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We're ruly halfway through January, so we're willing into twenty twenty four and
this is the second show already now on this extra show, and it's a
special show. We're going to be talking about life after death with an amazing
special guests I'd just like to read this where it offered to my choice.
I should have no objection to a repetition of the same life from its beginning,
only asking the advantage authors have in the second edition to correct some faults
of the first. So would I if I might, besides correcting the faults,
change some sinister accidents and events of it for others more favorable. That
was written by Benjamin Franklin. Of course, if Benjamin Franklin was planning on
coming back and there's a few things he would like to correct throughout his life.
First of all, he's got to have a life after death, so
he must have believed in that. Now, my guest today is someone who
believes he can prove that there is life after death and he's seen enough evidence
of it. And that special guest is mister Nick Kyle, who's quite well
known in the UK. Here Now, if you haven't heard of Nick Cole,
I would suggest you seek him out in anywhere you can find him a
YouTube, etc. Because some of his research over the years has been amazing.
I was very fortunate to see him do a presentation in the Manchester recently
or just last year, and he knocked me out from that, I actually
invited him on the show and I'm so pleased he's agreed to come on so
without further ado, and I'm so looking forward to this, like to bring
on mister Nick Kyle. Hello, Nick, welcome to this special show.
Oh David, it's nice to be here. It's it's I've been it's fantastic.
Or after your amazing presentation Awake in the middle of last year, I
really could wait to get you on the show because I think for our audience
out there, if anyone wants evidence of life after death, I think you're
one of the people that's going to give it. So yep, that's been
my life of experience. I'm now in the possession of doing have a belief
in the Afterlafe. I can see handing heart. I've experienced the extensive communication
with people in the spirit world or the afternoon. I mean, as I
say, you gave a presentation here in the UK, we had an experiment,
five year experiment. I wasn't involved in it, but I think it
was nineteen ninety three. I think it began. It was a five year
experiment called a skull experiment. Now that was basically what your talk was about.
And was that something that actually convinced you that there was something going on.
You've got your own experiences are now, but I've had a lot of
investigations of the sensible part of normal pieces over twenty thirty years, and it
was partly as a result of that that I got an invitation to attend one
of the school settings. For those of you who are listening, we aren't
familiar with the term, it's s c O l E. Not a Scottish
version of school. Yeah, oh Skull. It's a little village near this
in Norfolk in England. And I was invited there. And I had been
to several sealances where I had seen and experienced phenomena, but what happened there
was on another level. I remember one of the things that the organizer,
Robin Foy, was giving up a briefing before we went in for the sales,
and I said to him, will it will it all be in the
dark? Are you're going to use colored light or dim light or whatever?
And you laughed and you said, there'll be no electric lights switched on,
but there'll be plenty of spirit lights to light up the room, and not
any problem seeing who was sitting there and that's exactly what happened. Is it
important for being the dark when we were most of these services and things,
I mean, what the other ones are being, So everyone has to be
in the dog basically? Is that important? Do you think? I think
it used to be important, But there are more and more people abandoning traditional
methods that might involve vectoplasm for a lighter, more refined type of energy that
still allows physical phenomena, but it's not so demanding in the medium's body.
So I've been asked about this just recently, and I said, it's kind
of like horses for courses. Some people produce ectoplasm and that has an impact
on their surroundings. Others link with their spirit guides and they have access to
higher vibrational frequencies and energies that may occasionally produce something like tectoplasm, but usually
the accomplish everything that traditional medium used to be able to do, and a
lot more. I think things are moving on. So I have had physical
phenomena in bright light, but when I speak to spirit communicators, they say
to me, we can work in conditions of bright light, but we need
more energy to do that, and the effect is a little uncomfortable, a
bit like being burned, as if you were in the sunshine. But we
can, we can do it, and intactly they do it sometimes just for
fun. I was in a Glasgow restaurant just a few years ago and several
tables began to rise into the air because I had jokingly challenged the spirit world
to do something and they were up for some fun and the thing helped me.
So it wasn't just a large bench table I was sitting up with a
couple of medium friends. Actually involved one or two other tables that went to
do with our company. And I exited quickly because I didn't think it was
fear on the restaurant to lose their customers like that. Yeah, that would
have been quite shocking over those you know. Yeah, we've experienced when we
would have done tyble tap and and felt the table, you know, it
felt like it was a spring underneath it sort of thing because everyone was taking
a hand off the table. So we I've never experienced sort of lot of
tables movie lot you've just described. Yeah, and no one, no one
was touching that we were setting there. Well, I'll tell you that the
story because it can be told quickly I had been in a shop just prior
to meeting to medium friends, and we have a very active sense of guma
between us. So I saw a coaster, you know, for putting glasses
on, and it said, let's carpay the hell out of this game,
you know, making fun of that happy DM sort of phrase. You know.
It seized the day. So I bought it and when I arrived and
we sat down at the table, I slapped the coaster in front of one
of the mediums with a physical medium and said, what do you think of
that? Are we going to carpet the hell out of this DM? And
that's when the table rose about eighteen inches into the air and I put my
hands up to force it down something because I didn't think it was the right
environment to be doing this to my stuff, and I couldn't shift it.
I couldn't budget and that surprised me because it was as if I was the
one that was as light as a better. I had no impact on the
table. But were you actually the cause of it? You seek my physical
medium friend, does this or does it look right? I had I don't
want to to mention names about people's permission, but I had a well known
paranormal investigator come up to Scotland and we agreed that we would go to this
particular restaurant with the same same medium and if the tables didn't move, I
would pay his bill. So, needless to say, the tables did move.
And he said in thirty five years of looking for this kind of demonstration
of physical phenomena, he'd never seen it done so easily and convincing. Film
director, film producer friend of mine said, Nick, you a great storyteller.
And I said, you won't put your money where your mouth is.
He came to the same restaurant at the same dum and the tables are sliding
around. So you know, it's for us it's a bit of fun,
but for people that I've never experienced it, it's disconcerting because it means that
the world that they take for devantage is not the only world mm hmm.
And all of a sudden, it's it's thrust upon them that there is something
beyond it, like you say, it's and it's direct evidence, isn't it.
You know? I mean when people go on these ghostthouts and things like
that, and that's the card of I think that's the cord of phenomena I
always expect to say, but they're always disappointed. But I don't see it,
you know. I mean, I've done the overnight vigils and the investigations
of hunted houses and so, and usually it's unproductive, if if not boring.
You know, you start out full of expectation and you believe tired and
a little disillusion m h. And the phenomena that people do experience is sometimes
not supported by other people, you know, it happens to somebody when they're
in a vacation on their own. The Scottish Society Presideon could go research when
it ran vidgels. When I was leading it for a decade or so,
we always teamed up in at least two a pair of investigators constantly in each
other's company to verify or not what one of the light experience. And that
worked really well because it meant there was there was a witness there for anything
that happened. There's not a lot of point, I think going into places
when you don't have people to back up your claims. Mhm. So do
you actually do any investigations now? What would you call them? In the
past, I've scaled back investigations for several reasons. I think, Well,
the honest truth is that when I walk through the door, the phenomena stops.
It's very unusual for the phenomena to continue in front of me. When
I'm in a stranger's home, normally just employes in itself and it stops.
And then when I leave, it usually stays away. But if it does
come back, it's a less strong demonstration as it will. I don't know
why that is. I don't credit myself with any particular power over the phenomena,
but I do go in with an attitude, and I'm happy to share
it with your listeners. You go in and you're respectful, just as you
are with any stranger that mean, and you are positive, and you try
to see things from their point of view, and I'm talking about see see
it from the spirit person's point of view. And then you explain to them
that rather than being stuck in a location and causing distress perhaps to women and
children, they would they would be much better to focus on themselves and spiritual
development, because it doesn't stop at the point of physical debt, and that,
in fact, if they wish they could, the euphemism would be seek
the light. But it's that core idea. And I can say, do
you want me to get some people in the spirit world to come and help
me do that? Because maybe you're flight and they're scared, but you can't
see and experience the light, and you've never had the welcome because of the
circumstances of what's tied you to the earth, the circumstances of your untimely death.
And I would say eighteen nineteen out of twenty cases, I think the
person goes away. You know. I was in a haunted house where the
doctor was a previous resident, and I said to you, a man of
your calibursa, with your high moral standing and caring concern for others, should
not be frightening women and children. And it was quite startled, and I
said, why don't you live up to the values you had when you were
in the earth, But take them into the spirit world. They're unsure.
Your services and skills will still be needed, even although it will not be
physical bodies. You'll be looking them. And he walked out the first floor
window, just as if it was a doorway, and never came back.
And I checked six years later and he still had never returned. Well,
so how do you go about explaining that that. I would suggest that not
everybody in the spirit world is fully aware of what they're doing and the effect
it has and people around them. Some are, some are mischievous and have
the portaguis of course, but I think if you explain to them respectfully and
ask them to move on and give them the reasons. I mean, I
had to explain to one person that you know, the building has changed owners
several times, this is no longer your bace of work, and you're home,
and and it was as if they hadn't fully realized. So I think
of spirits experience of this world, there's been dreamline mm hmmm, because if
we had a dream about the spirit world, there would be things in it
that we would feel surprised at or unable to control, just because of the
quality of dream unless you're one of these really skillful lucid dreamers or astro problems.
