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Welcome to Softcore History. Hello,
and welcome to another episode of Softcore History,

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the number one podcast for MVPs of
third place trivia teams. I am

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your host, Rob Fox, and
as always, I am joined by our

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producer and co host, Dan Rejester. What up? What up? Hey?

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How you doing kid? We got
a little a little nice setup going

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right now. Yeah, yeah,
hopefully it sounds a little bit better,

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a little bit fresher, a little
bit swaggy. I hope you liked the

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audio, Dan, you want to
run them through what we're talking on today.

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I'm just kidding. I don't want
to know that, Okay. Yeah,

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And I'm also joined by Jake Jake
Goldman. Hey, it's good to

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be here. Um. I'm really
excited for today's episode because I get to

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know Dan's future. We do get
to know Dan's future today, and that

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is because we're joined by a very
special guest. Our former creative call league

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at Grandex, the former head of
Total Sorority move dot com. If you

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were a fan of us in our
TFM TSM days, and current purveyor of

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the Dark Arts, Veronica Ruck.
What's up, guys, how you doing

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good? It's good to be you
know, creating with you guys again,

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it is it's been too long,
it's been it's been a while. I

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don't know. Creation's a little different
though, these days, huh it really?

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Yeah? Yeah. It started out
as sorority girl writing columns about why

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it's okay to use the word like
too much, and now I'm a gay

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witch. To be fair, I
was gonna says the turnaround. Quite a

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pivot. Honestly, that all just
sounds like you writing feminist stuff. To

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be honest, it's like, don't
shame me for my language. Don't shame

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me for my language. I still
say light yeah, and now you're just

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fully into Dayton Chicks and being a
witch. Well sure, yea. My

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sexuality as a whole could be a
whole other podcast, but it really could.

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The very abbreviated version, yes,
sure, yeah, I'm dating.

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I don't want to explain it.
Version, that's fine. I'm a little

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nervous to find out my future.
I don't know if I want this.

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This is why we picked you because
me and Jake would be like, oh

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wow, neat, no fuck that. Yeah, I know, this is

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why you got picked. I actually
and just for the record, Veronica did

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this for me and my wife earlier
during quarantine. It was very insightful.

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I think Veronica picked up on a
lot of she picked up on. She

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drew a card and she was like, oh, did you just get like

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a new house or job? And
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I hadn't even started it yet,
like I just accepted the offer that day.

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So I was pretty impressed by that. She did an equally compelling one

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for myself and Courtney, yeah,
my wife, and so I am excited

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to hear her very accurate predictions about
so what. I don't even I think

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we skipped a step here, Veronica. We need to do this, guys,

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Yeah, we stopp being scared.
Veronica is here to do two things.

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So Veronica is um ah well as
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both listener and hosts and expert with
sort of wiccan or wicca and uh

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and tarot cards, I say,
okay, I have heard people pronounce it

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tarrow. I say taro. It's
not as bad to me as tarret.

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People like a carrot. It's for
sure tarret card. You would say,

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like a carrot. It rise with
faroh, not with carrot. Yeah,

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Tara hit me with those tarot cards. I know I did get a little

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jersey there for a second taro.
But yeah, so Veronica's first thing,

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Uh, she's gonna kind of explain
a little bit of the background on this,

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but then we're going to peer into
and laugh at Dan's future, my

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poor soul via the cards, um
and what they tell us. But Ronica,

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um, why don't you just tell
us to start out with because it's

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spooky month or holiday Halloween hoorn Halloween
horrornights on Halloween, horror horrors. The

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second time that's been it's horror nights
horror pronunciation thing, Yeah, Halloween horror,

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Halloween horrors. Let's hear it for
them though, honestly, yeah,

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there are no Halloween horse this year, because there's gonna be no they are

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there are They're just getting COVID along
with chlamydia. It's a double down.

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Can you imagine? Actually that that's
the thing now, it's like that asshole

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Brian gave me fucking COVID and the
clap clap, like, yeah, you

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killed my grandma, Brian. Well, and that's also the whole thing.

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Now, it's like, oh,
when was the last time you were tested

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for? What? You gotta swab
in my nose, swabbing my people.

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Yeah, it's totally cool that you
hit it raw, but like maybe wear

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a mask, but maybe wear a
mask. Yeah, do you bring protection?

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At this point, we need to
repopulate the planet, So don't wear

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a condom. We need these people
back were a condom. Unless you're trying

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specifically to make babies, that's bad
advice. That's probably fair. That is

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very like two and twelve advice.
Have a better pull out game. Come

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on, really it works pretty well. Yeah, I'm trying to have a

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kid right now, and I've learned
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will. I don't understand how,
I guess I kind of do. I

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don't understand how, Like a lot
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because they're more fertile than we are
in the peak, they just opulate longer,

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basically, must I don't have ton
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they do have more eggs, Yeah, they have more eggs than I

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do. I thought it was still
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But so you're born with however many
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so at first it's like, great, let's be getting rid of these eggs,

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like in shooting a bunch out and
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well we have these to give you, and they're like weaker and not as

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good. Yeah yeah, like penny
pension with yours for a certain point.

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But anyway, we're not here to
get we're doing us. This was a

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sex aid lesson. Yeah, well
it always kind of turns into that,

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and there's me a lot a little
bit of sex later on. UM,

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love that for us. Yeah,
for sure, it's gonna be if you

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guys have read it, it's gonna
be part of which craft accult sex.

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Uh say it's but tell us a
little bit about the trough cards and so

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yeah, okay, so let me
just start how I got I'm pretty new

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to all this. It was last
year amateur which a future I am an

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amateur witch. But to be fair, you seem like the type of guy

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who would skimp on a surgeon,
So stop complaining. Well I don't have

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health insurance, rob, So yeah, the back alley looks pretty good.

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Um. Anyway, so you guys
have known me a long time. I've

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always been like super into Halloween,
like always, so I've always kind of

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been like a drawn a little bit
to this stuff. And last year for

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Halloween, I was like, I'm
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I'm going to make like an altar, like I wanted to be really spooky

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but as ray as Catholic. So
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I don't need to like invite the
devil here by accident. So I started

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researching it and like, probably July, because that's when Halloween starts. To

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me, it does, um.
I mean, if you don't have your

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costume planned out by ready ready to
go by October first, you're too late.

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Like my wife is. She's not
as in as hardcore into the costumes

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as you as you but like I
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she's like telling me it's time to
buy pumpkins. But it is you

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have to be you don't want to
miss it. It's not that long.

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I like a season. I don't
know, so um, I started looking

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everything up and I was like,
kind of I was raised Catholic, kind

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of like being atheists for a while
because I was like, I don't know

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if this all makes sense to me. Then I started reading about like Wicca

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is where I started, and Wicca
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like what you practice, and Wicca
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Um, and it's a form of
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have like a Christianity is to paganism, Wicca is Catholicism. Witchcraft is like

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going to mass or praying. Yeah, so loosely right, um. Yeah,

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So I started looking it up,
and I started with Wicca because there's

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just the most information on it and
a lot of people who like are witchy.

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People kind of like look down on
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it's just the most popular and it's
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is obviously there's a lot of persecution, so there's just like a culture of

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like kind of keeping it to the
chest, and Wicka is just much more

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public. So I think a lot
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of like the like this isn't quite
the same, like the dynamic of like

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like a lot of kids like are
just like goth for a year. Sure,

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yes, And I think that is
totally how some people look at it,

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like Okay, you're just like dipping
your toe in and like I don't

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know if you count so a little
experimental face, Yeah, I think a

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little bits. The most wicka they
get is like hot topic. Sure,

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sure so I m but in reading
about it, I was like, I'm

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kind of like this. The first
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The way that the religion is set
up is that there is a God

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and a goddess that are equal.
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literally to mean like that there is
an actual deity, and some people myself,

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like I'm more metaphorical about it,
that like there is an equal masculinity

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and femininity in the universe and like
they need to be in balance with each

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other. And like, to me, like I've said shit like that forever,

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Like I don't know, so it
really spoke to me. I really

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liked that. And then everything else
is about really honoring nature. It's a

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nature based religion. UM, and
that's pretty much how I practice like for

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now, like I feel there's so
much that I don't know. There is

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so much and I don't I'm sure
you don't have like a ton of witch

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listeners. Maybe a couple, I
don't know, if you what do we

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even call our softies? If you're
a Wiccan Softie yeah, yea, or

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any which there's a there's a ton
of different I mean there's also like Santa

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and like voodoo, and I don't
know much about those at all. For

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any of the Breuha listeners out there
as well, feel free to give us

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a shout for sure. Yeah,
that's that's a whole different thing. Yeah,

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there's there are a couple of ideologies, and then some people are just

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they don't follow an ideology. They
just practice. So they'll do like little

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spells, which to me I had
two for a while, just equate to

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like a prayer um or like shadow
work or divination, which is like that's

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mostly what I do. Is like
I don't really I've done like two spells.

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I did a love spell on like
two people, light as a feather,

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stiff as a board. No,
I didn't like I wasn't like raising

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somebody off the ground. But I
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one of them like kind of worked
he met someone, but the good luck

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chuck spell they're not together anymore.
Yeah, it was like it like my

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first time saptin. I did a
career spell for Taylor, my girlfriend,

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and she it was like a money
slash career spell the Marine Corps was like

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holding on some money and she got
a check like the next day. So

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damn, there you go. I'm
sorry, Are you controlling the American government

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with your black magic? Um?
No? Unfortunately, if if only man

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next step, yeah, sick um. So anyway, she's like a helicopter,

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Like people just scale down my helicopter
and percy the windows and pull her

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out. She got that check out
of the Marine Corps, Get her out

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of her, get the switch.
Anyway, So most of what I do

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is shadow work, and shadow work
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self reflection, honestly, So like
meditation is shadow work. Therapy is shadow

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work. It comes from I don't
know if you guys have heard of this

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psychologist m Carl Young Love Carl Young, big car. So you know he

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has the I think it's the self
maybe the persona and the shadow and shadow

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the shadows, like you're subconscious.
So shadow work is like just trying to

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get in touch with your subconscious.
So that could really be anything. That

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could be like a long fucking bath
where you're just like very purposeful about like

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getting in your head. Well,
Carl Young too, doesn't he have a

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lot of work on the masculine and
feminine of each person as well, So

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I feel like he's into this.
Oh he's definitely because tell you that,

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Jake. As soon as he said
Carl Young, he perked, Jake can

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get to do shrooms this weekend.
So this is about as this is.

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This is tickling that part of the
brain. A lot of the stuff that

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he does, like his archetypes feel
very related. They feel related to Tarot

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and a lot of the Taro archetypes. So I feel like he was secretly

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like a witch. Carl Young is
a witch. I'm oh yeah. And

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like even which I'm gonna interject just
a little bit to you, Like Carl

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Young also gets into the He kind
of plays off the Myers Briggs a little

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bit too right, and those archetypes
as well, like you the leader the

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king archetypes. You have it back. Actually Myers Briggs derived from Young.

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we set the stage, like where
history podcasts have we talked about the

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topic today, Like what we're getting
into, Well, the two were it's

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a two part thing. So one
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full and she's given a little background
on and on her own stuff and also

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to row cars in general. But
then the other thing we're talking about,

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if you want to get to already, is a very famous witch named La

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Voisine from the French. If she's
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um, late sixteen hundreds, which
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French power. Louis the sixteenth,
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Right, Um, but we don't
we don't have to dive into it

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right now. I'm just saying for
our listeners at home, like this isn't

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just a random witch podcast. We're
actually gonna cover historical event. Okay,

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We're so we're just setting the context. I'm also talking about the history of

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witchcraft a little. Yeah. I
mean, you're talking about Carl Young,

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You're talking about you. You're touching
a lot of But I don't think we

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actually, like you know, we're
not. You're not here for for structure,

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Yes, there is no you're here
for the rob indigestion after three pirons.

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Yeah, you guys, got you
guys, maybe you should do a

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reading for their relation and ship.
Oh god, Well, relationship readings are

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kind of long. Ours isn't going
to be like super long, It'll be

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like a ten. But so what
when how did you get it specifically into?

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So anyway, so what I do
is like mostly shadow work and like

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divination, and so divination is like
using like tools. It's like more like

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using tools to get knowledge. So
the Tarot cards is a divination. Um

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a little pendulum. I have a
pendulum that would be divination. It just

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kind of gives you guess, no
answers. I guess we do would be

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divination, but I do not.
Such a wegie board? Fuck that?

