Welcome to Softcore History. Hello, and welcome to another episode of Softcore History,
the number one podcast for MVPs of third place trivia teams. I am
your host, Rob Fox, and as always, I am joined by our
producer and co host, Dan Rejester. What up? What up? Hey?
How you doing kid? We got a little a little nice setup going
right now. Yeah, yeah, hopefully it sounds a little bit better,
a little bit fresher, a little bit swaggy. I hope you liked the
audio, Dan, you want to run them through what we're talking on today.
I'm just kidding. I don't want to know that, Okay. Yeah,
And I'm also joined by Jake Jake Goldman. Hey, it's good to
be here. Um. I'm really excited for today's episode because I get to
know Dan's future. We do get to know Dan's future today, and that
is because we're joined by a very special guest. Our former creative call league
at Grandex, the former head of Total Sorority move dot com. If you
were a fan of us in our TFM TSM days, and current purveyor of
the Dark Arts, Veronica Ruck. What's up, guys, how you doing
good? It's good to be you know, creating with you guys again,
it is it's been too long, it's been it's been a while. I
don't know. Creation's a little different though, these days, huh it really?
Yeah? Yeah. It started out as sorority girl writing columns about why
it's okay to use the word like too much, and now I'm a gay
witch. To be fair, I was gonna says the turnaround. Quite a
pivot. Honestly, that all just sounds like you writing feminist stuff. To
be honest, it's like, don't shame me for my language. Don't shame
me for my language. I still say light yeah, and now you're just
fully into Dayton Chicks and being a witch. Well sure, yea. My
sexuality as a whole could be a whole other podcast, but it really could.
The very abbreviated version, yes, sure, yeah, I'm dating.
I don't want to explain it. Version, that's fine. I'm a little
nervous to find out my future. I don't know if I want this.
This is why we picked you because me and Jake would be like, oh
wow, neat, no fuck that. Yeah, I know, this is
why you got picked. I actually and just for the record, Veronica did
this for me and my wife earlier during quarantine. It was very insightful.
I think Veronica picked up on a lot of she picked up on. She
drew a card and she was like, oh, did you just get like
a new house or job? And I had started a new job, like
I hadn't even started it yet, like I just accepted the offer that day.
So I was pretty impressed by that. She did an equally compelling one
for myself and Courtney, yeah, my wife, and so I am excited
to hear her very accurate predictions about so what. I don't even I think
we skipped a step here, Veronica. We need to do this, guys,
Yeah, we stopp being scared. Veronica is here to do two things.
So Veronica is um ah well as far as any of us are concerned,
both listener and hosts and expert with sort of wiccan or wicca and uh
and tarot cards, I say, okay, I have heard people pronounce it
tarrow. I say taro. It's not as bad to me as tarret.
People like a carrot. It's for sure tarret card. You would say,
like a carrot. It rise with faroh, not with carrot. Yeah,
Tara hit me with those tarot cards. I know I did get a little
jersey there for a second taro. But yeah, so Veronica's first thing,
Uh, she's gonna kind of explain a little bit of the background on this,
but then we're going to peer into and laugh at Dan's future, my
poor soul via the cards, um and what they tell us. But Ronica,
um, why don't you just tell us to start out with because it's
spooky month or holiday Halloween hoorn Halloween horrornights on Halloween, horror horrors. The
second time that's been it's horror nights horror pronunciation thing, Yeah, Halloween horror,
Halloween horrors. Let's hear it for them though, honestly, yeah,
there are no Halloween horse this year, because there's gonna be no they are
there are They're just getting COVID along with chlamydia. It's a double down.
Can you imagine? Actually that that's the thing now, it's like that asshole
Brian gave me fucking COVID and the clap clap, like, yeah, you
killed my grandma, Brian. Well, and that's also the whole thing.
Now, it's like, oh, when was the last time you were tested
for? What? You gotta swab in my nose, swabbing my people.
Yeah, it's totally cool that you hit it raw, but like maybe wear
a mask, but maybe wear a mask. Yeah, do you bring protection?
At this point, we need to repopulate the planet, So don't wear
a condom. We need these people back were a condom. Unless you're trying
specifically to make babies, that's bad advice. That's probably fair. That is
very like two and twelve advice. Have a better pull out game. Come
on, really it works pretty well. Yeah, I'm trying to have a
kid right now, and I've learned that you really can't get people pregnant at
will. I don't understand how, I guess I kind of do. I
don't understand how, Like a lot of teenagers get pregnant though, Well,
because they're more fertile than we are in the peak, they just opulate longer,
basically, must I don't have ton of eggs just coming out. Well,
they do have more eggs, Yeah, they have more eggs than I
do. I thought it was still like once a month though, sure,
But so you're born with however many eggs you have your whole life, and
so at first it's like, great, let's be getting rid of these eggs,
like in shooting a bunch out and then it's eventually like, okay,
well we have these to give you, and they're like weaker and not as
good. Yeah yeah, like penny pension with yours for a certain point.
But anyway, we're not here to get we're doing us. This was a
sex aid lesson. Yeah, well it always kind of turns into that,
and there's me a lot a little bit of sex later on. UM,
love that for us. Yeah, for sure, it's gonna be if you
guys have read it, it's gonna be part of which craft accult sex.
Uh say it's but tell us a little bit about the trough cards and so
yeah, okay, so let me just start how I got I'm pretty new
to all this. It was last year amateur which a future I am an
amateur witch. But to be fair, you seem like the type of guy
who would skimp on a surgeon, So stop complaining. Well I don't have
health insurance, rob, So yeah, the back alley looks pretty good.
Um. Anyway, so you guys have known me a long time. I've
always been like super into Halloween, like always, so I've always kind of
been like a drawn a little bit to this stuff. And last year for
Halloween, I was like, I'm going to make one of my decorations.
I'm going to make like an altar, like I wanted to be really spooky
but as ray as Catholic. So I was like, fuck, um,
I don't need to like invite the devil here by accident. So I started
researching it and like, probably July, because that's when Halloween starts. To
me, it does, um. I mean, if you don't have your
costume planned out by ready ready to go by October first, you're too late.
Like my wife is. She's not as in as hardcore into the costumes
as you as you but like I would say about by the first of August,
she's like telling me it's time to buy pumpkins. But it is you
have to be you don't want to miss it. It's not that long.
I like a season. I don't know, so um, I started looking
everything up and I was like, kind of I was raised Catholic, kind
of like being atheists for a while because I was like, I don't know
if this all makes sense to me. Then I started reading about like Wicca
is where I started, and Wicca is like an ideology, like witchcraft is
like what you practice, and Wicca is an ideology. It's like a religion.
Um, and it's a form of paganism. So right, we would
have like a Christianity is to paganism, Wicca is Catholicism. Witchcraft is like
going to mass or praying. Yeah, so loosely right, um. Yeah,
So I started looking it up, and I started with Wicca because there's
just the most information on it and a lot of people who like are witchy.
People kind of like look down on that a little bit because I think
it's just the most popular and it's very like it's kind of like secrety because
is obviously there's a lot of persecution, so there's just like a culture of
like kind of keeping it to the chest, and Wicka is just much more
public. So I think a lot of people start there. That reminds me
of like the like this isn't quite the same, like the dynamic of like
like a lot of kids like are just like goth for a year. Sure,
yes, And I think that is totally how some people look at it,
like Okay, you're just like dipping your toe in and like I don't
know if you count so a little experimental face, Yeah, I think a
little bits. The most wicka they get is like hot topic. Sure,
sure so I m but in reading about it, I was like, I'm
kind of like this. The first thing that really drew me in is um.
The way that the religion is set up is that there is a God
and a goddess that are equal. So it's just and some people take it
literally to mean like that there is an actual deity, and some people myself,
like I'm more metaphorical about it, that like there is an equal masculinity
and femininity in the universe and like they need to be in balance with each
other. And like, to me, like I've said shit like that forever,
Like I don't know, so it really spoke to me. I really
liked that. And then everything else is about really honoring nature. It's a
nature based religion. UM, and that's pretty much how I practice like for
now, like I feel there's so much that I don't know. There is
so much and I don't I'm sure you don't have like a ton of witch
listeners. Maybe a couple, I don't know, if you what do we
even call our softies? If you're a Wiccan Softie yeah, yea, or
any which there's a there's a ton of different I mean there's also like Santa
and like voodoo, and I don't know much about those at all. For
any of the Breuha listeners out there as well, feel free to give us
a shout for sure. Yeah, that's that's a whole different thing. Yeah,
there's there are a couple of ideologies, and then some people are just
they don't follow an ideology. They just practice. So they'll do like little
spells, which to me I had two for a while, just equate to
like a prayer um or like shadow work or divination, which is like that's
mostly what I do. Is like I don't really I've done like two spells.