Mm hmm. Oh. Do you do you feel that spirits that we
do we interact with all these ghost unts or whatever or the ones that you
come across, do you think that these are the ones that are kind of
earthbound? But yeah, but other spirits can go way beyond that, and
they're not interested in coming back to talk to us. Would you believe that
the Yeah, basically, I mean I think, look how your your window,
David, and choose one hundred people. The majority of them will be
like yourself, wanting to be happy and successful and wanting to be kind,
you know. And in the spirit world it's not really any different people's moral
character, and so it doesn't change instantly because they don't have a physical body.
So most of the work that I do with the spirit world, I'm
dealing with reasonable people who are prepared to listen and talk back, of course,
and most of them are quite willing to move on simply because you ask
them, or because you explain the reason why. And just as it would
be if someone come into your house and said, this isn't your house anymore,
eyewn it? But why you he hear and you're respectful and you listen
and you talk back, and you persuade them that actually the need to move
on. It's the ones that don't move on and I'm interested in listening to
you those are the challenging cases because they need me be a second bit of
pub So I only now work with people who are in distress or with his
children involved. I used to be a school teacher, so a children I've
still got a soft spot for helping distress children. But generally Spirit work with
me spontaneously, so I can't just say, oh, he's rounded the house,
right. I want Spirit to step in and do the work. It
doesn't always work like that. I'll get approached spontaneously and I'll be asked to
help spontaneously, and Spirit will do things that I don't always expect, and
there's an lack of predictability. It's not I compare it to basketball. I
was told that the greatest basketball player in the world only got about seventy eight
to eighty percent of his baskets that he aimed at, but he was still
that's a pretty high school Michael Jordan I think was his name, and whatever
the figure was, everybody thought it was the best in the history of the
game. But he didn't get one hundred percent. Right, medium Ship and
sworking this, but it's a bit light that you won't get one hundred percent.
And we were speaking before this program started about a medium and that you
were saying or sorry. A person that was speaking to me was saying she
was very very good. But that still probably means that she'll get thirty forty
percent of the messages off are getting, not quite and she'll still be probably
amongst the best out there. We mustn't think of mediums like a telephone service
which is ninety one percent functional, nots. It's open to a lot more
influences. Yeah, there were a lot that the something more much more sensily
after others as well. You know, something very late in life. Not
everybody that says they want help actually wants it or is ready to receive it.
People can be confused and mixed up. And I remember once working with
a person who was in severe pain, and initially they said that the pain
had eased and that was fine, that was the purpose. But then they
come back, said the pains come back, And they said, yes,
it would, because you invited it that And I said, pain is support.
Is it defined your life? And it meant you don't need to have
a job, and you're the center of attention and you get free accommodation and
you've got lots of the support and financial support. If you didn't have the
pain, then you could go find a job. The quality of your life
would change. Drastically. You know this, and that's why the pains come
down. Yeah. Well, interesting, when you were talking about your being
in the school school teacher, I think you actually had also you know those
debut Yeah yeah. Did you have any paralleble experiences actually in the school that
thought? Were you saying things there? Yeah? Yeah, not so much
seeing things. I used to get knocking on the wall a bit like portygeist
knocking. You can tell sometimes from the quality of the sound whether it's portageist
or not. But I used to just turn and say they would you stop
doing that? Please? This is not the right time. But if you
want to meet me tonight at my home, I'll happily talk to you.
And it always stop. We were any of the other sides is aware of
it, or they were aware of, let's say, by the psychic side
of my life, because they would occasionally seeing your things outside of the school
about what I was doing, and I got a clear ribbing for it.
I had also side. Did I take it seriously as well? Close Collings
would take it seriously, especially if I gave him a message. We had
a supply teacher coming in and she was upset and she was sent to me
as deputy head for it to find out what was going on. There were
a bit of support and she walked in and there was a young man with
blonde hair walking behind her in Spirit and she sat down and she said,
I feel very embarrassed. But something happened that reminded me of my son.
And she said, and I'm still grieving. And I said, well,
you know that's that's understandable, and your circumstances that your son doesn't want to
be and she looked at me. I said, we're standing behind you,
just behind the right shoulder, and he's concerned that you're upset. He said,
don't be concerned about him. He's happy. Although he missus you,
he's happy. And she wrote about that experience in a book because she didn't
expect that from school management. But I have to be clear, I didn't
do that very often. I once counseled the girl who was upset and wouldn't
talk to anyone, including me. So I said to Spirit, what's what's
upset? And they said to me, she's pregnant, and she she she
can't be the thought of telling her parents because of the shame that the hostile
reaction. And I said, but I can help him with that. I'll
tell her parents and and I turned to the girl and said, I think
this is your problem. And she looked and she said, how could you
know that nobody? I haven't told anyone in this school. And I said,
I just have a feeling. I said, and that I also have
a feeling that and should bring your parents in and tell them or support you
in terming them so you don't need to worry about a hostile reaction. And
she burst into tears. And you know, eight months later she brought a
child in to school to sort of see okay then yeah, oh yeah,
yeah, and she she she needed help at the time, but our family
came round too as it worked out okay. But I feel a little uncomfortable
talking about it, only because I did a very professional job as a deput
head and I didn't interfere with people's lives. So if I knew there was
a romantic relationship going on and that the people involved with thought it was kept
a secret, it wasn't a secret from me. But I never exploited the
situation to personal advantage. I was always supported with non judgment from them just
as well. Yeah, let him who is without sin you know, cast
the first the first time. Yeah, of course absolutely. I mean,
we're all guilty. I'd go back to that skull at the skull experiment.
Is any sort of things that you can talk about that you experienced there.
Yes. At the time, which was the late nineteen nineties, I wrote
a short article, just a couple of pages, maybe describing the first visit
and a second, and I'm happy to glance at those notes and go through
what it was like to be there, because even people who know about the
experiments might not know what it was like to be in the room and what
happened there that was so evidential. It certainly was the icing the cake for
me. I had already got a belief in the after life, but to
see what was happening was jaw dropping. Really that I'm not given to superfluous
kin compliments, but this was awesome. Maybe you're American. American listeners will
find that a fairly ordinary term to use, but it's probably one of the
few times in my life that I would say it is merited. It was
awesome. And shall I go through the story? Well? Please too?
Yeah, please stop me if if I go on too long, So I
don't think you could go too long. You can listen to you or not.
Going back to September or ninety six, my wife and I went with
three friends from Scotland, all of whom were interested in its spiritualist phenomena and
physical phenomenon. We sat with a small group of host mediums, four mediums
and I'll come back to the later to foody bear and we sat in the
cellar of a house in Norfolk and now you know, and as the village
of school physical phenomena clearly demonstrated in several ways, many ways, for over
an hour, and we were all very impeensed. But so much depends on
the witness is when you hear a story like that. I mean. Our
group comprised of ahead of computer services at a university, a qualified hypnotherapist,
a training manager for a national company, and two promoted teachers, one of
whom had a research degree and a background in psychology. But more importantly,
none of us were new to the spiritually scene. We had all sat in
various circles over the years where had attended successful demonstrations of trans and physical mediumship.
Before one of our group had even led a course in physical mediumship that
got plaudits, and we were critical of mediumship and demonstrations, but our traditional
expts of what to expect did little to prepare us for the sustained, visual,
inexplicable objects that we all agreed we saw. We were living in Scotland
and we had actually been sitting my wife and I with a couple of others
for the development of physical mediumship for several months at home. We had been
encouraged by our experiences. We would get some changes of temperature, we would
get a sense of a presence, we would have perhaps occasional touches and flashes
of light. But we had joined other groups over the years and we had
come with these varied experiences, and we all shared the desire to witness unambiguous
physically but then something that nobody could be in any doubt about, and two
of us were members of the Scottish Society for Psychical Research. Fueled our interests
but also frustrated it because we never really found unambiguous evidence. It could all
be made the explained, and even the school experiments. People used to say,
ah, it took place in the dark. Yeah, well I'll deal
with that shortly. But it didn't just take place in the dark. I
was beginning to doubt whether the sightings that in the literature and that I heard
about with the odd video clips are relating an Internet. I doubted if it
would ever happen for me, especially when the case investigations the phenomena would implode
upon my arrival. I thought that might happen at school as well. But
if we could see the unambiguous phenomena, even touch it and hold it,
we all knew it would have a profound effect on our interest in physical mediumship
would increase if they laws of physics were useduped in front of me, and
they were. I had heard about impressive phenomena regularly at the host group,
the school group, for many months prior to being invited, and we had
also spoken with the late Professor Archi Roy, who was a founder of the
SSPR and also a president of the SPR in London, and he was given
good evidence. One of the things that he said is I spoke to someone
in spirit, he said. Now I think I know who it was,
he said, But when they began to talk about celestial mechanics, I knew
there was only half a dozen people in the world that could talk and hold
that conversation with me because he was a professor of astronomy, he said,
and some of them were dead already, so to hear them speaking through a
medium using terms that were not in the public domain, he said, was
impressive for me. Apart from the life, which she almost dismissed. You
know that the light phenomena just it didn't impact on them as much as that
conversation. So we went down. We expected to be disappointed. Physical phenomena
is relatively rare, unreliable transient. So what was it we saw? Let's
get to the number it. In blackout conditions, for over an hour,
lights like large LEDs moved responsively, responsively around the circle of ice beans,
illuminating their immediate surroundings and entering solid objects such as a crystal are passing through
a table. And you might say, a, but magicians can't do that.