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Why fuck that? Out of fear? Um? Yeah, I touched a

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weiji board when I was twelve and
got haunted. So I'm just what do

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you mean you got haunted? Is
it still around? Is it ghost still

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around? No? I did an
exorcism, leave me alone? But twelve,

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Wait, I think you've actually told
me about this like this thing,

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Like didn't you have a friend sleeping
over and like she said she even saw

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this thing, this entity or so
my mom like dips her toe into like

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witchy stuff and it was like readers
who were like, um, what's going

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on here? And so my cousin, my mom's cousin really does um.

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He just stands mostly and he like, I don't know, there was a

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pigeon. We like, let a
pigeon fly out a window, take the

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spirit away. I don't know what
does a Jersey go sound like? Is

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it like, hey, Marco,
you could pick up the pie? Well,

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I never heard it speak. I
just like knew that was that was

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my that was me going into Jersey
guys. Yeah, yeah, I thought

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that was like a kicked off of
like America's Funny as Comic in the first

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like episode. Oh yeah, because
I'm Rob and I always throw it down

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under the bus, even though he
sets up the whole fucking podcast. Right,

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Well, we're getting like a little
bit of grass there. Maybe you

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two need to get a little sage
cleans out shop up some stage. Yea

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lady and well lady in the trampoline
of stage? Is lady in the tramping

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a line of anything meeting nose in
the middle. Yeah, it's just going

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on opposite. It's a little line
in your nose with the straws cut or

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the dollar. They just get intertwined, like I think you just ends in

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an Eskimo kiss. Yeah, that's
yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, that's

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probably offensive anounce to you. I
don't think it. Probably it actually is

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they fucking hate that it's kids?
Sorry, I actually I probably like that.

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Probably. Yeah, I never thought
about that. Stop saying that.

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I'm not saying it often. I
don't mean to jump in more too.

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I'm really excited about this, if
you can't tell. I thought it was

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interesting. You know, you're talking
about toolwork as well and using different tools

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like am in the cards. I
thought it was just like a really you

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know, I don't necessarily know how
far I buy into like are the cards

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really telling me something? But I
do think it's an extremely useful tool in

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like externalizing things so that you can
see yourself better. I think so too.

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So I think even if you don't
believe in it, um, you

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could still get a lot of value
out of a reading because it's going to

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bring So let me a little bit
about the cards. So there are seventy

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eight cards and it consists of like
two kind of mini decks. The minor

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Arcana is similar to a deck of
playing cards. It goes as through King,

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but there's fourteen of them. Um, there's instead of Jack Queen King

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it's page Night Queen King. So
there's four face cards instead of three or

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guess five if you include ace Um. There's four suits. The suits are

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pennacles, wanes, swords, and
cups that correspond to the elements. Pennacles

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are earth, so that really has
to do with the physical world and like

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being grounded. Swords are air and
that's intellectum. Cups are water, so

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it's your emotions and which one am
I missing. Swans are fire, which

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is passion. So there's the four
suits, and then there's another the major

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Arcana. It's twenty two cards.
And these are more of those archetypal cards

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that we kind of talked about before
with young Um. They go from zero

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to twenty one. Why they numbered
them that way, I don't fucking know.

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Oh, you're right. Seven is
a kind of magic number. Hum.

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Any man would pick up on that
sevens of football numbers were it was.

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It was insane, just minor change
it. How much better the boys

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were at girls in grade in like
third grade, at literally just multiplying sevens

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at the seven times table. Yeah, just that one, Just that one

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sticks. That's so far. I
kind of like the seven times table.

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That was a good one, though, I feel like I don't know some

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of them. Sometimes nine go I
mean, I don't know it. Yeah,

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I just think it was a good
time. We really went up to

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twelve. We went up to twelve. Yeah, I think some people go

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up to fourteen to like show off, you know, like charter schools,

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probably home school in mensa only if
you're in men can you go up the

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Montessori, Yeah, you're fourteen board
for multiplication tables. If he went up

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to fourteen, you're a bad guy. You're a girl, a bad guy,

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a bad bad guy. You're a
bad person that would go maybe go

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into the school and like, honey, there timetable goes up to fourteen.

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I mean, why wouldn't you can't
just walk away from that? Maybe they

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go to fit now. I just
feel like it would be fourteen multiple seven

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get what the programs? Yeah?
Yeah, double sevens. Anyway, So

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the major arcana is the more archetypal
cards, and then go from zero through

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twenty one, and it's all often
called the Fool's Journey. Number zero is

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the fool. So he's like,
I don't know, the fool, the

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jester he sometimes called just like a
young lighthearted person and he goes through each

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card. He goes through number one, which is the magician, Number two

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the High Priestess, and all the
way up to twenty one, and like

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meets everybody and like learns a lesson
from them. Twenty one is the world

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and like that at the end,
he's like had mastery, he like understands

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the world. So anyway, so
that's a little bit about the deck um,

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and I think with that, maybe
we can go ahead and let's light

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these candles. Yes, I have
here. I have a candle, I

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have water, I have a crystal, and I have some It's not sage

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because that is endangered. It is
like I don't know something else, an

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alternative um that I'm in a late
and that represents the elements we just talked

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about. Fire, water, Earth
is the crystal, and the burning of

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the sage will be air because it
will see the smoke. Okay, just

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so it makes it easier on me
for the switchboard as I get my reading,

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do you and rabble in the switch
places real quick? No, she

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has a table in front work.
Okay, well that's fine, but it

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makes me have to go back and
forth on the switchboard. But yeah,

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that's fine. It's a switch mics. No, no, no, it's

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fine, it's the video I'm talking
about you. Oh, there is the

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light. Yes, these matches are
a good light. I never I never

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lie with a with a light anymore. That feels like trash. You know,

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it's not magical enough. It's not
magical enough lighter. The explosion of

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a match is extremely like it just
feels great. It smells good. Also,

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that's like I mean, I guess
they both are. But you can

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just like see the chemistry more.
Yes, that's how I feel too,

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And a lot of as we'll talk
about in our second part. Uh,

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chemistry was if you just knew chemistry, you could basically be like I'm magic.

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Well, I mean, and that's
what it was. I think I

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told you a little bit before Rob
that, like I feel like a lot

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of like the term which it's because
like they were healers, you know,

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and so wit, which comes from
the word wit. It was a wise

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woman with wit like that. Of
course, what do we do with it

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as a patriarchical society. We turned
that into a damning word woman. We

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burned the witch. Yeah, we
turned it around. Crone comes from the

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word crown. It's like you know
your cerebral they get mad crone. There's

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a funny statistic that while you whip
these cards out that women rulers are like

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like statistically have been at war more
than men, like at a higher rate.

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And everyone's like, oh, so
were too, And it's actually it's

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actually just because like every other country
was like, oh, chicks in charge,

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let's fuck them up. Yeah.
No, they're like, well I

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gotta go to war, right,
yeah, like let's see we could take

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some ship from this chick. And
then they're like, well we still are

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England and we have a giant armies. Yeah, they were just they were

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just playing deef. Didn't work out
well for the armada. I couldn't tell

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you the overall win loss, but
yeah, that was. But regardless,

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generally the rule was just like they're
like this, you can fuck him up,

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all right? Where we huh?
All right, so I'm gonna or

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I just kind of sit back.
No, you don't have to do anything,

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can I ask you? M there's
three people in here, because are

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you like focusing your intent on Dan
while drying these cards? Is your energy

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towards me? Yeah? I mean
I was thinking it was Dan, but

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I mean I'm not like our media, So it's not going to be like,

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oh, your grandma's talking to me
because she's just showed up, Like

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yeah, I don't so yeah,
but I don't want to know my future.

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Like it's too bad, I actually
don't. This is actually not that

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future. It's a more about like
it's going to be more present day.

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Um, I don't know. That's
even scarier. It's going to be about

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your feelings in here needs someone to
do. So yeah, scary, I'll

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tell you right now, it's going
to be a little less scary because you

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have, Um, there's definitely a
theme of pennacles. We have three pennacles

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showing up, so that's the earthly
thing. So it might be something about

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a job or like a house or
something a possession of some sort. Could

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even be about like your body,
something like that, something physical. That's

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what we're talking about. You have
the Night of Pennacles. These first two

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cards I'm going to read to you
are kind of going to inform the rest

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of it. And also if something's
not making sense to you, you can

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I can draw another card to like
clarify it. So if you're like,

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know this, so you can call
them all the what do you do when

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you split the cards? What's it
called. It's called a split You split

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the no no no when like in
the Yeah, okay, I don't know

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what that means, but sure,
so okay, we have the Night of

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Panicles. So this is really going
to be about I mean, this feels

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like it's a career path, like
not really a UM job specifically. It

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feels more like a career path because
it's about passion towards like a career.

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And the theme we have here is
like um the Sticks of Cups. It's

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about kind of nostalgia, but it's
appearing in reverse, so it feels like

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you are glorifying the past, or
you're looking backwards about your career and feeling

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passion backwards, feeling like something was
better in the past and you like want

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to revive that, and you feel
like the way to feel fulfilled is like

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to look back and like revive what
was there instead of like looking forward.

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So that's going to be Is this
making sense you at all? Well,

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it's hard for everybody in the room. I think that hits deep for everybody

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here. Cards though. Everyone.
Yeah, the cards are feeling that hard.

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So the next card we have is
kind of like your truth in this

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situation has to do with your perception, but like what you have right,

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and we have the page of pinnacles, So it feels like the pages of

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Pinnacles is kind of like youthful and
it's like, I don't know, I

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almost want to feel like you,
like especially because since we're talking about the

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past, it's like you didn't It
feels like you're looking back and like you

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were like I didn't know enough then, like I didn't know what I didn't

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know now, Like I was like
like bright eyed and bushytailed and just believed

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like what kind of came my way
and correct, I would constantly back my

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way into success. I had no
right being there. Well yeah, I

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mean it just feels very like youthful
and like innocence. Yeah, it has

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like an innocence towards like the field
towards or more oblivious. Yeah, I

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would say both. Yeah, yeah, but it's just like, um,

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I don't know. So it feels
like if you feel like you were taking

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advantage of or you didn't know enough
or whatever, like that feeling is correct.

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You were right, that is true, That's what happened. How's that

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going so far? Down. So
the next card we have is what you

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have wrong about the situation. So
this is a perception that you don't have

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right, and you have the present
about the past. Um well, I

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mean the card the reading is sort
of about the past because it's about nostalgia.

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So I am, I don't know, it's about like, it's about

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how it's about that you're glorifying the
past right now is kind of the theme.

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So I'm just going to read the
card to you and I don't know,

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we can work shop it together and
see how it feels. Okay,

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we'll feel it out. So we
have the Two of Swords appearing in reverse.

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So the Two of Swords is all
about decisions. I'm gonna I don't

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know, is this camera on im? I'll show it because this one's kind

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of like visual. Is this it? Like yeah, but you're focused,

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so you're gonna miss no. No, I mean just put it right next

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to your your face kind of yeah, there you go. Um. I

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don't know if they'll be able to
see. But so the Two of Swords

406
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:29,240
it is, I'll describe it.
It's a person sitting in front of like

407
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,839
a lake or river, some kind
of body of water and they're holding two

408
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,960
swords crossed in front of their body. It's nighttime, the moon is out,

409
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:41,559
um, and they have a blindfold
on. So this card is about

410
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:48,759
decision. It's about like making decisions, choosing between two things and um being

411
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,000
blindfolded, because your two decisions are
like kind of it feels like both of

412
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:56,279
them are based on like logic.
You have your blindfold on, so like

413
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,279
cover it right, we have some
imagery going on covered to the water,

414
00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:02,839
which would be your emotions. So
you feel like you only have these two

415
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,799
choices. But because you have your
blindfoldwn, you're not looking around you.