I did a love spell on like two people, light as a feather,
stiff as a board. No, I didn't like I wasn't like raising
somebody off the ground. But I did a love spell on two people and
one of them like kind of worked he met someone, but the good luck
chuck spell they're not together anymore. Yeah, it was like it like my
first time saptin. I did a career spell for Taylor, my girlfriend,
and she it was like a money slash career spell the Marine Corps was like
holding on some money and she got a check like the next day. So
damn, there you go. I'm sorry, Are you controlling the American government
with your black magic? Um? No? Unfortunately, if if only man
next step, yeah, sick um. So anyway, she's like a helicopter,
Like people just scale down my helicopter and percy the windows and pull her
out. She got that check out of the Marine Corps, Get her out
of her, get the switch. Anyway, So most of what I do
is shadow work, and shadow work is really it's just like reflection, like
self reflection, honestly, So like meditation is shadow work. Therapy is shadow
work. It comes from I don't know if you guys have heard of this
psychologist m Carl Young Love Carl Young, big car. So you know he
has the I think it's the self maybe the persona and the shadow and shadow
the shadows, like you're subconscious. So shadow work is like just trying to
get in touch with your subconscious. So that could really be anything. That
could be like a long fucking bath where you're just like very purposeful about like
getting in your head. Well, Carl Young too, doesn't he have a
lot of work on the masculine and feminine of each person as well, So
I feel like he's into this. Oh he's definitely because tell you that,
Jake. As soon as he said Carl Young, he perked, Jake can
get to do shrooms this weekend. So this is about as this is.
This is tickling that part of the brain. A lot of the stuff that
he does, like his archetypes feel very related. They feel related to Tarot
and a lot of the Taro archetypes. So I feel like he was secretly
like a witch. Carl Young is a witch. I'm oh yeah. And
like even which I'm gonna interject just a little bit to you, Like Carl
Young also gets into the He kind of plays off the Myers Briggs a little
bit too right, and those archetypes as well, like you the leader the
king archetypes. You have it back. Actually Myers Briggs derived from Young.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, before we go any further about that,
we set the stage, like where history podcasts have we talked about the
topic today, Like what we're getting into, Well, the two were it's
a two part thing. So one is is we're we're doing a little witchcraft
full and she's given a little background on and on her own stuff and also
to row cars in general. But then the other thing we're talking about,
if you want to get to already, is a very famous witch named La
Voisine from the French. If she's French, from France in the seventeenth century,
um, late sixteen hundreds, which was like pretty much the peak of
French power. Louis the sixteenth, the Son or the fourteenth the sun King.
Right, Um, but we don't we don't have to dive into it
right now. I'm just saying for our listeners at home, like this isn't
just a random witch podcast. We're actually gonna cover historical event. Okay,
We're so we're just setting the context. I'm also talking about the history of
witchcraft a little. Yeah. I mean, you're talking about Carl Young,
You're talking about you. You're touching a lot of But I don't think we
actually, like you know, we're not. You're not here for for structure,
Yes, there is no you're here for the rob indigestion after three pirons.
Yeah, you guys, got you guys, maybe you should do a
reading for their relation and ship. Oh god, Well, relationship readings are
kind of long. Ours isn't going to be like super long, It'll be
like a ten. But so what when how did you get it specifically into?
So anyway, so what I do is like mostly shadow work and like
divination, and so divination is like using like tools. It's like more like
using tools to get knowledge. So the Tarot cards is a divination. Um
a little pendulum. I have a pendulum that would be divination. It just
kind of gives you guess, no answers. I guess we do would be
divination, but I do not. Such a wegie board? Fuck that?
Why fuck that? Out of fear? Um? Yeah, I touched a
weiji board when I was twelve and got haunted. So I'm just what do
you mean you got haunted? Is it still around? Is it ghost still
around? No? I did an exorcism, leave me alone? But twelve,
Wait, I think you've actually told me about this like this thing,
Like didn't you have a friend sleeping over and like she said she even saw
this thing, this entity or so my mom like dips her toe into like
witchy stuff and it was like readers who were like, um, what's going
on here? And so my cousin, my mom's cousin really does um.
He just stands mostly and he like, I don't know, there was a
pigeon. We like, let a pigeon fly out a window, take the
spirit away. I don't know what does a Jersey go sound like? Is
it like, hey, Marco, you could pick up the pie? Well,
I never heard it speak. I just like knew that was that was
my that was me going into Jersey guys. Yeah, yeah, I thought
that was like a kicked off of like America's Funny as Comic in the first
like episode. Oh yeah, because I'm Rob and I always throw it down
under the bus, even though he sets up the whole fucking podcast. Right,
Well, we're getting like a little bit of grass there. Maybe you
two need to get a little sage cleans out shop up some stage. Yea
lady and well lady in the trampoline of stage? Is lady in the tramping
a line of anything meeting nose in the middle. Yeah, it's just going
on opposite. It's a little line in your nose with the straws cut or
the dollar. They just get intertwined, like I think you just ends in
an Eskimo kiss. Yeah, that's yeah. Oh, I'm sorry, that's
probably offensive anounce to you. I don't think it. Probably it actually is
they fucking hate that it's kids? Sorry, I actually I probably like that.
Probably. Yeah, I never thought about that. Stop saying that.
I'm not saying it often. I don't mean to jump in more too.
I'm really excited about this, if you can't tell. I thought it was
interesting. You know, you're talking about toolwork as well and using different tools
like am in the cards. I thought it was just like a really you
know, I don't necessarily know how far I buy into like are the cards
really telling me something? But I do think it's an extremely useful tool in
like externalizing things so that you can see yourself better. I think so too.
So I think even if you don't believe in it, um, you
could still get a lot of value out of a reading because it's going to
bring So let me a little bit about the cards. So there are seventy
eight cards and it consists of like two kind of mini decks. The minor
Arcana is similar to a deck of playing cards. It goes as through King,
but there's fourteen of them. Um, there's instead of Jack Queen King
it's page Night Queen King. So there's four face cards instead of three or
guess five if you include ace Um. There's four suits. The suits are
pennacles, wanes, swords, and cups that correspond to the elements. Pennacles
are earth, so that really has to do with the physical world and like
being grounded. Swords are air and that's intellectum. Cups are water, so
it's your emotions and which one am I missing. Swans are fire, which
is passion. So there's the four suits, and then there's another the major
Arcana. It's twenty two cards. And these are more of those archetypal cards
that we kind of talked about before with young Um. They go from zero
to twenty one. Why they numbered them that way, I don't fucking know.
Oh, you're right. Seven is a kind of magic number. Hum.
Any man would pick up on that sevens of football numbers were it was.
It was insane, just minor change it. How much better the boys
were at girls in grade in like third grade, at literally just multiplying sevens
at the seven times table. Yeah, just that one, Just that one
sticks. That's so far. I kind of like the seven times table.
That was a good one, though, I feel like I don't know some
of them. Sometimes nine go I mean, I don't know it. Yeah,
I just think it was a good time. We really went up to
twelve. We went up to twelve. Yeah, I think some people go
up to fourteen to like show off, you know, like charter schools,
probably home school in mensa only if you're in men can you go up the
Montessori, Yeah, you're fourteen board for multiplication tables. If he went up
to fourteen, you're a bad guy. You're a girl, a bad guy,
a bad bad guy. You're a bad person that would go maybe go
into the school and like, honey, there timetable goes up to fourteen.
I mean, why wouldn't you can't just walk away from that? Maybe they
go to fit now. I just feel like it would be fourteen multiple seven
get what the programs? Yeah? Yeah, double sevens. Anyway, So
the major arcana is the more archetypal cards, and then go from zero through
twenty one, and it's all often called the Fool's Journey. Number zero is
the fool. So he's like, I don't know, the fool, the
jester he sometimes called just like a young lighthearted person and he goes through each
card. He goes through number one, which is the magician, Number two
the High Priestess, and all the way up to twenty one, and like
meets everybody and like learns a lesson from them. Twenty one is the world
and like that at the end, he's like had mastery, he like understands
the world. So anyway, so that's a little bit about the deck um,
and I think with that, maybe we can go ahead and let's light
these candles. Yes, I have here. I have a candle, I
have water, I have a crystal, and I have some It's not sage
because that is endangered. It is like I don't know something else, an
alternative um that I'm in a late and that represents the elements we just talked
about. Fire, water, Earth is the crystal, and the burning of
the sage will be air because it will see the smoke. Okay, just
so it makes it easier on me for the switchboard as I get my reading,
do you and rabble in the switch places real quick? No, she
has a table in front work. Okay, well that's fine, but it
makes me have to go back and forth on the switchboard. But yeah,
that's fine. It's a switch mics. No, no, no, it's
fine, it's the video I'm talking about you. Oh, there is the
light. Yes, these matches are a good light. I never I never
lie with a with a light anymore. That feels like trash. You know,
it's not magical enough. It's not magical enough lighter. The explosion of
a match is extremely like it just feels great. It smells good. Also,
that's like I mean, I guess they both are. But you can
just like see the chemistry more. Yes, that's how I feel too,
And a lot of as we'll talk about in our second part. Uh,
chemistry was if you just knew chemistry, you could basically be like I'm magic.
Well, I mean, and that's what it was. I think I
told you a little bit before Rob that, like I feel like a lot
of like the term which it's because like they were healers, you know,
and so wit, which comes from the word wit. It was a wise
woman with wit like that. Of course, what do we do with it
as a patriarchical society. We turned that into a damning word woman. We
burned the witch. Yeah, we turned it around. Crone comes from the
word crown. It's like you know your cerebral they get mad crone. There's
a funny statistic that while you whip these cards out that women rulers are like
like statistically have been at war more than men, like at a higher rate.
And everyone's like, oh, so were too, And it's actually it's
actually just because like every other country was like, oh, chicks in charge,
let's fuck them up. Yeah. No, they're like, well I
gotta go to war, right, yeah, like let's see we could take
some ship from this chick. And then they're like, well we still are
England and we have a giant armies. Yeah, they were just they were
just playing deef. Didn't work out well for the armada. I couldn't tell
you the overall win loss, but yeah, that was. But regardless,
generally the rule was just like they're like this, you can fuck him up,
all right? Where we huh? All right, so I'm gonna or
I just kind of sit back. No, you don't have to do anything,
can I ask you? M there's three people in here, because are
you like focusing your intent on Dan while drying these cards? Is your energy
towards me? Yeah? I mean I was thinking it was Dan, but
I mean I'm not like our media, So it's not going to be like,
oh, your grandma's talking to me because she's just showed up, Like
yeah, I don't so yeah, but I don't want to know my future.