Yeah, but magicians can't take an orb and put it inside your chest
so that titles you your ribcage from the inside. And that happened to my
wife in front of me. I could hear her squealing, not in pain,
but because this sensation it was just as a light hit her in the
chest and went and sign These were energy lights, if you liked. They
weren't LED's. And I'm going to explain how I know that they partially illumined
their surroundings as they sped around at high speed, so that I could see
the people in the room opposite me as the light passed by them. And
they were at one point a dozen lights, and at the most about twenty
any one time. So we were astounded by this light show, this spectacle,
but even more astounded when a materialized hand appeared in front of us and
picked up a bowl that was on the coppy table. When the disembodied boys
spoke at length was with us from the center of this small room. I
was astonished when my wife was levitated in a chair, objects move, bells
rang, no one was seen to touch them. Several people were touched by
these lights, so they weren't light phenomena. They had a physicality to them.
And at one point I trapped the lights in my hands like this and
moved my fingers to make sure that there was no fishing line or slender thread
attached to the lights. But the lights also responded to requests, so I
held out my hand and said, the lights haven't touched my hand yet and
they had for other people. And the lights shot around the room as if
it was a half circle that tapped my hand like this, and then other
as if waiting for what happens next, shone the light into my face and
then zoomed off with the speed of an arrow. These things had never happened
to me. And throughout all there was cul it and significant clear voyance from
the mediums who were in deep trance, so deep that later on they said
that they had no memory of what happened in need to tell them. So
the journey back to Scotland that evening was a high speed buzzz of chatter.
We tried to process what we had experienced. But when we went back to
my home and we started the next home circle, which was a weekly affair,
the energized crystal that I had purchased from the stool group glowed in the
dark of my home, so much so I could read a newspaper by it,
but only holding it against it very closely, that's to give you a
sense of the glow. And then it didn't go after that. A week
later it only sparked on the points of the trystal, white blots crystal and
the week after that it never glowed, it never sparked, and it never
has since, even although I used it often in say honest is and also
for healing purposes. And the energy whatever it was, I think was to
do the school larther than me. So we were disappointed in as much as
we were told it was a once in a lifetime visit. So you can
imagine how I reacted when Robin Foye, the organizer, pulling me up and
said can you come back? And I said, but I thought it was
a once in a lifetime visitor said yes? Or did we That's the rule
we've been following for years. But Spirit got in touch and said they want
to do an experiment the likes of which we have never done. We might
have said has never been done, but I think he was referring to them.
And six months later we went, and this time, of course,
we had high expectations because we thought we would get more of the same.
But what was this strange experiment that they were talking about that they themselves,
the Spirit team and the school group, had never attempted before, And why
were we meant to be there? And the answer was we brought really good
energy with us, and they handpicked five people from England and they had ten
really good, energized participants, and that helped the phenomenon. In the same
cellar room of painted brick concrete floors and a copy table with fourteen chairs around
at four of which were used by the post mediums, I checked the security
of the room before because I had begun to wonder in my skeptical stupidity was
where we were in a planetarium where fiber optic cables were being used by a
computer to make it seem as if there was a three dimensional hologram light effect.
But of course when the lights come down to you, shine your base
and allow you to hold them as I did, then you realize that's just
stupid. You've got to look at your skeptically the first place. Yeah,
and I did. I mean, I've seen David copperfield work, and I
have an interest in conjuring just as an amateur hobby. So I know that
David Copperfield can do things that we wouldn't be able to explain. But it
needs a couple of articulated lorries and a whole team of people to set it
up in a darkened auditorium where he's worked out mathematically the angles of the audience
and what they can see. There was nothing like that in school, and
there was no checking like that anyway. These lights there was. There were
small pale green blue color. They changed a little bit for reasons that I
think have to do with the lights rather than us. They momentarily illuminated these
blackout conditions, but there was a difference. Some of the lights seemed hooded
like a like a tiny toplight. And what was interesting was as the lights
zoomed around, other lights came down and picked up people's faces or items on
the copy table. And as the lights went round the upper part of the
room, they never lost their target object. They kept the focus on the
object their little torch lights. So it would be a fantastic thing to even
imagine that a couple of human beings could manipuate to these lights and never lose
their accuracy from what were pointing out, despite the fact they were puzzing around
the room at the same time. So sometimes the lights would hover inches from
our hands, her feet to her faces, allowing unambiguous corroboration amongst the sitters.
So if a light was shining into my face, everyone in the room
could see my foats, and if it moved to somebody else, everyone in
the room could see them. And then the two media in trans told us
we are about to see phenomena which has never been seen before by this group.
They weren't even sure exactly what we would see because it was coming from
a dimension to which the Spirit team did not have access. So we waited.
And despite the impressive evidence that we had received in the previous sitting and
so far that that day, this announcement to me seemed fanciful and imaginative,
and I did have a dubiety about it all. And then lights appear bigger
and in groups, this time linked together by blue white beams and forming a
series of three dimensional, partly translucent shapes that became solid the longer they moved
around the room, and they moved at varying speeds, sometimes very fast.
From one horver triangle, which was wedge shaped, its tiny searchlight beams came
from underneath it and explored the room the sitters the table as if it was
checking out the environment. Two other horizontal tubes seemed to carry hazier, irregular
shapes underneath it, And while I could look into these horizontal tubes. The
tube might have been two and a half feet long, but it looked as
I was looking into it, seven ten twelve feet in depth. It was
one of these cleidoscopic things that you couldn't even trust how long it was when
you looked inside it. And then a little pair of hands came out from
one of the tubes. There were miniaturized female hands, I think, like
maybe a little girl's hands, or miniaturized the female hands an adult maybe,
and they bless each of the participants by opening the hands, going to the
next space and going like that, going to the next space and open hands
and right round all the visidoms. And I don't even know how you would
do that if you were a conjuct. I mean, it's such a fantastic
vision as well. And it's not something you would make up anyway, is
it. If you were going to make something up, you would like something
more. You know what a schnook helicopter's like, Yeah, bulbous at both
ends. Imagine a small one of them with no blades on top, and
it's moving around, but it's carrying something underneath. Something that is it looks
like a piece of tissue or a handkerchief, and as this object swings around
the room, the lines go up and follow the trajectory as they would if
it was a real copt But there were no hurrying blades and no sound.
Come what else. There were shapes that were perplexing and are difficult to describe.
I've mentioned the tubes and the hands coming from one of the tubes,
but there there was accurately ns There were things moving in the room. There
were things disappearing in front of your reappearing in mid air. Sometimes it's very
difficult to give you a minute by minute for me your explanation of everything.
I've just given you the things that impressed me. So the accurate clearvoyance is
just to give you an example. My wife as a phobia about snakes,
and we stayed in an inn accommodation which the own, the proprietor, had
a snake in an aquarium glass tank on the landing outside our bedroom. So
my wife stuffed towels under the door and said I couldn't sleep. And it
was a big snake, a big board constrictor, but she wouldn't believe it
couldn't slide under the door, and she she was very embarrassed and decided not
to reveal this, but she didn't get a lot of sleep. You can
imagine the host medium and said, spirit, we're laughing last night you were,
you know, being worried. We won't say to the group what you
don't want us to say. We'll just say we were aware of your feelings
and we'll leave it at that. And I think they gave back to a
few more details, but they didn't mention the snake. My wife did later
on to explain what that MISSI was about. So let's let's be really analytically.
Could it have been a holographic light show using next generation technology, using
hidden projectives, with images maintained speed under the table with clarity. We can't
do that, or least in the late nineteen nineties, we couldn't do that,
because as soon as you move a holographic image of gloves plus you need
three oil dampened platforms in which to set your projectors and the constant line of
sight, or you lose the integrity of the image. We had lights that
kept their integrity under tables round about feet underneath us, inside my hands,
so that idea doesn't hold water. But one of the things you don't know
me about about me is that I do work in the film and television industry
as a humble driver, so I don't want to think I'm an actor.
But in meeting production people, I met a couple of CGI experts I think
they were from Sony Pictures, and I described the phenomena without saying it was
physical spiritualist phenomena. And I said, could you replicate that? And they
said no? And I said, come on, guys, over a million
quint together and you could keep it. Surely you could do it. And
they said no, we want to do it, but we couldn't. And
I said, why not it? And they said, you've not been listening
to us. We need three large oil damp and the platforms are you've only
pick up the vibration from the vehicles passing the road outside. You don't have
room in a room that's fourteen feet square and it's got fourteen people in it.
