

452
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.159
was something nefarious about COVID. But
people are still quick to choose a side,

453
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:29.760
whether it's Israel Palestine or Russia Ukraine, you know. And of course

454
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.079
now things are heating up. It's
twenty twenty four, so you still have

455
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.840
people champion and the right or the
left. And it just bothered me that

456
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:44.000
people can understand that it's that's all
it is, is a show. It's

457
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:49.880
to keep you divided while the people
at the top continue to just absolutely pillage.

458
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.880
And this hyperinflation is intentional because I
do think that they are afraid of

459
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.840
a bit of an awakening. So
if they raise the prices on insurance and

460
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.519
things you can't control, you're right, you have to you have to have

461
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:05.079
auto insurance. You can't just cancel
it, right, just like an angry

462
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.599
shopper or I'm not going to shop
here anymore. Where you still need insurance

463
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.719
for your home, you need insurance
for your car, and these type of

464
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.360
things. So they're able to tight, you know, tighten the nooses in

465
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:17.960
the matrix to make you work harder, to give you less time to have

466
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:25.679
these type of discussions. Absolutely.
You know, my my folks are a

467
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.880
good example. You know, they're
busy in their lives. They're born in

468
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:37.679
fifty nine, both of them.
They've led very similar lives. They're going

469
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.119
through the motions. You know.
Maybe my dad worked six days a week

470
00:37:40.119 --> 00:37:45.800
when I was growing up, and
my mom worked as well. They didn't

471
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:47.639
have a lot of time and they
and in the time they did have,

472
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:55.360
they were told but think and that's
exactly one of the I mean, that's

473
00:37:55.400 --> 00:37:59.519
that's a huge problem. You know, in any society that would be a

474
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:05.679
problem if there was an experiment where
you gave some people, uh in freedom

475
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:09.280
to create something that worked well.
You know. And again the garden analogy.

476
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:15.159
You know, everything needs what it
needs in a garden. You know,

477
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:21.960
a society needs what what humans need. And and whether that's dictated by

478
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:29.039
God or that's dictated by a government, there's very different outcomes. And it's

479
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:35.400
everywhere like it. It blows my
mind every single day. It's a constant

480
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:40.760
battle to stay up on top of
not being deceived every single day, even

481
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.199
for somebody like me who has been
it, you know, a truther or

482
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:50.119
in in you know, down this
rabbit hole for over a decade, you

483
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.880
know it. So imagine what it's
like to just keep going and not be

484
00:38:54.079 --> 00:39:00.679
like that. That it's everywhere early
everywhere. And that's one of the things

485
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:07.480
that's hard to communicate to people when
you when you propose an idea like a

486
00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:15.880
conspiracy truth or uh you know,
biblical flatter earth, they want to know,

487
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:21.239
well, no, why would they
do that? How could they really

488
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:25.920
do that? Like it just can't
compute for people because they've just been you

489
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:30.920
know, and that's the whole thing
with h with the schooling, you know,

490
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:35.079
I mean it's I'm sure that people
listening have heard a lot of these

491
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.719
ideas before, you know, not
to go into to be the dead horse.

492
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:46.519
But there there's so much indoctrination,
Like it doesn't stop at the twelfth

493
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:51.199
grade. A lot of people will
say, well, I'm in a homeschool

494
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:53.960
my kid. Yeah, good,
Like you got to start out with a

495
00:39:54.000 --> 00:40:00.239
good faith or a foundation for something
you're building, you know, whatever that

496
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.039
is, a house or raising a
child, but it doesn't stop, and

497
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.360
it's going to keep coming at you. You know, you build a good

498
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:10.079
foundation on the house because you wanted
to be able to withstand wait and wind

499
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.320
and you know, all the things
the house might take on. It's the

500
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.679
same thing with a person, and
we're taking the wind and the weight of

501
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:25.480
an entire you know, world government
just pushing stuff down our throats. That's

502
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:31.599
just wacky, wacky stuff. Yeah, And I think you A lot of

503
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:36.960
people are envious of your your type
of lifestyle because it sounds like to me,

504
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:38.119
for the most part, you went
in kind of debt free, getting

505
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.119
the land first, taking your time
to build your house correctly. Have you

506
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.159
been able to find like minded people
in your community. I guess you've been

507
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.880
there for what close to four years
now, Yeah, just about four years.

508
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.719
And you did say did I buy
raw land? Yeah, we bought

509
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.559
a piece of raw land. That's
all we could afford. At the same

510
00:40:55.599 --> 00:41:01.039
time, it's what we wanted.
Yep. I guess maybe it's a coincidence,

511
00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:08.000
but yeah, I could see people
being envious of it. People used

512
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.280
to come up to me as a
musician and be envious of my lifestyle.

513
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.880
And you can't really tell someone like
uh. We used to have a joke

514
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.840
in the band uh years and years
ago that was, well, just give

515
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.599
us all your money and buy a
hat and you could be just like us,

516
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.400
you know, like, get rid
of your money, get yourself a

517
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.000
hat, and go do it.
Because we were doing something that anyone could

518
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:38.239
do, you know, yes,
and and nowadays you know minus, you

519
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:43.639
know, if you have certain handicaps
or certain things in your life you're locked

520
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:46.840
into. I understand you can't just
drop everything and leave, but you can

521
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:52.039
do it, yep. If you
try, you keep trying, and you

522
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.400
can do it. So yeah,
it's not can always be easy. It's

523
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:59.039
not always easy living on the road, but there's a lot of freedoms about

524
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.800
it. You know a lot of
people work their whole life just to get

525
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:05.239
in an RV and drive around the
country. Uh. You know, I

526
00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:09.599
just skipped the work part and went
and did it, you know. And

527
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:15.119
now we're building. Yeah, we're
building a house. I've got a two

528
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:16.199
and a half three story house that
and you're in front of you. That's

529
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:23.119
uh just about got a roof on
it. I've been here four years.

530
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.960
We got here, we started building
gardens, you know, we we started

531
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:36.880
raising chickens. We'd already been first
in a rough life and traveling and living

532
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.679
primitively, so we we just hopped
right in. You know, we started

533
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:47.360
clearing land. We started we bought
a land that was south facing, you

534
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:52.360
know, with with multiple springs on
it. Uh spring, plenty of spring

535
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.840
water. You know. We we
just dove right in and started doing it

536
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.239
and figured, well, we'll get
the house done when we figure out how

537
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.039
to get the money. And you
know, we've been just doing that for

538
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:09.239
four years. I think the hardest
part, whether it's uh, you know,

539
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:16.280
having a conversation with someone about flat
earth or christ or doing something out

540
00:43:16.320 --> 00:43:20.440
of their comfort zone, the biggest
problem is just taking that first step.