Like it's too bad, I actually don't. This is actually not that
future. It's a more about like it's going to be more present day.
Um, I don't know. That's even scarier. It's going to be about
your feelings in here needs someone to do. So yeah, scary, I'll
tell you right now, it's going to be a little less scary because you
have, Um, there's definitely a theme of pennacles. We have three pennacles
showing up, so that's the earthly thing. So it might be something about
a job or like a house or something a possession of some sort. Could
even be about like your body, something like that, something physical. That's
what we're talking about. You have the Night of Pennacles. These first two
cards I'm going to read to you are kind of going to inform the rest
of it. And also if something's not making sense to you, you can
I can draw another card to like clarify it. So if you're like,
know this, so you can call them all the what do you do when
you split the cards? What's it called. It's called a split You split
the no no no when like in the Yeah, okay, I don't know
what that means, but sure, so okay, we have the Night of
Panicles. So this is really going to be about I mean, this feels
like it's a career path, like not really a UM job specifically. It
feels more like a career path because it's about passion towards like a career.
And the theme we have here is like um the Sticks of Cups. It's
about kind of nostalgia, but it's appearing in reverse, so it feels like
you are glorifying the past, or you're looking backwards about your career and feeling
passion backwards, feeling like something was better in the past and you like want
to revive that, and you feel like the way to feel fulfilled is like
to look back and like revive what was there instead of like looking forward.
So that's going to be Is this making sense you at all? Well,
it's hard for everybody in the room. I think that hits deep for everybody
here. Cards though. Everyone. Yeah, the cards are feeling that hard.
So the next card we have is kind of like your truth in this
situation has to do with your perception, but like what you have right,
and we have the page of pinnacles, So it feels like the pages of
Pinnacles is kind of like youthful and it's like, I don't know, I
almost want to feel like you, like especially because since we're talking about the
past, it's like you didn't It feels like you're looking back and like you
were like I didn't know enough then, like I didn't know what I didn't
know now, Like I was like like bright eyed and bushytailed and just believed
like what kind of came my way and correct, I would constantly back my
way into success. I had no right being there. Well yeah, I
mean it just feels very like youthful and like innocence. Yeah, it has
like an innocence towards like the field towards or more oblivious. Yeah, I
would say both. Yeah, yeah, but it's just like, um,
I don't know. So it feels like if you feel like you were taking
advantage of or you didn't know enough or whatever, like that feeling is correct.
You were right, that is true, That's what happened. How's that
going so far? Down. So the next card we have is what you
have wrong about the situation. So this is a perception that you don't have
right, and you have the present about the past. Um well, I
mean the card the reading is sort of about the past because it's about nostalgia.
So I am, I don't know, it's about like, it's about
how it's about that you're glorifying the past right now is kind of the theme.
So I'm just going to read the card to you and I don't know,
we can work shop it together and see how it feels. Okay,
we'll feel it out. So we have the Two of Swords appearing in reverse.
So the Two of Swords is all about decisions. I'm gonna I don't
know, is this camera on im? I'll show it because this one's kind
of like visual. Is this it? Like yeah, but you're focused,
so you're gonna miss no. No, I mean just put it right next
to your your face kind of yeah, there you go. Um. I
don't know if they'll be able to see. But so the Two of Swords
it is, I'll describe it. It's a person sitting in front of like
a lake or river, some kind of body of water and they're holding two
swords crossed in front of their body. It's nighttime, the moon is out,
um, and they have a blindfold on. So this card is about
decision. It's about like making decisions, choosing between two things and um being
blindfolded, because your two decisions are like kind of it feels like both of
them are based on like logic. You have your blindfold on, so like
cover it right, we have some imagery going on covered to the water,
which would be your emotions. So you feel like you only have these two
choices. But because you have your blindfoldwn, you're not looking around you.
You're not seeing what it is. So that's what you have like wrong here
to feel like whatever choice you've made or whatever, like if there was like
a fork in the road, or like you felt like you were kind of
like trapped to something like, it's because you were only looking at like one
or you are looking at only like one option, one path or maybe two,
but you're not considering like all parts of you. So that's what you
have wrong. Like there's an emotional aspect that you're kind of ignoring here,
and probably I would do need good to look into that. I folded tells
at a gym for six months. I think I think we're good. Well,
okay, um, the next card is what you need to work on
from within, and I feel like I'm having a little bit of trouble reading
this one what it means in the context. So hold on, I'm gonna
consult my notes. I always have them with me because I'm a new which
um. But we have the ten of Pinnacles and it's typically about um,
wait before you go on, do you also look up YouTube videos whenever you're
in need, like to add to your notes, Like whenever I don't know
anything in video or audio, I go to YouTube. Oh, I did
a lot of YouTube. So I usually just use my notebook, like because
this is like it's all my handwritten notes, um, and it feels personal
to me. But I used a lot of YouTube when I was like trying
to learn. You can learn anything on YouTube. See Ultimate Universe. It
was, I mean, and I like a cross reference. It was like
a lot of anyway. So this card is typically about like it has to
do with like generations and generational wealth. But this is what you need to
work on from within yourself. So I just want to make sure I'm not
missing anything here and showing up up right. Yeah, please don't miss the
general wealth. Well, I think what it's what it means is that your
girlfriend's general dad is gonna steal gold from the government once the once society collapses,
and you will be a warlord prince in the feudal state of Kansas.
I'm down. Yeah, sounds good to me, Duke of Kansas. Yeah,
okay, So I am taking in a little bit of what I know
about you here. Um to read this card too, Yeah, you do
know a little bit about me compared to like the average. Yeah, but
I'm not I'm not trying to do like trickery. I'm just there are cards
here and I'm reading them and you don't know how to read them, and
I do, like you can believe it or not, like I believe you
let her read for you, but it's helping me to interpret it that I
know you anyway. So I said generational wealth, but it could also be
long term financial Stevens. So this is saying what you need to look at
like work on from within, so like personal like journey inside journey. I'm
thinking what this probably means for you is you need to like kind of focus
on your future a little bit more and like not so much in being the
here and now with your money and your financial situations like you need it's like
time to start like thinking ahead of planning ahead, like not what like emptying
out your four to one k, like decisions like that are probably done it
twice, quit this podcast. Stop being poor. That's what the cards are
telling you. Essentially stop gambling on Coastal Carolina on Wednesday. Yeah yeah,
I didn't even think about gambling a sport, um, but I feel like
that's what it's wanting you to do, is wanting to reckon that with yourself.
Um, you know, and start thinking long term with your finances and
stop like thinking, you know now is fine, now was enough, But
you did just get paid but your bookie, I just got paid on that.
But maybe it's time to get out while you're ahead. Nah, never
don't leave the table when you're hot, Jake. Actually, the next card
is literally telling you to get out of gamp like, um, it's the
overturned table card, it's the bust card. The next I mean it mightn't
be about gambling, you can decide, But the next card is the tower,
which is it's pretty ominous to look at. I will talk. This
is also in mind too. The tower is freaky looking, it's it's very
It really kind of visually reminds me of nine to eleven. There is a
burning building. There are people jumping out of it, like it's not wasn't
the tower like a McConaughey movie that was just terrible dark dark tower? That's
right? Yeah, so um yeah it's dark, there's fire everywhere. Um.
What it means is well, okay, what it means is endings,
right, it means and this is this isn't the position that it's like,
it's what it wants you to work on outside of yourself, and it means
you need to end something something. And it's like usually that there's like a
building up to this moment. Like I've been told, I've always been nervous
when I when the girl who taught me to read, I was always like,
what if the tower comes up? I don't want to tell someone that,
And she's like, they're gonna know what it's about. Like, don't
like put that on yourself. They're gonna know what it's about. So the
tower has to do with endings, and it's like usually that there's a build
up, and it's like once you're ready to like move on from whatever this
thing is, it just like feels like it's gambling to me. But whatever
it's like it it'll it needs to be destroyed like so much that you can't
go back to it, like it can't be like, oh but maybe I'll
just like back up, like no, it's dead, it's gone, and
like that's what it wants you to do. To like end something with no
backsies, you have to kill something. Yeah, well I just started a
new job. Gambling is just never gonna go away. I'm sorry, So
my apology, Kylie. Uh, I'm sorry to find it out this way.
The options are either I guess, gambling or this podcast or like creating
see how you have your blindfold on with these swords though, where you've just
limited it to two things like I'm kidding. Um, please don't tell me,
Kylie. It's it's not about love, like there's no there's no indication
like you, it's it's a very hateful relationship I have then what with with
whatever I need to end? Um, Well, it's just it's not saying
that it's hateful, it's just saying that it needs to end. I'm gambling
gambling, probably is it? I mean, And like with the tower,
like it does come with like pain usually, so like it's probably gonna be
like hard for you to end whatever the thing is, but like you have
to do it for what it's worth. Every time I get one of these
readings, I assume it's gonna be like, stop having dreams, get a
normal job. Oh, I thought you when you go to sleep at night
having dreams. I was like, there's no card for that brass hoop or
whatever the or golden ring. Yeah, stop thinking your special Yeah, grow
up love, I love that from an esoteric card deck. You think it's
gonna tell you be real man, get a grip? Okay, growed?
