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The following present is Del Marvis Studios
Production. Welcome back to truth seekers from

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around the world. It's time for
another edition of the flat Earth Files.

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I hope this podcast find you well
and everybody's having a great week. We

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have a guest standing by. Cameron
will be joining us in just a moment.

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Before we get started, just a
couple of quick reminders. Number one,

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The flat earth Files at gmail dot
com. So let's kick off today's episode

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again. Joining us is Cameron.
Cameron, how are you doing today,

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sir good? How are you,
George Good? It's great to meet you.

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We had a nice conversation prior,
and you know, Cameron's one of

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the younger truthers and again we've had
a bunch of folks seemingly thirty two,

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and I emails from people seventeen eighteen
all the time, So it's great to

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see, you know, the younger
generation. While as much as they get

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piled up on, there's a lot
of folks out there who are like yourself.

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Yeah. Absolutely, praise God for
that. Man. Amen, And

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why don't you tell folks a little
bit about yourself? Well, of course,

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my name is Cameron, and man, I wish I did a lot

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of stuff, but I'm kind of
boring. I really just work and I

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work out, and hopefully soon I'm
gonna work towards getting a certification for personal

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training. So that should be fun. Oh that's awesome. That's good physically

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fit and spiritually for the right.
Yeah. Amen, Yeah, I need

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to work harder on both actually,
but I need a little work as you

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get older. I used to be
in fit just a couple of years ago.

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I was running five k's and all
that stuff. But you know,

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the older you get, you got
to work harder and be more mindful of

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what you eat, because your body. When you're eighteen, you can eat

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a large pizza and not notice it. It's not the case anymore when you

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get older. Yeah, exactly,
that's awesome. So why don't you tell

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folks a little bit about your your
your journey to the truth, kind of

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your upbringing. Maybe when did you
start seeing the world a little differently than

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maybe let's say that the normies with
the air quotes that how they see it.

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Okay, So really it started where
I was working at the place I'm

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working at now, and with all
the free time and downtime that I had,

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I would just listen to podcasts.
The first podcast that I listened to

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with a podcast called Theories of the
Third Kind, and it goll just kind

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of branched out from there. And
I mean I've been a Christian my entire

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life. I've just now recently been
to a point where I am serving Him

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one hundred percent. I will not
serve two masters that refuse to do that.

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So I mean they just all branched
out from there, Like I would

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listen to the Machine and that and
a whole bunch of other podcasts, and

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then I think yours came up one
day. And I mean I've always had

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an open mind because I'm a Christian, and you should have an open mind

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as a Christian. You're not going
to bring an atheist to Jesus Christ.

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If you don't have an open mind, you just can't be closed minded.

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I just don't believe in that.
It's like, I'm not saying open minded

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to like other religions and like other
gods and stuff like that, but like

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things concerning Christianity and the Bible and
everything like that. So yeah, I

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found your podcast and man, I
was like hook Line and sinker Man on

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flat Earth. So yeah, well
I appreciate that. And you had mentioned

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having an open mind and for me
being knowledgeable of the enemy and a good

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thing with me on the fact Hunter
is the symbols and the numbers and things

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like that. Yep. But again
with that being said, you even have

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to be careful when you mess around
with that stuff because the occult is very

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dark. Yes, absolutely, and
you don't want to let Saytan get a

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foothold over you at all. What
was the first kind of a rabbit hole

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that you kind of fell into.
I would probably say nine to eleven like

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every other person, but yeah,
nine to eleven definitely. What were some

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of the anomalies that grab your attention? The fact that I mean it sounds

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easy and everybody says it, but
the fact that jet fuel cannot melt steal

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them. This doesn't make sense scientifically, it doesn't. And you know what

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people say, well, it's the
same old thing. But if it disproves

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the theory, then then that should
be champion, that should be in people's

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face. The same thing with if
people believe that heliocentrism is real, then

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you have to believe that the Van
Allen belt is real. And if you

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use the heat of the Van Allen
Belt and see what temperature aluminum melts at

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and what the you know, the
rocket they used to go through that they

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would have never made it through.
Yeah, it's it's complete rubbish. It's

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just foolishness. Yeah, honestly.
And that once again, both of those

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examples are just one small example of
the thousands of fallacies within those you know

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events, So that would you know
as you come through and again you're only

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twenty one. How old were you
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probably nineteen, I'd say, so
okay for the last couple of years,

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but still being awake at nineteen is
extraordinary. What when did you kind of

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fall into flatter? I heard you
mentioned the podcast and everything, but still

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listening to a podcast and then taking
the time to realize it for yourself and

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then how did it affect your your
life and your outlook on things. Wow,

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it affected it a lot. Like
my mind is blown and it's just

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looking at it like scripturally, and
I I take the word of God literally.

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Other I know Greg Locke doesn't.
He thinks it's a metaphor and everything

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like that. But I take it
literally. So that's all I have to

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say. I mean, Isaiah forty
twenty two. I mean it says that

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God sits above the circle of the
earth, and I take that literally.

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I do too. I do too. And when you realize it, then

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you realize God is not in some
other dimension. He's right above us,

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you know, looking down upon Yep, for sure. But you would mention

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something I want to jump into very
interesting because today I had gotten an email

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that the person was saying, do
you think that the stars are actually windows

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into the firmament? And you had
something kind of similar. I'd like you

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to share that with the audience.
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scriptures, I believe that the stars
are actually angels. So if we go

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to Revelation nine one to two in
your Bible, I'm gonna read it word

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for word, and if anybody wants
to follow along, said that revelation one

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two nine one, okay, thank
you, yes, yeah, prompt And

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this is going to be word for
word. And it says in uh one,

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it says, and the fifth Angel
sounded, and I saw a star

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fall from heaven unto the earth,
and to him was given the key of

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the bottomless Pit. And then in
verse two it says, and he opened

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the bottomless pit, and there arose
the smoke out of the pit as the

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smoke of a great furnace, and
the sun and the air were darkened by

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reason of the smoke of the pit. Hmmm. That's interesting because it says,

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yeah, when referring to the star, he said to him right,

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yes, yeah, it says him. And he so it's it's like possessive

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against the angel of the bottomless pit. So are falling stars falling angels?

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That's a good question. I mean, it just hit me right now just

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thinking about it. I mean,
it's it's a possibility, and my mind

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is open to anything, you know
like that. But and I have it

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written down, I said, I
put Genesis one fourteen, of course,

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and God said let there be lights
in the firmament of the heaven, to

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divide the day from the night,
and let them be for signs and for

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seasons and for days and years.
And if you go to Matthew twenty four

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to twenty nine, it says,
immediately after the tribulation of those days,

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shall the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light,

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and the stars shall fall from heaven. So I believe that the stars are

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angels, and that it's all just
the signs of the end times, like

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the revelation of Jesus Christ. You
know, that's that's very interesting. Obviously

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in fla Earth or biblical cosmology,
however you want to swing it, we

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focused heavily on the Sun, and
we focus heavily on the moon and things

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of that nature. But maybe it's
constellations, but maybe the stars are something

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that we should focus on more.
Now. I have a listener here right

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here in Delaware who has a P
one thousand and takes videos of the stars,

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and they are definitely just like the
planets, nothing like what NASA tells

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us and the government tells us.
Oh yeah, absolutely everything they spew out

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of our mouth is bull crap.
Of course, It's very interesting though,

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because when you look at it,
it does look like almost that it's in

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the water, the way it kind
of shimers. Have you noticed that?

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Yeah, yeah, I didn't notice
that. I've seen the videos on TikTok

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too. Yeah, there you go. And I wanted to be clear.

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Kyle is his name. He emailed
me just yesterday says, as far as

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the stars, have you ever wondered
were heard that maybe they are the windows

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of heaven that were opened up during
the flood. To me, they look

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like light in the water. So
if they are windows in the firmament,

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that could be the light of heaven
or in God's glory shining through the windows

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of the firmament. I mean with
that, it's definitely a possibility. But

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I believe when you read Genesis around
when the flood happens, I think it

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says after the flood that the windows
were closed. So I think it could

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be a possibility. Like I said, my mind is open to it,

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but I believe that those windows were
closed after the flood. Yeah, that's

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a great point too as well.
And again, by the way that song

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Anne Murray, I'll have to look
at the lyrics to see against stars are

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the windows of heaven back in seventy
seven and seventy eight, And of course

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we know they have always used Hollywood
and entertainment to disclose the truth, right,

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Yeah, absolutely sure, that's very
interesting. But that's a very very

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interesting take that that these angels,
that the stars represent the angels. Yeah,

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can I read one more versus?
Yes? Okay, all right,

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So this is it's also in Revelation
nine. If you go down to verse

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eleven, it says, and they
had a king over them, which is

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the Angel of the bottomless pit.
And in his his name in Hebrew is

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a Baden and a Poleon in Greek. So I mean it kind of seems

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like the star that fell to earth
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It seems like, based off of
the verses in Revelation nine, that

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it's saying that he is the Angel
of the bottomless pit. The star is

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the angel of the bottomless pit.
Yeah, and that's I guess a Baden

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or which again a Polyon. That's
not such a far reached from Apollo either,

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right, Yeah, no, it's
not. And it's all so interesting.