541
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:23.440
And I think going back to the
matrixes, and I know I've said this

542
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:30.920
before, but they've made people so
comfortable they don't people are afraid that to

543
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.159
fry. And there's so many people
say I wish I could, I wish

544
00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.559
I could. You can do it, you really can. You just got

545
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:42.400
to take that first step, absolutely, you really can. You know,

546
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.079
there's something to be said for hitting
rock bottom too. I've seen a lot

547
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:50.320
of people in my life hit rock
bottom. In fact, a lot of

548
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.599
the Christians that I've personally met in
my life that were the closest to me

549
00:43:53.599 --> 00:44:00.840
were people that had hit rock bottom
excuse me, and come out, whether

550
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:07.440
it was AA or just personal revelation
or something, and come out and and

551
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:13.400
found, you know, a solid
grounded light. You don't have to have

552
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.159
lee if you already have stuff and
you're living, you know, a somewhat

553
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:21.000
normal life. Yeah, you can
definitely do it. You just have to

554
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.559
do it. You got to take
the step in. Uh. There's a

555
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:27.880
lot of things that I did not
know how to do at all that I

556
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.199
just stepped into and learned because I
was passion it. I was like,

557
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:34.840
I'm gonna figure, I'm gonna figure
it out, you know. And and

558
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.599
there is truth to the fact that
you can learn anything on YouTube. I've

559
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:45.199
learned everything from operating ham radios to
fixing trucks to raising chickens. Oh yeah,

560
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.800
YouTube university. I mean, that's
that's a huge That's been huge for

561
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.079
me when it comes to homesteading.
I mean, now that I'm out here,

562
00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:59.079
you asked if I'd met like minded
people. Yeah, I have when

563
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:01.880
it comes to homestead because I found
an area in a in a you know,

564
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:07.599
rural in the mountains where the traditions
were self reliant. So a lot

565
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:10.639
of the folks that I know who
do that are quite a bit older than

566
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:15.280
me, you know. And then
there's a whole bunch of people my age

567
00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:19.559
who also somehow landed right out here. You happen to have kids around the

568
00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:24.840
same age and are trying to do
the same things. You know. Call

569
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:30.320
it a giant coincidence. It's not
odd to me because I've restarted so many

570
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:35.360
times in my life that I have
complete state. I didn't come out here

571
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.599
worried if I was going to figure
it out. I just came here knowing

572
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:45.440
I was because I'd done it so
many times before. And whatever it looked

573
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:51.760
like I knew I would just go
through. That's awesome. Do you live

574
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.119
close enough to a town too,
you're able to go in and play music

575
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:59.039
for a few days and make a
few bucks or yeah, you know,

576
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:06.320
have a daughter and the pandemic really
slowed things down. But I live twenty

577
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:15.360
minutes from a town where I've got
weekly gigs to some and what I guess,

578
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:21.760
thirty five forty minutes from a small
city where there's plenty of places to

579
00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.239
play. It's a little odd now, I guess in my life because there's

580
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:36.079
been such a such a division,
you know, within everywhere in society that

581
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:42.480
I don't I don't resonate the same
way. I don't. Yeah, I've

582
00:46:42.519 --> 00:46:46.039
just become a little bit different.
So it's not as easy for me to

583
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:52.840
just be in those places anymore.
There really has to be a good foundation

584
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:57.119
of the music. So I'm not
doing it as much, but I am

585
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.679
still doing it here. Yeah,
you can live really real and they'll do

586
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:06.320
normal people thing. Absolutely. And
the reason I wanted to kind of lead

587
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.360
back into music for just a moment, you know, when you know,

588
00:47:08.440 --> 00:47:13.239
I'm an eighties I've graduated in the
eighties, so you know, the sixties

589
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.559
seventies music it was all about rebellion
and telling the man, the government to

590
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.480
take a hike, right. But
now these same people now that they're older.

591
00:47:20.519 --> 00:47:22.159
I don't know if it's just because
they understand if they don't go along,

592
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:27.320
they're going to get canceled. But
it's just weird how music has flipped

593
00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:30.719
on its head when it when just
you know, maybe a generation or to

594
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:35.719
a go where music was all about
we're not going to Vietnam, that type

595
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:37.719
of thing, to you know,
take your jab and obey the government.

596
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:42.599
It's kind of blown my mind to
see that same generation from the sixties and

597
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.719
seventies turn into these, you know, walk the line type of people.

598
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:52.800
I'm not yeah, I'm not surpriuded
of you say that. I'm not exactly

599
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:57.199
how sure old you know, how
old you are, but I imagine that

600
00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:00.559
it would it would be for a
lot of people. There's probably a good

601
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:05.400
chunk of people out there that are
saying the same thing as you, people

602
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:08.880
from a generation where they saw that
and then see what's going on now and

603
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:15.000
they're just thinking what happened? What
happened here? I mean, I fully

604
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.960
agree, and I think that that's
one of the things that blows my mind

605
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:25.840
the most since the pandemic, people
really stepped in line with stuff who I

606
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:34.440
didn't think would. But but there's
something to be said too for for fads,

607
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.440
you know, and and people being
led. You know, I'm sure

608
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:43.639
there were a lot of people in
the late sixties and seventies that were just

609
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:50.039
going along with what popular culture was, you know, and maybe they partied,

610
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.599
and you know, maybe they you
know, we're like sticking to the

611
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:58.920
man and this and that, and
then a little time went by and things

612
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.280
changed and they had to figure out
their life, how to raise their family,

613
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:05.599
and how to have a job,
and you know, they just get

614
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:08.880
led down another path. Like if
it's not really deeply in your heart and

615
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:14.559
you're not the type of person to
be to not forget about your convictions and

616
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.360
what's really important, it's pretty easy
to be led astray over and over again,

617
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.199
you know, not not crazy.
It'd only take what a couple of

618
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:28.480
generations for people to forget history completely, right, Yeah, And you know

619
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.679
that's a big passion of mine on
how history is narrated through those who control

620
00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:37.679
the history books. They'll talk about
certain things, but other things they'll completely

621
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:43.280
leave out. And maybe put a
paragraph and in history too in college if

622
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:46.840
if you get that far again,
you know, it's his story, and

623
00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:52.960
that's something that again, it's a
narrative. The same with NASA. It's

624
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:58.840
it's a narrative. And it's a
shame when you when you try to tell

625
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.480
people the truth about you know,
certain presidents and things of that nature,

626
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:06.440
where maybe they're not really the good
guys that they're meant to be. You

627
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:09.079
automatically. Once again, it's almost
like when you're bringing the flat flat earth

628
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:15.039
up to people, it triggers them
just because they've been programmed for twelve years.

629
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.320
You know, this guy was the
greatest president ever. You try to

630
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:20.480
say, well, you know,
he arrested twenty thousand of his own citizens.

631
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:22.760
He tried to have a Supreme Court
justice thrown in jail, on and

632
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.119
on and on. Just like when
you're trying to say something passionate about flat

633
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:29.880
earth you talk about curvature, you
know, how water always finds its level,

634
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:34.960
and the fake moon landing and the
treaties and everything else, they get

635
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.599
triggered. It's the same, it's
the same play. Yeah. Literally,

636
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:46.079
you know, my mom's the history
teacher. She was for the last twenty

637
00:50:46.159 --> 00:50:51.039
years and she loved it. She
loved history. If you look at her

638
00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:54.960
bookshelf, she's got all types of
books from George Washington and all this stuff.

639
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.079
And if she's going to go on
a trip somewhere, which she doesn't

640
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:04.000
do often, to go to some
historical site here or there, you know,

641
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.960
And and it burns me up that
people stop at a certain point.

642
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.239
It's like, well, don't you
want to know more? Like don't you

643
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:16.039
want to really know what the history
is? It's like, how interested are

644
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.840
you in history? Like just in
the story? Like is this just a

645
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:23.199
Netflix special you're watching on history?
Or do you really want to know?

646
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:29.719
You know? Like, well,
because there's a whole nother history, Like

647
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.280
there's so much more. It's really
fascinating. Yeah, it's kind of hard

648
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.239
to swallow. But like we're here
for you know, this period of time.

649
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:42.960
I'm like, don't you want to
know? I think that's part of

650
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.480
the problem. I think they'd rather
keep their head in the sand. Like

651
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:49.960
again, they don't want to go
out of their comfort zone. Yeah,

652
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:52.559
that's very true. I've always gone
out of my comfort zone. Yeah,

653
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:59.639
likewise when it comes to uh,
stuff like that. So I get that

654
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.280
that's not for everyone, like again, to bring my parents back up.