Yeah, here, let's take I can leave these out. You should take
a picture of it. Sorry, I don't know. Let's take a picture
of this and we can put it up on I don't know, Instagram.
Yeah, some people can see Jay Dance future. Yeah. I hope that
somehow someone gleans your social security number from that. They will, they'll figure
it out. Yeah, some Chinese bought account will gotta thank you. Do
you want to get it? Yeah, got a picture of it, so
that dance. So what do you what do you? What do you think?
The overall thing was he needs to move. It feels like you need
to like stop being a little like fuck boy with your money, Like you're
a fun boy to your money, is what I feel like, and it
wants you to stop. Yeah that's start saving money for my taxes because ten
ninety nine. But oh man, we got fucked in the ass. I'm
getting that phone next year. I'm trying to keep it on under the table
though, so we'll see how that goes. Also, got a little video
of you lighting the candle and all that too. Oh oh that's a good
pick. Yeah that's good. That'll be like cool on Instagram. Oh for
sure. Oh man, the tower really is just so terrified. Get this
could have been anybody. This could have been you, Jake, but you,
but it would have been interpreted. But it would have been interpreted differently
for me too. Yeah, maybe it shows up upside down. And so
I think this is a point and I'm gonna let I'm gonna let you finish.
But this is the point. I mean, man's playing to you know,
But this is the point that I was trying to make. Is that
therapy is really hard hard for people to do a lot of times because it
is just you and another person and you're having to bring up all of these
things. You're it's really hard to be an objective observer of your own self,
right, And so these kind of tools it allows. It's kind of
like a little kickstart into thinking, Like it allows you to externalize some things
and observe them from an objective point of view instead of you know, like
just starting from nothing. Yeah, right, exactly. It's very much a
prompt. It's a type of thing where for me, the way I would
interpret that is it's easier sometimes to find the truth through like some satirical setup
rather than just literally saying it or be forced to say it, you know,
using an analogy or something like that. Oh yeah, it's that.
It's that type of thing ASoP fables wouldn't have been good if it was like
this crow was greedy with cheese and like, you know, be greedy with
your cheese. Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a living parable, right
So yeah, yeah, and that's why I the same thing that, Like,
I think it's helpful, like even if you don't put any stock to
it, if you're gonna be really a grumpist about it and be like no,
no, that's not true. Like then okay, go find yourself then
why you're getting a reading. But like if you want to put any stock
into it, I do think it can be like valuable for people because you're
gonna just find and I mean it's a you're gonna find what you need to
find. It's gonna like bring up for you what you need it to bring
up. And so this is like kind of how I like pray. I
guess like if I'm like really stressed out, I will like draw some cards
for myself and be like, Okay, this one I needed to. But
you know, it's the same shit ladies to tell you in a different way,
Yeah, I mean they tell you what you know. They don't tell
you anything you don't know. I mean, And that's why I don't like
to read a future position cards and like some people do, there is like
a reading. It's just like a three card reading that's like this is your
past, your present, and your future. And I don't really like to
do that one because I don't know, I just don't put as much credence
into that as I do into like let's talk about what's going on gree Ghosts
are supposed to tell you your past, your president, not a witch,
and it's on Christmas, wrong holiday. Yeah, yeah, I think just
kind of speaking into what you're talking about as well. It's like that's kind
of like what spells and like divination and stuff does It may not be that
you're I think people look for a lot of very concrete stuff when they're to
get out of these things, and it's really like what in life is so
concrete anyway? Right? But it's setting your it's allowing you to set your
intention in a different way than you normally do. And it kind of breaks
up that moan nott Andy of like I want to be better, but it's
like what if you can't even like do this little thing. It's like a
little practice of like okay, I'm at least putting it into reality in some
way, like I'm doing some sort of ritual yea, in order to kickstart
that process again. Because if you just say I want to be better,
then what are you doing? Yeah? It forces you to think, yeah,
there's no wrong way. It's not really a wrong way to do that
everything lest you're just like going out and killing a dog. You know,
you just go out and kill a neighbors dog like this is it? Now?
I know I can be better today. Well, yeah, you can
always be better than killing a dog. Yeah. So if you gets you
kick started, Yeah, if you didn't just doing the worst thing. Yeah,
I said the bar real looad today. So I'm gonna be better.
I'm gonna be better than Yeah, I didn't kill a dog, so I'm
already up one. All right, speaking of killing innocent things, let's jump
let's jump into our historical topic here. Yes, uh, the famed.
Today we're talks. Thank you, Veronica, you are doing this for us.
This is really cool, very much. It ain't no thing, you
know. I have the switchboard, I have the audio and now I'm we're
thinking, and that's a bad place for me to. Oh, I know
you hate thinking. I'm sorry. I just need to be on autopilot at
all times. It actually it begs you to feel a little bit too,
not just think. I know you like that. Even last you just see
the stank on his face when he told the feel God, I know it's
okay, we all so it sometimes Dan Dan is not even I was gonna
say secret softy but not even really like my tiny terrified dog. Jack loves
Dan, sure loves Dan. I know if he can see into he sees
into Dan's soul. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I see that
with Dan, You're harmless really pretty much. Um but all right, So
today, in honor of our quasi witch guest uh and Spooky Month slash Halloween
horr Month, we are talking about one of the most famous can we can
we do it? Like? It's a monster truck rallyweed Horror Month. Gravedigger.
That is the best monster truck, Grave Digger. He's the He's the
goat. He's who's the goat monster truck. It's gotta be great Digger.
That's the only one I know. Yeah, that's why he's the best.
It just like crushes like old Corolla. It's like a it's like a Chrysler
Corsica Sunday Sunday Sunday. Like it's like the equivalent of like putting a bear
in a ring with like a bunch of like baby monkeys and you just watch
it rip them to shreds. And this is just the And it's supposed to
clear the cars, but never never want to clear the car. You don't
go to Evil Can Evel to watch him clear the cars. You can go
to a watch watch a monster truck to it. You don't think anyone goes
to an Evil Can like anybody that does the Red Bull stunts or anything.
You go there to see them die. Kind of, Well, that's part
of the Lords that they don't make it over. You don't know what's going
to happen. So I think they're making it over to the other side.
Man wire, you're just hoping he falls. No, but it's there.
I've got to be honest. I think this must be how Dan fell lower
talking about Carl Young because I am blacking out right now. We'll get it,
we'll get into the Witch. So this is, uh, hysterically,
this is how how much I into this. This week, I just googled.
I was with Veronica. We were doing a little like pre production meeting
on Thursday whenever, and I was like, I'll find a witch. Let's
talk about a witch. Talk about a cool witch. And I googled,
like, literally just like famous Witches cool which sounds like a really bad reality
show, The cool Wich. It sounds like Disney show. Yeah, like
a kid's show. It's like Sabrina the teen like that vibe too cool for
seventh grade? If like Sabrina the teenage Witch made like varsity cheerleading, or
that's cool the New Sabrina the Chilling Tales of Sabrina, where she was supposed
to be like a cool witch, but it was like she ended up just
working for Satan. Anyway, that was a weird Joe, I go,
I go on like a twenty minute of tangent about that fucking show. Let's
talk about this witch. Yeah, so this is one of the most famous
witches in history, but you probably haven't heard of her because I I hadn't
heard of her. And if I hadn't heard of it, I know Robin
knows everything. Ye I you know, if you're like me and you dive
down a lot of Wikipedia holes, this is I feel like this is something
I would have known. But so anyway, her name, her actual name
is Catherine Monvoisin. I believe Monvoisin. Maybe you pronounced the end. I
think usually it's mon voice man voice in Man. She's cursing you both from
hell right now. Her name, she was known as lo Voisin, and
she is uh basically one of the most famous which is of all time,
seventeenth century clear French which abortionist love that for her? Yeah, and fortune
teller who was supposedly responsible for the deaths of somewhere between a thousand and twenty
five hundred people. It was a thousand confirmed, thousand confirmed and I think
estimated. Yeah, because what did they do to her? So she was
you'll find out she was super in to poison as well, made poison for
a lot of people. Yeah, she loved Dy's hair metal. Yes,
No, she didn't celebrate Michaels. Um. Let's just say the way she
went out was if she had to pick one of those suits, it would
have been the want. Yeah. Yeah, Um, she did a lot
of stuff. She performed black masses using infant blood. Was eventually was eventually
burned at the steak for a lot of stuff. Obviously it sounds like she
hadn't coming. What was she wearing? Did she look good at her burning?
What do you wear it your drunk? Wasn't that hot? She was
drunk? She was a noted alcoholic, noted alcoholic in fact, I get
I'll get this later, but essentially, when when she was eventually imprisoned instead
of torturing her, which they were legally allowed to do, not like legally
loudly you can just torture anyone, like before there was a country. Some
magistrate wrote like a torture order, like, yep, a torture is good
for her. Yeah, good, you were good torturing. Yet oh my
god, they didn't end up torturing her because they just got her ship faced
okay, and just she would just they gave her like unlimited alcohol and then
just got her to say kind of torture. Well, it feunds like she
was tortured on her own, honestly, like she had a lot of inner
torment. Yeah, she this woman was basically a mafia witch. Like sick
she was. She's sound besides the baby killings, she's like sounds pretty badass
so far. She has parts of things that I assume people would identify as
badass and other parts of things where it's just like, oh no, you're
a murderer. Besides, the killing of a baby might be the biggest hand
wave I've ever heard in my life too, that a little baby killing thing.
