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what we've been suspecting all along may
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sure of it. Get into your
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for your heart. Good daytail.
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and this is Paranormal Dimensions with David
Yap. Hello, Welcome to the show.

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We're ruly halfway through January, so
we're willing into twenty twenty four and

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this is the second show already now
on this extra show, and it's a

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special show. We're going to be
talking about life after death with an amazing

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special guests I'd just like to read
this where it offered to my choice.

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I should have no objection to a
repetition of the same life from its beginning,

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only asking the advantage authors have in
the second edition to correct some faults

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of the first. So would I
if I might, besides correcting the faults,

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change some sinister accidents and events of
it for others more favorable. That

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was written by Benjamin Franklin. Of
course, if Benjamin Franklin was planning on

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coming back and there's a few things
he would like to correct throughout his life.

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First of all, he's got to
have a life after death, so

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he must have believed in that.
Now, my guest today is someone who

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believes he can prove that there is
life after death and he's seen enough evidence

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of it. And that special guest
is mister Nick Kyle, who's quite well

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known in the UK. Here Now, if you haven't heard of Nick Cole,

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I would suggest you seek him out
in anywhere you can find him a

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YouTube, etc. Because some of
his research over the years has been amazing.

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I was very fortunate to see him
do a presentation in the Manchester recently

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or just last year, and he
knocked me out from that, I actually

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invited him on the show and I'm
so pleased he's agreed to come on so

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without further ado, and I'm so
looking forward to this, like to bring

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on mister Nick Kyle. Hello,
Nick, welcome to this special show.

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Oh David, it's nice to be
here. It's it's I've been it's fantastic.

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Or after your amazing presentation Awake in
the middle of last year, I

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really could wait to get you on
the show because I think for our audience

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out there, if anyone wants evidence
of life after death, I think you're

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one of the people that's going to
give it. So yep, that's been

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my life of experience. I'm now
in the possession of doing have a belief

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in the Afterlafe. I can see
handing heart. I've experienced the extensive communication

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with people in the spirit world or
the afternoon. I mean, as I

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say, you gave a presentation here
in the UK, we had an experiment,

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five year experiment. I wasn't involved
in it, but I think it

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was nineteen ninety three. I think
it began. It was a five year

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experiment called a skull experiment. Now
that was basically what your talk was about.

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And was that something that actually convinced
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You've got your own experiences are now, but I've had a lot of

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investigations of the sensible part of normal
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was partly as a result of that
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of the school settings. For those
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familiar with the term, it's s
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version of school. Yeah, oh
Skull. It's a little village near this

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in Norfolk in England. And I
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to several sealances where I had seen
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was on another level. I remember
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Robin Foy, was giving up a
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and I said to him, will
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dark? Are you're going to use
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And you laughed and you said,
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but there'll be plenty of spirit lights
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any problem seeing who was sitting there
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important for being the dark when we
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I mean, what the other ones
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in the dog basically? Is that
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it used to be important, But
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methods that might involve vectoplasm for a
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still allows physical phenomena, but it's
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So I've been asked about this just
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of like horses for courses. Some
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on their surroundings. Others link with
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higher vibrational frequencies and energies that may
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the accomplish everything that traditional medium used
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lot more. I think things are
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phenomena in bright light, but when
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to me, we can work in
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more energy to do that, and
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bit like being burned, as if
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can, we can do it,
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fun. I was in a Glasgow
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tables began to rise into the air
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to do something and they were up
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couple of medium friends. Actually involved
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do with our company. And I
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fear on the restaurant to lose their
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have been quite shocking over those you
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would have done tyble tap and and
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felt like it was a spring underneath
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a hand off the table. So
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tables movie lot you've just described.
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was touching that we were setting there. Well, I'll tell you that the

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story because it can be told quickly
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to meeting to medium friends, and
we have a very active sense of guma

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between us. So I saw a
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on, and it said, let's
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you know, making fun of that
happy DM sort of phrase. You know.

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It seized the day. So I
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we sat down at the table,
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of the mediums with a physical medium
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that? Are we going to carpet
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that's when the table rose about eighteen
inches into the air and I put my

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hands up to force it down something
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environment to be doing this to my
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I couldn't budget and that surprised me
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one that was as light as a
better. I had no impact on the

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table. But were you actually the
cause of it? You seek my physical

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medium friend, does this or does
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want to to mention names about people's
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paranormal investigator come up to Scotland and
we agreed that we would go to this

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particular restaurant with the same same medium
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would pay his bill. So,
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And he said in thirty five years
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of physical phenomena, he'd never seen
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director, film producer friend of mine
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And I said, you won't put
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He came to the same restaurant at
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around. So you know, it's
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but for people that I've never experienced
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the world that they take for devantage
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And all of a sudden, it's
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beyond it, like you say,
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You know? I mean when people
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that, and that's the card of
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always expect to say, but they're
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you know. I mean, I've
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of hunted houses and so, and
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of expectation and you believe tired and

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a little disillusion m h. And
the phenomena that people do experience is sometimes

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not supported by other people, you
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in a vacation on their own.
The Scottish Society Presideon could go research when

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it ran vidgels. When I was
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we always teamed up in at least
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other's company to verify or not what
one of the light experience. And that

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worked really well because it meant there
was there was a witness there for anything

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that happened. There's not a lot
of point, I think going into places

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when you don't have people to back
up your claims. Mhm. So do

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you actually do any investigations now?
What would you call them? In the

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past, I've scaled back investigations for
several reasons. I think, Well,

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the honest truth is that when I
walk through the door, the phenomena stops.

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It's very unusual for the phenomena to
continue in front of me. When

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I'm in a stranger's home, normally
just employes in itself and it stops.

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And then when I leave, it
usually stays away. But if it does

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come back, it's a less strong
demonstration as it will. I don't know

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why that is. I don't credit
myself with any particular power over the phenomena,

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but I do go in with an
attitude, and I'm happy to share

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it with your listeners. You go
in and you're respectful, just as you

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are with any stranger that mean,
and you are positive, and you try

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to see things from their point of
view, and I'm talking about see see

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it from the spirit person's point of
view. And then you explain to them

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that rather than being stuck in a
location and causing distress perhaps to women and

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children, they would they would be
much better to focus on themselves and spiritual

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development, because it doesn't stop at
the point of physical debt, and that,

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in fact, if they wish they
could, the euphemism would be seek

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the light. But it's that core
idea. And I can say, do

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you want me to get some people
in the spirit world to come and help

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me do that? Because maybe you're
flight and they're scared, but you can't

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see and experience the light, and
you've never had the welcome because of the

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circumstances of what's tied you to the
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And I would say eighteen nineteen out
of twenty cases, I think the

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person goes away. You know.
I was in a haunted house where the

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doctor was a previous resident, and
I said to you, a man of

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your calibursa, with your high moral
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not be frightening women and children.
And it was quite startled, and I

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said, why don't you live up
to the values you had when you were

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in the earth, But take them
into the spirit world. They're unsure.

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Your services and skills will still be
needed, even although it will not be

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physical bodies. You'll be looking them. And he walked out the first floor

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window, just as if it was
a doorway, and never came back.

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And I checked six years later and
he still had never returned. Well,

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so how do you go about explaining
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everybody in the spirit world is fully
aware of what they're doing and the effect

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it has and people around them.
Some are, some are mischievous and have

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the portaguis of course, but I
think if you explain to them respectfully and

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ask them to move on and give
them the reasons. I mean, I

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had to explain to one person that
you know, the building has changed owners

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several times, this is no longer
your bace of work, and you're home,

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and and it was as if they
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of spirits experience of this world,
there's been dreamline mm hmmm, because if

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we had a dream about the spirit
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that we would feel surprised at or
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quality of dream unless you're one of
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Mm hmm. Oh. Do you
do you feel that spirits that we

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do we interact with all these ghost
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come across, do you think that
these are the ones that are kind of

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earthbound? But yeah, but other
spirits can go way beyond that, and

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they're not interested in coming back to
talk to us. Would you believe that

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the Yeah, basically, I mean
I think, look how your your window,

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David, and choose one hundred people. The majority of them will be

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like yourself, wanting to be happy
and successful and wanting to be kind,

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you know. And in the spirit
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character, and so it doesn't change
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So most of the work that I
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dealing with reasonable people who are prepared
to listen and talk back, of course,

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and most of them are quite willing
to move on simply because you ask

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them, or because you explain the
reason why. And just as it would

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be if someone come into your house
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eyewn it? But why you he
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and you talk back, and you
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on. It's the ones that don't
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you those are the challenging cases because
they need me be a second bit of

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pub So I only now work with
people who are in distress or with his

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children involved. I used to be
a school teacher, so a children I've

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still got a soft spot for helping
distress children. But generally Spirit work with

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me spontaneously, so I can't just
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right. I want Spirit to step
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doesn't always work like that. I'll
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help spontaneously, and Spirit will do
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there's an lack of predictability. It's
not I compare it to basketball. I

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was told that the greatest basketball player
in the world only got about seventy eight

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to eighty percent of his baskets that
he aimed at, but he was still

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that's a pretty high school Michael Jordan
I think was his name, and whatever

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the figure was, everybody thought it
was the best in the history of the

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game. But he didn't get one
hundred percent. Right, medium Ship and

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sworking this, but it's a bit
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And we were speaking before this program
started about a medium and that you

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were saying or sorry. A person
that was speaking to me was saying she

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was very very good. But that
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percent of the messages off are getting, not quite and she'll still be probably

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amongst the best out there. We
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which is ninety one percent functional,
nots. It's open to a lot more

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influences. Yeah, there were a
lot that the something more much more sensily

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after others as well. You know, something very late in life. Not

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everybody that says they want help actually
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People can be confused and mixed up. And I remember once working with

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a person who was in severe pain, and initially they said that the pain

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had eased and that was fine,
that was the purpose. But then they

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come back, said the pains come
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it would, because you invited it
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Is it defined your life? And
it meant you don't need to have

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a job, and you're the center
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you've got lots of the support and
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pain, then you could go find
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would change. Drastically. You know
this, and that's why the pains come

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down. Yeah. Well, interesting, when you were talking about your being

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in the school school teacher, I
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debut Yeah yeah. Did you have
any paralleble experiences actually in the school that

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thought? Were you saying things there? Yeah? Yeah, not so much

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seeing things. I used to get
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knocking. You can tell sometimes from
the quality of the sound whether it's portageist

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or not. But I used to
just turn and say they would you stop

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doing that? Please? This is
not the right time. But if you

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want to meet me tonight at my
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And it always stop. We were
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it, or they were aware of, let's say, by the psychic side

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of my life, because they would
occasionally seeing your things outside of the school

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about what I was doing, and
I got a clear ribbing for it.

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I had also side. Did I
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would take it seriously, especially if
I gave him a message. We had

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a supply teacher coming in and she
was upset and she was sent to me

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as deputy head for it to find
out what was going on. There were

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a bit of support and she walked
in and there was a young man with

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blonde hair walking behind her in Spirit
and she sat down and she said,

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I feel very embarrassed. But something
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And she said, and I'm still
grieving. And I said, well,

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you know that's that's understandable, and
your circumstances that your son doesn't want to

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be and she looked at me.
I said, we're standing behind you,

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just behind the right shoulder, and
he's concerned that you're upset. He said,

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don't be concerned about him. He's
happy. Although he missus you,

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he's happy. And she wrote about
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expect that from school management. But
I have to be clear, I didn't

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do that very often. I once
counseled the girl who was upset and wouldn't

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talk to anyone, including me.
So I said to Spirit, what's what's

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upset? And they said to me, she's pregnant, and she she she

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can't be the thought of telling her
parents because of the shame that the hostile

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reaction. And I said, but
I can help him with that. I'll

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tell her parents and and I turned
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this is your problem. And she
looked and she said, how could you

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know that nobody? I haven't told
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I just have a feeling. I
said, and that I also have

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a feeling that and should bring your
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in terming them so you don't need
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she burst into tears. And you
know, eight months later she brought a

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child in to school to sort of
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yeah, and she she she needed
help at the time, but our family

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came round too as it worked out
okay. But I feel a little uncomfortable

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talking about it, only because I
did a very professional job as a deput

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head and I didn't interfere with people's
lives. So if I knew there was

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a romantic relationship going on and that
the people involved with thought it was kept

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a secret, it wasn't a secret
from me. But I never exploited the

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situation to personal advantage. I was
always supported with non judgment from them just

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as well. Yeah, let him
who is without sin you know, cast

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the first the first time. Yeah, of course absolutely. I mean,

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we're all guilty. I'd go back
to that skull at the skull experiment.