655
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:07.760
My dad, you can't bring anything
up to him without him. He just

656
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:13.639
got he just laughed. He he
does not want to know, just not

657
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:15.960
the type of person that is going
to be open to it. And a

658
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:21.000
lot of people claim to be open
minded. Uh, and that's led down,

659
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:23.440
you know, to all the stuff
going on. Now everything's inverted.

660
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:30.079
You know, everything's backwards. It's
backwards world. You know, there's open

661
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.800
mindedness turned into fascist Yeah, like
real quick, like in just a few

662
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:38.280
years. Seemed like, you know, in about a decade it went from

663
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:44.760
being open minded, uh to just
absolute like you said, just absolute fascism

664
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.480
by the people who are claiming that
that the other folks are the fastest.

665
00:52:47.480 --> 00:52:52.039
It's just unbelievable. Like you said, it's backwards world. Yeah, it

666
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.440
is backwards world. It really is
it again, it just blows my mind.

667
00:52:55.480 --> 00:53:00.599
I I'm amazed by it every day. You know. I grew up

668
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.519
in a family where my parents,
I guess my mom had been Catholic and

669
00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:08.960
my dad had been Baptists, and
we didn't really have religion in the family.

670
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:14.239
We go to church for some holidays, and my grandfolks were a very

671
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:21.199
big part of the church. And
when it comes to communities of people that

672
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:27.079
you know, so like they were
also democratic, right, I guess,

673
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.159
so I just grew up to get
like, yeah, like open minded,

674
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:36.920
like don't judge people, be open
minded, you know, like don't be

675
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.079
you know, it's really like plugged
into you if you grew up in a

676
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:45.800
democratic family that the other side are
like these evil people, you know,

677
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:51.199
which it is just another division thing. But it took a long time for

678
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:55.320
me to realize like, oh,
like what you know, it's really like

679
00:53:55.360 --> 00:54:00.079
in twenty twenty, that's what it
really hit me. When all the stuff

680
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.880
started to go down. I was
like, oh my god, like my

681
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:12.920
whole life. I didn't realize how
device into this whole thing was and how

682
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.199
backward it is people who say there
one way or another way, and these

683
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:21.360
people who are considered evil are actually
doing these things. And I was like,

684
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.880
I mean, the pandemic woke me
up. It just as big as

685
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:37.039
Flatterer, to be honest, Yeah, that was a tough time for a

686
00:54:37.039 --> 00:54:40.559
lot of people, especially when I
think that's about twenty twenty one is when

687
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.800
I realized that, you know,
the did this country is really beyond repair

688
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.360
that it's been hijacked by very evil
people, and they basically can do whatever

689
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:54.320
they want because they know they control
everything. It's just, you know,

690
00:54:55.239 --> 00:55:01.880
to see people I without their family
being there, their family members being allowed

691
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:06.320
to I just saw so much evil
that I just never thought I would live

692
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:12.679
to see in my lifetime. Yeah, absolutely, and so much inversion of

693
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:16.000
things that I didn't think was possible. That really opened my eyes. Because

694
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:21.480
if there's one thing I thought was
like a solid is that people were people.

695
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:27.159
You know, I didn't judge people
I've got I've met people who I

696
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.920
consider friends that are from every walk
of life, sure, every age.

697
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:36.320
And when that happened, it was
like whoa, Okay. The people I

698
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.599
thought were like, you know,
really on board with not buying into this

699
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:46.719
stuff or really buy it into it. And I didn't know about what I

700
00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:53.559
you know, I didn't I didn't
know about Republican conservatism. I didn't know

701
00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:59.880
about the church. You know,
I was indoctrinated as thinking that the church

702
00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:06.159
and organized religions were just a joke, you know, just a cult of

703
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:10.840
people that were silly or foolish.
You know, I had all this stuff

704
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.960
in my head that I thought was
just the way it was, and it

705
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:22.480
really really fell apart in twenty twenty. Yeah, and that's what I wanted

706
00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:28.039
to kind of come back full circle
too. Is your sixth bullet is the

707
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.920
Bible? And how through flat Earth
you were able to understand your relationship with

708
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:39.679
God? Yeah, well it's I'm
doing it right now. This is part

709
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:45.800
of it. You know. I
never grew up praying. I didn't.

710
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:52.360
I was just kind of a feral
kid. My parents are good people,

711
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.960
they're loving people, and they took
care of us. It's not like I

712
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:01.599
was in destitute or anything. I
had all the opportunities, but I was

713
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:06.519
kind of left to my own devices
and didn't have that guidance. And then

714
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.480
the communities, the people that I
had been in for the last you know,

715
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:14.840
a couple decades, everybody shunned the
church, everybody laughed at it.

716
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.800
In fact, a lot of people
I met were either excommunicated from their families

717
00:57:20.079 --> 00:57:23.559
for that reason, or you know
a lot of people that were just far

718
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:28.079
from that realm. It was not
part of my life. And when I

719
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:34.559
started looking into the flat Earth stuff, other things that had happened in my

720
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.400
life started connecting, and it was
like boom, boom boom oh whoa,

721
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:43.000
whoa, and you know I had
been somebody that you know I had.

722
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:49.079
I had had some pretty crazy experiences
in life. I hear sleep proalysis seems

723
00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.280
to come up often on this podcast, which is interesting. Never thought that

724
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.800
would be tied into this community,
but apparently it is. So there's got

725
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.960
to be something there. I've experienced
a lot that in my life and I

726
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:05.360
had to work through that. I've
had multiple different experiences with psychedelics that have

727
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:12.000
brought me into places and opened certain
doors. You know, a while back,

728
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:14.760
I got the there's a quote,
I forget who it is, maybe

729
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.320
Ellen Watts, like, once you
get the message, hang up the phone.

730
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:25.760
I've kind of subscribed to that because
after you go into certain places,

731
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:32.800
you see and experience certain things that
need you need to be very grounded afterwards

732
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:38.239
to make sense of and maybe that
takes a whole lifetime. So I do

733
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:43.639
think there's value in it for certain
people, but I do not think it

734
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:46.679
is a way of life for everyone. Maybe there are certain people who are

735
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:52.159
grounded enough that that that's their path
is to kind of be like some sort

736
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:58.039
of I don't know, like a
shaman or something something where you know,

737
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:07.039
they're bringing light into the world through
that. But after having all of the

738
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:10.199
experiences I had in my life,
once I started to look into the flat

739
00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:15.679
Earth, I started to realize that
a lot of people were talking about God.

740
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:19.639
And I was like, oh,
that's interesting. And immediately it was

741
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.920
kind of turned off, you know. And then I thought, well,

742
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.360
why am I turned off by this? It makes sense, you know,

743
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:31.480
let me look into this more.
And then I started looking at references from

744
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:38.000
the Bible that talked about and a
lot of other you know, ancient cosmologies

745
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:45.840
that all kind of led to this
interesting They're all kind of connected in a

746
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.599
certain way. A lot my first
real interest was like, why can't we

747
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:57.400
go certain places? So all these
old cosmologies were like talk about the north

748
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.960
you know, underneath Polaris and and
what's going on there? And I thought,

749
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.239
yeah, what is going on there? You know, what is going

750
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.920
on at this abstract seuth pool that
there's just like minimal information about. It's

751
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:15.360
like a video game where there's just
this part of the map that doesn't make

752
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:22.400
sense, you know it. It
kind of struck me like that. That

753
01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:27.119
was like, I think the first
thing that brought me closer to wondering about

754
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.880
God, and I was I was
thinking, Yeah, I was always told

755
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:35.320
like, there's no new lands,
there's nowhere to for, you know,

756
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.840
there's nothing, nothing we haven't figured
out, buddy, don't worry. You

757
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.840
just keep on going, you know, plug away. And and I wasn't

758
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:45.840
cut out for that at all.
So I immediately was like, headstrong,