Well we're talking about the abortion, No, no, I'm talking about
like the pulled it out and then killed it. Well, how much.
The abortions. I'm like, thank you, Queen women's rights. Love this
seventeenth what year was she from? Seventeenth centuries? The sixteen hundreds? And
I love this the seventeenth century feminist icon. Do those abortions, the baby
the live baby killings. It's like you're making her party look bad. How
often do you restock on baby blood for your ritual? Oh? You know,
I'm not sure. Is that like a once a year thing a refrigerator.
You gotta get it from the right. You don't, is what I'm
saying. Oh no, that's how you get baby blood. By the baby
blood. There's a whole section on baby blood witchcraft, like learned how to
you know, they don't know how to refrigerate stuff. Not in the sixteen
hundre witches. It's nature based. It's based on nature winter. You know,
she had a better baby blood supply than you just fly in. And
this is not like they're good witches. Are bad witches, you know,
right, like the Wizard of the Wizard of Us taught you that, Yeah,
this is the one that you want to crush with the house, right,
Yeah, big time? Was she green Man? Her picture she looks
like she should be green. Yeah, she is be lady. She looks
like a nun. She does. She is. I think everyone kind of
dressed like that. But yeah, she is very nunnish in her appearance.
Um, she was on what's weird is her pick man? Like? She
was only forty years old when she died, but this picture makes her look
like sixty five. Everyone like this is a good story picture. It's not
good. Well, she was only this little man. She looked way older.
This isn't a forty year old woman. Like, that's okay, but
it looks like is that the dark lord behind her? Yeah? I don't
know. It's some kind of weird of the morning. Yeah, all right.
So anyway, her the way her story began is actually both interesting and
pretty funny. So she married a jeweler in Paris. Her husband his name
is not even worth knowing because this guy, I said, wrote this later
like maybe one of history's great cooks. Yeah. Love Song's husband's like by
like truly this I he's like he's like Jerry and Parks and wreck like he
is just constantly shot upon. Oh no, it's by her, by every
by the world. So he's a jeweler, marries her goes bankrupt and as
far as I can tell, like just never gets a job again. So
she in his immediate bankruptcy is like, I'll make money. And so she
was fairly well educated. Um worked as a midwife, which led to her
giving abortions. Um, and she was also she learned how to tell fortunes
at the age of nine, so she started like doing that for profit instead
of just ships and gigs. Yeah, um so really, what this is,
Veronica, is an intervention to tell you you're heading down stop? Yeah,
no, I will just say to clear the air. The like only
rule in uh like wick is harmed. So she wasn't awakened, It wasn't
true some other kind of witch, like very many Catholic priest did not live
up to her vows. Apparently. Um so she was doing fortune telling for
a profit too. But she was a midwife and started doing abortions and apparently
became like one of the go to abortionists for the Royal French Court. Yeah,
there can't be that many, more than you would think. I think
basic Why don't they do abortions back then? Yeah, I didn't look that
up, but I feel like I wish I knew it would be like inducing
a miscarriage with like a drug, Penny Royals morning after one of the ways
you can induce what Penny royalty. Do you think there are more doctors,
I don't know, Penny royalty, Penny royalty, royal royal, and then
t's penny Royal. Um, I'll have to look that up, you guys.
Can you made it like it was Earl Gray? Like I was like,
I'm sorry, what it's mean's not good for the baby. So you
know it's a kind of herb that can drink a lake of tea. And
I will tell you, well, so at this point in history, it's
a sixteen, like sixties or seventies at this point, Like they're pretty good
at making poisonous things. Yeah, so there's more many a way to induce
a miscarriage, I would assume so. But that's basically how she was doing
it as far as I know. Um. Anyway, she was such a
prominent abortionist for the Royal court of Louis the fourteenth the son king arguably like
the height of the French royalty, the Bourbon dynasty, what Bourbon Street is
named for and all that stuff. Um, she was so prominent. So
she was so prominent in giving abortions for them that when after she went down,
Louis the fourteenth was like, don't look into that part, Like to
the cops, it was like, no, you don't need to look into
that. It's fine. So damn yeah. Yeah, the pardoning that she
got, huh, just for that, just for that, well after she
was burned alive. Oh so what do you mean don't look into it?
She did, Yeah, because it was on him, because all abortion roads
led back to Louis the fourteenth. Okay, dirty, uh and that's eventually
what kind of brings her down is Louis the fourteenth dick dick Yeah, yeah,
well and her own kind of idiocy. But yeah, it's essentially it
all goes back to Louis the fourteenth fucks too much and she got dragged into
it. So, okay, is she doing real baby murders or is this
the seventeenth century Westboro Baptist Church saying when you did so, the killing babies
doesn't have to do with the abortions. Okay, it is separate. It
is the killing baby thing is specifically the black Mass stuff. And according to
uh, I'm kind of jumping around a little bit, but according to the
many priests and of the Black Masses, that she performed or was part of
performing, because she was actually not the priest. She'd set it up,
but she wasn't like, okay, the priest of the Black Mass priests.
Yeah, well it was matt and doing the right. But she would have
been a priestess and she was not. She was not. She was denied
that patriarchy. She was just she just trying to find the patriarchy. You
know. Well, she could have been the table. She might have been
the table on the altar. The altars for the Black Masses were humans.
A naked woman. Okay, she probably wasn't that. I feel like that
seems to like not that I'm not a taball. Yeah, she's above tabling.
She was like, bitch, I'm not a you're a table ball.
But essentially all the priests gave a very similar account of how it went and
what they what they could figure out for sure. They think it was either
they bled a baby but didn't kill it, killed the baby, or or
she was like, oh, your baby died, Can I have it?
I need it for something. What are you gonna do with that corpse?
It's kind of it's kind of shitty the priests have said, or like the
testimony made it sound like there were live babies involved. Not potentially every time,
but there were times that live babies were involved. I will say if
I had lost a child and then someone said, hey, do you want
to donate your child to this research? I was like, yeah, sure,
you know if it helps the world. It's like, yeah, help
one guy. He wants to make a pact with the devil in my baby?
Right, yeah, no, I'd be like, no, I don't
think so. I mean, but I feel like they were all kinds of
fun up back then. Oh sure, Like what were they doing with the
babies anyway? Burying them? A lot of baby graves if you go if
you go to a if you go to a cemetery from around that time,
it's just a it's a baby grave fest. Really, to be fair,
can I have the dead baby is much better than killing a baby? Well,
yeah, I agree with that. So when I said that's it's not
that bad in comparison to cutting a baby, my most recent context was she
killed babies. Sorry, no one, no one listening to this podcast could
cancel you. Maybe like three years you're like, fuckab um, so,
like I said, apparently her husband just stopped working. She went into this
like full time, her fortune telling. Her fortune telling let her down a
dark magical path um. And one of the things that stood out to me
was she could read a client's future essentially by like reading their face and hands,
so she kind of knew what they wanted or knew what they wanted to
hear, yeah, or could be like you know, she's just a body
language expect exactly. And she said she could do it by reading their face
and reading yeah yeah, which I said that it was like you wear you
must work in the fields, and you know some guy's hands are just like
broken the ship. So yeah, four fingers on this one. Yes.
To be honest, I kind of feel like that was probably pretty impressive at
that point, like where nobody was like talking about anything and they were just
like, how did you know? It was sad once, like how did
you know? Oh fu? Yeah, Like the amount of I think the
only like one of the main things that's probably changed when people that and now
is just the sheer amount of skepticism. Yeah, yeah, true, because
the people that she went to or that went to her, I should say,
we're pretty much like like very into it, not even like you know
Dan or or like when I go to Jackson Square back in the day,
like shit face and I'm like, tell mee, I love that shit.
In New Orleans too, you just walk up to an amateur fortune tell like,
I'll give you ten bucks. Yeah, they're like like these people come
like please, please, you must help me. I'm in love and I
like. So. One of the things was she eventually figured out that,
um, almost everyone that came to her was either wanted love or someone to
die. Yeah, those are the two things that we all want. Two
things you need. Yeah, so what else is there? Some asshold a
job please, And nobody was like, oh, I just wish my career
would work out, Like that wasn't happening. I just want this raise on
this mud farm, goddamn it, Like yeah, make my way up the
corporate ladder, like that wasn't happening. So like, yeah, they're just
pushing plows the entire time. Yeah, everyone's got a job in seventeenth century
for Yeah, you just happened to be a poop smith. Sorry, you
have to shovel the king's shit. Sorry, more often than not, you're
a shit shoveler. Yeah, in one way or another. Absolutely. And
she was smart too, because because she was a fortune teller instead. I
the more I hear, the more I Likeneur. I love her. I
love that it's very aside from the infant, aside from the infant sacrifice.
She more or less plays out like a seventeenth century like tony soprano, Like
she sounds other than the baby. It's the best hand wave ever. But
they're already dead. Well, well, if they're already bit of a a
little bit of bee from what I can gather, you know, you get
a good batch, you get a ball, a little bit of that.
You making another one. Uh well, it's a little harder back then to
make a baby sound like they were pushing out like ten or eleven because they're
Yeah, they didn't have years of like birth control rotting their ter eye.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure like nine percent of the women died in childbirth.
No one had a moment. People had a twentieth century invention moms. Moms
were just recently invented. Yeah, it was just a mean drunk dad.