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You just said that was chapter nine, verse eleven. Yeah, yeah,

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I didn't even realize that nine to
eleven. There you go, Yeah,

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there you go. And they had
a king over them, which is

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the Angel of the Bottomless Pit,
the Angel of the Bottomless Pit. M

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that's very interesting that there was something
else I had in your email that I

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wanted to mention to you, but
while we're at it, because it is

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such still a very hot topic,
and I wanted to address it earlier in

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the podcast before we get too deep
on things. You did say that you

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watched the debate from last Saturday night. What were your thoughts and what you

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what did you take away from that? Oh man? And I just feel

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like and I love Patser Greg Locke, and he brought some good points.

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I think I tried to go into
the debate as biased as I can.

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He had some good part some good
points, like his interpretation of I Believe

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It's Job thirty eight thirteen with the
clay under the seal, Like the way

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he said it kind of seems like
it's talking about how the sunlight exposes like

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the cracks and everything in the earth. But he's just very It just seemed

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like he was very prideful during the
whole debate and even before Pastor den Odle's

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presentation, he said that he wouldn't
even look into this foolishness anymore. So,

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I mean he already made up his
mind exactly. So why even invite

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another pastor into your church, and
yes, knowing that his congregation was going

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to follow him to this type of
event, Why would you even set up

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something that, if you knew,
was going to be divisive and it backfired

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on him? Really, because Yeah, I've seen so many interviews with people

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who came out of there that said, I had never even heard of this

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past or Odal guy before, but
I'm really intrigued and I'm going to,

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you know, start following his work
now. Yeah, I saw all the

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comments too. It was it was
great to see so many like biblical flat

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earthers in there, and so many
people were trying to like see like the

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biblical standpoint, not so much of
the science, which I love to see.

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I love to see so many people
love the Lord and want to see

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it biblically and scripturally. So it
was a good thing. So it was

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awesome indeed. And on that note, I think you had emailed me and

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mentioned that you're on your worship team
at your church. And you noticed that

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one of the songs they were singing
is something that you do as well,

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but there are certain parts that you
don't sing. Yes, So the song

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is they were singing was worthy of
it all. And it's a song by

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David Brimer. And one thing and
one of the verses they sing day and

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night, night and day let incense
arise. And I kind of gotten odd

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feeling from that one. I heard
that. It's because I know, with

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my my praise and worship team,
when we sing this exact song, we

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say day and night, night and
day, let our praise arise because we're

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not supposed to burn incense anymore,
you know what I mean, because we

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have Jesus Christ, right, And
I think I mentioned to you in a

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reply that incense is kind of a
pretty new agy thing, right, Yeah,

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it is, Yeah, absolutely for
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that very interesting. And again,
the ending of that thing just seems so

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surreal to me. And we've gotten
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they verified things like number one,
Pastor Otel's microphone was so much lower than

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Pastor Locks and then one Pastor Locke
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up to do his hour and forty
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so the people the back couldn't hear
anything. Again with these coincidences or was

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there something more nefarious behind it,
I don't know, but it could have

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been a great event where people came
together and celebrated, you know, Jesus

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and could have had a good discussion
and shake hands. And because listen,

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we all you can leave. You
can send out a verse to one hundred

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people and you'll get fifty different ideals
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this mean to you to just you
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to your church and things that this
nature is just something that you go on

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to talk about. Right you say
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the same problem here because you had
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church I think in your area that
the congregations are much much older, right,

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congregation. I want to see it
pouring out of the Holy Spirit like never

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seen before, because it just makes
me sad, it does. It's just

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all old people. And I mean, I know the Bible says that there's

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going to be a great falling away
by I just didn't think it would happen

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so soon. How do you think
we can approach that to make it change?

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Is it a leadership problem? Is
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What do you see the problem?
Number one and number two? How can

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we fix it? Is absolutely a
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preaching and there's not enough teaching of
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two Timothy three sixteen, all scripture
is given by inspiration of God and is

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profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
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that the Man of God may be
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So we need to be teaching people
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a message. We need to be
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righteousness. That is what we need
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fix it. We need to get
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to actually be teaching people. Preaching
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my meat and potatoes from my church, but we need people that teach the

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word of God to help build faith
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away like there is right now I
still have a lot more to pick on

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about the subject to talk to you
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mind, if you even brought up
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of reaction do you think you would
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man, I don't want people from
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but my pastor has already told me
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Yeah. But again this goes back
to ten minutes ago in our conversation about

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having an open mind. Yeah.
Absolutely, you have to have an open

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mind as a Christian. I believe
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conversation before, not an open mind
to other religions because the Father is a

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jealous God, sure, but an
open mind to things script and biblically,

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like you need to take like I
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Christ like seriously, or even the
proverbs or something like that. But like,

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if it's a psalm, I don't
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Lord, because a psalm is a
song. Why would you sing an exaggeration

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to the Lord. It just doesn't
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don't think David would do that at
all great points, and you would also

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mention that it's a relationship, not
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I will I will say that was
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it is a relationship. And I
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a religion. I know I'm gonna
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say this, but I'm not saying
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look at denomination, it just means
division. And when Satan back during the

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time of the Apostles, he was
killing so many Christians and Christianity was just

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flourishing and spreading like nothing he had
ever seen before. So instead of killing

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the Christians, he infiltrated the church
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these divisions in the body of Christ. When we need to be on one

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accord about things, we cannot be
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to be there for each other,
we need to pray and just help each

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other in these times. Indeed,
and the word denomination. It's interesting because

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it is you know, it talks
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it's also it deals with money,
which is kind of interesting. Yeah.

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Absolutely, this language that is real
interesting. So, yeah, what is

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your ideal of the perfect church or
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it's exactly that, an assembly you're
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with the last episode what John was
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in your house. That way you
actually get to know each other and pray

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for each other and like read together
and do Bible studies. Because once you

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start getting over like a couple hundred
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and it's not really like, what's
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Really, it's not really a church. That's a good point. When I

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was in the military, we used
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lower enlisted soldier take the helms and
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power, and they kind of got

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to see what it was like to
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on their collar, you know what
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ways, it was very successful to
understand where, you know, a person

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of responsibility comes from. And I
always thought it would be interesting if pastors

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would kind of rotate, even if
it's on a monthly basis, just people

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in the congregation to lead, because
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vigor instead of sitting back and listening
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ways you could be you know,
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on and off every week. One
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the congregation and they actually preach up
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that's great, that's good. That's
it. And are you in what

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type? Are you in a non
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Non denominational? Good? And even
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because if you're calling your church a
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So you got to watch out for
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right, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's a great point. That's

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a great point getting getting back to
flat earth. When you realized it,

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was it through the podcast or was
it other venue where you kind of fell

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into the flatter It was your podcast, And I mean biblically too, because

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I look at the Word of God
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it literally. So what were the
kind of the silver bullets biblically and then

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the silver bullets if you want to
call it scientifically or whatever you want to

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call it, that made you realize
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Okay, so of course I'm going
to probably sound like every other person,

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but I mean it's Isaiah forty twenty
two and Isaiah twenty two to eighteen.

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You want me to read it?
Yeah, please do, okay.

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Isaiah forty twenty two. It is
he that sitteth upon the circle of the

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earth, and the inhabitants thereof are
as grasshoppers that stretcheth out the heavens as

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a curtain and spreads them out as
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when they say circle in that it's
couge in the Hebrew, which means a

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circle or like a compass. That's
right, spot on. And then and

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then in Isaiah twenty two eighteen it
says, actually, I just like pretty

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much got like the first sentence of
it. So it says he will surely

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violently turn and toss the like a
ball into a large country. And the

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ball in that is uh. I
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the definition is I mean passer Locke
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it is a circle, but it's
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is. The ball is not a
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it turns in a circle. Exactly, well done. And then I have,

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of course Joshua ten thirteen, and
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stayed until the people had to vent
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that scientifically, gravity is the force
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spinning. And I believe that God
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from moving right and gravity didn't work, yes, exactly, Yeah, we

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would have all floated off in the
space and suffocated the death in what they

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call is space, I guess,
right, right, right, So yeah,

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so that's the three biblical and then
man have two for let me go

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to my notes on my phone real
quick. On seconds. I have a

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lot of notes, so I would
say, I mean, again, it's

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cheesy. It's like everybody else.
It's the planes don't need to lower their

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nose every couple of minutes. The
sea level, and I mean, this

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is gonna what were you gonna say, sorry, no they say sea level.