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Is any sort of things that you
can talk about that you experienced there.

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Yes. At the time, which
was the late nineteen nineties, I wrote

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a short article, just a couple
of pages, maybe describing the first visit

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and a second, and I'm happy
to glance at those notes and go through

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what it was like to be there, because even people who know about the

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experiments might not know what it was
like to be in the room and what

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happened there that was so evidential.
It certainly was the icing the cake for

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me. I had already got a
belief in the after life, but to

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see what was happening was jaw dropping. Really that I'm not given to superfluous

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kin compliments, but this was awesome. Maybe you're American. American listeners will

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find that a fairly ordinary term to
use, but it's probably one of the

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few times in my life that I
would say it is merited. It was

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awesome. And shall I go through
the story? Well? Please too?

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Yeah, please stop me if if
I go on too long, So I

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don't think you could go too long. You can listen to you or not.

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Going back to September or ninety six, my wife and I went with

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three friends from Scotland, all of
whom were interested in its spiritualist phenomena and

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physical phenomenon. We sat with a
small group of host mediums, four mediums

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and I'll come back to the later
to foody bear and we sat in the

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cellar of a house in Norfolk and
now you know, and as the village

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of school physical phenomena clearly demonstrated in
several ways, many ways, for over

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an hour, and we were all
very impeensed. But so much depends on

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the witness is when you hear a
story like that. I mean. Our

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group comprised of ahead of computer services
at a university, a qualified hypnotherapist,

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a training manager for a national company, and two promoted teachers, one of

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whom had a research degree and a
background in psychology. But more importantly,

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none of us were new to the
spiritually scene. We had all sat in

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various circles over the years where had
attended successful demonstrations of trans and physical mediumship.

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Before one of our group had even
led a course in physical mediumship that

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got plaudits, and we were critical
of mediumship and demonstrations, but our traditional

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expts of what to expect did little
to prepare us for the sustained, visual,

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inexplicable objects that we all agreed we
saw. We were living in Scotland

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and we had actually been sitting my
wife and I with a couple of others

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for the development of physical mediumship for
several months at home. We had been

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encouraged by our experiences. We would
get some changes of temperature, we would

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get a sense of a presence,
we would have perhaps occasional touches and flashes

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of light. But we had joined
other groups over the years and we had

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come with these varied experiences, and
we all shared the desire to witness unambiguous

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physically but then something that nobody could
be in any doubt about, and two

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of us were members of the Scottish
Society for Psychical Research. Fueled our interests

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but also frustrated it because we never
really found unambiguous evidence. It could all

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be made the explained, and even
the school experiments. People used to say,

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ah, it took place in the
dark. Yeah, well I'll deal

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with that shortly. But it didn't
just take place in the dark. I

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was beginning to doubt whether the sightings
that in the literature and that I heard

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about with the odd video clips are
relating an Internet. I doubted if it

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would ever happen for me, especially
when the case investigations the phenomena would implode

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upon my arrival. I thought that
might happen at school as well. But

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if we could see the unambiguous phenomena, even touch it and hold it,

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we all knew it would have a
profound effect on our interest in physical mediumship

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would increase if they laws of physics
were useduped in front of me, and

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they were. I had heard about
impressive phenomena regularly at the host group,

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the school group, for many months
prior to being invited, and we had

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also spoken with the late Professor Archi
Roy, who was a founder of the

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SSPR and also a president of the
SPR in London, and he was given

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good evidence. One of the things
that he said is I spoke to someone

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in spirit, he said. Now
I think I know who it was,

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he said, But when they began
to talk about celestial mechanics, I knew

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there was only half a dozen people
in the world that could talk and hold

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that conversation with me because he was
a professor of astronomy, he said,

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and some of them were dead already, so to hear them speaking through a

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medium using terms that were not in
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impressive for me. Apart from the
life, which she almost dismissed. You

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know that the light phenomena just it
didn't impact on them as much as that

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conversation. So we went down.
We expected to be disappointed. Physical phenomena

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is relatively rare, unreliable transient.
So what was it we saw? Let's

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get to the number it. In
blackout conditions, for over an hour,

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lights like large LEDs moved responsively,
responsively around the circle of ice beans,

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illuminating their immediate surroundings and entering solid
objects such as a crystal are passing through

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a table. And you might say, a, but magicians can't do that.

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Yeah, but magicians can't take an
orb and put it inside your chest

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so that titles you your ribcage from
the inside. And that happened to my

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wife in front of me. I
could hear her squealing, not in pain,

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but because this sensation it was just
as a light hit her in the

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chest and went and sign These were
energy lights, if you liked. They

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weren't LED's. And I'm going to
explain how I know that they partially illumined

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their surroundings as they sped around at
high speed, so that I could see

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the people in the room opposite me
as the light passed by them. And

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they were at one point a dozen
lights, and at the most about twenty

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any one time. So we were
astounded by this light show, this spectacle,

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but even more astounded when a materialized
hand appeared in front of us and

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picked up a bowl that was on
the coppy table. When the disembodied boys

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spoke at length was with us from
the center of this small room. I

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was astonished when my wife was levitated
in a chair, objects move, bells

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rang, no one was seen to
touch them. Several people were touched by

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these lights, so they weren't light
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And at one point I trapped the
lights in my hands like this and

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moved my fingers to make sure that
there was no fishing line or slender thread

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attached to the lights. But the
lights also responded to requests, so I

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held out my hand and said,
the lights haven't touched my hand yet and

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they had for other people. And
the lights shot around the room as if

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it was a half circle that tapped
my hand like this, and then other

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as if waiting for what happens next, shone the light into my face and

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then zoomed off with the speed of
an arrow. These things had never happened

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to me. And throughout all there
was cul it and significant clear voyance from

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the mediums who were in deep trance, so deep that later on they said

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that they had no memory of what
happened in need to tell them. So

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the journey back to Scotland that evening
was a high speed buzzz of chatter.

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We tried to process what we had
experienced. But when we went back to

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my home and we started the next
home circle, which was a weekly affair,

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the energized crystal that I had purchased
from the stool group glowed in the

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dark of my home, so much
so I could read a newspaper by it,

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but only holding it against it very
closely, that's to give you a

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sense of the glow. And then
it didn't go after that. A week

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later it only sparked on the points
of the trystal, white blots crystal and

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the week after that it never glowed, it never sparked, and it never

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has since, even although I used
it often in say honest is and also

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for healing purposes. And the energy
whatever it was, I think was to

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do the school larther than me.
So we were disappointed in as much as

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we were told it was a once
in a lifetime visit. So you can

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imagine how I reacted when Robin Foye, the organizer, pulling me up and

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said can you come back? And
I said, but I thought it was

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a once in a lifetime visitor said
yes? Or did we That's the rule

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we've been following for years. But
Spirit got in touch and said they want

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to do an experiment the likes of
which we have never done. We might

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have said has never been done,
but I think he was referring to them.

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And six months later we went,
and this time, of course,

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we had high expectations because we thought
we would get more of the same.

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But what was this strange experiment that
they were talking about that they themselves,

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the Spirit team and the school group, had never attempted before, And why

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were we meant to be there?
And the answer was we brought really good

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energy with us, and they handpicked
five people from England and they had ten

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really good, energized participants, and
that helped the phenomenon. In the same

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cellar room of painted brick concrete floors
and a copy table with fourteen chairs around

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00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:34,360
at four of which were used by
the post mediums, I checked the security

409
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:40,119
of the room before because I had
begun to wonder in my skeptical stupidity was

410
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:45,159
where we were in a planetarium where
fiber optic cables were being used by a

411
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:52,519
computer to make it seem as if
there was a three dimensional hologram light effect.

412
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,280
But of course when the lights come
down to you, shine your base

413
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,920
and allow you to hold them as
I did, then you realize that's just

414
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,159
stupid. You've got to look at
your skeptically the first place. Yeah,

415
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,519
and I did. I mean,
I've seen David copperfield work, and I

416
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:14,079
have an interest in conjuring just as
an amateur hobby. So I know that

417
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,760
David Copperfield can do things that we
wouldn't be able to explain. But it

418
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,000
needs a couple of articulated lorries and
a whole team of people to set it

419
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:28,719
up in a darkened auditorium where he's
worked out mathematically the angles of the audience

420
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,039
and what they can see. There
was nothing like that in school, and

421
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:40,000
there was no checking like that anyway. These lights there was. There were

422
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:47,000
small pale green blue color. They
changed a little bit for reasons that I

423
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,599
think have to do with the lights
rather than us. They momentarily illuminated these

424
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:58,199
blackout conditions, but there was a
difference. Some of the lights seemed hooded

425
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,840
like a like a tiny toplight.
And what was interesting was as the lights

426
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:09,719
zoomed around, other lights came down
and picked up people's faces or items on

427
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,679
the copy table. And as the
lights went round the upper part of the

428
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,039
room, they never lost their target
object. They kept the focus on the

429
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:25,960
object their little torch lights. So
it would be a fantastic thing to even

430
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,800
imagine that a couple of human beings
could manipuate to these lights and never lose

431
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:37,000
their accuracy from what were pointing out, despite the fact they were puzzing around

432
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:45,000
the room at the same time.
So sometimes the lights would hover inches from

433
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:50,440
our hands, her feet to her
faces, allowing unambiguous corroboration amongst the sitters.

434
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,679
So if a light was shining into
my face, everyone in the room

435
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,679
could see my foats, and if
it moved to somebody else, everyone in

436
00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:01,719
the room could see them. And
then the two media in trans told us

437
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,159
we are about to see phenomena which
has never been seen before by this group.

438
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,679
They weren't even sure exactly what we
would see because it was coming from

439
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:19,239
a dimension to which the Spirit team
did not have access. So we waited.

440
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,000
And despite the impressive evidence that we
had received in the previous sitting and

441
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:30,599
so far that that day, this
announcement to me seemed fanciful and imaginative,

442
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:37,079
and I did have a dubiety about
it all. And then lights appear bigger

443
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:44,239
and in groups, this time linked
together by blue white beams and forming a

444
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:51,880
series of three dimensional, partly translucent
shapes that became solid the longer they moved

445
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,280
around the room, and they moved
at varying speeds, sometimes very fast.

446
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:06,159
From one horver triangle, which was
wedge shaped, its tiny searchlight beams came

447
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,519
from underneath it and explored the room
the sitters the table as if it was

448
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:20,639
checking out the environment. Two other
horizontal tubes seemed to carry hazier, irregular

449
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:28,800
shapes underneath it, And while I
could look into these horizontal tubes. The

450
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,039
tube might have been two and a
half feet long, but it looked as

451
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,239
I was looking into it, seven
ten twelve feet in depth. It was

452
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:46,159
one of these cleidoscopic things that you
couldn't even trust how long it was when

453
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:51,119
you looked inside it. And then
a little pair of hands came out from

454
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,920
one of the tubes. There were
miniaturized female hands, I think, like

455
00:40:54,079 --> 00:41:00,559
maybe a little girl's hands, or
miniaturized the female hands an adult maybe,

456
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,400
and they bless each of the participants
by opening the hands, going to the

457
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,360
next space and going like that,
going to the next space and open hands

458
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:17,440
and right round all the visidoms.
And I don't even know how you would

459
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:21,599
do that if you were a conjuct. I mean, it's such a fantastic

460
00:41:21,679 --> 00:41:23,840
vision as well. And it's not
something you would make up anyway, is

461
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,599
it. If you were going to
make something up, you would like something

462
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,360
more. You know what a schnook
helicopter's like, Yeah, bulbous at both

463
00:41:32,519 --> 00:41:38,079
ends. Imagine a small one of
them with no blades on top, and

464
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:45,239
it's moving around, but it's carrying
something underneath. Something that is it looks

465
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:52,320
like a piece of tissue or a
handkerchief, and as this object swings around

466
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:58,000
the room, the lines go up
and follow the trajectory as they would if

467
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000
it was a real copt But there
were no hurrying blades and no sound.

468
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Come what else. There were shapes
that were perplexing and are difficult to describe.

469
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:20,760
I've mentioned the tubes and the hands
coming from one of the tubes,

470
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:27,440
but there there was accurately ns There
were things moving in the room. There

471
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,559
were things disappearing in front of your
reappearing in mid air. Sometimes it's very

472
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:39,400
difficult to give you a minute by
minute for me your explanation of everything.