You were raised by a horse. I don't know, uh that you just
brush cried into its main but all right, so she was she was smart
there like one thing you would each she realized quickly one like I said that
people showed up either being like kill this person with your magic or make me
fall in love or give me love or so she realized that, and so
she started catering to that by making love potions out of like legitimately like which
stuff supplying to man, human blood, male teeth, toad bones. Whoa
this is like I was reading this and I was like, this is just
cliche level, like yeah, get it together. Moll teeth is harder to
come across than dead babies, like I find a multie. And she was
a big She was a big operation. So like she had to have like
a mole clubber, Oh my god. Outside she had an Amazon like go
club moles, shum jewels, gonna get a job, go club moles these
club and moles bird talents. Out in the field. She just had an
assembly line yeah of clubbers bros. Wait a like a hole like like a
yeah environment, yes, m she would Also she realized very quickly that people
liked her more if she basically spooked up her office. Oh that's like what
I wore my like black thing because I was like, I want to look
spooky. Yeah, she made it. She made her her dress. Better
word spooky, it's called Brandon. Yeah. Branding and marketing is the most
modern. If she was, if she wasn't slitting the throats of infants,
this woman would be a feminist icon. Yes, she'd be like the Steve
Jobs of like appling up whatever, the appling of something. She built.
She built an empire, she really did. And and this she really just
kept doing this stuff for a while, and she got more into like love
potions and would make aphrodisiacts and that type of stuff. Oh, I wonder
what was in those. I didn't give the recipe for that. Unfortunately,
m she got super rich and famous, and that's how she became known.
And she was in Paris, right, so she was in the center of
France. She sounds amazing. I'm sorry, like I just god, that
life. Oh she's just like living it up in Paris with her like husband
who was a jeweler, and then like being a little witch. It just
sounds great. Gets better, Oh, who does it get better? So
she becomes essentially, like I said, famous in the court of Louis the
fourteenth which is based as far as I know, uh, like the best
French royal court of all time. Like that was the peak of the height
of France's power was under Louis the fourteenth. Yeah, French corp. He
was known as the Sun King. He built Versailles. I want to say,
do you so? Yeah? Like he was a ball um love wass
in. Also, this is where it comes back into the cuck thing he
was. This the husband was not a cuck for being a jobless, mole
clubber. He was also cucked because love was held six lovers aside from her
husband, A little chef's kiss there. Yeah, I love her. Her
lovers included a noted executioner, Yes you gotta have him, I know it.
Yeah, an alchemist and a magician. And I think this magician is
like a magician magician, not like a Vegas magician. You know what.
I like the boy version of her. Yes, yeah, um. At
one point, what like Merlin, Yeah like Merlin, Like she's fucking like
French Merlin. Yeah, it's actually yeah, so I mean she this woman
is is doing it all at one point, her poor husband. At one
point her uh love lessons magician lover Adam Lesage tries to convince her to just
poison her husband, and I didn't give a reason, so just presumably because
he was like worthless, and he was like, just kill him, come
on, just kill this guy. Is he is never This is the only
other time her husban been Yeah, it's never mentioned. He loses his job,
she has to take over the finances, and then the guy she's fucking
openly wants to poison it. Why what would the motive be? It sounds
like she's setting all the standards too. Four witches? So was it an
apple she used? Do you think? Well? It gets sadder? What's
his name? Lost the history? I didn't even put it in because I
didn't think it was. His name is Antoine mon Blesson. At least she
took his name, right, She did take his name man, No,
no he didn't. She took his name and made it hers. Yeah,
she stole his stole his name. It's gonna be me. So at first,
love Lesson was like, yeah, I might as well poison him,
Like what who cares about this guy? Like he's pretty worthless? And then
she just changed her mind, So I like have to think she like saw
him do something pathetic and was just like, that's just it would just be
cruel to murder him in cold blood, Like I can't be any Misonary really
struggling with Hill. It doesn't Yeah, she kept fucking the six other guys
like that didn't stop. Yeah, well polyamorous, she was just ahead of
her time. Were very behind it. And no, maybe she's like it
was like a Tommy relationship and success she was polyamorous. I'm not sure so
much what he was able to get away with, considering death was always around
the corner. I'm not sleeping with someone that's married to a known poisoner,
right, Like that doesn't seem like a good done. She was a good
lay back in the day, yes, fu Yeah dude, which shit,
Yeah, there's no way everybody else is just doing missionary. Yeah she's no
more. Yeah. Well, first off, she's French too, so they're
weird already. And then she's which is even weird. I mean she's she'll
do anything. Yeah, you get what if she was just like, why
don't you show me your magic for once? M I'm weird all day.
I can't do this on the skooky shit. I just she's actually just the
worst lay Yes, I think the chance of that is small. I think
she was probably fantastic and bed I agree with I agree with that. I
would hope um so love lesson she did, you know, a lot of
stuff. She became a very prominent poisoner, a lot of potions and stuff.
But her big money maker was the black mass oh oh and the part
that yeah, this is what she and so essentially it was this whole fucked
up ritual and had an altar that was a naked lady made in a table
shape, you know, gym class or something or what you would you have
to like stand like a table. What do you do with the naked lady
after the ceremony? A lot of times get stressed. Not always, but
a lot of times the naked altar lady was the person making the wish.
That sounds right. That's kind of a contort. It was not always women
making the wishes or anything, but often to enhance the effectiveness, I guess
it would be a woman. Women are more magical, Well, it would
be the woman who wanted it. Specifically, the woman making the wish would
be the Yeah. But I feel like like women are like intrigue and mystery
and men are like not yeah, yeah, yeah, it has everything to
do with genitals. On's just like, oh there it is, like yeah,
maybe so that's that's probably where it came from here, right, there's
no necessary to the male genitals. Nope, that's something. But I do
feel like women are more I don't know, witchy, I mean yeah,
yeah, I mean I agree with that. Yeah, I told well,
I've said this before, A little tangent here. I don't think that racial
or gender profiling is ever right unless you're in New Orleans looking for a tarot
reading, because the last person you want is like some white guy named Roy.
I got a table over here, Like at the very least that I'll
say, you will make me yeah. Otherwise it's like it's like going to
a sushi restaurant and it's a white guy, or is anybody but an Asian?
Like you want a specific character to chiscer Dan, you know these characters.
He's a characteristic he is one. You know, some people are better
at certain things than others. I don't agree with that. With cooking,
I think they do. It's the aesthetics that you're looking. I'm barely dark
enough to give your Italian it works. Yeah, but here's the thing though,
The woman is the number one thing. Yeah, oh, gender is
I would rap, Yeah, gender is first for me. I'd rather get
the reading from a woman than a man. Yeah, but you don't want
like a blonde woman. You don't want like Britney Snow giving you know you
aren't reading shit. I mean I'd be thrilled to sit down Britney Snow for
like five minutes. Yeah, but yeah, not for not for that thing
that you like, uh humor someone who looks like Britney Snow Like she's like,
oh my god, I know I can I read them for you.
And you're like, whatever keeps me in the room with you, it's fucking
great. Um yeah. But yeah. So but when I'm like going into
Jackson Square shit faced at you know, one in the morning, I'm looking
for easily the most voodoo person I can find to give me the And that's
why, I mean, you're just falling for the same ship that Lavoissan did.
She was like, I'm an make it look witchier and yes, And
meanwhile, like Todd Stevens is in the corner like this bullshit, I am
psychic and no one is coming to me. Yeah. The guy the guy
just like the milktoast white dude. He's like, I got struck by lightning
in a graveyard. I don't know how to convey that with a look.
Uh actually ironically a very blond man. I feel I could be like pale,
like you're not gonna get a good No, good news comes from that
mad viking white like Scandinavia. Yeah, like his eyes. I'm just picturing
like a slender man now, Like I feel like that guy and do it.
Yeah, but I don't want to know that that guy doesn't have deliver
good news. He speaks in whispers and he doesn't blink. Yeah, yeah,
it's red eyes, like it's not you don't You don't want an albino
giving you news. You don't have much longer. Sorry, an albino listener,
We do apologize, you know, I'm willing to lose that listener.
Yeah. I look, I don't have anything against albinos, but they're terrible
for the crops. For the crop yeah, never, it's never a good
sign and to the harvest. When an albino walks into the much feel a
little mean. No, it's we're getting a little mean. I am sorry.
It is. By the way, I always say this, people don't
give south Park enough credit for creating Ginger hate. That was not a thing
before that episode. I swear to God, no, it wasn't like it
became no south Park of I don't get much credence to people saying South Park
is like evil usually but man after that so people were like Gingers day Walker,
like yeah, So anyway, UM, don't do that with Albino's soft
core history listeners. We have no problems with We are as influential as we
know um as park Um all right, so love wa son um. During
the mass, supposedly the ritual the black mask, suppose the ritual was a
baby was held above a bull on the altar. The bulls on the altar,
and that was a naked lady, and blood from the baby was poured
into the bull. They don't know if it was living baby that they killed,
a living baby, that they just got a little blood out of a
dead baby that she got either from an abortion or just a regular miscarriage during
her midwifing, or one that she sent her husband to go gather in a
wagon like just goes. I heard a couple of babies died a town over
go get go get them, go get them. Yeah, go get dying
fashion moles. Go grab a couple of babies. However, um sorry,
um yeah, all right. So love Lassans was doing all this very famous,
very popular, especially with the court of Louis the fourteenth. Her biggest
and most important client client was yeah, I mean they're clients was the Madame
Madame de Montes. Uh, Louis the fourteenth's main side piece for a little
while. She had seven of his kids. Wow, was not his wife.