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yeah, not sea So and then
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tie in biblically. But like I
think about this, I put the whole

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world believes it, and as a
Christian, I'm going to go against the

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grain. So I don't even care
what people believe in as a globe because

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literally the whole world supports it and
believes in it. So I'm going to

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go against the grain as a Christian, and I'm not going to believe at

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the ball right. And again,
for me, it had to be in

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that order of conspiracies or rabbit holes, because there is no way that flat

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Earth I believe that could ever been
my first rabbit hole. But you know,

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at that point in my life,
I'd realized that the government was lying.

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about everything, and then when I

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looked into it, I was like, oh wait. And when I say

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the government, I mean you know, the controllers, the people who about

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to Satan, right, the people
who do is dirty work. Everything is

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everything is a lie, or at
least is perverted or you know what I

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mean. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Satan's at the top of the pyramid,

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and then everything else is pretty much
at the bottom. Yeah, one

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hundred percent. It works its way
down and again. To get to the

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top of the food chain, you
got to be part of the club.

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Most of everything, from entertainment to
music to sports, none of it's organic.

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It's all predetermined, and it's meant
to detractice from the important things in

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life. Right, how people will
spend an entire Sunday getting their face paint

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on, driving to the stadium,
cooking out. If they could just get

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that passionate about their country, their
freedom, and their and their you know,

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following Christ and God, we'd have
a much better world. But we

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all know that's not the case.
Yeah, absolutely, It's it's like you

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say, it's all bread and circus. It's all meant to take you away

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from the way the truth and the
life that is Jesus Christ. Yep,

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that's all it is. Yeah,
and again we all need our diversions from

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life. Right, it's good to
get out and have a rabbit hole.

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But at the same time, if
it becomes if you could become consumed with

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it, and it just can be
very detrimental for your personal being and your

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soul. And really, you know, when when you get older, you

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want to say, what did I
do to make a difference in the world

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other than just you know, cheering
on a team when at the end of

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the day when they win, you
don't get a ring, you don't get

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you know, you can't get all
that stuff. But again it's you know,

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I enjoy sports, not as much
as I used to, but it's

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nice to have diversions. And I
don't beat the old, you know,

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grumpy guy like Clint Eastwood on the
porch, these dang kids. But it's

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important that we focus and put things
into perspective and understand that every day that

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we allow things to slip, these
things add up. And here we are

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at the end of twenty twenty three, and you look around you and you

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see how we allowed twenty twenty to
happen, and there was never accountability for

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these things like Oklahoma City JFK,
the lie, the obvious one hundred percent

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lives of the moon landing. But
if you don't claim your six hundred dollars

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Venmo transaction on your taxes, that
are going to come after you. Yeah,

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absolutely, it makes no sense.
It's all just a hypocritical system,

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that's all it is to trip us
up. Absolutely, And what other notes

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did you have? What are the
things that you wanted to discuss tonight?

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I mean I have a couple verses
that about the planets and stuff like that.

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I believe in my heart that the
planets are absolutely idols. I mean

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you look at their names. I
mean in itself, they're name after Roman

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gods, Saturn and Saturn Alia,
right, that's one of them. Yeah,

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exactly, in Jupiter, Roman God, Pluto, Roman God. I

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mean, so on and so forth. You get in Mars and all that

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kinds of stuff. And I mean
you have kids that have it the Solar

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system and the planets that are plastered
on their walls, you have it in

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posters and classrooms, and it's just
like almost giving power to those those entities

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that have those names and it's idolatry. That's such a good take. Could

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you read those verses that you had
regarding them? Yes, absolutely, let

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me go. So we have this
just mentioned. This is the only place

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in the Bible that mentions the word
planets. So we have Second Kings twenty

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three to five, and I'm going
to read it, read the whole thing,

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and it says, and he put
down the idolatrous priests whom the Kings

410
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:19.000
of Judah had or ordained to burn
incense in the high places, in the

411
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.519
cities of Judah and in the places
round about Jerusalem. I'm also that burnt

412
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:29.720
incense onto ball, to the Sun
and to the Moon, into the planets,

413
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:34.599
into all the hosts of heavens.
And I think back then and when

414
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.400
David was king, I think they
were known as wandering stars. Correct,

415
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:43.240
correct, Yes, yeah, so
they I mean, and if when you

416
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.759
go to the Hebrew for planets,
I'm probably going to butcher this, but

417
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:55.160
I think it's pronounced mads the law
and it means consolation or zodiacal signs.

418
00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:02.759
So you have that, and let
me see here. And then Acts fourteen

419
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:09.440
thirteen talks about the priest of Jupiter. So thirteen says, then the priest

420
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:14.400
of Jupiter, which was before the
city, brought Oxen and garlands unto the

421
00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:20.519
gates and would have done sacrifices with
the people. And then actually in my

422
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:30.200
notes I can read on too,
give me one second, yes, fourteen,

423
00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:45.319
twelve, there we go, and
then thirteen or in twelve it says,

424
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:50.799
or sorry in verse fourteen, sorry
it says, which when the apostles

425
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.119
Barnabas and Paul heard of they rent
their clothes and ran in among the people,

426
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:59.640
crying out verse fifteen and saying,
sirs, why do ye eat these

427
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.759
things? We also are men of
like passions with you, and preach unto

428
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:07.880
you that you should turn from these
vanities unto the living God, which made

429
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.039
heaven and earth and the sea and
all the things that are therein So,

430
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:19.519
I mean, the planets are idols, that's all they are. And that's

431
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:24.719
my belief. That is interesting.
So you think they're actually like evil entities,

432
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:30.760
like you believe the stars are angels, and do these planets I don't

433
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:35.039
know really how to phrase it,
Like, are you saying the planets are

434
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:40.599
like fallen angels? I guess as
false gods those types of things. Yeah,

435
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.239
that's interesting. Yeah, because most
of them. Go ahead, go

436
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.880
ahead, sorry, go ahead,
no, no, you go ahead,

437
00:34:49.159 --> 00:34:53.199
Okay. I was gonna say,
I believe that the gods of old existed,

438
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.599
you know what I mean, but
not not capital g like God the

439
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.079
Father, right, I mean,
they're they're fallen angels, just like the

440
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:07.800
Greek gods with Zeus and Hera and
all them, and even the Phoenician god,

441
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:13.480
which a ball. So I mean
they all existed, but you should

442
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:19.280
have just belief and faith in Jesus
Christ alone. And it's interesting that you

443
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:27.880
mentioned that because this almost lends credence
to the people who think that the Roman

444
00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:32.960
Catholic Church is behind much of what
we do, because you know, Venus

445
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:37.719
and Mars, uh, these were
all, like you said, they were

446
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:42.679
Roman gods. Yes, yeah,
absolutely, and like Mars, I think

447
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:49.360
he was like the agriculture or garden
and all this stuff, so you know,

448
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:52.480
and of course he was the son
of Jupiter, so there's you know

449
00:35:52.760 --> 00:36:00.320
that as well. That's really interesting. So do you think uh hmm,

450
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.559
see, this opens like a whole
new door of things I got to think

451
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:07.239
about. I'm gonna yeah, it's
a whole rabbit hole. Yeah, So,

452
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:14.480
like do these planets hold power like
Satan does. Are these I mean,

453
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.480
this is when I get into the
things like what actually are they?

454
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.239
What kind of entities are they?
I mean, it's definitely possible. I

455
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.760
mean you go back to uh one
of the Genesis six with the sons of

456
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:29.599
God. I mean they could be
just those entities as well a part of

457
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:34.320
the like and those type of things
and on Mount Herman, like the Nephilim

458
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.679
and et cetera. Yeah, basically
that's interesting. That's something that I'm gonna

459
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.239
have to really really really take a
deep dive into because it is interesting.

460
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.679
Like you said, all the planets
are of Roman gods, right, named

461
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:52.519
after room and gods, and everybody
oohs and ohs about them, right,

462
00:36:52.639 --> 00:36:55.440
And like you said, when we're
children, they hang they hang up the

463
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.039
little planetary systems above our cribs and
in our room, and they saw the

464
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.400
cool little the lights that you turn
on at night and it shows them on

465
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.159
the your ceiling at night for you
to I had one of those. Yeah.