473
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:50,800
I've just given you the things that
impressed me. So the accurate clearvoyance is

474
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,960
just to give you an example.
My wife as a phobia about snakes,

475
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,400
and we stayed in an inn accommodation
which the own, the proprietor, had

476
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:09,159
a snake in an aquarium glass tank
on the landing outside our bedroom. So

477
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,199
my wife stuffed towels under the door
and said I couldn't sleep. And it

478
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,639
was a big snake, a big
board constrictor, but she wouldn't believe it

479
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:23,119
couldn't slide under the door, and
she she was very embarrassed and decided not

480
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,320
to reveal this, but she didn't
get a lot of sleep. You can

481
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,760
imagine the host medium and said,
spirit, we're laughing last night you were,

482
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,159
you know, being worried. We
won't say to the group what you

483
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:43,400
don't want us to say. We'll
just say we were aware of your feelings

484
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,280
and we'll leave it at that.
And I think they gave back to a

485
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,280
few more details, but they didn't
mention the snake. My wife did later

486
00:43:52,400 --> 00:44:00,639
on to explain what that MISSI was
about. So let's let's be really analytically.

487
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:07,639
Could it have been a holographic light
show using next generation technology, using

488
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:16,360
hidden projectives, with images maintained speed
under the table with clarity. We can't

489
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,719
do that, or least in the
late nineteen nineties, we couldn't do that,

490
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:24,559
because as soon as you move a
holographic image of gloves plus you need

491
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:31,159
three oil dampened platforms in which to
set your projectors and the constant line of

492
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,800
sight, or you lose the integrity
of the image. We had lights that

493
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,760
kept their integrity under tables round about
feet underneath us, inside my hands,

494
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,639
so that idea doesn't hold water.
But one of the things you don't know

495
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:51,800
me about about me is that I
do work in the film and television industry

496
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,880
as a humble driver, so I
don't want to think I'm an actor.

497
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,360
But in meeting production people, I
met a couple of CGI experts I think

498
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:09,000
they were from Sony Pictures, and
I described the phenomena without saying it was

499
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:15,400
physical spiritualist phenomena. And I said, could you replicate that? And they

500
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,360
said no? And I said,
come on, guys, over a million

501
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,719
quint together and you could keep it. Surely you could do it. And

502
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,719
they said no, we want to
do it, but we couldn't. And

503
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,639
I said, why not it?
And they said, you've not been listening

504
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:36,880
to us. We need three large
oil damp and the platforms are you've only

505
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,079
pick up the vibration from the vehicles
passing the road outside. You don't have

506
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,880
room in a room that's fourteen feet
square and it's got fourteen people in it.

507
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:51,880
You know you don't have a space
to have those comments. And secondly,

508
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,880
you describe being touched. The best
hologram in the world won't have a

509
00:45:54,880 --> 00:46:00,079
physical touch effect on me. And
they went on to give another couple of

510
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:07,840
examples where it couldn't be a light
show done by people. Could it be

511
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:14,760
tiny, moral, noiseless aircraft that
gyrate and hobbard and streaked around the room

512
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:21,639
at great speeds, never ones crashing
or hurting anyone, impressive exterity coming to

513
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,480
rest on the palms of our hands
without any errors. Where with these anti

514
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:32,840
gravitational devices were the messages from mid
air because one of the participants was up

515
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,320
in trolley twister. But it would
also neend to be an accurate, clear

516
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:44,840
voyant medium. You know, It's
just I think the explanations are sillier than

517
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,880
just accepting what the bloody olvious,
which as you're saying things that are not

518
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:55,920
every day in this world and suggest
that there are other dimensions of existence that

519
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:02,079
occasionally overlap with our own. But
you need the right people in the right

520
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:07,000
place, with the right intentions,
and you need the cooperation not just of

521
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:15,360
the spirit team, but of other
dimensional people or entities who want to collaborate

522
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:22,360
for the purposes of evidence. So
that's my description of the two visits there

523
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:27,719
are for people who think I'd like
to know more about those kind of things

524
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,880
that have been books written. There's
a three under page scientific before it was

525
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:40,679
very controversial and still is. But
the investigators were good quality scholars with professors

526
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,440
and one of electrical engineering, one
of psychology. They never at any time

527
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:54,039
saw even a single example of attempted
from and they didn't think they're an example

528
00:47:54,119 --> 00:48:00,400
of successful Colde Island. It was
as it appeared to be. Is that

529
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:02,480
the pool that was republished in two
thousand and six, I think you will

530
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:07,719
see I'll think that is a particular
book. Well, there was a there

531
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,480
was a book called The School Experiments
by Grant and Ruth Solomon, which I

532
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,800
think is now in the second or
isn't it second edition that it might even

533
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,400
be about to produce a third edition, being very popular, and it's written

534
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,239
for the layman. But there was
also a scientific report that was written for

535
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:32,119
the Society for Psychical resin But at
the time it came out it was controversial,

536
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:38,119
and I would suggest politely that it
was controversial because these were very difficult

537
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:45,159
experiences to explain. That's why it
was controversial. It really lifted the bar

538
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,079
of evidence to a very high level. Now here's the thing I want to

539
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:54,719
stress to your audience. It wasn't
just happening at school, right, They

540
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,199
went to America, and it happened
in front of NASA. NASA will never

541
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,199
admit and I think that they attended
a meeting and that they saw like phenomena

542
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,880
like that that they couldn't explain.
It happened in Abida in Spain. It

543
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:14,800
happened with my physical medium primd that
I was speaking about earlier, who went

544
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:21,679
out to see Robin and Sandra Fi
and brought through the entire spirit team physically

545
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,480
into the room. They all materialized. Robin said he was in tears hugging

546
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,159
people that had been communicating with for
years, and he thought he had lost

547
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:37,280
like members of his family. He
was in the state of grief. And

548
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:45,039
back in Scotland, I continued to
do circles and with physical mediums that I've

549
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:51,039
been describing, and the phenomena was
every bit as impressive. So it's not

550
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,559
to do with school only. This
is not a rogue event. This is

551
00:49:54,800 --> 00:50:04,519
just a development of the quality of
their I've had spirit children jump into my

552
00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:09,800
lap and ask for a hug.
I've shook hands with adults, and I've

553
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:15,280
had the long conversations about the nature
of what it's like to be in the

554
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,360
spirit world and the restrictions that are
there, but they leave parties to come

555
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,639
and speak with me. And the
one occasion I said, come on,

556
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,079
it sounds like life's are party over
there, and they said, you want

557
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:32,480
to join us, And they brought
the sounds of a party into this room

558
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:37,320
that we were not at school,
but in the back in Glasgow, about

559
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:43,119
two three feet above our heads,
and you can hear the clink of glasses,

560
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,880
you could hear a conversation to your
laughter. It was just like being

561
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,880
in a party. And then it
stopped and the person said, we've just

562
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,440
left the party and we would like
to go back to it if you well,

563
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,000
some of these people I'm speaking about, we're famous in their lifetime.

564
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:06,239
But I'm not going to fall into
the trap of saying, you know,

565
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,719
I was in the previous life as
clear Patra or something. You know.

566
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:15,760
I don't want to get wrapped up
in that, but I was. I

567
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,840
was pleasantly surprised that some of the
spirit people that used to sing songs on

568
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,599
this life wanted to sing in the
next world as well, and they signed

569
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:31,519
for us and with us as sitters
in their sailings. These are very special

570
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:36,320
experiences. I went home and I'm
going to put my headphones on and listen

571
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:43,079
to these voices, and I'm ninety
nine percent certain that it's the same person

572
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,800
speaking and singing. And I'm in
a teacher of English studies, so I

573
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:53,360
always leave the one percent open for
the possibility of impersonatives that. Yeah,

574
00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:01,960
you know, so there's that.
On one level, it's wonderful taking hear

575
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:07,960
somebody talk about these kind of experiences, But what really matters is, so

576
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,440
what do you do with it?
How does it change? Does it transform

577
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:15,960
me? And the answer is,
I've never been the same since it happened.

578
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,880
That was over twenty years ago.
It's It's fueled my conviction that such

579
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,360
things can happen given the right conditions. And I'm still interested in the conditions,

580
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:35,880
but I've turned it down opportunities to
sit and seances because I feel I've

581
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,960
had the evidence. I don't need
more of it, and I've given up

582
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:45,639
places to people who have never experienced
that. So was it, sorry,

583
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,920
was that experience the one that really
cemented you? That side belief? But

584
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:55,760
so your knowledge of it? What
I said was, now I know that

585
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:01,360
such things happen that I've been told
about for years, I know now that

586
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:07,440
they can happen. Because they've happened
with me, and they've happened repeatedly in

587
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:14,519
school twice, in Glasgow half a
dozen times, sometimes in brightly like conditions

588
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:21,599
and so on. But what I
would say is, if you have a

589
00:53:21,639 --> 00:53:27,199
good heart and you well intentioned,
and you want to help people, and

590
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,559
you're not going to fall into some
sort of eagle trap, spirit will respond.

591
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:37,880
So I shall I tell you an
amazing story, not as amazing as

592
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:44,559
school. Maybe. A male voice
woke me up at three in the morning

593
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,360
and said, we want you to
leave your job and go to South Palam.

594
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:55,079
I didn't know who are what for
your South Palace, but I've been

595
00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:00,440
thinking the aby I would retire soon. So I went into my school and

596
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,159
spoke to the head teacher and said
I want to retire and I want to

597
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,159
know what my package would be.
And basically I was not accepted for a

598
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:13,639
package, and I was told that
they didn't want to lead because they wouldn't

599
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:19,440
be easy to replace mem A year
later, almost to the day, the

600
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:22,320
same male voice woke me up at
near phone in the morning and said,

601
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,920
well, you were going to give
up your job and go to South pala

602
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,199
And I said, well, I
was, but they didn't want to let

603
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,280
me go. He said, so
what are you going to do? I

604
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,000
said, this time, i'll go
in and if they don't give me a

605
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,960
package, I'll just resigning. And
you went, okay, I said,

606
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:46,000
before you go, why is because
then I googled it and it was a

607
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:51,639
city in Brazil and you said,
because there's things we want to keep you

608
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:57,800
and it's easier there than it is
in Scotland. Okay. So I went

609
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,360
in, hyped up a little resignation
and the head teacher said, oh,

610
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:05,519
I can't guarantee you and enhance package
which some people were getting. And I

611
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,079
just handed the letter of resignation over
and a few weeks later I jumped on

612
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:15,199
a plane to Brazil with the professor
of physics as my companion. He was

613
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,239
keep a skeptical but he said,
if you're willing to spend thousands to vote

614
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,880
to Brazil because of some spiritual adventure
and you think it's waiting for you,

615
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,519
I want to see it, and
I want to spend thousands of my pounds

616
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:34,400
because I believe that you're not lying
to So we get to south parallel and

617
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,519
we arrive at twelve rather than or
twelve at night and we don't see anything.

618
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:43,079
It's dark and it's flashing lights outside. So breakfast next morning. He

619
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:46,719
says, so where are we going? And I said that I don't know.

620
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,519
They said, and like who we're
going to meet? And know what's

621
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,199
the address? So I've got maps
here. I said that I don't have

622
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:59,000
any names. I don't have any
addresses. And he said, Nick,

623
00:55:59,079 --> 00:56:01,960
I think you've gone. He said, I've traveled halfway across the world and

624
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,519
you don't even have a name and
address. I said, no, this

625
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:09,519
is literally what are you going to
do after break? I said, go

626
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:15,199
a walk? I said, spirit
asked me to come here. I've come

627
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,679
here. They're not going to let
me down. And we went for a

628
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,519
walk and I walked in a sort
of meandering straight line for about forty minutes.

629
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:31,920
In the first building that caught my
eye that I stepped towards and pause

630
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,440
said, a spree on the wall, and I figured it made trainers or

631
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:42,719
sports where it was some kind of
logo for a business. So when I

632
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,920
walked through the door, there was
a bust of balance her deck, the

633
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:51,880
founder of modern Brazilian Spiritism in the
foyer, So I knew that there had

634
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,079
to be a spiritual connection. And
the women came up to me and said,

635
00:56:55,159 --> 00:57:00,800
can I help you in Portuguese?
And I managed to reply in poor

636
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,719
Portuguese in English, and she called
a man over who turned out to be

637
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:12,840
the president of the largest spiritual healing
church in Brazil, possibly in the planet.