You know you don't have a space to have those comments. And secondly,
you describe being touched. The best hologram in the world won't have a
physical touch effect on me. And they went on to give another couple of
examples where it couldn't be a light show done by people. Could it be
tiny, moral, noiseless aircraft that gyrate and hobbard and streaked around the room
at great speeds, never ones crashing or hurting anyone, impressive exterity coming to
rest on the palms of our hands without any errors. Where with these anti
gravitational devices were the messages from mid air because one of the participants was up
in trolley twister. But it would also neend to be an accurate, clear
voyant medium. You know, It's just I think the explanations are sillier than
just accepting what the bloody olvious, which as you're saying things that are not
every day in this world and suggest that there are other dimensions of existence that
occasionally overlap with our own. But you need the right people in the right
place, with the right intentions, and you need the cooperation not just of
the spirit team, but of other dimensional people or entities who want to collaborate
for the purposes of evidence. So that's my description of the two visits there
are for people who think I'd like to know more about those kind of things
that have been books written. There's a three under page scientific before it was
very controversial and still is. But the investigators were good quality scholars with professors
and one of electrical engineering, one of psychology. They never at any time
saw even a single example of attempted from and they didn't think they're an example
of successful Colde Island. It was as it appeared to be. Is that
the pool that was republished in two thousand and six, I think you will
see I'll think that is a particular book. Well, there was a there
was a book called The School Experiments by Grant and Ruth Solomon, which I
think is now in the second or isn't it second edition that it might even
be about to produce a third edition, being very popular, and it's written
for the layman. But there was also a scientific report that was written for
the Society for Psychical resin But at the time it came out it was controversial,
and I would suggest politely that it was controversial because these were very difficult
experiences to explain. That's why it was controversial. It really lifted the bar
of evidence to a very high level. Now here's the thing I want to
stress to your audience. It wasn't just happening at school, right, They
went to America, and it happened in front of NASA. NASA will never
admit and I think that they attended a meeting and that they saw like phenomena
like that that they couldn't explain. It happened in Abida in Spain. It
happened with my physical medium primd that I was speaking about earlier, who went
out to see Robin and Sandra Fi and brought through the entire spirit team physically
into the room. They all materialized. Robin said he was in tears hugging
people that had been communicating with for years, and he thought he had lost
like members of his family. He was in the state of grief. And
back in Scotland, I continued to do circles and with physical mediums that I've
been describing, and the phenomena was every bit as impressive. So it's not
to do with school only. This is not a rogue event. This is
just a development of the quality of their I've had spirit children jump into my
lap and ask for a hug. I've shook hands with adults, and I've
had the long conversations about the nature of what it's like to be in the
spirit world and the restrictions that are there, but they leave parties to come
and speak with me. And the one occasion I said, come on,
it sounds like life's are party over there, and they said, you want
to join us, And they brought the sounds of a party into this room
that we were not at school, but in the back in Glasgow, about
two three feet above our heads, and you can hear the clink of glasses,
you could hear a conversation to your laughter. It was just like being
in a party. And then it stopped and the person said, we've just
left the party and we would like to go back to it if you well,
some of these people I'm speaking about, we're famous in their lifetime.
But I'm not going to fall into the trap of saying, you know,
I was in the previous life as clear Patra or something. You know.
I don't want to get wrapped up in that, but I was. I
was pleasantly surprised that some of the spirit people that used to sing songs on
this life wanted to sing in the next world as well, and they signed
for us and with us as sitters in their sailings. These are very special
experiences. I went home and I'm going to put my headphones on and listen
to these voices, and I'm ninety nine percent certain that it's the same person
speaking and singing. And I'm in a teacher of English studies, so I
always leave the one percent open for the possibility of impersonatives that. Yeah,
you know, so there's that. On one level, it's wonderful taking hear
somebody talk about these kind of experiences, But what really matters is, so
what do you do with it? How does it change? Does it transform
me? And the answer is, I've never been the same since it happened.
That was over twenty years ago. It's It's fueled my conviction that such
things can happen given the right conditions. And I'm still interested in the conditions,
but I've turned it down opportunities to sit and seances because I feel I've
had the evidence. I don't need more of it, and I've given up
places to people who have never experienced that. So was it, sorry,
was that experience the one that really cemented you? That side belief? But
so your knowledge of it? What I said was, now I know that
such things happen that I've been told about for years, I know now that
they can happen. Because they've happened with me, and they've happened repeatedly in
school twice, in Glasgow half a dozen times, sometimes in brightly like conditions
and so on. But what I would say is, if you have a
good heart and you well intentioned, and you want to help people, and
you're not going to fall into some sort of eagle trap, spirit will respond.
So I shall I tell you an amazing story, not as amazing as
school. Maybe. A male voice woke me up at three in the morning
and said, we want you to leave your job and go to South Palam.
I didn't know who are what for your South Palace, but I've been
thinking the aby I would retire soon. So I went into my school and
spoke to the head teacher and said I want to retire and I want to
know what my package would be. And basically I was not accepted for a
package, and I was told that they didn't want to lead because they wouldn't
be easy to replace mem A year later, almost to the day, the
same male voice woke me up at near phone in the morning and said,
well, you were going to give up your job and go to South pala
And I said, well, I was, but they didn't want to let
me go. He said, so what are you going to do? I
said, this time, i'll go in and if they don't give me a
package, I'll just resigning. And you went, okay, I said,
before you go, why is because then I googled it and it was a
city in Brazil and you said, because there's things we want to keep you
and it's easier there than it is in Scotland. Okay. So I went
in, hyped up a little resignation and the head teacher said, oh,
I can't guarantee you and enhance package which some people were getting. And I
just handed the letter of resignation over and a few weeks later I jumped on
a plane to Brazil with the professor of physics as my companion. He was
keep a skeptical but he said, if you're willing to spend thousands to vote
to Brazil because of some spiritual adventure and you think it's waiting for you,
I want to see it, and I want to spend thousands of my pounds
because I believe that you're not lying to So we get to south parallel and
we arrive at twelve rather than or twelve at night and we don't see anything.
It's dark and it's flashing lights outside. So breakfast next morning. He
says, so where are we going? And I said that I don't know.
They said, and like who we're going to meet? And know what's
the address? So I've got maps here. I said that I don't have
any names. I don't have any addresses. And he said, Nick,
I think you've gone. He said, I've traveled halfway across the world and
you don't even have a name and address. I said, no, this
is literally what are you going to do after break? I said, go
a walk? I said, spirit asked me to come here. I've come
here. They're not going to let me down. And we went for a
walk and I walked in a sort of meandering straight line for about forty minutes.
In the first building that caught my eye that I stepped towards and pause
said, a spree on the wall, and I figured it made trainers or
sports where it was some kind of logo for a business. So when I
walked through the door, there was a bust of balance her deck, the
founder of modern Brazilian Spiritism in the foyer, So I knew that there had
to be a spiritual connection. And the women came up to me and said,
can I help you in Portuguese? And I managed to reply in poor
Portuguese in English, and she called a man over who turned out to be
the president of the largest spiritual healing church in Brazil, possibly in the planet.
They have five thousand patients a week, five hundred healers, and each
healer is only there because they've been trained for five years. And the van
said, I intro. I was introduced by his female column and he said,
well, Nick, he said, this is I can't help but smile.
He said. Spirit told us two weeks ago you've got someone coming from
Scotland. So he said, we open up the whole place to how many
days that you've got? I said for a fan and he said, you
can go anywhere and speak to anyone. Do what you like, he said,
and we will help you learn about what we do here. So one
of the things that they down was they seem to heal patients in a who
are seated with a healer behind and a healer and either side, and they
would sometimes whisper to each other or whisper to spirit a posite sure, and
the patient would be sitting there, sometimes in their eyes clothes, and I
saw this happened several times. But on one occasion, a man who was
observing the healing like me, reached over and said, what do you see?
What do you think? And I said that I see the same as
you. I see someone getting supposed to be getting healing, I said,
in three gamers. He said, and do you have any comment to me?
I said, yeah, the person in the right shouldn't be doing it
because they're in a state of ill health and the energy is not going through
them. He said, would you like to take her place? We planted
her there to see if you would pick up the difference. The woman stepped
back. I stepped in and I feel help spirit come down me like a
cold electricity, and I was part of the healing energy subculating around that one.
Wow. I have lots of stories about Brazil, but I came away
practicing a healing method that I still used today. But it's it's difficult,
Gavid. If I publicly say I'm a healer and I work with people with
any condition, there are people who might sue me under the trace description that
we're using the word healing. I have a twain friend who had testimonials from
patients that he couldn't put on his website because one was a cancer patient.
He was told he was about to die and he survived, and he wasn't
able to put me to take it down from his website. And it wasn't
even once it he written. It was a testimonial from the and probably half
the patient. So I keep quiet about the healing work that I do,
and indeed I keep quiet about my mediumship and what I say is and it
works. And if spirit want me to help somebody, they'll bring that person
to me. They'll put them in front of me. The conversation will take
a time, and I'll know that I'm meant to help, and that's how
I worked. I don't run a healing clinic and say right, it's four
o'clock, I need to heal ten times. I just it doesn't appeal to
me at all, and I don't think it probably would work. Have you
have you actually seen good results from your healing? I mean I was so
I didn't really have anything wrong with me, but I was actually told to
actually sit there and hear there's practice on me. But I have to say
that after I read that healing on me although there was nothing wrong with but
I actually felt a lot later steed, believe it or not, or actually
felt a lot better healthier. It was a funny failure, yes, but
I don't want this to become Nick is telling us stories to validate the easy
healer. I don't know. It's a bit egotistically even to say that.
Let me give you an example of another healer where I was involved. A
healer friend of mine, medium who doesn't like the term medium, he prepares
to say energy practition. He was working with a young woman who had never
had this killing before. And as as they both the dealer and the patient,
as they came to meet me for a sort of social contact, even
though I didn't know the young malady. The the healer was driving and they're
driving up a well known road and Glasgow's Bayered Road in the west End.