759
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:51.159
No, I'm gonna I'm gonna think
about that, like I'm gonna think about

760
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.320
all the stuff that y'all are telling
me not to. I'm gonna go in

761
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:59.320
there pretty hard. And that was
really the first thing that brought me into

762
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:06.119
it. And I could keep going
to if that's all right? Absolutely,

763
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:15.320
So I was if you've ever been
out in nature, or any ever really

764
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.639
done any work out in nature.
I don't know why it is working outside

765
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.880
brings me closer to this. But
I had an experience out in Oregon at

766
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.400
a forty foot school bus that I
bought a bunch of years ago, and

767
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.360
I was making it into a cabin
so i'd have a place to live in

768
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:39.079
case everything else failed. And I
was standing on the roof of it and

769
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:45.760
we're out in rural Oregon and there's
pine trees all around and I'm looking and

770
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.639
I'm painting the roof white, and
I just had this really strange feeling that

771
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:55.199
felt really good. And I looked
up at the sky and it just felt

772
01:01:55.239 --> 01:02:01.159
like it was enveloping me, like
it a certain type of way that I'd

773
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:12.079
never really felt before. And immediately
I realized what the thing was and it

774
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.079
never left me. And There'll be
other times where I'm working outside where I'll

775
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:22.800
have that same feeling since then.
Given this is after I learned about flat

776
01:02:22.840 --> 01:02:25.199
Earth, but it never really connected
it. You know, I'm the type

777
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:29.559
of person that really needs to connect
something. I need to experience it.

778
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:31.440
If I'm going to learn a song, I need to hear it, I

779
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.519
need to be able to sing it
in my head, and I need to

780
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.400
really understand it. And that was
the first time I feel like I ever

781
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:45.119
had an experience that I would say
was or I was communicating with something or

782
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:52.159
something was communicating with me, and
I had that those dots really connected.

783
01:02:53.119 --> 01:03:00.480
And I wish I could say,
well, I'm in a kind of interesting

784
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:08.960
place because I've had so much of
my life been told that, you know,

785
01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:14.800
religion is is kind of a farce
and this and that, and you

786
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.760
know, people are really apathetic and
they're just sort of going through their day

787
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:24.239
to day and not really feeling and
thinking. And I've never met I've never

788
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:29.599
been a part of the community of
people that were a Christian that I can

789
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.719
relate to you like, I've just
never been to one place for that love.

790
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:36.400
You know, I don't really know
how to approach all that, but

791
01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.280
I have my experience with God,
Like I've never been to church in my

792
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:45.960
adult life ever. But yet I've
been praying more and more over the last

793
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:52.199
years. You know, sometimes every
day I'm just praying and I don't even

794
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:55.400
know why. It just feels right. It just feels like the thing to

795
01:03:55.480 --> 01:04:01.960
do. Not in a sort of
way where I'm intrant, it's just like,

796
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:05.920
yeah, this is a good thing
to do, Like we're here for

797
01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:14.719
some reason. We're in this place
that that has obviously been created by something.

798
01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:19.559
Either's no doubt, not even a
feather of doubt in my mind.

799
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:25.079
So yeah, it brought me a
lot closer something, and I haven't quite

800
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:31.320
figured out what it is yet.
Yeah, that is the common response to

801
01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:35.360
flat earthers, people who were,
you know, full out atheists, Like

802
01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:40.400
like you said, some people who
thought religion was a joke. One of

803
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:45.039
the first things full stop, people
realized that, well if this is if

804
01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.440
we're not on a ball and everything
else, and this was cleverly designed,

805
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:53.480
then there is a creator. And
then it leads people down their path and

806
01:04:55.360 --> 01:05:00.199
it's an amazing journey. And for
it still blows my mind that for some

807
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.480
people like yourself, that it's their
first rabbit hole, because it is the

808
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:09.880
ultimate rabbit hole. It is the
one that they you know, the controllers,

809
01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:14.639
for lack of better words, they
put the most effort into the globe.

810
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:19.239
Your Star Wars movies from the seventies. It was to subconsciously reinforce the

811
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:24.599
globe, the globes in every classroom, the globes at every TV show,

812
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:27.559
I mean, on and on and
on. They put so much work into

813
01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.800
it. And when you realize,
when you get to the nuts and bolts

814
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:34.679
of it all, to realize that
I call it the Big Three obviously,

815
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:39.239
you know, with evolution of the
Big Bang and then heliocentrism, it's all

816
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:43.920
about hiding God. And that that's
why, like you said earlier, this

817
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:49.519
does desire its own podcast, It
deserves its own conversation, and hopefully we'll

818
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:59.199
find a way to kind of knock
over people's you know, to get people

819
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.480
to know, normalize, I don't
even know how to phrase this, but

820
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:05.880
to keep it from being such a
shock factor, right that the flat earth.

821
01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:09.920
Yeah, well, when you have
those conversations again, I get emails

822
01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.280
all the time, people get the
courage to bring it up and they almost

823
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:17.239
feel humiliated. People from people they've
known for decades, right, and they

824
01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:19.679
know, you know, you're best
friends for decades. You bring it up

825
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:23.760
and then all of a sudden,
you know that they just assume you started

826
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:30.920
uh ingesting mushrooms or something. Yeah, I mean I'm already the type of

827
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:36.400
person that people look at and think
that that guy's got to be a weirdo.

828
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.880
You know. I've so that's already
kind of a handicap talking to people,

829
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:44.960
and I forget about it. I
mean, I've I've got a lot

830
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:51.519
of tattoos, you know, and
that you know, I've got tattoos on

831
01:06:51.559 --> 01:07:00.599
my faith and there are things that
are important to me from your growth that

832
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:02.719
I've had in my life. That's
a very personal thing. And then and

833
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:09.280
this happened before, apparently that's that's
popular. Now there's there's all these people

834
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:15.079
out there who are famous. I
don't really understand how that happened. I

835
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:19.800
kind of wish not that it made
I'd made different decisions. But I just

836
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:30.400
hope that people don't keep doing that
for the sake of h I think there's

837
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.960
something very very important to it,
and and people just can seem to be

838
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:38.400
doing things that are just like careless, I guess, like very very careless

839
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:42.599
in life. But I guess what
I'm saying is I'm already someone that people

840
01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:45.360
look at kind of like crazy,
and then I'll bring up certain things and

841
01:07:45.360 --> 01:07:48.159
and then I'll think later, like, you know, they're probably just looking

842
01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:54.960
at me, thinking that guy is
create. You know, they're probably just

843
01:07:54.960 --> 01:08:00.519
thinking, oh he is a he
ain't right. Like, there's always going

844
01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:04.400
to be a reason that people come
up with to deny things they don't want

845
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:08.199
to think about, and if there's
an easy one like that, that's the

846
01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:13.719
one they're going to go for.
Yep. So that's kind of like a

847
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.399
little bit of a trick to it. You know. I really haven't spoke

848
01:08:16.479 --> 01:08:25.399
to people about the slatters and since
twenty sixteen or so, until very recently,

849
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.319
I started talking to a buddy I
work with, who's the only one

850
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:32.920
who might listen to this, which
is cool. He's just recently gotten down

851
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:44.159
this this rabbit hole, and I
am curious to see what happens in the

852
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:48.720
future for me talking to people,
because I've really been reinvigorated about it this

853
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:53.760
year, especially finding your podcast was
a big part of that, because I

854
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:57.039
thought that it was just kind of
dead, you know, it seemed like

855
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.680
there were certain people who stuck with
it, and that a lot of people

856
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:06.119
just thought it was a thigh op
or it was everything kind of get co

857
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:11.239
opted in this world. So there's
a lot like the flatter the thiety thing.

858
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:15.840
You know, there's so many reasons
that you get taken off the path.