466
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:14.920
Yeah, well, and again it
goes to everything. Everything they normalize,

467
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.280
a lot of it is paganized.
Yeah, absolutely, even can we

468
00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.000
get on the topic of Christmas a
little bit too, go right ahead,

469
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:30.400
because I mean it's it is December, just the season. Yeah, so

470
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:37.239
I believe Christmas is a pagan holiday
basically you look into it. I mean

471
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:40.800
a lot of people know, a
lot of Christians know that December twenty fifth

472
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.599
is not Jesus's birthday. He was
not born on that day, and I

473
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.800
don't see a point in celebrating it
if it's not his birthday, Like that

474
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.320
doesn't make any sense to me.
And then you look through the Bible and

475
00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:59.599
everything that Jesus preached and talked about, and he never said to to celebrate

476
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.400
his birth. And I mean,
as a Christian, I celebrate Jesus Christ

477
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:08.119
every single day, right, And
yeah, I know we've mentioned this hundred

478
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:13.559
times before, but most scholars think
he was born on September eleventh and he

479
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:16.760
died April third. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm starting to think that

480
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.559
too. And you know April third
is the ninety third day of the year,

481
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.159
hence the ninety three million miles away
from the sun, right yep,

482
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:30.000
yeah, yeah, exactly. That's
very interesting, do you think it was?

483
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:34.840
It goes back to Constantine and the
first Council of Nicea, where it

484
00:38:34.960 --> 00:38:37.840
was you know, he wanted to
please the Christians and the Pagans and kind

485
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:45.800
of brought everything together. Yeah.
Absolutely, And I'll follow up with this

486
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:53.440
question, do you think all holidays
are paganized? Man, that's a good

487
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:59.119
question, quoting like the fourth of
July, like Easter. Yeah right,

488
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:04.079
well yeah, yeah, like Easter. Yeah absolutely, it's I think it's

489
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:08.960
named after the the god Eoaster I
believe, which is the goddess of fertility.

490
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.599
And I can't remember what religion or
pantheon it's a part of, but

491
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.920
yeah, yeah, it's pagan Yeah. And I think Ishtar had something to

492
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.719
do with it as well, and
I think again absolutely, Yeah, interesting

493
00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:29.360
stuff. And again these are the
type of the things that you like to

494
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:34.599
have a conversation about when you talk
about cosmology the origins of our holidays.

495
00:39:35.199 --> 00:39:39.079
But again, they can be very
divisive, and we saw that last Saturday

496
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:45.000
night. Oh yeah, definitely.
So you've really I just go ahead,

497
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:47.719
Oh go ahead. I'm just going
to say, you really just got to

498
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.920
pick and choose, because again,
people will say that it's not a salvation

499
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.440
issue, but I had somebody made
a great point, it may not be

500
00:39:55.519 --> 00:40:04.679
a salvation salvation issue, say that
five fast for someone who doesn't know God.

501
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.559
Yeah, you understand what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,

502
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:16.159
it will lead somebody in the complete
other direction. I mean because at this

503
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:22.039
place is billions of years old and
I'm just here in a spec of a

504
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.199
timeline. It really goes to show
how insignificant I really am. If you

505
00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:30.559
believe, you know, the big
Bank theory, have a little bit nonsense.

506
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:37.440
Yeah, all of it adopted by
Catholics too. I mean, yeah,

507
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:38.880
i'd say no surprise there, but
I don't. I don't want to

508
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.920
offend any Catholics like I love I
love my fellow Catholics. I mean,

509
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.159
if they truly have faith and belief
in Jesus Christ, that he died and

510
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.360
that he rose again on the third
day, I mean, they'll make it

511
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.159
to heaven. So I mean,
God bless you. But it's it's a

512
00:40:53.320 --> 00:41:00.840
very deceiving religion, it is.
And some things that I again I'm not

513
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.480
If you believe in Jesus Christ out
on the cross for your sins and you

514
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.559
accept them into your heart, that's
awesome. But with it there's a bit,

515
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:14.280
a little bit of idolatry within the
Roman Catholic Church and absolutely having to

516
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:17.199
use a human vessel to confess your
sins was always something I never understood.

517
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:22.920
Yeah, me either, and my
friend at work, so shout out to

518
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:29.679
Fred if he's listening to this one. Yeah, he was listening to a

519
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:35.079
podcast. And I guess the Catholics
believe that if you don't confess to the

520
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.400
fathers and like that confessional booth,
that you die and you go to Hell.

521
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:43.000
So, I mean, it doesn't
make any sense. And we know

522
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.679
in the Bible it says that there
is one father and that is the Father

523
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:51.840
in Heaven. So it's all just
idolatry, and it's meant to take away

524
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:55.239
from God, the Father Jesus Christ. And you see with Catholicism, it's

525
00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.119
almost like they're pushing out the Holy
Spirit aspect of it, and it's really

526
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:06.719
just God, the Father, Jesus
Christ, the Mother Mary because they're praying

527
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:13.400
to marry. Yeah, and and
that I guess we'll bring up The next

528
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:17.239
one is, which is you have
to be careful when you bring things that

529
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.039
are not in the Bible, and
that's purgatory. And nowhere in the Bible,

530
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:28.079
not in the Catholic Bible or the
Protestant Bible, is the existence of

531
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:34.599
purgatory ever mentioned. Yep, amen, And I mean in Revelations it says

532
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.679
that people will have their day in
the lake of fire for taking or adding

533
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:43.639
to the to the book. So
I mean it's sad to say that they'll

534
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:45.360
have their day, but I mean
they'll have their day in the lake of

535
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:52.519
fire. Unfortunately. Yeah, there's
the elevator only goes up and down.

536
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.280
There's no sideways. Yes, absolutely, you can't. You can't be in

537
00:42:55.320 --> 00:43:00.519
between. You cannot serve two masters. You're either one hundred percent Jesus Christ

538
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:07.159
or you're told and you you worship
Satan like Jesus says, you cannot serve

539
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:12.239
two masters. You cannot serve both
God and Mammon. You have to choose

540
00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:17.079
one or you will love one and
hate the other. If we as Christians

541
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:22.760
know that hell exists and is for
real, why do most of us fall

542
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:28.639
so short of being good examples of
what we should be and including myself?

543
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:36.199
Oh man, that's a good question, Like if we understand what eternity really

544
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.119
means and what are only two choices
really means, you would think that would

545
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:45.199
really keep us. You know,
the kids today, you tell them they're

546
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.719
not going to have their cell phone
for a weekend, They'll do anything to

547
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.199
fall in line. Oh yeah,
absolutely. I mean I could be like

548
00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:55.760
that too sometimes, right, But
you think we would be the same when

549
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.280
we think about eternity, right,
yeah, absolutely. I mean it all

550
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.719
comes down. You need to deny
yourself. You need to kill the flesh

551
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.599
daily, put on the whole armor
of God and just I mean, do

552
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:16.639
God's will. You have to let
the Holy Spirit work through you. That's

553
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:23.199
what they mean, That's what the
scripture means when Paul says faith without works

554
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:28.000
is dead. When you are born
again and filled with the Holy Spirit,

555
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:34.280
you need to let the Holy Spirit
work through you. You have to or

556
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.599
Jesus will cut you off the vine
and throw you into the fire. And

557
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.400
I mean that sounds harsh, but
we all have free will and we have

558
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:46.840
the decisions to choose right or wrong. And it's not God sending us to

559
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:51.800
hell. It's our own free will, our own choices that send us to

560
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.719
hell. Right on, And you
mentioned Paul, and a lot of people

561
00:44:55.760 --> 00:45:00.400
do. Why does what does Paul
get discussed in such negative influence in so

562
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.039
many ways when you hear about it
across the internet and things like that.

563
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:12.559
I didn't know. I didn't really
know people do that. Well, I

564
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:16.599
mean I can kind of see because
he's not Jesus Christ. But I mean

565
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:22.000
he's still had an encounter with Jesus
Christ. He still had a testimony.

566
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.039
So I really don't know why people
do that. Yeah, there's a lot

567
00:45:24.079 --> 00:45:30.480
of Biblical revisionists out there that really
put Paul in a negative light. Yeah,

568
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.519
that's that's not a good thing.
No, not at all. That's

569
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:37.719
really interesting. It's something that I
see a lot more recently. I just

570
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:42.760
find it very interesting. Wow,
yeah, that's not good. Have you

571
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:49.199
had some successes sharing let me we'll
talk, you know, bringing people to

572
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:53.880
God? And then also have you
had good Have you had success bringing people

573
00:45:54.000 --> 00:46:05.440
to light about biblical cosmology and flatter
Really have only had success to bringing people

574
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:08.119
to flatter earth? You know,
God's still working through me and I still

575
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.880
talk to people. It's just I
need to take that extra step and actually

576
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:20.360
help him to repentant salvation. But
I got the guy Fred from work.