And as he drive me up, the healer he was immediate saw a ghost.
And the ghost was an old lady walking down the pavement towards the side
of the car, which she's still a few yards today. And the reason
that he knew it was a ghost because she looked solid to him, was
because she didn't have any feet were her feet where the image stopped at the
ankles. And he turned to the young woman and said, do you see
the old lady walking towards the car? And she said yes. He said,
this driver from head to toe, So of course the woman. I'm
telling us very quickly that the woman said. Now she's wearing a kind of
scarf and her hair and her hairs and ringlets and and she's got some kind
of overall uniform on top of her address and she's wearing it. Oh my
god, where's a feat? And that's how. So a young woman was
walking with three children up them or sidewalk for you American, I guess,
and they were about to climb. But the young women didn't see the old
lady in spirit and walked right through her, and the spirit lady reform and
the young woman had walked on, but the children could see her. They're
all turning looking at what's just happened, and getting pooled by their mother tugged
further along. Now that the young woman was very excited when she met me
and said, oh my god, I've just seen my first ghost and I've
just been my first feeling, she said, And she turned to the heel
and she said, why did I see that ghost? Was it because I
was sitting beside you? And the healer smiled and said, because you've just
had the healing, your sensitivity, you're awareness, your consciousness of expanded,
all your senses are allowing you to see things that in normal every day consciousness,
when you're half asleep and busy, you don't notice. And that,
to me was correct. And that's what I would want to say to your
listeners. From my perspective, most people are half asleep at the most people
are. They have survival busyness that they fill their minds and their energies with
trivia. And I'm not a sportsperson, so I would put sport on the
trivia category as well. Just to be controversial, Well, I think there's
such eternal purpose for the people above. You know, I'm very fond of
saying, when I see ten thousand or long more a roaring and cheering I
would say, if I had that enthusiasm for any charitable enterprise, there wouldn't
be so many problems in the world. But they'll row and pay good money
to see a ball in the back of a net, and you don't need
to mention the Ukraine and Gaza to know where I would put them on.
So you were asking about evidence of healing, there's evidence that's different from what
you probably expected because it's not the removal of a condition. So yes,
people have had conditions improved as a result of me working with them. But
I was asked to go and see a man who was about to die.
Was in this last stop they stop eating and drinking, so there were only
days to go, and his daughter's asked if I could go and help,
and I said, well, if you're expecting a miraculous cure which goes again,
perhaps his wishes and certainly the way his body was that is heading and
to change all of that, it can happen, But I don't think it
will. I think if I see your father, we will pass more quickly
because spirit will be drawn close to them, and they'd be saying, by
waiting for you, they're just they're just a step away, and in a
day or two you will will be with us, and we can facilitate and
maybe even speed up that process by making it a smooth transition. And the
girls, the daughters looked quite taken aback that wasn't what they expected of the
healer really go was in their father dies quickly. It's so notions of evidence
of healing are a wee bit more complicated than being a miracle with her m
hmm. But yes, I've seen things I can't explain that some people would
call miracles, including in my own family. Where to test the healer,
I took one of my family, a female, and she lay down.
She didn't have anything very physically wrong with her right, So I thought that
the healer might say, oh, yes, there is a physical problem lady's
hands or whatever, and I would know that he's deluded. Yeah, but
she did have a mild headache and she felt a bit nauseous. So that
was what I expected to pick up, not a bit of it. He
closed his eyes. He began to mutter. I think it was in German,
but it was in a language I didn't pick up. He put his
hand over the relative lying on this bench and simply went like this, Ah,
I expected a physical difficulty, this is an emotional one. Would you
like me to deal with this? And I said yeah, and he went
and the girl woke up from a kind of dreamlike stage. She didn't see
any of this. Which you might have heard the words. And she woke
up, sat up and began to cry, cry, really solving. Now
I knew that the healer had identified an emotional blockage and he just cleared it,
and that without full knowledge of that, my relative was crying her heart.
Later, when she calmed down, she said, I was jilted.
I was supposed to get married somebody and he let me down very badly.
And I've never told anyone. They've been bottling up ever since. Well,
so again, that's evidence of something, something remarkable, and it's something that
people would pay good money for. But it's not exactly the traditional ride here
taking a demon out and putting it into swine, or a miracle happening in
front of you, which I think it can and does happen, but traditional
expectations would we need to change a little bit. I have to sell at
this point. I've been told on several occasions for me, two or two
or three different mediums, that I'm a heiler, but I've never put it
into practice. I don't know. My hands are always very warm. I
don't know if it's a EFFECTA don't that's a EFFECTA If you read the literature
you'll find that people in your position are often told that they've got tingling hands,
they've got warm hands, but sometimes cold hands when it's the conditions are
warm, and they are told, well, this is a sign that's but
it want to work through your hands. They help people, and healing is
the obvious explanation. But I would think the first of all, what you've
told could easily be true my own opinion as everybody's regular. Yeah, some
use once, some use presence, some use rituals, spells, magic and
them so. But some people just they're caring. Is like an energy vibrational
way, and the person feels better as a As a teacher, I often
I still train teachers, and I said to them, you put so much
work into the content of these lessons. Your pupils won't remember the content of
most of these lessons, but they'll remember how you made them feel m for
years. Yeah, and that's what I found to be true. I met
a woman a few months ago who said, you taught me English in a
particular lesson, and I thought, oh, no, I've probably said something
controversial, you know. She said no, no, she said you complimented
everyone in the class for the way in which they'd done their homework individually.
You went round and pointed out what was good, and for the few pupils
that didn't do the homework, of which I was one of them, complimented
them in the personality of the character that would inspire them to try and do
their homework mixing. Everyone looked at that sort of dead contratract, don't they
seven years in primary and three or four years at that point and secondary,
a teacher have never complimented me without having a big reason to do so.
And I felt very sad because I had been deputy in that school for several
years when she was there. I didn't realize teachers were so mean with their
praise. Yeah, I remember my school dies. It was terrible. OSes
So can I can I give you an example of medium which I think will
appeal to some of your listeners. You're you're you festerated me. Actually,
I think you're a rising speaker. I thank you very much for that.
But you've never you've never been a pupil in my class. They would say,
I have a hypnotic effect because they all want to go to sleep.
No, I don't find it at all. Okay, So, uh,
this is a story which involves a friend of my wife's and my friend's name
I've got permission to use. Her name is called Chila. So my wife
was sitting at home and she's mediumistic, she sees spirit. I tend to
just fuel the presences spirit when they are senter that she's clear boying and a
woman materialized in a dining area, and my wife looked across and said,
oh, hello, who are you and why you here, which is how
we normally can respond. And this little old lady said, my name is
Elizabeth, and I'm here for Margaret. Okay. So I came in the
door from the I think the meditation class. I run and my wife told
me, and we both were concerned because my wife, sorry, my wife
has an aunt called Margaret, and I have a mother called Margaret, and
neither of them were being great. But we didn't expect from that, so
we thought, why are we getting the materialization which required a lot of energy
to do that. So if when my mother and my wife and her aunt,
they're fine, and we kept an eye on them for a few days,
Cindy, and that's the first time in my life that I had a
spontaneous message from spirit, albeit it to my wife that was wrong, and
that was a big deal for me. And suddenly it's not right. How
did we get that wrong? It wasn't a vague impression. It was a
spirit person speaking, you know. And then we got a phone top that
my my wife's friend, Sheila, had just been told her sister Maggs had
been given the terminal diagnosis and was already in the hospice. And he thought
only her mother called her Margaret. Wow, right, And when checked,
the description of the woman that my wife saw matched the description that Sheila gain
of her mother. Yeah. So we went to the funeral, which was
in Dublin. We didn't experience anything of our paranormal nature there. It was
very moving and my wife hadn't told Sheila what I told you, but weeks
later she shared this Withiper, and Sheila jumped in her car from the south
of England, came up to her home and when I came in from another
meditation, Sheila was sitting there and I said, Sheila, it's good to
see you. I didn't know when we would see you. I'm really sorry
for your losses. Should know about that, you know. And I said,
but why you here? And she said well, your wife Sarah has
just told me about the experience she had in which my mother and we have
material arms. And she was concerned at that time about the news about Miggs,
which you didn't understand at the time. And I said, yeah.
She said, well, maybe if I'm here, my mother will come back,
maybe Mags will come through. And she said, Sarah's not sure that
that will happen, but I know you're a medium. I just don't know
if you think it will happen. And I said, well, it ain't
like a telephone company, right, but let's try. You've driven for ten
hours awhile, and let's try. And almost immediately, a sense of an
energy a person's built up. So I had a telepathic conversation with this person.
But my wife, Sarah and her friend Sheila are sitting and as far
as they could tell, there's no one there, and they couldn't hear anyone
speaking to me, and they couldn't hear me speaking either. So this is
how the conversation went, and this is important for the point of the story.
I said, minds, is that you yes? She said, I
said, and do you know that your sister Sheila is here? She said,
that's why I'm here. Said okay. So I turned to Sheila and
I said, I might have Mags here. What would you want to know?