416
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:11,519
You're not seeing what it is.
So that's what you have like wrong here

417
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:15,240
to feel like whatever choice you've made
or whatever, like if there was like

418
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,799
a fork in the road, or
like you felt like you were kind of

419
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,680
like trapped to something like, it's
because you were only looking at like one

420
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:26,839
or you are looking at only like
one option, one path or maybe two,

421
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:33,519
but you're not considering like all parts
of you. So that's what you

422
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:37,480
have wrong. Like there's an emotional
aspect that you're kind of ignoring here,

423
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,079
and probably I would do need good
to look into that. I folded tells

424
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,880
at a gym for six months.
I think I think we're good. Well,

425
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,559
okay, um, the next card
is what you need to work on

426
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,480
from within, and I feel like
I'm having a little bit of trouble reading

427
00:29:56,519 --> 00:30:03,799
this one what it means in the
context. So hold on, I'm gonna

428
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:07,440
consult my notes. I always have
them with me because I'm a new which

429
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,160
um. But we have the ten
of Pinnacles and it's typically about um,

430
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,480
wait before you go on, do
you also look up YouTube videos whenever you're

431
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,000
in need, like to add to
your notes, Like whenever I don't know

432
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,640
anything in video or audio, I
go to YouTube. Oh, I did

433
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,000
a lot of YouTube. So I
usually just use my notebook, like because

434
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:30,920
this is like it's all my handwritten
notes, um, and it feels personal

435
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,519
to me. But I used a
lot of YouTube when I was like trying

436
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:37,480
to learn. You can learn anything
on YouTube. See Ultimate Universe. It

437
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,000
was, I mean, and I
like a cross reference. It was like

438
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:44,160
a lot of anyway. So this
card is typically about like it has to

439
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,400
do with like generations and generational wealth. But this is what you need to

440
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,000
work on from within yourself. So
I just want to make sure I'm not

441
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,319
missing anything here and showing up up
right. Yeah, please don't miss the

442
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,480
general wealth. Well, I think
what it's what it means is that your

443
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:03,759
girlfriend's general dad is gonna steal gold
from the government once the once society collapses,

444
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:10,640
and you will be a warlord prince
in the feudal state of Kansas.

445
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:17,839
I'm down. Yeah, sounds good
to me, Duke of Kansas. Yeah,

446
00:31:17,839 --> 00:31:21,319
okay, So I am taking in
a little bit of what I know

447
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:25,000
about you here. Um to read
this card too, Yeah, you do

448
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:27,359
know a little bit about me compared
to like the average. Yeah, but

449
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,279
I'm not I'm not trying to do
like trickery. I'm just there are cards

450
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:36,000
here and I'm reading them and you
don't know how to read them, and

451
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,640
I do, like you can believe
it or not, like I believe you

452
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440
let her read for you, but
it's helping me to interpret it that I

453
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,279
know you anyway. So I said
generational wealth, but it could also be

454
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,440
long term financial Stevens. So this
is saying what you need to look at

455
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:56,240
like work on from within, so
like personal like journey inside journey. I'm

456
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:00,920
thinking what this probably means for you
is you need to like kind of focus

457
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,839
on your future a little bit more
and like not so much in being the

458
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,400
here and now with your money and
your financial situations like you need it's like

459
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:14,640
time to start like thinking ahead of
planning ahead, like not what like emptying

460
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,119
out your four to one k,
like decisions like that are probably done it

461
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,599
twice, quit this podcast. Stop
being poor. That's what the cards are

462
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:24,640
telling you. Essentially stop gambling on
Coastal Carolina on Wednesday. Yeah yeah,

463
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:30,680
I didn't even think about gambling a
sport, um, but I feel like

464
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,480
that's what it's wanting you to do, is wanting to reckon that with yourself.

465
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:37,799
Um, you know, and start
thinking long term with your finances and

466
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:43,880
stop like thinking, you know now
is fine, now was enough, But

467
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,960
you did just get paid but your
bookie, I just got paid on that.

468
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,119
But maybe it's time to get out
while you're ahead. Nah, never

469
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,240
don't leave the table when you're hot, Jake. Actually, the next card

470
00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:02,680
is literally telling you to get out
of gamp like, um, it's the

471
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:09,960
overturned table card, it's the bust
card. The next I mean it mightn't

472
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,839
be about gambling, you can decide, But the next card is the tower,

473
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:21,039
which is it's pretty ominous to look
at. I will talk. This

474
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,960
is also in mind too. The
tower is freaky looking, it's it's very

475
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:29,599
It really kind of visually reminds me
of nine to eleven. There is a

476
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,799
burning building. There are people jumping
out of it, like it's not wasn't

477
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:40,119
the tower like a McConaughey movie that
was just terrible dark dark tower? That's

478
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:45,640
right? Yeah, so um yeah
it's dark, there's fire everywhere. Um.

479
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,920
What it means is well, okay, what it means is endings,

480
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,680
right, it means and this is
this isn't the position that it's like,

481
00:33:55,759 --> 00:34:00,240
it's what it wants you to work
on outside of yourself, and it means

482
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:05,359
you need to end something something.
And it's like usually that there's like a

483
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,119
building up to this moment. Like
I've been told, I've always been nervous

484
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,960
when I when the girl who taught
me to read, I was always like,

485
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,679
what if the tower comes up?
I don't want to tell someone that,

486
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,599
And she's like, they're gonna know
what it's about. Like, don't

487
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:22,360
like put that on yourself. They're
gonna know what it's about. So the

488
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,239
tower has to do with endings,
and it's like usually that there's a build

489
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,840
up, and it's like once you're
ready to like move on from whatever this

490
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,239
thing is, it just like feels
like it's gambling to me. But whatever

491
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:40,760
it's like it it'll it needs to
be destroyed like so much that you can't

492
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,840
go back to it, like it
can't be like, oh but maybe I'll

493
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,960
just like back up, like no, it's dead, it's gone, and

494
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:51,840
like that's what it wants you to
do. To like end something with no

495
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,599
backsies, you have to kill something. Yeah, well I just started a

496
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:58,480
new job. Gambling is just never
gonna go away. I'm sorry, So

497
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,599
my apology, Kylie. Uh,
I'm sorry to find it out this way.

498
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:08,880
The options are either I guess,
gambling or this podcast or like creating

499
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,639
see how you have your blindfold on
with these swords though, where you've just

500
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,519
limited it to two things like I'm
kidding. Um, please don't tell me,

501
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:25,039
Kylie. It's it's not about love, like there's no there's no indication

502
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:31,480
like you, it's it's a very
hateful relationship I have then what with with

503
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:36,800
whatever I need to end? Um, Well, it's just it's not saying

504
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,920
that it's hateful, it's just saying
that it needs to end. I'm gambling

505
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,320
gambling, probably is it? I
mean, And like with the tower,

506
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,320
like it does come with like pain
usually, so like it's probably gonna be

507
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,920
like hard for you to end whatever
the thing is, but like you have

508
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,239
to do it for what it's worth. Every time I get one of these

509
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,840
readings, I assume it's gonna be
like, stop having dreams, get a

510
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:04,840
normal job. Oh, I thought
you when you go to sleep at night

511
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,440
having dreams. I was like,
there's no card for that brass hoop or

512
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,280
whatever the or golden ring. Yeah, stop thinking your special Yeah, grow

513
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,320
up love, I love that from
an esoteric card deck. You think it's

514
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,840
gonna tell you be real man,
get a grip? Okay, growed?

515
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:29,320
Yeah, here, let's take I
can leave these out. You should take

516
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,199
a picture of it. Sorry,
I don't know. Let's take a picture

517
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:36,719
of this and we can put it
up on I don't know, Instagram.

518
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,360
Yeah, some people can see Jay
Dance future. Yeah. I hope that

519
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,840
somehow someone gleans your social security number
from that. They will, they'll figure

520
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:52,800
it out. Yeah, some Chinese
bought account will gotta thank you. Do

521
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,719
you want to get it? Yeah, got a picture of it, so

522
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,760
that dance. So what do you
what do you? What do you think?

523
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,039
The overall thing was he needs to
move. It feels like you need

524
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:07,360
to like stop being a little like
fuck boy with your money, Like you're

525
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,039
a fun boy to your money,
is what I feel like, and it

526
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,719
wants you to stop. Yeah that's
start saving money for my taxes because ten

527
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,480
ninety nine. But oh man,
we got fucked in the ass. I'm

528
00:37:19,519 --> 00:37:22,320
getting that phone next year. I'm
trying to keep it on under the table

529
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:27,199
though, so we'll see how that
goes. Also, got a little video

530
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,480
of you lighting the candle and all
that too. Oh oh that's a good

531
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,239
pick. Yeah that's good. That'll
be like cool on Instagram. Oh for

532
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,079
sure. Oh man, the tower
really is just so terrified. Get this

533
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,840
could have been anybody. This could
have been you, Jake, but you,

534
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,800
but it would have been interpreted.
But it would have been interpreted differently

535
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,760
for me too. Yeah, maybe
it shows up upside down. And so

536
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,519
I think this is a point and
I'm gonna let I'm gonna let you finish.

537
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,199
But this is the point. I
mean, man's playing to you know,

538
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,159
But this is the point that I
was trying to make. Is that

539
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,360
therapy is really hard hard for people
to do a lot of times because it

540
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:06,119
is just you and another person and
you're having to bring up all of these

541
00:38:06,159 --> 00:38:08,880
things. You're it's really hard to
be an objective observer of your own self,

542
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,679
right, And so these kind of
tools it allows. It's kind of

543
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,840
like a little kickstart into thinking,
Like it allows you to externalize some things

544
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,840
and observe them from an objective point
of view instead of you know, like

545
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,639
just starting from nothing. Yeah,
right, exactly. It's very much a

546
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:28,360
prompt. It's a type of thing
where for me, the way I would

547
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:37,760
interpret that is it's easier sometimes to
find the truth through like some satirical setup

548
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,960
rather than just literally saying it or
be forced to say it, you know,

549
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,719
using an analogy or something like that. Oh yeah, it's that.

550
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,599
It's that type of thing ASoP fables
wouldn't have been good if it was like

551
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:52,280
this crow was greedy with cheese and
like, you know, be greedy with

552
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,119
your cheese. Yeah, it's it's
it's a it's a living parable, right

553
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:00,800
So yeah, yeah, and that's
why I the same thing that, Like,

554
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,960
I think it's helpful, like even
if you don't put any stock to

555
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,679
it, if you're gonna be really
a grumpist about it and be like no,

556
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,239
no, that's not true. Like
then okay, go find yourself then

557
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,239
why you're getting a reading. But
like if you want to put any stock

558
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,440
into it, I do think it
can be like valuable for people because you're

559
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,760
gonna just find and I mean it's
a you're gonna find what you need to

560
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,000
find. It's gonna like bring up
for you what you need it to bring

561
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:27,519
up. And so this is like
kind of how I like pray. I

562
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,840
guess like if I'm like really stressed
out, I will like draw some cards

563
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,760
for myself and be like, Okay, this one I needed to. But

564
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,880
you know, it's the same shit
ladies to tell you in a different way,

565
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,559
Yeah, I mean they tell you
what you know. They don't tell

566
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,519
you anything you don't know. I
mean, And that's why I don't like

567
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:49,159
to read a future position cards and
like some people do, there is like

568
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,880
a reading. It's just like a
three card reading that's like this is your

569
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:53,079
past, your present, and your
future. And I don't really like to

570
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:58,039
do that one because I don't know, I just don't put as much credence

571
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:02,559
into that as I do into like
let's talk about what's going on gree Ghosts

572
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:07,000
are supposed to tell you your past, your president, not a witch,

573
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:12,480
and it's on Christmas, wrong holiday. Yeah, yeah, I think just

574
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,239
kind of speaking into what you're talking
about as well. It's like that's kind

575
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,280
of like what spells and like divination
and stuff does It may not be that

576
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,599
you're I think people look for a
lot of very concrete stuff when they're to

577
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,639
get out of these things, and
it's really like what in life is so

578
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,639
concrete anyway? Right? But it's
setting your it's allowing you to set your

579
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,199
intention in a different way than you
normally do. And it kind of breaks

580
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,440
up that moan nott Andy of like
I want to be better, but it's

581
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,480
like what if you can't even like
do this little thing. It's like a

582
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,800
little practice of like okay, I'm
at least putting it into reality in some

583
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,440
way, like I'm doing some sort
of ritual yea, in order to kickstart

584
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,039
that process again. Because if you
just say I want to be better,

585
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,400
then what are you doing? Yeah? It forces you to think, yeah,

586
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,920
there's no wrong way. It's not
really a wrong way to do that

587
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,840
everything lest you're just like going out
and killing a dog. You know,

588
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:00,639
you just go out and kill a
neighbors dog like this is it? Now?

589
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:04,320
I know I can be better today. Well, yeah, you can

590
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,199
always be better than killing a dog. Yeah. So if you gets you

591
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,440
kick started, Yeah, if you
didn't just doing the worst thing. Yeah,

592
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,559
I said the bar real looad today. So I'm gonna be better.