577
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:23.639
I got him to look into it, and he's he's pretty much convinced one

578
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:29.480
hundred. Yeah, and then I
talked to another guy I worked, and

579
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:36.480
so shout out to Glenn as well. Yeah, and his wife started doing

580
00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:42.920
research before he did, and so
he's pretty much on board too. He's

581
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:46.199
pretty much convinced. Let me ask
you this, how did you approach it

582
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:53.599
with them? I'll tell you it
wasn't Brad Crumb's. I just fought out

583
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:59.159
told him I was a biblical flat
earther. That's awesome that the guy mentioned

584
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.119
the other day. He's like,
I'm not leaving breadcrumbs anymore. I'm just

585
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:06.280
giving them toast. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. That's funny.

586
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.559
Yeah, it's pretty good. I
mean, that's that's what I did.

587
00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:13.280
I'm not afraid of it. But
both of those guys are are Christians too,

588
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:20.079
so I mean when I said biblically, it's a little easier to kind

589
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:22.440
of like filter it through the Bible
for those guys, you know what I

590
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:29.760
mean. Yeah, sure, that's
great. And how yeah you basically was

591
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:34.159
there a certain way you started the
conversation or did you ask them, hey,

592
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.440
have you ever heard of flat Earth? Or how did you actually approach

593
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:45.400
the conversation giving them a whole piece
of toast basically just NonStop? That's good.

594
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:52.039
Yeah, I mean I think I
was talking about conspiracies with with my

595
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:58.760
buddy friend from Fred from work and
I told him and he was like,

596
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.519
he was like, I refuse to
believe flat Earth or something along that line.

597
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:07.440
I was like, well, I'm
a biblical flat earther and he thought

598
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:10.000
I was crazy, and I told
him just look into it, man,

599
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.760
look into the scriptures and stuff like
that, and I mean, lo and

600
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.119
behold he did it. And I
think it was like the next day or

601
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:21.239
like a week after. I mean
he he was like, oh, you

602
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:25.039
might you might be onto something.
You might be right. That's awesome.

603
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.360
And that that's really all it takes
is to get people curious enough for them

604
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.119
to look into it for themselves,
because once they do, and again,

605
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.920
this that's hoping. And this is
important to remember, folks, make sure

606
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:43.039
that you tell them if they are
going to research it, don't use Google.

607
00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.559
Ask them to try Brave or Yandex
or something that's not going to divert

608
00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:51.119
them. And then if they're going
to use YouTube to search for videos,

609
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:55.920
if you put in flat earth and
then you search by upload date, you

610
00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:00.599
will get a lot of great results. If you just put it in and

611
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:05.360
hit the search button, you're going
to get Professor Dave destroys flat Earth,

612
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.320
Dave and all you know, you
know, the high priests stuff. You're

613
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:14.880
going to get all the YouTube's c
Off Nail, the grass Tyson videos,

614
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:21.280
those type of things. Yeah,
so it is important Otherwise they will go

615
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.840
to Google put it in and they'll
see that the ridiculous stuff, maybe even

616
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:29.239
the flatter of society goodness gracious.
Then they'll see we're on a disc that's

617
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:31.480
flying up in the air, and
that'll be that. So it is important

618
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.599
that if you are going to give
them brig crumbs, make make sure you

619
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:39.639
give them a few nuggets like that
so they don't once again, because everything

620
00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:45.079
it's an information war and they are
very very good at what they do in

621
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.039
their deceit. Yeah. Absolutely,
yep, they're very good at deceiving because

622
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.239
I mean, at the end of
the day, that's all Satan does.

623
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.519
He is the great deceiver. I
mean he beguiled Eve in the Garden of

624
00:49:54.679 --> 00:50:00.599
Eden. So yes, indeed,
well we learned a lot today. Stars

625
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.679
are angels and then maybe they're falling
angels, right, and I put them

626
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.880
together in the planets, which you
know, obviously we knew that there were

627
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:12.679
Roman gods and that's why when you
look at NASA, there's a reason why

628
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:20.880
their their missions were called Artemis and
Apollo and Gemini. Yeah, it's all

629
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:28.320
idolatry. Yeah, they're showing you
what what gods that they worship pretty much.

630
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:32.239
And I've been trying to figure out
what it is with the X with

631
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:38.519
what's the clown who owns Twitter?
Now Elon Musk because he has space X,

632
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:43.639
right and then Twitter is now X
So is there something nefarious with that

633
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.960
X? I wouldn't be surprised.
Maybe it's the Mark or something like that,

634
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.599
but who thought, because we know
he's they're trying to make him the

635
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:54.119
good guy for the right and but
at the end of the day, what's

636
00:50:54.159 --> 00:51:00.000
what's his endgame? Transhumanism? Right? Yeah, absolutely with the neuralink Yeah

637
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:06.199
yeah, not good. Yeah,
so beware of good again if they want

638
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:07.880
to give If you want a hero, they will provide you with one.

639
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:13.599
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. The
chance of actual a good guy getting to

640
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.840
the top of the food chain is
slim and none. And slim just left

641
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:22.760
town. Yeah for sure. I
mean you see that even with Donald Trump.

642
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.119
Yeah, oh, I mean he's
one hundred percent of sigh up as

643
00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:30.039
well, at least now he is
four but he is now he folded me,

644
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:37.239
Yeah, me too. I voted
for him in twenty twenty. I

645
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:43.840
wasn't awake to the fact completely that
it's an election, or that it's a

646
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.840
selection and not in an election.
Yep. And it's sad to see that

647
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:54.440
there's a lot of Christians who believe
that there the elected official that they vote

648
00:51:54.440 --> 00:52:00.480
for they actually voted for. It's
so sad. Yeah. I always encourage

649
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:05.480
everybody to get involved with local things. You can control the people who can

650
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:08.920
be held accountable for. But everything
at the federal level is so far gone.

651
00:52:09.320 --> 00:52:13.559
Yeah. Absolutely, it's all corrupted
by Satan because I mean, he

652
00:52:13.639 --> 00:52:20.840
got blackmail on everybody. These are
certainly interesting times that we're living in.

653
00:52:20.960 --> 00:52:25.239
If you had to guess what twenty
twenty four was going to bring, what

654
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:36.559
do you see happening next year?
Man? I see, I see Donald

655
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:42.079
Trump winning the election, and really
I see, yes, I see a

656
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:45.360
couple couple of years of peace,
like in the Bible, how it says

657
00:52:45.199 --> 00:52:51.599
like the Antichrist will say like peace
and prosperity or something along the lines of

658
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:55.199
paraphrasing. And then I think crap
is going to hit the flan the fan

659
00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:01.760
after that. That's interesting. I
think you might be right they're setting him

660
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.760
up. I think they made things
just like in twenty sixteen, right,

661
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.559
like Hillary was the worst person in
the world, and we're all we're like,

662
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:10.239
we got to stop her, right, and then he won and we

663
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:15.679
were all besides ourselfs And they're doing
the same thing again. They got a

664
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:22.000
guy who doesn't know if it's Sunday
or Wednesday, who is supposedly the most

665
00:53:22.000 --> 00:53:25.559
powerful man in the free world.
You can't even complete a sentence. So

666
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:29.280
I think this point, we're at
the mockery stage, right. They're just

667
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:31.360
mocking us, saying we can do
whatever we want. Look what we're doing

668
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:37.320
here. Yeah, it's just a
mockery ritual for our country. Yeah,

669
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:43.280
for sure, it'll be interesting to
see if they go that route with just

670
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.719
you know, because they certainly have
laundered a lot of money through Ukraine.

671
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:52.199
There's been a lot of sigh ups
over the last few years, for sure,

672
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:57.719
hundred percent with the flu and co
you know, the flu rebranded as

673
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.880
I call it, COVID and everything
else. People just need to be like

674
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:06.239
you said, like we said at
the very beginning of the podcast, being

675
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.159
both physically and spiritually fit. We
can all do better. Yep, And

676
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:19.639
at the same time helping others get
batally physically prepared. Yeah, we need

677
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.000
to have faith, love, and
charity for people. And I mean charity

678
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:30.079
is the highest among those we need
to have. It means agape in Greek,

679
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.880
which is which means much love,
Like we need to have much love

680
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.639
for these people in our country.
People think we have much love for these

681
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:44.559
other countries, but look at the
state our country is in. Thousands of

682
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:51.039
homeless people everywhere and just drugs and
crime riddled everywhere. It's disgusting, and

683
00:54:51.039 --> 00:54:57.000
they're giving all our tax money away. Yeah, it's sad. And again,

684
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:02.519
all the people of this country are
mostly good people who are willing to

685
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:07.559
help others. But I think we're
all realizing that the money that's going out

686
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:13.719
to quote quote unquote help people is
really just going in other people's pockets and

687
00:55:13.760 --> 00:55:20.320
making the powerful even more powerful and
more richer. Yeah, rich, I

688
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.719
guess I should say as Again,
Yeah, interesting times are living in I

689
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:28.800
do think twenty twenty four is going
to be one for the for the history

690
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:34.599
books. It may even overshadow twenty
twenty. I'm not sure. I think

691
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:36.840
there's there's going to be a curveball. I don't want to say it on

692
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.840
the air because I don't need the
FBI come in after me. I think

693
00:55:38.840 --> 00:55:42.679
there's going to be a big next
summer. I think there's going to be

694
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:44.719
an event with Donald Trump. I'm
just going to leave it with that.