Is she happy? Where is she? And is she happy? That
was the two. I turned to this invisible space and empty space and I
said, Mags, did you hear the question? Yes? So what's your
answer? Where are you? Are you in heaven? No? She said,
And of course I panicked a little bit because people think I'll be like
you know, I haven't been pressure. She said, I'm in a place
which is not perfect maybe, but very nice. But it's no, no,
it's not It's okay. I said, no, you're happy, and
Mags said, yes, very When I arrived, I was met with a
whole group of people that I knew in my life, and family and friends
and people had gone and die before me, and they were all waiting and
it was laughter and giggles and hugs and kisses, and I was great.
She said, there was still nots up come down from that feeling, because
they're all around you. So I turned to Sheila and I told her this,
and Sheila, of course was moved. Her sister's not in heaven.
But she laughed because Mike said to me, it's not perfect. We'd give
me a week or two and I'll see what I can do. And Sheila
burst out laughing when I told her that, because she said my sister was
a troubleshooter for a national company. She would go into a branch and either
turn it around in a week or so or close it. So her saying
give me reap your job and see what I can do. That's just a
joke about her job, which I didn't know. And then she's Sheila surprised
me by saying something that maybe to you, David, would be an obvious
question. She said, Nick, I don't think you would deliberate they tell
me a lie? But how do I know it's really minds? And I
hadn't anticipated that happened to Mags, And I said, did you hear that
question, Mags? And she went, yeah, So what's your answer proof
that it's really you? And this is how mag spoke to me like a
stupid child, she said. When I passed over, I was met by
a group, a committee, if you like, of people I hadn't known
in my life, and it was very fun and happy times. And I
made them laugh, she said, and they made me laugh, she said.
I said to them, I was wearing bright red high heeled shoes,
and I said, is it all right to wear these? Here? And
a man stepped forward and said, with an English accent, you can if
you want, love, but no one's going to hear you coming. And
there was a giggle and whatnot in the spirit side doing this conversation. And
I looked at Sheila and I told her what I've just told you. When
the tears started to run, she said, I put bright red high heels
on my sister's feet when she was in her coffin before it was screwed down,
and I made the undertaker promise not to tell anyone. Only Miggs would
know that, and me as her sister, and Undertane did the she with
them last followed it there. So since then, Max has come through on
two other occasions to talk about planting a tree in her memory and having a
little memorial service and not inviting certain relatives because they had become a strange or
they were happy, and Max had something to say about that. That was
some motive towards you. I could fill the space with lots of stories about
surprising outcomes, but that's one that's fairly recent, a few years ago.
It's local, and it involves my wife as well as she was given me
permission to tell anybody because it's a very warm story. So it's a very
nice story. Yeah, I'm not sure what else you would like me to
talk about, but there's there's dozens of cases putting some spectacular ones. I've
got a bit of a question about ectoplism. Yeah, we've all seen these
old Nazi sensory photographs with vector pisms or suppose of the ectopism. Do you
think a lot of those were toually genuine or there were I mean, what
is I've never seen it. I mean any generalization is false, any generalization
because it won't cover everybody, right, So if you say were they falls,
I would say, yeah, there were false. But I know when
I say that there were something that were genuine, Right, If I say
yeah, they're genuine, I believe I would be speaking about the minority of
pictures. So it's difficult when you generalize to get the accuracy of what you're
trying to say out there. But there's no doubt both from the top professional
photographers and people like professors of visual perceptions and the way cameras work. From
a technical point of view, that these photographs are not convincing. And some
of the photographers agreed that there were hopes. Is when it no longer mattered
to them. But I have one or two photographs that would stun almost any
audience, and I can tell you about them, and I showed them at
the conference you were talking about, the Awakens conference. In an Italian castle,
a ghoster's rumor to turn up on a particular stairwell annually, maybe not
precisely to the day, but so for a few nights the castle was closed
and castle security was in place. There was an inner ring of academic investigators
and researchers, and they had an infrared camera trained them the stairwell, and
after several evenings they got an image an infrared quite blurred and needing the contrast
to be enhanced a little bit. But one might be persuaded that it was
a soldier in armor from a previous century that maybe sixteen cent to them.
You know, the bulbous breast chest plate, the slightly enhanced hips where they'll
be covering maybe the shoulders and elbows and some and and I say to people,
this is the best ghost photograph in the world. And I can tell
some people be sitting there being saying you've gone mad. This is a bloody
I've seen better photographs on television of the books, and you let them have
that reaction, and then you're saying, here's the reason when you show them
the next image of the same soldier figure, but it's taken the heat thermal
imaging camera and the heat is coming most of all from the upper left arm,
which is nearest to farm. These two cameras are running simultaneously, side
by side, timestamp and supervised. Nobody's claiming to have seen the ghost,
but the camera's picked up the visual anomaly in and for red and the heat
thermal imaging, which means it wasn't a visual only and normally it had to
be a physical presence emitting heat. There is no known photograph the David that
I'm aware of where someone has done that given an infrared image and a heat
thermal image in conditions of double security, with castle security and researchers. And
that's what I think makes it the first that the best post photograph. But
you know you started this by talking about ectoplasm. Ectoplasm can be identified from
a photograph, and the way it works it is a digital photograph. Is
the way it works is a digital camera, especially a really good one,
slices the light as it comes in, as it processes it, and each
wavelength of reflected light tells you what you're photographing. So if your photograph field
from twenty miles up in the satellite, you can tell there's the wood,
there's the plants, there's the metal. That you can tell even between crops
what the crops are from the the wavelength of the reflected light. Okay,
similar idea to colors, which are just reflected. Now, the point is
that if you have a photograph of the ghost and you ask the computer to
analyze what looks like hector plattern, it will tell you and I know this,
this is the waterda based protein. That's not the same as the background
that the person's standing in front of. And so you can tell if it's
a wattery based protein. It's much more likely to vector plasm because what you're
doing is you're looking at a woman's dress and behind her there's a painting in
a wooden wall, and the reflected light from the wood is different from the
the white stuff on the b mm hmm. In years to come, maybe
ten years, this will become commonplace, and all the ghost photographs that fill
books in my library and television channels, they'll all be analyzed and shown to
be either genuine or rubbish. And I would politely suggest that ghost slight Bigfoot
seem to live in fuzzy land where most of the images that we think might
be genuine will be shown to the pulse just through the use of technology.
Well, yeah, I mean I've almost try to understand exactly what expers was
actually supposed to be, you know, because there's you're I was going to
say you, but I mean people are just basically walking blobs of liquid.
Oh yeah, sure, gives structure and a muscle structure. But basically in
this frame, there's fluids running all over the place, quite apart from your
blood. Okay, Now that fluid can be expressed in different ways. Yeah,
You've got what comes out in the mouth, what comes out the other
orifices front and back, You've got sweat, You've got there's all sorts of
extrusions can happen, especially in times of stress or distress. If there's been
an accident. Ector plasma is meant to come from the mouth, the ears,
the other orifices of the body, and it comes out as a whitish
liquid and it looks like it has the same the texture and touch of cheese
claw, right, especially in dim light, cheese quod that's what some of
the photos. As it comes out in liquid form from orifices, it begins
to get bigger and take shape and form and substance. And that's probably where
the cheese cloud victims in and and it's you can touch it, and it
can touch you, and it can push and lift, so you can get
electro not electro ectoplasm leavers under objects. You may or may not see the
ectoplasm, but that's the traditional spiritualist explanation as to why it comes out.
Now it's a rather unpleasant subject, but if you think of the orifice is
and what comes out them at the moment, it's kind of unpleasant to talk
about it in detail. But that is the thinking behind it, and I'm
pleased to it's no longer as important. I was with an ectoplasm and medium
just seven six seven months ago, and he could do a lot of things
by exuding ectoplasm. Of course, the ectoplasm goes back into the body because
it's needed for the body, otherwise wouldn't have been there. And if you
get a fright or something that's a light on us, then the xto plasm
shoots into the body because it doesn't operate well in bright light, and it
can come into the body and it can hemorrhage the medium. So a medium
friend of mine, Albert Best, told me that once when he got a
fright, somebody opened the door and light came in. It was like getting
punched in the stomach and we hemorrhaged for I think for a couple of days
and felt very ill for a week or two. So people who are around
electoplasm, ectoplasm and mediums that produce that they don't really appreciate the dangers to
the medium's health of messing. You know, somebody might say wrong in the
secret talks around the barges, so suddenly shine and stuff, and they don't
realize that it could be life. So I would rather not get into that
be personally in my life. I would rather focus on vibration and frequency and
the idea that in fact even scientists are beginning to say everything is vibration and
treaquency. So if that can produce energy that can manipulate our world, that's
easier for me to except than the other stuff. Yeah. I was just
always I was trying to get my head around, well, why are they
producing this stuff? What was it? What was it actually proving? You
know, I thought of the fact that I can exclude this stuff, but
what is it actually doing? I think they called a fold shapes and things,
didn't they photos? Yeah, I mean lots of photographers tried to pretend
by using and mashi and so. But I have seen ectoplasm produced in front
of and and I would say, I think it's better if we don't use
that to look for other types of fruit, such as I've been describing.
Yeah, okay, well we'll leave that alone. It's a little top.
I'll tell you tell you what they you're talking Earlier you mentioned potagousts. I
mean, have you been experienced have you experienced some real protocoust activity and where?