638
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:20,639
They have five thousand patients a week, five hundred healers, and each

639
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:25,239
healer is only there because they've been
trained for five years. And the van

640
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,480
said, I intro. I was
introduced by his female column and he said,

641
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,559
well, Nick, he said,
this is I can't help but smile.

642
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:38,000
He said. Spirit told us two
weeks ago you've got someone coming from

643
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:45,840
Scotland. So he said, we
open up the whole place to how many

644
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,079
days that you've got? I said
for a fan and he said, you

645
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:53,320
can go anywhere and speak to anyone. Do what you like, he said,

646
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:59,079
and we will help you learn about
what we do here. So one

647
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:02,599
of the things that they down was
they seem to heal patients in a who

648
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:07,480
are seated with a healer behind and
a healer and either side, and they

649
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:12,800
would sometimes whisper to each other or
whisper to spirit a posite sure, and

650
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,800
the patient would be sitting there,
sometimes in their eyes clothes, and I

651
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:22,480
saw this happened several times. But
on one occasion, a man who was

652
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:28,880
observing the healing like me, reached
over and said, what do you see?

653
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:34,159
What do you think? And I
said that I see the same as

654
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,760
you. I see someone getting supposed
to be getting healing, I said,

655
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,599
in three gamers. He said,
and do you have any comment to me?

656
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,159
I said, yeah, the person
in the right shouldn't be doing it

657
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:49,320
because they're in a state of ill
health and the energy is not going through

658
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,159
them. He said, would you
like to take her place? We planted

659
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:58,360
her there to see if you would
pick up the difference. The woman stepped

660
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,679
back. I stepped in and I
feel help spirit come down me like a

661
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:07,480
cold electricity, and I was part
of the healing energy subculating around that one.

662
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:15,079
Wow. I have lots of stories
about Brazil, but I came away

663
00:59:15,199 --> 00:59:22,400
practicing a healing method that I still
used today. But it's it's difficult,

664
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:27,639
Gavid. If I publicly say I'm
a healer and I work with people with

665
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:34,000
any condition, there are people who
might sue me under the trace description that

666
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,360
we're using the word healing. I
have a twain friend who had testimonials from

667
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:45,519
patients that he couldn't put on his
website because one was a cancer patient.

668
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:52,840
He was told he was about to
die and he survived, and he wasn't

669
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,559
able to put me to take it
down from his website. And it wasn't

670
00:59:55,559 --> 01:00:00,159
even once it he written. It
was a testimonial from the and probably half

671
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,920
the patient. So I keep quiet
about the healing work that I do,

672
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:10,559
and indeed I keep quiet about my
mediumship and what I say is and it

673
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:15,599
works. And if spirit want me
to help somebody, they'll bring that person

674
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:21,719
to me. They'll put them in
front of me. The conversation will take

675
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:25,000
a time, and I'll know that
I'm meant to help, and that's how

676
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:30,079
I worked. I don't run a
healing clinic and say right, it's four

677
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,880
o'clock, I need to heal ten
times. I just it doesn't appeal to

678
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,880
me at all, and I don't
think it probably would work. Have you

679
01:00:38,199 --> 01:00:45,760
have you actually seen good results from
your healing? I mean I was so

680
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:49,679
I didn't really have anything wrong with
me, but I was actually told to

681
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:52,400
actually sit there and hear there's practice
on me. But I have to say

682
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:57,079
that after I read that healing on
me although there was nothing wrong with but

683
01:00:57,159 --> 01:01:01,280
I actually felt a lot later steed, believe it or not, or actually

684
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:09,920
felt a lot better healthier. It
was a funny failure, yes, but

685
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:15,440
I don't want this to become Nick
is telling us stories to validate the easy

686
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:21,000
healer. I don't know. It's
a bit egotistically even to say that.

687
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:29,519
Let me give you an example of
another healer where I was involved. A

688
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,440
healer friend of mine, medium who
doesn't like the term medium, he prepares

689
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:37,760
to say energy practition. He was
working with a young woman who had never

690
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:44,760
had this killing before. And as
as they both the dealer and the patient,

691
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:50,599
as they came to meet me for
a sort of social contact, even

692
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:58,199
though I didn't know the young malady. The the healer was driving and they're

693
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:01,159
driving up a well known road and
Glasgow's Bayered Road in the west End.

694
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:07,599
And as he drive me up,
the healer he was immediate saw a ghost.

695
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:13,280
And the ghost was an old lady
walking down the pavement towards the side

696
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,920
of the car, which she's still
a few yards today. And the reason

697
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,920
that he knew it was a ghost
because she looked solid to him, was

698
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,159
because she didn't have any feet were
her feet where the image stopped at the

699
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:29,400
ankles. And he turned to the
young woman and said, do you see

700
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,159
the old lady walking towards the car? And she said yes. He said,

701
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:37,119
this driver from head to toe,
So of course the woman. I'm

702
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,159
telling us very quickly that the woman
said. Now she's wearing a kind of

703
01:02:40,199 --> 01:02:45,199
scarf and her hair and her hairs
and ringlets and and she's got some kind

704
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:51,480
of overall uniform on top of her
address and she's wearing it. Oh my

705
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:57,840
god, where's a feat? And
that's how. So a young woman was

706
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,440
walking with three children up them or
sidewalk for you American, I guess,

707
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:07,599
and they were about to climb.
But the young women didn't see the old

708
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:12,559
lady in spirit and walked right through
her, and the spirit lady reform and

709
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:16,360
the young woman had walked on,
but the children could see her. They're

710
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:21,639
all turning looking at what's just happened, and getting pooled by their mother tugged

711
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,519
further along. Now that the young
woman was very excited when she met me

712
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:30,239
and said, oh my god,
I've just seen my first ghost and I've

713
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,079
just been my first feeling, she
said, And she turned to the heel

714
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,519
and she said, why did I
see that ghost? Was it because I

715
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:43,039
was sitting beside you? And the
healer smiled and said, because you've just

716
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:47,800
had the healing, your sensitivity,
you're awareness, your consciousness of expanded,

717
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:55,679
all your senses are allowing you to
see things that in normal every day consciousness,

718
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,360
when you're half asleep and busy,
you don't notice. And that,

719
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:05,559
to me was correct. And that's
what I would want to say to your

720
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:15,960
listeners. From my perspective, most
people are half asleep at the most people

721
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:23,039
are. They have survival busyness that
they fill their minds and their energies with

722
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:27,840
trivia. And I'm not a sportsperson, so I would put sport on the

723
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,280
trivia category as well. Just to
be controversial, Well, I think there's

724
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:36,559
such eternal purpose for the people above. You know, I'm very fond of

725
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:44,719
saying, when I see ten thousand
or long more a roaring and cheering I

726
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,599
would say, if I had that
enthusiasm for any charitable enterprise, there wouldn't

727
01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:54,280
be so many problems in the world. But they'll row and pay good money

728
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,840
to see a ball in the back
of a net, and you don't need

729
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,199
to mention the Ukraine and Gaza to
know where I would put them on.

730
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:10,320
So you were asking about evidence of
healing, there's evidence that's different from what

731
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:15,000
you probably expected because it's not the
removal of a condition. So yes,

732
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,719
people have had conditions improved as a
result of me working with them. But

733
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,679
I was asked to go and see
a man who was about to die.

734
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:27,760
Was in this last stop they stop
eating and drinking, so there were only

735
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:33,199
days to go, and his daughter's
asked if I could go and help,

736
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:41,320
and I said, well, if
you're expecting a miraculous cure which goes again,

737
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,039
perhaps his wishes and certainly the way
his body was that is heading and

738
01:05:46,599 --> 01:05:50,519
to change all of that, it
can happen, But I don't think it

739
01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:55,320
will. I think if I see
your father, we will pass more quickly

740
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,159
because spirit will be drawn close to
them, and they'd be saying, by

741
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:04,320
waiting for you, they're just they're
just a step away, and in a

742
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,960
day or two you will will be
with us, and we can facilitate and

743
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:15,119
maybe even speed up that process by
making it a smooth transition. And the

744
01:06:15,199 --> 01:06:19,679
girls, the daughters looked quite taken
aback that wasn't what they expected of the

745
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:28,960
healer really go was in their father
dies quickly. It's so notions of evidence

746
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,280
of healing are a wee bit more
complicated than being a miracle with her m

747
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,639
hmm. But yes, I've seen
things I can't explain that some people would

748
01:06:38,639 --> 01:06:45,480
call miracles, including in my own
family. Where to test the healer,

749
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:51,360
I took one of my family,
a female, and she lay down.

750
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:59,159
She didn't have anything very physically wrong
with her right, So I thought that

751
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,760
the healer might say, oh,
yes, there is a physical problem lady's

752
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:09,480
hands or whatever, and I would
know that he's deluded. Yeah, but

753
01:07:09,559 --> 01:07:13,360
she did have a mild headache and
she felt a bit nauseous. So that

754
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:17,719
was what I expected to pick up, not a bit of it. He

755
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,039
closed his eyes. He began to
mutter. I think it was in German,

756
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:25,360
but it was in a language I
didn't pick up. He put his

757
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:33,400
hand over the relative lying on this
bench and simply went like this, Ah,

758
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:40,920
I expected a physical difficulty, this
is an emotional one. Would you

759
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:46,599
like me to deal with this?
And I said yeah, and he went

760
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:55,199
and the girl woke up from a
kind of dreamlike stage. She didn't see

761
01:07:55,199 --> 01:08:00,800
any of this. Which you might
have heard the words. And she woke

762
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:06,719
up, sat up and began to
cry, cry, really solving. Now

763
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:13,960
I knew that the healer had identified
an emotional blockage and he just cleared it,

764
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:20,159
and that without full knowledge of that, my relative was crying her heart.

765
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:27,359
Later, when she calmed down,
she said, I was jilted.

766
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:32,439
I was supposed to get married somebody
and he let me down very badly.

767
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:38,560
And I've never told anyone. They've
been bottling up ever since. Well,

768
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:45,359
so again, that's evidence of something, something remarkable, and it's something that

769
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:50,840
people would pay good money for.
But it's not exactly the traditional ride here

770
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:57,680
taking a demon out and putting it
into swine, or a miracle happening in

771
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:03,680
front of you, which I think
it can and does happen, but traditional

772
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:09,039
expectations would we need to change a
little bit. I have to sell at

773
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:13,800
this point. I've been told on
several occasions for me, two or two

774
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,479
or three different mediums, that I'm
a heiler, but I've never put it

775
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:23,359
into practice. I don't know.
My hands are always very warm. I

776
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:29,800
don't know if it's a EFFECTA don't
that's a EFFECTA If you read the literature

777
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:34,840
you'll find that people in your position
are often told that they've got tingling hands,

778
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:41,199
they've got warm hands, but sometimes
cold hands when it's the conditions are

779
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:44,760
warm, and they are told,
well, this is a sign that's but

780
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,520
it want to work through your hands. They help people, and healing is

781
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:56,479
the obvious explanation. But I would
think the first of all, what you've

782
01:09:56,479 --> 01:10:04,079
told could easily be true my own
opinion as everybody's regular. Yeah, some

783
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:10,640
use once, some use presence,
some use rituals, spells, magic and

784
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:18,159
them so. But some people just
they're caring. Is like an energy vibrational

785
01:10:18,279 --> 01:10:25,520
way, and the person feels better
as a As a teacher, I often

786
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,079
I still train teachers, and I
said to them, you put so much

787
01:10:30,119 --> 01:10:35,920
work into the content of these lessons. Your pupils won't remember the content of

788
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:42,159
most of these lessons, but they'll
remember how you made them feel m for

789
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:47,279
years. Yeah, and that's what
I found to be true. I met

790
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:51,439
a woman a few months ago who
said, you taught me English in a

791
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:56,359
particular lesson, and I thought,
oh, no, I've probably said something

792
01:10:56,359 --> 01:11:00,039
controversial, you know. She said
no, no, she said you complimented

793
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:05,199
everyone in the class for the way
in which they'd done their homework individually.

794
01:11:05,279 --> 01:11:10,479
You went round and pointed out what
was good, and for the few pupils

795
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,800
that didn't do the homework, of
which I was one of them, complimented

796
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,960
them in the personality of the character
that would inspire them to try and do

797
01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:24,079
their homework mixing. Everyone looked at
that sort of dead contratract, don't they

798
01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:28,399
seven years in primary and three or
four years at that point and secondary,

799
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,800
a teacher have never complimented me without
having a big reason to do so.