859
01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:18.960
I guess a lot of people that
are just taken off of it,

860
01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:23.039
and I thought, I guess,
I guess that ain't happened in the time

861
01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:27.159
around. Yeah, and it's important
that we keep pushing this narrative because people

862
01:09:27.199 --> 01:09:29.399
will say, oh, that's just
a sigh op, that's you know,

863
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:31.880
within the last ten years, and
then you can show them, you know,

864
01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:38.439
uh, literally dozens and dozens and
that's a low number of books that

865
01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:42.880
were written over the last several hundred
years that that you know, argue with

866
01:09:43.000 --> 01:09:46.800
geocentric Earth, and you can go
back to the exact same time that Copernicus

867
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.560
and those guys were pushing it,
you had people like Martin Luther that were

868
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:56.720
showing it as well. So this
is nothing new. Unfortunately, like you

869
01:09:56.760 --> 01:10:00.520
said, the wild West days of
YouTube are gone, and they don't really

870
01:10:00.560 --> 01:10:02.960
feed you an algorithm. I mean, if if you're looking at wrestling videos

871
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.159
or something like that, they'll push
it to you. But if you're looking

872
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:11.319
at anything in the truth community that
they'll they'll push a Professor Dave at you,

873
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:15.199
you know, flat Earth debunk versus
what you're really looking for. Absolutely.

874
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:18.159
I mean, I've just kind of
become hip to the TikTok thing,

875
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:24.720
not not being audit I've never been
on it, but realizing that why they

876
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:29.000
want to get rid of it because
they can't control it, which is no

877
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.000
surprise to me now that I've seen
it. I'm like, oh, of

878
01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:34.119
course, you know, of course
you guys are gonna do that China bad

879
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:39.720
you know, like right, the
di coms, that's always the shy coms.

880
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:45.960
Yeah, but there. Yeah,
it's hard to find information everywhere.

881
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:49.520
If you can have something in your
heart, that that's in your mind that

882
01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:54.600
you can carry with you through your
life. That is I think the most

883
01:10:54.760 --> 01:11:00.359
valuable thing that we can have what
we teach our children. That is the

884
01:11:00.399 --> 01:11:04.359
real value what we teach and pass
down through generations. If we can keep

885
01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:13.279
that information and those stories unmolested,
That value learning that you know, very

886
01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:18.279
like real important things that you can
do in this place that are wholesome and

887
01:11:18.359 --> 01:11:24.840
moral, That value all the other
stuff. It's it's just a bunch of

888
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:30.039
chaotic noise. You don't need to
listen to it. You can tune into

889
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:31.960
it now and then so you know
what's going on. But you gotta be

890
01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:38.880
careful how much you do, because
vibrations real, you know, frequencies are

891
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:43.039
real, you know, getting images
into your mind. You know, TV

892
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:47.359
channels all all that. You know, there's there's a you could be really

893
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:53.039
strong and still be susceptible to some
bs, you know. Sure. I

894
01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.199
try to find that fine line as
well. Monitor I call it, you

895
01:11:56.239 --> 01:11:59.479
know, if I tune into Fox
or something, I call it monitoring the

896
01:11:59.560 --> 01:12:01.479
enemy's transmission, just to kind of
get a feel for it. But you

897
01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:04.640
gotta be careful because it'll get you
sucked in and angry before you know it.

898
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:11.760
Yeah, that's the radio, guys. Very well, it's been an

899
01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.880
awesome conversation. I want to you
know, as we start to wind out,

900
01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:16.800
I wanted to give you an opportunity
to cover anything you might have not

901
01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:21.159
had an opportunity to do so yet. Cool. Yeah, I've got some

902
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:25.000
notes here in my phone, I
roughly wrote. I didn't look at any

903
01:12:25.039 --> 01:12:32.560
of them. Let me the hear
well, I guess well. The first

904
01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:36.079
one I noticed that that has something
to say is it says this podcast is

905
01:12:36.119 --> 01:12:42.399
my church. It sounds silly,
but in a way, not having a

906
01:12:42.520 --> 01:12:46.600
church to go to, never being
a part of a church. I listen

907
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:50.119
to your podcast and I try to
reach for a snippets of things that build,

908
01:12:50.439 --> 01:12:55.439
that help me, and I really
value that really important and appreciated I

909
01:12:55.479 --> 01:13:02.920
think by a lot of people.
I'm definitely on a trajectory of continuing to

910
01:13:03.039 --> 01:13:05.319
look for that in my life.
I have been since I moved here,

911
01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:11.079
as busy as I am, and
and right now, this this is it.

912
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:15.399
That's all I got right now other
than just what's going on in my

913
01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:20.399
own mind. So that's appreciated.
There's a couple other things in here that

914
01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:30.119
I do really want to bring up. Let's see, I guess, uh,

915
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:36.800
wordage language was a really big eye
opener for me. Danglish language.

916
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:44.199
When I first started hearing about words
was from a guy I think his name

917
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:49.000
is Santos Bonacci. Familiar with him
absolutely, yep. Yeah. So he

918
01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:54.199
had been talking about maritime words and
stuff when it comes to you money,

919
01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:02.399
so like currency, the currencies and
the river bank bank and live stock and

920
01:14:02.439 --> 01:14:13.680
the stock market and all that kind
of stuff. Are you familiar with what

921
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:16.359
I'm talking about? Yeah? In
addition to him, I think Jordan I

922
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:19.319
always get that. Yeah, yeah, that that speech she did on the

923
01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:25.359
rules of the sea and how words
cut like a knife and the word word

924
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:29.199
is within sword and you know,
the whole maritime speech he gave us really

925
01:14:29.239 --> 01:14:33.199
awesome. Yeah. Absolutely, I
did look int hips up too during that

926
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:39.600
period of time. All of those
things I think are something if you're listening

927
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.279
to this and you're kind of like
what am I listening to? What are

928
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:45.159
these people talking about? That's a
really good place to go, I think,

929
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:50.960
because it's really i opening. Once
you realize how many words mean something,

930
01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:55.560
it's like, well, what the
hell's going on here? Like you

931
01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:59.079
know, we lived in the week
day, you know, like you're in

932
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.239
a week days with of the weekdays. Uh, all these weird connections within

933
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:08.000
words and spells and spelling and channeling, you start to realize that there's something

934
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:12.439
going on. And the more you
learn about it, I don't think anyone

935
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:15.960
likes it unless you're I don't.
I don't know who would like it.

936
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:21.119
But it feels a bit dark and
a bit like it's missing the mark,

937
01:15:23.199 --> 01:15:29.239
Like there are ways to say things
without missing the mark, like just saying

938
01:15:29.239 --> 01:15:31.640
good morning to somebody, you know. I think about it every day.

939
01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:34.600
I'm like, good morning, are
we mourning? What? What? What

940
01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:38.880
is this? You know? Yeah, that's a great one. Absolutely.

941
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.000
Uh So I think that's something that
if you know, if people were listening

942
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:49.000
that hadn't thought about this kind of
stuff, I would recommend they look at

943
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:55.640
those talks and look into the into
the words we use, because I think

944
01:15:55.640 --> 01:16:00.600
there's some some real value there for
kind of opening your eye up to the

945
01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:01.479
world we live in. Because a
lot of people will say, well,

946
01:16:01.520 --> 01:16:04.439
how could they be lying to us
about all this stuff? How could they

947
01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:10.600
be you know, really pulling the
wool over our eyes this big And it's

948
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:14.079
like we'll just keep looking, like
you'll you'll see it. It's really big.

949
01:16:14.279 --> 01:16:20.640
It's kids huge. Let's see what
else they got in here. Yeah,

950
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:26.520
just just some some people out there
that speak that are that are interesting.