Yeah? Yeah, I'm very interested in protogonusts because to me, they
are not beings being macheries, but they they are the energy coming from the
minds of interdimensional beings, and they're only partially formed in terms of what we
would think would be a well rounded human personality. They have some intelligence and
they can respond a bit like a child, but a child that's very young
or has had an injury, because there's things that they just don't seem to
pay attention to the debt. So it's think of the young child or the
injured person as as to having some intelligence but little control, and you've got
something close to how I see portygists as opposed to your troublesome ghost, which
I think is different. The term party guist, for those of your listeners
who don't know these, comes from the German med means noisy ghost, diolter
noisy troublesome is another way to put it. And yet I've had lots of
examples in cases I've been asked to investigate of protogueist phenomena cutlery being used when
there's no one there to use it, and things being moved around a bar
or in a home, in a kitchen. Sometimes cotton camera, although if
you want to stop the phenomena, trying a camera. When I was out
in Seattle on a case, the there was an AUDIOBP recording being made to
see if there were background voices that we couldn't hear with our ears, but
they were still registering recorder. And there's two researchers were facing cameras looking at
each other. So if one camera's interfered with the other capture, they've heard
subsequently an EEDP recording of two Irish voices saying what they're doing? Oh god,
that looks like a camera, Let's get out of here. And of
course the people setting up the cameras didn't say these ones and didn't have but
so they're they're troublesome ghosts rather than holtiguists. I would suggest hotogeists do the
tricks and make the noises, and sometimes the noises can be quite frightening,
and the occasionally there's other related phenomena. But I have a book here called
The Poltoguist over Scotland by a Jeff Older. Now he's no expert, but
he's a journalist who's done his homework and he's analyzed and statistically categorians hot guist
phenomena and they there's an enormous number of phenomena. Can I just give you
some of them? Because we think the party guys is making loud noises okay.
From this, you can move, You can see opparitions, Items can
be displaced from one place to another. Doors can be locked or unlocked,
open or closed. They can be damage. They can be throwing of stones,
electrical effects. They can be assaults, voices fire, a sense of
presence. It can be related to magic or black arts that you can have
a conversation with a party guys, although they tend to be rare. It
can interfere with your food. It can change the temperature of the water.
I'm only halfway down the list, right, so there's there's thirty seven different
examples altogeist action. So it's the actual picture is much more varied. In
the reports that you get and in the cases that I've investigated, you tend
to get a cluster a collection all phenomena, and some of which might seem
to be poldoguist related. But there's maybe an apparition or a ghost or a
spirit person as well, and a very unhappy, traumatic individual who's fearful of
all of its. Let me give you just a couple of thoughts. I
visited a family in which there was a lot of protoguist and a paranormal phenomena
happening. But the girl, who was approximately fourteen and a half hadn't gone
to school for two years, and when she was asked why not, she
said she was too frightened, too scared to go to school, and lots
of people were putting pressure on that to go to school. So she was
a very unhappy girl, and her phenomena was the destructive. The poltageist would
cut shoelaces so the shoes couldn't be tied. They would cut her school clothing
so she couldn't wear it to go to school. So my view of that
case was not that the girl was making it all up, but the girl's
stress could put out an energy that entities, maybe spirit people could come in
on that energy and have a bit of fun one by their way of it,
obviously, the destructive side of it wasn't playing with the family. So
most people experienced phenomena after trauma. Most but you get the odd case of
a renovation that's gone wrong. You know that the knocking down battles, and
you know, put change in the configuration of the house and the ghost returns
there and happy because they don't like what's happening. Something you don't have to
have trauma, but that's very often the entry point. It's like an energetic
beacon, and there are I was saying mischievous entities. I don't really know
many cases where people have actually been physically serious they happened. I was in
Gravefires Church in Edinburgh and my companion, I had two friends, my wife
and I were were looking at a particularly infamous grave and I was away and
she got scratched on the side of her neck and then she didn't do it,
and the scratch was noticeable. But when she got home she took off
a jacket which she hadn't taken off all day because it was cold. When
they're on our blouse was a tiny child's hand with a muddy imprint, which
of course she didn't have moth outnights. And how did it get under the
jacket, you know, when it was so Again, it's not easy to
analyze, but I think people's fear of ghosts and polity guys is often debating
the actual threat to them. That mean an extreme example where there was because
he's more in mind. When when we die, all of us come to
that point, do we decide we're going to come back as a portaguist or
a mischievous spirit or just a normal spirit, or you know, do we
have a decision that we were going to make that we're going to be mischieved
for some wonder think of it and the way I see it as many many
problems or issues questions to do with the spirit world can be answered if you
look at this world. Yeah, So when you're asking, you know,
what are the kind of the factors that influence a spirit person to combat on
them? I would say to you, so, what are the factors for
someone making progress and their education and their work and their personal life or not
in this world? Right? And you realize that issues to do with unhappy
people can be very complex and almost unique to each individual, and everybody will
have their own reasons for not doing what they should have done for their own
interests. When you get to the other side in the spirit world, some
don't want to seek the link, Some don't want to be educated or improved
and progressed in their spiritual development. Some want to stay because there's an attachment,
attachment to place attachment person attachment to unfinished business. And of course,
just like there were criminals in our earthly world, there are some spirits who
hang about for the worst reasons. I had a case where a girl was
lifted from her bed into the air by her ankles and her sister was holding
ahead and shoulders in the building, and they screened for help. And you
can imagine that it was a male entity. What would have happened if the
sister hadn't been there? M hmm. So things like the entity and stories
of assault and violent sexual assaults sometimes they're very rare. They are out there
and you have to have an idea about the deal with that too. That
particular case took three visits, and that surprised me because normally takes one tune
those particular sectional assaults. He's not on that subjects. But they're a lot
of incubus or succubus, isn't it? Normally are the daemonic entities? Yeah?
Well, I mean I'm in a difficult position because I don't really believe
in demons and old Christian medieval ideas about the nature of reality. I think
we need to upgrade ourselves a wee bit now that we've had two thousand years
of science to say, can we look afresh at these ideas and offer alternative
views. So when somebody says to me, I'm possessed by a demon.
I think they're under some kind of influence. And it might not be a
demon. It might not be Satan's fallen angels, you know for commands.
It might be interdimensional beings or just deceased persons who who were pathologically, psychologically
emotionally bound to a place or a person and they're just not willing to leave
that. I remember a little old man in an Airsha hotel. He was
he was basically moving things in the kitchen at night, and this had been
heir band noticed by staff and so so Professor Archie Roy was called in and
basically the medium that they took along said, there's a wee man with a
brown leather apron sitting on that bench there and he's swinging and speak And the
medium said, are you responsible for the mess here? And so? And
you went maybe yeah, and you know you should move on. You shouldn't
be here, and you said, I was here long before you are.
I'm staying, but you do. It wasn't ever moving, It was quitte
happy. He said, sometimes I help. Sometimes I can't bother helping or
words to that event. So I went in and I went into the same
kitchen. This is years later, the same man was there. I couldn't
see him, but I could send some and and I had a similar conversation
and and people in the dining room were heard to be eating and having a
meal and clinking and cutlery. But there were no diamonds. It was spirit
people. There must have been the people. So maybe the tells get used
free of charge. Mm hmm. To be serious for a moment. When
I was over in Brazil, I learned about spiritism and Alan Cadets books of
five, five, six, seven books that was written, and one of
the things that he was asked to write about was the idea of transition.
Why is it easy for some people and others tran transit from this earthly world
to the spirit world and the bord why is stuck? And he basically said,
it comes down to the quality of the life that you lead as to
whether you're ready for the transition. And what was actually going to answer your
question like that, lady insie. I mean, I wouldn't want to get
a hard time from anybody for not doing justice to these books I would recommend.
But the core concept is if you lead an expanded conscious way of living,
an awareness of spirit, a belief in an afterlife, and so on.
You might find yourself in the other world and not notice because your transition
has been so quick and so sid and then you look down and see your
body, maybe in a half basser in a hospital bed, and that's when
you realize your transition. It's it's it's just like this world in your initial
impression, and then you realize that's the past. You die. So that's
one end of a continuum. At their opposite end, you get distressed spirits
who have been watching the cops get eaten and decomposing for maybe a century,
and they're very unhappy. They're not in their body, but they can't seem
believe it, and it's addressing them. And it's because the kind of life
they led, they didn't believe in afterlife. They fought any religious kind of
notion. They had a closed sort of consciousness, and they had the selfishness,
so they were not wanting to die and pass on and fighting even concept
the idea of it. And most people are somewhere m hmm, and that
must take I mean, so a call of a hell. Really, if
you're watching themselves. The material a lot of that as a as a as
a living body. When you walk into a graveyard for some ghost hunt and
become a very unhappy spirit, and you should anticipate that mm hmmm, because
not everybody that dies wants to or is ready to in their makeup. So
what I would say is lead the best life that you can and believe that
life continues beyond the point of physically because that's what my experiences have led me
to, not just believe, but to experience communication with people. Even my
own grandmother while I was a child, came back after her death to tell
me she knew what was happening in my life after she died, So it
wasn't either memory she was sharing. It was an ongoing, active knowledge and
interest in her grandson. Because that I've gotten well with him a term of
grammar m in for ten times. I don't think he will mind me mentioned
his name because he's published the article a doctor Peter Mpu wrote about egotism in
the field of mediumship and paranormal researchers, and I haven't been in touch with
him yet, but I do agree it's a problem. Albert Best, Glasgow
medium and dealer, who is a great source of stories. I can tell
you that I was there. But he used to say to me, when
Ego walks in, the spirit often choose to walk in. And I would
say, when all said and done, there's a lot more said than done,
and there are very few meanings I can count them, maybe in one
hand, who are as good as they think they are or as they train.