That's quite as his favorite. That's his girlfriend. Well or they had
sex seven times after six. I feel like she's more than just a side
piece, as my people would. Well, he never had Kumba, he
never had a main piece. Kumar Kumar, Yeah, a friend, right,
Kumar and Mario and you jump on his head you do? Yeah?
Um So this uh Madame de MONTESPM was like weirdly obsessed with King Louis.
Um the king that it's a king and the father just like that Kang.
Yeah. So Louie Louie was I mean Louie Louie fucked just everything he could
see, but she was in love with him, would do anything to keep
him so like keep him like at least like be his like main in the
stable of like yeah, I don't think she had any yeah yeah, yeah,
none of that. But she was like I want to still be like
the favorite, sleeping in the king bed everyone like most of the nights.
So she had multiple black masses performed to make sure that she stayed in his
favor um for at least one of the black masses, she was the altar
herself, so that what with the baby blood was kind of poured on.
It's kind of fun to me because it was just like they're like, I
don't I don't know, it's not working, Like maybe you be the altar
this time. I don't know, Like let's switch it up. Yeah we
could get like we could get like that girl from town again. I know
she needs the money, but like, I don't know, you try you
try it this time and that might work better. But how long these ceremonies
are that you're in like tabletop position? A mean, oh is it hands
and knees? I was picturing it is backwards. It's backwards in the pure
there's there's drawings of it and it's like backwards. Yeah, that's what I
was picturing, like tabletop, like gymnastics at gem Boree. Yes, that's
what it is. How long do you have to maintain that position until the
devil shows up? Okay, all right, they probably had an awesome core
ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, to be fair, it is weird. Actually
probably did have an awesome core, which, if anything, maybe that's what
kept Louis interested longer. Yeah. Yeah, the craft works a mysterious way.
That's like the misinterpreting magic. It's like the Black Masters are working,
but she's just like getting super toned. Did they care about that? No?
Not, Actually they liked a fatty. She was the original. I
don't know if they were if they were definitely fatty. He's like a couple
centuries before. Honestly, like I probably would have been thriving and this like
just like a little like fifteen to lose, you know, I feel like
that's the Yeah, I mean here in kidding me, I'm my skin color.
I would have who would have been not white, not white, pale
white, yeahostly white field hands. Yeah. People would have seen Dan and
been like, I'm sorry, is all the wheat collected? What are you
doing? Are gonna get you whipped? Like? Um? So she was
doing stuff for her the Black Masses for Malta Span to uh, you know,
try and keep Louis interested, but yeah, that wasn't working. So
eventually Lava Sun made an aphrodisiac for her to drug the king with and she
put it in there and the King's thing, but I think that just made
him like fuck some other chick a bunch, yeah him less horny back.
Yeah, it backfired completely and at some point Manta Span literally just told the
king. She was like, if you leave me, I'm going to have
you killed. And the King was like lol and just like kept sucking other
the one other woman in particular, whose name I forget, not really important.
So Montspon goes back to lave Lesson and it's like, I need you
to poison King Louis the fourteenth, the most powerful king in the history of
France, and also the chick he's banging. And she should have left it
at the chick he's banging. I'll be honest, that was her be I
think it would. She would have been like why not just kill just kill
the girl? Yeah, just keep killing all his girlfriends, right, And
here's the crazy thing. Untas been never suspected. What never suspected. Why,
wow, I don't know. That is so dumb. Do you think
she had to register her poison like gun control? H No, poisons when
we're very unready. Although what's weird is poison was like a thriving industry,
like not like not even like a black market, Like it would be easier
to get poison to kill someone with them, based on how I was reading
this stuff than it would be to just get like cocaine today. Dan,
Yeah, um, that's why I feel like it's taking the already dead baby.
Wasn't that bad at the time? Sure? No, at the time.
A lot of death if they're just like slinging poison. You just want,
you want to stand for love? Wasson very bad. I do.
I stand her. I stand her so hard. She could be a Halloween
costume one year for you. You just said she's like the ugliest woman you've
ever can make it like hot, I don't know hot, ugliest woman.
That's just a great one to explain at a party, will worry, Well,
I'm like a better looking version of this really famous witch you've never heard
of. Let me tell you about it. Yeah, yeah, I think,
which is just how you go with that I mean people, yeah,
you just be a witch. Just be a witch. Fair enough. Um.
So at first, love Was Scene is like, I don't know,
man, that's the king. Uh. And finally but the woman convinced her
to do it, so love Usen was down. One of love Was Scene's
main associates was like, all right, this is a bad idea. Please
don't do this, and she was like no, I'm gonna do it.
And he's like okay, and he tried to slap together a fortune, like
like a fake one. Yeah, like fake out but yeah, to fake
out and me like, oh see, it's telling you it's bad. And
she was like I know, she's like half real it best. Yeah,
yeah I'm doing it. And I think so obviously like even if you're just
banging the king, you're rich, you know what I mean, She's not
like this wasn't like some like yeah yeah, so this is like a noble
woman. So people are getting paid, yeah quite a bit. So they
poisoned like this petition because you could just come petition the king on certain days
and they poisoned this like paper petition. But there were so many petitioners that
the king is like fucking not today because he could do what everyone and confuse
the king. Um so eventually nothing comes of it. They're gonna plan another
one, but another witch. Also, somebody probably died touching that paper.
No one did die touching it. They had it burned. Um ok,
yeah they safely were probably very safe. Is very green. Yeah yeah,
they just gave it to her husband. Toss this out. Yeah, hey,
Antoine, throw in the throws in the garbage. Should I wear gloves?
I don't care? Figure it out? Yeah. Um so, But
in the meantime, like I said, poison was easier to get than in
the like sixteen seventies sixteen eighties France. Then cocaine is now in the United
States of America, So like she wasn't operating for like necessarily that long killed
two thousand people or helped kill two thousand people. A hit man, she
didn't kill him. Yeah, she was like she the weapons dealer. Essentially,
Oh yes, I told you she's the mafia witch. Right, So
essentially what happens is, uh, some other which slash poison dealer gets arrested
for poisoning another royal and this witch rolls over on love lesson we got snitch,
Yeah, breaking the witch code she's like this so this, which is
like you don't know the fucking half of it. When she gets arrested and
they're like how many poison as I that, She's like they're everywhere, like
yeah, she's like the whole fucking city, and so they eventually and she
she's like, you think I'm bad, Like, I know, bitch tried
to kill the king. Oh girl, Yeah, that feels unnecessary rolled over.
It feels like she could have like just snitched less aggressively. You know,
she was trying to I mean, she was shooting her shot. I
get it. You gotta avoid getting burned at the steaks. What I feel
like, you got to slow play the information released just to live longer,
right, yeah, you just show your cards, right, prolong? It's
worth mentioning. As we said earlier, torture is legal. Yeah, maybe
you let it all out at once then yeah, yeah, torture is legal.
Like yeah, like there's no like what kind of torture. Torture got
to have some cards in your back pocket. A man torture, I would
squeal like a pig bad, like like it's never fun, so bad,
the worst torture. But she was a torture. I think would be torture
kinks? Would she had her kinks? I don't think those were the kinks.
Yeah, it's never getting stretched in half. Yeah, like her only
kink was like torturing her husband. Really was it her getting tortured? She
was just getting a missionary like we said, she like, it's I was
weird all days. Just let me lay down. You do the work.
You're a magician, Adam, you do it, make it magical. Yeah.
Um so love Wasson gets arrested, goes to jail. They're legally down
there, legally legally allowed to torture her. They getting order like a judge
like writes it like it's a warrant, like literally one torture kind right up.
Yeah, Like I need to touch it on the witch. And they're
like the witches good, it's been so much fun just pulling the shit out
of your ass, Like, oh, we gotta torture a witch to the
world like you at the just like you've got torture a witch. Yeah,
there's another witch to torch. You get tome from work. He's like he's
pleasing us, so many witches to touch my hand, goes home to his
wife. He's just like I don't know if I got it in me anymore.
And then she puts his wife, he's tired, can't fuck her,
and she puts an afrodisiac from a witch in his drink, and it comes
full circle. It's a vicious cycle. Yeah. And that's the other thing
too, is it was so prevalent in Paris at the time that like these
women were like bold about it. You would think, like, oh,
witches have to hide. They were going like door to it like a shop.
Yeah, like a little apothecary. Yeah, it was a to carry
alchemist type thing um. And they would even get to investigate sometimes. La
Boston was like, uh, she had to testify before the Sorbonne the university
to like some professors, to like explain herself. And she would It wasn't
like fully black magic. Like she would sometimes be like, you need to
go to this church and ask the saint what's up? Kind of the same
way, yeah, okay with kind of with the Toureau cards and and like
you said, with your altar, you have like a virgin marry one,
you know what I mean. It was mixed. It wasn't just like reject
Jesus, right, it was it was more just like just doing what feels
right. Yes, embrace what there's value and any god you think of there's
value. Yeah. Embrace the energy like I'm I'm gonna embrace where the energy
is pointing. Yeah. Uh So anyway, they're authorized, they're they're authorized
to torture, like I said earlier. But they decided to just get her
ship face and said because she's a bit. She's a huge alcoholic. Um
you'd have to be with all the baby killings. Yeah, she just likes
the fucking party. I mean she sounds like she might. So another thing
she really I mentioned earlier she also like pretty much hosted nightly parties at her
place for the Royalty of France. Jesus Christ. She is an icon socialite.