951
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.960
If people are on YouTube, there's
a fella. Are you familiar with

952
01:16:31.000 --> 01:16:36.640
Doug and Daftyes, we watch him
every Sunday night and we catch his midweek

953
01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:42.800
shows. He's part homesteader, but
he's also part truther. Yeah, exactly.

954
01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.920
Folks like that that are still out
there, I think are of of

955
01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:53.000
good. It's really important for people
that are still working in two things because

956
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:58.439
they're still out there somehow. So
that's awesome. You know, the whole

957
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:01.800
pandemic when it hit, I think
they're There were two days where I was

958
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:06.960
freaking out. I've been working out
my friend's restaurant. She owned it,

959
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:10.199
me and my wife ran it.
She ran in front of house, I

960
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:15.239
ran the kitchen and we had to
shut the doors, and I was freaking

961
01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:17.600
out. I was like looking at
my wife, like you need to wash

962
01:17:17.640 --> 01:17:21.760
your hands, like what's happening?
You know. I was in fight or

963
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:26.359
flight loads. It was about a
day and a half went by, and

964
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:30.720
I sat down and I pulled up
my phone and I was looking at some

965
01:17:30.800 --> 01:17:35.279
videos that I looked at all the
time from this fella, and I was

966
01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:39.800
like, and I looked out into
the desert, and I've seen the towers

967
01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:45.720
that were on the mountain, and
I just realized all at once, Oh,

968
01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:51.119
everything's okay, don't worry. And
I'm so grateful for that that I

969
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:59.119
realized that quickly into it what was
going on, because I never went and

970
01:17:59.800 --> 01:18:03.319
I I was cool headed the whole
time through it. It was difficult.

971
01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:09.800
It caused a lot of a lot
of drama in the world. But being

972
01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:16.960
being staying in tune with people that
are genuinely trying to bring truth to the

973
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:23.560
world is important because you need to
be aware of how much deception is going

974
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.399
on to continue to be a grounded
person and be there for your family and

975
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:31.399
make good decisions. And you can
put all of your your faith in God.

976
01:18:31.479 --> 01:18:35.279
I think that's beautiful too, but
there's a lot of people out there

977
01:18:35.319 --> 01:18:43.760
that might not have that yet or
for whatever it is that there's a lot

978
01:18:43.760 --> 01:18:49.159
of value in finding and filtering out
certain avenues and staying connected in the community

979
01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:55.960
of people who are really trying to
call things for what it is so you

980
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:59.199
can make good decisions because it's only
going to get crazier from here on out,

981
01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:03.279
you know, absolutely, And I'm
I wonder often how much longer they're

982
01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.840
going to let Doug and Stacy stay
on because I think there are a million

983
01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:09.960
people now, so they have quite
an outreach. And he talks about everything

984
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:14.880
from KEM trails to the government.
So I'm he does kind of he's careful

985
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:17.159
about what he says. He's very
smart about it. But you know,

986
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:21.920
he's got a very big stage.
So I'm I'm very happy for him.

987
01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:25.880
Yeah, so on on that topic, good luck to them. I mean

988
01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:30.079
you could see it in his mile
and his and you could see him in

989
01:19:30.119 --> 01:19:31.920
the video. He's really there,
you know, and you know, you

990
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:36.880
know, either you're gonna find him
or you'll feel connected. It'll work out

991
01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:42.079
absolutely. Jeff Berwick. I don't
know if you've heard of Jeff Berwick.

992
01:19:43.039 --> 01:19:46.520
He's kind of a wild card and
got a website called The Dollar Vigilante.

993
01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:53.680
He's like a very strange, uh, kind of anarcho capitalist dude. He's

994
01:19:53.720 --> 01:19:58.960
down in Mexico now. He does
a yearly called Anarcho Poco. Have you

995
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.199
heard of that. I've heard his
name. It rings a bell, but

996
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:06.720
I'm not sure. Uh. Jeff
for said the Final Solution Awake. Okay,

997
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.159
I found his website. I'll put
it in the show notes. I've

998
01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:12.600
I've heard his name, but I'm
not one hundred percent familiar with him.

999
01:20:13.640 --> 01:20:19.560
Yeah, strange, dude. It
it's his videos that I had been hip

1000
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:25.560
to that I was just watching to
kind of stay up because it was fun

1001
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.800
and entertaining and say, shaded that
part of my brain that needed to pay

1002
01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:34.560
attention to the world that saved me
from the pandemic. To be completely honest,

1003
01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:39.520
he wrote a book called The Controlled
Demolition of the American Empire that was

1004
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:44.640
published maybe two or three years ago
now at least that you can find out

1005
01:20:44.680 --> 01:20:49.640
there. And he's got people like
mac Egan. He's down in Mexico too

1006
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:56.079
now right, Yeah, he has. He had to leave Australia and has

1007
01:20:56.159 --> 01:21:00.560
not gone back. I think they
were gonna they were gonna grab him fashion

1008
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:04.000
James Corbett and the Corbett recorded a
bunch of people in his website in the

1009
01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:11.079
trending section where they'll just be yeah, but the things that you might relate

1010
01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:14.880
to or might inspire you in some
way. I just wanted to mention those

1011
01:21:14.960 --> 01:21:18.760
few because they're acceptable and a lot
of the people do an incredible amount of

1012
01:21:18.760 --> 01:21:23.119
work like you do to put stuff
out there. Yeah, meetings. James

1013
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:26.359
Corbett was one of my bucket lists
being able to interview with him a few

1014
01:21:26.359 --> 01:21:34.760
months ago. Tremendous guy. Awesome, that's great. Yeah, I've had

1015
01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:39.279
an awesome conversation with you. I
was. I was nervous about it because

1016
01:21:39.279 --> 01:21:41.239
there's so much stuff you want to
talk about. You know. I don't

1017
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:45.279
get to talk about this kind of
stuff with a lot of people. You

1018
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:48.399
know, I've brought these things up
with my wife in the past. Recently

1019
01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:54.640
brought it up again. Conversation did
not go well. It was sort of

1020
01:21:54.920 --> 01:22:00.680
a bort conversation to retreat, very
very intense, you know. Yeah,

1021
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:04.520
you'll bring this stuff up with people. I think the flat Earth is is

1022
01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:10.279
at least what I know of the
big room in the bottom of the rabbit

1023
01:22:10.319 --> 01:22:15.079
hole. Yeah, it's bringing me
closer to God. It's bringing me to

1024
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:21.560
a place where I make better decisions
in my life. The only other other

1025
01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:26.800
thing that I'd really want to talk
about. I don't know what times you

1026
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:30.079
have a moment. Yeah, we
still got five or six minutes, all

1027
01:22:30.159 --> 01:22:35.479
right, there's so I brought this
up at work. The other day.

1028
01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:40.039
I'm self employed and I've got some
buddies who are as well, and we'll

1029
01:22:40.119 --> 01:22:44.520
hire each other for stuff. And
we were working on this old house and

1030
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.600
we're taking lunch break, and it
got brought up and a buddy of mine

1031
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:53.039
who had kind of gone down this
path before, he had some really like

1032
01:22:53.920 --> 01:23:00.640
strong things of why he thought it
wasn't the way it was, and he

1033
01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:02.479
brought them up, and I've got
a couple of the things he said in

1034
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:08.439
here, which I think are food
for thought, because I think there's a

1035
01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:12.479
lot of people that I've met that
have gone down this path that have then

1036
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.520
decided they can't think about it anymore. And I find that really interesting,

1037
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:20.680
and I think it's really important to
mention because after all the flatters files,

1038
01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:27.560
so that's got to be the main
bread and butter in a way, and

1039
01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:31.319
a out of all the people I've
talked to, people either get very angry

1040
01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:39.920
or they laugh. Those are the
two main things. And then there is

1041
01:23:39.920 --> 01:23:47.479
the other group, and they're interested
in accepting, but want to kind of

1042
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:51.279
explain it off as this or that
to kind of go on with their day

1043
01:23:51.319 --> 01:23:55.279
because they can't spend the time to
think about it. And I understand that

1044
01:23:55.920 --> 01:24:00.199
completely, and then there are some
people who went down and tried to just

1045
01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:03.760
prove it and just stop there.
One of the things you was talking about

1046
01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:12.000
was the sun take longer to go
around a bigger circumference as a smaller one.

