WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:11.320 This is Pod Populi Podcast for the People, the Great Love Debate. It's 2 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:17.760 the Great Love Debate, the Great Love Debate. It's a Great Love Debate. 3 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:22.000 Hi again everyone, It's Brian. How are you welcome to the Great 4 00:00:22.239 --> 00:00:26.239 Love Debate, the world's number one dating and relationship podcasts. It's twenty and 5 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:32.079 fifteen. I am here once again in the very fine studios of pod Populi 6 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.280 Podcast for the People. I am at the one in Hudson, Ohio. 7 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.479 I have not been at the one in Hudson, Ohio in some time. 8 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:43.119 It is one of the og pod Populis. It's either the first one of 9 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:45.240 the second one, depending on how you do the math. But anyway, 10 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:47.920 I'm glad to be here. It's a lovely time of year to be in 11 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:53.079 the Midwest, which it isn't always, but it is right now. So 12 00:00:53.640 --> 00:01:00.200 somebody asked me the other day why I don't promote my book more and I 13 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:04.920 rarely reference it, And my answer to that is pretty straightforward. Honestly, 14 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:11.879 I was wrong about a lot of it. Probably conservatively, I don't know 15 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:15.480 thirty percent of the book. I don't stand behind anymore, and I would 16 00:01:15.480 --> 00:01:21.159 say I would make some updates in my next book. But honestly, despite 17 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:26.480 you know, publishers reaching out and hounding me about it pretty regularly since probably 18 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:32.439 twenty fourteen, I don't think I'll ever write another book, because once you 19 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:38.640 hit publish and send your baby to print, there's a good chance. Especially 20 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.959 with what we were talking about around here and the speed at which the landscape 21 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:48.120 evolves, I'm worried that a whole lot of it will be outdated, or 22 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:53.000 misguided or flat out wrong by the time the book, even you know, 23 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:57.359 gets to Barnes and Melton, gets to the Barnes and Nobles shelves. And 24 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.840 trust me, for most of my life, I really enjoy I think it's 25 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:05.000 one of the best things I do. I have made a living from it 26 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:09.039 for a long long time and has been noticed by wiser people than me. 27 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:15.919 In pretty much all occasions when writing is required, it's a great advantage to 28 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.639 be good at it, and I think I'm pretty good at it, but 29 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:23.639 I just don't do it that much, and part of that is fear of 30 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.639 being wrong. So I had to think about that, and part of the 31 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:31.400 reason I love podcasting is every week I essentially get to add a new chapter 32 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:38.439 or rewrite an old one, so When I gave that response about my book, 33 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:46.039 they said to me, so you don't like being wrong, And I 34 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.080 thought for a second, and then I answered, actually no, I actually 35 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:55.840 love it, which is a big difference in twenty twenty three Brian Howey versus 36 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:05.800 twenty thirteen Brian Howey, I of being wrong. I think it's honestly exhilarating, 37 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:10.639 maybe because it's so rare or a but I think the very act of 38 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:17.000 getting your mind changed. I just think there's something that is so moving and 39 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:25.319 inspiring, obviously thought provoking that a lot of times the debate in this Great 40 00:03:25.360 --> 00:03:34.080 Love Debate is built on a foundation of prove me wrong. Here's what I 41 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:42.199 think. I think I'm right, Prove me wrong, and I really like 42 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.520 that. I mean, I'll give you a couple of examples about a few 43 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:47.319 of the things that we mostly me I've been wrong about during during the history 44 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:53.439 of this show, our earliest tagline for the Great Love Debate was get your 45 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.719 head out of your apps, and you'll still see that floating around in some 46 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:01.800 of our our marketing materials. It's clever, it's catchy. Every time I 47 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:05.800 got interviewed on a morning news show, the anchors would be like because their 48 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:11.439 brain thought I said something else. But mostly we believe that, then get 49 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:15.000 your head out of your apps. Because we thought that online dating wasn't as 50 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:19.439 good. It simply wasn't nearly as good as real life. And you know 51 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:24.720 what, it's not as good. That's not the part we were wrong about. 52 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:29.920 We were wrong about thinking it had no value whatsoever. And now in 53 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:33.279 the twenty twenties, I think we have to realize we were wrong. It 54 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:40.519 absolutely has value. Can meet somebody online and have every bit of the relationship 55 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:46.199 you can have if you met at a farmer's market or at a networking social 56 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:50.439 event. We as a society, I think, have evolved along with the 57 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:56.759 apps. If you use them correctly and get the information you want to get, 58 00:04:58.680 --> 00:05:02.680 and find the connections you wish connect, and most importantly move things off 59 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:10.079 line in an excited and expedited fashion, it ultimately gets you to the very 60 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.839 same starting place and actually probably a little further along in most cases than if 61 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:17.399 you met at a at a wedding or at you know, in a co 62 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:24.560 ed volleyball league. And we were so adamant that no, you need to 63 