800
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:39,760
And I felt very sad because I
had been deputy in that school for several

801
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:45,039
years when she was there. I
didn't realize teachers were so mean with their

802
01:11:45,079 --> 01:11:49,640
praise. Yeah, I remember my
school dies. It was terrible. OSes

803
01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:00,880
So can I can I give you
an example of medium which I think will

804
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:06,560
appeal to some of your listeners.
You're you're you festerated me. Actually,

805
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,680
I think you're a rising speaker.
I thank you very much for that.

806
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,159
But you've never you've never been a
pupil in my class. They would say,

807
01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:19,079
I have a hypnotic effect because they
all want to go to sleep.

808
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:24,800
No, I don't find it at
all. Okay, So, uh,

809
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:31,399
this is a story which involves a
friend of my wife's and my friend's name

810
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:39,479
I've got permission to use. Her
name is called Chila. So my wife

811
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,640
was sitting at home and she's mediumistic, she sees spirit. I tend to

812
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,039
just fuel the presences spirit when they
are senter that she's clear boying and a

813
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:53,520
woman materialized in a dining area,
and my wife looked across and said,

814
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,880
oh, hello, who are you
and why you here, which is how

815
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:02,279
we normally can respond. And this
little old lady said, my name is

816
01:13:02,319 --> 01:13:10,239
Elizabeth, and I'm here for Margaret. Okay. So I came in the

817
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:15,000
door from the I think the meditation
class. I run and my wife told

818
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:21,479
me, and we both were concerned
because my wife, sorry, my wife

819
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,920
has an aunt called Margaret, and
I have a mother called Margaret, and

820
01:13:27,119 --> 01:13:30,439
neither of them were being great.
But we didn't expect from that, so

821
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,800
we thought, why are we getting
the materialization which required a lot of energy

822
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:40,840
to do that. So if when
my mother and my wife and her aunt,

823
01:13:41,159 --> 01:13:44,479
they're fine, and we kept an
eye on them for a few days,

824
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,119
Cindy, and that's the first time
in my life that I had a

825
01:13:49,159 --> 01:13:55,880
spontaneous message from spirit, albeit it
to my wife that was wrong, and

826
01:13:55,960 --> 01:14:00,079
that was a big deal for me. And suddenly it's not right. How

827
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:03,079
did we get that wrong? It
wasn't a vague impression. It was a

828
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:09,640
spirit person speaking, you know.
And then we got a phone top that

829
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:17,319
my my wife's friend, Sheila,
had just been told her sister Maggs had

830
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:25,720
been given the terminal diagnosis and was
already in the hospice. And he thought

831
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:33,680
only her mother called her Margaret.
Wow, right, And when checked,

832
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:40,439
the description of the woman that my
wife saw matched the description that Sheila gain

833
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:49,920
of her mother. Yeah. So
we went to the funeral, which was

834
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:57,039
in Dublin. We didn't experience anything
of our paranormal nature there. It was

835
01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:03,960
very moving and my wife hadn't told
Sheila what I told you, but weeks

836
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:09,800
later she shared this Withiper, and
Sheila jumped in her car from the south

837
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,520
of England, came up to her
home and when I came in from another

838
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:17,680
meditation, Sheila was sitting there and
I said, Sheila, it's good to

839
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,000
see you. I didn't know when
we would see you. I'm really sorry

840
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:25,319
for your losses. Should know about
that, you know. And I said,

841
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:30,279
but why you here? And she
said well, your wife Sarah has

842
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,840
just told me about the experience she
had in which my mother and we have

843
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:41,319
material arms. And she was concerned
at that time about the news about Miggs,

844
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:45,640
which you didn't understand at the time. And I said, yeah.

845
01:15:46,359 --> 01:15:50,279
She said, well, maybe if
I'm here, my mother will come back,

846
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:58,760
maybe Mags will come through. And
she said, Sarah's not sure that

847
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,239
that will happen, but I know
you're a medium. I just don't know

848
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,199
if you think it will happen.
And I said, well, it ain't

849
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:13,119
like a telephone company, right,
but let's try. You've driven for ten

850
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:17,199
hours awhile, and let's try.
And almost immediately, a sense of an

851
01:16:17,399 --> 01:16:24,399
energy a person's built up. So
I had a telepathic conversation with this person.

852
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:29,439
But my wife, Sarah and her
friend Sheila are sitting and as far

853
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,000
as they could tell, there's no
one there, and they couldn't hear anyone

854
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:38,039
speaking to me, and they couldn't
hear me speaking either. So this is

855
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:42,000
how the conversation went, and this
is important for the point of the story.

856
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,760
I said, minds, is that
you yes? She said, I

857
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,359
said, and do you know that
your sister Sheila is here? She said,

858
01:16:53,039 --> 01:16:58,359
that's why I'm here. Said okay. So I turned to Sheila and

859
01:16:58,359 --> 01:17:01,640
I said, I might have Mags
here. What would you want to know?

860
01:17:03,079 --> 01:17:08,159
Is she happy? Where is she? And is she happy? That

861
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:16,199
was the two. I turned to
this invisible space and empty space and I

862
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:19,880
said, Mags, did you hear
the question? Yes? So what's your

863
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:25,840
answer? Where are you? Are
you in heaven? No? She said,

864
01:17:26,319 --> 01:17:29,199
And of course I panicked a little
bit because people think I'll be like

865
01:17:29,239 --> 01:17:33,039
you know, I haven't been pressure. She said, I'm in a place

866
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:40,760
which is not perfect maybe, but
very nice. But it's no, no,

867
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:45,760
it's not It's okay. I said, no, you're happy, and

868
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:51,079
Mags said, yes, very When
I arrived, I was met with a

869
01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:57,279
whole group of people that I knew
in my life, and family and friends

870
01:17:57,279 --> 01:18:00,399
and people had gone and die before
me, and they were all waiting and

871
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,840
it was laughter and giggles and hugs
and kisses, and I was great.

872
01:18:04,119 --> 01:18:09,000
She said, there was still nots
up come down from that feeling, because

873
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,960
they're all around you. So I
turned to Sheila and I told her this,

874
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:19,680
and Sheila, of course was moved. Her sister's not in heaven.

875
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:25,359
But she laughed because Mike said to
me, it's not perfect. We'd give

876
01:18:25,399 --> 01:18:29,359
me a week or two and I'll
see what I can do. And Sheila

877
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,439
burst out laughing when I told her
that, because she said my sister was

878
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:36,520
a troubleshooter for a national company.
She would go into a branch and either

879
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:41,760
turn it around in a week or
so or close it. So her saying

880
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,680
give me reap your job and see
what I can do. That's just a

881
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:51,119
joke about her job, which I
didn't know. And then she's Sheila surprised

882
01:18:51,119 --> 01:18:55,840
me by saying something that maybe to
you, David, would be an obvious

883
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:00,479
question. She said, Nick,
I don't think you would deliberate they tell

884
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:05,399
me a lie? But how do
I know it's really minds? And I

885
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:12,279
hadn't anticipated that happened to Mags,
And I said, did you hear that

886
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:18,159
question, Mags? And she went, yeah, So what's your answer proof

887
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:25,800
that it's really you? And this
is how mag spoke to me like a

888
01:19:26,039 --> 01:19:33,560
stupid child, she said. When
I passed over, I was met by

889
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,479
a group, a committee, if
you like, of people I hadn't known

890
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:45,439
in my life, and it was
very fun and happy times. And I

891
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,199
made them laugh, she said,
and they made me laugh, she said.

892
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:51,800
I said to them, I was
wearing bright red high heeled shoes,

893
01:19:53,159 --> 01:19:56,680
and I said, is it all
right to wear these? Here? And

894
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,640
a man stepped forward and said,
with an English accent, you can if

895
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,039
you want, love, but no
one's going to hear you coming. And

896
01:20:04,279 --> 01:20:10,479
there was a giggle and whatnot in
the spirit side doing this conversation. And

897
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:15,199
I looked at Sheila and I told
her what I've just told you. When

898
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:20,199
the tears started to run, she
said, I put bright red high heels

899
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:24,560
on my sister's feet when she was
in her coffin before it was screwed down,

900
01:20:25,239 --> 01:20:29,960
and I made the undertaker promise not
to tell anyone. Only Miggs would

901
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:34,439
know that, and me as her
sister, and Undertane did the she with

902
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:42,319
them last followed it there. So
since then, Max has come through on

903
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:46,000
two other occasions to talk about planting
a tree in her memory and having a

904
01:20:46,119 --> 01:20:54,520
little memorial service and not inviting certain
relatives because they had become a strange or

905
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:59,760
they were happy, and Max had
something to say about that. That was

906
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:09,359
some motive towards you. I could
fill the space with lots of stories about

907
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:14,119
surprising outcomes, but that's one that's
fairly recent, a few years ago.

908
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:20,880
It's local, and it involves my
wife as well as she was given me

909
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,880
permission to tell anybody because it's a
very warm story. So it's a very

910
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:31,239
nice story. Yeah, I'm not
sure what else you would like me to

911
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:39,439
talk about, but there's there's dozens
of cases putting some spectacular ones. I've

912
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:43,000
got a bit of a question about
ectoplism. Yeah, we've all seen these

913
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:46,800
old Nazi sensory photographs with vector pisms
or suppose of the ectopism. Do you

914
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,640
think a lot of those were toually
genuine or there were I mean, what

915
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:58,680
is I've never seen it. I
mean any generalization is false, any generalization

916
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:04,760
because it won't cover everybody, right, So if you say were they falls,

917
01:22:05,079 --> 01:22:08,479
I would say, yeah, there
were false. But I know when

918
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,479
I say that there were something that
were genuine, Right, If I say

919
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:15,920
yeah, they're genuine, I believe
I would be speaking about the minority of

920
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:24,039
pictures. So it's difficult when you
generalize to get the accuracy of what you're

921
01:22:24,039 --> 01:22:30,600
trying to say out there. But
there's no doubt both from the top professional

922
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:39,279
photographers and people like professors of visual
perceptions and the way cameras work. From

923
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:47,119
a technical point of view, that
these photographs are not convincing. And some

924
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:51,279
of the photographers agreed that there were
hopes. Is when it no longer mattered

925
01:22:51,319 --> 01:23:00,119
to them. But I have one
or two photographs that would stun almost any

926
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:09,640
audience, and I can tell you
about them, and I showed them at

927
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:14,520
the conference you were talking about,
the Awakens conference. In an Italian castle,

928
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:19,920
a ghoster's rumor to turn up on
a particular stairwell annually, maybe not

929
01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:27,640
precisely to the day, but so
for a few nights the castle was closed

930
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:32,279
and castle security was in place.
There was an inner ring of academic investigators

931
01:23:32,319 --> 01:23:38,119
and researchers, and they had an
infrared camera trained them the stairwell, and

932
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:47,720
after several evenings they got an image
an infrared quite blurred and needing the contrast

933
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:53,840
to be enhanced a little bit.
But one might be persuaded that it was

934
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:59,800
a soldier in armor from a previous
century that maybe sixteen cent to them.