1047
01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:15.960
And I know we'll probably won't get
to all that in this in this

1048
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:20.560
uh talk, but you like,
well, it doesn't make sense because the

1049
01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:28.840
sun would take longer to go around
the other tropic or the tropic then it

1050
01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:32.239
would the smaller one. So so
it can't make sense that way, which

1051
01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:38.800
got me thinking about the firmament and
the shape of the firmament and what the

1052
01:24:38.800 --> 01:24:42.840
Sun and the moon actually are and
how they work. That's right, because

1053
01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:47.600
the in the firmament is the further
out towards Antarctica goes the wider it is,

1054
01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:55.840
right, just like the tre you
know that the two tropics. So

1055
01:24:56.079 --> 01:25:00.279
it would make perfect sense that that's
why it's important to let people know that.

1056
01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:02.560
You know, it is just like
the Bible says, it's in the

1057
01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:06.800
firmament, so you know, the
the closer it is to you know,

1058
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:14.760
the center part during the wintertime versus
the summertime is exactly look at where it

1059
01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:19.239
would be in the firmament. Yeah, the days are shorter, that's right.

1060
01:25:23.319 --> 01:25:29.640
It. I just think that that's
something that is one of those things

1061
01:25:29.640 --> 01:25:34.359
that takes the visualization. You might
take some of watching someone show a visual

1062
01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:40.720
example of to understand, which I
find really really fascinating. That's the kind

1063
01:25:40.760 --> 01:25:45.319
of stuff I'm really into you.
That's a really talking about. I was

1064
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.560
just going to send smaller set.
Yeah that he said, Well, if

1065
01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:55.119
makes sense because the sun would get
smaller and smaller as set, and if

1066
01:25:55.159 --> 01:26:00.600
it was flat, you'd always be
able to see it. And that's when

1067
01:26:00.600 --> 01:26:03.319
you got to explain it, like
with a flashlight on a map. You

1068
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:05.760
know, when you turn on the
flashlight in your backyard, your old yard

1069
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:11.560
doesn't light up, just what's being
focused on. Yeah, those are the

1070
01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:15.199
kind of visualizations that I think that
a lot of people stop at. Yep,

1071
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:17.399
agree if they are interested, and
they go down and they're like,

1072
01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:21.720
but no, So his idea,
at least what he said is that he

1073
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:26.000
thinks it's round, but it's a
lot bigger than we think. So he

1074
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:31.479
thinks they're hidden land, but he
doesn't really subscribe to the flat part.

1075
01:26:31.920 --> 01:26:35.079
And like, I like that because
that's someone who's critically thinking like, he's

1076
01:26:35.079 --> 01:26:38.960
a really smart dude. I've got
a ton of respect for him. So

1077
01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.560
I love that perspective, you know, to someone who's really really thinking,

1078
01:26:42.600 --> 01:26:45.039
he needs using his mind and opened
the stuff, but has another idea about

1079
01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.680
it. Everyone doesn't have tied to
this, you know, not everyone's going

1080
01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:51.680
to make it an important part of
their life. That's right how it is.

1081
01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:56.439
And he's he's just in his journey. So as long as he continues

1082
01:26:56.520 --> 01:27:00.359
to look, who's to say that
he won't actually take the time and look.

1083
01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:02.239
And when you were talking about those
two things, what I wanted to

1084
01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:09.159
mention was that's why I always encourage
everyone to get that flat you know Dave's

1085
01:27:09.199 --> 01:27:13.960
I think it's called the zodiac and
flatter app because it's got that little question

1086
01:27:14.039 --> 01:27:17.479
mark. And everything that we've talked
about today, there's videos for. And

1087
01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.199
that was the one thing I was
worried about when I started this podcast,

1088
01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:25.439
is flat Earth is one of those
topics when you really want to break down

1089
01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:29.960
certain things. Video was extremely helpful. That's why when people will email me

1090
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:34.520
with questions, I'll go to the
link and I'll copy that link to whatever

1091
01:27:34.600 --> 01:27:38.000
subject that we're talking about. I'll
send it to them and it makes perfect

1092
01:27:38.000 --> 01:27:42.119
sense to them, because, like
you're saying, sometimes video or you know,

1093
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:47.039
pictures are really help you with your
arguments. Yeah. Absolutely, I'm

1094
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:50.800
actually going to check that app out. I've heard it talked about on your

1095
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:54.960
podcast a couple of times and have
it looked into it and I think it

1096
01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:59.479
would be pretty valuable if I'm going
to look that up. I just think

1097
01:27:59.479 --> 01:28:02.800
that there's lot of things like that
would be probably really good way to explain

1098
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:05.880
to people some things and be able
to just pop it out and be well,

1099
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:10.000
check this out, you know.
And if they don't care, they

1100
01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:14.199
don't care. I'm not. I'm
not worried people care. They don't.

1101
01:28:14.279 --> 01:28:17.199
I just know that if I was
me and someone knew what I feel like,

1102
01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:21.359
I know I would want them to
tell me. So I'm always going

1103
01:28:21.439 --> 01:28:26.640
to try when it feels right,
when my intuition says say something, I'm

1104
01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:31.760
going to say something. You know, it only brings good in my mind,

1105
01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:35.760
absolutely it. You know, it's
it's important information to have and you

1106
01:28:35.800 --> 01:28:38.840
can lead a horse, you know, it's but it's up to them to

1107
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:44.319
take what the information you give them
and for them to find their journey.

1108
01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:48.479
Because if you try to force feed, it'll it'll push them away. Yeah

1109
01:28:48.520 --> 01:28:53.720
absolutely, And I know we don't
have time for it, but I'll probably

1110
01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:57.720
want sending you an email with some
questions that I did want to bring up

1111
01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:02.439
about the Bible that there's just not
time for. So don't be surprised if

1112
01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:06.239
you get an email from me about
that. Yeah. Absolutely, And we'll

1113
01:29:06.239 --> 01:29:11.520
put those links in. Yeah absolutely, and we'll put those in the show

1114
01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:15.560
notes as well. We've got a
lot for the show notes, including the

1115
01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:20.039
Dollar Vigilante. I've got the link
to Jordan Maxwell's Maritime Admirrality law, Pollow

1116
01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:24.319
thirteen. All kinds of great stuff. And if there's anything that you want

1117
01:29:24.319 --> 01:29:27.439
to add, please, you know, feel free to share them with me

1118
01:29:27.520 --> 01:29:30.279
before Sunday night and I'll get them
or even past I can always add them

1119
01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:34.920
down the road. But it's been
a great conversation and it's very humbling to

1120
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:40.960
hear someone who's just you know,
you know, just taking a piece of

1121
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:44.840
land and making it their own.
I've known so many people post twenty twenty.

1122
01:29:45.000 --> 01:29:46.800
My best friend down in Texas he
did the same thing about ten acres.