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:29.319 meet in real life or it won't happen, that was wrong. Did a 64 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.279 heck of a lot of people meet and date and eventually marry and fall in 65 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.759 love after coming to our great love debate shows, of course, thank you 66 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:41.879 very much. And was that partly partially due to the environment? Yeah? 67 00:05:42.439 --> 00:05:46.560 And was it partially due to the alcohol? Probably, and a lot to 68 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:50.079 do with the subject matter and the laughing and the and the shared experience and 69 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:56.600 my masterful hosting abilities, Yes and yes and yes and yes. But could 70 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:01.360 the thought process that we were stimulating, and the dialogue and the communication, 71 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:06.759 could that have happened elsewhere on Hinge or on bumble or even linked in? 72 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:16.199 LinkedIn as a dating psyche folks, for sure? And you know pretty much 73 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:23.040 otherwise to you know, to protect our pride of our brand. It's simply 74 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.879 wrong. That gets your head out of your aps is wrong. And I 75 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.959 felt liberated when I realized it. My brain clicked to a different place, 76 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:40.319 and that place was both cathartic and liberating. I love it. I love 77 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:44.319 the way being wrong made me think. I have written a lot of lines 78 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.319 in my career that have made people laugh, and obviously I always will find 79 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:55.639 that thrilling and validating. But the ones that really matter and give the longest 80 00:06:55.639 --> 00:07:04.680 impression are the ones that make people think you right something and eventually say something 81 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:11.399 that make I don't know, five hundred people think at the same time, 82 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:16.680 you can actually hear the collective brains worrying, and the brains worrying means that 83 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.800 you change the way they thought or perceived. And to do that to a 84 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:26.439 certain degree, somebody has to realize ten of them, twenty of them, 85 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:32.959 all five hundred of them, I was wrong what I thought or how I 86 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:40.920 thought it. So for the same thing happened to me. You know, 87 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.959 Fuck, it's a drug. I like it prove me wrong all night long. 88 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.160 So I want to get into all of this our right to be wrong, 89 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.360 so to speak, but I don't want to do wrong by the people 90 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:56.959 who pay for all this. So quick break and we will be back right 91 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:05.480 after this. And we are back. So what else were we wrong about? 92 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:13.240 So back to the book. I think I was way too assumptive that 93 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.839 I understand men because I was one and one. And that might be the 94 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:24.480 single biggest thing I've ever been wrong about. And I should know better because 95 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:28.879 it has driven me nuts professionally and personally. Every time I have been told 96 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:35.399 that I didn't understand women because I'm not one, which is absurd. Bill 97 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.080 Belichick never played quarterback, doesn't have to be a quarterback to understand how Tom 98 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:45.879 Brady should play quarterback. I don't think a doctor has to have had cancer 99 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.159 to understand cancer. And most women, and most women get mad when I 100 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:56.480 say this, only know about one woman themselves, or at best their little 101 00:08:56.519 --> 00:09:00.360 inner circle of friends, their mom, sisters, et cetera, because they 102 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:05.879 don't take the time to really study any other women's thoughts or perspectives, mostly 103 00:09:05.919 --> 00:09:11.919 out of fear or the I already know. But a big part of it 104 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.399 is they don't want to be wrong. They don't want to know they're thinking, 105 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:22.279 living, feeling being wrong. I'm doing life as a woman just flat 106 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.240 out wrong, So I get that scary. So to the ladies again. 107 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:33.879 There is a joy to the wrong. So come back with me to the 108 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:39.799 guys for a second. For almost twenty years, back to the writing I 109 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.960 have written about the thoughts, perspectives, feelings, and experiences of women. 110 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.559 My agent always said I wrote better as a woman in a woman's voice than 111 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.480 a man. Maybe that's my own issues, but I did that because I 112 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:54.840 was curious about it, and I wanted to learn because I thought the men 113 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.399 were boring because quote, I already knew them. I already knew the guy 114 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.240 part born with That was I found out during the course of doing the Great 115 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:11.440 Love Debate I had far less a clue about the men than the women because 116 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:15.399 I just wasn't curious about them. I never thought outside the box. I 117 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:18.759 never asked the questions, I never did the research, I never viewed the 118 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:24.080 collective perspective. And so when we started doing the Great Love Debate, the 119 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.799 whole thing admittedly felt a little Jerry springerish. It was boys against the girls. 