593
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,480
I'm gonna be better than Yeah,
I didn't kill a dog, so I'm

594
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,719
already up one. All right,
speaking of killing innocent things, let's jump

595
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,280
let's jump into our historical topic here. Yes, uh, the famed.

596
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,639
Today we're talks. Thank you,
Veronica, you are doing this for us.

597
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,639
This is really cool, very much. It ain't no thing, you

598
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:38,119
know. I have the switchboard,
I have the audio and now I'm we're

599
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,159
thinking, and that's a bad place
for me to. Oh, I know

600
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,280
you hate thinking. I'm sorry.
I just need to be on autopilot at

601
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:51,320
all times. It actually it begs
you to feel a little bit too,

602
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:52,880
not just think. I know you
like that. Even last you just see

603
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:58,519
the stank on his face when he
told the feel God, I know it's

604
00:41:58,559 --> 00:42:02,280
okay, we all so it sometimes
Dan Dan is not even I was gonna

605
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,039
say secret softy but not even really
like my tiny terrified dog. Jack loves

606
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:13,239
Dan, sure loves Dan. I
know if he can see into he sees

607
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,280
into Dan's soul. Yeah, I
feel like, yeah, I see that

608
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:22,039
with Dan, You're harmless really pretty
much. Um but all right, So

609
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:28,599
today, in honor of our quasi
witch guest uh and Spooky Month slash Halloween

610
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:34,039
horr Month, we are talking about
one of the most famous can we can

611
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:40,480
we do it? Like? It's
a monster truck rallyweed Horror Month. Gravedigger.

612
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,960
That is the best monster truck,
Grave Digger. He's the He's the

613
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,079
goat. He's who's the goat monster
truck. It's gotta be great Digger.

614
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:52,039
That's the only one I know.
Yeah, that's why he's the best.

615
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:57,239
It just like crushes like old Corolla. It's like a it's like a Chrysler

616
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,280
Corsica Sunday Sunday Sunday. Like it's
like the equivalent of like putting a bear

617
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,239
in a ring with like a bunch
of like baby monkeys and you just watch

618
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,280
it rip them to shreds. And
this is just the And it's supposed to

619
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,760
clear the cars, but never never
want to clear the car. You don't

620
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,880
go to Evil Can Evel to watch
him clear the cars. You can go

621
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,840
to a watch watch a monster truck
to it. You don't think anyone goes

622
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,320
to an Evil Can like anybody that
does the Red Bull stunts or anything.

623
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:27,119
You go there to see them die. Kind of, Well, that's part

624
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,719
of the Lords that they don't make
it over. You don't know what's going

625
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,280
to happen. So I think they're
making it over to the other side.

626
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:37,599
Man wire, you're just hoping he
falls. No, but it's there.

627
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,280
I've got to be honest. I
think this must be how Dan fell lower

628
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:52,519
talking about Carl Young because I am
blacking out right now. We'll get it,

629
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:55,960
we'll get into the Witch. So
this is, uh, hysterically,

630
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,880
this is how how much I into
this. This week, I just googled.

631
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,719
I was with Veronica. We were
doing a little like pre production meeting

632
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,400
on Thursday whenever, and I was
like, I'll find a witch. Let's

633
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,519
talk about a witch. Talk about
a cool witch. And I googled,

634
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:15,880
like, literally just like famous Witches
cool which sounds like a really bad reality

635
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:21,119
show, The cool Wich. It
sounds like Disney show. Yeah, like

636
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:31,719
a kid's show. It's like Sabrina
the teen like that vibe too cool for

637
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,679
seventh grade? If like Sabrina the
teenage Witch made like varsity cheerleading, or

638
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,519
that's cool the New Sabrina the Chilling
Tales of Sabrina, where she was supposed

639
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:45,559
to be like a cool witch,
but it was like she ended up just

640
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,159
working for Satan. Anyway, that
was a weird Joe, I go,

641
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,599
I go on like a twenty minute
of tangent about that fucking show. Let's

642
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,320
talk about this witch. Yeah,
so this is one of the most famous

643
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,880
witches in history, but you probably
haven't heard of her because I I hadn't

644
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,199
heard of her. And if I
hadn't heard of it, I know Robin

645
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,159
knows everything. Ye I you know, if you're like me and you dive

646
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:06,719
down a lot of Wikipedia holes,
this is I feel like this is something

647
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,599
I would have known. But so
anyway, her name, her actual name

648
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:17,760
is Catherine Monvoisin. I believe Monvoisin. Maybe you pronounced the end. I

649
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:28,159
think usually it's mon voice man voice
in Man. She's cursing you both from

650
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,280
hell right now. Her name,
she was known as lo Voisin, and

651
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,119
she is uh basically one of the
most famous which is of all time,

652
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:45,280
seventeenth century clear French which abortionist love
that for her? Yeah, and fortune

653
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,360
teller who was supposedly responsible for the
deaths of somewhere between a thousand and twenty

654
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,840
five hundred people. It was a
thousand confirmed, thousand confirmed and I think

655
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:58,440
estimated. Yeah, because what did
they do to her? So she was

656
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,480
you'll find out she was super in
to poison as well, made poison for

657
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:08,199
a lot of people. Yeah,
she loved Dy's hair metal. Yes,

658
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,320
No, she didn't celebrate Michaels.
Um. Let's just say the way she

659
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,239
went out was if she had to
pick one of those suits, it would

660
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,440
have been the want. Yeah.
Yeah, Um, she did a lot

661
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,360
of stuff. She performed black masses
using infant blood. Was eventually was eventually

662
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,159
burned at the steak for a lot
of stuff. Obviously it sounds like she

663
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,480
hadn't coming. What was she wearing? Did she look good at her burning?

664
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,760
What do you wear it your drunk? Wasn't that hot? She was

665
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,519
drunk? She was a noted alcoholic, noted alcoholic in fact, I get

666
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,679
I'll get this later, but essentially, when when she was eventually imprisoned instead

667
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,599
of torturing her, which they were
legally allowed to do, not like legally

668
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:54,639
loudly you can just torture anyone,
like before there was a country. Some

669
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,400
magistrate wrote like a torture order,
like, yep, a torture is good

670
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,599
for her. Yeah, good,
you were good torturing. Yet oh my

671
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:06,559
god, they didn't end up torturing
her because they just got her ship faced

672
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,880
okay, and just she would just
they gave her like unlimited alcohol and then

673
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:15,239
just got her to say kind of
torture. Well, it feunds like she

674
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,159
was tortured on her own, honestly, like she had a lot of inner

675
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,880
torment. Yeah, she this woman
was basically a mafia witch. Like sick

676
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,800
she was. She's sound besides the
baby killings, she's like sounds pretty badass

677
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:34,679
so far. She has parts of
things that I assume people would identify as

678
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,719
badass and other parts of things where
it's just like, oh no, you're

679
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,800
a murderer. Besides, the killing
of a baby might be the biggest hand

680
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,760
wave I've ever heard in my life
too, that a little baby killing thing.

681
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,239
Well we're talking about the abortion,
No, no, I'm talking about

682
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,599
like the pulled it out and then
killed it. Well, how much.

683
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,000
The abortions. I'm like, thank
you, Queen women's rights. Love this

684
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,920
seventeenth what year was she from?
Seventeenth centuries? The sixteen hundreds? And

685
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,599
I love this the seventeenth century feminist
icon. Do those abortions, the baby

686
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,320
the live baby killings. It's like
you're making her party look bad. How

687
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:13,800
often do you restock on baby blood
for your ritual? Oh? You know,

688
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,119
I'm not sure. Is that like
a once a year thing a refrigerator.

689
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:19,760
You gotta get it from the right. You don't, is what I'm

690
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,039
saying. Oh no, that's how
you get baby blood. By the baby

691
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:28,079
blood. There's a whole section on
baby blood witchcraft, like learned how to

692
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,400
you know, they don't know how
to refrigerate stuff. Not in the sixteen

693
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:37,480
hundre witches. It's nature based.
It's based on nature winter. You know,

694
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,280
she had a better baby blood supply
than you just fly in. And

695
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,280
this is not like they're good witches. Are bad witches, you know,

696
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,599
right, like the Wizard of the
Wizard of Us taught you that, Yeah,

697
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,599
this is the one that you want
to crush with the house, right,

698
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:57,440
Yeah, big time? Was she
green Man? Her picture she looks

699
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,559
like she should be green. Yeah, she is be lady. She looks

700
00:49:00,599 --> 00:49:04,239
like a nun. She does.
She is. I think everyone kind of

701
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,960
dressed like that. But yeah,
she is very nunnish in her appearance.

702
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:12,079
Um, she was on what's weird
is her pick man? Like? She

703
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,039
was only forty years old when she
died, but this picture makes her look

704
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:22,480
like sixty five. Everyone like this
is a good story picture. It's not

705
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,000
good. Well, she was only
this little man. She looked way older.

706
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,960
This isn't a forty year old woman. Like, that's okay, but

707
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,679
it looks like is that the dark
lord behind her? Yeah? I don't

708
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:39,519
know. It's some kind of weird
of the morning. Yeah, all right.

709
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:45,320
So anyway, her the way her
story began is actually both interesting and

710
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,400
pretty funny. So she married a
jeweler in Paris. Her husband his name

711
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,159
is not even worth knowing because this
guy, I said, wrote this later

712
00:49:53,239 --> 00:50:00,119
like maybe one of history's great cooks. Yeah. Love Song's husband's like by

713
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:06,840
like truly this I he's like he's
like Jerry and Parks and wreck like he

714
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:12,079
is just constantly shot upon. Oh
no, it's by her, by every

715
00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:17,239
by the world. So he's a
jeweler, marries her goes bankrupt and as

716
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,039
far as I can tell, like
just never gets a job again. So

717
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:25,800
she in his immediate bankruptcy is like, I'll make money. And so she

718
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,199
was fairly well educated. Um worked
as a midwife, which led to her

719
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:37,840
giving abortions. Um, and she
was also she learned how to tell fortunes

720
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,199
at the age of nine, so
she started like doing that for profit instead

721
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:45,280
of just ships and gigs. Yeah, um so really, what this is,

722
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,639
Veronica, is an intervention to tell
you you're heading down stop? Yeah,

723
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,920
no, I will just say to
clear the air. The like only

724
00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:04,679
rule in uh like wick is harmed. So she wasn't awakened, It wasn't

725
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,559
true some other kind of witch,
like very many Catholic priest did not live

726
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:16,360
up to her vows. Apparently.
Um so she was doing fortune telling for

727
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:21,159
a profit too. But she was
a midwife and started doing abortions and apparently

728
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,880
became like one of the go to
abortionists for the Royal French Court. Yeah,

729
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:30,239
there can't be that many, more
than you would think. I think

730
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,440
basic Why don't they do abortions back
then? Yeah, I didn't look that

731
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,199
up, but I feel like I
wish I knew it would be like inducing

732
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:43,840
a miscarriage with like a drug,
Penny Royals morning after one of the ways

733
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,480
you can induce what Penny royalty.
Do you think there are more doctors,

734
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:53,280
I don't know, Penny royalty,
Penny royalty, royal royal, and then

735
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:58,920
t's penny Royal. Um, I'll
have to look that up, you guys.

736
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,840
Can you made it like it was
Earl Gray? Like I was like,

737
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,320
I'm sorry, what it's mean's not
good for the baby. So you

738
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,000
know it's a kind of herb that
can drink a lake of tea. And

739
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,800
I will tell you, well,
so at this point in history, it's

740
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:20,639
a sixteen, like sixties or seventies
at this point, Like they're pretty good

741
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:25,119
at making poisonous things. Yeah,
so there's more many a way to induce

742
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,599
a miscarriage, I would assume so. But that's basically how she was doing

743
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:31,840
it as far as I know.
Um. Anyway, she was such a

744
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,719
prominent abortionist for the Royal court of
Louis the fourteenth the son king arguably like

745
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,239
the height of the French royalty,
the Bourbon dynasty, what Bourbon Street is

746
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,280
named for and all that stuff.
Um, she was so prominent. So

747
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,920
she was so prominent in giving abortions
for them that when after she went down,

748
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,000
Louis the fourteenth was like, don't
look into that part, Like to

749
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,199
the cops, it was like,
no, you don't need to look into

750
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,360
that. It's fine. So damn
yeah. Yeah, the pardoning that she

751
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,000
got, huh, just for that, just for that, well after she

752
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,440
was burned alive. Oh so what
do you mean don't look into it?