Most people, because it's a normal human thing. Most people promote themselves
when the reality might not quite be there yet, and I hate the thought
of that happening in my life. So I've investigated on behalf of the SSPR,
which is a recognized Scottish charity, and I've never ever taken money for
it, and I've never sought publicity for it. Indeed, it's only in
the last decade or so that I've been spoken about cases. But I know
there are hundreds of people in Scotland, and sometimes for their appealing, that
have benefited because there are plenty of others like who operate from an expanded consciousness
of what's important, and they operate from the heart because that provides the real
energy of the change. Know that as well, when Spirit look at you,
they don't see you wearing a gray top, and you know, they
see the energy that you put out and that's how they recognize. And yeah,
I mean people have said to me, budd, you write a book,
and I've said, well, when I get to a Dave and I'm
so bored, I can't think of anything better to do, maybe I will.
That's just what I was going to ask you. But there's lots of
people out there who promote themselves and I try not to judge, but I
do sometimes wecially should shop. Yeah, I'll give you a wee quick anecdote
from a Glasgow spiritualius chatch. So there used to be a lady ran a
small Glasgow spiritualius chutch in the central Glasgow. Her name is Jean Primrose.
And I've been told this story. I wasn't present, and it was a
night for fledgling or novice mediums, and you know, relatively young and inexperienced
people are trying to give messages. And this young man was standing up there
and he was saying plenty, and he was giving out all sorts of information
and I don't think any of it was really being picked up. And Jean
prim Was came up and stood beside him and put her hand on the shoulder,
and he thought she was up to give him some of her energies so
that he could be better. And she said loud enough of the audience to
hear. But it was basically allowed, whisper, sit down some because there's
a Navy way meaning for the benefit of the American listeners, sit down,
young man, because there was no one in spirit by now that punctured his
self inflated ego. But it probably did him a favor as well. Because
there are lots of people out there add their messages and try and get them
to fit. I once said to a speaker who invited questions. She said
she was a medium of twenty years experience. I said, why don't you
blindfold yourself? Why is it important that you see who the message is for?
Why don't you put headphones on playing music or white noise or something so
that you can't pick up from their accent, their gender, their education,
their geographical location, and maybe attitudes or cultural aspects. And if you can't
see them, you can't hear them. But you've got a proxy person speaking
in behalf of the recipient message. You will not be accused by skeptics of
cold reading and she said, no one's ever said that to me before.
And I said, well, in twenty years of being a medium, I'm
surprised you've never had people say that. Most skeptics say mediums may have some
kind of intuitive sided functioning, but they're called and they can show you example,
those transcripts where you seem to be giving you a message but actually building
the message from the responses that you get. But I don't want to the
accused of sliding off mediums because the last time I did that upset of genuine
meed who wouldn't take time with these things. Can I tell you a couple
of things quickly about Albert Bets or Time Man. He used to do world
tours before the mediums were even famous. He was out in Australia one occasion.
I'm only going to concentrate those stories where I was there or I have
reason to be. So. The first story is we're talking about healing,
and I said miracles can't take place. He is an example of something I
regard as America young man wheeled down in a heel chair with his boy his
mother. He had hydrocephalis water in the brain, but he'd just been diagnosed
with a large brain tumor, and he was expected to be in opera,
so he was basically going to die quick than he would have wanted. So
the mother brought him up from England, brought him to Albert his little tenement
plat Harleny space to move and Albert said, okay, close his acts spoke
in Germany, stood up with his eyes closed, put his hand out in
front of the young man's forehead and touched it very lightly, and I saw
a dark globular mask come away, with his fingers get shaped, shading into
bowl of water and taken away by his assistant, and he still did eye
shut. He sat down and after maybe a minute or two, which seemed
a long time when you're waiting for someone to holding their backs, he opedous
eyes and looked and said what happened? Okay, Now you could say yeah,
but that's just to give the people impressions in a deep trance. I
kept in touch with him mother because I wanted to know what the young man's
in college just would have to say. And I contacted her roughly three weeks
later and she said, oh, he's seen his in college, just in
Britton apology, And I said an apology. Oh yeah, they reckon.
They must have mixed up his x RaSE with some other patient, because they've
just done it again. And my son doesn't have with being tumor and there's
no evidence ever. B Well, that's fantastic, And it happened in front
story, which didn't happen in one of me. But I've got reason to
believe it's true. Albert was known as a healer before he was known as
the medium, and that was the stronger aspect of his person, and he
was asked to go to a hospital to see the timing child, an infant.
So Albert's person, the story is that goes in, lifts the child
up, and he's caught and his guide, an Arab guide, said to
you, they're too late for this one, Albert, the call has already
gone out. Think about what that means. So Albert put the child back
in the court, looked at the faces of the family the pull of expectancy,
and knew that he was going to have to disappoint them, and he
was overcome with emotion so didn't really see anything and walked out to have a
cigarette and grins. You were still allowed to do that, And suddenly there
was a shout where's mister Best? But is he? And Albert was brought
in and ran along the corridor and came into the room, scooped the child
up, and the child took one breath and die. And Albert turned to
the family and said, how did you know when this was going to happen?
How did you know to call me? They said, we didn't.
What happened, though, was the child's baby base comed into that of a
brown based wise and the old man who spoke in a gruff voice and said,
tell mister Best to come now and quickly. So when Albert told me
a story, I thought, okay, you're an Irish man. You're full
of the the banter, the bla. You maybe added one or two little
bits, but I still basically believe that something special happened with the right He
just weren't able to save the chad. When Albert was poorly and I was
visiting him in the hospital years later, there was a young man standing,
not in spirit, but a visitor, and Albert said, Nick, you
should have a word with this guy when you're leaving. And I said why,
Albert, And you said, because I know how skeptical you are.
And he'll be able to tell you about a story that I've told you that
I think you didn't. You struggled to believe. And so I stepped outside
at the end of the visiting times and said, to the young man is
Albert talking about? He said, did he tell you about a child whose
face changed to that of an old man and then their child died? And
I went, yeah, yeah, And Albert told me that story. He
said, well, I know it to be true because he was my brother
and I was standing in the watching h These are fantastic m and and al
But of course it's had the Odd book and an article in the Bell and
so there are dozens hundreds of stories out there. And I don't want to
focus too much. And Albert just now, but there's another program there for
people were interested in feeling and mediumship. I saw him say to four people
you're here because someone drowning, and they all know him. He said,
yeah, well I'm here to tell you they didn't. The girls went,
oh, no, he drowned. But Benny, he went humbled. He
said, And if you wait behind after meet and I'll tell you they wondered
them. It's afinitely fascinating. So I hung about, saw Albert talking to
him, and then I think I drove Albert home that night and I said
to him head of the conversation though, he said, I gave him the
person's name and they said he was his walking companion that day, so really
really strange stuff. Albert once said to me, I don't like giving messages
like that because of Glasgow gangsters knew that I could name them so easily.
And Albert gave me messages from my I had two children that died almost as
they were being born, and years later he said, we've gone up and
the spirit one. I really excited because the first time to be able to
talk about daddy. But if you don't mind, I'm not focus on that
story too much because it might be upsetting for people in my family. Mm
hmm. Yeah. I've got lots of examples I can give you of paranormal
events that I believe have happened, or evidence that have happened, as opposed
to things that somebody's just made up. I think maybe would you like to
come back on another occasion and we'll go into it again. Maybe, Yeah,
maybe the other aspects as well, you know, Yeah, we've got
it's been always been fantastic talking to you. I mean, let's talking distance
you will know actually, but it's gone so quickly, it's more arising now.
It's been fantastic. Even you own anick and would you please come back
on again at some point. Yeah, yeah, everything from the looking at
it from your listener's point of view that you might want to hear about.
Other things that I can I can talk about that are also partly normal.
Yeah, I hope we can do it again at some point. Thank you
so much for coming on, and hope twenty twenty four is good to you.
Well, same to you, David. It's easy to talk and you've
got a good listen. I say, I can listen to you all.
No, it's been brilliant. Or say good art to you. No,
I'll let you go, let you go to a drink. Thank you so
much for coming on. Good luck to you, Thank you say next time,
cheers, Thank you, Bobbo, Thank you so much. Nick.
That was absolutely fantastic, and yes we shall do this again. As I'm
often saying, I know there's an awful lot more. You didn't get a
charge to cover, but the Moor show amazing. Thank you so much,
okay. The next show it is in number one in January and that's on
January twenty second, and it's a young lady named Nicki Scolden. She is
one of the organizers of the Unexplained, which last year was absolutely fantastic and
I'm so looking forward to this year is one in September. So that's Nicky
scoldon January twenty second, and that's some Monday of course. Anyway, as
always, if you'd like to get in touch with me, my email address
is David Young two q in at your who dot co dot uk. That's
David Young two q in at your who dot co dot uk. So until
the next time, let's January the twenty second with Nicki Scolon. That's a
Monday. I'll speak to you then. Take care everyone, bo boy,
thank you for listening. Ladies and gentlemen. I can not too strongly stressed
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