120 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:33.879 We're right, you're wrong, proved me wrong. And the ones who 121 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:43.240 ultimately proved me wrong, this man wrong were the other men, because every 122 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:46.600 night I would listen to them, and they were experienced things I wasn't familiar 123 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.000 with, and they were feeling things I hadn't felt, and they were considering 124 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.679 things I'd never thought about, on and on and their experiences, for whatever 125 00:10:54.720 --> 00:11:01.919 reason, were not my experiences, and they weren't wrong. So a year 126 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.840 or so into the tour, I went right into therapy. What is you 127 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.639 know to use that word wrong with me? Why don't I get what's going 128 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.000 on? Here, and people don't like that word, especially therapists. They 129 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.039 don't. They freak out if you use that word. But that is the 130 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:24.120 word and why I'm embracing it so hard on this episode. So why was 131 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:33.159 I wrong? It's because my perspective on quote unquote The Men was shaped by 132 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:39.759 my own personal, very narrowed experiences, my upbringing, my surroundings, my 133 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:46.399 relationships, my issues, lots and lots of issues. So people might blanch 134 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:50.120 at the word wrong, but I'll own it. If I thought a certain 135 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:54.600 way and felt a certain way, I might have been wrong to think that 136 00:11:54.639 --> 00:11:56.440 way or feel that way, or at least to let those thoughts and feelings 137 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.639 affect my encounters and those around me in less than the best possible way. 138 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.000 And before we get all the way into this, this is not to say, 139 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.000 you know, you're going to get excited about the guy or girl you 140 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.120 used to date and spend four millionable, miserable years with and you're gonna wake 141 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.639 up, you know and say, oh my god, that was such a 142 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:24.960 good decision. No, but it isn't liberating to think that was the wrong 143 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:33.399 time or wrong situation or wrong person, or I was wrong to feel that 144 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:39.000 way or love them as I did, And that's the freedom. Isn't that 145 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:46.320 awesome to know that that is behind you? Isn't that the answer? I 146 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:50.120 was wrong? Period? You want your closure there. It is wrong. 147 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.080 It wasn't right, no matter how much you wanted to believe it. It 148 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.320 was fucking wrong, and that should click your brain to the next degree and 149 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:09.759 subsequent outcome wrong. More wrongs will make it right. And think about that 150 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.000 all what all this will do sort of two and within a relationship, all 151 00:13:16.039 --> 00:13:20.000 of the boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife stuff that we always talk about 152 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.320 on the show, it's all rooted in confidence in communication. We have said 153 00:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.440 that ad infinitum on the Great Love Debate. And I'm confident enough to admit 154 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:35.720 I am wrong. And it takes a heck of a lot more confidence to 155 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:41.080 admit you are wrong than you are right. And you got to be confident 156 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:45.279 enough to communicate that. So think about that for a second. Telling the 157 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:50.279 other person you were right, you know, saying I was right, That 158 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:56.639 inflames the situation and that breaks down the communication. But when you tell them 159 00:13:56.639 --> 00:14:05.320 you were wrong and you realize it you'd admitted, it starts the healing and 160 00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:09.840 it increases the understanding, and it tightens the bonding. It's such a valuable 161 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.159 and conciliatory attribute, and we don't talk about it enough. We talk about 162 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:18.120 apologizing. That's a little bit different thing. So how you feel that way 163 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:22.960 not quite the same as admitting I was wrong. I got this wrong, 164 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.200 you know. And the value isn't totally in being wrong. The value is 165 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:33.600 in seeing that you're wrong, because in order to do that, you have 166 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:39.519 to change your perspective and accept and absorb new information that alters your way of 167 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:48.120 thinking. And at least to me, I think that's incredibly gratifying, liberating, 168 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.840 stimulating once you take things that don't matter out of it, things like 169 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:00.559 stubbornness and ego and pride. Probably haven't been too many times where you've said, 170 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:03.279 hey, I admit it, I was wrong. But I guarantee you 171 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:07.200 on the occasions when you thought it or said it, you felt really good 172 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:13.840 afterwards. And I think that's the whole point, which is a little tangent 173 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:18.440 here which has drive me nuts about the coming storm of COVID two point zero. 174 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.840 I mean not literally a storm of it, but a media and hysterious 175 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.519 storm of it. As we record this heading into the final stretch of twenty 176 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.720 twenty three. From a public health perspective, you're gonna be like, what 177 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.320 do is this due loved dating relationships? Everything From a public health perspective, 178 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:41.480 every single thing they told you back in twenty twenty twenty one was wrong, 179 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:46.879 masks, the distancing, the efficacy of the shots, the scrubbing of the 180 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.159 groceries, how has transmitted the symptoms, the treatments wrong, wrong, wrong, 181 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.159 wrong to the nth degree. And the people who admit that, I 182 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.840 guarantee you they feel better about things moving forward. And the people who were 183 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.879 used to admit that I don't know that they were wrong, That they're stubbornly 184 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:08.840 and blindly clinging to the junk science from a few years ago, simply because 185 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:12.639 they don't want to admit that they wasted so much time and a few years 186 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:18.679 of their lives and possibly irreckably wrecked their children's lives or at least their education 187 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.519 over being wrong. So they cling to it was right or we did what 188 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.600 was right at the time. Is that healthy? Is that mindset healthy? 