935
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:04,960
You know, the bulbous breast chest
plate, the slightly enhanced hips where they'll

936
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:12,239
be covering maybe the shoulders and elbows
and some and and I say to people,

937
01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:15,720
this is the best ghost photograph in
the world. And I can tell

938
01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:23,199
some people be sitting there being saying
you've gone mad. This is a bloody

939
01:24:23,359 --> 01:24:28,239
I've seen better photographs on television of
the books, and you let them have

940
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:31,880
that reaction, and then you're saying, here's the reason when you show them

941
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:38,960
the next image of the same soldier
figure, but it's taken the heat thermal

942
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:44,760
imaging camera and the heat is coming
most of all from the upper left arm,

943
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,560
which is nearest to farm. These
two cameras are running simultaneously, side

944
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:54,560
by side, timestamp and supervised.
Nobody's claiming to have seen the ghost,

945
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,880
but the camera's picked up the visual
anomaly in and for red and the heat

946
01:25:00,039 --> 01:25:03,239
thermal imaging, which means it wasn't
a visual only and normally it had to

947
01:25:03,239 --> 01:25:10,600
be a physical presence emitting heat.
There is no known photograph the David that

948
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:15,239
I'm aware of where someone has done
that given an infrared image and a heat

949
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:23,560
thermal image in conditions of double security, with castle security and researchers. And

950
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,399
that's what I think makes it the
first that the best post photograph. But

951
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:38,439
you know you started this by talking
about ectoplasm. Ectoplasm can be identified from

952
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:43,159
a photograph, and the way it
works it is a digital photograph. Is

953
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:47,039
the way it works is a digital
camera, especially a really good one,

954
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:53,600
slices the light as it comes in, as it processes it, and each

955
01:25:53,720 --> 01:26:00,439
wavelength of reflected light tells you what
you're photographing. So if your photograph field

956
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,319
from twenty miles up in the satellite, you can tell there's the wood,

957
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:10,079
there's the plants, there's the metal. That you can tell even between crops

958
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:15,039
what the crops are from the the
wavelength of the reflected light. Okay,

959
01:26:15,359 --> 01:26:21,479
similar idea to colors, which are
just reflected. Now, the point is

960
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,840
that if you have a photograph of
the ghost and you ask the computer to

961
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:33,239
analyze what looks like hector plattern,
it will tell you and I know this,

962
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:36,439
this is the waterda based protein.
That's not the same as the background

963
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:43,720
that the person's standing in front of. And so you can tell if it's

964
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,880
a wattery based protein. It's much
more likely to vector plasm because what you're

965
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:53,359
doing is you're looking at a woman's
dress and behind her there's a painting in

966
01:26:53,399 --> 01:27:00,760
a wooden wall, and the reflected
light from the wood is different from the

967
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:05,319
the white stuff on the b mm
hmm. In years to come, maybe

968
01:27:05,359 --> 01:27:11,439
ten years, this will become commonplace, and all the ghost photographs that fill

969
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:15,760
books in my library and television channels, they'll all be analyzed and shown to

970
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:23,600
be either genuine or rubbish. And
I would politely suggest that ghost slight Bigfoot

971
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:30,079
seem to live in fuzzy land where
most of the images that we think might

972
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:33,239
be genuine will be shown to the
pulse just through the use of technology.

973
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:41,000
Well, yeah, I mean I've
almost try to understand exactly what expers was

974
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:47,399
actually supposed to be, you know, because there's you're I was going to

975
01:27:47,399 --> 01:27:53,600
say you, but I mean people
are just basically walking blobs of liquid.

976
01:27:54,279 --> 01:27:58,359
Oh yeah, sure, gives structure
and a muscle structure. But basically in

977
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:01,600
this frame, there's fluids running all
over the place, quite apart from your

978
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:11,479
blood. Okay, Now that fluid
can be expressed in different ways. Yeah,

979
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:16,000
You've got what comes out in the
mouth, what comes out the other

980
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:23,000
orifices front and back, You've got
sweat, You've got there's all sorts of

981
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:30,560
extrusions can happen, especially in times
of stress or distress. If there's been

982
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:39,000
an accident. Ector plasma is meant
to come from the mouth, the ears,

983
01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:46,039
the other orifices of the body,
and it comes out as a whitish

984
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:59,119
liquid and it looks like it has
the same the texture and touch of cheese

985
01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:02,840
claw, right, especially in dim
light, cheese quod that's what some of

986
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:11,960
the photos. As it comes out
in liquid form from orifices, it begins

987
01:29:12,079 --> 01:29:18,079
to get bigger and take shape and
form and substance. And that's probably where

988
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:27,560
the cheese cloud victims in and and
it's you can touch it, and it

989
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:31,039
can touch you, and it can
push and lift, so you can get

990
01:29:31,039 --> 01:29:39,199
electro not electro ectoplasm leavers under objects. You may or may not see the

991
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:44,600
ectoplasm, but that's the traditional spiritualist
explanation as to why it comes out.

992
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:50,000
Now it's a rather unpleasant subject,
but if you think of the orifice is

993
01:29:50,039 --> 01:29:55,000
and what comes out them at the
moment, it's kind of unpleasant to talk

994
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:59,279
about it in detail. But that
is the thinking behind it, and I'm

995
01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:06,439
pleased to it's no longer as important. I was with an ectoplasm and medium

996
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:15,600
just seven six seven months ago,
and he could do a lot of things

997
01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:21,800
by exuding ectoplasm. Of course,
the ectoplasm goes back into the body because

998
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:26,920
it's needed for the body, otherwise
wouldn't have been there. And if you

999
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,399
get a fright or something that's a
light on us, then the xto plasm

1000
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:36,960
shoots into the body because it doesn't
operate well in bright light, and it

1001
01:30:38,039 --> 01:30:42,560
can come into the body and it
can hemorrhage the medium. So a medium

1002
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,119
friend of mine, Albert Best,
told me that once when he got a

1003
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:49,960
fright, somebody opened the door and
light came in. It was like getting

1004
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:56,199
punched in the stomach and we hemorrhaged
for I think for a couple of days

1005
01:30:56,239 --> 01:31:00,000
and felt very ill for a week
or two. So people who are around

1006
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:12,600
electoplasm, ectoplasm and mediums that produce
that they don't really appreciate the dangers to

1007
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,560
the medium's health of messing. You
know, somebody might say wrong in the

1008
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:19,439
secret talks around the barges, so
suddenly shine and stuff, and they don't

1009
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:25,600
realize that it could be life.
So I would rather not get into that

1010
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:31,079
be personally in my life. I
would rather focus on vibration and frequency and

1011
01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:38,920
the idea that in fact even scientists
are beginning to say everything is vibration and

1012
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:45,439
treaquency. So if that can produce
energy that can manipulate our world, that's

1013
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,960
easier for me to except than the
other stuff. Yeah. I was just

1014
01:31:49,039 --> 01:31:51,640
always I was trying to get my
head around, well, why are they

1015
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:56,960
producing this stuff? What was it? What was it actually proving? You

1016
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,159
know, I thought of the fact
that I can exclude this stuff, but

1017
01:32:00,279 --> 01:32:03,680
what is it actually doing? I
think they called a fold shapes and things,

1018
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:10,520
didn't they photos? Yeah, I
mean lots of photographers tried to pretend

1019
01:32:11,079 --> 01:32:18,840
by using and mashi and so.
But I have seen ectoplasm produced in front

1020
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:27,720
of and and I would say,
I think it's better if we don't use

1021
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:34,479
that to look for other types of
fruit, such as I've been describing.

1022
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:39,640
Yeah, okay, well we'll leave
that alone. It's a little top.

1023
01:32:41,079 --> 01:32:45,760
I'll tell you tell you what they
you're talking Earlier you mentioned potagousts. I

1024
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:50,119
mean, have you been experienced have
you experienced some real protocoust activity and where?

1025
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:58,560
Yeah? Yeah, I'm very interested
in protogonusts because to me, they

1026
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:10,840
are not beings being macheries, but
they they are the energy coming from the

1027
01:33:11,039 --> 01:33:18,760
minds of interdimensional beings, and they're
only partially formed in terms of what we

1028
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:25,520
would think would be a well rounded
human personality. They have some intelligence and

1029
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:30,399
they can respond a bit like a
child, but a child that's very young

1030
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:33,199
or has had an injury, because
there's things that they just don't seem to

1031
01:33:33,359 --> 01:33:39,359
pay attention to the debt. So
it's think of the young child or the

1032
01:33:39,399 --> 01:33:45,720
injured person as as to having some
intelligence but little control, and you've got

1033
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:51,960
something close to how I see portygists
as opposed to your troublesome ghost, which

1034
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:59,159
I think is different. The term
party guist, for those of your listeners

1035
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:04,640
who don't know these, comes from
the German med means noisy ghost, diolter

1036
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:11,920
noisy troublesome is another way to put
it. And yet I've had lots of

1037
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:18,439
examples in cases I've been asked to
investigate of protogueist phenomena cutlery being used when

1038
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:23,359
there's no one there to use it, and things being moved around a bar

1039
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:28,840
or in a home, in a
kitchen. Sometimes cotton camera, although if

1040
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:33,159
you want to stop the phenomena,
trying a camera. When I was out

1041
01:34:33,159 --> 01:34:44,199
in Seattle on a case, the
there was an AUDIOBP recording being made to

1042
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:48,640
see if there were background voices that
we couldn't hear with our ears, but

1043
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:56,560
they were still registering recorder. And
there's two researchers were facing cameras looking at

1044
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:01,119
each other. So if one camera's
interfered with the other capture, they've heard

1045
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:10,840
subsequently an EEDP recording of two Irish
voices saying what they're doing? Oh god,

1046
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:15,479
that looks like a camera, Let's
get out of here. And of

1047
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:20,560
course the people setting up the cameras
didn't say these ones and didn't have but

1048
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:29,399
so they're they're troublesome ghosts rather than
holtiguists. I would suggest hotogeists do the

1049
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,640
tricks and make the noises, and
sometimes the noises can be quite frightening,

1050
01:35:33,319 --> 01:35:42,640
and the occasionally there's other related phenomena. But I have a book here called

1051
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:50,159
The Poltoguist over Scotland by a Jeff
Older. Now he's no expert, but

1052
01:35:50,279 --> 01:35:58,520
he's a journalist who's done his homework
and he's analyzed and statistically categorians hot guist

1053
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:05,039
phenomena and they there's an enormous number
of phenomena. Can I just give you

1054
01:36:05,319 --> 01:36:12,520
some of them? Because we think
the party guys is making loud noises okay.

1055
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,840
From this, you can move,
You can see opparitions, Items can

1056
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:23,479
be displaced from one place to another. Doors can be locked or unlocked,

1057
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:29,680
open or closed. They can be
damage. They can be throwing of stones,

1058
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,600
electrical effects. They can be assaults, voices fire, a sense of

1059
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,760
presence. It can be related to
magic or black arts that you can have

1060
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:44,560
a conversation with a party guys,
although they tend to be rare. It

1061
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,159
can interfere with your food. It
can change the temperature of the water.

1062
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:56,880
I'm only halfway down the list,
right, so there's there's thirty seven different

1063
01:36:58,359 --> 01:37:05,840
examples altogeist action. So it's the
actual picture is much more varied. In

1064
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:12,840
the reports that you get and in
the cases that I've investigated, you tend

1065
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:18,319
to get a cluster a collection all
phenomena, and some of which might seem

1066
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:24,359
to be poldoguist related. But there's
maybe an apparition or a ghost or a

1067
01:37:24,399 --> 01:37:31,600
spirit person as well, and a
very unhappy, traumatic individual who's fearful of

1068
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,520
all of its. Let me give
you just a couple of thoughts. I

1069
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:42,680
visited a family in which there was
a lot of protoguist and a paranormal phenomena

1070
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:47,159
happening. But the girl, who
was approximately fourteen and a half hadn't gone

1071
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:53,439
to school for two years, and
when she was asked why not, she

1072
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:58,640
said she was too frightened, too
scared to go to school, and lots

1073
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,920
of people were putting pressure on that
to go to school. So she was

1074
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:10,880
a very unhappy girl, and her
phenomena was the destructive. The poltageist would

1075
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:15,279
cut shoelaces so the shoes couldn't be
tied. They would cut her school clothing

1076
01:38:15,399 --> 01:38:20,720
so she couldn't wear it to go
to school. So my view of that

1077
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:28,960
case was not that the girl was
making it all up, but the girl's

1078
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:38,600
stress could put out an energy that
entities, maybe spirit people could come in

1079
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:43,840
on that energy and have a bit
of fun one by their way of it,

1080
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:48,359
obviously, the destructive side of it
wasn't playing with the family. So

1081
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:57,840
most people experienced phenomena after trauma.
Most but you get the odd case of

1082
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:01,399
a renovation that's gone wrong. You
know that the knocking down battles, and

1083
01:39:02,119 --> 01:39:05,760
you know, put change in the
configuration of the house and the ghost returns

1084
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:12,399
there and happy because they don't like
what's happening. Something you don't have to

1085
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:17,079
have trauma, but that's very often
the entry point. It's like an energetic

1086
01:39:17,359 --> 01:39:25,359
beacon, and there are I was
saying mischievous entities. I don't really know

1087
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:30,720
many cases where people have actually been
physically serious they happened. I was in

1088
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:38,119
Gravefires Church in Edinburgh and my companion, I had two friends, my wife

1089
01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:45,199
and I were were looking at a
particularly infamous grave and I was away and

1090
01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:50,199
she got scratched on the side of
her neck and then she didn't do it,

1091
01:39:50,359 --> 01:39:58,119
and the scratch was noticeable. But
when she got home she took off

1092
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:01,239
a jacket which she hadn't taken off
all day because it was cold. When

1093
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:08,520
they're on our blouse was a tiny
child's hand with a muddy imprint, which