695
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.639
But I think I know where you're
going with it, and I won't say

696
00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.079
it either. And it actually has
to do with a verse in revelations.

697
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:58.719
Yeah, yep, I can see
where it's going. Yeah, absolutely,

698
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.960
but again we'll see what There are
always five steps ahead of us, and

699
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:06.960
even if things don't go their way
like they occasionally do, certainly they have

700
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.239
plan B, C, D E
and it's in place ready to go,

701
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:14.920
right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well, that's awesome. You're very

702
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.440
knowledgeable and it's such a pleasure to
have a conversation with you. Was there

703
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:24.239
anything else that we haven't covered yet
that you wanted to chat about? Let

704
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:36.039
me look at my notes. Sure, Actually yes, I did have some

705
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:43.159
questions actually for you that. Let
me pull it up here. Okay,

706
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.679
so my friend Glenn asked, and
this is just your opinion stuff like that.

707
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.280
This question is if the Earth is
flat and the Bible gives us plenty

708
00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:57.320
of references, then why is it
not more openly talked about or taught.

709
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:06.519
It's because the system was designed that
way. Because I think it's if flat

710
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:09.079
Earth was taught in the way that
we believe it right, the four current

711
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:14.800
corners of the Earth and we have
a firmament over us and the sea is

712
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:21.760
level, yep, that would lend
credence to the fact that this was created

713
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:27.079
by someone. Okay, flat earth
is not supported by evolution in the Big

714
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.880
Bang theory, so they had see
with everything, whether it be ninety three

715
00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:38.519
million miles or the math that involves
eclipses, everything is backwards engineered through numbers

716
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:43.440
like this is the number I need
to get to, and they will backwards

717
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.519
engineer the math to get to the
answer they want. Hence the ninety three

718
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:53.599
million miles. So again, flat
earth means that this was created, that

719
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:59.119
this wasn't an accident. That there's
no such thing as space, which means

720
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.320
there can be no such thing is
NASA, which means there's no black ops

721
00:58:01.360 --> 00:58:08.360
money coming through there, there's no
trillion dollar contracts. It devastates the whether

722
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.960
you want to call it the deep
state or you know, the people who

723
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.440
work directly for Satan, it devastates
that process and it would bring so many

724
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:23.039
people that the churches would just be
flooded. And people like, let me

725
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:27.039
ask you this. You said you
were about how old were you when you

726
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:34.039
came into flat Earth? Nine?
About maybe twenty one? I mean I

727
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:38.519
started listening to the podcast a little
after it came out, so actually,

728
00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:42.199
yeah, yeah, I'm so twenty
one. Okay, So say about a

729
00:58:42.280 --> 00:58:45.639
year, how did that change your
habits? Like, did you not watch

730
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.400
movies as much? Were you going
down rabbit holes? Were you reading?

731
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:53.760
Were you learning versus say maybe watching
movies or doing other things. Absolutely,

732
00:58:53.800 --> 00:59:00.599
I was reading the Bible more and
going to these verses that people would say

733
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:06.000
on your podcast, and you know, learning the context and learning the Hebrew

734
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:10.320
or the Greek meanings and definitions of
these words. And I mean I think

735
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:14.639
it's Psalms one eighteen eight and like
God be true in every man a liar,

736
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.360
and every step of the way with
me and waking up the flyers,

737
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:22.559
he has proven to be true.
Yep. Yeah, that's powerful verse that

738
00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:24.960
eight. You know, put your
trust in the Lord, not so much

739
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:29.320
in man. And if yeah,
absolutely, if we would have paid attention

740
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:31.440
to that the last few years would
be in a much better place right now,

741
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.519
So I hope there wouldn't be any
nurses losing jobs. A yeah,

742
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.239
I know, man, it's jeez. Yeah, I'm sorry about your wife

743
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:44.239
losing her job. That's engaged.
She got a better job and pays better,

744
00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:45.840
so she was rewarded for her in
fiction. That's how I look at

745
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:52.119
it, Amen, Jehovah Yaira.
He's our provider and he works out everything

746
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:54.800
to our goods. So I mean, all his promises are yes, namen.

747
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:59.199
And I'm going to keep that attitude
to the day I die. Likewise,

748
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.760
and but to be fair, we
were in a different situation. And

749
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:06.519
again I don't bang on anybody who
chose to do what to save their job,

750
01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:10.639
because everybody's situation is different. So
I don't tisks or look down upon

751
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:15.599
people who who had to do things
differently. I want to make that clear.

752
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:22.599
Yeah, absolutely, yeah all right, And then I actually have a

753
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:28.119
couple more questions. Put questions too, Okay. So I go to the

754
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:34.000
gym pretty frequently and befriended a guy. His name is Rich and he has

755
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:37.679
a couple of questions. So one
of them is does the sun and the

756
01:00:37.679 --> 01:00:44.800
moon rotate inside the firmament? So
you know, it's the Bible says inside

757
01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:49.960
the firmament, whether it's inside the
firmament or inside of it. Like you

758
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.840
know, if you take a magnifying
glass and a flashlight or a small light

759
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.840
like that, you'd be shocked.
If you put like a snow globe over

760
01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.280
top of a map and shine a
light through it. It kind of looked,

761
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:01.599
you understand, And how the sun
is local and doesn't shine on the

762
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:05.800
whole area. So again, according
to the Bible, it is in the

763
01:01:05.800 --> 01:01:08.360
firmament. Was it inside the firmament
or within it? You know what I'm

764
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.480
saying, Like there's a barrier that
holds the water back. Is it within

765
01:01:12.559 --> 01:01:15.760
the firmament or inside of it?
It is certainly not anything that we can

766
01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:19.840
touch. It is either in the
firmament or inside of it, you know

767
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:25.159
what I mean. I think I'm
leaning more like inside the fermament, like

768
01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:30.199
kind of like between that space where
the throne of God is and where the

769
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:36.280
firmament actually is. The waters above
yep, because if you look at the

770
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:42.239
sun rides and the sun set.
I don't know if prisms work both ways,

771
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:45.280
but if you notice the sun set
and the sun rise, how the

772
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:49.719
sky kind of turns like a rainbow
into the color yep, yep, because

773
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:52.760
the colors you see in the morning
are fantastic sometimes and it could be because,

774
01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:57.679
yeah, they are, absolutely And
I think another thing is like the

775
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.000
rays coming through the clouds that the
firmament like kind of like a magnifying glass.

776
01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.679
You know, you can like physically
see that ray shining through the clouds.

777
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.280
That's right, that's right. And
again, if it was really ninety

778
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:14.079
three million miles away, it would
cover everything and the rays wouldn't come through

779
01:02:14.079 --> 01:02:17.280
the way they do. Yeah,
exactly, yeah, because if it was,

780
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:21.360
if it was a globe, they
would what comes straight down, right

781
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:23.000
straight down, but it but also
when it came through the clouds, it

782
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:28.800
would be very widespread all across,
not not just locally like you see sometimes.

783
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.920
Yeah, exactly, all right.
And his other question is do you

784
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.719
believe the ice wall is the end
of the firmament or the firmament extends beyond

785
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:42.400
the ice wall, And do you
think the ice wall is man made?

786
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.280
I don't believe the ice wall is
man made. I just think it's the

787
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:47.760
furthest part away from the sun,
and it's naturally I mean, it's the

788
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:51.880
way God created it. But it
is not man made. It is,

789
01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:59.599
but it's also the firmament probably goes
hundreds of miles past it. Like to

790
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:01.360
put an number on it, I
don't know, because we're not allowed down

791
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:06.920
there. But you know, the
ice wall is the beginning of Antarctica.