189 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:33.399 Is that smart? So again, not to continue down this political tangent, 190 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:37.039 and trust me, all of this sadly is a political tangent, but it's 191 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.480 the same mindset. I like what I like and this is what I want 192 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:42.600 in a man, woman, whatever, And you're not going to change my 193 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:48.879 mind, well, good luck with that. If you just for a minute 194 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:52.039 or maybe a month, you throw all your beliefs and your rules and your 195 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:57.039 barriers out the window and say, everything that I thought or did when it 196 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:03.119 comes to dating and relationship and ships was probably wrong. Do you know home 197 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:08.039 burdened and positive you will feel because you have an answer and all of this 198 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:11.240 that's what we want. Do you know what that will do for your mindset? 199 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:19.440 How you're doing it feels wrong because it is wrong. Whaila an answer. 200 00:17:21.400 --> 00:17:23.000 We twist ourselves into knots looking for an answer. There's an answer, 201 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:27.880 flat out you're wrong, and so many people, especially the women, come 202 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.920 at us with I listen to my gut. My gut is always right. 203 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.720 First of all, you rarely listen to your gut. It's mostly hindsight, 204 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.799 and in hindsight is where you discover you were wrong. Your gut is bullshit, 205 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.480 Ladies. Stop, it's mostly just doubt or fear or dejevau and haul 206 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.160 on and nothing. Because if your gut we're always right, you'd make all 207 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:52.799 you'd make a whole lot of different decisions. I'll just put it that way. 208 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.640 You want to sing praise to your gut, have at it, but 209 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.960 you gotta be honest about it. Your gut is usually wrong, so sings 210 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.400 honest to that. It's more on target. That's what's right. You know 211 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:08.799 what. My instinct's off, my gut's wrong, My judgment sucks own that. 212 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:15.599 Think you feel better about it? I mean, is there a bit 213 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.559 of satisfaction in being right and I told you so? Perhaps? But often 214 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:26.480 I think the frustration outweighs the validation the need for it. I wish you 215 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.519 listen to me the whole time. I mean, that's not a real rewarding 216 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:36.160 feeling. I think there's more surety and clarity in wrong. There's more of 217 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:42.720 an aha, you were right is far more redwing rewarding than I was right. 218 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:49.000 And I think we just refused to see that and say that sometimes. 219 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.680 So is there a complete awakening and seeing that you were wrong about something? 220 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:00.119 I don't know. I don't know how much I can say this, but 221 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:07.079 I personally love it. Prove me wrong, teach me something which is essentially 222 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.079 what that is, show me how I'm wrong, and I think, oh 223 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:12.920 yeah, when that happens and you allow it to happen, I think it's 224 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:18.200 an amazing feeling. Doesn't mean you got fooled, doesn't mean necessarily you were 225 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:22.079 dumb, which a lot of this is people are afraid they're going to be 226 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:26.880 consisted dumb. If they were wrong, it simply means that your interpretation was 227 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:32.599 a hair off or a heck of a lot off. Either way, it 228 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.119 doesn't matter because once you realize that and recorrect the course, it's really an 229 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:42.759 awakening. You had to listen to be wrong, You had to learn to 230 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:48.880 be wrong, and you had to shift and evolve to be wrong. And 231 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:56.279 I think we all need to accept that and embrace that the joy of being 232 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:03.480 wrong. Perhaps that's might not book. I said I wouldn't write another one. 233 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:10.119 Now that I think about it, I could be wrong. So please, 234 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:15.039 if you have any thoughts on this, they're probably wrong, but shoot 235 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.759 me an email, great love debate at gmail dot com and we will kick 236 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:19.119 that around on an episode coming out. I was supposed to have some kids 237 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:22.519 on an episode today. I ended up doing this. They were wrong and 238 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:26.720 they couldn't get their stuff together. Poor parenting. I'm gonna do that soon. 239 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:30.200 Our annual or semi annual look at what the teens and tweens are going 240 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:34.079 through for dating that is coming up. But please listen, share, follow, 241 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:40.799 subscribe to the Great Love Debate. Most importantly, every single week I'll 242 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:44.880 tell you this review, your reviews meeting a lot in the podcasting ecosystem, 243 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:48.920 even after all this time, because as always at the Great Love Debate, 244 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:57.960 we never stopped making love. See next time. The Great Love Debate, 245 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:06.480 the Green Love Debate, the greyst Love Debate. It's the Great Love Debate.