She's a socialize. There would be like violin music, which was like,
I mean having a violin, Yeah, ariana grinddey playing every night at
your house. This person knows an instruments. It's a pretty big so,
I mean people would be like you in love with ends to night, you
gonna be there, there's a violin us there. It's like, but dude,
all right, But if she asked me if I have a pregnant wife
again, I'm gonna lose it, like I just want to have a good
time. Yeah, I mean imagine back then, just seeing somebody throw powder
into a stew and causing like a chemical reaction. That had to be Yeah,
it must have been pretty mind blowing when you don't know about like anything.
Yeah, I'm mind blown. But when iPhone has cool new shit,
yeah, I'm like, fuck is it twenty eighty? I was thinking of
that. Did you guys in science class? Did your teachers ever make like
elephant toothpaste? Yeah, that experiment, it's like, ye, all the
time the thing that you put like its foam gets created. Yeah. No,
if you could impress eight year olds with it, now you could impress
adult humans with it. Because remember how much that ship blew your mind?
Or even when you put your your your soapy finger into a thing of salts
or a pepper and it like goes spread it you're like wow, yeah,
still a little bit. I'm like wow, Well, we all grew up
right before the era when you could just look anything up at any time,
right, Yeah, so it was so we're basically them, Yeah, we
all really, that's I mean, what is the difference between us and then
if the Internet never got invented, I'd be handed over infants to anyone who
could promise me a fortune. If You're never happened, we wouldn't be doing
this right now, that's really true. You could be on the radio.
Yeah I don't sound like this all the time. Welcome back to the Black
Mass. I'm rab box. And but yeah, so she was also hosted
like parties like every night, and I mean she was super popular, so
anyway better she went on trial. They found her guilty in like two days.
She was sentenced to be burned at the steak. Then they tortured her
between the trial and the sentence. Let's just even get anything else out of
her. So then they tortured her. Supposedly they're varying accounts. What kind
of torture they didn't say, but I imagine in that day it's a lot
of like burning, cutting, you know, I hate that. For her,
it wasn't great, and she was apparently quite terrified when they tied to
the steak, kicking like the hay away, like pretty bring me to the
fire. Yeah, it was essentially she was not like the fire can't hurt
me, the devil's coming like that. She was like, no, this
is gonna hurt bad. It's one of the worst ways to die. Yeah.
Yeah, there's so many bad ways. All of them are pretty bad.
Fire's got to be top five. Although the apparently you suffcate before you
you yeah, sucked out of your lungs. Yeah, it sounds better.
It's not your skin still feel your feet? Oh yeah, it's awful.
It's you're dead before your horse. The worst one. The worst one is
in the Spanish Inquisition when they would just drop you in boiling oil. They're
deep for you. Oh my god. What about the Brown's bowl or the
bronze bowl. That's actually not real. That's been to bunk. That was
made for an exhibit, So that's something. There would be a bowl made
of metal and they would put it over hot coals. They'll put you in
it, and they'd put you in it, and they'd roast you inside of
it and it would melt and this you would melt inside of it, and
smoke would come out of the nose and people would make these groans. You
bully, you have to ruin that for me. It's not real. I
don't think it was ever used. I hate I mean bowl bul Yes,
bronze bowl or brass bowl whatever. Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Sounds terrific, though, why I just mm, the thing that was
always the worst didn't have no movies back then. Yeah, nothing to go
do. I know? It's really true how comfortable people were with like live
people getting hurt. Do you know. Uh. The actor Christopher Lee,
he's in a bunch of stuff. He was like the bad wizard in the
in the second Lord of the Rings movie. He's in a million movies.
Stopped speaking nerd to me. I don't know, and you have coming from
the fucking witch that just showed up, Like, I guess that's actually more
scary than oh right. Christopher Lee is a famous actor. He died not
that long ago. He was in the Star Wars movies. Tous Count Dooku
in the Star Wars movies. Uh, when he was seventeen. When he
was seventeen, Uh, he witnessed a guillotine beheading in Paris, no way
and not like a not like a big one where a thousand people were in
the square. He was just like walking down the street and like, oh,
we were killing the criminal real quick. Wait, And it's like the
nineteen thirties. Yeah, yeah, they didn't get rid of the guillotine for
a while. I'm pretty sure you could hang somebody in Delaware until like nineteen.
I feel guillotine is like not that bad compared to a lot of these
very quick yeah, although there are horror stories about the guillotine where working well
where you people would want to be first because the blade would dull. Yeah,
so they'd have to do it like two, three times on the last
guy, yeah, one more, Yeah, just hanging on by a thread
came in mind. Love Lesson was this was pre guillotine, I believe.
But love Lesson was having sex with an executioner as well. So I've didn't
this bitch poison herself before that that's the thing. She didn't have access to
the poise, but she had access to alcohol. Just drink yourself to death.
I feel like she could have quickly concocted some kind of painless poison to
just kill herself. Didn't have like a cyanide pill. Well, she also
had like she could have hung herself too. This is honestly, this is
her only fault, so that she didn't poison herself before. Maybe she wanted
just the full witch experience. I was, she just wanted ironic, don't
you think, Yeah, well you need is poison. But yeah, that
is the story of Lovelessen, one of the most famous witches who ever lived.
She had one child, Marguerite momssen Um. That child eventually, uh
testified because she also went to jail because she was part of the little witch
mafia too. Of course that King louise Um side piece, main piece,
whatever you want to call it, was involved in a plot to poison King
Louis. Yeah, and anyway, nothing ever suld happen to that girl.
So that girl, Marguerite like went on to have like babies and we don't
know and like her descendants are among the Oh I meant the woman who tried
to kill Louis that got love was seen killed. Nothing ever happened to her.
She died an old woman, happy and healthy. Um. Yeah,
and she actually rumor has it was part of the testifying, like part of
the counsel against the Yeah, against the witch. Right, Yeah, that
is not even right. Yeah, but that is a story of you know,
people alway think of which is as a Puritan situation, I'm an American
situation, yeah, or basically Joan of arc but like yeah, which in
sixteen eighties sixteen seventies France, France, like witchcraft was a booming business.
I love it me too, mostly involved poison a ken a full Ambrams thoughts
thoughts, Daniel, Well, I didn't prepare it for this podcast, Rob,
so I was fully expecting the Salem witch trials. You prepared by bringing
the equipment. Yeah, you're always prepared. Yeah the way. Um,
I will say, I think I mentioned it in the beginning of the podcast.
We'll say, I think it's an interesting topic. I love talking about.
I really like the front end of this. I always think, you
know, this kind of stuff is really cool. To thank you again Bronica
for doing terrible reading. I enjoyed that quite a b I think, you
know, if there's some digital reading anyone wants to get into, there's a
plethora of stuff. UM, definitely dive into some Carl Young. I think
that, yeah, it's like, well he's a one of the big psychologists.
And then look up love us in because as far as all the topics
goes, it's probably the one I did the least well because I knew that
we would have less time, like the least detail than you would have less
time than than than usual because we're doing the reading as well. So I
definitely read more up on her. She is quite the fucking character. Her
poor husband, I don't want more clubb Wow, maybe he was into it.
He might have been all right well to LV you know, yeah,
to love Les and Veronica. Any final thoughts, um no, I mean,
that's not what I do, but just that you stand love less,
I do stand. But yeah, I mean I feel like I feel like
I should just go ahead and say that if somebody's into what she should,
they're not into baby murder, you know, don't discriminate, don't hate.
But it's very peaceful. It is very peaceful in her theme. I mean,
after just listening to all this, I feel like she said the standard
for what it meant. Maybe you think maybe she's why it's scary. I
think so. I think probably there's a huge scandal at the time, So
one of the reasons that King Louis covered up the abortion stuff and because he
was, like, I like, he was already surrounded by scandals because of
her and all the other witches tied to his board, so he was like,
I can't have this shit, Like just he just seems like a little
He seems like a fun boy. Wasn't he built Versailles? Big fuck boy?
Yeah? I think he built for some let huh so he probably did.
Yeah, he did did before kind of history podcast. You shouldn't say
it if it's wrong. Yeah, all the bastard children he had, they
probably built it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Louis the fourteenth was the
first one. Anyway, great design skills that Louie. Well, he didn't
design it. He was just like, here's like all the gold in the
world. We just set up shop in America. We got a lot of
new money. Let build some shit. I love it. Yeah, but
yeah, thank you guy, Thank you Veronica for joining us telling me that
I have a gambling problem. You told yourself yourself, just covered it on
your own. And now I feel like I'm gonna go on just like a
bad run if I continue to gamble. So now it's in my head.
The magic was in you the whole time, and that's the magic was the
friends we made along the way. It's always the friends. We mean,
you know, it's weird. The tower is square and the swords were sharp.
What does that mean, rob Wait? Yeah, no, it means
oh sharps and squares. So do we We've been saying this all year long,
like maybe sharp as the new square, like all these there's all these
websites given all out, all this information about who's bet and what. You
think that the you thought that the only way remember that the sword card you
thought the only way. You know, you you thought that those were the
only two ways, the sharps. I don't have to give up gambling.
I have to give up taking the sharp side. Just go square. Yeah,
just do what you think. Wait, that's what you have to give
up doing is being the devil's advocate to everything. Yeah, stopping a contrarian.
Yeah, just go with go with the flow. Let's go with it.
We might have discovered something here. Damn we just made a breakthrough.
Glad to help. I'm also a therapist, So thank you. Yeah,
oh those tarrets. But anyway, thank you Veronica, Uh, thank you
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