753
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:14,000
She did, Yeah, because it
was on him, because all abortion roads

754
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:20,800
led back to Louis the fourteenth.
Okay, dirty, uh and that's eventually

755
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,440
what kind of brings her down is
Louis the fourteenth dick dick Yeah, yeah,

756
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,360
well and her own kind of idiocy. But yeah, it's essentially it

757
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:35,159
all goes back to Louis the fourteenth
fucks too much and she got dragged into

758
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:39,320
it. So, okay, is
she doing real baby murders or is this

759
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:50,039
the seventeenth century Westboro Baptist Church saying
when you did so, the killing babies

760
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,559
doesn't have to do with the abortions. Okay, it is separate. It

761
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:59,159
is the killing baby thing is specifically
the black Mass stuff. And according to

762
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,199
uh, I'm kind of jumping around
a little bit, but according to the

763
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,239
many priests and of the Black Masses, that she performed or was part of

764
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,400
performing, because she was actually not
the priest. She'd set it up,

765
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,360
but she wasn't like, okay,
the priest of the Black Mass priests.

766
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,119
Yeah, well it was matt and
doing the right. But she would have

767
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:21,079
been a priestess and she was not. She was not. She was denied

768
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:25,360
that patriarchy. She was just she
just trying to find the patriarchy. You

769
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,239
know. Well, she could have
been the table. She might have been

770
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,679
the table on the altar. The
altars for the Black Masses were humans.

771
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:35,639
A naked woman. Okay, she
probably wasn't that. I feel like that

772
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,039
seems to like not that I'm not
a taball. Yeah, she's above tabling.

773
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:43,840
She was like, bitch, I'm
not a you're a table ball.

774
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,880
But essentially all the priests gave a
very similar account of how it went and

775
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,679
what they what they could figure out
for sure. They think it was either

776
00:54:52,519 --> 00:55:00,360
they bled a baby but didn't kill
it, killed the baby, or or

777
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,400
she was like, oh, your
baby died, Can I have it?

778
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,599
I need it for something. What
are you gonna do with that corpse?

779
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:14,440
It's kind of it's kind of shitty
the priests have said, or like the

780
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,800
testimony made it sound like there were
live babies involved. Not potentially every time,

781
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,760
but there were times that live babies
were involved. I will say if

782
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,119
I had lost a child and then
someone said, hey, do you want

783
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:29,760
to donate your child to this research? I was like, yeah, sure,

784
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:30,840
you know if it helps the world. It's like, yeah, help

785
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,800
one guy. He wants to make
a pact with the devil in my baby?

786
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:36,519
Right, yeah, no, I'd
be like, no, I don't

787
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:37,559
think so. I mean, but
I feel like they were all kinds of

788
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:40,239
fun up back then. Oh sure, Like what were they doing with the

789
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,840
babies anyway? Burying them? A
lot of baby graves if you go if

790
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,000
you go to a if you go
to a cemetery from around that time,

791
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,079
it's just a it's a baby grave
fest. Really, to be fair,

792
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,440
can I have the dead baby is
much better than killing a baby? Well,

793
00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,280
yeah, I agree with that.
So when I said that's it's not

794
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:07,119
that bad in comparison to cutting a
baby, my most recent context was she

795
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,599
killed babies. Sorry, no one, no one listening to this podcast could

796
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:15,880
cancel you. Maybe like three years
you're like, fuckab um, so,

797
00:56:16,119 --> 00:56:20,079
like I said, apparently her husband
just stopped working. She went into this

798
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,480
like full time, her fortune telling. Her fortune telling let her down a

799
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:28,800
dark magical path um. And one
of the things that stood out to me

800
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:32,639
was she could read a client's future
essentially by like reading their face and hands,

801
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,400
so she kind of knew what they
wanted or knew what they wanted to

802
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,239
hear, yeah, or could be
like you know, she's just a body

803
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,880
language expect exactly. And she said
she could do it by reading their face

804
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,960
and reading yeah yeah, which I
said that it was like you wear you

805
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,320
must work in the fields, and
you know some guy's hands are just like

806
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,880
broken the ship. So yeah,
four fingers on this one. Yes.

807
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,199
To be honest, I kind of
feel like that was probably pretty impressive at

808
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:59,360
that point, like where nobody was
like talking about anything and they were just

809
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,159
like, how did you know?
It was sad once, like how did

810
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:07,480
you know? Oh fu? Yeah, Like the amount of I think the

811
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:09,280
only like one of the main things
that's probably changed when people that and now

812
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:15,760
is just the sheer amount of skepticism. Yeah, yeah, true, because

813
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,840
the people that she went to or
that went to her, I should say,

814
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,760
we're pretty much like like very into
it, not even like you know

815
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:30,440
Dan or or like when I go
to Jackson Square back in the day,

816
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:32,880
like shit face and I'm like,
tell mee, I love that shit.

817
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,920
In New Orleans too, you just
walk up to an amateur fortune tell like,

818
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,239
I'll give you ten bucks. Yeah, they're like like these people come

819
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:44,559
like please, please, you must
help me. I'm in love and I

820
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,159
like. So. One of the
things was she eventually figured out that,

821
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:54,039
um, almost everyone that came to
her was either wanted love or someone to

822
00:57:54,119 --> 00:57:59,159
die. Yeah, those are the
two things that we all want. Two

823
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:01,880
things you need. Yeah, so
what else is there? Some asshold a

824
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:07,840
job please, And nobody was like, oh, I just wish my career

825
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:12,559
would work out, Like that wasn't
happening. I just want this raise on

826
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:15,639
this mud farm, goddamn it,
Like yeah, make my way up the

827
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:21,079
corporate ladder, like that wasn't happening. So like, yeah, they're just

828
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:24,880
pushing plows the entire time. Yeah, everyone's got a job in seventeenth century

829
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:30,840
for Yeah, you just happened to
be a poop smith. Sorry, you

830
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,039
have to shovel the king's shit.
Sorry, more often than not, you're

831
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,199
a shit shoveler. Yeah, in
one way or another. Absolutely. And

832
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,800
she was smart too, because because
she was a fortune teller instead. I

833
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,199
the more I hear, the more
I Likeneur. I love her. I

834
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:52,960
love that it's very aside from the
infant, aside from the infant sacrifice.

835
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,760
She more or less plays out like
a seventeenth century like tony soprano, Like

836
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:02,599
she sounds other than the baby.
It's the best hand wave ever. But

837
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:07,960
they're already dead. Well, well, if they're already bit of a a

838
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,639
little bit of bee from what I
can gather, you know, you get

839
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:12,840
a good batch, you get a
ball, a little bit of that.

840
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,760
You making another one. Uh well, it's a little harder back then to

841
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,000
make a baby sound like they were
pushing out like ten or eleven because they're

842
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,760
Yeah, they didn't have years of
like birth control rotting their ter eye.

843
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,920
Yeah, I'm pretty sure like nine
percent of the women died in childbirth.

844
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:43,719
No one had a moment. People
had a twentieth century invention moms. Moms

845
00:59:43,719 --> 00:59:46,840
were just recently invented. Yeah,
it was just a mean drunk dad.

846
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:53,039
You were raised by a horse.
I don't know, uh that you just

847
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:58,800
brush cried into its main but all
right, so she was she was smart

848
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,960
there like one thing you would each
she realized quickly one like I said that

849
01:00:01,239 --> 01:00:06,960
people showed up either being like kill
this person with your magic or make me

850
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,760
fall in love or give me love
or so she realized that, and so

851
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:15,679
she started catering to that by making
love potions out of like legitimately like which

852
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:22,639
stuff supplying to man, human blood, male teeth, toad bones. Whoa

853
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,800
this is like I was reading this
and I was like, this is just

854
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,199
cliche level, like yeah, get
it together. Moll teeth is harder to

855
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:34,519
come across than dead babies, like
I find a multie. And she was

856
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,239
a big She was a big operation. So like she had to have like

857
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:45,079
a mole clubber, Oh my god. Outside she had an Amazon like go

858
01:00:45,199 --> 01:00:50,000
club moles, shum jewels, gonna
get a job, go club moles these

859
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:54,199
club and moles bird talents. Out
in the field. She just had an

860
01:00:54,199 --> 01:01:00,639
assembly line yeah of clubbers bros.
Wait a like a hole like like a

861
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:09,800
yeah environment, yes, m she
would Also she realized very quickly that people

862
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:15,719
liked her more if she basically spooked
up her office. Oh that's like what

863
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,599
I wore my like black thing because
I was like, I want to look

864
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:22,280
spooky. Yeah, she made it. She made her her dress. Better

865
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,239
word spooky, it's called Brandon.
Yeah. Branding and marketing is the most

866
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,440
modern. If she was, if
she wasn't slitting the throats of infants,

867
01:01:31,519 --> 01:01:36,079
this woman would be a feminist icon. Yes, she'd be like the Steve

868
01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:38,639
Jobs of like appling up whatever,
the appling of something. She built.

869
01:01:38,679 --> 01:01:42,880
She built an empire, she really
did. And and this she really just

870
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,000
kept doing this stuff for a while, and she got more into like love

871
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:50,960
potions and would make aphrodisiacts and that
type of stuff. Oh, I wonder

872
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:53,320
what was in those. I didn't
give the recipe for that. Unfortunately,

873
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:58,320
m she got super rich and famous, and that's how she became known.

874
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,480
And she was in Paris, right, so she was in the center of

875
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:06,119
France. She sounds amazing. I'm
sorry, like I just god, that

876
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,880
life. Oh she's just like living
it up in Paris with her like husband

877
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,199
who was a jeweler, and then
like being a little witch. It just

878
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:15,719
sounds great. Gets better, Oh, who does it get better? So

879
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,679
she becomes essentially, like I said, famous in the court of Louis the

880
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:24,840
fourteenth which is based as far as
I know, uh, like the best

881
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,199
French royal court of all time.
Like that was the peak of the height

882
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:31,199
of France's power was under Louis the
fourteenth. Yeah, French corp. He

883
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:35,119
was known as the Sun King.
He built Versailles. I want to say,

884
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,840
do you so? Yeah? Like
he was a ball um love wass

885
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,800
in. Also, this is where
it comes back into the cuck thing he

886
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,440
was. This the husband was not
a cuck for being a jobless, mole

887
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:52,840
clubber. He was also cucked because
love was held six lovers aside from her

888
01:02:52,880 --> 01:03:00,480
husband, A little chef's kiss there. Yeah, I love her. Her

889
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:08,119
lovers included a noted executioner, Yes
you gotta have him, I know it.

890
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:15,519
Yeah, an alchemist and a magician. And I think this magician is

891
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:19,960
like a magician magician, not like
a Vegas magician. You know what.

892
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:25,480
I like the boy version of her. Yes, yeah, um. At

893
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:30,840
one point, what like Merlin,
Yeah like Merlin, Like she's fucking like

894
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:36,400
French Merlin. Yeah, it's actually
yeah, so I mean she this woman

895
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:40,000
is is doing it all at one
point, her poor husband. At one

896
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:45,880
point her uh love lessons magician lover
Adam Lesage tries to convince her to just

897
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,760
poison her husband, and I didn't
give a reason, so just presumably because

898
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:54,119
he was like worthless, and he
was like, just kill him, come

899
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:59,039
on, just kill this guy.
Is he is never This is the only

900
01:03:59,079 --> 01:04:02,880
other time her husban been Yeah,
it's never mentioned. He loses his job,

901
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:06,480
she has to take over the finances, and then the guy she's fucking

902
01:04:06,519 --> 01:04:12,960
openly wants to poison it. Why
what would the motive be? It sounds

903
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,239
like she's setting all the standards too. Four witches? So was it an

904
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:21,440
apple she used? Do you think? Well? It gets sadder? What's

905
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:26,360
his name? Lost the history?
I didn't even put it in because I

906
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:31,960
didn't think it was. His name
is Antoine mon Blesson. At least she

907
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:36,719
took his name, right, She
did take his name man, No,

908
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,440
no he didn't. She took his
name and made it hers. Yeah,

909
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,559
she stole his stole his name.
It's gonna be me. So at first,

910
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,039
love Lesson was like, yeah,
I might as well poison him,

911
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,480
Like what who cares about this guy? Like he's pretty worthless? And then

912
01:04:53,239 --> 01:04:57,880
she just changed her mind, So
I like have to think she like saw

913
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,119
him do something pathetic and was just
like, that's just it would just be

914
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:03,920
cruel to murder him in cold blood, Like I can't be any Misonary really

915
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:12,119
struggling with Hill. It doesn't Yeah, she kept fucking the six other guys

916
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,280
like that didn't stop. Yeah,
well polyamorous, she was just ahead of

917
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,719
her time. Were very behind it. And no, maybe she's like it

918
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:24,719
was like a Tommy relationship and success
she was polyamorous. I'm not sure so

919
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,880
much what he was able to get
away with, considering death was always around

920
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,800
the corner. I'm not sleeping with
someone that's married to a known poisoner,

921
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,960
right, Like that doesn't seem like
a good done. She was a good

922
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,480
lay back in the day, yes, fu Yeah dude, which shit,

923
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,960
Yeah, there's no way everybody else
is just doing missionary. Yeah she's no

924
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:45,800
more. Yeah. Well, first
off, she's French too, so they're

925
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,400
weird already. And then she's which
is even weird. I mean she's she'll

926
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:58,119
do anything. Yeah, you get
what if she was just like, why

927
01:05:58,119 --> 01:06:00,559
don't you show me your magic for
once? M I'm weird all day.