1094
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:13,359
of course she didn't have moth outnights. And how did it get under the

1095
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:21,560
jacket, you know, when it
was so Again, it's not easy to

1096
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:29,720
analyze, but I think people's fear
of ghosts and polity guys is often debating

1097
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:38,399
the actual threat to them. That
mean an extreme example where there was because

1098
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:41,279
he's more in mind. When when
we die, all of us come to

1099
01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:45,399
that point, do we decide we're
going to come back as a portaguist or

1100
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:49,640
a mischievous spirit or just a normal
spirit, or you know, do we

1101
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,920
have a decision that we were going
to make that we're going to be mischieved

1102
01:40:53,920 --> 01:41:00,199
for some wonder think of it and
the way I see it as many many

1103
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:03,680
problems or issues questions to do with
the spirit world can be answered if you

1104
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,640
look at this world. Yeah,
So when you're asking, you know,

1105
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,800
what are the kind of the factors
that influence a spirit person to combat on

1106
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,600
them? I would say to you, so, what are the factors for

1107
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:24,560
someone making progress and their education and
their work and their personal life or not

1108
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:32,039
in this world? Right? And
you realize that issues to do with unhappy

1109
01:41:32,079 --> 01:41:39,520
people can be very complex and almost
unique to each individual, and everybody will

1110
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:44,560
have their own reasons for not doing
what they should have done for their own

1111
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:47,640
interests. When you get to the
other side in the spirit world, some

1112
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:53,279
don't want to seek the link,
Some don't want to be educated or improved

1113
01:41:53,319 --> 01:41:57,960
and progressed in their spiritual development.
Some want to stay because there's an attachment,

1114
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:02,560
attachment to place attachment person attachment to
unfinished business. And of course,

1115
01:42:03,079 --> 01:42:08,800
just like there were criminals in our
earthly world, there are some spirits who

1116
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:15,159
hang about for the worst reasons.
I had a case where a girl was

1117
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:21,800
lifted from her bed into the air
by her ankles and her sister was holding

1118
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:27,640
ahead and shoulders in the building,
and they screened for help. And you

1119
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:31,279
can imagine that it was a male
entity. What would have happened if the

1120
01:42:31,319 --> 01:42:39,680
sister hadn't been there? M hmm. So things like the entity and stories

1121
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:48,079
of assault and violent sexual assaults sometimes
they're very rare. They are out there

1122
01:42:48,319 --> 01:42:53,279
and you have to have an idea
about the deal with that too. That

1123
01:42:53,399 --> 01:42:59,439
particular case took three visits, and
that surprised me because normally takes one tune

1124
01:43:00,399 --> 01:43:03,319
those particular sectional assaults. He's not
on that subjects. But they're a lot

1125
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:12,359
of incubus or succubus, isn't it? Normally are the daemonic entities? Yeah?

1126
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:19,239
Well, I mean I'm in a
difficult position because I don't really believe

1127
01:43:19,319 --> 01:43:28,840
in demons and old Christian medieval ideas
about the nature of reality. I think

1128
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:32,000
we need to upgrade ourselves a wee
bit now that we've had two thousand years

1129
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:41,359
of science to say, can we
look afresh at these ideas and offer alternative

1130
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:45,239
views. So when somebody says to
me, I'm possessed by a demon.

1131
01:43:46,079 --> 01:43:49,680
I think they're under some kind of
influence. And it might not be a

1132
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:55,439
demon. It might not be Satan's
fallen angels, you know for commands.

1133
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:09,640
It might be interdimensional beings or just
deceased persons who who were pathologically, psychologically

1134
01:44:10,279 --> 01:44:15,760
emotionally bound to a place or a
person and they're just not willing to leave

1135
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:21,039
that. I remember a little old
man in an Airsha hotel. He was

1136
01:44:21,560 --> 01:44:26,039
he was basically moving things in the
kitchen at night, and this had been

1137
01:44:26,119 --> 01:44:31,319
heir band noticed by staff and so
so Professor Archie Roy was called in and

1138
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:36,840
basically the medium that they took along
said, there's a wee man with a

1139
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:43,720
brown leather apron sitting on that bench
there and he's swinging and speak And the

1140
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:47,720
medium said, are you responsible for
the mess here? And so? And

1141
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:54,439
you went maybe yeah, and you
know you should move on. You shouldn't

1142
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:57,159
be here, and you said,
I was here long before you are.

1143
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:02,760
I'm staying, but you do.
It wasn't ever moving, It was quitte

1144
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:11,359
happy. He said, sometimes I
help. Sometimes I can't bother helping or

1145
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:15,760
words to that event. So I
went in and I went into the same

1146
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,479
kitchen. This is years later,
the same man was there. I couldn't

1147
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:24,680
see him, but I could send
some and and I had a similar conversation

1148
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:32,520
and and people in the dining room
were heard to be eating and having a

1149
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:38,520
meal and clinking and cutlery. But
there were no diamonds. It was spirit

1150
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:45,560
people. There must have been the
people. So maybe the tells get used

1151
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:50,640
free of charge. Mm hmm.
To be serious for a moment. When

1152
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:56,640
I was over in Brazil, I
learned about spiritism and Alan Cadets books of

1153
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:00,439
five, five, six, seven
books that was written, and one of

1154
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:04,920
the things that he was asked to
write about was the idea of transition.

1155
01:46:05,600 --> 01:46:12,960
Why is it easy for some people
and others tran transit from this earthly world

1156
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:16,239
to the spirit world and the bord
why is stuck? And he basically said,

1157
01:46:16,399 --> 01:46:19,439
it comes down to the quality of
the life that you lead as to

1158
01:46:19,479 --> 01:46:24,079
whether you're ready for the transition.
And what was actually going to answer your

1159
01:46:24,119 --> 01:46:29,159
question like that, lady insie.
I mean, I wouldn't want to get

1160
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,279
a hard time from anybody for not
doing justice to these books I would recommend.

1161
01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:41,520
But the core concept is if you
lead an expanded conscious way of living,

1162
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,640
an awareness of spirit, a belief
in an afterlife, and so on.

1163
01:46:46,319 --> 01:46:51,439
You might find yourself in the other
world and not notice because your transition

1164
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:56,079
has been so quick and so sid
and then you look down and see your

1165
01:46:56,119 --> 01:47:00,079
body, maybe in a half basser
in a hospital bed, and that's when

1166
01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:08,119
you realize your transition. It's it's
it's just like this world in your initial

1167
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:12,600
impression, and then you realize that's
the past. You die. So that's

1168
01:47:12,720 --> 01:47:18,279
one end of a continuum. At
their opposite end, you get distressed spirits

1169
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:26,079
who have been watching the cops get
eaten and decomposing for maybe a century,

1170
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,479
and they're very unhappy. They're not
in their body, but they can't seem

1171
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:35,039
believe it, and it's addressing them. And it's because the kind of life

1172
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:41,760
they led, they didn't believe in
afterlife. They fought any religious kind of

1173
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:45,560
notion. They had a closed sort
of consciousness, and they had the selfishness,

1174
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:51,479
so they were not wanting to die
and pass on and fighting even concept

1175
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:58,079
the idea of it. And most
people are somewhere m hmm, and that

1176
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:00,479
must take I mean, so a
call of a hell. Really, if

1177
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:04,159
you're watching themselves. The material a
lot of that as a as a as

1178
01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:09,520
a living body. When you walk
into a graveyard for some ghost hunt and

1179
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:15,800
become a very unhappy spirit, and
you should anticipate that mm hmmm, because

1180
01:48:16,079 --> 01:48:24,520
not everybody that dies wants to or
is ready to in their makeup. So

1181
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:33,000
what I would say is lead the
best life that you can and believe that

1182
01:48:33,119 --> 01:48:40,520
life continues beyond the point of physically
because that's what my experiences have led me

1183
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:47,600
to, not just believe, but
to experience communication with people. Even my

1184
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:51,560
own grandmother while I was a child, came back after her death to tell

1185
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:57,119
me she knew what was happening in
my life after she died, So it

1186
01:48:57,159 --> 01:49:01,640
wasn't either memory she was sharing.
It was an ongoing, active knowledge and

1187
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:06,520
interest in her grandson. Because that
I've gotten well with him a term of

1188
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:17,319
grammar m in for ten times.
I don't think he will mind me mentioned

1189
01:49:17,399 --> 01:49:25,199
his name because he's published the article
a doctor Peter Mpu wrote about egotism in

1190
01:49:25,239 --> 01:49:31,079
the field of mediumship and paranormal researchers, and I haven't been in touch with

1191
01:49:31,159 --> 01:49:36,199
him yet, but I do agree
it's a problem. Albert Best, Glasgow

1192
01:49:36,359 --> 01:49:42,479
medium and dealer, who is a
great source of stories. I can tell

1193
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,600
you that I was there. But
he used to say to me, when

1194
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:53,319
Ego walks in, the spirit often
choose to walk in. And I would

1195
01:49:53,359 --> 01:49:58,640
say, when all said and done, there's a lot more said than done,

1196
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,760
and there are very few meanings I
can count them, maybe in one

1197
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:09,079
hand, who are as good as
they think they are or as they train.

1198
01:50:11,319 --> 01:50:16,239
Most people, because it's a normal
human thing. Most people promote themselves

1199
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:24,199
when the reality might not quite be
there yet, and I hate the thought

1200
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:31,720
of that happening in my life.
So I've investigated on behalf of the SSPR,

1201
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:36,800
which is a recognized Scottish charity,
and I've never ever taken money for

1202
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:42,079
it, and I've never sought publicity
for it. Indeed, it's only in

1203
01:50:42,119 --> 01:50:45,279
the last decade or so that I've
been spoken about cases. But I know

1204
01:50:45,399 --> 01:50:50,359
there are hundreds of people in Scotland, and sometimes for their appealing, that

1205
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:58,840
have benefited because there are plenty of
others like who operate from an expanded consciousness

1206
01:50:58,840 --> 01:51:02,039
of what's important, and they operate
from the heart because that provides the real

1207
01:51:02,199 --> 01:51:06,760
energy of the change. Know that
as well, when Spirit look at you,

1208
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:11,159
they don't see you wearing a gray
top, and you know, they

1209
01:51:11,279 --> 01:51:18,279
see the energy that you put out
and that's how they recognize. And yeah,

1210
01:51:19,319 --> 01:51:24,720
I mean people have said to me, budd, you write a book,

1211
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:27,319
and I've said, well, when
I get to a Dave and I'm

1212
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:30,560
so bored, I can't think of
anything better to do, maybe I will.

1213
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:33,840
That's just what I was going to
ask you. But there's lots of

1214
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:41,039
people out there who promote themselves and
I try not to judge, but I

1215
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:46,560
do sometimes wecially should shop. Yeah, I'll give you a wee quick anecdote

1216
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,279
from a Glasgow spiritualius chatch. So
there used to be a lady ran a

1217
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:55,800
small Glasgow spiritualius chutch in the central
Glasgow. Her name is Jean Primrose.

1218
01:51:56,720 --> 01:52:00,800
And I've been told this story.
I wasn't present, and it was a

1219
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:05,279
night for fledgling or novice mediums,
and you know, relatively young and inexperienced

1220
01:52:05,279 --> 01:52:10,760
people are trying to give messages.
And this young man was standing up there

1221
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:14,600
and he was saying plenty, and
he was giving out all sorts of information

1222
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:18,520
and I don't think any of it
was really being picked up. And Jean

1223
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:23,119
prim Was came up and stood beside
him and put her hand on the shoulder,

1224
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,199
and he thought she was up to
give him some of her energies so

1225
01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:30,159
that he could be better. And
she said loud enough of the audience to

1226
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:34,920
hear. But it was basically allowed, whisper, sit down some because there's

1227
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:43,239
a Navy way meaning for the benefit
of the American listeners, sit down,

1228
01:52:43,359 --> 01:52:49,199
young man, because there was no
one in spirit by now that punctured his

1229
01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:56,319
self inflated ego. But it probably
did him a favor as well. Because

1230
01:52:56,479 --> 01:53:02,039
there are lots of people out there
add their messages and try and get them

1231
01:53:02,079 --> 01:53:08,079
to fit. I once said to
a speaker who invited questions. She said

1232
01:53:08,079 --> 01:53:11,560
she was a medium of twenty years
experience. I said, why don't you

1233
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:16,479
blindfold yourself? Why is it important
that you see who the message is for?