792
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.360
The further you walk in you would
eventually bump into it if you can survive

793
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:13.719
it right that trip to the end
of the firmament, because at that point

794
01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.599
you're so far away from the sun
and I can't imagine the temperatures there.

795
01:03:17.119 --> 01:03:22.480
But again, the reason why it's
off limits, the reason why we have

796
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:28.000
people there year round, is their
goal is to get to God. The

797
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:34.159
work of Nimrod in Genesis six,
Genesis eleven, I should say with the

798
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.559
Tower of Babel has never stopped.
It's never stopped. And you know,

799
01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:43.320
whether it be the thirties, the
forties or the fifties Admiral Bird, or

800
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:46.199
even with the Germans being down there
with New Schwabia, A lot of people

801
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:50.639
think the technology that they found for
the Foo fighters was something that they found

802
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:54.760
from down there. A lot of
questions remain unknown simply because everything is a

803
01:03:54.800 --> 01:04:00.440
lie, right and will never probably
never know the truth until you know,

804
01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:05.239
we we we move forward, Yeah, until we get past roth Child in

805
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:12.920
deception? I yeah, right.
And then, so, since you believe

806
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:16.239
that the ice wall is man made, do you believe that there could be

807
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:21.440
more continence beyond the ice wall?
Or no? Did you say did you

808
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:27.199
say that I believe the the ice
wall was man made? Yeah? Well,

809
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:30.119
I'm as to say, since you
don't belie, okay, man made,

810
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:34.280
do you believe that there's continence beyond
the ice wall? So that was

811
01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:39.719
something I tinkered with in my early
listenings of David Weiss. I thought that

812
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:45.039
was interesting. But again, if
you're you're basing it on the Bible,

813
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.920
to me, it sounds like that
he only made one sun in one moon.

814
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:54.119
He said, uh, let me
get to it. He said,

815
01:04:54.239 --> 01:05:00.199
uh, you know he he made
Okay, here we go fourteen. Let

816
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.280
there be lights in the firmament of
the heaven, to divide the day from

817
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:06.480
the night, and let them be
for signs and for seasons. He made

818
01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:13.519
two great lights. So he specifically
says two great lights. So in order

819
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:18.360
for there to be other, you
know, continents beyond there, how would

820
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:24.159
they be functioning? Now with that
being said, I do think there are

821
01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:29.800
other lands, because if you look
on the flat earth map between in that

822
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:33.920
Pacific Ocean region, just that huge
mass of nothingness. I do believe there

823
01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:40.400
are small continents out there that we
don't know about, and probably maybe even

824
01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:44.440
by what is the sixtieth parallel where
we're not allowed to get near. I

825
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:50.079
think it's completely could be. Yeah, I mean anything is the possibility.

826
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:54.679
I mean, like you said,
they literally lie about everything. So I

827
01:05:54.679 --> 01:06:00.320
mean I wouldn't be surprised if there
was more land, masses or continentsans in

828
01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:03.480
the Pacific or Atlantic. I mean
there's a lot of regions where it's just

829
01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:11.039
wide open ocean thousands for thousands of
miles and there's no islands. I mean,

830
01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.800
it's definitely a possibility. Yeah,
we definitely again that there's If I

831
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.440
had to wage, you bet,
I would say that there is more land

832
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:24.840
within our this right here, within
the ice walls somewhere around, but outside

833
01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:28.400
I tend not to I have reason. I don't think. I don't think

834
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:33.440
so, but that's just my opinion. Yeah, I mean I'm kind of

835
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:41.840
leaning to that way too. And
then another thing you just mentioned Genesis one

836
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:47.079
fourteen and this kind of I mean
this this, this, this verse proved

837
01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:55.320
that the sun isn't reflecting the light
of the sun at night, because when

838
01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:00.840
you go into the Hebrews for the
word light, it's it means luminary and

839
01:07:01.039 --> 01:07:10.320
luminary it produces its own light on
and Cameron, this is what frustrates me.

840
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:14.440
You can sit down with the pastor
and show them this verse where you

841
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:18.000
know, it's actually verse sixteen where
it says he made two great lights,

842
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.159
the greater light to rule the day, which is obviously the sun, and

843
01:07:21.199 --> 01:07:27.440
the lesser light to rule the night, which is obviously the moon. And

844
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.519
I think that the answer you get
most of the time as well, you

845
01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:35.440
know, it was you know,
four thousand BC. They really didn't know,

846
01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:39.119
you know. But I'm like,
how this is God's word. How

847
01:07:39.159 --> 01:07:43.719
can you trivialize it like that?
Yeah, exactly, And I mean God

848
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:49.519
told Moses how to write these these
five books, yeah, the Torah.

849
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:53.960
Yeah, yeah, he literally told
him how to do it. And God

850
01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:57.559
knows what he's talking about. So
for somebody to say that, oh,

851
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:01.400
they don't know what they're talking about, that's just compleat in utter blasphemy against

852
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:09.119
God. Like, how can you
say that he got me? Bro he

853
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:12.199
got me? But again, you've
gotta you've got to you've got to wade

854
01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:15.880
in the waters carefully because we saw
once again, I hate to keep referencing

855
01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:18.880
it, but we saw last Saturday
night how divisive it can be. It's

856
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:25.279
it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely,
And I do not agree with pastor Pastor

857
01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:29.560
Locke at all, because I remember
he's said, I believe he said that

858
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.119
the Bible is like a book of
poems and it's not meant to be taken

859
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:36.319
literally. And when you're when you
have that logic, then what's the point

860
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.520
of you going up there and preaching
that's right, you know what I mean.

861
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.600
If you're not going to take it
literally, why am I even listening

862
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.880
to you? Yeah? That was
uh, yeah, that was hard.

863
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:53.079
That's hard to watch. Yeah,
and he he is completely in utter garbage.

864
01:08:53.119 --> 01:08:57.039
I mean it was it was a
one sided debate. Honestly. Pastor

865
01:08:57.119 --> 01:09:01.560
Dean Odle came out with all this
information. I mean, I posted some

866
01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:08.880
of the screenshots that I had in
the chow on your website. It's just

867
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:14.159
it doesn't make any sense. He's
so hypocritical. They disagreed over I think

868
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:18.039
it was what job thirty eight,
thirteen or fourteen? Yeah, Yeah,

869
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:25.920
they it just doesn't make any sense. They disagreed about the interpretation, which

870
01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:31.319
I mean, I kind of lean
towards, like I said, lockside of

871
01:09:31.359 --> 01:09:35.560
what it means and that it is
talking about like the sunrise. But for

872
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:42.439
him to throw it sissy fit like
that and say that he denies Pastordine Odele

873
01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:45.720
denies the word of God, it's
so hypocritical because he just said that the

874
01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:49.680
guy or that the Bible is a
book of poems and it's meant to be

875
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:56.039
taken or not meant to be taken
literally. So it's so hypocritical. Yeah,

876
01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:59.279
his actions were those of a you
know, a child that lost an

877
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:02.039
argument. Yeah, lashes because they
you know, that's like a teenager.

878
01:10:02.119 --> 01:10:05.800
They just lash out because they have
they're they're in a corner, right and

879
01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:10.760
they know that they've been defeated.
Yeah. Absolutely, he didn't want to

880
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.399
give up that thirty grand. He's
been, in my opinion, he's been,

881
01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.680
he's been corrupted. Yeah, it's
and of course Benny n Yeah,

882
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.880
what was it, Benny Hen,
Benny Hen. Yeah, he came buddies

883
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:28.079
with him back in July, and
uh, that guy is just he's a

884
01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:32.399
false. In years prior, he
wrote a book against him yet yep,

885
01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:38.279
for sure. I mean something like
that can happen like years later, but

886
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:43.600
it just seems like he's just completely
an utterly like compromise yep. And the

887
01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:46.199
interesting I mean it's so sad to
see that though too. It is,

888
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:54.159
and especially he's got such a large
flock that follows him. That's hopefully absolutely

889
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.800
And if you're listening to this,
passer Lock, I love you, man,

890
01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:02.359
and I mean I'll support you because
you're a Christian. But you need

891
01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:08.199
to take the word of God literally
when it is meant to be literal.

892
01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:14.399
Yep, you need to, So
please please take it literally. It's not

893
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:19.199
just a book of poems and songs
and hyperboles like he says. It's not.

894
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:24.479
It's meant to be taken literally.
So please take it literally. If

895
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:30.199
you are listening to this, that
you got that right, Yeah, any

896
01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:34.039
other question, I mean for me, I was gonna say Pastor dene Odle,

897
01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:38.680
I mean, he he completely wipes
a four with him, like it

898
01:11:38.760 --> 01:11:43.319
didn't even see when Pastor Locke did
his presentation, he wasn't even preparing.