928
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:04,519
I can't do this on the skooky
shit. I just she's actually just the

929
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:10,480
worst lay Yes, I think the
chance of that is small. I think

930
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:14,440
she was probably fantastic and bed I
agree with I agree with that. I

931
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:18,599
would hope um so love lesson she
did, you know, a lot of

932
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:23,800
stuff. She became a very prominent
poisoner, a lot of potions and stuff.

933
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,519
But her big money maker was the
black mass oh oh and the part

934
01:06:28,599 --> 01:06:31,079
that yeah, this is what she
and so essentially it was this whole fucked

935
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:34,480
up ritual and had an altar that
was a naked lady made in a table

936
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:38,519
shape, you know, gym class
or something or what you would you have

937
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,920
to like stand like a table.
What do you do with the naked lady

938
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:47,119
after the ceremony? A lot of
times get stressed. Not always, but

939
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:53,639
a lot of times the naked altar
lady was the person making the wish.

940
01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:57,119
That sounds right. That's kind of
a contort. It was not always women

941
01:06:57,159 --> 01:07:01,920
making the wishes or anything, but
often to enhance the effectiveness, I guess

942
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:05,159
it would be a woman. Women
are more magical, Well, it would

943
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:09,159
be the woman who wanted it.
Specifically, the woman making the wish would

944
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:14,360
be the Yeah. But I feel
like like women are like intrigue and mystery

945
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:20,320
and men are like not yeah,
yeah, yeah, it has everything to

946
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:25,039
do with genitals. On's just like, oh there it is, like yeah,

947
01:07:25,159 --> 01:07:27,920
maybe so that's that's probably where it
came from here, right, there's

948
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,800
no necessary to the male genitals.
Nope, that's something. But I do

949
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:35,280
feel like women are more I don't
know, witchy, I mean yeah,

950
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,599
yeah, I mean I agree with
that. Yeah, I told well,

951
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:43,440
I've said this before, A little
tangent here. I don't think that racial

952
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:47,360
or gender profiling is ever right unless
you're in New Orleans looking for a tarot

953
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,360
reading, because the last person you
want is like some white guy named Roy.

954
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:59,760
I got a table over here,
Like at the very least that I'll

955
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,320
say, you will make me yeah. Otherwise it's like it's like going to

956
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,119
a sushi restaurant and it's a white
guy, or is anybody but an Asian?

957
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:14,800
Like you want a specific character to
chiscer Dan, you know these characters.

958
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:17,920
He's a characteristic he is one.
You know, some people are better

959
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,199
at certain things than others. I
don't agree with that. With cooking,

960
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:28,199
I think they do. It's the
aesthetics that you're looking. I'm barely dark

961
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:31,039
enough to give your Italian it works. Yeah, but here's the thing though,

962
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:34,119
The woman is the number one thing. Yeah, oh, gender is

963
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:36,800
I would rap, Yeah, gender
is first for me. I'd rather get

964
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,039
the reading from a woman than a
man. Yeah, but you don't want

965
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:45,079
like a blonde woman. You don't
want like Britney Snow giving you know you

966
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:47,119
aren't reading shit. I mean I'd
be thrilled to sit down Britney Snow for

967
01:08:47,119 --> 01:08:51,199
like five minutes. Yeah, but
yeah, not for not for that thing

968
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:57,199
that you like, uh humor someone
who looks like Britney Snow Like she's like,

969
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,000
oh my god, I know I
can I read them for you.

970
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,720
And you're like, whatever keeps me
in the room with you, it's fucking

971
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:08,960
great. Um yeah. But yeah. So but when I'm like going into

972
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:12,960
Jackson Square shit faced at you know, one in the morning, I'm looking

973
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,840
for easily the most voodoo person I
can find to give me the And that's

974
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,319
why, I mean, you're just
falling for the same ship that Lavoissan did.

975
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:26,880
She was like, I'm an make
it look witchier and yes, And

976
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,079
meanwhile, like Todd Stevens is in
the corner like this bullshit, I am

977
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:32,319
psychic and no one is coming to
me. Yeah. The guy the guy

978
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,439
just like the milktoast white dude.
He's like, I got struck by lightning

979
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,039
in a graveyard. I don't know
how to convey that with a look.

980
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:47,560
Uh actually ironically a very blond man. I feel I could be like pale,

981
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,159
like you're not gonna get a good
No, good news comes from that

982
01:09:50,199 --> 01:09:56,119
mad viking white like Scandinavia. Yeah, like his eyes. I'm just picturing

983
01:09:56,119 --> 01:10:00,520
like a slender man now, Like
I feel like that guy and do it.

984
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,079
Yeah, but I don't want to
know that that guy doesn't have deliver

985
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:08,079
good news. He speaks in whispers
and he doesn't blink. Yeah, yeah,

986
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,920
it's red eyes, like it's not
you don't You don't want an albino

987
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:16,960
giving you news. You don't have
much longer. Sorry, an albino listener,

988
01:10:17,119 --> 01:10:24,079
We do apologize, you know,
I'm willing to lose that listener.

989
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:29,199
Yeah. I look, I don't
have anything against albinos, but they're terrible

990
01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:32,279
for the crops. For the crop
yeah, never, it's never a good

991
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:38,479
sign and to the harvest. When
an albino walks into the much feel a

992
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,479
little mean. No, it's we're
getting a little mean. I am sorry.

993
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,800
It is. By the way,
I always say this, people don't

994
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,000
give south Park enough credit for creating
Ginger hate. That was not a thing

995
01:10:47,039 --> 01:10:51,760
before that episode. I swear to
God, no, it wasn't like it

996
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:57,479
became no south Park of I don't
get much credence to people saying South Park

997
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,680
is like evil usually but man after
that so people were like Gingers day Walker,

998
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,920
like yeah, So anyway, UM, don't do that with Albino's soft

999
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:12,399
core history listeners. We have no
problems with We are as influential as we

1000
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:19,439
know um as park Um all right, so love wa son um. During

1001
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:23,680
the mass, supposedly the ritual the
black mask, suppose the ritual was a

1002
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:27,159
baby was held above a bull on
the altar. The bulls on the altar,

1003
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,600
and that was a naked lady,
and blood from the baby was poured

1004
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,199
into the bull. They don't know
if it was living baby that they killed,

1005
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,720
a living baby, that they just
got a little blood out of a

1006
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:39,840
dead baby that she got either from
an abortion or just a regular miscarriage during

1007
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:45,640
her midwifing, or one that she
sent her husband to go gather in a

1008
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,520
wagon like just goes. I heard
a couple of babies died a town over

1009
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,800
go get go get them, go
get them. Yeah, go get dying

1010
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:59,800
fashion moles. Go grab a couple
of babies. However, um sorry,

1011
01:12:00,079 --> 01:12:02,760
um yeah, all right. So
love Lassans was doing all this very famous,

1012
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,359
very popular, especially with the court
of Louis the fourteenth. Her biggest

1013
01:12:06,359 --> 01:12:13,239
and most important client client was yeah, I mean they're clients was the Madame

1014
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,680
Madame de Montes. Uh, Louis
the fourteenth's main side piece for a little

1015
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,119
while. She had seven of his
kids. Wow, was not his wife.

1016
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:25,600
That's quite as his favorite. That's
his girlfriend. Well or they had

1017
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,319
sex seven times after six. I
feel like she's more than just a side

1018
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:33,079
piece, as my people would.
Well, he never had Kumba, he

1019
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:40,279
never had a main piece. Kumar
Kumar, Yeah, a friend, right,

1020
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:45,319
Kumar and Mario and you jump on
his head you do? Yeah?

1021
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:53,640
Um So this uh Madame de MONTESPM
was like weirdly obsessed with King Louis.

1022
01:12:54,079 --> 01:13:00,359
Um the king that it's a king
and the father just like that Kang.

1023
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:04,960
Yeah. So Louie Louie was I
mean Louie Louie fucked just everything he could

1024
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,239
see, but she was in love
with him, would do anything to keep

1025
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:15,880
him so like keep him like at
least like be his like main in the

1026
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:20,199
stable of like yeah, I don't
think she had any yeah yeah, yeah,

1027
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:23,359
none of that. But she was
like I want to still be like

1028
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,479
the favorite, sleeping in the king
bed everyone like most of the nights.

1029
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:30,399
So she had multiple black masses performed
to make sure that she stayed in his

1030
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,399
favor um for at least one of
the black masses, she was the altar

1031
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:39,439
herself, so that what with the
baby blood was kind of poured on.

1032
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:42,840
It's kind of fun to me because
it was just like they're like, I

1033
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,279
don't I don't know, it's not
working, Like maybe you be the altar

1034
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:47,319
this time. I don't know,
Like let's switch it up. Yeah we

1035
01:13:47,359 --> 01:13:50,000
could get like we could get like
that girl from town again. I know

1036
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:53,439
she needs the money, but like, I don't know, you try you

1037
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:57,279
try it this time and that might
work better. But how long these ceremonies

1038
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:00,119
are that you're in like tabletop position? A mean, oh is it hands

1039
01:14:00,119 --> 01:14:04,159
and knees? I was picturing it
is backwards. It's backwards in the pure

1040
01:14:04,199 --> 01:14:08,479
there's there's drawings of it and it's
like backwards. Yeah, that's what I

1041
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:14,039
was picturing, like tabletop, like
gymnastics at gem Boree. Yes, that's

1042
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:17,439
what it is. How long do
you have to maintain that position until the

1043
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,279
devil shows up? Okay, all
right, they probably had an awesome core

1044
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:26,359
ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, to
be fair, it is weird. Actually

1045
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:29,079
probably did have an awesome core,
which, if anything, maybe that's what

1046
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:35,239
kept Louis interested longer. Yeah.
Yeah, the craft works a mysterious way.

1047
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:40,000
That's like the misinterpreting magic. It's
like the Black Masters are working,

1048
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:44,560
but she's just like getting super toned. Did they care about that? No?

1049
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,079
Not, Actually they liked a fatty. She was the original. I

1050
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,720
don't know if they were if they
were definitely fatty. He's like a couple

1051
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:55,439
centuries before. Honestly, like I
probably would have been thriving and this like

1052
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,520
just like a little like fifteen to
lose, you know, I feel like

1053
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,479
that's the Yeah, I mean here
in kidding me, I'm my skin color.

1054
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,840
I would have who would have been
not white, not white, pale

1055
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:11,520
white, yeahostly white field hands.
Yeah. People would have seen Dan and

1056
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,600
been like, I'm sorry, is
all the wheat collected? What are you

1057
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:21,399
doing? Are gonna get you whipped? Like? Um? So she was

1058
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:27,239
doing stuff for her the Black Masses
for Malta Span to uh, you know,

1059
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,159
try and keep Louis interested, but
yeah, that wasn't working. So

1060
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:36,159
eventually Lava Sun made an aphrodisiac for
her to drug the king with and she

1061
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:39,520
put it in there and the King's
thing, but I think that just made

1062
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:44,119
him like fuck some other chick a
bunch, yeah him less horny back.

1063
01:15:44,199 --> 01:15:47,960
Yeah, it backfired completely and at
some point Manta Span literally just told the

1064
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:51,560
king. She was like, if
you leave me, I'm going to have

1065
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:57,359
you killed. And the King was
like lol and just like kept sucking other

1066
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,279
the one other woman in particular,
whose name I forget, not really important.