1123
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:51.000
Uh. He actually bought my thirty
three foot camper before we left and

1124
01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:54.680
came up here and they've been living
out of that why they build their house

1125
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:58.399
and it's just the way to go. And again, you know, I

1126
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:02.279
learned my first War ire Act when
we lived in a completely austere environment,

1127
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:08.359
what it means to everything you do
uh to survive. And there's a lot

1128
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:13.119
of people who want a homestead,
but like everything else, you've got to

1129
01:30:13.159 --> 01:30:16.640
have a you have to have expectations
to realize not not every day is it

1130
01:30:16.680 --> 01:30:19.159
is cotton, candy and ice cream. You're gonna have some tough days.

1131
01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:24.840
And it's a lot of work as
well. Absolutely, it's a lot of

1132
01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:30.279
work. But the benefit out way, oh the negative and that work will

1133
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:33.760
make you healthier, it'll bring you
closer to to the real way that people

1134
01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:39.199
could be living. Absolutely right,
Well, we're we're out of time,

1135
01:30:39.199 --> 01:30:41.920
but I do want to give you
the last word to address the audience before

1136
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:50.520
we close. Appreciate it. I
think that on that topic, you can,

1137
01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:55.960
you can do those things, you
can change your mind about things,

1138
01:30:56.399 --> 01:31:00.319
and you can you can go out
live like that. I know when twenty

1139
01:31:00.359 --> 01:31:06.199
twenty happened, there was a lot
it's just been trending. I'm gonna go

1140
01:31:06.199 --> 01:31:09.359
out and get some land and get
some chickens and do this, and that

1141
01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:15.960
you could absolutely do it. I
came out here, given I'd already lived

1142
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:18.840
in a school box that was converted
into a house for a year on the

1143
01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:23.640
road. I drove it out here
and parked it. You could do that

1144
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:27.880
with any type of camper, like
you said. You know, we built

1145
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:32.079
the stepic system, made sure that
we were a buiding by the county's rules.

1146
01:31:32.159 --> 01:31:34.560
And then they and then they walk
away and you're good to go.

1147
01:31:35.199 --> 01:31:39.399
You know, there's a few things
you gotta do, but you can do

1148
01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:43.319
it absolutely. We've raised you know, we've we've got more eggs than we

1149
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:47.000
could ever eat. We sell eggs
to the local store. We have raised

1150
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:55.560
meat, chickens, turkeys, we've
raised beef here. We've had you could

1151
01:31:55.560 --> 01:31:58.640
fill your freezer full of meat.
You could. You could grow as many

1152
01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:01.560
vegetables. You won't even be able
to eat as many vegetables or can them.

1153
01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:06.119
You won't even have the time to
do it. Like it. This

1154
01:32:06.279 --> 01:32:14.439
earth is incredible and and you can. You can do it. Don't don't

1155
01:32:14.439 --> 01:32:18.119
not do it because because you're afraid. Because once you step in, like

1156
01:32:18.159 --> 01:32:20.960
you said, once you open the
door, and step your foot in there.

1157
01:32:20.960 --> 01:32:26.199
There's a path there. It's a
beautiful it's a beautiful path that you

1158
01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:28.880
can go down. Yeah, it's
gonna be really hard. We've raised it.

1159
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.520
My wife is not pregnant. When
we moved here. We had a

1160
01:32:31.600 --> 01:32:39.319
child here on this plant, lived
off of spring water and systems that we

1161
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:44.760
built here, and raised a super
atome kids now three years old. It's

1162
01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:51.079
absolutely possible, and you can do
it all under under the fermament, under

1163
01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:57.680
whatever it is that's going on here, you know, and it's like a

1164
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:03.039
giant bavarium. Uh. That is
just the most amazing thing you could ever

1165
01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:09.039
do. That would be my you
know, that's my final word. You

1166
01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:12.239
can definitely do it, and when
you do it, it will only bring

1167
01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:15.800
you closer to what you're looking for. Hey man, well, best of

1168
01:33:16.359 --> 01:33:20.840
I hate to use the word luck, but congratulations on having the convictions to

1169
01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:25.279
do everything that you've done. And
you've I'm sure you've built an amazing home

1170
01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:28.119
for your family and you're going to
have that for years to come. And

1171
01:33:28.119 --> 01:33:32.479
one thing I really wanted to mention
is to maintain history with your family.

1172
01:33:32.680 --> 01:33:36.159
You had mentioned that about ten or
fifteen minutes ago. We kept a journal

1173
01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:40.079
during COVID, and we're going to
pass it down to our children, and

1174
01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:43.840
I hope they keep it pass it
down to their children because all of these

1175
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:46.800
things that they do, they use
the same playbook over and over. And

1176
01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:50.720
I hope that you know, whether
it's one or three generations from now,

1177
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:55.760
the next time they try to do
something like that, that people will have

1178
01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:00.079
that information within family to realize when
they're trying to be doue. So God

1179
01:34:00.119 --> 01:34:04.479
bless you and your family and everything
on your homestead. Hope you have a

1180
01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:10.039
bountiful uh you know, summer into
the fall. And I look forward to

1181
01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:13.000
your emails and I will answer your
questions the best I can, and I'll

1182
01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:17.119
share them in the show notes as
well with the listeners. Thank you,

1183
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:19.880
George, appreciate you having me all
right. Well, God bless it's been

1184
01:34:19.880 --> 01:34:25.920
an amazing another amazing conversation. Thank
you to all our listeners. Don't forget

1185
01:34:25.960 --> 01:34:30.319
the website, the flat Earth Files
dot com, email the flat Earth Files

1186
01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:32.960
at gmail dot com. God bless
everyone. Have a great week. And

1187
01:34:33.159 --> 01:34:35.720
until we meet again, my friends, keep your head on a swivel and

1188
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:46.880
we will see you. I know
it's been a struggle. I don't know

1189
01:34:47.000 --> 01:35:00.119
you've had I feel the tie hell
down all the way? Yeah, you

1190
01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:09.800
feeling more? Your smile ain't the
same. I saw you wall go from

1191
01:35:10.199 --> 01:35:18.119
You feel like you've lost your way. Don't give up, No, don't

1192
01:35:18.279 --> 01:35:26.119
give it and nevers home. Don't
let call the primis. He ain't dumb

1193
01:35:26.239 --> 01:35:30.199
Yankees. God up playing? Why
it's a right time? God up?

1194
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:46.920
Let me come? Why wait?
God up? Come? I can see

1195
01:35:47.000 --> 01:35:56.319
the straight beside you. Childs are
putting up the five. Oh you're stronger

1196
01:35:56.319 --> 01:36:03.119
than any thing. You guy,
You're gone be all ride. You're accepting

1197
01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:12.680
a dead fouled beautiful. You're shoving
ride. Yeah, you're live and breathing.

1198
01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:21.359
Move you can hold your head a
pie. Don't give up. No,

1199
01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:28.439
don't give in. Never lose home. Don't let go on the primise.

1200
01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:33.479
It ain't done Yet's God, I
plant. Wat's a waintel, the

1201
01:36:33.560 --> 01:36:40.840
god of me because don't give up. No, don't give in. You

1202
01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:45.159
never lose home. Don't let go
on the primis. It ain't con of

1203
01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:56.720
life. It's worth living. Wat's
a wain town. The god bac why

1204
01:36:56.800 --> 01:37:05.359
it's a place. God? Oh
yes, what's a break down? The

1205
01:37:05.520 --> 01:37:27.520
god? Oh yeah, got TV
don't give up, No, don't give

1206
01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:33.079
in nevers home? Do they go
of the primis I mean and done?

1207
01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:43.640
Yeast got a playing waits kind of
in it cos don't give no dog giving

1208
01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:49.680
whatever its home. Don't they go
of the crimes it ain't done? Others

1209
01:37:49.760 --> 01:38:05.800
worth living in works And the God
of ivy cos all the god of needs?

1210
01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:21.520
Why the god of cage. You're
listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

1211
01:38:26.119 --> 01:38:26.960
Just the facts, ma'amy.