1234
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:23,319
Why don't you put headphones on playing
music or white noise or something so

1235
01:53:23,359 --> 01:53:30,640
that you can't pick up from their
accent, their gender, their education,

1236
01:53:30,359 --> 01:53:39,680
their geographical location, and maybe attitudes
or cultural aspects. And if you can't

1237
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:43,279
see them, you can't hear them. But you've got a proxy person speaking

1238
01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:47,039
in behalf of the recipient message.
You will not be accused by skeptics of

1239
01:53:47,159 --> 01:53:54,720
cold reading and she said, no
one's ever said that to me before.

1240
01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:59,279
And I said, well, in
twenty years of being a medium, I'm

1241
01:53:59,279 --> 01:54:05,279
surprised you've never had people say that. Most skeptics say mediums may have some

1242
01:54:05,399 --> 01:54:13,279
kind of intuitive sided functioning, but
they're called and they can show you example,

1243
01:54:13,279 --> 01:54:16,760
those transcripts where you seem to be
giving you a message but actually building

1244
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:23,680
the message from the responses that you
get. But I don't want to the

1245
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:29,039
accused of sliding off mediums because the
last time I did that upset of genuine

1246
01:54:29,079 --> 01:54:34,960
meed who wouldn't take time with these
things. Can I tell you a couple

1247
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:42,720
of things quickly about Albert Bets or
Time Man. He used to do world

1248
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:47,319
tours before the mediums were even famous. He was out in Australia one occasion.

1249
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:54,880
I'm only going to concentrate those stories
where I was there or I have

1250
01:54:55,000 --> 01:55:00,720
reason to be. So. The
first story is we're talking about healing,

1251
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:04,880
and I said miracles can't take place. He is an example of something I

1252
01:55:05,079 --> 01:55:10,640
regard as America young man wheeled down
in a heel chair with his boy his

1253
01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:15,720
mother. He had hydrocephalis water in
the brain, but he'd just been diagnosed

1254
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:21,720
with a large brain tumor, and
he was expected to be in opera,

1255
01:55:23,159 --> 01:55:27,560
so he was basically going to die
quick than he would have wanted. So

1256
01:55:27,720 --> 01:55:31,520
the mother brought him up from England, brought him to Albert his little tenement

1257
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:40,159
plat Harleny space to move and Albert
said, okay, close his acts spoke

1258
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:45,520
in Germany, stood up with his
eyes closed, put his hand out in

1259
01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:49,359
front of the young man's forehead and
touched it very lightly, and I saw

1260
01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:56,000
a dark globular mask come away,
with his fingers get shaped, shading into

1261
01:55:56,039 --> 01:56:00,000
bowl of water and taken away by
his assistant, and he still did eye

1262
01:56:00,119 --> 01:56:02,840
shut. He sat down and after
maybe a minute or two, which seemed

1263
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,560
a long time when you're waiting for
someone to holding their backs, he opedous

1264
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:15,279
eyes and looked and said what happened? Okay, Now you could say yeah,

1265
01:56:15,319 --> 01:56:19,399
but that's just to give the people
impressions in a deep trance. I

1266
01:56:19,479 --> 01:56:25,319
kept in touch with him mother because
I wanted to know what the young man's

1267
01:56:25,359 --> 01:56:30,439
in college just would have to say. And I contacted her roughly three weeks

1268
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:34,039
later and she said, oh,
he's seen his in college, just in

1269
01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:40,279
Britton apology, And I said an
apology. Oh yeah, they reckon.

1270
01:56:40,359 --> 01:56:44,079
They must have mixed up his x
RaSE with some other patient, because they've

1271
01:56:44,119 --> 01:56:46,680
just done it again. And my
son doesn't have with being tumor and there's

1272
01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:55,520
no evidence ever. B Well,
that's fantastic, And it happened in front

1273
01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:59,039
story, which didn't happen in one
of me. But I've got reason to

1274
01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:02,239
believe it's true. Albert was known
as a healer before he was known as

1275
01:57:02,279 --> 01:57:06,680
the medium, and that was the
stronger aspect of his person, and he

1276
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:11,119
was asked to go to a hospital
to see the timing child, an infant.

1277
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:15,960
So Albert's person, the story is
that goes in, lifts the child

1278
01:57:15,079 --> 01:57:19,760
up, and he's caught and his
guide, an Arab guide, said to

1279
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:25,239
you, they're too late for this
one, Albert, the call has already

1280
01:57:25,319 --> 01:57:30,680
gone out. Think about what that
means. So Albert put the child back

1281
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:35,079
in the court, looked at the
faces of the family the pull of expectancy,

1282
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,399
and knew that he was going to
have to disappoint them, and he

1283
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:44,920
was overcome with emotion so didn't really
see anything and walked out to have a

1284
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:50,960
cigarette and grins. You were still
allowed to do that, And suddenly there

1285
01:57:51,000 --> 01:57:56,359
was a shout where's mister Best?
But is he? And Albert was brought

1286
01:57:56,359 --> 01:58:00,000
in and ran along the corridor and
came into the room, scooped the child

1287
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:04,279
up, and the child took one
breath and die. And Albert turned to

1288
01:58:04,319 --> 01:58:10,079
the family and said, how did
you know when this was going to happen?

1289
01:58:10,119 --> 01:58:13,159
How did you know to call me? They said, we didn't.

1290
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:17,880
What happened, though, was the
child's baby base comed into that of a

1291
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:24,039
brown based wise and the old man
who spoke in a gruff voice and said,

1292
01:58:24,479 --> 01:58:30,760
tell mister Best to come now and
quickly. So when Albert told me

1293
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,960
a story, I thought, okay, you're an Irish man. You're full

1294
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:39,439
of the the banter, the bla. You maybe added one or two little

1295
01:58:39,479 --> 01:58:45,239
bits, but I still basically believe
that something special happened with the right He

1296
01:58:45,439 --> 01:58:49,840
just weren't able to save the chad. When Albert was poorly and I was

1297
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:55,479
visiting him in the hospital years later, there was a young man standing,

1298
01:58:55,680 --> 01:59:00,239
not in spirit, but a visitor, and Albert said, Nick, you

1299
01:59:00,279 --> 01:59:04,840
should have a word with this guy
when you're leaving. And I said why,

1300
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:09,199
Albert, And you said, because
I know how skeptical you are.

1301
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:13,239
And he'll be able to tell you
about a story that I've told you that

1302
01:59:13,319 --> 01:59:17,159
I think you didn't. You struggled
to believe. And so I stepped outside

1303
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:19,680
at the end of the visiting times
and said, to the young man is

1304
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:25,960
Albert talking about? He said,
did he tell you about a child whose

1305
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:30,520
face changed to that of an old
man and then their child died? And

1306
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:33,039
I went, yeah, yeah,
And Albert told me that story. He

1307
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,920
said, well, I know it
to be true because he was my brother

1308
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:45,359
and I was standing in the watching
h These are fantastic m and and al

1309
01:59:45,439 --> 01:59:48,279
But of course it's had the Odd
book and an article in the Bell and

1310
01:59:48,399 --> 01:59:53,640
so there are dozens hundreds of stories
out there. And I don't want to

1311
01:59:54,079 --> 01:59:59,359
focus too much. And Albert just
now, but there's another program there for

1312
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:06,199
people were interested in feeling and mediumship. I saw him say to four people

1313
02:00:06,279 --> 02:00:11,359
you're here because someone drowning, and
they all know him. He said,

1314
02:00:11,399 --> 02:00:15,720
yeah, well I'm here to tell
you they didn't. The girls went,

1315
02:00:15,880 --> 02:00:20,279
oh, no, he drowned.
But Benny, he went humbled. He

1316
02:00:20,359 --> 02:00:23,680
said, And if you wait behind
after meet and I'll tell you they wondered

1317
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:30,000
them. It's afinitely fascinating. So
I hung about, saw Albert talking to

1318
02:00:30,079 --> 02:00:33,279
him, and then I think I
drove Albert home that night and I said

1319
02:00:33,319 --> 02:00:36,119
to him head of the conversation though, he said, I gave him the

1320
02:00:36,159 --> 02:00:45,520
person's name and they said he was
his walking companion that day, so really

1321
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,680
really strange stuff. Albert once said
to me, I don't like giving messages

1322
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:54,800
like that because of Glasgow gangsters knew
that I could name them so easily.

1323
02:00:55,359 --> 02:01:02,640
And Albert gave me messages from my
I had two children that died almost as

1324
02:01:02,640 --> 02:01:06,479
they were being born, and years
later he said, we've gone up and

1325
02:01:06,439 --> 02:01:10,920
the spirit one. I really excited
because the first time to be able to

1326
02:01:10,960 --> 02:01:14,720
talk about daddy. But if you
don't mind, I'm not focus on that

1327
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:20,840
story too much because it might be
upsetting for people in my family. Mm

1328
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:29,520
hmm. Yeah. I've got lots
of examples I can give you of paranormal

1329
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:36,840
events that I believe have happened,
or evidence that have happened, as opposed

1330
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:42,279
to things that somebody's just made up. I think maybe would you like to

1331
02:01:42,319 --> 02:01:45,960
come back on another occasion and we'll
go into it again. Maybe, Yeah,

1332
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:49,159
maybe the other aspects as well,
you know, Yeah, we've got

1333
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:54,640
it's been always been fantastic talking to
you. I mean, let's talking distance

1334
02:01:54,680 --> 02:01:58,319
you will know actually, but it's
gone so quickly, it's more arising now.

1335
02:01:58,439 --> 02:02:00,840
It's been fantastic. Even you own
anick and would you please come back

1336
02:02:00,880 --> 02:02:05,600
on again at some point. Yeah, yeah, everything from the looking at

1337
02:02:05,640 --> 02:02:10,079
it from your listener's point of view
that you might want to hear about.

1338
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:14,359
Other things that I can I can
talk about that are also partly normal.

1339
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:16,039
Yeah, I hope we can do
it again at some point. Thank you

1340
02:02:16,119 --> 02:02:19,199
so much for coming on, and
hope twenty twenty four is good to you.

1341
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:24,520
Well, same to you, David. It's easy to talk and you've

1342
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:26,520
got a good listen. I say, I can listen to you all.

1343
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:28,640
No, it's been brilliant. Or
say good art to you. No,

1344
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:30,720
I'll let you go, let you
go to a drink. Thank you so

1345
02:02:30,800 --> 02:02:33,279
much for coming on. Good luck
to you, Thank you say next time,

1346
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,279
cheers, Thank you, Bobbo,
Thank you so much. Nick.

1347
02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:42,279
That was absolutely fantastic, and yes
we shall do this again. As I'm

1348
02:02:42,319 --> 02:02:45,359
often saying, I know there's an
awful lot more. You didn't get a

1349
02:02:45,479 --> 02:02:48,199
charge to cover, but the Moor
show amazing. Thank you so much,

1350
02:02:49,039 --> 02:02:51,880
okay. The next show it is
in number one in January and that's on

1351
02:02:51,960 --> 02:02:58,600
January twenty second, and it's a
young lady named Nicki Scolden. She is

1352
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:03,119
one of the organizers of the Unexplained, which last year was absolutely fantastic and

1353
02:03:03,159 --> 02:03:06,920
I'm so looking forward to this year
is one in September. So that's Nicky

1354
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:12,520
scoldon January twenty second, and that's
some Monday of course. Anyway, as

1355
02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:15,239
always, if you'd like to get
in touch with me, my email address

1356
02:03:15,359 --> 02:03:18,520
is David Young two q in at
your who dot co dot uk. That's

1357
02:03:18,600 --> 02:03:24,239
David Young two q in at your
who dot co dot uk. So until

1358
02:03:24,279 --> 02:03:28,600
the next time, let's January the
twenty second with Nicki Scolon. That's a

1359
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:31,399
Monday. I'll speak to you then. Take care everyone, bo boy,

1360
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:36,119
thank you for listening. Ladies and
gentlemen. I can not too strongly stressed

1361
02:03:36,159 --> 02:03:42,520
the necessity for conness. Do not
allow yourselves to be emotionally disturbed by those

1362
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:47,760
messages. Paranormal dimensions is as bright
and powerful as our celestial stars up and

1363
02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:53,119
although it's expending thousands of pounds of
energy every minute of the day, have

1364
02:03:53,239 --> 02:04:58,079
no fear. There's plenty Left.
Paranormal Dimensions is fortnightly on Mondays on the

1365
02:04:58,119 --> 02:05:00,199
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