1067
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:04,159
So Montspon goes back to lave Lesson
and it's like, I need you

1068
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,840
to poison King Louis the fourteenth,
the most powerful king in the history of

1069
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:14,159
France, and also the chick he's
banging. And she should have left it

1070
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,479
at the chick he's banging. I'll
be honest, that was her be I

1071
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,239
think it would. She would have
been like why not just kill just kill

1072
01:16:19,279 --> 01:16:23,720
the girl? Yeah, just keep
killing all his girlfriends, right, And

1073
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:30,600
here's the crazy thing. Untas been
never suspected. What never suspected. Why,

1074
01:16:31,159 --> 01:16:35,840
wow, I don't know. That
is so dumb. Do you think

1075
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,920
she had to register her poison like
gun control? H No, poisons when

1076
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:45,720
we're very unready. Although what's weird
is poison was like a thriving industry,

1077
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,119
like not like not even like a
black market, Like it would be easier

1078
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:54,680
to get poison to kill someone with
them, based on how I was reading

1079
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:59,840
this stuff than it would be to
just get like cocaine today. Dan,

1080
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,159
Yeah, um, that's why I
feel like it's taking the already dead baby.

1081
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:06,640
Wasn't that bad at the time?
Sure? No, at the time.

1082
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:12,399
A lot of death if they're just
like slinging poison. You just want,

1083
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,159
you want to stand for love?
Wasson very bad. I do.

1084
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,039
I stand her. I stand her
so hard. She could be a Halloween

1085
01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:23,199
costume one year for you. You
just said she's like the ugliest woman you've

1086
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:27,479
ever can make it like hot,
I don't know hot, ugliest woman.

1087
01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:30,600
That's just a great one to explain
at a party, will worry, Well,

1088
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,479
I'm like a better looking version of
this really famous witch you've never heard

1089
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,000
of. Let me tell you about
it. Yeah, yeah, I think,

1090
01:17:35,039 --> 01:17:38,479
which is just how you go with
that I mean people, yeah,

1091
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:42,039
you just be a witch. Just
be a witch. Fair enough. Um.

1092
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:44,199
So at first, love Was Scene
is like, I don't know,

1093
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:47,920
man, that's the king. Uh. And finally but the woman convinced her

1094
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,479
to do it, so love Usen
was down. One of love Was Scene's

1095
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:55,479
main associates was like, all right, this is a bad idea. Please

1096
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:57,000
don't do this, and she was
like no, I'm gonna do it.

1097
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:00,880
And he's like okay, and he
tried to slap together a fortune, like

1098
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:02,600
like a fake one. Yeah,
like fake out but yeah, to fake

1099
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,399
out and me like, oh see, it's telling you it's bad. And

1100
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:10,279
she was like I know, she's
like half real it best. Yeah,

1101
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,720
yeah I'm doing it. And I
think so obviously like even if you're just

1102
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,399
banging the king, you're rich,
you know what I mean, She's not

1103
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:23,199
like this wasn't like some like yeah
yeah, so this is like a noble

1104
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:28,199
woman. So people are getting paid, yeah quite a bit. So they

1105
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:31,359
poisoned like this petition because you could
just come petition the king on certain days

1106
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:35,479
and they poisoned this like paper petition. But there were so many petitioners that

1107
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,520
the king is like fucking not today
because he could do what everyone and confuse

1108
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:45,439
the king. Um so eventually nothing
comes of it. They're gonna plan another

1109
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,680
one, but another witch. Also, somebody probably died touching that paper.

1110
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,279
No one did die touching it.
They had it burned. Um ok,

1111
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,680
yeah they safely were probably very safe. Is very green. Yeah yeah,

1112
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,960
they just gave it to her husband. Toss this out. Yeah, hey,

1113
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,960
Antoine, throw in the throws in
the garbage. Should I wear gloves?

1114
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,840
I don't care? Figure it out? Yeah. Um so, But

1115
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,199
in the meantime, like I said, poison was easier to get than in

1116
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:19,439
the like sixteen seventies sixteen eighties France. Then cocaine is now in the United

1117
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:25,760
States of America, So like she
wasn't operating for like necessarily that long killed

1118
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,520
two thousand people or helped kill two
thousand people. A hit man, she

1119
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,399
didn't kill him. Yeah, she
was like she the weapons dealer. Essentially,

1120
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:39,960
Oh yes, I told you she's
the mafia witch. Right, So

1121
01:19:41,399 --> 01:19:46,359
essentially what happens is, uh,
some other which slash poison dealer gets arrested

1122
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:56,039
for poisoning another royal and this witch
rolls over on love lesson we got snitch,

1123
01:19:58,279 --> 01:20:00,640
Yeah, breaking the witch code she's
like this so this, which is

1124
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,640
like you don't know the fucking half
of it. When she gets arrested and

1125
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:09,680
they're like how many poison as I
that, She's like they're everywhere, like

1126
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:15,640
yeah, she's like the whole fucking
city, and so they eventually and she

1127
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,439
she's like, you think I'm bad, Like, I know, bitch tried

1128
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:25,560
to kill the king. Oh girl, Yeah, that feels unnecessary rolled over.

1129
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:30,800
It feels like she could have like
just snitched less aggressively. You know,

1130
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:33,520
she was trying to I mean,
she was shooting her shot. I

1131
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:41,560
get it. You gotta avoid getting
burned at the steaks. What I feel

1132
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,279
like, you got to slow play
the information released just to live longer,

1133
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:50,199
right, yeah, you just show
your cards, right, prolong? It's

1134
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:56,439
worth mentioning. As we said earlier, torture is legal. Yeah, maybe

1135
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,880
you let it all out at once
then yeah, yeah, torture is legal.

1136
01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:02,399
Like yeah, like there's no like
what kind of torture. Torture got

1137
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:06,279
to have some cards in your back
pocket. A man torture, I would

1138
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:15,319
squeal like a pig bad, like
like it's never fun, so bad,

1139
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,399
the worst torture. But she was
a torture. I think would be torture

1140
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:28,640
kinks? Would she had her kinks? I don't think those were the kinks.

1141
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,880
Yeah, it's never getting stretched in
half. Yeah, like her only

1142
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:34,560
kink was like torturing her husband.
Really was it her getting tortured? She

1143
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,159
was just getting a missionary like we
said, she like, it's I was

1144
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:41,640
weird all days. Just let me
lay down. You do the work.

1145
01:21:42,079 --> 01:21:45,960
You're a magician, Adam, you
do it, make it magical. Yeah.

1146
01:21:45,239 --> 01:21:50,760
Um so love Wasson gets arrested,
goes to jail. They're legally down

1147
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,800
there, legally legally allowed to torture
her. They getting order like a judge

1148
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:59,159
like writes it like it's a warrant, like literally one torture kind right up.

1149
01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:00,840
Yeah, Like I need to touch
it on the witch. And they're

1150
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:11,399
like the witches good, it's been
so much fun just pulling the shit out

1151
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:15,359
of your ass, Like, oh, we gotta torture a witch to the

1152
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:25,680
world like you at the just like
you've got torture a witch. Yeah,

1153
01:22:25,800 --> 01:22:29,840
there's another witch to torch. You
get tome from work. He's like he's

1154
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:35,119
pleasing us, so many witches to
touch my hand, goes home to his

1155
01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:39,119
wife. He's just like I don't
know if I got it in me anymore.

1156
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:42,079
And then she puts his wife,
he's tired, can't fuck her,

1157
01:22:42,119 --> 01:22:44,960
and she puts an afrodisiac from a
witch in his drink, and it comes

1158
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,560
full circle. It's a vicious cycle. Yeah. And that's the other thing

1159
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:51,239
too, is it was so prevalent
in Paris at the time that like these

1160
01:22:51,279 --> 01:22:54,039
women were like bold about it.
You would think, like, oh,

1161
01:22:54,079 --> 01:22:56,880
witches have to hide. They were
going like door to it like a shop.

1162
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,399
Yeah, like a little apothecary.
Yeah, it was a to carry

1163
01:23:00,399 --> 01:23:02,960
alchemist type thing um. And they
would even get to investigate sometimes. La

1164
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:08,399
Boston was like, uh, she
had to testify before the Sorbonne the university

1165
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:12,000
to like some professors, to like
explain herself. And she would It wasn't

1166
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:15,279
like fully black magic. Like she
would sometimes be like, you need to

1167
01:23:15,319 --> 01:23:16,840
go to this church and ask the
saint what's up? Kind of the same

1168
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,800
way, yeah, okay with kind
of with the Toureau cards and and like

1169
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,039
you said, with your altar,
you have like a virgin marry one,

1170
01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:26,760
you know what I mean. It
was mixed. It wasn't just like reject

1171
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,960
Jesus, right, it was it
was more just like just doing what feels

1172
01:23:31,039 --> 01:23:34,800
right. Yes, embrace what there's
value and any god you think of there's

1173
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:39,479
value. Yeah. Embrace the energy
like I'm I'm gonna embrace where the energy

1174
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:44,920
is pointing. Yeah. Uh So
anyway, they're authorized, they're they're authorized

1175
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,079
to torture, like I said earlier. But they decided to just get her

1176
01:23:46,079 --> 01:23:49,800
ship face and said because she's a
bit. She's a huge alcoholic. Um

1177
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:55,159
you'd have to be with all the
baby killings. Yeah, she just likes

1178
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:58,640
the fucking party. I mean she
sounds like she might. So another thing

1179
01:23:59,239 --> 01:24:03,039
she really I mentioned earlier she also
like pretty much hosted nightly parties at her

1180
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:09,720
place for the Royalty of France.
Jesus Christ. She is an icon socialite.

1181
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,079
She's a socialize. There would be
like violin music, which was like,

1182
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:17,199
I mean having a violin, Yeah, ariana grinddey playing every night at

1183
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:20,800
your house. This person knows an
instruments. It's a pretty big so,

1184
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,000
I mean people would be like you
in love with ends to night, you

1185
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:29,680
gonna be there, there's a violin
us there. It's like, but dude,

1186
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,920
all right, But if she asked
me if I have a pregnant wife

1187
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,119
again, I'm gonna lose it,
like I just want to have a good

1188
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:38,079
time. Yeah, I mean imagine
back then, just seeing somebody throw powder

1189
01:24:38,199 --> 01:24:42,560
into a stew and causing like a
chemical reaction. That had to be Yeah,

1190
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,479
it must have been pretty mind blowing
when you don't know about like anything.

1191
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:50,479
Yeah, I'm mind blown. But
when iPhone has cool new shit,

1192
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,960
yeah, I'm like, fuck is
it twenty eighty? I was thinking of

1193
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:58,079
that. Did you guys in science
class? Did your teachers ever make like

1194
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:00,720
elephant toothpaste? Yeah, that experiment, it's like, ye, all the

1195
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,560
time the thing that you put like
its foam gets created. Yeah. No,

1196
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,279
if you could impress eight year olds
with it, now you could impress

1197
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:13,239
adult humans with it. Because remember
how much that ship blew your mind?

1198
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:18,439
Or even when you put your your
your soapy finger into a thing of salts

1199
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,560
or a pepper and it like goes
spread it you're like wow, yeah,

1200
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:25,520
still a little bit. I'm like
wow, Well, we all grew up

1201
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,479
right before the era when you could
just look anything up at any time,

1202
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,840
right, Yeah, so it was
so we're basically them, Yeah, we

1203
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:38,800
all really, that's I mean,
what is the difference between us and then

1204
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,720
if the Internet never got invented,
I'd be handed over infants to anyone who

1205
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,319
could promise me a fortune. If
You're never happened, we wouldn't be doing

1206
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:46,279
this right now, that's really true. You could be on the radio.

1207
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:54,119
Yeah I don't sound like this all
the time. Welcome back to the Black

1208
01:25:54,199 --> 01:25:58,239
Mass. I'm rab box. And
but yeah, so she was also hosted

1209
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,279
like parties like every night, and
I mean she was super popular, so

1210
01:26:01,359 --> 01:26:06,279
anyway better she went on trial.
They found her guilty in like two days.