899
01:11:43.359 --> 01:11:45.319
He just had a Bible. Yeah, he was pretty taken aback by that.

900
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:50.720
His hour and forty minute demonstration.
I think he was absolutely, I

901
01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:55.560
think even he saw the light.
But again, it challenges people when they

902
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:57.840
realize that, oh my gosh,
you know everything I've been taught in my

903
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:02.399
entire life was a lie. That
that's a common response you get, yes,

904
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:08.359
and and some people they just refuse
to let their minds be changed,

905
01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.560
even if they're Christian and they they
they think they know the word of God,

906
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:19.079
but it's like something so I can't
think of the word, but you

907
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:24.880
know what I mean, Like it's
like so divisive, I guess indeed,

908
01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:32.560
I mean it was. It was
a good It was a pretty good debate

909
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.600
though, even though it was one
sided. So, I mean, well,

910
01:12:36.319 --> 01:12:44.199
books everybody will remember it, especially
when the security came out on stage

911
01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:48.319
and then that woman started waving flags
like what was that? Wasn't that the

912
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:56.359
strangest thing I've ever You've got guys
intactical rand twirling flags back there, like

913
01:12:56.479 --> 01:13:01.800
what is happening right now? Yeah? But if that's not like a spirit,

914
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.600
I don't know what it is.
Yeah, for sure, it was

915
01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:16.520
so odd. Any other questions,
let me see here, I do not

916
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:21.960
believe, so all right, how
did I do think that's fantastic. I

917
01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:27.840
mean, praise God that I was
even able to get on the show,

918
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:30.039
you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean this is awesome. I

919
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:33.079
mean, like I said, it's
confirmation because I prayed about it, and

920
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:38.600
I feel like it's God's will.
Amen. That's awesome. And I was

921
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:43.279
actually I think I was spiritually attacked
last night too. Yeah, that's that's

922
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:45.199
I mean, you're twenty one,
and you've got such a vast knowledge of

923
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.840
the Bible, and you've got a
lot of wisdom. You're certainly headed for

924
01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:53.520
bigger and better things. And I'm
I'm glad to have met you, and

925
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:55.800
I look forward to to chatting with
you again in the future. And I

926
01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.920
want to give you, you know, a few minutes to address the audience

927
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:01.920
and kind of give them the last
word. Absolutely well, thank you.

928
01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:10.840
I appreciate it, of course.
So I just want to say, basically,

929
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:16.840
for all the Christians out there,
just leave to the Lord and seek

930
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:21.680
him out, diligently, read and
pray every single day. And I know

931
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:28.760
sometimes sometimes I don't do that,
but I always try to, so at

932
01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:35.239
least try to spend some time with
God every single day. And for people

933
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:43.359
who are maybe questioning flat Earth kind
of look at it just through the lenses

934
01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:46.760
of the Bible, even if you're
not religious or Christian or anything like that,

935
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.720
like try to get different points of
view. And like I said,

936
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:56.680
let God be true in every man
a liar, and you can, I

937
01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:00.359
mean, you can go to that
and you can prove that God it is

938
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.119
true with the Bible. I believe
that was my whole heart yep. One

939
01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:09.359
percent. And then again I do
believe, you know, going back to

940
01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:13.720
your your friend's question, that the
reason why they go out of their way

941
01:15:14.199 --> 01:15:17.239
for this program. And once again
you could tell how much effort they put

942
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.600
into it by the response people give
you when you bring it up. How

943
01:15:20.680 --> 01:15:25.520
important it is to them to hold
this lie up. Otherwise, Yeah,

944
01:15:25.760 --> 01:15:31.640
much of their stranglehold that they have
on the world will crumble. Oh yeah,

945
01:15:31.680 --> 01:15:35.680
absolutely. I mean Satan already knows
that he's lost, so he's just

946
01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:39.920
trying to drag as many people down
the hell as he can, and he

947
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:44.560
uses things like evolution, the Big
Bang theory, even globe Earth to do

948
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:49.840
so on. So we're going to
do more research into the stars and to

949
01:15:50.039 --> 01:15:55.199
the planets. And it's interesting that
that you know, it came up on

950
01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:59.279
the same day, one person wondering
if there were windows in the firmament,

951
01:15:59.359 --> 01:16:02.399
and then you would make angels.
And there's so much to think about.

952
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:10.279
And I really appreciate all your insights
and everything you do. You're a positive

953
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:16.119
light on a society that is again
there is a big falling away from God,

954
01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:19.560
and it's good to hear people like
yourself that are working hard to maintain

955
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:23.960
and share the message with others.
I'm proud of you, and it's great

956
01:16:23.960 --> 01:16:28.199
to meet you. Well. Thank
you. I really appreciate that, George.

957
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:31.399
And I mean, would you mind
if I said, like a little

958
01:16:31.399 --> 01:16:36.079
prayer of salvation in case anybody wants
to get right with God or come to

959
01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:45.000
Jesus Christ. Of course. Okay, So if you Lord Jesus, I

960
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:47.359
thank you for my life and for
the blood that you shed on the cross

961
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:50.960
for my sins. I believe that
you died for my sins and that you

962
01:16:51.079 --> 01:16:55.439
rose again on the third day,
and I ask you to forgive me and

963
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.319
wash me clean and the mighty blood
of the Lamb. And I ask you

964
01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:00.119
this day to come into my heart
and be the Lord and savior of my

965
01:17:00.239 --> 01:17:04.319
life. Amen. And if you
believe that truly in your heart. Anybody

966
01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:09.760
that's listening or questioning God, you
are born again, you are saved.

967
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:15.199
So I just encourage you to seek
other Christians and help encourage and build up

968
01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:19.039
each other's state. Really amen,
well done, and thank you for that

969
01:17:19.079 --> 01:17:24.000
prayer. Brother. Oh yeah,
absolutely. Now I feel like I was

970
01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:29.039
just called to do it, so
I'm happy to do it anytime. Well,

971
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:31.279
I appreciate it. And again,
it was a pleasure having you again.

972
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.720
That's Cameron joining us tonight. Another
great episode in the books, and

973
01:17:35.800 --> 01:17:39.840
it was a pleasure having you.
And again, folks, if you'd like

974
01:17:39.920 --> 01:17:44.159
to join the program and share your
message like Cameron did tonight, you can

975
01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:48.359
reach out to us via email and
that is the Flat Earth Files at gmail

976
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.920
dot com. Everybody, have a
great week for Cameron. I'm George,

977
01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:55.920
God bless you. Keep your head
on a swivel and until the next time

978
01:17:55.960 --> 01:18:03.319
we meet, we will see.
I know it's been struggle. I know

979
01:18:03.479 --> 01:18:13.319
you've had spain. I know you
feel tired, held down by all the

980
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:24.359
way. Yeah, I know you
feeling you smile ain't the same I saw

981
01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:33.199
where to go from. You feel
like you've lost your way. Don't give

982
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:39.520
it, No, don't give it. But never home. Don't let call

983
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:45.399
the primise. It ain't done yet. He's got a plaid. Why it's

984
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:56.479
away time? Got up? Baby? Come? Why afraid? God Y

985
01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:09.079
called? I can see the street
beside you. Childs are putting up the

986
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:15.920
five. Oh you're stronger than a
thing. C Yeah, you're gonna be

987
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:27.720
all right. You're accepting a dead
founded beautiful you're shoving ride. Yeah,

988
01:19:27.880 --> 01:19:32.640
you're living, breathing, moving,
You can hold your head a pie.

989
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:42.560
Don't give up, No, don't
give in. You never lose home.

990
01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:46.920
Don't let gone on the primis me
ain't done yet, he's gone up.

991
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:54.840
Let WA's the way down the God
of Merica. Don't give up, No,

992
01:19:55.279 --> 01:20:00.920
don't give in. You never love
home. Don't let go one province.

993
01:20:00.560 --> 01:20:06.279
It ain't gone like it's worth living. What's a way down the god

994
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:20.520
of baby? Why spray down the
god steam? Oh yeah, what's a

995
01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:32.039
pray down the garden? Baby called? Oh yeah, God TV called?

996
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:45.199
Oh, don't give up, no, don't give in. Never, So

997
01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:51.279
do they go of the primise?
I mean a dog yas got a playing

998
01:20:53.039 --> 01:21:01.039
watch a kind of baby colts.
Don't give no dogy, but never this

999
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:08.039
whole. Don't let go of the
times. Getting done, Lovers for living,

1000
01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:19.520
What's done, God of any colds
all, the God of needs,

1001
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:38.960
whits done, the God of you're
listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

1002
01:21:42.439 --> 01:21:43.159
Just the facts, ma'am.