1211
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:11,399
She was sentenced to be burned at
the steak. Then they tortured her

1212
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,199
between the trial and the sentence.
Let's just even get anything else out of

1213
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:20,079
her. So then they tortured her. Supposedly they're varying accounts. What kind

1214
01:26:20,119 --> 01:26:24,760
of torture they didn't say, but
I imagine in that day it's a lot

1215
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:29,199
of like burning, cutting, you
know, I hate that. For her,

1216
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:31,880
it wasn't great, and she was
apparently quite terrified when they tied to

1217
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:41,279
the steak, kicking like the hay
away, like pretty bring me to the

1218
01:26:41,359 --> 01:26:46,000
fire. Yeah, it was essentially
she was not like the fire can't hurt

1219
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:48,840
me, the devil's coming like that. She was like, no, this

1220
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,800
is gonna hurt bad. It's one
of the worst ways to die. Yeah.

1221
01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,079
Yeah, there's so many bad ways. All of them are pretty bad.

1222
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,960
Fire's got to be top five.
Although the apparently you suffcate before you

1223
01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:05,439
you yeah, sucked out of your
lungs. Yeah, it sounds better.

1224
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:12,760
It's not your skin still feel your
feet? Oh yeah, it's awful.

1225
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,840
It's you're dead before your horse.
The worst one. The worst one is

1226
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,680
in the Spanish Inquisition when they would
just drop you in boiling oil. They're

1227
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:25,119
deep for you. Oh my god. What about the Brown's bowl or the

1228
01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:28,720
bronze bowl. That's actually not real. That's been to bunk. That was

1229
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:31,239
made for an exhibit, So that's
something. There would be a bowl made

1230
01:27:31,239 --> 01:27:34,800
of metal and they would put it
over hot coals. They'll put you in

1231
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,239
it, and they'd put you in
it, and they'd roast you inside of

1232
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:40,800
it and it would melt and this
you would melt inside of it, and

1233
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:43,880
smoke would come out of the nose
and people would make these groans. You

1234
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:46,039
bully, you have to ruin that
for me. It's not real. I

1235
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:50,600
don't think it was ever used.
I hate I mean bowl bul Yes,

1236
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:55,479
bronze bowl or brass bowl whatever.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.

1237
01:27:55,880 --> 01:28:00,479
Sounds terrific, though, why I
just mm, the thing that was

1238
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,039
always the worst didn't have no movies
back then. Yeah, nothing to go

1239
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:09,239
do. I know? It's really
true how comfortable people were with like live

1240
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,960
people getting hurt. Do you know. Uh. The actor Christopher Lee,

1241
01:28:14,319 --> 01:28:15,680
he's in a bunch of stuff.
He was like the bad wizard in the

1242
01:28:16,039 --> 01:28:19,319
in the second Lord of the Rings
movie. He's in a million movies.

1243
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,800
Stopped speaking nerd to me. I
don't know, and you have coming from

1244
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:27,159
the fucking witch that just showed up, Like, I guess that's actually more

1245
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:30,439
scary than oh right. Christopher Lee
is a famous actor. He died not

1246
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,840
that long ago. He was in
the Star Wars movies. Tous Count Dooku

1247
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:39,880
in the Star Wars movies. Uh, when he was seventeen. When he

1248
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:45,000
was seventeen, Uh, he witnessed
a guillotine beheading in Paris, no way

1249
01:28:45,119 --> 01:28:46,680
and not like a not like a
big one where a thousand people were in

1250
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,680
the square. He was just like
walking down the street and like, oh,

1251
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:54,560
we were killing the criminal real quick. Wait, And it's like the

1252
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,359
nineteen thirties. Yeah, yeah,
they didn't get rid of the guillotine for

1253
01:28:57,399 --> 01:29:00,520
a while. I'm pretty sure you
could hang somebody in Delaware until like nineteen.

1254
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:04,359
I feel guillotine is like not that
bad compared to a lot of these

1255
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:09,479
very quick yeah, although there are
horror stories about the guillotine where working well

1256
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,159
where you people would want to be
first because the blade would dull. Yeah,

1257
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:15,880
so they'd have to do it like
two, three times on the last

1258
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:24,359
guy, yeah, one more,
Yeah, just hanging on by a thread

1259
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:28,279
came in mind. Love Lesson was
this was pre guillotine, I believe.

1260
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,600
But love Lesson was having sex with
an executioner as well. So I've didn't

1261
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:34,520
this bitch poison herself before that that's
the thing. She didn't have access to

1262
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,800
the poise, but she had access
to alcohol. Just drink yourself to death.

1263
01:29:38,119 --> 01:29:43,880
I feel like she could have quickly
concocted some kind of painless poison to

1264
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:45,640
just kill herself. Didn't have like
a cyanide pill. Well, she also

1265
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,560
had like she could have hung herself
too. This is honestly, this is

1266
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:55,720
her only fault, so that she
didn't poison herself before. Maybe she wanted

1267
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:00,239
just the full witch experience. I
was, she just wanted ironic, don't

1268
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:05,119
you think, Yeah, well you
need is poison. But yeah, that

1269
01:30:05,279 --> 01:30:09,239
is the story of Lovelessen, one
of the most famous witches who ever lived.

1270
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:15,920
She had one child, Marguerite momssen
Um. That child eventually, uh

1271
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:19,560
testified because she also went to jail
because she was part of the little witch

1272
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:25,279
mafia too. Of course that King
louise Um side piece, main piece,

1273
01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:28,479
whatever you want to call it,
was involved in a plot to poison King

1274
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,520
Louis. Yeah, and anyway,
nothing ever suld happen to that girl.

1275
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:36,000
So that girl, Marguerite like went
on to have like babies and we don't

1276
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,399
know and like her descendants are among
the Oh I meant the woman who tried

1277
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,920
to kill Louis that got love was
seen killed. Nothing ever happened to her.

1278
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:46,159
She died an old woman, happy
and healthy. Um. Yeah,

1279
01:30:46,319 --> 01:30:50,399
and she actually rumor has it was
part of the testifying, like part of

1280
01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:56,279
the counsel against the Yeah, against
the witch. Right, Yeah, that

1281
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,479
is not even right. Yeah,
but that is a story of you know,

1282
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:02,760
people alway think of which is as
a Puritan situation, I'm an American

1283
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:08,520
situation, yeah, or basically Joan
of arc but like yeah, which in

1284
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:13,800
sixteen eighties sixteen seventies France, France, like witchcraft was a booming business.

1285
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:21,520
I love it me too, mostly
involved poison a ken a full Ambrams thoughts

1286
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,880
thoughts, Daniel, Well, I
didn't prepare it for this podcast, Rob,

1287
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:30,920
so I was fully expecting the Salem
witch trials. You prepared by bringing

1288
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,600
the equipment. Yeah, you're always
prepared. Yeah the way. Um,

1289
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:38,600
I will say, I think I
mentioned it in the beginning of the podcast.

1290
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,840
We'll say, I think it's an
interesting topic. I love talking about.

1291
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,560
I really like the front end of
this. I always think, you

1292
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:46,880
know, this kind of stuff is
really cool. To thank you again Bronica

1293
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,000
for doing terrible reading. I enjoyed
that quite a b I think, you

1294
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:53,560
know, if there's some digital reading
anyone wants to get into, there's a

1295
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,319
plethora of stuff. UM, definitely
dive into some Carl Young. I think

1296
01:31:57,359 --> 01:32:01,319
that, yeah, it's like,
well he's a one of the big psychologists.

1297
01:32:01,399 --> 01:32:04,159
And then look up love us in
because as far as all the topics

1298
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:08,359
goes, it's probably the one I
did the least well because I knew that

1299
01:32:08,399 --> 01:32:11,039
we would have less time, like
the least detail than you would have less

1300
01:32:11,039 --> 01:32:13,520
time than than than usual because we're
doing the reading as well. So I

1301
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,960
definitely read more up on her.
She is quite the fucking character. Her

1302
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:21,359
poor husband, I don't want more
clubb Wow, maybe he was into it.

1303
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:27,600
He might have been all right well
to LV you know, yeah,

1304
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:31,439
to love Les and Veronica. Any
final thoughts, um no, I mean,

1305
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,920
that's not what I do, but
just that you stand love less,

1306
01:32:35,079 --> 01:32:41,479
I do stand. But yeah,
I mean I feel like I feel like

1307
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,239
I should just go ahead and say
that if somebody's into what she should,

1308
01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:49,359
they're not into baby murder, you
know, don't discriminate, don't hate.

1309
01:32:50,119 --> 01:32:54,600
But it's very peaceful. It is
very peaceful in her theme. I mean,

1310
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,319
after just listening to all this,
I feel like she said the standard

1311
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:02,319
for what it meant. Maybe you
think maybe she's why it's scary. I

1312
01:33:02,399 --> 01:33:05,600
think so. I think probably there's
a huge scandal at the time, So

1313
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:12,439
one of the reasons that King Louis
covered up the abortion stuff and because he

1314
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:15,079
was, like, I like,
he was already surrounded by scandals because of

1315
01:33:15,159 --> 01:33:17,840
her and all the other witches tied
to his board, so he was like,

1316
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:24,199
I can't have this shit, Like
just he just seems like a little

1317
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:29,840
He seems like a fun boy.
Wasn't he built Versailles? Big fuck boy?

1318
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:35,079
Yeah? I think he built for
some let huh so he probably did.

1319
01:33:35,319 --> 01:33:41,199
Yeah, he did did before kind
of history podcast. You shouldn't say

1320
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:44,840
it if it's wrong. Yeah,
all the bastard children he had, they

1321
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:49,840
probably built it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Louis the fourteenth was the

1322
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:54,159
first one. Anyway, great design
skills that Louie. Well, he didn't

1323
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:57,439
design it. He was just like, here's like all the gold in the

1324
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,640
world. We just set up shop
in America. We got a lot of

1325
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,399
new money. Let build some shit. I love it. Yeah, but

1326
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:10,359
yeah, thank you guy, Thank
you Veronica for joining us telling me that

1327
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:15,600
I have a gambling problem. You
told yourself yourself, just covered it on

1328
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:16,920
your own. And now I feel
like I'm gonna go on just like a

1329
01:34:17,119 --> 01:34:19,960
bad run if I continue to gamble. So now it's in my head.

1330
01:34:20,119 --> 01:34:24,680
The magic was in you the whole
time, and that's the magic was the

1331
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:27,720
friends we made along the way.
It's always the friends. We mean,

1332
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,359
you know, it's weird. The
tower is square and the swords were sharp.

1333
01:34:30,520 --> 01:34:32,920
What does that mean, rob Wait? Yeah, no, it means

1334
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:39,079
oh sharps and squares. So do
we We've been saying this all year long,

1335
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:43,319
like maybe sharp as the new square, like all these there's all these

1336
01:34:43,399 --> 01:34:45,680
websites given all out, all this
information about who's bet and what. You

1337
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,920
think that the you thought that the
only way remember that the sword card you

1338
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:53,079
thought the only way. You know, you you thought that those were the

1339
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:56,880
only two ways, the sharps.
I don't have to give up gambling.

1340
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:00,520
I have to give up taking the
sharp side. Just go square. Yeah,

1341
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:01,319
just do what you think. Wait, that's what you have to give

1342
01:35:01,399 --> 01:35:06,079
up doing is being the devil's advocate
to everything. Yeah, stopping a contrarian.

1343
01:35:06,199 --> 01:35:10,079
Yeah, just go with go with
the flow. Let's go with it.

1344
01:35:10,399 --> 01:35:12,760
We might have discovered something here.
Damn we just made a breakthrough.

1345
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:17,479
Glad to help. I'm also a
therapist, So thank you. Yeah,

1346
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:23,079
oh those tarrets. But anyway,
thank you Veronica, Uh, thank you

1347
01:35:23,319 --> 01:35:27,880
Jake, and thank you Dan.
As always like and subscribe softcore History.

1348
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:31,920
Share it with your friends, please, I'm sorry we say that every week.

1349
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,479
What do they like? It on
iTunes? Spotify? Okay, it's

1350
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:40,239
always iTunes controls everything, It's on. It's on every platform, though,

1351
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:44,960
Tell a friend obviously, the production
quality is going up, so you don't

1352
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,399
have to go over that hurdle anymore
with a new listener. I swear to

1353
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:51,399
god it's funny. You just just
give it a chance. I'm like three

1354
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:58,079
dead ass cats. Uh. But
yeah, so please rate share all that

1355
01:35:58,199 --> 01:36:01,079
shit. Um, yeah, thanks
for listening. We've gone We've gone kind

1356
01:36:01,079 --> 01:36:03,640
of long this week, so pretty
long. So well, yeah we'll see.

1357
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:09,520
But yeah, you just got self
served oom bitch, which which